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300,000,000 people?! We need immigration reform now!!!
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Siva
2006-10-17 22:44:14 UTC
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The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
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Stan de SD
2006-10-17 23:12:53 UTC
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Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
Of course you will demand that those same Americans leave their money behind
when they are deported.

You commie whores change your rhetoric, but never your stripes.
Siva
2006-10-18 23:17:28 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
Of course you will demand that those same Americans leave their money behind
when they are deported.
False, you can take your money with you (considering you'll need it,
being jobless and all)
Post by Stan de SD
You commie whores change your rhetoric, but never your stripes.
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scroll
2006-10-18 02:14:31 UTC
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Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins
Yugma need outing ?
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-18 04:25:14 UTC
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Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
Since this is our country, we're not going anywhere. As for lazy, I
guess you think anyone who doesn't work 12 hours a day for $10 is lazy,
because you're chump change suckers with no self respect or common
sense.
Siva
2006-10-18 23:16:37 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
Since this is our country, we're not going anywhere.
You don't have to leave; you're welcome to be homeless and live on the
streets after being displaced by a Mexican worker.

If you start bothering people for money, however, we must deport you.
As for lazy, I
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
guess you think anyone who doesn't work 12 hours a day for $10 is lazy,
I've told that many times to my (ex) merkin employees, and they never
got the message.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
because you're chump change suckers with no self respect or common
sense.
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Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-19 08:21:05 UTC
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Post by Siva
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Since this is our country, we're not going anywhere.
You don't have to leave; you're welcome to be homeless and live on the
streets after being displaced by a Mexican worker.
Yeah, well in Los Angeles unemployed young black men are starting to
shoot you. That's what happens when you not only rob people but have
the arrogance to brag about it.
Post by Siva
If you start bothering people for money, however, we must deport you.
Where do you get off thinking native born Americans should be sent any
where else?
Post by Siva
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
guess you think anyone who doesn't work 12 hours a day for $10 is lazy,
I've told that many times to my (ex) merkin employees, and they never got the message.
The American employers who use and exploit you know you're stupid or
they wouldn't be able to get away with it.
Post by Siva
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
because you're chump change suckers with no self respect or common sense.
No answer to this one huh?
GatherNoMoss
2006-10-18 12:20:02 UTC
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Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
Hardworking ? That lie spread by American hating Liberals.

If the Mexicans are so hardworking why are they living in mud houses.
They don't even have the motivation to dig a sewage system. Instead
most of them throw
their shit out a rear window to feed their chickens.

There isn't anyone alive that can dispute the fact that if it weren't
for the white man, the rest of humanity would still be living like
freaking monkeys in the forest....the most advance technology on the
planet would be twigs used to pull termites out of holes in the ground.
DiViDeD
2006-10-18 19:53:15 UTC
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Post by GatherNoMoss
Post by Siva
The country is getting too crowded. Need to start deporting (lazy)
white merkins to make room for more hardworking, undocumented Mexican
immigrants.
Hardworking ? That lie spread by American hating Liberals.
If the Mexicans are so hardworking why are they living in mud houses.
They don't even have the motivation to dig a sewage system. Instead
most of them throw
their shit out a rear window to feed their chickens.
That's right, and the US is the only country in the world with flushing
toilets and electricity.
Mud huts?
No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico?
Prat
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Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-18 21:50:01 UTC
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That's right, and the US is the only country in the world with flushing toilets and electricity.
Mud huts? No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico? Prat
We know there are toilets in Mexico. But what percentage of the
population has them?
Larry in AZ
2006-10-18 22:19:13 UTC
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Homeless Capital of the U.S."
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Post by DiViDeD
That's right, and the US is the only country in the world with flushing
toilets and electricity. Mud huts? No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico? Prat
We know there are toilets in Mexico. But what percentage of the
population has them?
Within what distance..?
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Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-18 22:59:41 UTC
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Post by DiViDeD
Mud huts?
No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico?
MANY of the ones who risk their lives to come here
via the desert are indeed living in that kind of
abject poverty.

God knows - they aren't risking life and limb to
flee from well-paying jobs and 21st century technology.
Ramon F Herrera
2006-10-18 23:18:20 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by DiViDeD
Mud huts?
No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico?
MANY of the ones who risk their lives to come here
via the desert are indeed living in that kind of
abject poverty.
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico. The reason they cross is the pay
differential.

-Ramon
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-19 00:06:57 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico. The reason they cross is the pay
differential.
YOU may think they're living the high-life, but
that's just because you border bigots tend to be
dirt poor yourself.

Meanwhile, this year was a 10-year bumper crop.
But did dirt poor border-bigots sign up to pick it?
No, of course not.
So the food just rotted in the fields.

When it was up to our Guest Workers to pick it - we
got the food. But since you guys did such a
marvelous job of keeping them from work - spinach
became a health hazard instead of a food source.
Graphic Queen
2006-10-19 00:17:55 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico. The reason they cross is the pay
differential.
YOU may think they're living the high-life, but
that's just because you border bigots tend to be
dirt poor yourself.
Meanwhile, this year was a 10-year bumper crop.
But did dirt poor border-bigots sign up to pick it?
No, of course not.
So the food just rotted in the fields.
When it was up to our Guest Workers to pick it - we
got the food. But since you guys did such a
marvelous job of keeping them from work - spinach
became a health hazard instead of a food source.
So much BS and out and out LIES. You are jealous and nothing else. You
are jealous of the fact that most of us who patrol the border are
retired and not poor. In fact, most are more well off than the bigots
like you.
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-19 08:27:49 UTC
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YOU may think they're living the high-life, but that's just because you border bigots tend >to be dirt poor yourself.
And you know anything about the people posting here how? They don't
write like they're dirt poor, since dirt poor usually means uneducated.
Meanwhile, this year was a 10-year bumper crop. But did dirt poor border-bigots sign up
to pick it? No, of course not. So the food just rotted in the fields.
I havn't heard about food "rotting in the fields" in central
California, but if any of it did it would
be because the illegals don't want to do farm work anymore. They want
the jobs of poor Americans.
When it was up to our Guest Workers to pick it - we got the food. But since you guys did >such a marvelous job of keeping them from work - spinach became a health hazard instead >of a food source.
Do try to know what you're posting about. Spinach became a health
hazard because it got shit on, not because it was sent to market
spoiled.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-19 08:51:45 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
YOU may think they're living the high-life, but that's just because you border bigots tend >to be dirt poor yourself.
And you know anything about the people posting here how? They don't
write like they're dirt poor, since dirt poor usually means uneducated.
That, too.
Ignorant, uneducatable, drunken bigots are
unemployable for a very good reason. They have no
worth.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Meanwhile, this year was a 10-year bumper crop. But did dirt poor border-bigots sign up
to pick it? No, of course not. So the food just rotted in the fields.
I havn't heard about food "rotting in the fields" in central
California, but if any of it did it would
be because the illegals don't want to do farm work anymore. They want
the jobs of poor Americans.
Blah, blah, blah.
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-20 12:09:24 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
I havn't heard about food "rotting in the fields" in central California, but if any of it did it would
be because the illegals don't want to do farm work anymore. They want the jobs of poor Americans.
Blah, blah, blah.
No other answer for this? You do know that CA has way more illegals
than Texas, right? Why don't you come over here and see what your
state will be like in another 5-10 years.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-20 16:33:57 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
No other answer for this? You do know that CA has way more illegals
than Texas, right? Why don't you come over here and see what your
state will be like in another 5-10 years.
There's a reason for that. Here in Texas we welcome
them with open arms. We taxpayers even setup little
kiosks and shelters and watering stations to make it
easier for them to come here.

Once they find work, getting legal is pretty simple
- so that's what many of them do.
GatherNoMoss
2006-10-20 18:08:56 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
YOU may think they're living the high-life, but
that's just because you border bigots tend to be
dirt poor yourself.
If we've dirt poor in this country why are letting more in ?
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Meanwhile, this year was a 10-year bumper crop.
But did dirt poor border-bigots sign up to pick it?
No, of course not.
So the food just rotted in the fields.
Why don't you go pick it ?

Plenty Americans would be glad to pick veggies if they can make a
living at it.
Post by Sanders Kaufman
But since you guys did such a
marvelous job of keeping them from work - spinach
became a health hazard instead of a food source.
What ? Hey Sanders just make shit up to help you smear Americans.

Quite frankly I don't care if your fat ass goes unfeed.
I don't care if the food rots in the field.

NO MORE IMMIGRATION. And kick out the ones we have
Graphic Queen
2006-10-20 18:26:31 UTC
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Post by GatherNoMoss
Post by Sanders Kaufman
YOU may think they're living the high-life, but
that's just because you border bigots tend to be
dirt poor yourself.
If we've dirt poor in this country why are letting more in ?
Sanders is just jealous of all of the people who are retired and was
able to retire and actually still travel and such. These are things he
wish he could do but he has to work to make those payments on his
trailer.
Post by GatherNoMoss
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Meanwhile, this year was a 10-year bumper crop.
But did dirt poor border-bigots sign up to pick it?
No, of course not.
So the food just rotted in the fields.
Why don't you go pick it ?
He likes living on SSI.
Post by GatherNoMoss
Plenty Americans would be glad to pick veggies if they can make a
living at it.
Not Sanders. he would rather collect SSI for sitting around and
playing on the net with taxpayer money that he has no right to.
Post by GatherNoMoss
Post by Sanders Kaufman
But since you guys did such a
marvelous job of keeping them from work - spinach
became a health hazard instead of a food source.
What ? Hey Sanders just make shit up to help you smear Americans.
He won't admit to the fact that it was those illegals he loves so much
that caused the problem with the spinach.
Post by GatherNoMoss
Quite frankly I don't care if your fat ass goes unfeed.
I don't care if the food rots in the field.
Unfortunately he sits on his fat ass collecting SSI.
Post by GatherNoMoss
NO MORE IMMIGRATION. And kick out the ones we have
You bet and we should stop making payments to people like Sanders
since they haven't even worked to have a right to collect.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-20 18:33:17 UTC
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Post by GatherNoMoss
Post by Sanders Kaufman
YOU may think they're living the high-life, but
that's just because you border bigots tend to be
dirt poor yourself.
If we've dirt poor in this country why are letting more in ?
Because labor CREATES wealth.
Post by GatherNoMoss
Quite frankly I don't care if your fat ass goes unfeed.
I don't care if the food rots in the field.
NO MORE IMMIGRATION. And kick out the ones we have
Too bad for you, your ignorance and cowardice have
left you too impotent to do that.
Graphic Queen
2006-10-19 00:16:47 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by DiViDeD
Mud huts?
No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico?
MANY of the ones who risk their lives to come here
via the desert are indeed living in that kind of
abject poverty.
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico. The reason they cross is the pay
differential.
-Ramon
For the most part you finally posted some truth. But, and this is a
big but...some poverty stricken illegals do indeed use a coyote. Of
course they are virtual prisoners until they pay the coyote off.
Siva
2006-10-19 00:24:43 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by DiViDeD
Mud huts?
No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico?
MANY of the ones who risk their lives to come here
via the desert are indeed living in that kind of
abject poverty.
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico. The reason they cross is the pay
differential.
Then more power to 'em. If they're marketable enough to beat out a lazy
white merkin for the job, then they should take it.

That's what free enterprise is all about.
Post by Ramon F Herrera
-Ramon
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Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-19 00:48:14 UTC
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Post by Siva
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico.
Then that's even more reason to deport them.
Post by Siva
Then more power to 'em. If they're marketable enough to beat out a lazy
white merkin for the job, then they should take it.
Since we're the ones who created a society where good paying jobs
exist, that would prove that we're far from lazy. You work for shit
wages because you're stupid, and your stupidity and criminal activity
is ruining our country. Oh, and by the way, I guess you don't mind if
Central Americans take Mexican jobs then.
Post by Siva
That's what free enterprise is all about.
Free enterprise isn't about tresspassing and stealing. So fuck off and
die. You have no right to take what doesn't belong to you and wreck
someone else's country.
Siva
2006-10-19 01:01:51 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Siva
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
fence had decent jobs in Mexico.
Then that's even more reason to deport them.
Post by Siva
Then more power to 'em. If they're marketable enough to beat out a lazy
white merkin for the job, then they should take it.
Since we're the ones who created a society where good paying jobs
exist, that would prove that we're far from lazy.
LOL, who's "we"? The good paying jobs were created by global
entrepreneurs (some of which are American), not *you*.

And they're all perfectly happy to hire *anyone* who does great work for
less pay.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
You work for shit
wages because you're stupid, and your stupidity and criminal activity
is ruining our country.
I worked for shit wages once so that I could save up enough money to
live while I worked on getting a higher-paying job.

And I could care less if helping undocumented workers get jobs and
achieve their dreams is illegal/criminal.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Oh, and by the way, I guess you don't mind if
Central Americans take Mexican jobs then.
Nope.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Siva
That's what free enterprise is all about.
Yep.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Free enterprise isn't about tresspassing and stealing.
Right. And being hired isn't "tresspassing", there is no invasion of
private property, and it isn't stealing, because the employer's money
isn't stolen by the worker, it's *earned*.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
So fuck off and
die. You have no right to take what doesn't belong to you and wreck
someone else's country.
I won't "fuck off and die" because I'm marketable, whereas the lazy
white merkins who blame undocumented workers for being more marketable
than them will likely "fuck off and die", due to chronic unemployment.

LOL.
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Allen Crawford
2006-10-19 01:31:45 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Untrue. Those in abject poverty can't even pay the coyote or have the
initiative. Study after study have shown that the ones jumping the
I won't "fuck off and die" because I'm marketable, whereas the lazy white
merkins who blame undocumented workers for being more marketable than them
will likely "fuck off and die", due to chronic unemployment.
LOL.
It's not the White Americans that are always the victims here. Blacks and
Hispanics are victimized by the invasion
of cheap labour. It just happens that Mexicans are the
ones that avail themselves for under the table pay and
any one who is scrupulous enough to evade taxes and
health care will prefer cheaper work. Most have to hire
two Mexicans to one American because of the lower
learning curve and the increased disease factor. But it
still costs less to hire them because they can be booted easily and the flow
of interested unskilled labor from
Mexico is limitless.
Most Americans are adapting by increasing their education level and
procuring better quality jobs and leaving the unskilled arena to the lesser
intelligent Indio -
Meztizo from south of the border.

Oh well, someday the American dream will be available
to multi-millionaires because cheap labor certainly makes it possible. The
economic problem with this is that trickle
down economics will not be as efficient because less tax will be paid
because of the corruption of the system.

Do not expect the average american who lives with fewer
opportunities for a good education to lie down and allow
himself to be deported by intruders to his neighborhood.
Those who are born here are going no where and a
racist like you, who feels that the poorer white person is the cause of your
plight, shows extreme ignorance and is
himself a bigot.

Allen
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Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-19 02:07:49 UTC
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Post by Allen Crawford
It's not the White Americans that are always the victims here. Blacks and
Hispanics are victimized by the invasion
of cheap labour. It just happens that Mexicans are the
ones that avail themselves for under the table pay and
You have the same opportunity.
But since you do not avail yourselves of that
opportunity, you don't enjoy the fruits of such labor.
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-19 08:10:48 UTC
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Post by Allen Crawford
It's not the White Americans that are always the victims here. Blacks and
Hispanics are victimized by the invasion of cheap labour. It just happens that Mexicans >>are the ones that avail themselves for under the table pay and
You have the same opportunity. But since you do not avail yourselves of that
opportunity, you don't enjoy the fruits of such labor.
The same opportunity to work for $3 an hour?? Enjoy living 20 to a
house, and not having any Social Security or disability insurance
because of being expected to work without it?? How dare you? We
shouldn't have to.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-19 08:14:16 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
You have the same opportunity. But since you do not avail yourselves of that
opportunity, you don't enjoy the fruits of such labor.
The same opportunity to work for $3 an hour?? Enjoy living 20 to a
house, and not having any Social Security or disability insurance
because of being expected to work without it?? How dare you? We
shouldn't have to.
I pay my illegal alien workers 5 times that.

Regardless, if you don't like the pay then get
yourself a salable skill. This is the land of
opportunity... but you have to be willing to work
for it.

If you're competing with illegal aliens for jobs -
it's not THEY who are your problem.
Allen Crawford
2006-10-20 01:00:21 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
You have the same opportunity. But since you do not avail yourselves of that
opportunity, you don't enjoy the fruits of such labor.
The same opportunity to work for $3 an hour?? Enjoy living 20 to a
house, and not having any Social Security or disability insurance
because of being expected to work without it?? How dare you? We
shouldn't have to.
I pay my illegal alien workers 5 times that.
Regardless, if you don't like the pay then get yourself a salable skill.
This is the land of opportunity... but you have to be willing to work for
it.
If you're competing with illegal aliens for jobs - it's not THEY who are
your problem.
Surely not! It is lawbreakers as yourself that admit
to hiring and bringing them here by virtue of your so-called oportunity.
BTW, do you give them health care, education advancements, other benefits or
do you send them to leech off the local taxpayer's purse?

I hope you are listed on the "wehireillegals" web site.
You...yes, you are the problem Kaufmann!
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-20 06:06:21 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Regardless, if you don't like the pay then get yourself a salable skill.
This is the land of opportunity... but you have to be willing to work for
it.
If you're competing with illegal aliens for jobs - it's not THEY who are
your problem.
Surely not! It is lawbreakers as yourself that admit
to hiring and bringing them here by virtue of your so-called oportunity.
I don't bring 'em here. In Dallas we have a thing
called "Texas Workforce Commission". It's a state
agency; taxpayer funded; reports to the governor;
yadda, yadda, yadda.

We the people pay for a couple of folks to man it
full time, helping match the folks who SHOW UP to
the various construction and simple service jobs.
Mostly, it's individual homeowners and property
owners who need a few warm bodies.

But when WE THE PEOPLE go there to get day laborers,
we don't see a bunch of border bigots who want to
work. We find maybe 3 old white guys, hungover and
without tools or transportation... and 100 Mexicans
ready to work.

Whenever I go there, I usually pay just under
$100/day ($10-$15/hr)... but I'm just going for
someone to clean my yard or help paint or somesuch.
If they've got *skills*, they can get $20 or $30
with the very few professional contractors that come by.

There's only ONE criteria - ya gotta SHOW UP.
Border bigots just don't SHOW UP. That's why, when
Katrina hit - it was a bunch of Mexicans who SHOWED
UP rebuild NOLA... not the border bigots. And
that's why during this harvest season, the south's
biggest bumper crops in a decade (thank you Katrina)
the fruit just rotted in the fields. Because the
Border Bigot's didn't SHOW UP. (As a vegetarian, I
take that very personally.)

This is the land of milk and money; the land of
opportunity. The American dream is alive. All you
gotta do is.... what? [SHOW UP]
Post by Allen Crawford
BTW, do you give them health care, education advancements, other benefits or
do you send them to leech off the local taxpayer's purse?
BTW - how much in additional taxes are you willing
to pay to stop me... and the State of Texas... from
continuing to do this?

... but seriously. Since I *am* a local taxpayer -
the answer to both of your questions is "yes". And
as an occasional substitute teacher with the local
school district, I appreciate my generosity when I
get paid by myself to take care of their little
rug-rats.


It's really a win-win situation... all you gotta do
is what? [SHOW UP]
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-20 11:46:16 UTC
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Whenever I go there, I usually pay just under $100/day ($10-$15/hr)... but I'm just going for
someone to clean my yard or help paint or somesuch.
That's very generous of you. In Los Angeles they get $7-$10 and many
are abused and ripped off because there are just so very many of them.
Many practically starve on the streets of Los Angeles because they
don't get picked or earn only a few dollars. Eventually many get some
woman from El Salvador or where-ever pregnant and then it's welfare,
food stamps, Medi-Cal (Medicaid in Calif.), WIC, swamped emergency
rooms, vast slums, gangs, crime, domestic violence, graffiti, crowded
schools, high rents, crowded roads and freeways, unlicensed drivers,
and nursing home bills and SSI for crippled gang members and their
victims. It's a matter of when are there too many? That's why we have
<legal> immigration.
If they've got *skills*, they can get $20 or $30 with the very few professional contractors >that come by.
Professional contractors in California are supposed to pay workman's
compensation or the homeowner could be liable. Ones who hire illegals
don't. I don't know what the law is in Texas.
That's why, when Katrina hit - it was a bunch of Mexicans who SHOWED UP rebuild >NOLA... not the border bigots.
I read that a bunch of unemployed Americans (many of them Black) who
were contracted to go to New Orleans to work and were going to be bused
there, cried when they were told they couldn't have the jobs because
they had been given to Mexicans.

And that's why during this harvest season, the south's biggest bumper
crops in a decade (thank you Katrina) the fruit just rotted in the
fields. Because the Border Bigot's didn't SHOW UP. (As a vegetarian, I
take that very personally.)

So let's bring in some temporary workers to pick them. The illegals
don't want that work any more than the Americans do.

<....as an occasional substitute teacher with the local school
district, I appreciate my generosity when I get paid by myself to take
care of their little rug-rats.>

Los Angeles schools are hell holes bursting at the seams. The toilets
are overflowing from junk being stuffed in them and the doors torn off
and all full of graffiti. I don't know how the kids manage; maybe if
they don't want to stand in a line so long they miss half their next
class then they have to hold it in all day or go home to use the
toilet.
It's really a win-win situation... all you gotta do is what? [SHOW UP]
They're doing that all right--everywhere :(
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-20 16:29:03 UTC
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Whenever I go there, I usually pay just under $100/day ($10-$15/hr)... but I'm just going for
someone to clean my yard or help paint or somesuch.
That's very generous of you. In Los Angeles they get $7-$10 and many
are abused and ripped off because there are just so very many of them.
Many practically starve on the streets of Los Angeles because they
don't get picked or earn only a few dollars. Eventually many get some
woman from El Salvador or where-ever pregnant and then it's welfare,
food stamps, Medi-Cal (Medicaid in Calif.), WIC, swamped emergency
rooms, vast slums, gangs, crime, domestic violence, graffiti, crowded
schools, high rents, crowded roads and freeways, unlicensed drivers,
and nursing home bills and SSI for crippled gang members and their
victims. It's a matter of when are there too many? That's why we have
<legal> immigration.
We don't have legal immigration for the Mexicans.
In order for many to come here "legally" they have
to commit a few crimes first - bribery, etc. - on
BOTH sides of the border.

That's why we need a Guest Worker program that
works. We can't STOP the flow, and we can't punish
those who are already here to work - and we
shouldn't. Neither you nor I are willing to vote
ourselves a tax hike to fund such a wasteful and
HUGE bureucracy.

That's why we need to ditch the border-bigots
pie-in-the-sky enforcement-first agenda and focus on
building a system that works.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
If they've got *skills*, they can get $20 or $30 with the very few professional contractors >that come by.
Professional contractors in California are supposed to pay workman's
compensation or the homeowner could be liable. Ones who hire illegals
don't. I don't know what the law is in Texas.
That's only for *employees*. Mexican or American -
they don't have to do that for their day laborers
and contractors.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
I read that a bunch of unemployed Americans (many of them Black) who
were contracted to go to New Orleans to work and were going to be bused
there, cried when they were told they couldn't have the jobs because
they had been given to Mexicans.
Yeah - there's a lot of people with a lot of excuses
why THEY didn't go. But those are just excuses.
All they had to do was SHOW UP.

In fact, there's one fellow on my street - a
drunken, uneducatable, otherwise unemployable
lifelong loser. He took this opportunity to make
something of himself.

He saw the talk about SHOW UP jobs in NOLA just
jumped in his ratty old car, hightailed it to NOLA
and got a job clearing out debris. He came back
with a pocketful of cash, bought himself a lockable
trailer, picked up a couple of Mexicans, and went
back to NOLA to work some more... this time as an
*employer* instead of as an unemployable loser.

He did what most border-bigots cannot bring
themselves to do. He SHOWED UP.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
So let's bring in some temporary workers to pick them. The illegals
don't want that work any more than the Americans do.
Bring em in? How do you bring in people to work
jobs that you say neither wants to do?

The Mexicans have been doing this work for
generations. But this season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Los Angeles schools are hell holes bursting at the seams.
I hear that kind of talk a lot from uneducatable,
unemployable, drunken border bigots.
Apparently - You People don't thrive well in an
academic environment.

So it's really no surprise to see another
uneducatable, unemployable, durnken border bigot
whine about how much they hate public education.

It's really too bad - since education is their best
shot at a better life.
Graphic Queen
2006-10-20 17:52:32 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Whenever I go there, I usually pay just under $100/day ($10-$15/hr)... but I'm just going for
someone to clean my yard or help paint or somesuch.
That's very generous of you. In Los Angeles they get $7-$10 and many
are abused and ripped off because there are just so very many of them.
Many practically starve on the streets of Los Angeles because they
don't get picked or earn only a few dollars. Eventually many get some
woman from El Salvador or where-ever pregnant and then it's welfare,
food stamps, Medi-Cal (Medicaid in Calif.), WIC, swamped emergency
rooms, vast slums, gangs, crime, domestic violence, graffiti, crowded
schools, high rents, crowded roads and freeways, unlicensed drivers,
and nursing home bills and SSI for crippled gang members and their
victims. It's a matter of when are there too many? That's why we have
<legal> immigration.
We don't have legal immigration for the Mexicans.
In order for many to come here "legally" they have
to commit a few crimes first - bribery, etc. - on
BOTH sides of the border.
Showing that they have low morals and why we don't want them.
Post by Sanders Kaufman
That's why we need a Guest Worker program that
works. We can't STOP the flow, and we can't punish
those who are already here to work - and we
shouldn't. Neither you nor I are willing to vote
ourselves a tax hike to fund such a wasteful and
HUGE bureucracy.
That's why we need to ditch the border-bigots
pie-in-the-sky enforcement-first agenda and focus on
building a system that works.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
If they've got *skills*, they can get $20 or $30 with the very few professional contractors >that come by.
Professional contractors in California are supposed to pay workman's
compensation or the homeowner could be liable. Ones who hire illegals
don't. I don't know what the law is in Texas.
That's only for *employees*. Mexican or American -
they don't have to do that for their day laborers
and contractors.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
I read that a bunch of unemployed Americans (many of them Black) who
were contracted to go to New Orleans to work and were going to be bused
there, cried when they were told they couldn't have the jobs because
they had been given to Mexicans.
Yeah - there's a lot of people with a lot of excuses
why THEY didn't go. But those are just excuses.
All they had to do was SHOW UP.
In fact, there's one fellow on my street - a
drunken, uneducatable, otherwise unemployable
lifelong loser. He took this opportunity to make
something of himself.
He saw the talk about SHOW UP jobs in NOLA just
jumped in his ratty old car, hightailed it to NOLA
and got a job clearing out debris. He came back
with a pocketful of cash, bought himself a lockable
trailer, picked up a couple of Mexicans, and went
back to NOLA to work some more... this time as an
*employer* instead of as an unemployable loser.
He did what most border-bigots cannot bring
themselves to do. He SHOWED UP.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
So let's bring in some temporary workers to pick them. The illegals
don't want that work any more than the Americans do.
Bring em in? How do you bring in people to work
jobs that you say neither wants to do?
The Mexicans have been doing this work for
generations. But this season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Los Angeles schools are hell holes bursting at the seams.
I hear that kind of talk a lot from uneducatable,
unemployable, drunken border bigots.
Apparently - You People don't thrive well in an
academic environment.
So it's really no surprise to see another
uneducatable, unemployable, durnken border bigot
whine about how much they hate public education.
It's really too bad - since education is their best
shot at a better life.
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-20 22:01:40 UTC
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

<CHOMP>
That's why we need a Guest Worker program that works. We can't STOP the
flow, and we can't punish those who are already here to work - and we
shouldn't. Neither you nor I are willing to vote ourselves a tax hike
to fund such a wasteful and HUGE bureucracy.
There's no need for any bureaucracy. Let's just find and fine and jail
the unscrupulous employers of illegal aliens. Let their fines pay for
any new programs that are necessary.
--
Who is Thomas Hardman, and Why Should I Vote for Him?
http://www.thomashardman.com/
Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-20 22:18:12 UTC
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Post by T Jr Hardman
There's no need for any bureaucracy. Let's just find and fine and jail
the unscrupulous employers of illegal aliens.
We did - they're frigging *everywhere*.
Post by T Jr Hardman
Let their fines pay for
any new programs that are necessary.
But we don't want to. We like those businesses and
we like the way they do business. Works for them;
works for us; it's a win-win situation.

The only part that needs fixing is for a good guest
worker program so that the government can gather all
the paperwork it likes to play with.
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-21 03:59:47 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
So let's bring in some temporary workers to pick them. The illegals
don't want that work any more than the Americans do.
Bring em in? How do you bring in people to work jobs that you say neither wants to do?
You bring in the ones willing to do farm work.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Los Angeles schools are hell holes bursting at the seams.
I hear that kind of talk a lot from uneducatable, unemployable, drunken border bigots. Apparently-You >don't thrive well in an academic environment. So it's really no surprise to see another uneducatable, >unemployable, durnken border bigot whine about how much they hate public education.
I have a college education and I don't drink. But even if I did, what
does your answer have to do with complaints about what illegals have
done to public school systems? How do you read into it a hatred of
public education? Most people who complain about unlimited third world
immigration do so because they care about public education and don't
want the public schools turned into sewers.
It's really too bad - since education is their best shot at a better life.
They're not going to get a very good education in Los Angeles.
Mexicans themselves complain about that.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-21 17:25:56 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help
picking pecans or to tidy up my yard - 30 Mexicans
crowd around for the opportunity.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
I have a college education and I don't drink. But even if I did, what
does your answer have to do with complaints about what illegals have
done to public school systems? How do you read into it a hatred of
public education? Most people who complain about unlimited third world
immigration do so because they care about public education and don't
want the public schools turned into sewers.
Yeah - You People have been saying that about
foreigners, especially colored ones, for many many
generations.

When I went to school, post Viet Nam, my school was
jampacked full of Viet Namese and Korean refugees.
They weren't the ed-wreckers you say they are.
Indeed - they were MORE motivated than the indigents.

Today, when I substitute teach at Dallas schools, I
see much the same thing - Mexican kids with
attentive parents and a desire to learn.
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
They're not going to get a very good education in Los Angeles.
Mexicans themselves complain about that.
Considering how hostile you are toward them, that's
no surprise.
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-21 22:47:15 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this
season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help picking pecans or to tidy
up my yard - 30 Mexicans crowd around for the opportunity.
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around is
likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off with
violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to prosecute.
--
Who is Thomas Hardman, and Why Should I Vote for Him?
http://www.thomashardman.com/
Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
Defendario
2006-10-21 23:12:44 UTC
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Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this
season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help picking pecans or to
tidy up my yard - 30 Mexicans crowd around for the opportunity.
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around is
likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off with
violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to prosecute.
You have seen this happen in real-life, ToeJam Fascistboi? I smell
bullshit.
Red Sovine
2006-10-21 23:20:53 UTC
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Post by Defendario
ToeJam Fascistboi? I smell
bullshit.
We all do when your stinking cake-hole flies open.
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-22 16:46:52 UTC
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Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this
season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help picking pecans or to
tidy up my yard - 30 Mexicans crowd around for the opportunity.
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around is
likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off with
violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to prosecute.
You have seen this happen in real-life, ToeJam Fascistboi? I smell
bullshit.
Nope. I was homeless at one time, having misjudged the cost of living in
Austin TX when moving there in a hurry ahead of the fuery of winter
settling in on Denver. The InterNet not being in existence, I had no
idea that Austin was one of the most expensive places to live at that
time, and didn't have the money together to even get an efficiency. I
wound up living in a VW Beetle once I prepaid storage and offloaded most
of my life from the car into the lock-closet.

I wound up hanging around a place called H.O.B.O, or "helping our
brothers out", where the City of Austin and County of Travis had taken a
warehouse (or former bus-station, not sure) used at night as a fairly
large-venue show club, and added a waiting room, some small offices,
laundry facilities and showers. Between that and the Salvation Army and
the local charity hospital and public-assistance clinics, it was
possible to live with something approaching dignity, even though homeless.

If you got there early in the morning, 5AM or earlier, you might get a
place close enough to the front of the line that that Texas Employment
Commission man, a fine hardworking fellow named "Sol", might be able to
find some work for you for the day. If that didn't work, you could hang
out in the parking lot hoping someone would come by and hire you. This
being over the winter of 1993/1994, and Austin's winter weather
amounting mostly to rain and more rain, work was fairly scarce and I was
luckier than most, having a working vehicle to get to places outside of
the bus lines.

Hanging out in the parking lot waiting for work, all day every day from
before sunrise til mid-afternoon, for several months, I had ample
opportunity to observe human nature.

Most of the people were indeed pretty much scumdogs in many ways, or
just pretty lame losers, with problems ranging from severe mental
illness to severed alcohol addiction, but there were a lot of folks who
were just passing through, or for whom Austin was their winter-over when
their seasonal migrant labor was done. There were a lot of what I came
to understand as "harvest tramps", not too much different from the Joads
in "Grapes of Wrath".

I made friends with one of the security guards, a Tejano from somewhere
down in the Valley. He had problems of his own, but no criminal record,
and he could play the hell out of a guitar. I learned a couple of things
from him and not all had anything to do with six-strings. He spoke
fluent Spanish and I noticed that he never spoke to the Mexicans other
than to tell them to stop doing something. I asked about that and he
said "most of them are here because they're on the lam in Mexico, or
because they can't afford TB treatments there, and Mexico's cops aren't
telling much to our cops and in Texas TB treatments aren't just free,
they're mandatory after diagnosis. (In the homeless clinic at "the
Sally" there was a poster advising of the dangers of multiple
drug-resistant TB being developed rapidly due to non-completion of the
regime by seasonal border-crossers who were infected.) Tom the Guard
also told about how his family lived right along one of the migration
routes, and the illegals were nothing but trouble because they broke
into sheds, stole things, killed or wounded livestock, and generally
were assholes with no sense of order who mostly didn't give a shit about
anything. Those were pretty much his exact words.

H.O.B.O had a sort of mixed management, in many cases they were the sort
of Texans who are the backbone of Southern Baptism and they might not
think highly of people who are down and out, but they are committed to
doing their Xian duty to bring charity to those who need it. In many
other cases, there were practically-communist leftist latinas who
quickly let you know that as an "anglo" you were allowed into the
facility mostly because the local-government funding wasn't about to
support overt racism in their facilities, especially considering that
the bare majority of people served out of that day-labor center were
"white". Texas being Texas, there was significant self-segregation of
the various groups, with a lot of the white homeless being pretty openly
standoffish (when not actually haetful) to the blacks and the Mexicans.
Most of the "Mexicans" actually were Mexicans from Mexico, with almost
none of them being in the country legally. They were in the minority,
but not by much, and we had a few new faces every day. We also had a lot
of cops cruising through taking pictures, mostly looking for a few
extremely dangerous criminals and they took a few of those out off the
population and in fact off of that facility's property or environs.

When a car showed up to hire, generally the different groups had
different responses. The whites generally gathered around to see who was
offering what work. The blacks would usually stampede over to the car
and form a line behind whoever got there first. The Mexicans would
surround the vehicle and mob it, climbing in the windows, and we used to
scoff at the lack of dignity displayed, because while the other groups
tried to have some semblance of order, when the Mexicans mobbed a
vehicle it looked like a rugby scrum with an oversized ball made in
Detroit. On a few occasions, the biggest Mexican would arrive last, and
some smaller faster guy who had arrived first would be grabbed from
behind and hauled out to the rear, and into the space created, the rest
would crowd. Sometimes this would be repeated until there was a crowd of
smaller people outside a crowd of larger people who would block the
others' access while they carried on their own negotiations.

One time I was over on that side of the building and a truck pulled up
and a white guy inside asked if I wanted a gig tiling a roof. I stuck my
head in the window and said sure, what was he paying and how long was
the job, I had a car and could get there myself, and then one of the
Mexicans crowding behind me pulled out a toothpick and broke it off in
the back of my neck, right as the guy in the truck handed me the
address. I was speedily ejected from the crowd by many hands but managed
to keep the address.

When I sought treatment at the local clinic, they put me on antibiotics
as a precautionary measure because they had no idea what might have been
in the saliva on that toothpick, and I was on those antibiotics for the
better part of my stay in Austin. They were strong antibiotics and
didn't exactly make it any easier for me to work.

In the meantime I spent the hours of the day, after the time it was
clear that nobody would be hiring that day, at the library, and
discovered that the fragments of the comet Shoemaker-Levy would be
slamming into Jupiter at extreme speeds later in the year. I also read
Livy's history of the Roman republic and did some other catch-up on
journals and trades. I wrote a little bit, and managed to get a freebie
membership in the Austin Writer's Guild, which since the days of "O
Henry" had always been rather supportive of the indigent community
whenever they showed the least merit. I installed a copy of the Citadel
BBS (from my PC which was in storage) onto their office PC and showed
them how to network and do primitive e-mail.

Meantime, when not at the library, I was up at the main campus of the
Texas Employment Commission and also UTA, where they had developed
publicly-searchable databases of job-listings. Discussing the matter
with one of the staffers, a UT student, I wondered about whether or not
those database listings could be dumped to text and left available for
dial-up, and then went off to try to sell Sol at the TEC annex at
H.O.B.O on the idea of getting those listings via his computer in his
office. I don't think he ever quite understood me; and in fact right
about then was when the disability folks were interviewing all of the
references I gave them.

So, there I was, some homeless guy who was half-delerious from
antibiotics and a subclinical bone infection at the base of my skull
where some Mexican illegal alien had broken off a toothpick in my neck,
and when the folks from Social Security started nosing around, they were
told that I was running around babbling about something to do with
computers and "modems" (whatever fantasy that might have meant) dialing
other computers to get job listings delivered to the bum corner. Clearly
delusional. I delivered about 20 lines of QBASIC code to the student
staffer at the TEC/UTA office along with a copy of "GremCIT" Citadel BBS
software set-up to dial into the Austin Writer's Guild PC as an example,
and I also installed a copy at the County of Travis outreach office.
Right about then was when the SSA kindly awarded me my disability, and I
bought some new jeans and t-shirts, put the rest of the back-paying
award into car repairs (I needed brakes, a muffler, and a new clutch)
and headed off to the Puget Sound area where I had heard they knew about
computers and modems and "stuff like that". Within 3 months, I was
living in a semi-decent flophouse on the edge of the Puyallup
reservation, eating salmonberries off of the bushes and regaining lost
weight. It turned out that my outrageously long travel to get to the
latitudes where the Van Allen Belt was thickest hadn't been necessary
after all; Shoemaker-Levy did stream into the predicted impact with
Jupiter, and Jupiter didn't ignite into a temporary mini-nova. I
resolved to read less science fiction.

Making some friends, I heard from them that in Whatcom County they were
amazed at the huge number of illegals that were appearing, though in
that part of the country the problem was busloads of people from Hong
Kong who entered from Canada and simply never returned, but the illegals
from Mexico were starting to show up in large numbers; I certainly saw
lots of spanish-speaking people flooding the day-labor corners at the
Seattle waterfront.

Eventually, back in the DC area, I got an incredible earache and tried
to go to a public clinic. I was told that the appointment list was 3
months long, and looking around, I could see why. The waiting room was
full of nothing but pregnant latinas.

Trying to get day-labor work around here, I discovered that nobody was
hiring whites, because "poor whites around here are always crackheads"
and "{blacks} are all junkies". But everyone was full of praise for the
hardworking illegals who were only ever wonderful in all ways.

Through years of personal experience, I have seen how the citizens --
especially the ones most in need of work -- are pushed aside by illegal
aliens, and I have seen how once the illegals get entrenched, they take
over the systems established to help needy citizens. The needy citizens
are still out there, and I'm just trying to "pay it forward". Back when
those systems were still capable of helping citizens as well as illegal
aliens, those systems probably saved my life, especially after some
illegal alien used a toothpick in my neck to infect me with a likely
load of spinal TB. I want those systems to be able to help the citizens,
and they can do that only by excluding the illegal aliens.

Indeed, the citizens -- rich or poor -- of the USA can only be saved by
excluding illegal aliens at the border, and by increasing interior
enforcement under a policy of Verification and Attrition.

And once again, my thanks to the City of Austin and the County of
Travis, and even to the people who were running H.O.B.O, where I guess I
almost invented monster.com and spent a fascinating winter losing 35
pounds while learning more about people than I had ever wanted to know.
--
Be kind to your neighbors
even though they be
transgenic chimerae
Defendario
2006-10-22 17:55:24 UTC
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Post by Defendario
Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this
season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help picking pecans or to
tidy up my yard - 30 Mexicans crowd around for the opportunity.
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around is
likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off with
violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to prosecute.
You have seen this happen in real-life, ToeJam Fascistboi? I smell
bullshit.
Nope. I was homeless at one time,
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>

That's way more information than I need to know.

Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.

;D
Red Sovine
2006-10-22 18:25:49 UTC
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Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Defendario
Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this
season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help picking pecans or to
tidy up my yard - 30 Mexicans crowd around for the opportunity.
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around
is likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off
with violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to
prosecute.
You have seen this happen in real-life, ToeJam Fascistboi? I smell
bullshit.
Nope. I was homeless at one time,
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Unlike YOU he actually had something of value to say.
Defendario
2006-10-22 18:46:02 UTC
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Red Sovine wrote:

<SNIP>
Post by Red Sovine
Unlike YOU he actually had something of value to say.
Bye troll

*PLONK*
Graphic Queen
2006-10-22 19:15:16 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:46:02 -0400, Defendario
Post by Defendario
<SNIP>
Post by Red Sovine
Unlike YOU he actually had something of value to say.
Bye troll
*PLONK*
I love when people like you prove that you can't stand facts.

PLONK to you asswipe.
Red Sovine
2006-10-22 19:33:45 UTC
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Post by Defendario
<SNIP>
Post by Red Sovine
Unlike YOU he actually had something of value to say.
Bye troll
*PLONK*
ESAD useless twat!
red_bikini
2006-10-22 20:27:54 UTC
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It doesn't much matter to me who that 300 million are, their race or
anything. The number scares me. I fear for our environment because of
that mob.
It will turn to 400 million in my lifetime.
That scares me.
The Masseuse
Red Sovine
2006-10-22 21:03:36 UTC
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Post by red_bikini
It doesn't much matter to me who that 300 million are, their race or
anything. The number scares me. I fear for our environment because of
that mob.
It will turn to 400 million in my lifetime.
That scares me.
The Masseuse
Think avian flu...
Paine
2006-10-25 17:50:39 UTC
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Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE problem.
Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world
pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but
nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in
millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY
white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e.,
intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would
be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into
EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I am not talking about a RACE
problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what
kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide
against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives
agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

http://whitakeronline.ORG

--
Post by Red Sovine
Post by Defendario
<SNIP>
Post by Red Sovine
Unlike YOU he actually had something of value to say.
Bye troll
*PLONK*
ESAD useless twat!
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-22 22:12:25 UTC
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Post by Defendario
Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Defendario
Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
The Mexicans have been doing this work for generations. But this
season, they were afraid of
the border bigots.... so the fruit rots on the ground.
I don't know if I buy that as the reason. From what I've read, the
Mexicans and Central Americans already here want construction and other
kinds of work formerly held by Americans.
Yeah, I heard that too - from you.
But when I go to the day labor office for help picking pecans or to
tidy up my yard - 30 Mexicans crowd around for the opportunity.
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around
is likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off
with violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to
prosecute.
You have seen this happen in real-life, ToeJam Fascistboi? I smell
bullshit.
Nope. I was homeless at one time,
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
;D
Not what I was trying to do, troll. You asked if I'd seen this happen in
real life. I said, yes, I saw it. In fact, it happened to me.

It's pretty commonplace.
--
Who is Thomas Hardman, and Why Should I Vote for Him?
http://www.thomashardman.com/
Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak foolishness and remove all doubt.
--Aesop
The more unnatural anything is, the more it is
capable of becoming the object of dismal admiration.
--Thomas Paine, "Age of Reason"
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-23 09:29:26 UTC
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Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-23 12:03:34 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
He doesn't have the time. He was just trolling, and for my own purposes,
I bit as hard as I could.
--
Who is Thomas Hardman, and Why Should I Vote for Him?
http://www.thomashardman.com/
Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
Defendario
2006-10-23 23:31:40 UTC
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Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
He doesn't have the time.
I read every word you wrote, and found it worthless. Besides, I
wouldn't believe a 'Pug like you if you swore on a stack of Bibles.
Post by T Jr Hardman
He was just trolling,
Proof, 'Puggy?
Post by T Jr Hardman
and for my own purposes,
I bit as hard as I could.
Your purpose would be to spread disinformation and anti-immigrant
agitprop, Toe Jam. I have you pegged.

;D
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-24 15:03:06 UTC
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Post by Defendario
Post by T Jr Hardman
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
He doesn't have the time.
I read every word you wrote, and found it worthless. Besides, I
wouldn't believe a 'Pug like you if you swore on a stack of Bibles.
Post by T Jr Hardman
He was just trolling,
Proof, 'Puggy?
Post by T Jr Hardman
and for my own purposes, I bit as hard as I could.
Your purpose would be to spread disinformation and anti-immigrant
agitprop, Toe Jam. I have you pegged.
;D
Oooh, looky, the widdwe twoww iv fo feeeerfome iv he not!
--
Who is Thomas Hardman, and Why Should I Vote for Him?
http://www.thomashardman.com/
Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak foolishness and remove all doubt.
--Aesop
The more unnatural anything is, the more it is
capable of becoming the object of dismal admiration.
--Thomas Paine, "Age of Reason"
Defendario
2006-10-23 23:29:32 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
An anecdote does not constitute a demonstration that Mexicans have
generally "driven them (white Americans) off with violence"

Your belief that it does marks you for an illogical fuktard.

HTH HAND

;D
T Jr Hardman
2006-10-24 15:05:57 UTC
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Post by Defendario
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
An anecdote does not constitute a demonstration that Mexicans have
generally "driven them (white Americans) off with violence"
Your belief that it does marks you for an illogical fuktard.
HTH HAND
;D
But that's not what I was doing. You asked "[y]ou have seen this happen
in real-life," and I said, I not only saw it, it happened to me.

Prove I'm lying, troll. I gave all sorts of background so that anyone
could check facts. Every person, place, name, and incident described is
FACT. Call 'em up and ask 'em. Good luck with that.
--
Who is Thomas Hardman, and Why Should I Vote for Him?
http://www.thomashardman.com/
Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
Paine
2006-10-25 16:24:05 UTC
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Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE problem.
Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world
pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but
nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in
millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY
white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e.,
intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would
be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into
EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I am not talking about a RACE
problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what
kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide
against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives
agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

http://whitakeronline.ORG
Post by Defendario
Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Post by Defendario
<LONG ANECDOTE BINNED>
That's way more information than I need to know.
Your inability do demonstrate that Mexicans have generally "driven them
[white Americans] off with violence" is noted.
He just got done explaining that in great detail. Maybe if you would
have read it instead of "binning" it you would know that.
An anecdote does not constitute a demonstration that Mexicans have
generally "driven them (white Americans) off with violence"
Your belief that it does marks you for an illogical fuktard.
HTH HAND
;D
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-22 03:11:54 UTC
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Post by T Jr Hardman
The reason that you don't have that many Americans crowding around is
likely because illegal aliens from Mexico have driven them off with
violence, which for no good reason, the police refuse to prosecute.
That's a very ignorant supposition.
In fact, there's two attendants from the Texas
Workforce Commission assigned to the day labor
office full-time. Furthermore, while it's open
there's usually a Dallas Cop sitting there in his
car - all to keep things orderly.

You make an interesting point, though. Maybe it's
the cop's presence that scares away the drunken,
ignorant, unemployable, ex-con, white trash. The
problem is probably made worse by the border-bigots'
irrational fear of those hard-working, well-behaved
brown people.

And that's too bad because if they want to work, all
they have to do is SHOW UP.
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-20 11:46:30 UTC
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Whenever I go there, I usually pay just under $100/day ($10-$15/hr)... but I'm just going for
someone to clean my yard or help paint or somesuch.
That's very generous of you. In Los Angeles they get $7-$10 and many
are abused and ripped off because there are just so very many of them.
Many practically starve on the streets of Los Angeles because they
don't get picked or earn only a few dollars. Eventually many get some
woman from El Salvador or where-ever pregnant and then it's welfare,
food stamps, Medi-Cal (Medicaid in Calif.), WIC, swamped emergency
rooms, vast slums, gangs, crime, domestic violence, graffiti, crowded
schools, high rents, crowded roads and freeways, unlicensed drivers,
and nursing home bills and SSI for crippled gang members and their
victims. It's a matter of when are there too many? That's why we have
<legal> immigration.
If they've got *skills*, they can get $20 or $30 with the very few professional contractors >that come by.
Professional contractors in California are supposed to pay workman's
compensation or the homeowner could be liable. Ones who hire illegals
don't. I don't know what the law is in Texas.
That's why, when Katrina hit - it was a bunch of Mexicans who SHOWED UP rebuild >NOLA... not the border bigots.
I read that a bunch of unemployed Americans (many of them Black) who
were contracted to go to New Orleans to work and were going to be bused
there, cried when they were told they couldn't have the jobs because
they had been given to Mexicans.

And that's why during this harvest season, the south's biggest bumper
crops in a decade (thank you Katrina) the fruit just rotted in the
fields. Because the Border Bigot's didn't SHOW UP. (As a vegetarian, I
take that very personally.)

So let's bring in some temporary workers to pick them. The illegals
don't want that work any more than the Americans do.

<....as an occasional substitute teacher with the local school
district, I appreciate my generosity when I get paid by myself to take
care of their little rug-rats.>

Los Angeles schools are hell holes bursting at the seams. The toilets
are overflowing from junk being stuffed in them and the doors torn off
and all full of graffiti. I don't know how the kids manage; maybe if
they don't want to stand in a line so long they miss half their next
class then they have to hold it in all day or go home to use the
toilet.
It's really a win-win situation... all you gotta do is what? [SHOW UP]
They're doing that all right--everywhere :(
Homeless Capital of the U.S.
2006-10-20 11:58:10 UTC
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Regardless, if you don't like the pay then get yourself a salable skill. This is the land of
opportunity... but you have to be willing to work for it.
They're taking those jobs too, along with the Phillipinos, Armenians,
Middle Easterners, Viet Namese, and many many others. The others buy up
businesses and hire their own people at sub-minimum wages. And buy
rental properties and turn them into slums. I know a couple of female
clerical workers who have been unemployed for years. I have seen my
father's certified nursing assistants' jobs become underemployed and
their wages fall so low that they can't live on them anymore and they
collected early Social Security at a lower amount.
Meanwhile, rents have skyrocketed.
If you're competing with illegal aliens for jobs-it's not THEY who are your problem.
It's massive immigration in general. If you can become a rocket
scientist, an attorney, a scientist, or get into the movie or TV
industry, then you're fine. Also registered nurses and people who can
repair complicated electronic equipment can find jobs at the present
time I've heard. That's about it.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-20 16:30:52 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Regardless, if you don't like the pay then get yourself a salable skill. This is the land of
opportunity... but you have to be willing to work for it.
They're taking those jobs too, along with the Phillipinos, Armenians,
Middle Easterners, Viet Namese, and many many others.
I'm not having any trouble finding work.
My neighbors don't seem to have any trouble finding
work.
My family doesn't seem to have any trouble finding work.
Indeed - we've got so much work, we're willing to share.

All you gotta do is what? [SHOW UP]
Larry in AZ
2006-10-19 14:02:56 UTC
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Post by Siva
I worked for shit wages once so that I could save up enough money to
live while I worked on getting a higher-paying job.
So, how did that lemonade stand work out for you..?
--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-19 02:06:16 UTC
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Post by Homeless Capital of the U.S.
Since we're the ones who created a society where good paying jobs
exist, that would prove that we're far from lazy.
You border bigots created no such society.
Indeed - you've shut yourselves out of it.

That's why we choose to import GOOD workers.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-10-19 02:04:27 UTC
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Post by Siva
Then more power to 'em. If they're marketable enough to beat out a lazy
white merkin for the job, then they should take it.
That's what free enterprise is all about.
Amen.
Allen Crawford
2006-10-20 01:02:06 UTC
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Post by Siva
Then more power to 'em. If they're marketable enough to beat out a lazy
white merkin for the job, then they should take it.
That's what free enterprise is all about.
Amen.
Amen to tax evasion?
scroll
2006-10-19 02:02:25 UTC
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Post by DiViDeD
Mud huts?
No sewage system?
When did you last visit Mexico?
MANY of the ones who risk their lives to come here via the desert are
indeed living in that kind of abject poverty.
God knows - they aren't risking life and limb to flee from well-paying
jobs and 21st century technology.
What has your excuse been?
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