OT: Last Night of the Proms

[Cursitor Doom]

Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

[Nick Odell]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

S'funny: I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary on my wireless
set. The commentator mentioned that a Latvian flag was flying whilst
accordionist Ksenija Sidorova was playing and that some of her friends
were in the audience.

Nick

[Bob Eager]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties in
Question Time?

I see he's foaming again.

[Andy Burns]

There was just SO much of it that it *has* to have been organised. That
it all by happened at random would be the hard story to swallow.

Well it doesn't take /much/ organisation to spend a couple of hundred
quid on blue berets and sticky gold stars ... dish them out among your
party and anyone else who's got an EU flag with them ...

[JNugent]

Post by Andy Burns

There was just SO much of it that it *has* to have been organised.
That it all by happened at random would be the hard story to swallow.

Well it doesn't take /much/ organisation to spend a couple of hundred
quid on blue berets and sticky gold stars ... dish them out among your
party and anyone else who's got an EU flag with them ...

So it was organised.

And as many would see it, cynically organised in order to hijack a
cultural event which has absolutely nothing to do with the obsessions of
the Remainers.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties in
Question Time?

I see he's foaming again.

And he's reached depths of stupidity extreme even for him.

It's the Albert Hall that sells the tickets - nothing whatsoever to do
with the BBC.

But I'd guess if he saw an EU flag at the cup final on the BBC, it would
be a BBC conspiracy...

[JNugent]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played for
them last night:

[Spike]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played for
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

LOL

[Richard]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played for
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Richard

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played for
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in what
way?

However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way to
'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

[Richard]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

 Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in what
way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way to
'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done what
needed to be done.

Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit. Just as we have by
Covid. The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting
everyone else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

[Rod Speed]

Post by Richard

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played for
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are you
one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in what way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way to
'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done what
needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Bullshit.

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

More bullshit.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone else.

More bullshit.

Post by Richard
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 19:58:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

[Richard]

You don't live here, so STFU.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Richard

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

 Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in
what way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best
way to 'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done
what needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Uh?? I thought the whole idea was that it would be beneficial and an
advantage. [Well, at least that's what they kept telling me.]

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

This is true. To some it has even been fatal. Some have had their
livelihoods destroyed. Fortunately, to some (especially those who have
avoided infection), it has merely been a reasonably tolerable minor
inconvenience.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone
else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'
(well, at least the Americans are!).

[Richard]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Richard

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

 Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

 Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in
what  way?
 However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best
way to  'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done
what needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Uh?? I thought the whole idea was that it would be beneficial and an
advantage. [Well, at least that's what they kept telling me.]

Anyone saying that there have not been any adverse impacts from Brexit
is an idiot. Anyone saying that Brexit is a failure is an idiot.

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

This is true. To some it has even been fatal. Some have had their
livelihoods destroyed. Fortunately, to some (especially those who have
avoided infection), it has merely been a reasonably tolerable minor
inconvenience.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'
(well, at least the Americans are!).

No-one is entitled to any of that. It is a privilege.

[Rod Speed]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played for
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in what
way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way
to 'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done what
needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Uh?? I thought the whole idea was that it would be beneficial and an
advantage. [Well, at least that's what they kept telling me.]

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

This is true. To some it has even been fatal. Some have had their
livelihoods destroyed. Fortunately, to some (especially those who have
avoided infection), it has merely been a reasonably tolerable minor
inconvenience.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'

Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

Post by Ian Jackson
(well, at least the Americans are!).

Nope, in spades with the dregs there.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the
balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours
and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been
personally adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone
who has? Or are you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit)
- and if so, in what way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best
way to 'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done
what needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Uh?? I thought the whole idea was that it would be beneficial and an
advantage. [Well, at least that's what they kept telling me.]

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

This is true. To some it has even been fatal. Some have had their
livelihoods destroyed. Fortunately, to some (especially those who have
avoided infection), it has merely been a reasonably tolerable minor
inconvenience.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'

Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

[Actually, if some of James o'Brien's Brexiteer in-phoners were to
believed, they voted to leave in the sure and certain knowledge that
they could well be worse off - and a few said they wouldn't really care
if they lost their job.]

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Ian Jackson
(well, at least the Americans are!).

Nope, in spades with the dregs there.

[Rod Speed]

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in
what way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way
to 'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done what
needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Uh?? I thought the whole idea was that it would be beneficial and an
advantage. [Well, at least that's what they kept telling me.]

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

This is true. To some it has even been fatal. Some have had their
livelihoods destroyed. Fortunately, to some (especially those who have
avoided infection), it has merely been a reasonably tolerable minor
inconvenience.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'

Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were voting
for?

Yep, particularly with those that believed that the
UK would be free to decide which EU citizens the
UK would allow to move to the UK from the EU.

[Actually, if some of James o'Brien's Brexiteer in-phoners were to
believed, they voted to leave in the sure and certain knowledge that they
could well be worse off - and a few said they wouldn't really care if they
lost their job.]

Because they decided that they wanted the UK to
be able to decide what happened in the UK rather
than having the EU tell the UK what they had to do.

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Ian Jackson
(well, at least the Americans are!).

Nope, in spades with the dregs there.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:48:28 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit>

Get the fuck out of European ngs, you trolling senile cretin from Oz!

[Pomegranate Bastard]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:48:28 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in
what way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way
to 'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

Presumably you haven't got a clue about my background and what
difficulties I have overcome. Difference is, I have got on and done what
needed to be done.
Yes, we all have been adversely affected by Brexit.

Uh?? I thought the whole idea was that it would be beneficial and an
advantage. [Well, at least that's what they kept telling me.]

Post by Richard
Just as we have by Covid.

This is true. To some it has even been fatal. Some have had their
livelihoods destroyed. Fortunately, to some (especially those who have
avoided infection), it has merely been a reasonably tolerable minor
inconvenience.

Post by Richard
The 8 billion people on the planet are adversely affecting everyone else.
Why do you feel that anyone has the right to reap benefits from anything?
Move on.

Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'

Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were voting
for?

Yep, particularly with those that believed that the
UK would be free to decide which EU citizens the
UK would allow to move to the UK from the EU.

Keep your rabid opinions to yourself and sling your hook. Bloody wog.

Post by Rod Speed

[Actually, if some of James o'Brien's Brexiteer in-phoners were to
believed, they voted to leave in the sure and certain knowledge that they
could well be worse off - and a few said they wouldn't really care if they
lost their job.]

Because they decided that they wanted the UK to
be able to decide what happened in the UK rather
than having the EU tell the UK what they had to do.

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Ian Jackson
(well, at least the Americans are!).

Nope, in spades with the dregs there.

[Tim Streater]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

[Spike]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

AOL/WHS/+1

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.

Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at least
partially in control before.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

On 14 Sep 2021 at 09:07:11 BST, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.
Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at least
partially in control before.

When it was announced that, for the moment, we were still not going to
start checking EU imports, I heard one commentator say that the UK's
official reason was because many EU exporters hadn't prepared themselves
for doing the additional paperwork required for what is, for many, a
minority market. Another comment was essentially that, for some
exporters, it was probably too much bother, and if the UK insisted on it
they might simply stop exporting to the UK.

[charles]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

On 14 Sep 2021 at 09:07:11 BST, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided that they would
have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed
bureaucratic political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.
Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at
least partially in control before.

When it was announced that, for the moment, we were still not going to
start checking EU imports, I heard one commentator say that the UK's
official reason was because many EU exporters hadn't prepared themselves
for doing the additional paperwork required for what is, for many, a
minority market. Another comment was essentially that, for some
exporters, it was probably too much bother, and if the UK insisted on it
they might simply stop exporting to the UK.

and I have a friend who used to export small items to the EU. He's lost
that trade because of the paperwork involved.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by charles

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

On 14 Sep 2021 at 09:07:11 BST, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided that they would
have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed
bureaucratic political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.
Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at
least partially in control before.

When it was announced that, for the moment, we were still not going to
start checking EU imports, I heard one commentator say that the UK's
official reason was because many EU exporters hadn't prepared themselves
for doing the additional paperwork required for what is, for many, a
minority market. Another comment was essentially that, for some
exporters, it was probably too much bother, and if the UK insisted on it
they might simply stop exporting to the UK.

and I have a friend who used to export small items to the EU. He's lost
that trade because of the paperwork involved.

I've constantly been saying that it's the small traders who are going to
be worst hit by Brexit (and about whom we may hear little), while the
'big boys' will have all the resources required to deal with the
additional bureaucracy, and (if we're lucky) about whom we're going to
hear triumphant reports of vast expansions.

[Spike]

Post by Ian Jackson
I've constantly been saying that it's the small traders who are going to
be worst hit by Brexit (and about whom we may hear little), while the
'big boys' will have all the resources required to deal with the
additional bureaucracy, and (if we're lucky) about whom we're going to
hear triumphant reports of vast expansions.

You could always keep saying that the UK has moved far from the Soviet
Union-style economy of heavy industry and agriculture, and is now an 80
percent finance-and-services economy, where exporting actual things is
of much less importance than in the Industrial era.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

On 14 Sep 2021 at 09:07:11 BST, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.
Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at least
partially in control before.

When it was announced that, for the moment, we were still not going to
start checking EU imports, I heard one commentator say that the UK's
official reason was because many EU exporters hadn't prepared themselves
for doing the additional paperwork required for what is, for many, a
minority market. Another comment was essentially that, for some
exporters, it was probably too much bother, and if the UK insisted on it
they might simply stop exporting to the UK.

We are happy with a free trade deal even if its unilateral.
EU needs to punish us - we frakly couldn't care less. It isn't red tape
stopping imports from e.g. Germany. Its british people not buying their
products.

[Richard]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

On 14 Sep 2021 at 09:07:11 BST, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.
Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at least
partially in control before.

When it was announced that, for the moment, we were still not going to
start checking EU imports, I heard one commentator say that the UK's
official reason was because many EU exporters hadn't prepared
themselves for doing the additional paperwork required for what is,
for many, a minority market. Another comment was essentially that, for
some exporters, it was probably too much bother, and if the UK
insisted on it they might simply stop exporting to the UK.

We are happy with a free trade deal even if its unilateral.
EU needs to punish us - we frakly couldn't care less. It isn't red tape
stopping imports from e.g. Germany. Its british people not buying their
products.

Whoa. How do you arrive at that conclusion in the last sentence?

[Ian Jackson]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

On 14 Sep 2021 at 09:07:11 BST, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?

I got what I was voting for, namely not to be a part of a failed bureaucratic
political experiment.

And to take back control? Where now, apparently, our borders are open to
any old EU import, but theirs closed to ours.
Sounds to me like we've given control to the EU. Instead of being at least
partially in control before.

When it was announced that, for the moment, we were still not going
to start checking EU imports, I heard one commentator say that the
UK's official reason was because many EU exporters hadn't prepared
themselves for doing the additional paperwork required for what is,
for many, a minority market. Another comment was essentially that,
for some exporters, it was probably too much bother, and if the UK
insisted on it they might simply stop exporting to the UK.

We are happy with a free trade deal even if its unilateral.
EU needs to punish us

No - they're simply applying the rules in the trading agreement we
signed up to. Why should they do otherwise?

Post by The Natural Philosopher
- we frakly couldn't care less.

YOU might not, but I don't want to be punished for something that is
none of my making.

Post by The Natural Philosopher
It isn't red tape stopping imports from e.g. Germany. Its british
people not buying their products.

Sorry - I must have missed the news about us boycotting goods coming
from the EU.

[Spike]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by The Natural Philosopher
We are happy with a free trade deal even if its unilateral.
EU needs to punish us

No - they're simply applying the rules in the trading agreement we
signed up to. Why should they do otherwise?

Ignoring the small fact that the EU unilaterally imposed a hard border
in NI against the very deal it had struck with the UK, the EU is quite
free to harm itself in any way it wishes.

Thank goodness we're well out of that.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Spike

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by The Natural Philosopher
We are happy with a free trade deal even if its unilateral.
EU needs to punish us

No - they're simply applying the rules in the trading agreement we
signed up to. Why should they do otherwise?

Ignoring the small fact that the EU unilaterally imposed a hard border
in NI against the very deal it had struck with the UK, the EU is quite
free to harm itself in any way it wishes.

They have taken back control. Why would they want to let in inferior
British goods with no checks?

But then fools like you thought the UK would be back 'in charge' of
everything.

It was obvious to anyone with half a working brain cell that an open
border requires common standards on both sides.

Post by Spike
Thank goodness we're well out of that.

Well out? We're doing very well now are we?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Ian Jackson
YOU might not, but I don't want to be punished for something that is
none of my making.

Indeed, That's exactly why we voted to leave the EU.

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by The Natural Philosopher
It isn't red tape stopping imports from e.g. Germany. Its british
people not buying their products.

Sorry - I must have missed the news about us boycotting goods coming
from the EU.

Obviously you did. Natural enough as you probably get your news from the
BBC and the Guardian, and it doesn't fit their faux narratives. I buy
as little as possible from the EU, as do many other people who have been
disgusted at the response of the EU to Brexit.

[Spike]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Rod Speed
Nope, and the majority who bothered to vote decided
that they would have more of that outside the EU.

But do you know (of) anyone who has got what they thought they were
voting for?
[Actually, if some of James o'Brien's Brexiteer in-phoners were to
believed, they voted to leave in the sure and certain knowledge that
they could well be worse off - and a few said they wouldn't really care
if they lost their job.]

That emerged in the Sunderland Factor, it isn't 'news' at all!

[alan_m]

Post by Ian Jackson
Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'
(well, at least the Americans are!).

That's the American Dream

[Rod Speed]

Post by alan_m

Post by Ian Jackson
Are we not all entitled to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'
(well, at least the Americans are!).

That's the American Dream

Its actually mindless bullshit/fantasy.

Most of their houses are in home owners associations
where some stupid neighbour can make you remove
the hose from a tap outside the house when you aren't
actually using the hose.

Post by alan_m
http://youtu.be/Lr7bKYMuerA

[Peeler]

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:23:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

[Robin]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Richard

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

It wasn't just flags. There were banners strung along the balcony fronts
and a lot of people wearing berets (or similar) in EU colours and designs.

 Yes, it seemed more than a little incongruous at what is a
quintessential British event. Perhaps this should have been played
http://youtu.be/YmPwYhHX_jY

Yep. That would be the remainers living in the past.
We are no longer in the EU, like it or not.
Just wish both side of the argument would STFU and move on.

Presumably you are among the many who have not (yet) been personally
adversely affected by Brexit, or don't know of anyone who has? Or are
you one who has benefited (or is likely to benefit) - and if so, in what
way?
However, I do agree that we need to 'move on' - although the best way to
'move on' might be to 'circle back'.

If you reckon that's a good way to bring the nation together or get a
good deal from the EU I commend to you Tony Blair's Chatham House speech.

"if a return to Europe is ever to be undertaken by a new generation,
Britain should do it as a successful nation Europe is anxious to
embrace, not as supplicant with no other options"


https://institute.global/tony-blair/tony-blair-post-brexit-britain-we-can-succeed-its-change-or-decline

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

Do you see conspiracies in everything you see by any chance?
If you see a herd of cows, how do you tell which are the communist ones?
Brian
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?
--
"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
private property ownership."
- Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto

[Andrew]

Those Aberdeen Angus are bit dark aren't they ?.

Not sure what to make of a brown hereford with a white face.

Andrew

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Do you see conspiracies in everything you see by any chance?
If you see a herd of cows, how do you tell which are the communist ones?
Brian

[Peeler]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:11:43 +1000, Alex, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit>

[#Paul]

... just like they do extreme Lefties in Question Time?

If it's any consolation, the same shadowy organisation
also tries to pack out diy newsgroups with right-wing
nut-jobs. :-)

#Paul

[Fruity Nutcake]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Bloody foreigners and their collaborators shouldn't be allowed
to hijack our patriotic celebration of British Nationhood, by jingo!
Handing out free starry berets at the door of the Albert Hall is
tantamount to distributing subversive propanda leflets.

[nightjar]

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Bloody foreigners and their collaborators shouldn't be allowed
to hijack our patriotic celebration of British Nationhood, by jingo!

To judge from the number of different national flags usually seen at the
Last Night of the Proms, it is merely a celebration.

Post by Fruity Nutcake
Handing out free starry berets at the door of the Albert Hall is
tantamount to distributing subversive propanda leflets.

Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to the
Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have convinced
the (almost) half who voted against.

[JNugent]

Post by nightjar

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Bloody foreigners and their collaborators shouldn't be allowed
to hijack our patriotic celebration of British Nationhood, by jingo!

To judge from the number of different national flags usually seen at the
Last Night of the Proms, it is merely a celebration.

Post by Fruity Nutcake
Handing out free starry berets at the door of the Albert Hall is
tantamount to distributing subversive propanda leflets.

Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to the
Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have convinced
the (almost) half who voted against.

For what possible good purpose?

Everyone who is remotely interested knows what the referendum result
was, almost to two decimal places. Harping on about a lost political
cause during an event which has nothing to do with politics is pretty
poor behaviour.

[Fruity Nutcake]

Post by nightjar

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out
with EU-flag waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Bloody foreigners and their collaborators shouldn't be allowed
to hijack our patriotic celebration of British Nationhood, by jingo!

To judge from the number of different national flags usually seen at
the Last Night of the Proms, it is merely a celebration.

Post by Fruity Nutcake
Handing out free starry berets at the door of the Albert Hall is
tantamount to distributing subversive propaganda leaflets.

Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to
the Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have
convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

So what? The Remainder lost to an 8% majority, it's a fait accompli.
They should just get over it instead of impotently blowing razzberies
out of pique.

[nightjar]

....

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by nightjar
Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to
the Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have
convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

So what? The Remainder lost to an 8% majority, it's a fait accompli.

I suppose that, if Brexiteers were any good at maths, they would have
understood the economic arguments against it and voted the other way.
51.9% - 48.1% is a difference of 3.8%, not 8%.

In any case, the result is not set in stone. It is open to any future
government to take us back in, if they think that will win them votes.
It is up to those who think that Brexit will be a disaster to keep them
aware that there is still a lot of pro-EU feeling in the country.

[Fruity Nutcake]

Post by nightjar
....

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by nightjar
Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to
the Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have
convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

So what? The Remainder lost to an 8% majority, it's a fait accompli.

I suppose that, if Brexiteers were any good at maths, they would have
understood the economic arguments against it and voted the other way.
51.9% - 48.1% is a difference of 3.8%, not 8%.

Is it not the case that Leave gained 8% more votes than Remain?
That is my understanding of how majorities are calculated.

Post by nightjar
In any case, the result is not set in stone. It is open to any future
government to take us back in, if they think that will win them votes.
It is up to those who think that Brexit will be a disaster to keep them
aware that there is still a lot of pro-EU feeling in the country.

The Remainder lost; they should just get over it. What are we
playing here; 'best of three'? 'best of five'? I think not; that
sort of silly game is for bad losers.

[JNugent]

Post by nightjar
....

Post by nightjar
Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to
the Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have
convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

So what?  The Remainder lost to an 8% majority, it's a fait accompli.

I suppose that, if Brexiteers were any good at maths, they would have
understood the economic arguments against it and voted the other way.
51.9% - 48.1% is a difference of 3.8%, not 8%.

But as has been pointed out numerous times, the Leave vote was 108% of
the Remain vote (that is, it was eight per cent bigger than the Remain
vote). Other ways of expressing that fact are available, but that one is
100% true and accurate.

Post by nightjar
In any case, the result is not set in stone. It is open to any future
government to take us back in, if they think that will win them votes.
It is up to those who think that Brexit will be a disaster to keep them
aware that there is still a lot of pro-EU feeling in the country.

I think we can all guarantee that if the UK ever rejoins the Common
Market / EEC / EU, it will not happen because the government (ie,
Parliament) just decides it, like in 1972.

There would have to be a fresh Peoples' Vote and this time, perhaps we
could graciously accept one of the Remainers' main points and require a
66:33 majority for any change from the status quo. We know they were all
in favour of that after the result last time.

[Fruity Nutcake]

Post by JNugent

Post by nightjar
In any case, the result is not set in stone. It is open to any future
government to take us back in, if they think that will win them votes.
It is up to those who think that Brexit will be a disaster to keep
them aware that there is still a lot of pro-EU feeling in the country.

I think we can all guarantee that if the UK ever rejoins the Common
Market / EEC / EU, it will not happen because the government (ie,
Parliament) just decides it, like in 1972.

There will not be an EU to rejoin.
It is sufferiung from its own democratic deficit. There is a lot wrong
with it and no country in the 27 wants it to remain as it is, but since
there is no democracy, it sees no reason to change
So nations will simply increase their policy of ignoring it.

The EU is riven from top to bottom, side to side. Who in their right
mind would choose to remain shackled to a wounded elephant? IMO
it's only a matter of time until it falls apart. Even the Germans have
their doubts about it now.

[Tim Streater]

Post by JNugent

Post by nightjar
In any case, the result is not set in stone. It is open to any future
government to take us back in, if they think that will win them votes.
It is up to those who think that Brexit will be a disaster to keep
them aware that there is still a lot of pro-EU feeling in the country.

I think we can all guarantee that if the UK ever rejoins the Common
Market / EEC / EU, it will not happen because the government (ie,
Parliament) just decides it, like in 1972.

There will not be an EU to rejoin.
It is sufferiung from its own democratic deficit. There is a lot wrong
with it and no country in the 27 wants it to remain as it is, but since
there is no democracy, it sees no reason to change
So nations will simply increase their policy of ignoring it.

Ther Yanks have a similar problem, with a constitution that might have been a
good one in 1776 but is no longer fit for purpose, and no sensble way to
change it.

[Andrew]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by JNugent

Post by nightjar
In any case, the result is not set in stone. It is open to any future
government to take us back in, if they think that will win them votes.
It is up to those who think that Brexit will be a disaster to keep
them aware that there is still a lot of pro-EU feeling in the country.

I think we can all guarantee that if the UK ever rejoins the Common
Market / EEC / EU, it will not happen because the government (ie,
Parliament) just decides it, like in 1972.

There will not be an EU to rejoin.
It is sufferiung from its own democratic deficit. There is a lot wrong
with it and no country in the 27 wants it to remain as it is, but since
there is no democracy, it sees no reason to change
So nations will simply increase their policy of ignoring it.

Ther Yanks have a similar problem, with a constitution that might have been a
good one in 1776 but is no longer fit for purpose, and no sensble way to
change it.

And Texas still thinks it is a 'sovereign country' :-)

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by nightjar

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out
with EU-flag waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Bloody foreigners and their collaborators shouldn't be allowed
to hijack our patriotic celebration of British Nationhood, by jingo!

To judge from the number of different national flags usually seen at
the Last Night of the Proms, it is merely a celebration.

Post by Fruity Nutcake
Handing out free starry berets at the door of the Albert Hall is
tantamount to distributing subversive propaganda leaflets.

Wearing them is entirely voluntary, but it does send a message to
the Brexiteers that winning the referendum does not mean they have
convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

So what? The Remainder lost to an 8% majority, it's a fait accompli.
They should just get over it instead of impotently blowing razzberies
out of pique.

They cant accept that they were wrong, and the EU still hopes to drive
the UK back into its arms sobbing for forgiveness.

We wont know that Brexit has been a success and in what terms, for
decades. It took what - 50 years? - to realise the EU was, on balance,
a big mistake.

What we do know is that the none of the dire warnings have come to pass.

[Spike]

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely voluntary,
but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning the referendum
does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

[NY]

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely voluntary,
but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning the referendum
does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided by
less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who chose not to
vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any election, you can only
count the votes of the people who vote and cannot second-guess which way the
abstainers would have voted.

I'm not sure what would have happened if far fewer people had voted: would a
result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of the
electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe decision with
both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote in a second
referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think it is safe to take
the result as valid.


They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66% to
produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33% to "win"
but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In my opinion,
any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on either side, and
should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

[Fruity Nutcake]

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely voluntary,
but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning the referendum
does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided by
less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who chose not to
vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any election, you can only
count the votes of the people who vote and cannot second-guess which way the
abstainers would have voted.
I'm not sure what would have happened if far fewer people had voted: would a
result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of the
electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe decision with
both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote in a second
referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think it is safe to take
the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66% to
produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33% to "win"
but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In my opinion,
any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on either side, and
should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?

In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would
that invalidate the result, and if so, why?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Fruity Nutcake
It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?

Because in an ordinary election you elect the Party. No matter which
puppet you voted for, Brussels always stayed in.

The referendum voted to leave the Party.

Naturally the Party is upset.

[Andrew]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Fruity Nutcake
It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election.  If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?

Because in an ordinary election you elect the Party. No matter which
puppet you voted for, Brussels always stayed in.
The referendum voted to leave the Party.
Naturally the Party is upset.

People under a certain age were excluded from voting.
That was wrong when people over 85 were allowed to vote
(and mostly did vote).


It would have been fairer if the parents or guardians of
every child under the voting age was given one extra proxy
vote per child and allowed to vote for them. This could
have benefited either side.

[JNugent]

Post by Andrew

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Fruity Nutcake
It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election.  If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?

Because in an ordinary election you elect the Party. No matter which
puppet you voted for, Brussels always stayed in.
The referendum voted to leave the Party.
Naturally the Party is upset.

People under a certain age were excluded from voting.
That was wrong when people over 85 were allowed to vote
(and mostly did vote).

What *are* you talking about?

Post by Andrew
It would have been fairer if the parents or guardians of
every child under the voting age was given one extra proxy
vote per child and allowed to vote for them. This could
have benefited either side.

How about persons claiming to be pregnant?

And if such a person claims to be having quintuplets...?

[Andrew]

Post by JNugent

Post by Andrew

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Fruity Nutcake
It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election.  If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?

Because in an ordinary election you elect the Party. No matter which
puppet you voted for, Brussels always stayed in.
The referendum voted to leave the Party.
Naturally the Party is upset.

People under a certain age were excluded from voting.
That was wrong when people over 85 were allowed to vote
(and mostly did vote).

What *are* you talking about?

You have forgotten the basic rules of driving, Mirror,
Signal, Manouvre. Ditto posting to the internet,
Read, Think, Reply. You missed out the middle bit.

If people with one foot (or leg) in the grave could
vote on an issue which will have massive consequences for
everyone, *including* all those under the voting age, who will
have to put up with the result, good or bad, for much longer,
then parents or guardians of under-age kids should have had
proxy votes for each of them. Remember this could have
worked both ways and was a one-off vote, unlike a GE
which can be altered 5 years down the line. QED 100% fair.

Trying to drag in pregnant females is plain stupid.

[JNugent]

Post by Andrew

Post by JNugent

Post by Andrew

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Fruity Nutcake
It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election.  If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?

Because in an ordinary election you elect the Party. No matter which
puppet you voted for, Brussels always stayed in.
The referendum voted to leave the Party.
Naturally the Party is upset.

People under a certain age were excluded from voting.
That was wrong when people over 85 were allowed to vote
(and mostly did vote).

What *are* you talking about?

You have forgotten the basic rules of driving, Mirror,
Signal, Manouvre. Ditto posting to the internet,
Read, Think, Reply. You missed out the middle bit.

Tripe.

Explain - if you can - why people over 85 should not be allowed to vote.
Try to make an "argument" based on something other than your preferences
for the outcome.

This should be good...

Post by Andrew
If people with one foot (or leg) in the grave could
vote on an issue which will have massive consequences for
everyone, *including* all those under the voting age, who will
have to put up with the result, good or bad, for much longer,
then parents or guardians of under-age kids should have had
proxy votes for each of them.

Says *who* (other than you)?

Post by Andrew
Remember this could have
worked both ways and was a one-off vote, unlike a GE
which can be altered 5 years down the line. QED 100% fair.
Trying to drag in pregnant females is plain stupid.

What's the electoral difference between an unborn child due tomorrow and
one who's already a day old?

This should be good...

[charles]

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning
the referendum does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half
who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided
by less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who
chose not to vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any
election, you can only count the votes of the people who vote and
cannot second-guess which way the abstainers would have voted.
would a result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of
the electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe
decision with both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote
in a second referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think
it is safe to take the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66%
to produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33%
to "win" but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In
my opinion, any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on
either side, and should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?
In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would that
invalidate the result, and if so, why?

A Parliamentary election result is only for 5 years - at a maximum.
Theoretically Brexit was to be for ever.

It is very interesting to note that the "Regain our soverignity" movement
seems to reject Scotland wanting to exercise the right to leave tbe United
Kingdom.

[Tim Streater]

Post by charles

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning
the referendum does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half
who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided
by less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who
chose not to vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any
election, you can only count the votes of the people who vote and
cannot second-guess which way the abstainers would have voted.
would a result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of
the electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe
decision with both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote
in a second referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think
it is safe to take the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66%
to produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33%
to "win" but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In
my opinion, any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on
either side, and should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?
In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would that
invalidate the result, and if so, why?

A Parliamentary election result is only for 5 years - at a maximum.
Theoretically Brexit was to be for ever.

So was Brentry, carried out without even a referendum on joining.

[JNugent]

Post by charles

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning
the referendum does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half
who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided
by less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who
chose not to vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any
election, you can only count the votes of the people who vote and
cannot second-guess which way the abstainers would have voted.
would a result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of
the electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe
decision with both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote
in a second referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think
it is safe to take the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66%
to produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33%
to "win" but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In
my opinion, any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on
either side, and should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?
In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would that
invalidate the result, and if so, why?

A Parliamentary election result is only for 5 years - at a maximum.
Theoretically Brexit was to be for ever.
It is very interesting to note that the "Regain our soverignity" movement
seems to reject Scotland wanting to exercise the right to leave tbe United
Kingdom.

Says who?

All they need do is let the English vote on it too.

A guaranteed independent Scotland would be the result. Or perhaps
rather, England independent from Scotland.

[Fredxx]

Post by charles

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning
the referendum does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half
who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided
by less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who
chose not to vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any
election, you can only count the votes of the people who vote and
cannot second-guess which way the abstainers would have voted.
would a result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of
the electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe
decision with both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote
in a second referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think
it is safe to take the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66%
to produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33%
to "win" but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In
my opinion, any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on
either side, and should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?
In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would that
invalidate the result, and if so, why?

A Parliamentary election result is only for 5 years - at a maximum.
Theoretically Brexit was to be for ever.
It is very interesting to note that the "Regain our soverignity" movement
seems to reject Scotland wanting to exercise the right to leave tbe United
Kingdom.

Quite possibly, once more politicians are out of step with the
electorate. If there was a Scottish referendum with the whole of the UK
voting, I'm certain Scottish independence would obtain a substantial
majority.

[Andrew]

Post by charles

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning
the referendum does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half
who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided
by less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who
chose not to vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any
election, you can only count the votes of the people who vote and
cannot second-guess which way the abstainers would have voted.
would a result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of
the electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe
decision with both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote
in a second referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think
it is safe to take the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66%
to produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33%
to "win" but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In
my opinion, any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on
either side, and should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election. If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?
In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would that
invalidate the result, and if so, why?

A Parliamentary election result is only for 5 years - at a maximum.
Theoretically Brexit was to be for ever.
It is very interesting to note that the "Regain our soverignity" movement
seems to reject Scotland wanting to exercise the right to leave tbe United
Kingdom.

A Scottish 'yes' result would be soon followed by a similar demand
from Shetland to be independent. They are closer (geographically and
culturally) to Scandinavia than the Picts. The also have most of the
oil.

[Fredxx]

Post by Andrew

Post by charles

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by NY

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that winning
the referendum does not mean they have convinced the (almost) half
who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Are the Remain side still wibbling on about how the result was decided
by less than 50% *of the elegible electorate*, as if all those who
chose not to vote either way would have voted for Remain. In any
election, you can only count the votes of the people who vote and
cannot second-guess which way the abstainers would have voted.
would a result of 52%:48% have been valid if (for example) only 10% of
the electorate had voted? Would it have been declared an unsafe
decision with both sides exhorting their supporters to go out and vote
in a second referendum. But when 72% of the electorate votes, I think
it is safe to take the result as valid.
They also said that the "goalpost" should have been something like 66%
to produce a valid "Brexit" result - ie Remain only need to poll >33%
to "win" but Brexit need to poll >66% to "win". How biassed is that? In
my opinion, any vote for status quo versus change should require 50% on
either side, and should not be biassed in favour of status quo.

It's instructive to compare the Referendum vote to an ordinary
parliamentary bye-election.  If a majority of just one vote is good
enough to elect a MP, why should an 8% majority to leave not be
sufficient?
In the event of a parliamentary election being so close-run, would that
invalidate the result, and if so, why?

A Parliamentary election result is only for 5 years - at a maximum.
Theoretically Brexit was to be for ever.
It is very interesting to note that the "Regain our soverignity" movement
seems to reject Scotland wanting to exercise the right to leave tbe United
Kingdom.

A Scottish 'yes' result would be soon followed by a similar demand
from Shetland to be independent. They are closer (geographically and
culturally) to Scandinavia than the Picts. The also have most of the
oil.

Last referendum they wanted to stay in the UK. Perhaps they should?

[Bernie]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 16:08:11 +0000

Post by Spike

Wearing [EU berets at The Last Night of the Proms] is entirely
voluntary, but it does send a message to the Brexiteers that
winning the referendum does not mean they have convinced the
(almost) half who voted against.

I don't recall it being a requirement of the Referendum that in the
post-vote period the winners were required to convince the losers of
anything.

Doesn't seemed to have stopped you from giving it a good go, though,
Burt.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Quite. Youngish intelligent well educated Londoners voted remain
overwhelmingly.

Doom, being non of those, voted leave.

[Andrew]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Quite. Youngish intelligent well educated Londoners voted remain
overwhelmingly.

Few of them actually from London of course, just concentrated there.

[Fruity Nutcake]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Better education? In what lesson would the pupils be steered to your
way of thinking when they voted long after leaving school?

It is a common metropolitan liberal delusion, with their superior
education and musical taste, that they are better grounded in the
real world than the ignorant, unwashed artisan class.

Is it just snobbery?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Fruity Nutcake

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Better education? In what lesson would the pupils be steered to your
way of thinking when they voted long after leaving school?

It is a common metropolitan liberal delusion, with their superior
education and musical taste, that they are better grounded in the
real world than the ignorant, unwashed artisan class.
Is it just snobbery?

No, they just feel that they ought to be running things because plebs
are fucking dipshits

See the quote below

[nightjar]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Better education? In what lesson would the pupils be steered to your
way of thinking when they voted long after leaving school?

The demographics of the referendum voters showed that people with a
degree or other higher education qualification were more likely to vote
remain, while those with O level or lower qualifications were more
likely to vote leave. Those with A levels as their highest qualification
were about equally divided.

[Pamela]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

What does the BBC have to do with tickets for the proms? You get them
direct from the Albert Hall. Are they part of your conspiracy?

[Clive Page]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma Raducanu, has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant to the UK. How fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in order to make sure that such things cannot happen again. We'll all be the better for it won't we?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Clive Page

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma
Raducanu, has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant to
the UK.  How fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in order to
make sure that such things cannot happen again.   We'll all be the
better for it won't we?

No, I hadn't noticed that at all,

She has a Romanian father, true, but her mother is Chinese and she was
born in Canada.

Remind me again when freedom of movement to and from Canada was enforced
by the EU?

And whether or not as a commonwealth member the rules for Canadian
immigrants were changed by Brexit?

You really are *pathetic*.

[Clive Page]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma Raducanu, has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant to the UK.  How fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in order to make sure that such things cannot happen again.   We'll all be the better for it won't we?

No, I hadn't noticed that at all,
She has a Romanian father, true, but her mother is Chinese and she was born in Canada.
Remind me again when freedom of movement to and from Canada was enforced by the EU?
And whether or not as a commonwealth member the rules for Canadian immigrants were changed by Brexit?
You really are *pathetic*.

Thank you for that endorsement.

You may not realise that it is citizenship which determines one's right to settle in this country, and not the last country of residence. So as a Romanian he had the right to come here to live and work and indeed to bring in his family too. Anyone who is a citizen of Romania, or any other EU country except the Irish Republic, now trying to do the same doesn't have that right. I expect you voted for it, I didn't.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Clive Page
You may not realise that it is citizenship which determines one's right
to settle in this country, and not the last country of residence.  So as
a Romanian he had the right to come here to live and work and indeed to
bring in his family too.  Anyone who is a citizen of Romania, or any
other EU country except the Irish Republic, now trying to do the same
doesn't have that right.  I expect you voted for it, I didn't.

He was a Canadian citizen at the time.

Idiot.

[Nick Odell]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 18:57:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Clive Page
You may not realise that it is citizenship which determines one's right
to settle in this country, and not the last country of residence.  So as
a Romanian he had the right to come here to live and work and indeed to
bring in his family too.  Anyone who is a citizen of Romania, or any
other EU country except the Irish Republic, now trying to do the same
doesn't have that right.  I expect you voted for it, I didn't.

He was a Canadian citizen at the time.

Canada doesn't require one to revoke other citizenships. He was a
Romanian


Nick

[Andrew]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Clive Page

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma
Raducanu, has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant
to the UK.  How fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in
order to make sure that such things cannot happen again.   We'll all
be the better for it won't we?

No, I hadn't noticed that at all,
She has a Romanian father, true, but her mother is Chinese and she was
born in Canada.
Remind me again when freedom of movement to and from Canada was enforced
by the EU?
And whether or not as a commonwealth member the rules for Canadian
immigrants were changed by Brexit?
You really are *pathetic*.

Yes but if she had lost, the BBC would let us all know what her
background was.

[Alex]

Post by Clive Page

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma Raducanu,
has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant to the UK. How
fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in order to make sure that
such things cannot happen again.

That’s bullshit/

Post by Clive Page
We'll all be the better for it won't we?
--
Clive Page

[Peeler]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 19:45:34 +1000, Alex, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

[Bob Eager]

Post by Clive Page

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties in
Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma
Raducanu, has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant to
the UK. How fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in order to
make sure that such things cannot happen again. We'll all be the
better for it won't we?

We'll import them from Afrca instead. c.f. Zola Budd.

[JNugent]

Post by Clive Page

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Has anyone else noticed that this teenage tennis champion, Emma
Raducanu, has a father from Romania who is a fairly recent immigrant to
the UK.  How fortunate that 51% of us voted to leave the EU in order to
make sure that such things cannot happen again.

The family immigrated from *Canada* to the UK.

That movement is fairly well-known in both directions and has nothing to
do with the EU.

[R Souls]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

You've made abundantly clear your opinion of the BBC, so why are you
watching it? And I bet you don't pay the license fee.

I'm surprised you can receive it where you live.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Seems the flags etc were dished out by musicians protesting that Brexit
had made things very difficult for them - as regards working in the EU.

So yet another big earner for the UK messed up by Brexit. The list goes on
and on.

Oddly, it was all sweetness and light that Brexiteers promised us. But
then they all seem to be as stupid as Doom.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges,...

Why would they need to? Those with better education were more likely to
support remaining and I suspect also are more likely to be promenaders.
They won't have changed their views just because a small majority
outvoted them at the referendum.

Seems the flags etc were dished out by musicians protesting that Brexit
had made things very difficult for them - as regards working in the EU.

It seems it was a crowdfunding affair. See
<https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/euflags>.

"The flags were very visible on the TV and got reported by the media not
just in the UK but other European counties (sic) as well."

It was so well supported that they have made, so far, £1651 from 84
supporters. That's taken only 6 weeks! If that's a sign of success, I
wonder what would be considered a failure. Still they're planning to do
the same at the 2022 proms, it appears.

[Andrew]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

I did think it odd that all the EU flags were identical.
Bill

???. All the flags of a similar nationality were identical.

I saw a few wearing EU 'headgear' but that's it.

[JNugent]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

I did think it odd that all the EU flags were identical.
Bill

???.  All the flags of a similar nationality were identical.
I saw a few wearing EU 'headgear' but that's it.

It was more than a few.

[Andrew]

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

I did think it odd that all the EU flags were identical.
Bill

???.  All the flags of a similar nationality were identical.
I saw a few wearing EU 'headgear' but that's it.

It was more than a few.

Massively outnumbered by Union flags. It's still on
the iPlayer. Watch it again.

[JNugent]

Post by Andrew

Post by JNugent

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

I did think it odd that all the EU flags were identical.

???.  All the flags of a similar nationality were identical.
I saw a few wearing EU 'headgear' but that's it.

It was more than a few.

Massively outnumbered by Union flags.

So it *should* be.

The display of the Union Jack (and other "favours" in red, white and
blue) is a totally traditional feature of the LNOTP and has precisely
*nothing* to do with contemporary political disagreements and controversy.

It's about music, not puerile political posturing.

Post by Andrew
It's still on the iPlayer. Watch it again.

No thanks. I've seen it (and heard it).

[tony sayer]

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Right!

Having attended this event and having got to the venue quite early there
were around 4 or so people outside giving EU flags and leaflets away!
There was No one there giving flags out other then those people
certainly no one from the BBC!, in fact i do not recall seeing anyone
with a BBC badge or pass on, there were a few tech staff up in a
partitioned off section of the Gallery at the top and there was a
partitioned off OB van section outside. This was an OB event and that
work is done by other contractors no vans around with the BBC written on
them!.

I had a chat with one of the Pro EU people giving the flags away they
were in general getting a warmish welcome for being there. No one that i
saw was giving away Union Jack flags.

So to state that the BBC "orchestrated" this is poppycock, it really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

In the audience that i saw there were quite a few Asian people and being
based up in the gallery area they were really enjoying themselves
perhaps enjoying the fact that here in the UK we do still have more
freedoms than some other states and places!

I had a Brazilian lady friend with me who was very surprised that the UK
public could enjoy themselves and weren't so inhibited as she though
they were! Great event yes!, bit Jingoistic fantastic atmosphere and
bloody loud when the old Organ is flat out and the audience with
them!...

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by tony sayer

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Right!
Having attended this event and having got to the venue quite early there
were around 4 or so people outside giving EU flags and leaflets away!
There was No one there giving flags out other then those people
certainly no one from the BBC!, in fact i do not recall seeing anyone
with a BBC badge or pass on, there were a few tech staff up in a
partitioned off section of the Gallery at the top and there was a
partitioned off OB van section outside. This was an OB event and that
work is done by other contractors no vans around with the BBC written on
them!.
I had a chat with one of the Pro EU people giving the flags away they
were in general getting a warmish welcome for being there. No one that i
saw was giving away Union Jack flags.
So to state that the BBC "orchestrated" this is poppycock, it really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

That not how it works, Tony.

When some years ago I attended a recording of 'Question Time' it was
significant how many 'questions' came from people with London accents.

The the point where Dimbledum actually asked whether one questioner was
local. She wasnt.

After the recording had ended, a whole group got into a minibus with
London plates on and drive off.


How it works is that the beeb has its own activists who pass the word
along to other well funded activists, who then flood the cameras and
monopolise events with pre prepared marketing collateral - flags hats
and T shirts and so on - in order to give a vastly different view of
what is going on, to the national audience.
All the Beeb then has to do is for its left leaning camera monkeys to
focus on that group rather than anyone else...

The Remoaner/Left is well funded, well organised and a very visible and
vocal but very small minority. Carefully presented to make itself look
much large than it is, to capture the narrative and drive the political
agenda.

Come referendum time they couldn't believe they were actually a small
minority, and they still don't

Post by tony sayer
In the audience that i saw there were quite a few Asian people and being
based up in the gallery area they were really enjoying themselves
perhaps enjoying the fact that here in the UK we do still have more
freedoms than some other states and places!
I had a Brazilian lady friend with me who was very surprised that the UK
public could enjoy themselves and weren't so inhibited as she though
they were! Great event yes!, bit Jingoistic fantastic atmosphere and
bloody loud when the old Organ is flat out and the audience with
them!...

As usual what happens at an event, and how it is portrayed in the media
are two very different things.

[charles]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by tony sayer

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Right!
Having attended this event and having got to the venue quite early there
were around 4 or so people outside giving EU flags and leaflets away!
There was No one there giving flags out other then those people
certainly no one from the BBC!, in fact i do not recall seeing anyone
with a BBC badge or pass on, there were a few tech staff up in a
partitioned off section of the Gallery at the top and there was a
partitioned off OB van section outside. This was an OB event and that
work is done by other contractors no vans around with the BBC written on
them!.
I had a chat with one of the Pro EU people giving the flags away they
were in general getting a warmish welcome for being there. No one that i
saw was giving away Union Jack flags.
So to state that the BBC "orchestrated" this is poppycock, it really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

That not how it works, Tony.
When some years ago I attended a recording of 'Question Time' it was
significant how many 'questions' came from people with London accents.

Question Time is a totally BBC organised event. The audience tickets are
not on public sale.

[JNugent]

Post by charles

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by tony sayer

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Right!
Having attended this event and having got to the venue quite early there
were around 4 or so people outside giving EU flags and leaflets away!
There was No one there giving flags out other then those people
certainly no one from the BBC!, in fact i do not recall seeing anyone
with a BBC badge or pass on, there were a few tech staff up in a
partitioned off section of the Gallery at the top and there was a
partitioned off OB van section outside. This was an OB event and that
work is done by other contractors no vans around with the BBC written on
them!.
I had a chat with one of the Pro EU people giving the flags away they
were in general getting a warmish welcome for being there. No one that i
saw was giving away Union Jack flags.
So to state that the BBC "orchestrated" this is poppycock, it really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

That not how it works, Tony.
When some years ago I attended a recording of 'Question Time' it was
significant how many 'questions' came from people with London accents.

Question Time is a totally BBC organised event. The audience tickets are
not on public sale.

I thought that QT was nowadays an independent production? Not that it
matters - those in control of QT have ways of sounding out audience
members during the pre-broadcast warm-up.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by JNugent

Post by charles

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by tony sayer

Post by Cursitor Doom
Anyone else notice how the BBC packed the audience out with EU-flag
waving quislings/placemen/stooges, just like they do extreme Lefties
in Question Time?

Right!
Having attended this event and having got to the venue quite early there
were around 4 or so people outside giving EU flags and leaflets away!
There was No one there giving flags out other then those people
certainly no one from the BBC!, in fact i do not recall seeing anyone
with a BBC badge or pass on, there were a few tech staff up in a
partitioned off section of the Gallery at the top and there was a
partitioned off OB van section outside. This was an OB event and that
work is done by other contractors no vans around with the BBC written on
them!.
I had a chat with one of the Pro EU people giving the flags away they
were in general getting a warmish welcome for being there. No one that i
saw was giving away Union Jack flags.
So to state that the BBC "orchestrated"  this is poppycock, it
really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

That not how it works, Tony.
When some years ago I attended a recording of 'Question Time' it was
significant how many 'questions' came from people with London accents.

Question Time is a totally BBC organised event. The audience tickets are
not on public sale.

I thought that QT was nowadays an independent production? Not that it
matters - those in control of QT have ways of sounding out audience
members during the pre-broadcast warm-up.

its more that a few people in key positions in the beeb are able to tell
people where and when to turn up and get them tickets and make sure they
get featured and locals do not.

it doesn't have to be top down policy

[Bob Eager]

Post by tony sayer
So to state that the BBC "orchestrated" this is poppycock, it really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

He does; he's just toxic.

[Andrew]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by tony sayer
So to state that the BBC "orchestrated" this is poppycock, it really is
and I'd have thought Cursitor you might have known better!.

He does; he's just toxic.

I hear that Andrew Neil has jumped overboard at GB News. I thought
he would stay longer but there we are. Hope he was wearing a
life jacket.

Also Piers Morgan is going to work for Murdoch !!!.