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walter radke/alter is full of bullshit in the ToS plagiarism debacle
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Dagon Productions
2004-11-05 02:45:18 UTC
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Most interesting... I've been receiving email bits and pieces from ToS
ex-members... that
are starting to put the puzzle together... basically that walter
radke/alter is a lying sack of
shit.

From the ToS past, the rite involved in this plagiarism debacle was
only posted to a
site that walter maintained, from what I gather the rest of the ToS
really didn't have
much to do with posting the rite, diseminating it, etc.

walters site archived on the wayback machine...

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.xeper.org/smirror/mirror04.html

Which proves that the rite was first published to the net in 2001.

From an email I rec'd:

" This is a documentation of The Rite of TEZCATLIPOCA
(smoking mirror)and CINTEOTL (god/dess of
corn)executed Tuesday evening 1/18/00.
The intent of this rite is to evoke both TEZCATLIPOCA
and CINTEOTL to amplify the manifesting will of the
mage.
The design of this rite was wonderfully
synchronistic and spontaneous... Although, the
directional callings had been used in a previous rite
to TECATLIPOCA, we found the callings very appropriate
to the ends we seeked. Feel free to use any or all of
the steps indicated in this rite for your own glorious
purposes...."

So here in a ToS document, we find whoever the author is
admitting that they took material from a rite of mine... and not
giving credit. It also points to walter radke/alter being a
liar since the rite was performed in 2000 and not 1994 like
walter previously stated.

So the satanic reds harbor obvious liars... why should anyone
believe anything else walter states when he has been caught in
so many lies in regards to this incident? And why do the satanic
reds keep such an obvious liar as a member?

-Douglas
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Mailman
2004-11-08 18:44:26 UTC
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The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of the
hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.

Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt. Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too? Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one. Let's see
if we can sort this out. The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
each write and
perform a ritual. Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with the
Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again and
shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's. Why is this so hard to grasp? It's all elementary
Left Hand Path business
as usual shit. Dug apparently finds it hard to cope with living among
satanists and keeping their
little ups and downs in perspective, you know Dug, the madhouse
kalleidoscope perspective. Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a little
compulsive psychotic
stew.

The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager. Dug
can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.

Please post.

Walter
Dagon Productions
2004-11-09 01:38:01 UTC
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Post by Mailman
The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates
walter keeps making shit up to cover his lying ass. Please post the
google url where Bonnie's
testimony indicates when the rite was performed. The email of Bonnies
that was
posted is below:

" Hello, all-

I'm sending a copy of this back to you, Mick, as
Walter didn't leave me an e-mail addy in his message.
I'll be dropping him a postcard instead.

Mr Grant- I didn't write that ritual, nor am I in any
way claiming to have. I am not sure where the
association came from for Mr. Radke, except perhaps
within the context of my contributions towards some
Aztec rites that aanother fellow initiate was working
on (Mr. Craig Hunt, if I remember correctly) during
our time in Smoking Mirror Pylon together.

I hope this clears up any confusion on the matter. I
apologise for any inconvenience that the lateness of
my reply might have caused.

Bonnie Henderson-WInnie"
Sr. ARGM"

This is the only testimony that has been posted coming
from Bonnie.

Now walter once again attempts to put forth the big lie
and say the rite was originated in 1994, when the following
missive was found in the archive of an ex-ToS member who
was also a member of the Smoking Mirror Pylon for a time:

"This is a documentation of The Rite of TEZCATLIPOCA
(smoking mirror)and CINTEOTL (god/dess of
corn)executed Tuesday evening 1/18/00.
The intent of this rite is to evoke both TEZCATLIPOCA
and CINTEOTL to amplify the manifesting will of the
mage.
The design of this rite was wonderfully
synchronistic and spontaneous... Although, the
directional callings had been used in a previous rite
to TECATLIPOCA, we found the callings very appropriate
to the ends we seeked. Feel free to use any or all of
the steps indicated in this rite for your own glorious
purposes...."

Interesting that the design was of the
rite was synchronistic and spontaneous
over a 6 year time period.

Try again walter mitty/radke/alter.
Post by Mailman
altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of the
hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.
Bonnie basically stated that she did not write it but that you must be
confused.
Thus far walter you have provided no evidence whatsoever that she was the
author.
Post by Mailman
Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt.
I have no issue with any other ToS rites... as they did not plagiarize
my work.
Post by Mailman
Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too?
Because I know the author is Craig Hunt... pretty simple walter.
Post by Mailman
Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one.
Of which I have not contested. You think all this peripheral crap will
sway anyone from seeing that you are lying?
Post by Mailman
Let's see
if we can sort this out. The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
each write and
perform a ritual.
And this was back in 1994? Why is there no documentation showing the rite
orginated then... why is there no documentation with the authors name on
it?
Strange that a rite, most likely conceived in
the year 2000 curiously showsup on your website in the year 2001?
Post by Mailman
Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with the
Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again and
shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's.
And what year was this Conclave held?
Post by Mailman
Why is this so hard to grasp?
It is easy to grasp that you are lying and obfuscating and providing zero
evidence to back up any claim you have made.
Post by Mailman
It's all elementary
Left Hand Path business
as usual shit. Dug apparently finds it hard to cope with living among
satanists and keeping their
little ups and downs in perspective, you know Dug, the madhouse
kalleidoscope perspective. Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a little
compulsive psychotic
stew.
Nothing psychotic or compulsive about needling a liar like you that
backpedels, and apparently does not have access or remember the
ToS docs that have been passed on to me by ex-ToS members.
Post by Mailman
The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager. Dug
can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.
Please post.
Walter
walter... I'll pass on kissing any part of you or make any amorous moves
whatsover... esp. considering you obviously suffer from poor hygiene
if your ass stinks.

So the situation carries on, I'll be sure to post any further
developments as
information comes in.

-Douglas
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Harry Lime
2004-11-09 03:11:37 UTC
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Dear Walter:

At last post, I thought you were "going to spend a lot more time here in
alt.satanism" showing up those that disagree with your assertions that Doug
is a liar. Of course, I guess you've been busy lately patching up your
relationship with the ToS and other assorted loonies like Tani and the
LaRouchies. Everybody needs hobbies. Goodie for you. You might want to
Post by Mailman
The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of
the hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.
Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt. Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too? Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one. Let's see
if we can sort this out. The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that
we each write and
perform a ritual. Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was
next with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with
the Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again
and shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's. Why is this so hard to grasp? It's all elementary
Left Hand Path business
as usual shit.
What is "elementary" is that you haven't provided an iota of anything
resembling *proof* that Doug is a liar as you've claimed in earlier posts.
About all I've seen here is you jumping on here whining about org. crap that
no one cares much about trying to demonstrate that you didn't give Tani
plagiarized material.

Dug apparently finds it hard to cope with living among
Post by Mailman
satanists and keeping their
little ups and downs in perspective, you know Dug, the madhouse
kalleidoscope perspective.
So was the "kalleidoscope perspective" what got you booted out of the ToS?
Was it the acid or the 'shrooms? Just curious. LOL.
Post by Mailman
Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a
little compulsive psychotic
stew.
Riigght... But you and Tani have nothing resembling an "agenda" do you?
LOL!
Post by Mailman
The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager.
Dug can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.
Boy, you do have issues. Then again, sans people with major psychiatric
challenges alt.satanism would be pretty dull. Glad to see you Walt. Herb
Marcuse, Lyndon LaRouche, and Velikovsky all send their regards.

Regards,

Harry Lime
Post by Mailman
Please post.
Walter
Kori Houghton
2004-11-09 19:39:03 UTC
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Post by Mailman
The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of the
hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.
You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
Post by Mailman
Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt. Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too? Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one. Let's see
if we can sort this out.
TMI, TMI. Ha, I really doubt that Douglas cares who wrote what in
your Pylon. The question is: who is the plagiarist? Other than
that, I'm guessing the rest of the story is IDGAF.
Post by Mailman
The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
each write and
perform a ritual.
Wow! Hey, that's some religion -- giving people "assignment[s]" to
compose and perform ritual. Ya know, that's really, like, plastic.
Post by Mailman
Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with the
Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again and
shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's.
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
Post by Mailman
Why is this so hard to grasp?
Oh, it's not "hard to grasp" at all.
Post by Mailman
It's all elementary
Left Hand Path business
as usual shit.
Fershur.
Post by Mailman
Dug apparently finds it hard to cope with living among
satanists and keeping their
little ups and downs in perspective,
What happened to the propaganda from the TOSsers that "the elect"
ain't "satanists" no more?
Post by Mailman
you know Dug, the madhouse
kalleidoscope perspective.
You know, Falter, the overgrown kiddies looking for someone to tell
them how to think, give them asignments, and choose their friends for
them.
Post by Mailman
Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a little
compulsive psychotic
stew.
Pffftttt! And you're here drooling as you wait to suck up every drop,
right?
Post by Mailman
The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager. Dug
can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.
Well, Doug was spot on with the title of this thread.
Post by Mailman
Please post.
Walter
Feel better now, Falter? We'll tell your handlers that you done good.

Kori
Dagon Productions
2004-11-11 02:10:37 UTC
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Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of the
hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.
You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
Something that doesn't add up is the ToS documentation of the rite
admits that
they used my material... and walter either doesn't remember, or has
been lying
the whole time. I lean toward the latter explanation.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt. Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too? Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one. Let's see
if we can sort this out.
TMI, TMI. Ha, I really doubt that Douglas cares who wrote what in
your Pylon. The question is: who is the plagiarist? Other than
that, I'm guessing the rest of the story is IDGAF.
You got that right.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
each write and
perform a ritual.
Wow! Hey, that's some religion -- giving people "assignment[s]" to
compose and perform ritual. Ya know, that's really, like, plastic.
I guess tossers like walter need someone to lead them around by the
nose, tell them what to do, since they don't have the impetus to do it
of their own volition.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with the
Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again and
shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's.
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
Damn hilarious... and they call those not in the ToS "The World of
Horrors"... seems
they have their own set of horrors to deal with.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a little
compulsive psychotic
stew.
Pffftttt! And you're here drooling as you wait to suck up every drop,
right?
Such a psychotic agenda???... that I am curious to find out who exactly
plagiarized my
rite and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
author and
now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager. Dug
can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.
Well, Doug was spot on with the title of this thread.
It's not very hard to put walter the square peg in the right hole.


-Douglas
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Dagon Productions
2004-11-12 02:59:52 UTC
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Why the kookisar emailed this reply to me and walter I do not know... so
----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of bullshit in the ToS plagiarism
debacle
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|
|
| >
| >
| >
| >>The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own
testimony
| >>indicates altho she
| >>worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of
the
| >>hand, admitting that
| >>yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of
just
| >>standing around the
| >>Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living
room.
| >>
| >>
| >
| >You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
| >ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
| >
| >
|
| Something that doesn't add up is the ToS documentation of the rite
| admits that
| they used my material... and walter either doesn't remember, or has
| been lying
| the whole time. I lean toward the latter explanation.
You would think that due to what transpired. Walter probably in all honesty
forgot. That was the rite she handed in. Walter handed in his own, so did
the others.
This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.

If one does not remember a particular incident clearly... they should
not make
statements as though their memory is fact.
|
| >>The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
| >>each write and
| >>perform a ritual.
| >>
|
| I guess tossers like walter need someone to lead them around by the
| nose, tell them what to do, since they don't have the impetus to do it
| of their own volition.
The Pylon has people in it interested in the same thing. Someone decides
"let's all write up rituals." Nothing more to it.
When I was involved in an occult org... I just did it... didn't need
anyone to say
"let's all write up rituals"... I had the drive to do the research and
work and didn't
need anyone else to prompt me, etc.
|
| >>Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
| >>with the plagiarized
| >>ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with
the
| >>Flaying of Men. The
| >>Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again
and
| >>shortly after Craig
| >>and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's
ritual
| >>and Bill had a nervous
| >>breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
| >>Bill's significant other,
| >>got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
| >>check on phone sex, so we
| >>never got to Elana's.
| >>
| >HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
| >impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
| >violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
| >good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
| >Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
| >
| Damn hilarious... and they call those not in the ToS "The World of
| Horrors"... seems
| they have their own set of horrors to deal with.
You mean, they are all too human after all, like everyone else is. They
aren't the only organization to prattle on about elitism, electism,
chosenness - who also end up being all too human after all. Better is the
organization that never claims a thing about elitism and sees that kind of
duping for what it is.
I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
|
|
| Such a psychotic agenda???... that I am curious to find out who exactly
| plagiarized my
| rite
Bonnie did.
Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed
up anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst
he is a liar and
plagiarist.
and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
| author
He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
and
| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one in.
Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent. Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.

To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.

Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past?
Show us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.

-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-12 21:20:00 UTC
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Intended to post it. Hit wrong button. There is nothing kook about that.
There is nothing kook about what I wrote. There is a lot kook about your
behavior. See in. Walter will have to keep track of this shit himself -
since I'm not online that much anymore either.
Post by Dagon Productions
Why the kookisar emailed this reply to me and walter I do not know... so
----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of bullshit in the ToS plagiarism
debacle
|
|
|
| >
| >
| >
| >>The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own
testimony
| >>indicates altho she
| >>worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave
of the
| >>hand, admitting that
| >>yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of
just
| >>standing around the
| >>Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living
room.
| >>
| >>
| >
| >You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
| >ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
| >
| >
|
| Something that doesn't add up is the ToS documentation of the rite
| admits that
| they used my material... and walter either doesn't remember, or has
| been lying
| the whole time. I lean toward the latter explanation.
You would think that due to what transpired. Walter probably in all
honesty forgot. That was the rite she handed in. Walter handed in his
own, so did the others.
This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.
One that might be able to confirm it would be Hunt, since he headed the
pylon. He wrote his own ritual, keep that in mind, Walter wrote his own
ritual, too, keep that in mind. The question is then, WHO wrote the ritual
Walter says Bonnie wrote? Someone he better not mention online here?
Someone else?
Post by Dagon Productions
If one does not remember a particular incident clearly... they should not
make
statements as though their memory is fact.
True. Which is why I took it down before ANY evidence came forth one way or
the other. I did talk to Walter. He did NOT remember exactly, precisely,
at all. He does remember exactly what HE wrote - but not that precise on
what others did. He more or less remembered. You might find this hard to
believe, but if you left 100 bucks laying around and I knew it was yours and
knew you forgot about it, I'd not take it. Period. Not my style. I have
my reasons for that - and they don't necessarily have a thing to do with
ethics.
Post by Dagon Productions
|
| >>The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
| >>each write and
| >>perform a ritual.
| >>
|
| I guess tossers like walter need someone to lead them around by the
| nose, tell them what to do, since they don't have the impetus to do it
| of their own volition.
The Pylon has people in it interested in the same thing. Someone decides
"let's all write up rituals." Nothing more to it.
When I was involved in an occult org... I just did it... didn't need
anyone to say
"let's all write up rituals"... I had the drive to do the research and
work and didn't
need anyone else to prompt me, etc.
Good for you. When SR members inclined toward ceremonies and rituals wanted
some up there, one even writing an essay on the importance of ritual - I put
some up there and did put a call out to anyone else out there that had some
to contribute. And I wrote some. And some are jointly written by people.
But otherwise, very few responded or had a ritual of their own. But for
years, there were no rituals up there at all. Just becuase the founders
don't do rituals - doesn't mean that every other member doesn't. Some do.

When Walter came around and Hunt was online, the Teczat issue came up - with
some S. American Comrades being excited about seeing some of that stuff up
there. I asked them to write up some - but language was a big problem. I
got one thing from one of them, tho it sounds a bit political - it's ok.
Walter gave me three. One by him, one by Hunt and the other was UNSURE.
Brendan was doing the website, he put them up. I asked Walt to tell me who
did the unsure one. When he did give me the info, I put it in my file, on
the html - but Brendan never uploaded the revised one. Two people holding
files for a website is a bad idea, especially if one is very busy. Point
is, I have Brendan's CD of the whole site. On HIS file, there is no author
to the one with your stuff on it. In my computer, there is the information
on there about TOS Pylon.
Post by Dagon Productions
|
| >>Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
| >>with the plagiarized
| >>ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed
with the
| >>Flaying of Men. The
| >>Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed
again and
| >>shortly after Craig
| >>and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's
ritual
| >>and Bill had a nervous
| >>breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
| >>Bill's significant other,
| >>got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
| >>check on phone sex, so we
| >>never got to Elana's.
| >>
| >HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
| >impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
| >violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
| >good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
| >Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
| >
| Damn hilarious... and they call those not in the ToS "The World of
| Horrors"... seems
| they have their own set of horrors to deal with.
You mean, they are all too human after all, like everyone else is. They
aren't the only organization to prattle on about elitism, electism,
chosenness - who also end up being all too human after all. Better is the
organization that never claims a thing about elitism and sees that kind of
duping for what it is.
I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
True. And they don't want to be in the hotseat - isn't that obvious? You'd
have to contact Hunt and ask him 3 simple questions: 1. Who wrote this one
(the one Walt wrote). 2. Who wrote that one (the one Hunt wrote). and 3.
Who wrote this one (the one with your stuff). You'd have to just ask him
without a big preamble, without putting him on the defensive. Hmm, there
might be a super objective way to do that and get an honest, non-defensive
answer.

I do know that long before 2000 there was a whole Smoking Mirror thing in
the TOS because some people I knew mentioned it. Hunt was equating Tezcat
with Set in the early 90s. They saw the Aztec civilization as a LHP
civilization. I strongly disagreed with that whole line of thought and, at
the time, I had a big convo with an offline Setian about it in 1995 or so,
maybe earlier. It was later than 1992 because Andre Soly was deceased at
the time of the convo, recently deceased. He died in 1992. I remember
that. My contention is that such barbarically stupid practices are
quinessentially Christian in essense - in practice. My line is that people
pay far too much attention to what nice things Christians claim about
themselves and their beliefs - they ignore their actual real-life deeds -
which are pretty bad - as bad as those of the Aztecs. I stand by that right
now. Those people (Mexicans and such) to this day are especially bloody,
even when they reinact their Jesus crucifixion in their wacky ceremonies.
The entire ethos of suffering is, imo, Christian - maybe it stems from early
Hebrew - I'm not sure on that.
Post by Dagon Productions
|
|
| Such a psychotic agenda???... that I am curious to find out who exactly
| plagiarized my
| rite
Bonnie did.
Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed up
anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst he
is a liar and
plagiarist.
At worse, he has proven that his memory isn't all that exact on the issue -
but he has not proven that he plagiarised a thing. He wrote the ritual he
wrote - and that's the only one he wrote. He did not write one with your
stuff in it. His reaction to you was merely his reaction to YOU and what
you wrote. That you can't see that is astounding.
Post by Dagon Productions
and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
| author
He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
I have no reason to not believe him about HIS not taking your stuff. I've
seen things he's written. He doesn't have to plagiarise anyone. Hunt would
probably remember more precisely since he headed the pylon.
Post by Dagon Productions
and
| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one in.
Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent.
Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.
That might be very hard to do, unless Hunt comes forth and remembers more
precisely.
Post by Dagon Productions
To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.
Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past? Show
us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.
I can't show you a thing one way or the other, and I can't exactly email
Hunt and ask him. All I could do, and did do, was remove it immediately
before any proof one way or the other came forth. It was no problem.

I would be angry too, if someone stole my stuff. I was also very angry,
when an episode of "Monsters" had my story portrayed, very slightly altered,
but obviously my story right down to the imagery, a story that I showed a
few people decades before, asked them to never publish - but which they DID
show around in some underground apa. It was a tale about a cancer entity.
There was nothing I could do about it. And that involved quite a lot of
$$$$$ money.
Post by Dagon Productions
-Douglas
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Intended to post it. Hit wrong button. There is nothing kook about that.
There is nothing kook about what I wrote. There is a lot kook about your
behavior. See in. Walter will have to keep track of this shit himself -
since I'm not online that much anymore either.
When you have stated that you are done with me, are going to ignore me,
etc.
and keep reading and responding to my posts... pure kook behavior tani.

You have a hard time keeping up with what you say you are going to
do... why is that?... senility, drunkeness, medication, too much sun????
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
Why the kookisar emailed this reply to me and walter I do not know... so
----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of bullshit in the ToS plagiarism
debacle
|
|
|
| >
| >
| >
| >>The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own
testimony
| >>indicates altho she
| >>worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave
of the
| >>hand, admitting that
| >>yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of
just
| >>standing around the
| >>Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living
room.
| >>
| >>
| >
| >You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
| >ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
| >
| >
|
| Something that doesn't add up is the ToS documentation of the rite
| admits that
| they used my material... and walter either doesn't remember, or has
| been lying
| the whole time. I lean toward the latter explanation.
You would think that due to what transpired. Walter probably in all
honesty forgot. That was the rite she handed in. Walter handed in his
own, so did the others.
This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.
One that might be able to confirm it would be Hunt, since he headed the
pylon.
Yes, he might, but he obviously doesn't have much interest in the
issue... maybe one day
he will show up here again and I'll ask him... otherwise I'm not going
to bother him.
Post by Tani Jantsang
He wrote his own ritual, keep that in mind, Walter wrote his own
ritual, too, keep that in mind.
Lots of people in the ToS have written rituals... no big deal. The
interesting thing is
that this ritual has been published many times with no author attribution.
Post by Tani Jantsang
The question is then, WHO wrote the ritual
Walter says Bonnie wrote? Someone he better not mention online here?
Someone else?
Who knows, I'm still awaiting a ex or current ToS member to find
documentation
that has a authors name attached. As well as a date of origin. Thus
far the only
ToS documentation puts the origination in the year 2000, a full 6 years
past when
walter states the rite was originated. Interesting that walters story
doesn't jive with the
ToS ritual documentation and that walter can't put forth any evidence to
support his claims and accusations .
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
If one does not remember a particular incident clearly... they should not
make
statements as though their memory is fact.
True. Which is why I took it down before ANY evidence came forth one way or
the other. I did talk to Walter. He did NOT remember exactly, precisely,
at all. He does remember exactly what HE wrote - but not that precise on
what others did. He more or less remembered. You might find this hard to
believe, but if you left 100 bucks laying around and I knew it was yours and
knew you forgot about it, I'd not take it. Period. Not my style. I have
my reasons for that - and they don't necessarily have a thing to do with
ethics.
So it comes out now that walters memory is a bit difficient regarding
this incident...
interesting that he came on like his memory was solid and a fact...
which now you
provide a reason for his back pedaling and inability to support his take
on the
situation.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
|
| >>The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
| >>each write and
| >>perform a ritual.
| >>
|
| I guess tossers like walter need someone to lead them around by the
| nose, tell them what to do, since they don't have the impetus to do it
| of their own volition.
The Pylon has people in it interested in the same thing. Someone decides
"let's all write up rituals." Nothing more to it.
When I was involved in an occult org... I just did it... didn't need
anyone to say
"let's all write up rituals"... I had the drive to do the research and
work and didn't
need anyone else to prompt me, etc.
Good for you. When SR members inclined toward ceremonies and rituals wanted
some up there, one even writing an essay on the importance of ritual - I put
some up there and did put a call out to anyone else out there that had some
to contribute. And I wrote some. And some are jointly written by people.
But otherwise, very few responded or had a ritual of their own. But for
years, there were no rituals up there at all. Just becuase the founders
don't do rituals - doesn't mean that every other member doesn't. Some do.
When Walter came around and Hunt was online, the Teczat issue came up - with
some S. American Comrades being excited about seeing some of that stuff up
there. I asked them to write up some - but language was a big problem. I
got one thing from one of them, tho it sounds a bit political - it's ok.
Walter gave me three. One by him, one by Hunt and the other was UNSURE.
Brendan was doing the website, he put them up. I asked Walt to tell me who
did the unsure one. When he did give me the info, I put it in my file, on
the html - but Brendan never uploaded the revised one. Two people holding
files for a website is a bad idea, especially if one is very busy. Point
is, I have Brendan's CD of the whole site. On HIS file, there is no author
to the one with your stuff on it. In my computer, there is the information
on there about TOS Pylon.
So now we find out that at one time even walter was unsure of who
authored the
rite... but now he appears insistant that Bonnie did. Sounds sketchy, esp.
considering at one time walter was supposedly there when she wrote it.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
|
| >>Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
| >>with the plagiarized
| >>ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed
with the
| >>Flaying of Men. The
| >>Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed
again and
| >>shortly after Craig
| >>and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's
ritual
| >>and Bill had a nervous
| >>breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
| >>Bill's significant other,
| >>got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
| >>check on phone sex, so we
| >>never got to Elana's.
| >>
| >HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
| >impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
| >violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
| >good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
| >Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
| >
| Damn hilarious... and they call those not in the ToS "The World of
| Horrors"... seems
| they have their own set of horrors to deal with.
You mean, they are all too human after all, like everyone else is. They
aren't the only organization to prattle on about elitism, electism,
chosenness - who also end up being all too human after all. Better is the
organization that never claims a thing about elitism and sees that kind of
duping for what it is.
I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
True. And they don't want to be in the hotseat - isn't that obvious?
Tough titty for them now isn't it.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You'd
have to contact Hunt and ask him 3 simple questions: 1. Who wrote this one
(the one Walt wrote). 2. Who wrote that one (the one Hunt wrote). and 3.
Who wrote this one (the one with your stuff). You'd have to just ask him
without a big preamble, without putting him on the defensive. Hmm, there
might be a super objective way to do that and get an honest, non-defensive
answer.
So why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from you.
Post by Tani Jantsang
I do know that long before 2000 there was a whole Smoking Mirror thing in
the TOS because some people I knew mentioned it. Hunt was equating Tezcat
with Set in the early 90s. They saw the Aztec civilization as a LHP
civilization. I strongly disagreed with that whole line of thought and, at
the time, I had a big convo with an offline Setian about it in 1995 or so,
maybe earlier. It was later than 1992 because Andre Soly was deceased at
the time of the convo, recently deceased. He died in 1992. I remember
that. My contention is that such barbarically stupid practices are
quinessentially Christian in essense - in practice. My line is that people
pay far too much attention to what nice things Christians claim about
themselves and their beliefs - they ignore their actual real-life deeds -
which are pretty bad - as bad as those of the Aztecs. I stand by that right
now. Those people (Mexicans and such) to this day are especially bloody,
even when they reinact their Jesus crucifixion in their wacky ceremonies.
The entire ethos of suffering is, imo, Christian - maybe it stems from early
Hebrew - I'm not sure on that.
Aztec equals Xtrian in tanis book... more nutbar philosphical crap from
the kookisar.
Barbaric cruel practices are indicative of the human race, not just one
religion ya
quack.

Mexicans "wacky ceremonies"... such an understanding of their cultural
practices.
Actually I'd say the Mexican Day of the Dead festivities are a much more
practical and healthy way of dealing with death than the typical culture of
the USA.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
|
|
| Such a psychotic agenda???... that I am curious to find out who exactly
| plagiarized my
| rite
Bonnie did.
Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed up
anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst he
is a liar and
plagiarist.
At worse, he has proven that his memory isn't all that exact on the issue -
but he has not proven that he plagiarised a thing.
He has not proven he has not plagiarised any thing, much like he has not
proven that
Bonnie wrote the write and is the plagiariser.
Post by Tani Jantsang
He wrote the ritual he
wrote - and that's the only one he wrote.
The only ritual he ever wrote?
Post by Tani Jantsang
He did not write one with your
stuff in it.
Prove it.
Post by Tani Jantsang
His reaction to you was merely his reaction to YOU and what
you wrote. That you can't see that is astounding.
I can see that walter possibly didn't remember exactly what happened and
made shit up in the meantime.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
| author
He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
I have no reason to not believe him about HIS not taking your stuff. I've
seen things he's written. He doesn't have to plagiarise anyone. Hunt would
probably remember more precisely since he headed the pylon.
All of a sudden walter has a shitty memory... but you believe him anyway.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
and
| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one in.
Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent.
Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.
That might be very hard to do, unless Hunt comes forth and remembers more
precisely.
Hard to do because it isn't true most likely.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.
Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past? Show
us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.
I can't show you a thing one way or the other, and I can't exactly email
Hunt and ask him. All I could do, and did do, was remove it immediately
before any proof one way or the other came forth. It was no problem.
And why can't you email Craig. Because of hateful things you did to him
in the past?
Post by Tani Jantsang
I would be angry too, if someone stole my stuff. I was also very angry,
when an episode of "Monsters" had my story portrayed, very slightly altered,
but obviously my story right down to the imagery, a story that I showed a
few people decades before, asked them to never publish - but which they DID
show around in some underground apa. It was a tale about a cancer entity.
There was nothing I could do about it. And that involved quite a lot of
$$$$$ money.
The funny thing is that I'm not angry... heh, yes, it's fucked up but
considering how many people are fuckups in the world, it's no
surprise.

You could have actually sued, but we know you don't have the
funds to such since you never follow through on your threats to
do so.

-Douglas
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2004-11-14 06:03:03 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Intended to post it. Hit wrong button. There is nothing kook about that.
There is nothing kook about what I wrote. There is a lot kook about your
behavior. See in. Walter will have to keep track of this shit himself -
since I'm not online that much anymore either.
When you have stated that you are done with me, are going to ignore me,
etc.
and keep reading and responding to my posts... pure kook behavior tani.
You have a hard time keeping up with what you say you are going to
do... why is that?... senility, drunkeness, medication, too much sun????
It's called having too much tolerance. Way too much. I am cc'ing this to
Walter, lest he choose to reply. I get on here days later, see it, maybe
reply. Too easy going. Libeling me does you no good.
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.
One that might be able to confirm it would be Hunt, since he headed the
pylon.
Yes, he might, but he obviously doesn't have much interest in the issue...
maybe one day
he will show up here again and I'll ask him... otherwise I'm not going to
bother him.
He has apparently distanced himself from all satanism, from what I've heard.
Post by Dagon Productions
Lots of people in the ToS have written rituals... no big deal. The
interesting thing is
that this ritual has been published many times with no author attribution.
Post by Tani Jantsang
The question is then, WHO wrote the ritual Walter says Bonnie wrote?
Someone he better not mention online here? Someone else?
Who knows, I'm still awaiting a ex or current ToS member to find
documentation
that has a authors name attached. As well as a date of origin. Thus far
the only
ToS documentation puts the origination in the year 2000, a full 6 years
past when
walter states the rite was originated. Interesting that walters story
doesn't jive with the
ToS ritual documentation and that walter can't put forth any evidence to
support his claims and accusations .
Post by Tani Jantsang
True. Which is why I took it down before ANY evidence came forth one way
or the other. I did talk to Walter. He did NOT remember exactly,
precisely, at all. He does remember exactly what HE wrote - but not that
precise on what others did. He more or less remembered. You might find
this hard to believe, but if you left 100 bucks laying around and I knew
it was yours and knew you forgot about it, I'd not take it. Period. Not
my style. I have my reasons for that - and they don't necessarily have a
thing to do with ethics.
So it comes out now that walters memory is a bit difficient regarding this
incident...
interesting that he came on like his memory was solid and a fact... which
now you
provide a reason for his back pedaling and inability to support his take
on the
situation.
Post by Tani Jantsang
When Walter came around and Hunt was online, the Teczat issue came up -
with some S. American Comrades being excited about seeing some of that
stuff up there. I asked them to write up some - but language was a big
problem. I got one thing from one of them, tho it sounds a bit
political - it's ok. Walter gave me three. One by him, one by Hunt and
the other was UNSURE. Brendan was doing the website, he put them up. I
asked Walt to tell me who did the unsure one. When he did give me the
info, I put it in my file, on the html - but Brendan never uploaded the
revised one. Two people holding files for a website is a bad idea,
especially if one is very busy. Point is, I have Brendan's CD of the
whole site. On HIS file, there is no author to the one with your stuff on
it. In my computer, there is the information on there about TOS Pylon.
So now we find out that at one time even walter was unsure of who authored
the
rite... but now he appears insistant that Bonnie did. Sounds sketchy, esp.
considering at one time walter was supposedly there when she wrote it.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
True. And they don't want to be in the hotseat - isn't that obvious?
Tough titty for them now isn't it.
Post by Tani Jantsang
this one (the one Walt wrote). 2. Who wrote that one (the one Hunt
wrote). and 3. Who wrote this one (the one with your stuff). You'd have
to just ask him without a big preamble, without putting him on the
defensive. Hmm, there might be a super objective way to do that and get
an honest, non-defensive answer.
So why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from you.
Likewise, why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from
you. I have no idea how to contact him via email - I don't have his email
and never did. It's not my issue or busines to contact the man about it.
At all. I know he had to have seen it when it was up on the SR site because
HIS WAS ALSO there (which he said OK to).
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Post by Tani Jantsang
I do know that long before 2000 there was a whole Smoking Mirror thing in
the TOS because some people I knew mentioned it. Hunt was equating Tezcat
with Set in the early 90s. They saw the Aztec civilization as a LHP
civilization. I strongly disagreed with that whole line of thought and,
at the time, I had a big convo with an offline Setian about it in 1995 or
so, maybe earlier. It was later than 1992 because Andre Soly was deceased
at the time of the convo, recently deceased. He died in 1992. I remember
that. My contention is that such barbarically stupid practices are
quinessentially Christian in essense - in practice. My line is that
people pay far too much attention to what nice things Christians claim
about themselves and their beliefs - they ignore their actual real-life
deeds - which are pretty bad - as bad as those of the Aztecs. I stand by
that right now. Those people (Mexicans and such) to this day are
especially bloody, even when they reinact their Jesus crucifixion in their
wacky ceremonies. The entire ethos of suffering is, imo, Christian - maybe
it stems from early Hebrew - I'm not sure on that.
Aztec equals Xtrian in tanis book... more nutbar philosphical crap from
the kookisar.
Barbaric cruel practices are indicative of the human race, not just one
religion ya
quack.
I'm not a kook or a quack for having an opinion. You are a neurotic kook
for being incapable of grasping that people hold to various opinions, some
of them drastically at odds with your own opinions. Self torture and the
inflicting of torture for religious purposes - imo - is pathological and
sick. Most of the people that do such things are from southern European or
Latin cultures, some Amerindians, some African cultures and the like. When
some Slavs did such things (they were in a christian cult) even the Czar
thought they were mentally insane people. I agree with that assessment.
It's no different from people cutting themselves - a problem seen among some
people today. They are sick. Aztecs, even according to the great Toynbee,
were too savagely barbaric to even be considered a civilization. I agree.
I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and Victor taking a
razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd have a hard time
seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting injuries to their bodies
like that without intervening. I have a hard time imagining Blanche, Peter
or Peggy doing anything like that - and can be pretty sure that they too
would regard people that do it as crazy. But of course, you did do it.
Ergo, you are crazy. You also stuck a needle in your arm. Ergo, you are
crazy. That is my opinion. That opinion is shared by a great majority of
very ordinary normal people. There is, in essence, no difference between
the horrendous tortures done to the human body by the Inquisition and the
sick shit done to the human body by these primitive Aztecs. I won't get
into the arguments about "body ornamentation" or tattoing or any of that. I
won't get into the arguments about brutal spontaneous fighting between
enemies, either, or some secret police trying to make a prisoner of war talk
or any of that. Bloody torture is bloody torture. People that want to do
it to others and/or to themselves are sick, sick, sick, sick and religions
that promoted that kind of suffering have an ethos of suffering and self
wounding. Yes, I think they are sick. And again, the great majority of
very ordinary and normal people in the world share that opinion with me.
You are the kook. Not I. I'm quite ordinary.
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Mexicans "wacky ceremonies"... such an understanding of their cultural
practices.
Actually I'd say the Mexican Day of the Dead festivities are a much more
practical and healthy way of dealing with death than the typical culture of
the USA.
Think what you want, I won't argue what you think because I don't care what
you think. You are entitled to an opinion about what they do. If you like
it so much, go there and participate. I was referring to their reenactments
of the crucifixtion of Jesus - literal reenaction. I could care less what
you think of it. You apparently are bothered enough about what I think of
it to libel me or call me names for having an OPINION. You are no free
thinker. Don't try to pass yourself off as one, not ever. Anyone that
disagrees with your views on such matters is a kook? No, only a kook would
even think that.
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Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed
up anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst he
is a liar and
plagiarist.
At worse, he has proven that his memory isn't all that exact on the
issue - but he has not proven that he plagiarised a thing.
He has not proven he has not plagiarised any thing, much like he has not
proven that
Bonnie wrote the write and is the plagiariser.
You know what? I won't comment on that. You want to see kook? Look in the
mirror. Craig Hunt is a cop in Oregon or Washington. It shouldn't be to
hard to find him. Call him up and ask him who wrote the rituals. I'm sure
he'd love to hear from you. You are going on and on about this, on
alt.satanism, no less, where there is no one here that can answer anything
about it. And yes, I'm way too fucking tolerant. I tend to forget too fast
what kind of people I'm dealing with on here.
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He wrote the ritual he wrote - and that's the only one he wrote.
The only ritual he ever wrote?
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He did not write one with your stuff in it.
Prove it.
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His reaction to you was merely his reaction to YOU and what you wrote.
That you can't see that is astounding.
I can see that walter possibly didn't remember exactly what happened and
made shit up in the meantime.
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and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
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He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
I have no reason to not believe him about HIS not taking your stuff. I've
seen things he's written. He doesn't have to plagiarise anyone. Hunt
would probably remember more precisely since he headed the pylon.
All of a sudden walter has a shitty memory... but you believe him anyway.
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and
| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one
in. Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent.
Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.
That might be very hard to do, unless Hunt comes forth and remembers more
precisely.
Hard to do because it isn't true most likely.
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To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.
Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past? Show
us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.
I can't show you a thing one way or the other, and I can't exactly email
Hunt and ask him. All I could do, and did do, was remove it immediately
before any proof one way or the other came forth. It was no problem.
And why can't you email Craig. Because of hateful things you did to him
in the past?
Email him? I don't even know his email I did nothing to Craig in the past.
Brendan may have online only, but Craig did hateful things to Brendan
online - FIRST. That is how that went down. Despite claims to the contrary,
I never did a THING to Hunt - and had I done what bs that went around back
then, HE would have been the one that went to the cops. Instead, I went to
the cops. Fancy that. That is what happened. It's your issue, your
ritual. You want to know who wrote it? Ask Hunt.
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I would be angry too, if someone stole my stuff. I was also very angry,
when an episode of "Monsters" had my story portrayed, very slightly
altered, but obviously my story right down to the imagery, a story that I
showed a few people decades before, asked them to never publish - but
which they DID show around in some underground apa. It was a tale about a
cancer entity. There was nothing I could do about it. And that involved
quite a lot of $$$$$ money.
The funny thing is that I'm not angry... heh, yes, it's fucked up but
considering how many people are fuckups in the world, it's no
surprise.
You could have actually sued, but we know you don't have the
funds to such since you never follow through on your threats to
do so.
I could not possibly sue. The story was in notes almost, readable as a
story, but more or less in outline form, not copyrighted at all, it didn't
even say "copyright" on there in typing and it was a decade later that I
even saw that it was on a TV show. They could say it was "different enough"
to be a separate story. It's not so easy to sue for something like that, as
you think. Uh, when I have gone to the authorities (in fact, I did that
regarding Hunt once), I have done so and not told a single soul I did so -
the person eventually gets to find out. For instance, finding a lawyer that
deals with internet "libel per se" is not that easy. They are out there -
but where is another matter. I'm not exactly pursueing this as if it's a
matter of life or death - because it's not. I've got a lot nicer things,
pleasant things, to pursue that often sidetrack anything negative that falls
my way. What you think I have in funds is what you think - and that stays
in your own head and exists only in your head. That it's even an issue you
bring up as if it matters to you, I find quite amazing.

Yes, I'm way too GOD DAMNED tolerant.

Have a nice day.
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Intended to post it. Hit wrong button. There is nothing kook about that.
There is nothing kook about what I wrote. There is a lot kook about your
behavior. See in. Walter will have to keep track of this shit himself -
since I'm not online that much anymore either.
When you have stated that you are done with me, are going to ignore me,
etc.
and keep reading and responding to my posts... pure kook behavior tani.
You have a hard time keeping up with what you say you are going to
do... why is that?... senility, drunkeness, medication, too much sun????
It's called having too much tolerance. Way too much. I am cc'ing this to
Walter, lest he choose to reply. I get on here days later, see it, maybe
reply. Too easy going. Libeling me does you no good.
So it's tolerance huh? Why make such ludicris statements to begin with,
it only adds
to your kook factor. And considering some of tanis posts here and her
tendency to
make proclamations and then not stick to them... senility, drunkeness,
medication
could be valid explanations... otherwise we can consider mental illness.

So is tani walters new messenger service for alt.satanism?
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This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.
One that might be able to confirm it would be Hunt, since he headed the
pylon.
Yes, he might, but he obviously doesn't have much interest in the issue...
maybe one day
he will show up here again and I'll ask him... otherwise I'm not going to
bother him.
He has apparently distanced himself from all satanism, from what I've heard.
I'll believe it when I read it first hand from Craig.
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Lots of people in the ToS have written rituals... no big deal. The
interesting thing is
that this ritual has been published many times with no author attribution.
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The question is then, WHO wrote the ritual Walter says Bonnie wrote?
Someone he better not mention online here? Someone else?
Who knows, I'm still awaiting a ex or current ToS member to find
documentation
that has a authors name attached. As well as a date of origin. Thus far
the only
ToS documentation puts the origination in the year 2000, a full 6 years
past when
walter states the rite was originated. Interesting that walters story
doesn't jive with the
ToS ritual documentation and that walter can't put forth any evidence to
support his claims and accusations .
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True. Which is why I took it down before ANY evidence came forth one way
or the other. I did talk to Walter. He did NOT remember exactly,
precisely, at all. He does remember exactly what HE wrote - but not that
precise on what others did. He more or less remembered. You might find
this hard to believe, but if you left 100 bucks laying around and I knew
it was yours and knew you forgot about it, I'd not take it. Period. Not
my style. I have my reasons for that - and they don't necessarily have a
thing to do with ethics.
So it comes out now that walters memory is a bit difficient regarding this
incident...
interesting that he came on like his memory was solid and a fact... which
now you
provide a reason for his back pedaling and inability to support his take
on the
situation.
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When Walter came around and Hunt was online, the Teczat issue came up -
with some S. American Comrades being excited about seeing some of that
stuff up there. I asked them to write up some - but language was a big
problem. I got one thing from one of them, tho it sounds a bit
political - it's ok. Walter gave me three. One by him, one by Hunt and
the other was UNSURE. Brendan was doing the website, he put them up. I
asked Walt to tell me who did the unsure one. When he did give me the
info, I put it in my file, on the html - but Brendan never uploaded the
revised one. Two people holding files for a website is a bad idea,
especially if one is very busy. Point is, I have Brendan's CD of the
whole site. On HIS file, there is no author to the one with your stuff on
it. In my computer, there is the information on there about TOS Pylon.
So now we find out that at one time even walter was unsure of who authored
the
rite... but now he appears insistant that Bonnie did. Sounds sketchy, esp.
considering at one time walter was supposedly there when she wrote it.
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I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
True. And they don't want to be in the hotseat - isn't that obvious?
Tough titty for them now isn't it.
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this one (the one Walt wrote). 2. Who wrote that one (the one Hunt
wrote). and 3. Who wrote this one (the one with your stuff). You'd have
to just ask him without a big preamble, without putting him on the
defensive. Hmm, there might be a super objective way to do that and get
an honest, non-defensive answer.
So why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from you.
Likewise, why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from
you. I have no idea how to contact him via email - I don't have his email
and never did.
I don't know if Craig would be all that happy to hear from me and me asking
him to get into a brouhaha that tani and walter are involved in. I
don't have
his email address either but I'm sure attempting one of the email
addresses in
google. may turn up an active email account.
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It's not my issue or busines to contact the man about it.
At all. I know he had to have seen it when it was up on the SR site because
HIS WAS ALSO there (which he said OK to).
For often as tani cries that others stick their noses into others business
(and for which I've pointed out is a ridiculous notion regarding
public forums such as usenet) why is tani involving herself in
this thread that really has nothing to do with her? Now she
can either admit she is sticking her nose in others business,
which she has apparently abhors or admit that I have been
correct all along and there is no "sticking ones nose into
others peoples business" if they post it to a public
forum. Which is it tani?
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I do know that long before 2000 there was a whole Smoking Mirror thing in
the TOS because some people I knew mentioned it. Hunt was equating Tezcat
with Set in the early 90s. They saw the Aztec civilization as a LHP
civilization. I strongly disagreed with that whole line of thought and,
at the time, I had a big convo with an offline Setian about it in 1995 or
so, maybe earlier. It was later than 1992 because Andre Soly was deceased
at the time of the convo, recently deceased. He died in 1992. I remember
that. My contention is that such barbarically stupid practices are
quinessentially Christian in essense - in practice. My line is that
people pay far too much attention to what nice things Christians claim
about themselves and their beliefs - they ignore their actual real-life
deeds - which are pretty bad - as bad as those of the Aztecs. I stand by
that right now. Those people (Mexicans and such) to this day are
especially bloody, even when they reinact their Jesus crucifixion in their
wacky ceremonies. The entire ethos of suffering is, imo, Christian - maybe
it stems from early Hebrew - I'm not sure on that.
Aztec equals Xtrian in tanis book... more nutbar philosphical crap from
the kookisar.
Barbaric cruel practices are indicative of the human race, not just one
religion ya
quack.
I'm not a kook or a quack for having an opinion.
As they say, opinions are like assholes...everybody has one...
so tani, you are not a kook because you have an opinion,
you are simply a kook with an opinion.
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You are a neurotic kook
for being incapable of grasping that people hold to various opinions, some
of them drastically at odds with your own opinions.
I am perfectly able to grasp that people hold various opinions and that
many
are at complete odds with my own. Though certain peoples opinions shine a
light on their mental state, intelligence and ability to reason like
your own.
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Self torture and the
inflicting of torture for religious purposes - imo - is pathological and
sick.
Ahh, the anti-body modification rhetoric... to inflict pain on one self
is not necessarily
torture and quite often the pain is transcended via excitatory trance
states... so
the act actually becomes quite ecstatic.
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Most of the people that do such things are from southern European or
Latin cultures, some Amerindians, some African cultures and the like. When
some Slavs did such things (they were in a christian cult) even the Czar
thought they were mentally insane people. I agree with that assessment.
Well, considering that pain induced trance and initiatory states have
a history in Shamanism worldwide with no ties to xtrianity whatsoever,
I'd say you are spouting shite once again.
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It's no different from people cutting themselves - a problem seen among some
people today. They are sick. Aztecs, even according to the great Toynbee,
were too savagely barbaric to even be considered a civilization.
Again tani shows off her ignorance of Aztec culture. tani has swallowed
the
popular media and literature propaganda that the Aztecs were just a blood
thirsty warrior race, when their culture pursued poetry, philosophy
and artistic techniques far beyond that which those with only a
cursory knowledge of Aztec culture are aware of.
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I agree.
I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and Victor taking a
razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd have a hard time
seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting injuries to their bodies
like that without intervening. I have a hard time imagining Blanche, Peter
or Peggy doing anything like that - and can be pretty sure that they too
would regard people that do it as crazy. But of course, you did do it.
Have you ever had your ears pierced? Ever had a sun tan? Worked out
and built
up your muscles... all body modification techniques that are most
acceptable to
society today. And surprisingly even tattooing and piercings which have
been
practiced by various religions and shamanistic cultures since the
beginning of
mankind. To write off anyone that has indulged in body piercing or body
modification as crazy only goes to reveal your ignorance and prudery.

And yes, I did do it... serious useful techniques to gaining trance states
not easily accessed otherwise.
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Ergo, you are crazy.
Not at all and I can intelligently discuss the reasons why it is not
considered crazy, have discussed it with psychologists/therapists,
etc. and they did not find it crazy... as I have solid logical and
sound technique reasons for why I experimented with such
techniques.
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You also stuck a needle in your arm. Ergo, you are
crazy. That is my opinion. That opinion is shared by a great majority of
very ordinary normal people.
Not crazy at all... but not surprising you would find such behavior
so... it doesn't
fit into your POV so it must be wrong/crazy, etc. And oh yes, since the
majority
of very normal ordinary people find it crazy must make it so... just
like the
majority that thinks MacDonalds makes a great hamburger. I love how
tani sides with the herd to attempt to make her sad point.
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There is, in essence, no difference between
the horrendous tortures done to the human body by the Inquisition and the
sick shit done to the human body by these primitive Aztecs.
Quite a bit of difference and only the ignorant would think otherwise.
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I won't get
into the arguments about "body ornamentation" or tattoing or any of that.
I know you won't because such a discussion of facts would gut your
argument.
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I
won't get into the arguments about brutal spontaneous fighting between
enemies, either, or some secret police trying to make a prisoner of war talk
or any of that. Bloody torture is bloody torture.
Again I know you won't... because your argument would fall flat on it's
face...
torture by the secret police does not equate with Shamanistic
initiation practices.
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People that want to do
it to others and/or to themselves are sick, sick, sick, sick and religions
that promoted that kind of suffering have an ethos of suffering and self
wounding. Yes, I think they are sick. And again, the great majority of
very ordinary and normal people in the world share that opinion with me.
You are the kook. Not I. I'm quite ordinary.
An ordinary kook is what you are tani. And heh... I'm not down with the
ethos of suffering whatsoever... and as pointed out, quite often pain
induced trance states do not equal suffering... usually the opposite...
ecstasy.
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Mexicans "wacky ceremonies"... such an understanding of their cultural
practices.
Actually I'd say the Mexican Day of the Dead festivities are a much more
practical and healthy way of dealing with death than the typical culture of
the USA.
Think what you want, I won't argue what you think because I don't care what
you think.
Than why are you engaging with me on the subject?
I realize you don't care what I think... because no matter how wrong you are
you will just cover your ears and scream "I can't hear you."
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You are entitled to an opinion about what they do.
At least my opinions are based in facts unlike your own prejudiced
rhetoric.
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If you like
it so much, go there and participate.
I have.
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I was referring to their reenactments
of the crucifixtion of Jesus - literal reenaction.
Well, that is more Catholicism than Mexican. Funny how you want to
ignore the rites that are more indigenous to the culture.
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I could care less what
you think of it. You apparently are bothered enough about what I think of
it to libel me or call me names for having an OPINION.
Nothing to be bothered about... just showing up the local blowhard kook of
alt.satanism, tani jantsang, for her unsubstantiated nutbar opinions.
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You are no free
thinker. Don't try to pass yourself off as one, not ever. Anyone that
disagrees with your views on such matters is a kook? No, only a kook would
even think that.
Not at all... I've changed my POV many times when confronted with
information
that is more solid than what I've encountered previously... unlike you
I don't
let the cognitive dissonance drive me batty enough to go on pages long rants
attempting to justify to myself that my POV is the only correct one.

tani, you are a kook not because you have differing opinions but because
you
show a certain lack of being able to be objective about your own
behavior...
it's really that simple.
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Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed
up anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst he
is a liar and
plagiarist.
At worse, he has proven that his memory isn't all that exact on the
issue - but he has not proven that he plagiarised a thing.
He has not proven he has not plagiarised any thing, much like he has not
proven that
Bonnie wrote the write and is the plagiariser.
You know what? I won't comment on that. You want to see kook? Look in the
mirror. Craig Hunt is a cop in Oregon or Washington. It shouldn't be to
hard to find him. Call him up and ask him who wrote the rituals. I'm sure
he'd love to hear from you. You are going on and on about this, on
alt.satanism, no less, where there is no one here that can answer anything
about it. And yes, I'm way too fucking tolerant. I tend to forget too fast
what kind of people I'm dealing with on here.
Why don't you urge walter to contact Craig? You sidestep that walter is
making the
accusations but is not proving any of them with any evidence whatsoever.
It's
obvious it's a needle in the side of walter and I'll continue to wiggle
that needle
for as long as it amuses me and gets you to crank out more kook crap
like you
do here.
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He wrote the ritual he wrote - and that's the only one he wrote.
The only ritual he ever wrote?
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He did not write one with your stuff in it.
Prove it.
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His reaction to you was merely his reaction to YOU and what you wrote.
That you can't see that is astounding.
I can see that walter possibly didn't remember exactly what happened and
made shit up in the meantime.
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and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
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He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
I have no reason to not believe him about HIS not taking your stuff. I've
seen things he's written. He doesn't have to plagiarise anyone. Hunt
would probably remember more precisely since he headed the pylon.
All of a sudden walter has a shitty memory... but you believe him anyway.
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| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one
in. Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent.
Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.
That might be very hard to do, unless Hunt comes forth and remembers more
precisely.
Hard to do because it isn't true most likely.
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To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.
Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past? Show
us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.
I can't show you a thing one way or the other, and I can't exactly email
Hunt and ask him. All I could do, and did do, was remove it immediately
before any proof one way or the other came forth. It was no problem.
And why can't you email Craig. Because of hateful things you did to him
in the past?
Email him? I don't even know his email I did nothing to Craig in the past.
Brendan may have online only, but Craig did hateful things to Brendan
online - FIRST. That is how that went down. Despite claims to the contrary,
I never did a THING to Hunt - and had I done what bs that went around back
then, HE would have been the one that went to the cops. Instead, I went to
the cops. Fancy that. That is what happened. It's your issue, your
ritual. You want to know who wrote it? Ask Hunt.
Heh... it's my issue, so why are you wasting time piping in about it?

I'm happy to wait and see if walter can provide any evidence to support
any of
accusations and lies. He's the one with his pants down in this
situation... and
if he doesn't come up something he will ever look the fool.
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I would be angry too, if someone stole my stuff. I was also very angry,
when an episode of "Monsters" had my story portrayed, very slightly
altered, but obviously my story right down to the imagery, a story that I
showed a few people decades before, asked them to never publish - but
which they DID show around in some underground apa. It was a tale about a
cancer entity. There was nothing I could do about it. And that involved
quite a lot of $$$$$ money.
The funny thing is that I'm not angry... heh, yes, it's fucked up but
considering how many people are fuckups in the world, it's no
surprise.
You could have actually sued, but we know you don't have the
funds to such since you never follow through on your threats to
do so.
I could not possibly sue. The story was in notes almost, readable as a
story, but more or less in outline form, not copyrighted at all, it didn't
even say "copyright" on there in typing and it was a decade later that I
even saw that it was on a TV show.
Movies producers have been sued with only a mentioning of an idea being the
only evidence.
Post by Tani Jantsang
They could say it was "different enough"
to be a separate story.
If it met the legal definition of being "different enough" then you lose.
Post by Tani Jantsang
It's not so easy to sue for something like that, as
you think. Uh, when I have gone to the authorities (in fact, I did that
regarding Hunt once), I have done so and not told a single soul I did so -
the person eventually gets to find out. For instance, finding a lawyer that
deals with internet "libel per se" is not that easy. They are out there -
but where is another matter. I'm not exactly pursueing this as if it's a
matter of life or death - because it's not. I've got a lot nicer things,
pleasant things, to pursue that often sidetrack anything negative that falls
my way. What you think I have in funds is what you think - and that stays
in your own head and exists only in your head. That it's even an issue you
bring up as if it matters to you, I find quite amazing.
Yes, I'm way too GOD DAMNED tolerant.
Have a nice day.
It's an issue to bring up to poke you with... as it obviously bothers
you... you
parade your emotional buttons here on alt.silly regularly... which IMHO only
an idiot would do... but you let people know what gets your panties in a
wad,
pushes your buttons, etc.... so quit being so damned stupid and stop crying
about it when it happens.

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Harry Lime
2004-11-16 03:55:32 UTC
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Please see inside text:


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I agree. I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and
Victor taking a razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd
have a hard time seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting
injuries to their bodies like that without intervening. I have a hard
time imagining Blanche, Peter or Peggy doing anything like that - and can
be pretty sure that they too would regard people that do it as crazy.
But of course, you did do it.
Amazing how this looney still thinks about me. I wonder if her recent
departure from this group has anything to do with Mr. Swick? LOL.

Regards,

Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz
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Nomen Nescio
2004-11-19 04:10:03 UTC
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I agree. I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and
Victor taking a razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd
have a hard time seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting
injuries to their bodies like that without intervening. I have a hard
time imagining Blanche, Peter or Peggy doing anything like that - and can
be pretty sure that they too would regard people that do it as crazy.
But of course, you did do it.
Amazing how this looney still thinks about me. I wonder if her recent
departure from this group has anything to do with Mr. Swick? LOL.
It ain't amazing since you and your pals always like to try to gang up on her and do your usual shit. LOLOLOL the fact is that Slick Swick ain't been online since October 22, 2004 after getting into some stupid spats with another Mason named Craftworker and yapping more about how Freemasons ain't devil worshippers to yet *another* person who knows a person that used to be a Mason that turned Christian and the same old story. So many Masons, high rankers too, that quit and turn real Christian always think that and say that. The only defense the Masons have is to deny it to another former high ranking Mason, or call the guy stupid or a kook (but he wasn't stupid or a kook when he was part of the Masons as a high ranking Mason, LOLOL) I ain't never heard a Elk Club member say that the Elks were satanic devil worshippers after they got born again. There is nothing in the Elks that would make anyone think that.

Fact is, if the Masons didn't have all that religious hoorah hoohaw doodad shit and were *really* just a social club like the Knights of Columbus or the Elks no one would get such notions about them. If they didn't used to be pretty powerful as an org and get involved in some conspiracy type stuff, no one would think it. Seems more like they ask for it by acting all seeekrit and shiat and sticking all that stupid bullshit about old testament characters and Egyptian distortions into their *craft*. The Elks and other honestly social clubs don't do anything like that.

Uh, while I'm at it, Harrie - there is nothing loonie or kooky about Tani bringing you *and other pals* of Douggie up in that context. Fact is, no matter what the Satanic Bibble has to say about free love, we all know that uncle anton hated gay guys and Blanche wasn't too secret about it.

Now answer the fucking question, you old pervert. Would you take a razor blade to yourself and cut yourself up? Would you drill holes in your peter? Would you sit back and let one of your kids go off and do things like that to themselves? Would you think there was something seriously wrong if your kids got into that kind of thing? Answer the question. Don't lie. Would you let your kids try crack or heroin?

Druggie can go off and yap yap all he wants about shamanic trances that some people do, not all, and that would be people that are actually raised in those kinds of cultures - no matter where they are, no matter what city or country they are in and no matter which culture (they ain't all the same). Fact is, Drouggie is a wasp from an anglo culture and is a protestant by birth and nurture and parentage and upbringing. He is not an ethnic with ethnic culture. He ain't even Italian. Surely, you can understand that a person born in some Hispanic culture where everyone he ever knew was Santeria and he was raised in that is gonna be a lot differnt from some wasp get-into that tries it out for size because he's bored to death with his own shit and has to try to get into shit that ain't his own. And we know that only some lame brained tired wasp would even think that nomadic type cultures are dependent on location of the people that are actually of that culture. That would incl
ude lame brain tired wasp get-intos that are raised in the Mormon cult, like Joey Slick. They can't get outside of that cult or outside their own lame tired shit no matter how hard they try and no matter what they study. It just amounts to more "white man talking shit and feeling his usual nothing."

Comparing digging holes in the peter to going out in the sun is the comparison of a bona fide kook. Drouggie doesn't realize that lots of people go out in the sun, work in the sun, live where it's sunny. Healthy people are going to get tan from it. That why we got melanin. Nature put that there. That don't mean nothing. Pain is pain, plane and simple. T is right on with that. Some people get tendon disease from typing at a job everyday. The smart ones quit the job and stop typing. That still ain't the same as digging holes in the peter or sticking needles in the arm with drugs.

Do you know what Mao once said or wrote? He said that you gotta be Chinese to be a Maoist. Now what could he have meant by that? I know what he meant.
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Harry Lime
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Post by Harry Lime
I agree. I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and
Victor taking a razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd
have a hard time seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting
injuries to their bodies like that without intervening. I have a hard
time imagining Blanche, Peter or Peggy doing anything like that - and can
be pretty sure that they too would regard people that do it as crazy.
But of course, you did do it.
Amazing how this looney still thinks about me. I wonder if her recent
departure from this group has anything to do with Mr. Swick? LOL.
It ain't amazing since you and your pals always like to try to gang up on her and do your usual shit. LOLOLOL the fact is that Slick Swick ain't been online since October 22, 2004 after getting into some stupid spats with another Mason named Craftworker and yapping more about how Freemasons ain't devil worshippers to yet *another* person who knows a person that used to be a Mason that turned Christian and the same old story. So many Masons, high rankers too, that quit and turn real Christian always think that and say that. The only defense the Masons have is to deny it to another former high ranking Mason, or call the guy stupid or a kook (but he wasn't stupid or a kook when he was part of the Masons as a high ranking Mason, LOLOL) I ain't never heard a Elk Club member say that the Elks were satanic devil worshippers after they got born again. There is nothing in the Elks that would make anyone think that.
Fact is, if the Masons didn't have all that religious hoorah hoohaw doodad shit and were *really* just a social club like the Knights of Columbus or the Elks no one would get such notions about them. If they didn't used to be pretty powerful as an org and get involved in some conspiracy type stuff, no one would think it. Seems more like they ask for it by acting all seeekrit and shiat and sticking all that stupid bullshit about old testament characters and Egyptian distortions into their *craft*. The Elks and other honestly social clubs don't do anything like that.
Now nomeo is going on a full on kook rant... no mistaking this... a two
line statement on
Harry's part starts the nomeo kook on a over 50 sentence kookfest.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Uh, while I'm at it, Harrie - there is nothing loonie or kooky about Tani bringing you *and other pals* of Douggie up in that context. Fact is, no matter what the Satanic Bibble has to say about free love, we all know that uncle anton hated gay guys and Blanche wasn't too secret about it.
What's "free love" and "gays" have to do with anything here?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Now answer the fucking question, you old pervert. Would you take a razor blade to yourself and cut yourself up?
Yes, it's called scarification and has been practiced throughout history as
well as in modern and present times. It's called body modification,
nothing
that shocking about it... 20 years ago it was still shocking but it's as
plain as pierced ears now.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Would you drill holes in your peter?
Hmm... I've not heard of anyone drilling a hole in their "peter" (how
old are you?)

Genital piercings have proven through history to be quite enjoyable for
both sexual partners.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Would you sit back and let one of your kids go off and do things like that to themselves? Would you think there was something seriously wrong if your kids got into that kind of thing?
Not at all, as long as it was done in a sterile, medically clean
environment.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Answer the question. Don't lie.
No need to. Why lie when I can tell the truth and show you up with your
own
ignorance.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Would you let your kids try crack or heroin?
I'd not recommend it and point out the reasons why. But in the long run
people, and
that includes anyones own children, will do what they want to do.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Druggie can go off and yap yap all he wants about shamanic trances that some people do, not all, and that would be people that are actually raised in those kinds of cultures - no matter where they are, no matter what city or country they are in and no matter which culture (they ain't all the same).
If you know so much about me, what is my cultural heritage. How much
you want to bet you
won't come close.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Fact is, Drouggie is a wasp from an anglo culture and is a protestant by birth and nurture and parentage and upbringing. He is not an ethnic with ethnic culture. He ain't even Italian.
Hmmm... my great grandfather came emigrated to the USA as an adult...
want to try and guess where from?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Surely, you can understand that a person born in some Hispanic culture where everyone he ever knew was Santeria and he was raised in that is gonna be a lot differnt from some wasp get-into that tries it out for size because he's bored to death with his own shit and has to try to get into shit that ain't his own.
Actually having lived in Barrio neighborhoods in So. California, I can
attest that I knew infinitely
more about Santeria than the majority of people living in proximity to
the local Botanica. In
fact the local Botanica kicked whitey's out if they didn't know specific
things about the
practices of Santeria. I was helped out happily with my purchases.

Not boredom, curiousity... Santeria/Voudon is one of the worlds few
religions that still
practice ritual sacrifice as well as ritual Invocation/Possession.
Post by Nomen Nescio
And we know that only some lame brained tired wasp would even think that nomadic type cultures are dependent on location of the people that are actually of that culture. That would incl
ude lame brain tired wasp get-intos that are raised in the Mormon cult, like Joey Slick. They can't get outside of that cult or outside their own lame tired shit no matter how hard they try and no matter what they study. It just amounts to more "white man talking shit and feeling his usual nothing."
How about providing some reseach to back up such kookheaded comments up.
Don't
expect anyone to take a kook like yours word on such a loaded subject.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Comparing digging holes in the peter to going out in the sun is the comparison of a bona fide kook. Drouggie doesn't realize that lots of people go out in the sun, work in the sun, live where it's sunny. Healthy people are going to get tan from it. That why we got melanin. Nature put that there. That don't mean nothing.
Excessive tanning is no different than a crusty punk with ten piercings
in his face... overkill.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Pain is pain, plane and simple. T is right on with that.
So stay ignorant... martial artists, yogis, doctors and many more
intelligent
than you will ever be will disagree with you.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Some people get tendon disease from typing at a job everyday. The smart ones quit the job and stop typing. That still ain't the same as digging holes in the peter or sticking needles in the arm with drugs.
And some people get allergies and then get needles stuck in their arms
on a weekly
basis and then their allergies are no longer a problem.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Do you know what Mao once said or wrote? He said that you gotta be Chinese to be a Maoist. Now what could he have meant by that? I know what he meant.
The question is how do you think with only two rocks calling themselves
a brain
in your head?

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2004-11-19 06:42:28 UTC
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I agree. I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and
Victor taking a razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd
have a hard time seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting
injuries to their bodies like that without intervening. I have a hard
time imagining Blanche, Peter or Peggy doing anything like that - and can
be pretty sure that they too would regard people that do it as crazy.
But of course, you did do it.
Amazing how this looney still thinks about me. I wonder if her recent
departure from this group has anything to do with Mr. Swick? LOL.
It ain't amazing since you and your pals always like to try to gang up on
her and do your usual shit. LOLOLOL the fact is that Slick Swick ain't
been online since October 22, 2004 after getting into some stupid spats
with another Mason named Craftworker and yapping more about how Freemasons
ain't devil worshippers to yet *another* person who knows a person that
used to be a Mason that turned Christian and the same old story.
On the other hand, we haven't seen much of the 'Tard of Turania either. Is
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
Post by Nomen Nescio
So many Masons, high rankers too, that quit and turn real Christian always
think that and say that. The only defense the Masons have is to deny it to
another former high ranking Mason, or call the guy stupid or a kook (but he
wasn't stupid or a kook when he was part of the Masons as a high ranking
Mason, LOLOL) I ain't never heard a Elk Club member say that the Elks were
satanic devil worshippers after they got born again. There is nothing in
the Elks that would make anyone think that.
That wasn't the question. Gotta wonder if Tani has retreated to the Turanian
homeworld because of Swick. I don't really care much about the Masons,
frankly. What is funny is that until very recently, Tani claimed some sort
of occult/satanic tie with this organization. Now she just posts behind
anonymous remailers. LOL!
Post by Nomen Nescio
Fact is, if the Masons didn't have all that religious hoorah hoohaw doodad
shit and were *really* just a social club like the Knights of Columbus or
the Elks no one would get such notions about them. If they didn't used to
be pretty powerful as an org and get involved in some conspiracy type
stuff, no one would think it. Seems more like they ask for it by acting
all seeekrit and shiat and sticking all that stupid bullshit about old
testament characters and Egyptian distortions into their *craft*. The
Elks and other honestly social clubs don't do anything like that.
This is relevant because?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Uh, while I'm at it, Harrie - there is nothing loonie or kooky about Tani
bringing you *and other pals* of Douggie up in that context. Fact is, no
matter what the Satanic Bibble has to say about free love, we all know
that uncle anton hated gay guys and Blanche wasn't too secret about it.
Glad you could bring up Anton LaVey on cue. The timing is, well, amazing
and predictable. What do I care what LaVey cared about gays? Perhaps you
should be concerned with Tani's position shooting illegal Mexican immigrants
at the border, gassing Jews, turning in innocent Marxists to the FBI and
other jewels from her Usenet hit parade. Would you like more examples?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Now answer the fucking question, you old pervert. Would you take a razor
blade to yourself and cut yourself up? Would you drill holes in your
peter? Would you sit back and let one of your kids go off and do things
like that to themselves? Would you think there was something seriously
wrong if your kids got into that kind of thing? Answer the question.
Don't lie. Would you let your kids try crack or heroin?
What does your questioning my views personal behavior have to do with this
thread? People have been modifying their bodies for a very long time for
various and sundry reasons. As long as they're adults, doing it to
themselves, and not forcing it on anyone, what business is it of yours or
mine? I wouldn't want my children to try crack or heroin any more than I
would want them to start having illegitimate children starting at the age of
16 in New Joisey, thank you. Of course this is just a thinly veiled slam
against Doug's piercing his putz and past substance abuse. It takes a lot
more *magick* to stop using heroin and have a successful business than it
does posting as a simpering anon-boi via dizdumb.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Druggie can go off and yap yap all he wants about shamanic trances that
some people do, not all, and that would be people that are actually raised
in those kinds of cultures - no matter where they are, no matter what city
or country they are in and no matter which culture (they ain't all the
same). Fact is, Drouggie is a wasp from an anglo culture and is a
protestant by birth and nurture and parentage and upbringing. He is not
an ethnic with ethnic culture. He ain't even Italian. Surely, you can
understand that a person born in some Hispanic culture where everyone he
ever knew was Santeria and he was raised in that is gonna be a lot
differnt from some wasp get-into that tries it out for size because he's
bored to death with his own shit and has to try to get into shit that
ain't his own. And we know that only some lame brained tired wasp would
even think that nomadic type cultures are dependent on location of the
people that are actually of that culture. That would incl
ude lame brain tired wasp get-intos that are raised in the Mormon cult,
like Joey Slick. They can't get outside of that cult or outside their own
lame tired shit no matter how hard they try and no matter what they study.
It just amounts to more "white man talking shit and feeling his usual
nothing."
Of course, that wouldn't include whites from New Joisey would it? Funny how
once Tani Jansen (or is it "Jantsang"?) left her self-admitted Catholic
baptism she suddenly became Turanian and Turk. Amazing what a diseased mind
can do to one's self-apperception. Nice to see that Tani is still
attracting racists -- this time those against Wasps.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Comparing digging holes in the peter to going out in the sun is the
comparison of a bona fide kook. Drouggie doesn't realize that lots of
people go out in the sun, work in the sun, live where it's sunny. Healthy
people are going to get tan from it.
You forget that no one ever got cancer from piercing their penis, they have
from excessive tanning. Which is worse, smartypants?
Post by Nomen Nescio
hat why we got melanin. Nature put that there. That don't mean nothing.
Pain is pain, plane and simple. T is right on with that. Some people get
tendon disease from typing at a job everyday. The smart ones quit the job
and stop typing. That still ain't the same as digging holes in the peter
or sticking needles in the arm with drugs.
Gee, thanks for the science lesson on pain. Guess you've never heard of
endomorphins?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Do you know what Mao once said or wrote? He said that you gotta be
Chinese to be a Maoist. Now what could he have meant by that? I know
what he meant.
Really? You an Asian-Puce-Hat-Llama-Void-Yoga-Marxist-with-a-Little-Red-Book
from New Joisey? LOL!

Regards,

Harry Lime
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Regards,
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Harry Lime
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My my, what exagerrated ideas you have about something that is such a big load of nothing that it should have been flushed weeks ago. So the big bad psiops led TOS took small parts of Druggies ritual and performed it. It must have been part of that MK Ultra Conspiracy or something. You fucking twerps act like you just won the war against terrorism, LOLOLOL. Get real you stupid fucks.
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Post by Harry Lime
I agree. I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and
Victor taking a razor and cutting themselves up. If they have kids, I'd
have a hard time seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting
injuries to their bodies like that without intervening. I have a hard
time imagining Blanche, Peter or Peggy doing anything like that - and can
be pretty sure that they too would regard people that do it as crazy.
But of course, you did do it.
Amazing how this looney still thinks about me. I wonder if her recent
departure from this group has anything to do with Mr. Swick? LOL.
It ain't amazing since you and your pals always like to try to gang up on
her and do your usual shit. LOLOLOL the fact is that Slick Swick ain't
been online since October 22, 2004 after getting into some stupid spats
with another Mason named Craftworker and yapping more about how Freemasons
ain't devil worshippers to yet *another* person who knows a person that
used to be a Mason that turned Christian and the same old story.
On the other hand, we haven't seen much of the 'Tard of Turania either. Is
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
What are you, going blind from doing those perverted things or something? She just posted that faq or whatever the fuck that information is and posted to some other guy. Maybe she has nothing to say to the "asshole drone gang" on here. You don't have the ability to think, from what I can see. You just spin and spin, twirl around and around, make up more shit and then believe it. You're fucking nuts.
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Post by Nomen Nescio
So many Masons, high rankers too, that quit and turn real Christian always
think that and say that. The only defense the Masons have is to deny it to
another former high ranking Mason, or call the guy stupid or a kook (but he
wasn't stupid or a kook when he was part of the Masons as a high ranking
Mason, LOLOL) I ain't never heard a Elk Club member say that the Elks were
satanic devil worshippers after they got born again. There is nothing in
the Elks that would make anyone think that.
That wasn't the question. Gotta wonder if Tani has retreated to the Turanian
homeworld because of Swick.
Seems more like Slick Joey retreated back to his slimehole. He's the one that's gone, you blind moron.

I don't really care much about the Masons,
Post by Harry Lime
frankly. What is funny is that until very recently, Tani claimed some sort
of occult/satanic tie with this organization. Now she just posts behind
anonymous remailers. LOL!
Tani ain't posting anonymously. She just posted on here, what are you, blind? The posts say "Tani Jantsang" instead of "People's Commisar" on them. She never made more of that shit if someone asked her outright. How do I know that? I asked her once, long time ago. She told me. Just because you like to make more of it than it is, that's your spin. Your problem, too. Your "issue."

Fact is, some of those fucking morons get on chat rooms and try to recruit people to "go get Tani" and no one listens. Two of them posted here, guys, if you want to call them guys. Losers. Fucking morons. I heard of obsessions. But this is way more than that. Look in the mirror, you fucking stalker nutcase.
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Fact is, if the Masons didn't have all that religious hoorah hoohaw doodad
shit and were *really* just a social club like the Knights of Columbus or
the Elks no one would get such notions about them. If they didn't used to
be pretty powerful as an org and get involved in some conspiracy type
stuff, no one would think it. Seems more like they ask for it by acting
all seeekrit and shiat and sticking all that stupid bullshit about old
testament characters and Egyptian distortions into their *craft*. The
Elks and other honestly social clubs don't do anything like that.
This is relevant because?
Becuase I said so, moron. You mentioned Slick Joey. I told you what he was up to the last time he showed his face on usenet. What a waste of fucking time, his own time. Arguing with ex-Masons turned Christian. There is a whole lot in Freemasons that would lead anyone to think they are satanists or luciferian at least. Ask Crowley, he used to be a Mason, remember? You believe the tripe they tell you in public? LOLOLOL. Get a clue, they are a secret organization with secret shit and signs. Christisn churches don't even have that. Jewish synagogues don't even have that. Private clubs don't have it either and that's my point. They ain't just some private club. The exMasons that tell it are telling the truth.
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Uh, while I'm at it, Harrie - there is nothing loonie or kooky about Tani
bringing you *and other pals* of Douggie up in that context. Fact is, no
matter what the Satanic Bibble has to say about free love, we all know
that uncle anton hated gay guys and Blanche wasn't too secret about it.
Glad you could bring up Anton LaVey on cue.
You just avoided the fucking question.

The timing is, well, amazing
Post by Harry Lime
and predictable. What do I care what LaVey cared about gays?
Not the question. The question is this - would you slice yourself up with a razor or drill holes in your peter. Would you like it if your kids did that? That's the fucking question. I asked you the question, I didn't ask Druggie the question because he's brainfucked from years ago. He needs a reality check.

Perhaps you
Post by Harry Lime
should be concerned with Tani's position shooting illegal Mexican immigrants
at the border,
Shit, I'd do that too. So would a whole heep of Americans, especially the poor ranch owners that have to deal with the diseased shit that overflows the toilet called "the border." Why should I give a shit one way or the other what she or anyone else thinks about it? Why do you care?
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gassing Jews,
You got her confused with Filan on that one, moron.
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turning in innocent Marxists to the FBI and
From what I can see of those not so innocent "marxists" that were not Marxists at all, they deserved it, they asked for it, they provoked it. They accused her of doing that shit when she didn't do it - and so she went and did it. LOLOLOL. That's T. Not so long ago you and your pals were trashing the fuck out of those Micky Maoers and saying that for them to call anyone names is a compliment. Keep spinning, you old, wasted fucker. Ooops, wrong name. You ain't a fucker, your back is too weak and you are too fat for that kind of exercise. You are a sucker, a lame assed sucker.
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other jewels from her Usenet hit parade. Would you like more examples?
Who gives a fuck what you spin on that? So she flames people. You distort shit. The problem with you is that you have no face. You are a liar that believes his own lies.
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Now answer the fucking question, you old pervert. Would you take a razor
blade to yourself and cut yourself up? Would you drill holes in your
peter? Would you sit back and let one of your kids go off and do things
like that to themselves? Would you think there was something seriously
wrong if your kids got into that kind of thing? Answer the question.
Don't lie. Would you let your kids try crack or heroin?
What does your questioning my views personal behavior have to do with this
thread?
I asked you a fucking question. Answer it or shut the fuck up.

People have been modifying their bodies for a very long time for
Post by Harry Lime
various and sundry reasons. As long as they're adults, doing it to
themselves, and not forcing it on anyone, what business is it of yours or
mine?
Ditto that on Druggies hassling T or anyone else for having opinions against that kind of shit.

I wouldn't want my children to try crack or heroin any more than I
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would want them to start having illegitimate children starting at the age of
16 in New Joisey, thank you.
HA HA HA HA HA, T didn't have no kids in NJ. She made that shit up you fucking moron. But Zeena did have kids at the age of 14, LOLOL.

Of course this is just a thinly veiled slam
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against Doug's piercing his putz and past substance abuse. It takes a lot
more *magick* to stop using heroin and have a successful business than it
does posting as a simpering anon-boi via dizdumb.
I don't thinly veil anything. Druggie is a fucking nut that obsesses over fucking nothing, like the kOOk he is. And you are the guy up his asshole right now, for the moment.
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Druggie can go off and yap yap all he wants about shamanic trances that
some people do, not all, and that would be people that are actually raised
in those kinds of cultures - no matter where they are, no matter what city
or country they are in and no matter which culture (they ain't all the
same). Fact is, Drouggie is a wasp from an anglo culture and is a
protestant by birth and nurture and parentage and upbringing. He is not
an ethnic with ethnic culture. He ain't even Italian. Surely, you can
understand that a person born in some Hispanic culture where everyone he
ever knew was Santeria and he was raised in that is gonna be a lot
differnt from some wasp get-into that tries it out for size because he's
bored to death with his own shit and has to try to get into shit that
ain't his own. And we know that only some lame brained tired wasp would
even think that nomadic type cultures are dependent on location of the
people that are actually of that culture. That would incl
ude lame brain tired wasp get-intos that are raised in the Mormon cult,
like Joey Slick. They can't get outside of that cult or outside their own
lame tired shit no matter how hard they try and no matter what they study.
It just amounts to more "white man talking shit and feeling his usual
nothing."
Of course, that wouldn't include whites from New Joisey would it? Funny how
once Tani Jansen (or is it "Jantsang"?) left her self-admitted Catholic
baptism she suddenly became Turanian and Turk.
You fucking moron, either you can't read what the woman said, or you are just being a total asshole as is the norm for you. She said that some relative insisted on it *when she was a baby* in case she wanted to become Catholic someday when she grew up. Babies don't have a say in the matter, you fucking twit. That makes sense. Ha ha, her name ain't Jansen. It's Jantsang. God damn you just make up the shit as you go along, one step at a time, little by little, you just make up the shit as you go along. She's Turkish *and Russian* if you want to know. But you already knew that.

Amazing what a diseased mind
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can do to one's self-apperception.
Amazing what a perverted, obsessed and definitely sociopathic diseased mind (yours) can do with tid bits of information, spin spin spin and remember - thou shalt obsess.

Nice to see that Tani is still
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attracting racists -- this time those against Wasps.
What do you have against racists? Everyone on the planet is a racist but only certain special people can come out and voice it, say it. Fuck that, too. Take your PC and shove it up your ass. This ain't the 60s no more, you tired old leftist liberal. Those days are gone and gone for good. If you think you see a reaction to it now in government, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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Comparing digging holes in the peter to going out in the sun is the
comparison of a bona fide kook. Drouggie doesn't realize that lots of
people go out in the sun, work in the sun, live where it's sunny. Healthy
people are going to get tan from it.
You forget that no one ever got cancer from piercing their penis, they have
from excessive tanning. Which is worse, smartypants?
People don't necessarily go out in the sun to "get tan." That shit's genetic anyway. People with shitty genes should be trashed out of the gene pool. Eugenics. I like that idea. It's a good idea. Breed out weak shit and disease.
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hat why we got melanin. Nature put that there. That don't mean nothing.
Pain is pain, plane and simple. T is right on with that. Some people get
tendon disease from typing at a job everyday. The smart ones quit the job
and stop typing. That still ain't the same as digging holes in the peter
or sticking needles in the arm with drugs.
Gee, thanks for the science lesson on pain. Guess you've never heard of
endomorphins?
More ignorance with the exuses.
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Do you know what Mao once said or wrote? He said that you gotta be
Chinese to be a Maoist. Now what could he have meant by that? I know
what he meant.
Really? You an Asian-Puce-Hat-Llama-Void-Yoga-Marxist-with-a-Little-Red-Book
from New Joisey? LOL!
I'm a capitalist, pro-Bush, anti-PC poster that posts anonymously for a very good reason. You so anxious to "see Tani" her posts are right here to be seen. You just pissed that she has no use for talking to some old tired leftist pervert with PC up his ass.

I'm in favor of gassing politically correct pushers. I'm not in favor of all those satanic reds politics, either. Too liberal.
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Regards,
Harry Lime
http://harrylime.biz
Harry Lime
2004-11-19 16:49:56 UTC
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My my, what exagerrated ideas you have about something that is such a big
load of nothing that it should have been flushed weeks ago. So the big
bad psiops led TOS took small parts of Druggies ritual and performed it.
It must have been part of that MK Ultra Conspiracy or something. You
fucking twerps act like you just won the war against terrorism, LOLOLOL.
Get real you stupid fucks.
Trani defended Walter who spent weeks backpeddling and spewing sans any
evidence that Doug was a liar. As an ersatz author, Jantsang didn't have
enough sense to take down the offending material and let Walter prove that
he wrote this material -- turns out he didn't. The Satanic Retards and
morons like you provide endless entertainment in alt.satanism. Priceless.
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I agree. I have a very hard time even imagining your pals Harry and
Victor taking a razor and cutting themselves up. If they have
kids,
I'd
have a hard time seeing them tolerating their kids self inflicting
injuries to their bodies like that without intervening. I have a hard
time imagining Blanche, Peter or Peggy doing anything like that -
and
can
be pretty sure that they too would regard people that do it as crazy.
But of course, you did do it.
Amazing how this looney still thinks about me. I wonder if her recent
departure from this group has anything to do with Mr. Swick? LOL.
It ain't amazing since you and your pals always like to try to gang up on
her and do your usual shit. LOLOLOL the fact is that Slick Swick ain't
been online since October 22, 2004 after getting into some stupid spats
with another Mason named Craftworker and yapping more about how Freemasons
ain't devil worshippers to yet *another* person who knows a person that
used to be a Mason that turned Christian and the same old story.
On the other hand, we haven't seen much of the 'Tard of Turania either.
Is
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
What are you, going blind from doing those perverted things or something?
She just posted that faq or whatever the fuck that information is and
posted to some other guy. Maybe she has nothing to say to the "asshole
drone gang" on here. You don't have the ability to think, from what I can
see. You just spin and spin, twirl around and around, make up more shit
and then believe it. You're fucking nuts.
She isn't posting 24/7 like she usually does. Perhaps Swick isn't the one to
thank, I dunno but you certainly *drool* when I ring the *bell*.
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So many Masons, high rankers too, that quit and turn real Christian always
think that and say that. The only defense the Masons have is to deny it to
another former high ranking Mason, or call the guy stupid or a kook (but he
wasn't stupid or a kook when he was part of the Masons as a high ranking
Mason, LOLOL) I ain't never heard a Elk Club member say that the Elks were
satanic devil worshippers after they got born again. There is nothing in
the Elks that would make anyone think that.
That wasn't the question. Gotta wonder if Tani has retreated to the Turanian
homeworld because of Swick.
Seems more like Slick Joey retreated back to his slimehole. He's the one
that's gone, you blind moron.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
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I don't really care much about the Masons,
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frankly. What is funny is that until very recently, Tani claimed some sort
of occult/satanic tie with this organization. Now she just posts behind
anonymous remailers. LOL!
Tani ain't posting anonymously. She just posted on here, what are you,
blind? The posts say "Tani Jantsang" instead of "People's Commisar" on
them. She never made more of that shit if someone asked her outright.
How do I know that? I asked her once, long time ago. She told me. Just
because you like to make more of it than it is, that's your spin. Your
problem, too. Your "issue."
Uh huh..
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Fact is, some of those fucking morons get on chat rooms and try to recruit
people to "go get Tani" and no one listens. Two of them posted here,
guys, if you want to call them guys. Losers. Fucking morons. I heard of
obsessions. But this is way more than that. Look in the mirror, you
fucking stalker nutcase.
Sorry, but it completely eludes me what you're writing about here.
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Fact is, if the Masons didn't have all that religious hoorah hoohaw doodad
shit and were *really* just a social club like the Knights of Columbus or
the Elks no one would get such notions about them. If they didn't used to
be pretty powerful as an org and get involved in some conspiracy type
stuff, no one would think it. Seems more like they ask for it by acting
all seeekrit and shiat and sticking all that stupid bullshit about old
testament characters and Egyptian distortions into their *craft*. The
Elks and other honestly social clubs don't do anything like that.
This is relevant because?
Becuase I said so, moron. You mentioned Slick Joey. I told you what he
was up to the last time he showed his face on usenet. What a waste of
fucking time, his own time. Arguing with ex-Masons turned Christian.
There is a whole lot in Freemasons that would lead anyone to think they
are satanists or luciferian at least. Ask Crowley, he used to be a Mason,
remember? You believe the tripe they tell you in public? LOLOLOL. Get a
clue, they are a secret organization with secret shit and signs.
Christisn churches don't even have that. Jewish synagogues don't even
have that. Private clubs don't have it either and that's my point. They
ain't just some private club. The exMasons that tell it are telling the
truth.
Right. Ever hear of Skull and Bones? Don't get out much do ya?
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Uh, while I'm at it, Harrie - there is nothing loonie or kooky about Tani
bringing you *and other pals* of Douggie up in that context. Fact is, no
matter what the Satanic Bibble has to say about free love, we all know
that uncle anton hated gay guys and Blanche wasn't too secret about it.
Glad you could bring up Anton LaVey on cue.
You just avoided the fucking question.
I've written at length about Anton LaVey in this newsgroup. While I enjoy
his writing, I don't agree with everything he and/or the CoS stand for.
And? Remember, unlike Jansen/Jantsang, I've never been a Magistra appointed
by LaVey in the CoS. Trani was pretty comfortable with LaVey's alleged
homophobia until she was booted out from said organization. As a side note,
I know a couple gays and lesbians in the CoS that don't find it a
gay-bashing organization.
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The timing is, well, amazing
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and predictable. What do I care what LaVey cared about gays?
Not the question. The question is this - would you slice yourself up with
a razor or drill holes in your peter. Would you like it if your kids did
that? That's the fucking question. I asked you the question, I didn't
ask Druggie the question because he's brainfucked from years ago. He
needs a reality check.
I did answer the question. Patience.
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Perhaps you
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should be concerned with Tani's position shooting illegal Mexican immigrants
at the border,
Shit, I'd do that too. So would a whole heep of Americans, especially the
poor ranch owners that have to deal with the diseased shit that overflows
the toilet called "the border." Why should I give a shit one way or the
other what she or anyone else thinks about it? Why do you care?
Thanks for making my point.
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gassing Jews,
You got her confused with Filan on that one, moron.
No. Here's a link for you
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/mn/text.php?mimfile=mn198/satan.txt I'm
sure Filan might be a bit offended by that. Considering he works at a law
firm this isn't the smartest thing for you to write.
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turning in innocent Marxists to the FBI and
From what I can see of those not so innocent "marxists" that were not
Marxists at all, they deserved it, they asked for it, they provoked it.
They accused her of doing that shit when she didn't do it - and so she
went and did it. LOLOLOL. That's T. Not so long ago you and your pals
were trashing the fuck out of those Micky Maoers and saying that for them
to call anyone names is a compliment. Keep spinning, you old, wasted
fucker. Ooops, wrong name. You ain't a fucker, your back is too weak and
you are too fat for that kind of exercise. You are a sucker, a lame assed
sucker.
So there's a difference now between Maoists and Marxists? Right. You're
really dense.That's like saying that Lutherans aren't really Christians, but
Presbyterians are Christians. Or maybe you were the anon grrl that called
my deceptive direct cut-and-paste from a recognized authority on The
Frankfurt School all wrong? LOL.
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other jewels from her Usenet hit parade. Would you like more examples?
Who gives a fuck what you spin on that? So she flames people. You
distort shit. The problem with you is that you have no face. You are a
liar that believes his own lies.
Waaa, waaa, waaa. Um, *you* give a shit, grrl friend. She gets others to
make thinly veiled threats or encourages simpletons to post from anon
remailers. If that is the pinnacle of kookdom, I don't know what is.
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Now answer the fucking question, you old pervert. Would you take a razor
blade to yourself and cut yourself up? Would you drill holes in your
peter? Would you sit back and let one of your kids go off and do things
like that to themselves? Would you think there was something seriously
wrong if your kids got into that kind of thing? Answer the question.
Don't lie. Would you let your kids try crack or heroin?
What does your questioning my views personal behavior have to do with this
thread?
I asked you a fucking question. Answer it or shut the fuck up.
People have been modifying their bodies for a very long time for
Post by Harry Lime
various and sundry reasons. As long as they're adults, doing it to
themselves, and not forcing it on anyone, what business is it of yours or
mine?
Ditto that on Druggies hassling T or anyone else for having opinions
against that kind of shit.
I wouldn't want my children to try crack or heroin any more than I
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would want them to start having illegitimate children starting at the age of
16 in New Joisey, thank you.
HA HA HA HA HA, T didn't have no kids in NJ. She made that shit up you
fucking moron. But Zeena did have kids at the age of 14, LOLOL.
Well, grrl friend, we all know Trani lies a lot in this forum. What do I
care about Zeena? You obsess about every body (spacing intended) ever
associated with all things LaVey.
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Of course this is just a thinly veiled slam
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against Doug's piercing his putz and past substance abuse. It takes a lot
more *magick* to stop using heroin and have a successful business than it
does posting as a simpering anon-boi via dizdumb.
I don't thinly veil anything. Druggie is a fucking nut that obsesses over
fucking nothing, like the kOOk he is. And you are the guy up his asshole
right now, for the moment.
You criticize Doug who has a successful business, myself, and others yet you
don't have the intestinal fortitude to post from anything other than an
anonymous remailer? Please, impress us with your accomplishments, besides
posting from Dizdumb, that is.
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Druggie can go off and yap yap all he wants about shamanic trances that
some people do, not all, and that would be people that are actually raised
in those kinds of cultures - no matter where they are, no matter what city
or country they are in and no matter which culture (they ain't all the
same). Fact is, Drouggie is a wasp from an anglo culture and is a
protestant by birth and nurture and parentage and upbringing. He is not
an ethnic with ethnic culture. He ain't even Italian. Surely, you can
understand that a person born in some Hispanic culture where everyone he
ever knew was Santeria and he was raised in that is gonna be a lot
differnt from some wasp get-into that tries it out for size because he's
bored to death with his own shit and has to try to get into shit that
ain't his own. And we know that only some lame brained tired wasp would
even think that nomadic type cultures are dependent on location of the
people that are actually of that culture. That would incl
ude lame brain tired wasp get-intos that are raised in the Mormon cult,
like Joey Slick. They can't get outside of that cult or outside their own
lame tired shit no matter how hard they try and no matter what they study.
It just amounts to more "white man talking shit and feeling his usual
nothing."
Of course, that wouldn't include whites from New Joisey would it? Funny how
once Tani Jansen (or is it "Jantsang"?) left her self-admitted Catholic
baptism she suddenly became Turanian and Turk.
You fucking moron, either you can't read what the woman said, or you are
just being a total asshole as is the norm for you. She said that some
relative insisted on it *when she was a baby* in case she wanted to become
Catholic someday when she grew up. Babies don't have a say in the matter,
you fucking twit. That makes sense. Ha ha, her name ain't Jansen. It's
Jantsang. God damn you just make up the shit as you go along, one step at
a time, little by little, you just make up the shit as you go along.
She's Turkish *and Russian* if you want to know. But you already knew
that.
Turks and Russians don't get baptized Catholic. Perhaps Eastern Orthodox.
She claims she was raised in a culture outside of Christian influence, yet
she was baptized in a Christian Church? LOLOLOLOL! In New Jersey no less.
LOLOLOLOL! And she's Turkish. Let's not forget her nutty odes claiming to
be part Native American. And I thought I was from a mixed background. LOL!
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Amazing what a diseased mind
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can do to one's self-apperception.
Amazing what a perverted, obsessed and definitely sociopathic diseased
mind (yours) can do with tid bits of information, spin spin spin and
remember - thou shalt obsess.
Nice to see that Tani is still
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attracting racists -- this time those against Wasps.
What do you have against racists? Everyone on the planet is a racist but
only certain special people can come out and voice it, say it. Fuck that,
too. Take your PC and shove it up your ass. This ain't the 60s no more,
you tired old leftist liberal. Those days are gone and gone for good. If
you think you see a reaction to it now in government, you ain't seen
nothing yet.
60s? I've always dested hippies. Likewise, I hate racists. So whatta you
think of Condoleeza Rice? LOL.
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Comparing digging holes in the peter to going out in the sun is the
comparison of a bona fide kook. Drouggie doesn't realize that lots of
people go out in the sun, work in the sun, live where it's sunny.
Healthy
people are going to get tan from it.
You forget that no one ever got cancer from piercing their penis, they have
from excessive tanning. Which is worse, smartypants?
People don't necessarily go out in the sun to "get tan." That shit's
genetic anyway. People with shitty genes should be trashed out of the
gene pool. Eugenics. I like that idea. It's a good idea. Breed out
weak shit and disease.
You've just demonstrated what a moron you are, again. Even African
Americans get skin cancer despite the extra melanin. Maybe someday the gene
pool will be free from people who post anonymously? We can only hope. LOL
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hat why we got melanin. Nature put that there. That don't mean nothing.
Pain is pain, plane and simple. T is right on with that. Some people get
tendon disease from typing at a job everyday. The smart ones quit the job
and stop typing. That still ain't the same as digging holes in the peter
or sticking needles in the arm with drugs.
Gee, thanks for the science lesson on pain. Guess you've never heard of
endomorphins?
More ignorance with the exuses.
Calling me stupid yet you misspell excuses? Priceless.
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Do you know what Mao once said or wrote? He said that you gotta be
Chinese to be a Maoist. Now what could he have meant by that? I know
what he meant.
Really? You an
Asian-Puce-Hat-Llama-Void-Yoga-Marxist-with-a-Little-Red-Book
from New Joisey? LOL!
I'm a capitalist, pro-Bush, anti-PC poster that posts anonymously for a
very good reason. You so anxious to "see Tani" her posts are right here
to be seen. You just pissed that she has no use for talking to some old
tired leftist pervert with PC up his ass.
You fit right in with the Satanic Retards, congradulations. You'll be
getting your Red/Brown fascist decoder ring and a signed copy of the
Demented Doctrines any day now. Don't mind the stench of nicotine.
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I'm in favor of gassing politically correct pushers. I'm not in favor of
all those satanic reds politics, either. Too liberal.
All *bravely* from an anonymous remailer.

Regards,

Harry Lime
http://harrylime.biz
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Regards,
Harry Lime
http://harrylime.biz
Tani Jantsang
2004-11-19 19:20:54 UTC
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My my, what exagerrated ideas you have about something that is such a big
load of nothing that it should have been flushed weeks ago. So the big
bad psiops led TOS took small parts of Druggies ritual and performed it.
It must have been part of that MK Ultra Conspiracy or something. You
fucking twerps act like you just won the war against terrorism, LOLOLOL.
Get real you stupid fucks.
Trani defended Walter who spent weeks backpeddling and spewing sans any
evidence that Doug was a liar. As an ersatz author, Jantsang didn't have
enough sense to take down the
LIAR. I did take it down - with no evidence on EITHER side. Got
Alzheimers? Trani? LMAO. You fucking dickhead.
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Is
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
You can't think. Think again. Sick of alt.s and your clique of total
assholes. You have BECOME the very thing you said you despised in that
email you wrote. Yes, tired of alt.s - you got it. There was two posts I
saw on here in all this time that I felt willing to reply to. And I did so.
None were made by you or your castratos.
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Turks and Russians don't get baptized Catholic. Perhaps Eastern Orthodox.
What happened happened, not that this should be of ANY concern to you. My
grandaunt on my father's side was a Catholic. Period. She's the one that
insisted on it. I'm glad she did. There are Russians and Ukranians in the
Catholic Church right here, right now, you dogmatic moron. Point being, if
I wanted to go there, I could - and imo that's good.
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She claims she was raised in a culture outside of Christian influence,
Thoroughly outside of it. Fact. And this if of concern to you how?
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be part Native American. And I thought I was from a mixed background. LOL!
LIAR - I never claimed to be part NA. godDAMN you just invent the shit and
then hang desperately on anything else I might mention in passing. Get a
fucking life, you fucking sick, perverted, rape threatening, old, fat, porn
peddler.
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Amazing what a perverted, obsessed and definitely sociopathic diseased
mind (yours) can do with tid bits of information, spin spin spin and
remember - thou shalt obsess.
TOUCHE! That's THEM alright.

Fuck off. And please, to the Nomen person - NO NEED to "speak up" for me.
Just makes the fucking lunatics latch onto it desperately, like the
desperate TOTAL losers they are as human beings.
Harry Lime
2004-11-20 02:27:39 UTC
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My my, what exagerrated ideas you have about something that is such a big
load of nothing that it should have been flushed weeks ago. So the big
bad psiops led TOS took small parts of Druggies ritual and performed it.
It must have been part of that MK Ultra Conspiracy or something. You
fucking twerps act like you just won the war against terrorism, LOLOLOL.
Get real you stupid fucks.
Trani defended Walter who spent weeks backpeddling and spewing sans any
evidence that Doug was a liar. As an ersatz author, Jantsang didn't have
enough sense to take down the
LIAR. I did take it down - with no evidence on EITHER side. Got
Alzheimers? Trani? LMAO. You fucking dickhead.
You may have taken it down, but you defended Walter for a very long
time after he *didn't* deliver the goods.
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Is
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
You can't think. Think again. Sick of alt.s and your clique of total
assholes. You have BECOME the very thing you said you despised in that
email you wrote. Yes, tired of alt.s - you got it. There was two posts I
saw on here in all this time that I felt willing to reply to. And I did so.
None were made by you or your castratos.
LOL. You don't respond to us 'cause I guess you're tired of being made
fun of here on alt.satanism. There's always Dizdumb.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
Turks and Russians don't get baptized Catholic. Perhaps Eastern Orthodox.
What happened happened, not that this should be of ANY concern to you.
Concern? No. Just more of the inaccurate crapola you spread in this
newsgroup.

My
Post by Tani Jantsang
grandaunt on my father's side was a Catholic. Period. She's the one that
insisted on it. I'm glad she did. There are Russians and Ukranians in the
Catholic Church right here, right now, you dogmatic moron. Point being, if
I wanted to go there, I could - and imo that's good.
Next time you see a Turk marrying a Russian Catholic, please send me
an email.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
She claims she was raised in a culture outside of Christian influence,
Thoroughly outside of it. Fact. And this if of concern to you how?
How the hell can you be outside of Christian influence in New Jersey?
You admitted you were baptized Catholic. This is outside the Christian
influence now? Are you now claiming the, cough, "Masonic" school you
attended wasn't party to the whole Judeo-Christian influence thingy?
Please.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
be part Native American. And I thought I was from a mixed background. LOL!
LIAR - I never claimed to be part NA. godDAMN you just invent the shit and
then hang desperately on anything else I might mention in passing. Get a
fucking life, you fucking sick, perverted, rape threatening, old, fat, porn
peddler.
Right. So why is this following posted on one of your Red/Brown
fascisti sites?

"The Turanian people, genetically, are the most **closely related**
people to the Native Americans (Amerindians). The appearance, if one
wishes to know what is meant here, is also similar: take a look at
moving pictures (not drawings or touched up photos) of Stalin or Lenin
for an idea, or Alexander Lebed, the modern former head of the armed
forces in the x-USSR. Replace the suit and tie with a robe. Change the
hair from a Western style to, say, a topknot...Copyright by Philip E.
Panaggio P. O. Box 85, Lehigh Acres, FL 33970-0085, USA"

Reference: http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/turania.html

For those who don't know, Philip E. Panaggio is your spouse, Tani.
Your Nakived email appears all over this site too.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Nomen Nescio
Amazing what a perverted, obsessed and definitely sociopathic diseased
mind (yours) can do with tid bits of information, spin spin spin and
remember - thou shalt obsess.
TOUCHE! That's THEM alright.
Fuck off. And please, to the Nomen person - NO NEED to "speak up" for me.
Just makes the fucking lunatics latch onto it desperately, like the
desperate TOTAL losers they are as human beings.
LOL! Have fun with the Pan-Turanian fascist groove thing Tani, it
wears on you really well.

Regards,

Harry Lime
http://harrylime.biz
Tani Jantsang
2004-11-20 23:16:51 UTC
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Do you seriously intend to TALK to me with that, Harry? Eh?
Ok, retarded, pathological, obsessive compulsive stalker, I'll see inside.
Here spaded doggy, I'm about to throw you a few crumbs to lap up.
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
Trani defended Walter who spent weeks backpeddling and spewing sans any
evidence that Doug was a liar. As an ersatz author, Jantsang didn't have
enough sense to take down the
LIAR. I did take it down - with no evidence on EITHER side. Got
Alzheimers? Trani? LMAO. You fucking dickhead.
You may have taken it down, but you defended Walter for a very long
time after he *didn't* deliver the goods.
Not so. I simply said that he didn't write it. He didn't. HE was the one
convinced that Bonnie didn't steal it - failing to notice that the article
claimed to have borrowed something or parts of it from another place. You
do realize (guess you do not) that I didn't even READ these documents that
stated this or that? I delivered the mail, Harry. Nothing more.

I did NOT resort to defacing images of the parties involved like some
asocial misfit and emotional cripple writing numbers on bathroom walls.
There is really nothing MORE to discuss on this. I delivered the mail.
Nothing more. Your obsession on me is showing. Your obsession with Walter
with whom you show a failure in normal ability to agree to disagree is
showing, too. We know you have issues, Harry. BIG ones.

As someone very familiar with you and your habits for years emailed me:

QUOTE
In Harry's accusatory lingo, everything you say is an "admission", not a
statement. Whenever you don't post for a few days, you "departed" because
someone "embarrased" you. Funny, he doesn't post for long periods of time,
but that's somehow different. His entire style of argument depends totally
on lying and twisting what happens and what you say. Sometimes I think
Harry really believes his own shit, like it's actually his sense of reality
that's skewered.
UNQUOTE
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Tani Jantsang
Is
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Harry Lime
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
You can't think. Think again. Sick of alt.s and your clique of total
assholes. You have BECOME the very thing you said you despised in that
email you wrote. Yes, tired of alt.s - you got it. There was two posts I
saw on here in all this time that I felt willing to reply to. And I did so.
None were made by you or your castratos.
LOL. You don't respond to us 'cause I guess you're tired of being made
fun of here on alt.satanism. There's always Dizdumb.
I think that the group that constitutes your "US" -i.e., the GANG of total
assholes (thanks for saying "US" - a slip up) and my not having much to say
to you (save to have to defend myself against the ONLY THINGS your gang is
capable of - LIBEL) is more due to the FACT that we have 100% absolutely
NOTHING in common and not even a common area where discussion can even be
had in the normal human sense. You surely know that, that is WHY y ou can't
speak to me as if you are a human. You can't even pretend to be human. You
obviously WANT ME to talk to you - and that is because I have drawn a hard
line and REJECTED you as a person on any level. You resort to name
calling - which is not discussion. I don't LIKE your gang, Harry. Did that
EVER occur to you? I despise y ou for the same exact reasons you YOURSELF
wrote in why you despised the bullies. YOU ARE ONE OF THEM. You always
were, too. You are exactly like them. I reject you as a man AND as a human
being. In person, face to face, we'd have NOTHING to say to each other, I'd
not notice you or go near you and probably no one else I even casually know
would get near you, sensing you to be a flake. This is apparently hard for
you ro comprehend. It's definitely hard for you to accept. It has bothered
you for YEARS now.

QUOTE
In Harry's accusatory lingo, everything you say is an "admission", not a
statement. Whenever you don't post for a few days, you "departed" because
someone "embarrased" you. Funny, he doesn't post for long periods of time,
but that's somehow different. His entire style of argument depends totally
on lying and twisting what happens and what you say. Sometimes I think
Harry really believes his own shit, like it's actually his sense of reality
that's skewered
UNQUOTE

Considing that I might be offline for days is not an option for you, or that
I might choose to post to others, as I surely did for the "days" you
couldn't find me. That you are LOOKING for me is telling of your
pathological obsession. You hang desperately on every single thing I might
mention in a 99% incomplete form in passing. That is amazing, it shows you
to be pathological with this type of behavior. You definitely ARE
interested - pathologically so, like a cyberstalker. But you can't accept
the fact that I could care less who you are, what you are or even if you
exist. You are less than nothing - a reject that imo would be better off
dead.

Does someone actually want to know? My father was Russian and Tatar. The
Russians were non practicing CATHOLICS in his family way way back and may
have come from further WEST originally, the Tatars were practicing MOSLEMS -
every one of them. Of course, dad himself was a staunch Atheist, hard line
atheist. My mother's side was Lamaist (more actually theologically
Shamanist with new terms for old words). All of them were born in what was
called RUSSIA prior to Lenin and after Lenin, Russian USSR or whatever they
named it. I was baptized (previous to my actually checking this out) by
rumor only at the emphatic insistence of my dad's aunt, saying that I might
want to be that when I'm grown up and would not be able to just go join it
if not baptised. That is correct. I just finally checked up on it and
found it to be true, I was baptised. No such rules apply to Protestants or
Moslems to go join them. Otherwise, I had no contact with any of that save
thru Italian friends as a kid. I never knew any of my father's relatives
from his father's side. I did know cousins from his mom's side when I was a
teen, used to hang out with them - they were WILD people - they lived in
Paterson early on, later on in Brooklyn.

Now WHY you'd want to know this is what makes you so pathological. Tell me
more, Harry, about your socialist youth camp. Tell me MORE, Harry, about
how you grew up in CPUSA circles, about how you are Jewish, about how you
are related to Sonya Green. Go ahead, tell me more of your complete lies.
And you think you DESERVE the truth from me? What is it about you LaVeyans
that you think I didn't know? That you honor above all the ability to LIE
to people, con them, dupe the rubes? Ole seems to have found that out later
on, as his essay shows. I knew it in the 60s when your kind crawled out of
your fanatical cult-xian churches and became "satanists." I definitely DID
leave false trails on a heap of things about my personal stuff - semi
truths, or partial truths - lest you do what you are so well known to do -
and therefore I know EXACTLY where the information is coming from. Guess
you never thought of that? I tell you guys connected to one thing abcdef.
But I might tell others connected to something wholly different ghixyz.
You think I don't know where shit that is covered by abcdef comes from when
it gets spewed on here as flames? Sure I do - and I ACCUSE ACCORDINGLY.
But I never in my life imagined that ANYONE would flame me for my fucking
nationality or ethnicity. I never imagined that. YOU ARE a RACIST in the
true sense of the word. Your DEEDS are a lot more real than your
transparent words/LIES, which you SO pride yourself on.
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
Turks and Russians don't get baptized Catholic. Perhaps Eastern Orthodox.
What happened happened, not that this should be of ANY concern to you.
Concern? No. Just more of the inaccurate crapola you spread in this
newsgroup.
You are looking in the mirror. What I said above is IT. That IS my
ethnicity - and what happened happened. I DID once say "Allah is god and
mohemmed is his only prophet" - I said it emphatically in an argument with
someone anti Moslem - and from that day on, every Moslem relation I have
regards me as a Moslem and they won't take NO for an answer. You only know
crapola - you are a living, walking, talking LIE and you desire the lie.
Tell me about that socialist youth camp, Harry. Or was that some Mormon
thing? You were born into a CULT, raised in the environment of a CULT - if
you are a Mormon. You are one sick, pathological nutbar. You are also a
fat, over the hill, waste product with a weak back that can't even FUCK.
That's pretty pathetic. Go tell your pro white pal "Satan" that posts on
here why white folks are losing against the non-whites. Go ahead. Look in
the mirror - THAT is why. Who the fuck would want you?
Post by Harry Lime
My
Post by Tani Jantsang
grandaunt on my father's side was a Catholic. Period. She's the one that
insisted on it. I'm glad she did. There are Russians and Ukranians in the
Catholic Church right here, right now, you dogmatic moron. Point being, if
I wanted to go there, I could - and imo that's good.
Next time you see a Turk marrying a Russian Catholic, please send me
an email.
LMAO - you have no idea how MANY Tatars married Russians - aside from which,
at the time they were ATHEISTS - you know - Stalin? Lenin? USSR? Atheist
was the state religion there. It's no differnt from an Italian Catholic or
Irish Catholic marrying a Jew - only that is a LOT more problematical - WAY
more of a problem. LOTS of Moslems marry Americans - and those Americans
are Christians of some type. Over there it was VERY common. Lenin himself
for shit's sakes, was part Kalmuk and that's Lamaist right there. There
was so much intermarriage there that you can't even tell the Slavs apart
from the Tatars - and in the past the only thing one had to do to pass for
the other was dress right and speak the language. During the time my
parents and such were meeting - everyone spoke Russian by law. Speak same
language, attracted to each other - BINGO. It's a lot less problematical
than a black guy marrying a white girl and that's on the rise here right
now. God, you are fucking STUPID. My father's aunt wasn't even a religious
person. Her reasoning was 100% practical and I agree with it - it was a
GREAT idea. You are exposing your own narrow closeted life here, Harry.
You wouldn't want to appear to be uncosmopolitan, now. Phil's LUTHERAN
GERMAN uncle married a black woman. WOW. The kids are all black and
German. Half and half. WOW. And he did that in NJ way back during Jim
Crow days down south. WOW. Guess you never heard of that, either, you
dumbfuck.

Circe 1950s USA. My Moslem uncle Toghrul married an Italian Catholic girl.
In fact, a whole heep of my Moslem relations, males and females married
Italian Catholics - giving me quite a few Italian Catholic INLAWS right
now - 2 of them make jewelry :) Circa 1960s USA, my other Moslem cousin
Ahmed married a Germanic Lutheran girl. My Lamaist cousin Durima married an
Italian/German Catholic guy. Her cousin (not my blood kin) who is also
Lamaist married a black girl. And? The supervisor at that PT job I had was
1/4 Spanish Catholic, 1/4 Serbian (some kind of Orthodox) and 1/2 Turkish
Moslem. He goes to a Catholic church. I asked him what the difference is.
He said "NOTHING, they speak in Russian or some Slavic language in one,
speak Greek in the Greek Orthodox and speak whatever language is most
commonly spoken in the Roman. They speak SPANISH in the Catholic church he
goes to right now. I guess you are strongly opposed to - RACE MIXING?
LMAO - or is it only if it's MY background? You really are racist in the
true sense of the word. And you are myopic as hell.

Jerome's father was in the freaking Wehrmacht - he had to have been a Nazi
to be in that. His mother is a JEW from NYC. Oh boy - in the world of
Harry Lime, that can't possibly happen. You MORON.
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Harry Lime
She claims she was raised in a culture outside of Christian influence,
Thoroughly outside of it. Fact. And this if of concern to you how?
How the hell can you be outside of Christian influence in New Jersey?
Hold on, everyone in the whole USA is exposed to Christian INFLUENCE. Some
dispute that and say that Hollywood and the media is actually JEWISH
INFLUENCE and that has a much more profound effect on society since it is
the MEDIA and it's everywhere. No matter. I said I had nothing to do with
Christian CULTURE - which is a whole other and much more intimate thing.
There was one Jewish guy that wrote an essay on Cultural Christians, which
would have explained it clearer if you had a mind to read it. They are ALSO
exposed to "influence" of Christianity in the whole USA. Not the point. I
now think that you are seriously too stupid to even understand that, or even
grasp what a CULTURE is because you'd have to have HAD one to know one.
Community was pretty damned big and 3 Buddhist temples are there. The only
"Christians" I got to know a little were Italian Catholics - and my dad
said they weren't christian but were more like "magna mater cult." It's
very easy. The state itself, especially back then, was thoroughly secular
except for the Catholics who, at that time, were seen as WEIRD and SPOOKY
people. This is just outside your sphere of experience. The Catholics were
seen as so spooky that me and some friends broke into a church once to see
what was in there - and got into some trouble for it. I mean, I heard about
DEMONS from those Italians - yet I never heard about that kind of thing from
my immediate family or any of the Moslems in the family. Never. To a kid,
demons are scary bogeymen and those Italians seemed to believe in them. No
one else did. They dressed weird, they acted weird, they did weird
ceremonies that people heard about. The only OTHER christians I saw just
once were blacks doing their jumping and cartwheeling inside of a store
front. I didn't say I never MET them. I'm not OF that tradition or
influenced by it at all - and that's easy to understnd if you were there.
Shit, I know people right now that were from that area that know NOTHING
about their own religion. They never went to church or studied it. Their
parents were Italian Catholic and Irish Protestant - a lot of that mixture
was there. So religion just wasn't an issue for them - at all. You must
have grown up like some cloistered fool. I run into NY Jews that don't
believe in anything, don't have a religion and don't know a thing about
Jewish religion, either. Yet they say they are Jews. It's maybe an NORTH
EASTERN USA thing. In the 1960s religion was virtually DEAD in that part of
the USA.
Post by Harry Lime
You admitted you were baptized Catholic. This is outside the Christian
influence now? Are you now claiming the, cough, "Masonic" school you
attended wasn't party to the whole Judeo-Christian influence thingy?
Please.
Let's be more clear then, since the 1% tid bit I threw out is being used by
YOU to declare something I didn't exactly say, especially if clearly asked
about it by SINCERE people. I went to a PUBLIC school that had the standare
classical education going - and Masonic related people made a small change
in what we were taught - which earned the school that NEGATIVE name when
Italians referred to it. The school I went to had a curriculum that
thoroughly emphasized the Greco Roman when it dealt with history.
Otherwise, it was SUPER strong on math and geometry - AND it took to
teaching all about those pagan gods. I knew more about pagan gods than
about who Moses was, for shit's sakes. I knew who Medusa was when I was 6
years old. Heh, I didn't know who Moses was until I was in my freaking 30s,
down here in Florida. I thought Mary was a Goddess of the Italians. THAT
IS what I thought. Unlike you, a Mormon - religion per se was just NOT an
influence for me. I only just RECENTLY actually checked to see if rumors
told by one person in the family were even true - and I found that yes, I
actually GOT baptised when I was ONE MONTH OLD. The grand aunt took me.
ONE MONTH OLD.
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Tani Jantsang
LIAR - I never claimed to be part NA. godDAMN you just invent the shit and
then hang desperately on anything else I might mention in passing. Get a
fucking life, you fucking sick, perverted, rape threatening, old, fat, porn
peddler.
Right. So why is this following posted on one of your Red/Brown
fascisti sites?
"The Turanian people, genetically, are the most **closely related**
people to the Native Americans (Amerindians).
Genetically THEY ARE the closest related people to the NA. Your distortion,
on the other hand, is YOUR SICKNESS showing thru. In fact, for the NA that
did cross over the ice bridge - they WERE Turanians back then who did that.
That's pretty well known. Your distortion, however, is just your need to
get help about your issues with YOUR reality. And your obsession with what
I say or do - are clearly YOUR OBSESSIONS. Go ahead and TRY to deny that!
LMAO.

QUOTE
In Harry's accusatory lingo, everything you say is an "admission", not a
statement. Whenever you don't post for a few days, you "departed" because
someone "embarrased" you. Funny, he doesn't post for long periods of time,
but that's somehow different. His entire style of argument depends totally
on lying and twisting what happens and what you say. Sometimes I think
Harry really believes his own shit, like it's actually his sense of reality
that's skewered
UNQUOTE
Post by Harry Lime
For those who don't know, Philip E. Panaggio is your spouse, Tani.
Your Nakived email appears all over this site too.
You fucking moron, I make no secret of that. I have his name listed as
Panaggio because that's the name his college has for him. You think this is
some kind of BIG thing you write here? Man, you are so thoroughly sick it's
pathetic. This OBSESSION on all things I do, or things WE do - it's sick,
Harry. Go get help for that.
Post by Harry Lime
LOL! Have fun with the Pan-Turanian fascist groove thing Tani, it
wears on you really well.
You know, you imagine that I'm "INTO" this or "INTO" that - and you are so
far off down the black hole that is your pathetic self that it's laughable.
I don't personally, up close and in person, day to day life, give a SHIT
about what goes on in other countries. The red/brown arctogaia was
explained - that there are different groups of red/brown was explained - but
just cause I yapped (past tense, not interestged enough to keep up with the
latest gossip on that shit) about one group of that to someone, YOU go off
half insane thinking I'm "INTO" it.

CLUE: I'm into STAR TREK and other sci fi. I'm into the BEACH. I'm into
having FUN.

That is something obviously very foreign to you - being the cerebral head
case you always try to be. If you read ANYTHING serious - the way you read
comments I make, twisting and distorting and believing your twistings and
distortions - then you may as well give up your pretenses to
intellectualism, because you are TOO STUPID to grasp a thing you read - even
when said very plainly, so plainly that an IQ 80 person could understand it.

In real life? Hey, if Bush and the neocons want to take the oil and the
reserves - which is OBVIOUSLY what they are after in Iraq despite the
yammering hype - then let them GO TAKE IT while they can. Caesar. IDGAF.
You worry yourself - or at least you used to CLAIM you did - about the
environment, excuse me, the Environment. Like you really don't just GO OUT
and have fun - and FUCK the environment? Global warming is caused by the
SUN - proved by a Danish geophysicist or something - I don't even remember
the guy's name - shows you how much I give a shit about it. Fuck the
Greens. They are NUTS. They are, in real practical life, a freaking
NUISANCE that stops roads that need to be there from being built and other
"say no to anything" nuisances. One thing I gotta admit I liked about
Bush - he said: DRILL. Then again, your "concern" for the environment was
probably just one more Harry LIE. The thing about your philosophy of life
is that you walk around with NO self to mention, you look at others and what
they like to do, or enjoy, and stand there ridiculing it. That's your
LIFE.

Now shoo.
Post by Harry Lime
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://harrylime.biz
Kori Houghton
2004-11-21 08:04:59 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Circe 1950s USA. My Moslem uncle Toghrul married an Italian Catholic
girl. In fact, a whole heep of my Moslem relations, males and females
married Italian Catholics -
Nomen Nescio aka Tani Jantsang aka Tanya Lysenko aka Phyllis Rose
Panaggio
Post by Tani Jantsang
Shit, I'd do that too. So would a whole heep of Americans,
especially the poor ranch owners that have to deal with the
diseased shit that overflows the toilet called "the border."
Why should I give a shit one way or the other what she or
anyone else thinks about it? Why do you care?
That would be ***heap***, Tanya. One 'e', one 'a'.

I see you're going strong with the k00krants as '04 draws to a close.
Rumor has it you're in line for USENET'S LAMEST LOSER again this year.


Luv,
Kori
Kori Houghton
2004-11-21 08:26:16 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Jerome's father was in the freaking Wehrmacht - he had to have been a Nazi
to be in that. His mother is a JEW from NYC. Oh boy - in the world of
Harry Lime, that can't possibly happen. You MORON.
Yeah sure, Phyllis. Go ahead and call someone a "MORON" (with
Hellenic ALL CAPS, no less!) while exposing yourself as, well, dumber
than a box that's missing all its rocks.

What a dumbass you are!

Luv,
Kori
Nomen Nescio
2004-11-23 11:50:08 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Ok, retarded, pathological, obsessive compulsive stalker, I'll see inside.
Here spaded doggy, I'm about to throw you a few crumbs to lap up.
"Whining your opinions about why I "MIGHT" have done it are
useless and show very clearly that YOU ARE at some kind of war with me."
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!

HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
Tani Jantsang
2004-11-24 04:42:16 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE.
Sounds just like Tani!
Post by Nomen Nescio
Phil Marsh has a HUGE cock.
Presumably only one person would know that.
Post by Nomen Nescio
HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
So Phil is a homo too? Now that would explain a lot.
Nomen Nescio
2004-11-24 12:00:03 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Nomen Nescio
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE.
Sounds just like Tani!
Hey, you rat-infested, braindead, dweebaholic - I guess you didn't see what Doggie posted on here. You stupid abortion that forgot to get flushed. LOLOLOLOL. I would be a billion bucks that I do not sound like Tani for she sure the fuck didn't post that picture. You just proved how stupid you are. Just thought you might want to know that. Cross posting it to groups that ain't interested in your stupid satan (you ain't got no dick, LOLOL) bullshit shows you to be nothing but another emotional cripple, LOLOL. It's gotta be that Satan shit.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Nomen Nescio
Phil Marsh has a HUGE cock.
Presumably only one person would know that.
He he he, the person who posted that picture? Tani sure the fuck didn't post it, you stupid mother fucker.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Nomen Nescio
HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
So Phil is a homo too? Now that would explain a lot.
You stupid mother fucker. You mother was a homo - that's why she got the abortion when she got news of you coming. LOLOL.
Ben Schultz
2004-11-24 06:42:27 UTC
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Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?

Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.

Anyone?

Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.

No one?

hmm...

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:50:08 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Phil Marsh has a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-24 21:30:59 UTC
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Ben, where is the url?

Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.

See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.

There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.

You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
way:

FIRST:
In article <***@earthlink.net>
Dagon Productions <***@earthlink.net> wrote:

Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
NOMEN SAID:
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
NOMEN SAID:
Where? Oh. OH!!

NOMEN SAW A PHOTO AND SAID:

HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.

+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.

When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.

By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.

Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
Nomen Nescio
2004-11-24 22:20:06 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Ben, where is the url?
Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.
See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.
There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.
You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.
When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.
By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.
Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
Tani, he won't answer any of this because he's too much of a cultnik spaniel and a chicken shit. He should volunteer to fight in Iraq since he's so gun ho on Bu$h.

There is no url. Doggie, little stalker that he proved he is, made a post and *attached* the photo. I saw it and commented. I guess it's not showing up on all readers. It's only predictable that Benny would make a comment to *me* about the picture I merely *saw* and not say a word to the person that posted the picture. He's an asskisser.
Ben Schultz
2004-11-24 22:47:58 UTC
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Aw... That hurt my little feelings...

I must have been at the beach when the original picture was posted.

da, da, da, daa, PUPPY POWER!

Ben

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:20:06 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Tani Jantsang
Ben, where is the url?
Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.
See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.
There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.
You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.
When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.
By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.
Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
Tani, he won't answer any of this because he's too much of a cultnik spaniel and a chicken shit. He should volunteer to fight in Iraq since he's so gun ho on Bu$h.
There is no url. Doggie, little stalker that he proved he is, made a post and *attached* the photo. I saw it and commented. I guess it's not showing up on all readers. It's only predictable that Benny would make a comment to *me* about the picture I merely *saw* and not say a word to the person that posted the picture. He's an asskisser.
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Ben Schultz
2004-11-24 22:37:01 UTC
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I haven't seen the picture, nor would I want to. Phil's penis holds no
interest for me.

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:30:59 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Ben, where is the url?
Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.
See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.
There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.
You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.
When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.
By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.
Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-24 23:18:20 UTC
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Post by Ben Schultz
I haven't seen the picture, nor would I want to. Phil's penis holds no
interest for me.
It shouldn't hold any interest for ANYONE. But you go tell that to DOUG -
who apparently POSTED the god damned link to a picture on yet ANOTHER url or
somewhere. Why MY pictures or Phil's sex organs would hold so much interest
for HIM is a mystery that only the mind of a STALKER could fathom. Or, oh,
he POSTED the picture as an attachment.

But then again, I don't see you chiding the person who POSTED THE PICTURE -
as usual. You dare not criticize certain people, we know, we know. You are
really pathetic with all that selective moral chiding, Ben.

WHY don't you do your lil moral act on the person who POSTED it, Ben? TELL
ME. You can't tell me any answer that's honest. When did you begin lying
to yourself?
Post by Ben Schultz
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:30:59 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Ben, where is the url?
Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.
See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.
There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.
You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.
When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.
By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.
Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
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But not in that order."- Brian Pickrell
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Ben Schultz
2004-11-25 00:20:23 UTC
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Dearest Tani,

I didn't see it. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't follow
the URLs listed here even when I see them.

Are you a member of the Vixtims Union? Florida local 247? Or do you
just have that high an opinion of yourself?

da, da, da, daa, PUPPY POWER!

Ben

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:18:20 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
I haven't seen the picture, nor would I want to. Phil's penis holds no
interest for me.
It shouldn't hold any interest for ANYONE. But you go tell that to DOUG -
who apparently POSTED the god damned link to a picture on yet ANOTHER url or
somewhere. Why MY pictures or Phil's sex organs would hold so much interest
for HIM is a mystery that only the mind of a STALKER could fathom. Or, oh,
he POSTED the picture as an attachment.
But then again, I don't see you chiding the person who POSTED THE PICTURE -
as usual. You dare not criticize certain people, we know, we know. You are
really pathetic with all that selective moral chiding, Ben.
WHY don't you do your lil moral act on the person who POSTED it, Ben? TELL
ME. You can't tell me any answer that's honest. When did you begin lying
to yourself?
Post by Ben Schultz
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:30:59 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Ben, where is the url?
Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.
See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.
There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.
You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.
When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.
By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.
Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-25 02:32:10 UTC
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Post by Ben Schultz
Dearest Tani,
I didn't see it. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't follow
the URLs listed here even when I see them.
Uh, apparently it was not a URL - it was a photo Doug posted that showed up
on some readers. Now - since Nomen replied to Doug - and I replied to
Nomen - and YOU stuck your nose in it - I have to wonder WHY you didn't
chastise (ha ha ha) DOUG for being an insane stalker that collects photos of
this type of thing to post on here. That is my question. You've not
answered it.
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent on
replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this stuff
comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on the moral
stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that POSTED IT, Ben.
I puppy dog dare you, boy.

I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I was the
victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic markers
particularly geered to being a victim from your own experiences as a fat
CHILD being picked on by other children.

That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused in such
a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING very hard to
subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child - however impossible
that task might be. There is nothing any of them, or you, can do - to TOUCH
me. But I notice that abused people - you were one at the hands of cruel
kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when they grow up.

Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even going
out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.

So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people. Do
that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
Dagon Productions
2004-11-25 02:51:46 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Dearest Tani,
I didn't see it. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't follow
the URLs listed here even when I see them.
Uh, apparently it was not a URL - it was a photo Doug posted that showed up
on some readers.
It was an attachment ya net dumbass. It shows up on newsreaders that
have operators
that know how to configure their s/w to show attachments, some people
don't like to
do this since it can leave one open to hostile files, if one doesn't
have very good
antivirus software and keep it updated.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Now - since Nomen replied to Doug - and I replied to
Nomen - and YOU stuck your nose in it - I have to wonder WHY you didn't
chastise (ha ha ha) DOUG for being an insane stalker that collects photos of
this type of thing to post on here. That is my question. You've not
answered it.
Because your question is flawed to begin with. Number one I'm not
insane, number two
I'm not a stalker and my behavior hardly meets any law enforcement
agencies criteria for stalking.
Participating in a public forum will sometimes bring forth opinions you
do not like... such
as parodying a picture of you... you really shit on those people that
are really pursued by
stalkers. And number three, I'm not collecting photos... I've got two
photos of tani,
culled from posts made in alt.satanism.

So ask a relevant question without the logical fallacies and maybe you
would get
an answer... but I doubt it since Ben has not even seen the pic.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent on
replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this stuff
comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on the moral
stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that POSTED IT, Ben.
I puppy dog dare you, boy.
There is no stalker, so there is no one to chastise. It's not a hard
concept to grasp
tani... I know your panties are all in a wad over this... I know you
have probably been
trying really hard not to reply to my posts and flame me... but your
true feelings come
out when someone you want to stand up for you does not. Hilarious. You
want
to egg me on some more?
Post by Tani Jantsang
I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I was the
victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic markers
particularly geered to being a victim from your own experiences as a fat
CHILD being picked on by other children.
You are undoubtedly a victim of parody and ridicule. You exhibit the
emotional
signs of such as well.
Post by Tani Jantsang
That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused in such
a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING very hard to
subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child - however impossible
that task might be. There is nothing any of them, or you, can do - to TOUCH
me. But I notice that abused people - you were one at the hands of cruel
kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when they grow up.
Oh, I touched you... these parody pics obviously upset you or you
wouldn't be
getting all riled in your posts about them. And you are abusive to
people that
are really stalked by attempting to paint this situation as stalking.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
No it is you tani that swallows... do we need to post the pic again?
Post by Tani Jantsang
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even going
out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.
So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people. Do
that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
Oh how classic tani is trying to shame Ben into supporting her...
I think it would be more shameful to be aligned with tani.

-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-25 04:24:53 UTC
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"Dagon Productions" <***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:***@earthlink.net...
big snip of your bullshit.

Ben is a woosie that falls into line very easily. He was abused as a kid
because he was FAT. He more than likely doesn't feel brave enough to endure
it again, so he joins in, in his own "pretend to be so moral" way. Easy to
see.

As for me - there is nothing you can "do" to me - except in your own
deranged - and yes, stalker mind.

Period. Now for shit's sakes, shut the fuck up. You yammer WAY too much
and you do tend to DOG (stalk) my posts and DO tend to persist with libel.
It's not parody. You are no pal of mine to make humor. I have a very good
sense of humor - but YOU aren't funny. You are one of the biggest BORES on
this newsgroup.
Dagon Productions
2004-11-25 11:42:24 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
big snip of your bullshit.
Ben is a woosie that falls into line very easily. He was abused as a kid
because he was FAT. He more than likely doesn't feel brave enough to endure
it again, so he joins in, in his own "pretend to be so moral" way. Easy to
see.
Ah, I see, don't attack the logic but put up a strawman and hope
everyone buys it.

I'm sure you had your fair amount of abuse as a child considering your
gap teeth
and mongoloid looks... I'm sure you would expect us to believe that you
never
have been taunted as a child?
Post by Tani Jantsang
As for me - there is nothing you can "do" to me - except in your own
deranged - and yes, stalker mind.
I've got you ranting like a loon. };)
Post by Tani Jantsang
Period. Now for shit's sakes, shut the fuck up. You yammer WAY too much
and you do tend to DOG (stalk) my posts and DO tend to persist with libel.
It's not parody. You are no pal of mine to make humor. I have a very good
sense of humor - but YOU aren't funny. You are one of the biggest BORES on
this newsgroup.
I don't stalk your posts... I open the newsgroup alt.satanism and there
they are.
It doesn't take a "pal" to make humor, I'm sure Al Franken is no pal of
GW Bush.

Quite a few people find the pics I parodied of you absolutely hilarious.
The only
people complaining are you and your buttmonkey nomeo.

I'm such a big bore and you find the need to tell me to "shut the fuck
up?"
Hilarious... and you can stomp up and down and declare a million times
I'm not getting to you.

-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-27 22:50:00 UTC
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You have very odd ideas, there. See in. This is not a flame, btw.
Post by Tani Jantsang
big snip of your bullshit.
Ben is a woosie that falls into line very easily. He was abused as a kid
because he was FAT. He more than likely doesn't feel brave enough to
endure it again, so he joins in, in his own "pretend to be so moral" way.
Easy to see.
Ah, I see, don't attack the logic but put up a strawman and hope everyone
buys it.
Nope - that is just what the man does, repeatedly. Others have noticed it.
Even Ole noticed it back when he started doing it.
I'm sure you had your fair amount of abuse as a child considering your gap
teeth
and mongoloid looks... I'm sure you would expect us to believe that you
never
have been taunted as a child?
LOL, I didn't have any gap in my teeth until my later 20s and that was due
to my having my wisdom teeth yanked out to prevent any future problems with
them. I had had no problem with them at the time . The dentist said my
teeth would move as a result of that. Gradually, they did. Obviously, I
don't care. Mongoloid looks? LMAO - Doug - when I'm not tan, I'm WHITE
WHITE, like a Swede, rosey cheeks and all. We all are. Our looks are about
as Mongoloid as any of the Slavic people, Ukranians and Russians, that were
in the area. I'm a red head, as were a few of them, plus some of the
American kids (usually Irish kids) were. Some people did call me "red."
They were friendly, not hostile. All of us, what you might call Soviet
emigres, were rough and tumble kids - very good in sports all around, very
active kids.

There were way more of us around than there were blacks ("colored people"
was the term back then that they themselves used) - and that was during the
time when enforced segretation existed down south, Douglas. No one picked
on the blacks either - and since they were also active, rough and tumble,
into playing sport-like games, they blended in quite well. The only kids
that were different were some of the Italians who were considerably darker
than any of us. The boys would play, but their girls were lame at anything
active. Some of the Italian kids were fat, but no one ever picked on anyone
for being fat. The Jewish kids, the few that were there, were all sort of
clutzy, usually wore glasses, were studious and smart as a rule and were
very skinny with weak legs. They DID get picked on - by a lot of the
Italians and some of the Ukranians. So you had a Slavs/Turanians from the
Soviet Union, blacks, some Irish, Italian boys, that were all playing fine
with each other, always active games, running games, with a ball or not,
bicycle and so forth. Sometimes playing cards, usually with one of the
adults or more plus kids.

I first heard the word "nigger" when I was 9 years old, I heard it from a
girl that was Italian/Irish. I never heard it before. After asking
nationality, when our friend Susan's nationality came up, she said, "Susan
is a nigger." I didn't know what it meant. So I asked Susan, and she told
me. So that should give you an idea of what kids in my time did NOT tend to
say to each other. I heard that from ONE person in my whole childhood, and
that person didn't even know it was an insult to say that.

During teen years (the 60s) things changed, especially when blacks got
attitude and started doing black ON white to some people, and otherwise
acting like assholes. So then everyone that was not-black still hung around
and got along, and they just stopped hanging out with blacks. I had 2 black
friends at the time that played music with me. But no one else did unless
they were for the time they were also playing music. I also hung out, like
went to movies, with these 2 blacks - but no one else non-black did, not
even the others that played music with us. They hung out with me. If the
blacks wer with me, they'd hang out too. But otherwise, they didn't hang
out with them on their own. But there was no ridiculing anyone unless a
black said to some white guy "man, you can't dance," if you want to call
that ridicule. The only time anyone incapable of playing well got shooed
off the playground where a game was ongoing, was when and if they tried to
worm their way into the game - when people knew they were lousy at the game.

Nope, just happens that I never was. I got into a few fights with people who
were known bullies tho. Everyone did, one time or another.

Keep in mind that this kind of thing was kinda rare
back then - especially IN any schools. Fat kids with glasses never got
bothered by anyone back then in any school. Hell, kids in wheelchairs from
polio never
even got bothered, kids on crutches, or otherwise lamed by the disease never
got picked on. It just didn't happen. It especially didn't happen in
school, where things were very strict. It didn't dare happen. Point is, it
rarely happened on the outside, either.

Nonetheless, after a few outside of school fights with a
few bullies, they never bothered me after that - and one of them stopped
bullying anyone - that was John D'Giovanni - who turned out to be a pretty
nice person. His father abused him. So he was a bully. Typical.

I have heard from younger people what goes on in the schools, and when I
first heard it I point blank did not believe anything like that was
possible. I thought the person was making up stories. HOW could that
happen in school where teachers are there to see it? Well, I was wrong.
School has changed. People have also changed - for the worse.

Today, jocks are known to slam kids against lockers, beat people up, rape
girls. In my time, jocks knew they were bigger and stronger and had Boy
Scout values ingrained into them. They were gentle bears. NONE of them
ever - at any time - behaved badly. It was universally regarded as shameful
to behave that way, lacking honor or respect.

What's so odd about this is that this change for the worst possible behavior
has happened after the Liberal revolution that supposedly preached tolerance
to all and turned the educational system into a bullshit system where they
try to "mold the behavior" of children, even with drugs they don't need,
like ritilin. The same Liberal system also did away with the notion of
disciplining a child. No such thing in my day - never. Unheard of. No one
was preaching any such thing back in my day, yet I never heard the word
"nigger" except ONE TIME. To top that off, it turned out that the girl that
said it, herself didn't know it was a nasty thing to say. I asked Susan
what it meant; Susan told me; I went back and told the girl and the girl
didn't think I was telling the truth, she didn't think it was a curse word.
Kids were definitely disciplined, at home and in school, if they misbehaved.
So much for that. A few times there were "juvenile deliquents" and they
were always kids that got failing grades and broke the law. They got
quickly sent to "the youth home" - a literal jail for kids. No one ever
heard of them after that. That is the way it was, Douglas. You did not
talk out in class, chew gum in class, or DARE get into a name calling fight,
let alone a real fight. NO freaking way.

Outside of school, it was exactly as I said. Watch "Leave it to Beaver" and
understand that every single kid that watched that could 100% relate to it.
If they couldn't, the show would have failed. That's the way it was. It
was that way for rich and for poor. There were family values, strong ones -
and intact families were the usual, not the exception. I knew only ONE
person who had only a mother - with a father absent (he was in jail, though
the kids didn't know that at the time - I found that out much later on).
Just ONE.
Post by Tani Jantsang
As for me - there is nothing you can "do" to me - except in your own
deranged - and yes, stalker mind.
I've got you ranting like a loon. };)
I'm not ranting at all, Douglas. But you certainly are. Since when do you
take simple discussion as ranting? In which case, you rant, you rant
constantly, you call people names for no reason save to try to stomp on them
(over cyberspace.....). This tells more about you than about anyone you do
it to. People laugh and smile at you, and then they go on to to email about
what a scumbag you are - but you never thought of that.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Period. Now for shit's sakes, shut the fuck up. You yammer WAY too much
and you do tend to DOG (stalk) my posts and DO tend to persist with libel.
It's not parody. You are no pal of mine to make humor. I have a very
good sense of humor - but YOU aren't funny. You are one of the biggest
BORES on this newsgroup.
I don't stalk your posts... I open the newsgroup alt.satanism and there
they are.
It doesn't take a "pal" to make humor, I'm sure Al Franken is no pal of GW
Bush.
I am not GW Bush. I am a private citizen with rights. You are a person
that seems to thrive at defamation - and that is exactly what that is,
despite your futile attempts to say otherwise.
Quite a few people find the pics I parodied of you absolutely hilarious.
The only
people complaining are you and your buttmonkey nomeo.
Apparently Nomen is trying to get you to do it more, heh. Your time, Doug,
your will, your focus - and it's on me from what anyone can see if they are
objective. That makes you pretty pathetic - since you are there, in
Arizona, behind a computer. You aren't here.
I'm such a big bore and you find the need to tell me to "shut the fuck
up?" Hilarious... and you can stomp up and down and declare a million
times
I'm not getting to you.
The purpose of your life, since there is no other purpose, is to be the
biggest scumbag possible. You've achieved it.

Perhaps the people that give your art work lousy reviews would like to see
what YOU do online. Perhaps I will do as Nomen wishes. On my time, when
there is time. From what I have heard from a source that is from Phoenix,
you are fat with a pear shaped body, have bad legs, a lousy attitude that
ends up with you destroying any friendships you might make in real life, are
too old for that women you go with (Amy), and actually believe in absolutely
nothing - but have an attitude against anyone that does hold something
sacred. Interesting.

Have a nice day - I did.
-Douglas
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Post by Tani Jantsang
You have very odd ideas, there. See in. This is not a flame, btw.
Post by Tani Jantsang
big snip of your bullshit.
Ben is a woosie that falls into line very easily. He was abused as a kid
because he was FAT. He more than likely doesn't feel brave enough to
endure it again, so he joins in, in his own "pretend to be so moral" way.
Easy to see.
Ah, I see, don't attack the logic but put up a strawman and hope everyone
buys it.
Nope - that is just what the man does, repeatedly. Others have noticed it.
Even Ole noticed it back when he started doing it.
Oh, so appeal to the flip flopper. Many more people notice that you are
a kook... so they
must be right according to your logic.
Post by Tani Jantsang
I'm sure you had your fair amount of abuse as a child considering your gap
teeth
and mongoloid looks... I'm sure you would expect us to believe that you
never
have been taunted as a child?
LOL, I didn't have any gap in my teeth until my later 20s and that was due
to my having my wisdom teeth yanked out to prevent any future problems with
them. I had had no problem with them at the time . The dentist said my
teeth would move as a result of that. Gradually, they did. Obviously, I
don't care. Mongoloid looks? LMAO - Doug - when I'm not tan, I'm WHITE
WHITE, like a Swede, rosey cheeks and all. We all are. Our looks are about
as Mongoloid as any of the Slavic people, Ukranians and Russians, that were
in the area. I'm a red head, as were a few of them, plus some of the
American kids (usually Irish kids) were. Some people did call me "red."
They were friendly, not hostile. All of us, what you might call Soviet
emigres, were rough and tumble kids - very good in sports all around, very
active kids.
You look like a Swede... my ass. And since your buttmonkey nomeo
couldn't figure it
out... I am Swedish and you don't look like any Swede I've seen ever.
Ya look
like a retarded mongoloid... whether that is your heritage or not.
Post by Tani Jantsang
There were way more of us around than there were blacks ("colored people"
was the term back then that they themselves used) - and that was during the
time when enforced segretation existed down south, Douglas. No one picked
on the blacks either - and since they were also active, rough and tumble,
into playing sport-like games, they blended in quite well. The only kids
that were different were some of the Italians who were considerably darker
than any of us. The boys would play, but their girls were lame at anything
active. Some of the Italian kids were fat, but no one ever picked on anyone
for being fat. The Jewish kids, the few that were there, were all sort of
clutzy, usually wore glasses, were studious and smart as a rule and were
very skinny with weak legs. They DID get picked on - by a lot of the
Italians and some of the Ukranians. So you had a Slavs/Turanians from the
Soviet Union, blacks, some Irish, Italian boys, that were all playing fine
with each other, always active games, running games, with a ball or not,
bicycle and so forth. Sometimes playing cards, usually with one of the
adults or more plus kids.
This flys in the face of any interaction between kids... any group of
children makes fun of
anyone that is different... it's a given.

Endless ranting snipped.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Tani Jantsang
As for me - there is nothing you can "do" to me - except in your own
deranged - and yes, stalker mind.
I've got you ranting like a loon. };)
I'm not ranting at all, Douglas. But you certainly are. Since when do you
take simple discussion as ranting? In which case, you rant, you rant
constantly, you call people names for no reason save to try to stomp on them
(over cyberspace.....). This tells more about you than about anyone you do
it to. People laugh and smile at you, and then they go on to to email about
what a scumbag you are - but you never thought of that.
No one has ever called me a "scumbag" except you and your lackies...
which only
tells me I'm doing something right.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Tani Jantsang
Period. Now for shit's sakes, shut the fuck up. You yammer WAY too much
and you do tend to DOG (stalk) my posts and DO tend to persist with libel.
It's not parody. You are no pal of mine to make humor. I have a very
good sense of humor - but YOU aren't funny. You are one of the biggest
BORES on this newsgroup.
I don't stalk your posts... I open the newsgroup alt.satanism and there
they are.
It doesn't take a "pal" to make humor, I'm sure Al Franken is no pal of GW
Bush.
I am not GW Bush. I am a private citizen with rights. You are a person
that seems to thrive at defamation - and that is exactly what that is,
despite your futile attempts to say otherwise.
You are the Peoples Commissar... leading online member of the satanic
reds... open to
critique and ridicule, humor and parody... if you don't think so... take
me to court ya
dumb ass bitch.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Quite a few people find the pics I parodied of you absolutely hilarious.
The only
people complaining are you and your buttmonkey nomeo.
Apparently Nomen is trying to get you to do it more, heh. Your time, Doug,
your will, your focus - and it's on me from what anyone can see if they are
objective. That makes you pretty pathetic - since you are there, in
Arizona, behind a computer. You aren't here.
And you are there in Florida behind a computer not here... what kind of
dumbass
rhetoric are you attempting to spew here?
Post by Tani Jantsang
I'm such a big bore and you find the need to tell me to "shut the fuck
up?" Hilarious... and you can stomp up and down and declare a million
times
I'm not getting to you.
The purpose of your life, since there is no other purpose, is to be the
biggest scumbag possible. You've achieved it.
Not at all... according to email I have rec'd... more people think I've
got a good eye
for parody in manipulating your pics... I've not rec'd any negative
email and the only
posts to alt.silly condemning the parodies are from you and nomeo. I'd
say your
perspective is skewed in your favor while everyone elses is spot on.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Perhaps the people that give your art work lousy reviews would like to see
what YOU do online. Perhaps I will do as Nomen wishes. On my time, when
there is time. From what I have heard from a source that is from Phoenix,
you are fat with a pear shaped body, have bad legs, a lousy attitude that
ends up with you destroying any friendships you might make in real life, are
too old for that women you go with (Amy), and actually believe in absolutely
nothing - but have an attitude against anyone that does hold something
sacred. Interesting.
Bwahahaha... let them see what I do online... and where are those people
that give my
art work "lousy" reviews... I'm sure you are just making them up...
since we have not
rec'd anything but positive reviews in Phoenix... except for maybe
Jerome Debois... but
a quick read of his website will betray what a loon that dope is.

Your source in Phoenix obviously has his head up his ass... fat????
BWahahahaha...
I'm fucking skinny... 155lbs and that's it. I respect many that hold
what they believe
sacred... it would be hard to be involved in American Lakota Sioux Sweat
Lodges
if I wasn't... or have many Buddhist Monks as friends... so you
obviously are lying
tani. Keep it up... you are a source of endless laughter.

-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-30 18:53:37 UTC
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Oh, so appeal to the flip flopper. Many more people notice that you are a
kook... so they
must be right according to your logic.
As Tyagi so wonderfully pointed out, the majority of human beings regard
anyone using the "satanism" label to be super kooks. What else is new. You
can't agree to disagree. That makes you far from a free thinker.
Post by Tani Jantsang
LOL, I didn't have any gap in my teeth until my later 20s and that was due
to my having my wisdom teeth yanked out to prevent any future problems with
them. I had had no problem with them at the time . The dentist said my
teeth would move as a result of that. Gradually, they did. Obviously, I
don't care. Mongoloid looks? LMAO - Doug - when I'm not tan, I'm WHITE
WHITE, like a Swede, rosey cheeks and all. We all are. Our looks are about
as Mongoloid as any of the Slavic people, Ukranians and Russians, that were
in the area. I'm a red head, as were a few of them, plus some of the
American kids (usually Irish kids) were. Some people did call me "red."
They were friendly, not hostile. All of us, what you might call Soviet
emigres, were rough and tumble kids - very good in sports all around, very
active kids.
You look like a Swede... my ass.
Didn't say that. I am as FAIR as one, when not tanned.
Post by Tani Jantsang
There were way more of us around than there were blacks ("colored people"
was the term back then that they themselves used) - and that was during the
time when enforced segretation existed down south, Douglas. No one picked
on the blacks either - and since they were also active, rough and tumble,
into playing sport-like games, they blended in quite well. The only kids
that were different were some of the Italians who were considerably darker
than any of us. The boys would play, but their girls were lame at anything
active. Some of the Italian kids were fat, but no one ever picked on anyone
for being fat. The Jewish kids, the few that were there, were all sort of
clutzy, usually wore glasses, were studious and smart as a rule and were
very skinny with weak legs. They DID get picked on - by a lot of the
Italians and some of the Ukranians. So you had a Slavs/Turanians from the
Soviet Union, blacks, some Irish, Italian boys, that were all playing fine
with each other, always active games, running games, with a ball or not,
bicycle and so forth. Sometimes playing cards, usually with one of the
adults or more plus kids.
This flys in the face of any interaction between kids... any group of
children makes fun of
anyone that is different... it's a given.
Not when everyone even next door to each other looks different. The red
headed Irish with massive freckles was NOT poked fun of by the olive skinned
Italian with black hair.
Endless ranting snipped.
You see calm convo as ranting - that speaks a lot for your head.
Post by Tani Jantsang
I'm not ranting at all, Douglas. But you certainly are. Since when do you
take simple discussion as ranting? In which case, you rant, you rant
constantly, you call people names for no reason save to try to stomp on them
(over cyberspace.....). This tells more about you than about anyone you do
it to. People laugh and smile at you, and then they go on to to email about
what a scumbag you are - but you never thought of that.
Dagon Productions
2004-12-01 01:35:20 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Oh, so appeal to the flip flopper. Many more people notice that you are a
kook... so they
must be right according to your logic.
As Tyagi so wonderfully pointed out, the majority of human beings regard
anyone using the "satanism" label to be super kooks. What else is new. You
can't agree to disagree. That makes you far from a free thinker.
The thing is tani, even to Satanists... you are a kook. Your kookdom is
not because you
are perceived as a Satanist but rather your wacky rants and lack of
logic or objectivity.
Agree to disagree is just bullshit... it's all anyone can expect as I
can't make you change
your mind... so you are beating a dead horse with that one. And I'm
much more
a free thinker than you could ever be because I don't BELIEVE in
something that
is taken on faith... and you can paint it that you don't have faith in a
"dark flame" or
whatever... but since you can't provide any proof other than more religious/
philosophical/pseudo-science bullshit... that is plainly what it is.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Tani Jantsang
LOL, I didn't have any gap in my teeth until my later 20s and that was due
to my having my wisdom teeth yanked out to prevent any future problems with
them. I had had no problem with them at the time . The dentist said my
teeth would move as a result of that. Gradually, they did. Obviously, I
don't care. Mongoloid looks? LMAO - Doug - when I'm not tan, I'm WHITE
WHITE, like a Swede, rosey cheeks and all. We all are. Our looks are about
as Mongoloid as any of the Slavic people, Ukranians and Russians, that were
in the area. I'm a red head, as were a few of them, plus some of the
American kids (usually Irish kids) were. Some people did call me "red."
They were friendly, not hostile. All of us, what you might call Soviet
emigres, were rough and tumble kids - very good in sports all around, very
active kids.
You look like a Swede... my ass.
Didn't say that. I am as FAIR as one, when not tanned.
Hmmm... yes I'm sure you are with a couple layers of makeup... which you
obviously pile on in spades.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Tani Jantsang
There were way more of us around than there were blacks ("colored people"
was the term back then that they themselves used) - and that was during the
time when enforced segretation existed down south, Douglas. No one picked
on the blacks either - and since they were also active, rough and tumble,
into playing sport-like games, they blended in quite well. The only kids
that were different were some of the Italians who were considerably darker
than any of us. The boys would play, but their girls were lame at anything
active. Some of the Italian kids were fat, but no one ever picked on anyone
for being fat. The Jewish kids, the few that were there, were all sort of
clutzy, usually wore glasses, were studious and smart as a rule and were
very skinny with weak legs. They DID get picked on - by a lot of the
Italians and some of the Ukranians. So you had a Slavs/Turanians from the
Soviet Union, blacks, some Irish, Italian boys, that were all playing fine
with each other, always active games, running games, with a ball or not,
bicycle and so forth. Sometimes playing cards, usually with one of the
adults or more plus kids.
This flys in the face of any interaction between kids... any group of
children makes fun of
anyone that is different... it's a given.
Not when everyone even next door to each other looks different. The red
headed Irish with massive freckles was NOT poked fun of by the olive skinned
Italian with black hair.
Yeah sure. Italians and Irish have experienced much ridicule over history
in the USA and I find it hard to believe this did not spill over into
childrens
lives. Every kid gets hassled over something in life... it's just part of
growing up.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Endless ranting snipped.
You see calm convo as ranting - that speaks a lot for your head.
I see over the top verbosity as ranting ya dumbass.

-Douglas
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Ben Schultz
2004-11-25 23:49:50 UTC
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Now how did I miss this? Hmm...

It would seem that the problem is not my ability to "fall in line" but
rather my choice not to tow the line you are attempting to push.

Also, note the flaw in your logic, I am too insecure to subject myself
to ridicule, so I instead choose to endure your endless banter? How in
the hell does that even pass for logic? What color are the skies in
your world?

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:24:53 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
big snip of your bullshit.
Ben is a woosie that falls into line very easily. He was abused as a kid
because he was FAT. He more than likely doesn't feel brave enough to endure
it again, so he joins in, in his own "pretend to be so moral" way. Easy to
see.
As for me - there is nothing you can "do" to me - except in your own
deranged - and yes, stalker mind.
Period. Now for shit's sakes, shut the fuck up. You yammer WAY too much
and you do tend to DOG (stalk) my posts and DO tend to persist with libel.
It's not parody. You are no pal of mine to make humor. I have a very good
sense of humor - but YOU aren't funny. You are one of the biggest BORES on
this newsgroup.
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Post by Ben Schultz
Now how did I miss this? Hmm...
It would seem that the problem is not my ability to "fall in line" but
rather my choice not to tow the line you are attempting to push.
Also, note the flaw in your logic, I am too insecure to subject myself
to ridicule, so I instead choose to endure your endless banter? How in
the hell does that even pass for logic? What color are the skies in
your world?
You seem to not miss the chance to stick your nose into a convo and play the
moral high ground AGAINST me or anyone that says something that
looks/appears positive/neutral - if and when I or they are POKING BACK at a
flaming
retard.

You chimed in at an anon poster for shit's sakes - Nomen. You chimed in at
me when I did the lesser of two "wrongs." You are biased in that way,
clearly so. THAT you choose to chime in and play moral high ground is
comical. There is now yet ANOTHER anon poster. What? No moral high
ground?

The sky is blue in the day, black at night here.

You DO that and have been doing it. Others pointed it out, you know. It's
far easier for you to be poked at by me, than TRASHED by people that really
are exactly like the assholes that bullied you. That simple. I see it.
Nope saw it. Ole saw it way back.

Oh gee, wait - <notes date of this yammer> THIS is how you spent your
Thanksgiving - yet
you have a wife and quite a few kids now?

SHEESH - what color is YOUR sky, boy?
Post by Ben Schultz
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:24:53 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Ben Schultz
2004-11-29 02:08:54 UTC
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Actually, since I was discussed in the post I was responding to. Don't
you see it? I was PROVOKED!

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:55:03 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Now how did I miss this? Hmm...
It would seem that the problem is not my ability to "fall in line" but
rather my choice not to tow the line you are attempting to push.
Also, note the flaw in your logic, I am too insecure to subject myself
to ridicule, so I instead choose to endure your endless banter? How in
the hell does that even pass for logic? What color are the skies in
your world?
You seem to not miss the chance to stick your nose into a convo and play the
moral high ground AGAINST me or anyone that says something that
looks/appears positive/neutral - if and when I or they are POKING BACK at a
flaming
retard.
You chimed in at an anon poster for shit's sakes - Nomen. You chimed in at
me when I did the lesser of two "wrongs." You are biased in that way,
clearly so. THAT you choose to chime in and play moral high ground is
comical. There is now yet ANOTHER anon poster. What? No moral high
ground?
The sky is blue in the day, black at night here.
You DO that and have been doing it. Others pointed it out, you know. It's
far easier for you to be poked at by me, than TRASHED by people that really
are exactly like the assholes that bullied you. That simple. I see it.
Nope saw it. Ole saw it way back.
Oh gee, wait - <notes date of this yammer> THIS is how you spent your
Thanksgiving - yet
you have a wife and quite a few kids now?
SHEESH - what color is YOUR sky, boy?
Post by Ben Schultz
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:24:53 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
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Wonderful, so there was a pic attached to a post. I have my reader
specifically set NOT to download/view attachments. The fact that you
state it only showed up on "some readers" is evidence to support my
reasons for not "chastising" the person who posted it.

Now for the rest of your asinine rantings...

Responding to a publicly posted message is NOT sticking my nose in
anything. If it wasn't something I was intended to read, it wouldn't
be on usenet.

My reading comprehension skills are quite adequate to handle
alt.satanism. That's why my posts remain "on topic." That coupled with
a modicum of maturity is the reason I don't resort to petty insults
such as your comments regarding my weight...

Yes, Tani, I was a fat child. Yeah. I also had glasses &, for a year
in junior high, braces. And somehow I managed to become a functional
adult inspite of the *horror* being "abused in such a way." Funny how
things work out that way.

Now, just for fun, let's take your idea of logic & run with it. More
than 50% of the time, you respond to posts I make on this newsgroup.
Many of these posts, like the one in this thread, are not even
directed at you. So I could conclude that you are a STALKER. Another
one of life's little ironies.





On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:32:10 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Dearest Tani,
I didn't see it. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't follow
the URLs listed here even when I see them.
Uh, apparently it was not a URL - it was a photo Doug posted that showed up
on some readers. Now - since Nomen replied to Doug - and I replied to
Nomen - and YOU stuck your nose in it - I have to wonder WHY you didn't
chastise (ha ha ha) DOUG for being an insane stalker that collects photos of
this type of thing to post on here. That is my question. You've not
answered it.
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent on
replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this stuff
comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on the moral
stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that POSTED IT, Ben.
I puppy dog dare you, boy.
I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I was the
victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic markers
particularly geered to being a victim from your own experiences as a fat
CHILD being picked on by other children.
That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused in such
a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING very hard to
subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child - however impossible
that task might be. There is nothing any of them, or you, can do - to TOUCH
me. But I notice that abused people - you were one at the hands of cruel
kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when they grow up.
Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even going
out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.
So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people. Do
that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
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Post by Ben Schultz
Wonderful, so there was a pic attached to a post. I have my reader
specifically set NOT to download/view attachments. The fact that you
state it only showed up on "some readers" is evidence to support my
reasons for not "chastising" the person who posted it.
Now for the rest of your asinine rantings...
Nothing ranting or asinine about what I said. You wish it were so. Guess I
hit home on it.
Post by Ben Schultz
Responding to a publicly posted message is NOT sticking my nose in
anything. If it wasn't something I was intended to read, it wouldn't
be on usenet.
You respond in a way that is very noted by some. You get on some folks -
but not on the others that initiate it and do 10 times worse. Noted. You
behave as if a person in a cult either taking orders or daring NOT to go
against the Establishment opinion.

You get moral on me - but not on a person that provoked me 10 times over and
did 10 times worse.

You get moral on an anon troll, but not on the person HE poked at for doing
10 times worse.

Wow, now YOU TOO can be one of the boys that used to pick on you. Whoopee.
Post by Ben Schultz
My reading comprehension skills are quite adequate to handle
alt.satanism. That's why my posts remain "on topic." That coupled with
a modicum of maturity is the reason I don't resort to petty insults
such as your comments regarding my weight...
You find that insulting? OR petty? I think you are a person that hangs
with the
abusers now - you definitely TOLERATE them 100 fold - and I see a pattern,
since you WERE picked on.

That's not an insult. It's the truth - you said
it yourself - it happened. Well, guess what? ALL of you behave the same
freaking way, like clones. It was pointed out by others on here. You
CONVENIENTLY ignored it.

No one ever picked on me for anything. I was healthy, built good, fit and
pretty popular as a kid and teen. I played sports damned well (could kick a
ball across a football field and ran FAST) and I wrote and played music and
other things. Same goes for today offline in real life. I used to see some
bullies - tho it was pretty rare back then. They never did their shit to
me. But I used to see WHO they did do it to - and I saw later on what the
abused turned out to be like. Heh. Got a mirror? They either turned
abuser - or they had this curious thing
they did - which YOU do every chance you speak to me - where they pretend
that the abusers didn't start the shit.

Contrary to what Dug is saying here, I'm not
wondering why you don't "stick up for me" at all. I'm wondering why you
stick up for THEM by chiding me for poking back at them when they start
stuff and do stuff 10 times worse. It's curious.

Perhaps my poking back reminds you of how you did NOTHING back to those that
abused you, hey? I think so. I really think so.

You DO realize that this is all
not one on one, face to face. It would never happen in real life face to
face - not possible, babe.

So you have a job - you "lived thru a horror." Well, I never did -
big deal. Means nothing. Your character IS that of a formerly abused
person that does consistent things. You have done
it time and time again, and others DID point it out. You so conveniently
"didn't see their comments" or some other cowardly excuse. Oh, I bet you
did see them, alright.
Post by Ben Schultz
Yes, Tani, I was a fat child. Yeah. I also had glasses &, for a year
in junior high, braces. And somehow I managed to become a functional
adult inspite of the *horror* being "abused in such a way." Funny how
things work out that way.
You are very much like the abusers - whether you want to call that
functioning or not. Nope pointed it out too - you'll get ALL OVER me for
something - but not say a WORD to anyone specifically assoaited with the
particular cult you are in - if they have PROVOKED it 10 times over. Noted.
That's YOU - it is what you DO - and you ARE what you DO.

That's why you get angrier and angrier every time I pointed it out - LIKE
NOW, Benny. And what, spend your vacation reading alt.s and replying?
Post by Ben Schultz
Now, just for fun, let's take your idea of logic & run with it. More
than 50% of the time, you respond to posts I make on this newsgroup.
Many of these posts, like the one in this thread, are not even
directed at you. So I could conclude that you are a STALKER. Another
one of life's little ironies.
Wrong. I responded on topic - and many times it's not hostile at all - but
you surely do find ways to interpret it so. I aksed you a question, a
couple of them. You are either too scared to answer the questions - or keep
silent for some other strange reason. The questions weren't even strange.
Shit, I asked you what SBeing you believe in and you took THAT simple
freaking
question to be hostile. Sheesh. That's paranoid to the max, man.

You let certain people slide when they TRY to do exactly what those kids
must have done to YOU for the reasons YOU spelled out quite openly. Me
repeating the reasons (fat kid, etc) are not petty, or insulting - u nless
you regard YOURSELF as insulting and agree with those that abused you.

You play the high moral ground when it comes to MY behavior - but only mine.
Of course, the others that do their pathetic version of "high school bully
abuse" aimed at me are not given the morality lessons. It's noticeable -
HIGHLY so. It
tells me you live in FEAR of the inner kind.

Righto, I have no conception of what it's like to be fat, ugly, 4-eyed, a
clutz or a geek or anything other than healthy in my childhood and teen
years. I wear glasses NOW - I'm 53. I have no conception of what it's like
to be picked on by anyone. I do not live in fear of any kind. Never did.

You see me REACT to online bullying - like you NEVER reacted to real life
bullying - or maybe even beatings. You see you were a coward - and I'm
surely not one. You let the bullies online slide - yet try to get on me
with some moral shit. I asked you WHY - you can't even freaking answer it.
I think you don't know the answser.

I know why. ONE - the org shit (a theory). TWO - I'm a reminder of how you
did
NOTHING to those that abused you (not a theory). That is why you "side"
with them now -
albeit so tenderly. YICH. You are also a person behind a computer, not
face to face with me. Heh.

Now here's the brunt - you say that I said insulting things - I mentioned
you were the fat kid that got bullied. But then you say you WERE the fat
kid that got bullied - as you have stated about yourself before. So I
merely stated TRUE things. So then, YOU regard yourself as INSULTING.
Clearly put - you said it. Truth is never insulting. You regard it as
insulting even though you say it y ourself. Therefore, you regard YOURSELF
as insulting. (So did the bullies, Ben, they regarded you as insulting,
too.).

POINT: You can clearly see text he wrote that Nomen
replied to because you REPLIED TO NOMEN.

But you chided Nomen, not your cult pal Dug who did the wrongdoing.
Predictable
behavior on your part. VERY predictable. I find it odd that you can't even
see that you do that and HAVE done that. Very very odd.
Radu
2004-11-28 10:41:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Wonderful, so there was a pic attached to a post. I have my reader
specifically set NOT to download/view attachments. The fact that you
state it only showed up on "some readers" is evidence to support my
reasons for not "chastising" the person who posted it.
Now for the rest of your asinine rantings...
Nothing ranting or asinine about what I said. You wish it were so.
Guess I hit home on it.
Post by Ben Schultz
Responding to a publicly posted message is NOT sticking my nose in
anything. If it wasn't something I was intended to read, it wouldn't
be on usenet.
You respond in a way that is very noted by some. You get on some
folks - but not on the others that initiate it and do 10 times worse.
Noted. You behave as if a person in a cult either taking orders or
daring NOT to go against the Establishment opinion.
Phyllis you did the SAME THING when you were ordered to do so!



"You went too far, way too far. You attacked the dark doctrines, which are
Satanism in a nutshell." -Tani Jantsang



You are a CULT LEADER aren't you MAGISTRA JANTSANG. Now you are about going
against establishment but only because you were THROWN OUT of the COS. It's
all sour grapes and coattail riding!!!
Post by Tani Jantsang
You get moral on me - but not on a person that provoked me 10 times
over and did 10 times worse.
You get moral on an anon troll, but not on the person HE poked at for
doing 10 times worse.
Wow, now YOU TOO can be one of the boys that used to pick on you.
Whoopee.
YOU are the abuser and it is no dobut you were ABUSED by your FATHER!
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
My reading comprehension skills are quite adequate to handle
alt.satanism. That's why my posts remain "on topic." That coupled
with a modicum of maturity is the reason I don't resort to petty
insults such as your comments regarding my weight...
You find that insulting? OR petty? I think you are a person that
hangs with the
abusers now - you definitely TOLERATE them 100 fold - and I see a
pattern, since you WERE picked on.
YOU are the ABUSER! Do not attack Ben and Doug for what your FATHER did. They
are not your FATHER Jantsang.



Now go rage aggainst the COS some more. I ORDER THIS!!! <<<laughs>>>



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Kori Houghton
2004-12-02 06:11:19 UTC
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Another tasty item, "no archive" for the archives.
Post by Radu
Phyllis you did the SAME THING when you were ordered to do so!
"You went too far, way too far. You attacked the dark doctrines, which
are
Post by Radu
Satanism in a nutshell." -Tani Jantsang
You are a CULT LEADER aren't you MAGISTRA JANTSANG. Now you are about going
against establishment but only because you were THROWN OUT of the COS. It's
all sour grapes and coattail riding!!!
In a way, you're right. Cf all the mentions of LaVey and the COS on
the goofy SR site.
Post by Radu
Post by Tani Jantsang
You get moral on me - but not on a person that provoked me 10 times
over and did 10 times worse.
You get moral on an anon troll, but not on the person HE poked at for
doing 10 times worse.
Wow, now YOU TOO can be one of the boys that used to pick on you.
Whoopee.
YOU are the abuser and it is no dobut you were ABUSED by your FATHER!
Well, it's a theory at this point and nothing more...unless there's
some ***proof*** you'd like to share?
Post by Radu
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
My reading comprehension skills are quite adequate to handle
alt.satanism. That's why my posts remain "on topic." That coupled
with a modicum of maturity is the reason I don't resort to petty
insults such as your comments regarding my weight...
You find that insulting? OR petty? I think you are a person that
hangs with the
abusers now - you definitely TOLERATE them 100 fold - and I see a
pattern, since you WERE picked on.
I don't see Ben "hanging" with anyone in particular. He's posting on a
public NG.
Post by Radu
YOU are the ABUSER! Do not attack Ben and Doug for what your FATHER did. They
are not your FATHER Jantsang.
Now go rage aggainst the COS some more. I ORDER THIS!!! <<<laughs>>>
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Gotta luv these anond00dz.

Kori
Ben Schultz
2004-12-02 07:18:41 UTC
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Kori,

There you go trying to be logical and intelligent again. I wish you
would stop that.

Ben


On 1 Dec 2004 22:11:19 -0800, "Kori Houghton"
Post by Kori Houghton
I don't see Ben "hanging" with anyone in particular. He's posting on a
public NG.
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Wonderful, so there was a pic attached to a post. I have my reader
specifically set NOT to download/view attachments. The fact that you
state it only showed up on "some readers" is evidence to support my
reasons for not "chastising" the person who posted it.
Now for the rest of your asinine rantings...
Nothing ranting or asinine about what I said. You wish it were so.
Guess I hit home on it.
Post by Ben Schultz
Responding to a publicly posted message is NOT sticking my nose in
anything. If it wasn't something I was intended to read, it wouldn't
be on usenet.
You respond in a way that is very noted by some. You get on some
folks - but not on the others that initiate it and do 10 times worse.
Noted. You behave as if a person in a cult either taking orders or
daring NOT to go against the Establishment opinion.
Phyllis you did the SAME THING when you were ordered to do so!

"You went too far, way too far. You attacked the dark doctrines, which are
Satanism in a nutshell." -Tani Jantsang

You are a CULT LEADER aren't you MAGISTRA JANTSANG. Now you are about going
against establishment but only because you were THROWN OUT of the COS. It's
all sour grapes and coattail riding!!!
Post by Tani Jantsang
You get moral on me - but not on a person that provoked me 10 times
over and did 10 times worse.
You get moral on an anon troll, but not on the person HE poked at for
doing 10 times worse.
Wow, now YOU TOO can be one of the boys that used to pick on you.
Whoopee.
YOU are the abuser and it is no dobut you were ABUSED by your FATHER!
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
My reading comprehension skills are quite adequate to handle
alt.satanism. That's why my posts remain "on topic." That coupled
with a modicum of maturity is the reason I don't resort to petty
insults such as your comments regarding my weight...
You find that insulting? OR petty? I think you are a person that
hangs with the
abusers now - you definitely TOLERATE them 100 fold - and I see a
pattern, since you WERE picked on.
YOU are the ABUSER! Do not attack Ben and Doug for what your FATHER did. They
are not your FATHER Jantsang.

Now go rage aggainst the COS some more. I ORDER THIS!!! <<<laughs>>>
Ben Schultz
2004-11-29 02:33:18 UTC
Permalink
Have I ever "stuck up" for Doug? During the infamous copyright
scandal, I reserved judgment until I saw proof. But I didn't take
sides. In this particular case I stated that I didn't care about
Phil's genitalia. I made a blanket criticism of anyone discussing it.
Somehow you took this as a direct attack.

There are enough things that we don't agree on. I don't need to go
looking for them. Which is why I made the statement that you were
trying to be the victim. I wasn't discussing you, nor was I defending
your enemies, and yet you decided to take my post as an excuse to make
an amateur psycho-analysis of me.

You made these posts to illicit a response. Well, you got your wish
again. You have something to complain about. Another strawman for the
"Everyone hates Tani" fire.

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:05:18 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Wonderful, so there was a pic attached to a post. I have my reader
specifically set NOT to download/view attachments. The fact that you
state it only showed up on "some readers" is evidence to support my
reasons for not "chastising" the person who posted it.
Now for the rest of your asinine rantings...
Nothing ranting or asinine about what I said. You wish it were so. Guess I
hit home on it.
Post by Ben Schultz
Responding to a publicly posted message is NOT sticking my nose in
anything. If it wasn't something I was intended to read, it wouldn't
be on usenet.
You respond in a way that is very noted by some. You get on some folks -
but not on the others that initiate it and do 10 times worse. Noted. You
behave as if a person in a cult either taking orders or daring NOT to go
against the Establishment opinion.
You get moral on me - but not on a person that provoked me 10 times over and
did 10 times worse.
You get moral on an anon troll, but not on the person HE poked at for doing
10 times worse.
Wow, now YOU TOO can be one of the boys that used to pick on you. Whoopee.
Post by Ben Schultz
My reading comprehension skills are quite adequate to handle
alt.satanism. That's why my posts remain "on topic." That coupled with
a modicum of maturity is the reason I don't resort to petty insults
such as your comments regarding my weight...
You find that insulting? OR petty? I think you are a person that hangs
with the
abusers now - you definitely TOLERATE them 100 fold - and I see a pattern,
since you WERE picked on.
That's not an insult. It's the truth - you said
it yourself - it happened. Well, guess what? ALL of you behave the same
freaking way, like clones. It was pointed out by others on here. You
CONVENIENTLY ignored it.
No one ever picked on me for anything. I was healthy, built good, fit and
pretty popular as a kid and teen. I played sports damned well (could kick a
ball across a football field and ran FAST) and I wrote and played music and
other things. Same goes for today offline in real life. I used to see some
bullies - tho it was pretty rare back then. They never did their shit to
me. But I used to see WHO they did do it to - and I saw later on what the
abused turned out to be like. Heh. Got a mirror? They either turned
abuser - or they had this curious thing
they did - which YOU do every chance you speak to me - where they pretend
that the abusers didn't start the shit.
Contrary to what Dug is saying here, I'm not
wondering why you don't "stick up for me" at all. I'm wondering why you
stick up for THEM by chiding me for poking back at them when they start
stuff and do stuff 10 times worse. It's curious.
Perhaps my poking back reminds you of how you did NOTHING back to those that
abused you, hey? I think so. I really think so.
You DO realize that this is all
not one on one, face to face. It would never happen in real life face to
face - not possible, babe.
So you have a job - you "lived thru a horror." Well, I never did -
big deal. Means nothing. Your character IS that of a formerly abused
person that does consistent things. You have done
it time and time again, and others DID point it out. You so conveniently
"didn't see their comments" or some other cowardly excuse. Oh, I bet you
did see them, alright.
Post by Ben Schultz
Yes, Tani, I was a fat child. Yeah. I also had glasses &, for a year
in junior high, braces. And somehow I managed to become a functional
adult inspite of the *horror* being "abused in such a way." Funny how
things work out that way.
You are very much like the abusers - whether you want to call that
functioning or not. Nope pointed it out too - you'll get ALL OVER me for
something - but not say a WORD to anyone specifically assoaited with the
particular cult you are in - if they have PROVOKED it 10 times over. Noted.
That's YOU - it is what you DO - and you ARE what you DO.
That's why you get angrier and angrier every time I pointed it out - LIKE
NOW, Benny. And what, spend your vacation reading alt.s and replying?
Post by Ben Schultz
Now, just for fun, let's take your idea of logic & run with it. More
than 50% of the time, you respond to posts I make on this newsgroup.
Many of these posts, like the one in this thread, are not even
directed at you. So I could conclude that you are a STALKER. Another
one of life's little ironies.
Wrong. I responded on topic - and many times it's not hostile at all - but
you surely do find ways to interpret it so. I aksed you a question, a
couple of them. You are either too scared to answer the questions - or keep
silent for some other strange reason. The questions weren't even strange.
Shit, I asked you what SBeing you believe in and you took THAT simple
freaking
question to be hostile. Sheesh. That's paranoid to the max, man.
You let certain people slide when they TRY to do exactly what those kids
must have done to YOU for the reasons YOU spelled out quite openly. Me
repeating the reasons (fat kid, etc) are not petty, or insulting - u nless
you regard YOURSELF as insulting and agree with those that abused you.
You play the high moral ground when it comes to MY behavior - but only mine.
Of course, the others that do their pathetic version of "high school bully
abuse" aimed at me are not given the morality lessons. It's noticeable -
HIGHLY so. It
tells me you live in FEAR of the inner kind.
Righto, I have no conception of what it's like to be fat, ugly, 4-eyed, a
clutz or a geek or anything other than healthy in my childhood and teen
years. I wear glasses NOW - I'm 53. I have no conception of what it's like
to be picked on by anyone. I do not live in fear of any kind. Never did.
You see me REACT to online bullying - like you NEVER reacted to real life
bullying - or maybe even beatings. You see you were a coward - and I'm
surely not one. You let the bullies online slide - yet try to get on me
with some moral shit. I asked you WHY - you can't even freaking answer it.
I think you don't know the answser.
I know why. ONE - the org shit (a theory). TWO - I'm a reminder of how you
did
NOTHING to those that abused you (not a theory). That is why you "side"
with them now -
albeit so tenderly. YICH. You are also a person behind a computer, not
face to face with me. Heh.
Now here's the brunt - you say that I said insulting things - I mentioned
you were the fat kid that got bullied. But then you say you WERE the fat
kid that got bullied - as you have stated about yourself before. So I
merely stated TRUE things. So then, YOU regard yourself as INSULTING.
Clearly put - you said it. Truth is never insulting. You regard it as
insulting even though you say it y ourself. Therefore, you regard YOURSELF
as insulting. (So did the bullies, Ben, they regarded you as insulting,
too.).
POINT: You can clearly see text he wrote that Nomen
replied to because you REPLIED TO NOMEN.
But you chided Nomen, not your cult pal Dug who did the wrongdoing.
Predictable
behavior on your part. VERY predictable. I find it odd that you can't even
see that you do that and HAVE done that. Very very odd.
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Post by Tani Jantsang
But you chided Nomen, not your cult pal Dug who did the wrongdoing.
Predictable
behavior on your part. VERY predictable. I find it odd that you can't even
see that you do that and HAVE done that. Very very odd.
Problem with your logic tani, is that I did nothing "wrong"... I used
humor to
poke fun at you and nothing more... that you can't handle humor when you
are the brunt of it... only goes to show some problem with your upbringing.

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Anonymous
2004-11-26 07:52:04 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
Dearest Tani,
I didn't see it. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't follow
the URLs listed here even when I see them.
Uh, apparently it was not a URL - it was a photo Doug posted that
showed up on some readers. Now - since Nomen replied to Doug - and I
replied to Nomen - and YOU stuck your nose in it - I have to wonder
WHY you didn't chastise (ha ha ha) DOUG for being an insane stalker
that collects photos of this type of thing to post on here. That is
my question. You've not answered it.
Why do YOU stick your nose in DOUG business Phyllis. Are you INSANE? HA! I
think you are.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent
on replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this
stuff comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on
the moral stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that
POSTED IT, Ben. I puppy dog dare you, boy.
Go rage against the COS some more. I ORDER THIS! <<<giggle>>>
Post by Tani Jantsang
I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I
was the victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic
markers particularly geered to being a victim from your own
experiences as a fat CHILD being picked on by other children.
You have been a victim your whole life. Pregnant 2 times by 16 years old even.
An unstable life. This is not the life of someone in control of herself. Your
peabrained misreadings of the text you lecture on, even though you do not know
anything about eastern philosophy. Harassing Doug and Ben who DO know about
life and who are NOT victims as you are. This is your paradigm.
Post by Tani Jantsang
That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused
in such a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING
very hard to subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child -
however impossible that task might be. There is nothing any of them,
or you, can do - to TOUCH me. But I notice that abused people - you
were one at the hands of cruel kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when
they grow up.
Doug is not a stalker and Ben is not an abuser. How dare you accuse these men
of things your FATHER was.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even
going out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.
You can't handle the truth. You are a peabrain stupid muppet who was used as
an attack dog against ToS for years and years. Some remember your asslicking
and your groveling for LaVey. <<<puke>>> When you became and embarassment to
your masters <<<giggle>>> they threw you in the garbage where you belong. Others
found you in the trash heap, dusted you off, and began using you for their
own purpose.



That is the TRUTH.
Post by Tani Jantsang
So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people.
Do that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
Remember, no matter how many rejects and scum sit in alt.satanism, you are
the biggest reject of them all. <<<giggle>>>
Kori Houghton
2004-12-02 05:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Quoth the anond00d: "Why do YOU stick your nose in DOUG business
Phyllis. Are you INSANE?
HA! I think you are. '

Woo Hoo!!!

GOOGLE groups just transformed into a regular egroup, with
subscriptions and all! Now I can read all the no-archive msgs before
they roll off the system. Like this one!

So, c'mon anond00dz...let me add your posts to the permanent alt.s
archives. C'mon, and rock out with your sock out!
Post by Tani Jantsang
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent
on replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this
stuff comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on
the moral stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that
POSTED IT, Ben. I puppy dog dare you, boy.
Quoth the anond00d: "Go rage against the COS some more. I ORDER THIS!
<<<giggle>>>"
Post by Tani Jantsang
I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I
was the victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic
markers particularly geered to being a victim from your own
experiences as a fat CHILD being picked on by other children.
Quoth the anond00d: "You have been a victim your whole life. Pregnant
2 times by 16 years old even.
An unstable life. This is not the life of someone in control of
herself. Your
peabrained misreadings of the text you lecture on, even though you do
not know
anything about eastern philosophy. Harassing Doug and Ben who DO know
about
life and who are NOT victims as you are. This is your paradigm."

Yeah, but was she really in the sex-for-pay industry? That's what the
archives wanna know!
Post by Tani Jantsang
That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused
in such a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING
very hard to subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child -
however impossible that task might be. There is nothing any of them,
or you, can do - to TOUCH me. But I notice that abused people - you
were one at the hands of cruel kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when
they grow up.
Quoth the anond00d: "Doug is not a stalker and Ben is not an abuser.
How dare you accuse these men
of things your FATHER was."

Works for me.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even
going out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.
Quoth the anond00d: "You can't handle the truth. You are a peabrain
stupid muppet who was used as
an attack dog against ToS for years and years. Some remember your
asslicking
and your groveling for LaVey. <<<puke>>> When you became and
embarassment to
your masters <<<giggle>>> they threw you in the garbage where you
belong. Others
found you in the trash heap, dusted you off, and began using you for
their
own purpose.

That is the TRUTH."

Yo.
Post by Tani Jantsang
So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people.
Do that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
Quoth the anond00d: "Remember, no matter how many rejects and scum sit
in alt.satanism, you are
the biggest reject of them all. <<<giggle>>>"

Ah, but she's no Satanist, no Lama, no Adept, no Magician. She
***is*** a wannabe con artiste with a side of weird religion. I mean,
like, someone feels "a calling" to spread the word about their
religious experiences -- at a price??? But can't affort a real
website, one without ads jiggling up and down on the margins? Yeah,
right? LOLOL

Luv,
Kori
Kori Houghton
2004-12-02 06:00:01 UTC
Permalink
Quoth the anond00d: "Why do YOU stick your nose in DOUG business
Phyllis. Are you INSANE?
HA! I think you are. '

Woo Hoo!!!

GOOGLE groups just transformed into a regular egroup, with
subscriptions and all! Now I can read all the no-archive msgs before
they roll off the system. Like this one!

So, c'mon anond00dz...let me add your posts to the permanent alt.s
archives. C'mon, and rock out with your sock out!
Post by Tani Jantsang
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent
on replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this
stuff comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on
the moral stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that
POSTED IT, Ben. I puppy dog dare you, boy.
Quoth the anond00d: "Go rage against the COS some more. I ORDER THIS!
<<<giggle>>>"
Post by Tani Jantsang
I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I
was the victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic
markers particularly geered to being a victim from your own
experiences as a fat CHILD being picked on by other children.
Quoth the anond00d: "You have been a victim your whole life. Pregnant
2 times by 16 years old even.
An unstable life. This is not the life of someone in control of
herself. Your
peabrained misreadings of the text you lecture on, even though you do
not know
anything about eastern philosophy. Harassing Doug and Ben who DO know
about
life and who are NOT victims as you are. This is your paradigm."

Yeah, but was she really in the sex-for-pay industry? That's what the
archives wanna know!
Post by Tani Jantsang
That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused
in such a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING
very hard to subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child -
however impossible that task might be. There is nothing any of them,
or you, can do - to TOUCH me. But I notice that abused people - you
were one at the hands of cruel kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when
they grow up.
Quoth the anond00d: "Doug is not a stalker and Ben is not an abuser.
How dare you accuse these men
of things your FATHER was."

Works for me.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even
going out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.
Quoth the anond00d: "You can't handle the truth. You are a peabrain
stupid muppet who was used as
an attack dog against ToS for years and years. Some remember your
asslicking
and your groveling for LaVey. <<<puke>>> When you became and
embarassment to
your masters <<<giggle>>> they threw you in the garbage where you
belong. Others
found you in the trash heap, dusted you off, and began using you for
their
own purpose.

That is the TRUTH."

Yo.
Post by Tani Jantsang
So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people.
Do that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
Quoth the anond00d: "Remember, no matter how many rejects and scum sit
in alt.satanism, you are
the biggest reject of them all. <<<giggle>>>"

Ah, but she's no Satanist, no Lama, no Adept, no Magician. She
***is*** a wannabe con artiste with a side of weird religion. I mean,
like, someone feels "a calling" to spread the word about their
religious experiences -- at a price??? But can't affort a real
website, one without ads jiggling up and down on the margins? Yeah,
right? LOLOL

Luv,
Kori

PS: This Beta version of Google groups is muy flakey...gonna try
posting again and hope it's not a dupe.
Kori Houghton
2004-12-02 06:00:35 UTC
Permalink
Quoth the anond00d: "Why do YOU stick your nose in DOUG business
Phyllis. Are you INSANE?
HA! I think you are. '

Woo Hoo!!!

GOOGLE groups just transformed into a regular egroup, with
subscriptions and all! Now I can read all the no-archive msgs before
they roll off the system. Like this one!

So, c'mon anond00dz...let me add your posts to the permanent alt.s
archives. C'mon, and rock out with your sock out!
Post by Tani Jantsang
You even show an inability to read the TEXT that you are so insistent
on replying to - showing that you read with an obscured mind when this
stuff comes up. But you HAVE to reply in the sense to stand high on
the moral stage and try to chastise someone. Chastise the STALKER that
POSTED IT, Ben. I puppy dog dare you, boy.
Quoth the anond00d: "Go rage against the COS some more. I ORDER THIS!
<<<giggle>>>"
Post by Tani Jantsang
I have never, at any time in my life, been a victim save for when I
was the victim of a car accident. YOU on the other hand, have somatic
markers particularly geered to being a victim from your own
experiences as a fat CHILD being picked on by other children.
Quoth the anond00d: "You have been a victim your whole life. Pregnant
2 times by 16 years old even.
An unstable life. This is not the life of someone in control of
herself. Your
peabrained misreadings of the text you lecture on, even though you do
not know
anything about eastern philosophy. Harassing Doug and Ben who DO know
about
life and who are NOT victims as you are. This is your paradigm."

Yeah, but was she really in the sex-for-pay industry? That's what the
archives wanna know!
Post by Tani Jantsang
That is a point to ponder - yourself. You, after having been abused
in such a way, would FAIL to chastise insane stalkers that are TRYING
very hard to subject me to the same treatment YOU GOT as a child -
however impossible that task might be. There is nothing any of them,
or you, can do - to TOUCH me. But I notice that abused people - you
were one at the hands of cruel kids - tend to stick with ABUSERS when
they grow up.
Quoth the anond00d: "Doug is not a stalker and Ben is not an abuser.
How dare you accuse these men
of things your FATHER was."

Works for me.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Eat that. Chew it. Swallow it.
It's the TRUTH. You DO that - and you have done it quite a lot, even
going out of y our way, so to speak, to do it.
Quoth the anond00d: "You can't handle the truth. You are a peabrain
stupid muppet who was used as
an attack dog against ToS for years and years. Some remember your
asslicking
and your groveling for LaVey. <<<puke>>> When you became and
embarassment to
your masters <<<giggle>>> they threw you in the garbage where you
belong. Others
found you in the trash heap, dusted you off, and began using you for
their
own purpose.

That is the TRUTH."

Yo.
Post by Tani Jantsang
So then, JOIN IN with the skinny kids and go pick on some fat people.
Do that - you are doing the equivalent in analogy.
Quoth the anond00d: "Remember, no matter how many rejects and scum sit
in alt.satanism, you are
the biggest reject of them all. <<<giggle>>>"

Ah, but she's no Satanist, no Lama, no Adept, no Magician. She
***is*** a wannabe con artiste with a side of weird religion. I mean,
like, someone feels "a calling" to spread the word about their
religious experiences -- at a price??? But can't affort a real
website, one without ads jiggling up and down on the margins? Yeah,
right? LOLOL

Luv,
Kori

PS: This Beta version of Google groups is muy flakey...gonna try
posting again and hope it's not a dupe.
Dagon Productions
2004-11-25 02:21:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
I haven't seen the picture, nor would I want to. Phil's penis holds no
interest for me.
It shouldn't hold any interest for ANYONE. But you go tell that to DOUG -
who apparently POSTED the god damned link to a picture on yet ANOTHER url or
somewhere. Why MY pictures or Phil's sex organs would hold so much interest
for HIM is a mystery that only the mind of a STALKER could fathom. Or, oh,
he POSTED the picture as an attachment.
It's called parody tani... no one cares about phils sex organ, since
it's not his... but
they find the picture hilarious from the email I receive... and this due
to your own
posts about blowjobs, etc.
Post by Tani Jantsang
But then again, I don't see you chiding the person who POSTED THE PICTURE -
as usual. You dare not criticize certain people, we know, we know. You are
really pathetic with all that selective moral chiding, Ben.
What moral obligation does Ben have to stick up for you who can't see
any humor
in the pic?
Post by Tani Jantsang
WHY don't you do your lil moral act on the person who POSTED it, Ben? TELL
ME. You can't tell me any answer that's honest. When did you begin lying
to yourself?
There is nothing immoral about humor tani.

I guess you are just to stuck in your ways to have an open mind about
humor involving yourself.

-Douglas
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Kori Houghton
2004-11-25 03:17:10 UTC
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"Tani Jantsang" <***@SPAMpost.com> wrote in message news:<0F8pd.11176$***@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...

Is there even the faintest hope that you will grow up, Phyllis, before
they plant your senior citizen arse?

Ben hasen't seen either the original post, nor the pic. Neither have
I.

So, what seems to have happened here? Some wacko using dizum (again)
quotes a post -- supposedly from Douglas -- that I never saw. Does
that prove there was a post? NO!!!!

Supposedly this invisible post had a pic attached. Did you see it?
Did Ben see it? Has anyone seen it? Does this prove there ever was
either a post or a pic? NO!!!!

But LOLOL someone sure knows how to ---ring--- and make you
---drool--- LOLOL.

I am sorry to see you getting up in Ben's face over this. Whatever
did actually get posted, he had nothing to do with it. His only
"crime" is having a functioning brain.

Besides, it is pretty close to impossible that, even if there was a
post and some pic of a penis, it could have been Phil's.

You really are a dumbass!

Luv,
Kori
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Ben Schultz
I haven't seen the picture, nor would I want to. Phil's penis holds no
interest for me.
It shouldn't hold any interest for ANYONE. But you go tell that to DOUG -
who apparently POSTED the god damned link to a picture on yet ANOTHER url or
somewhere. Why MY pictures or Phil's sex organs would hold so much interest
for HIM is a mystery that only the mind of a STALKER could fathom. Or, oh,
he POSTED the picture as an attachment.
But then again, I don't see you chiding the person who POSTED THE PICTURE -
as usual. You dare not criticize certain people, we know, we know. You are
really pathetic with all that selective moral chiding, Ben.
WHY don't you do your lil moral act on the person who POSTED it, Ben? TELL
ME. You can't tell me any answer that's honest. When did you begin lying
to yourself?
Post by Ben Schultz
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:30:59 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Ben, where is the url?
Doug put up a url showing Phil's penis. (?) Apparently
so. Nomen is replying to a post by Doug.
But Doug's post is not on google
at all. Picture is not showing in Nomen's post, either.
See in, Ben.
Post by Ben Schultz
Alright, who here gives two pinches of shit about the size of Phil's
genitalia, or anyone else's for that matter?
Let's see a show of hands. Don't be shy.
Apparently the person who posted the picture of it, Ben - DOUG.
I didn't do any such thing.
I'd like to know where Doug GOT something like that in the first
place - where did HE get a picture of Phil's penis?
Post by Ben Schultz
Anyone?
I find it mighly curious that you don't give the same kind of tish tish to
the person, Doug, who POSTED THE GOD DAMNED PICTURE.
There you go again, Ben. There you go again.
Post by Ben Schultz
Come on. Obviously someone cares or I wouldn't have to continually
read about it.
What? No tish tish aimed at the person that posted it, Ben? I can see what
Doug wrote in Nomen's post. Doug did it again, posted another picture.
What? No moral outrage at that, Ben? No tish tish? NO admonitions for him
to "grow up?" No advice for him to "stop stalking?"
Post by Ben Schultz
No one?
hmm...
Yes, HMMMMM, Ben. HMMMMMM.
You see, Ben, contrary to the text you chose to quote - the text ran THIS
Snip the portion that I said to Lime days ago; irrelevent.
Post by Ben Schultz
You said we were at "WAR" so be it.
LOLOLOL, Drouggie, you are obviously at war with the lady - and the
obviously proven fact (you proved it, Doggie) that you have actually
collected photos of her is really weird. How long have you been a stalker?
Post by Ben Schultz
It doesn't take a asocial misfit or emotional cripple to parody an
image. It just takes a sense of humor.... so here you go ya old
bag, I've been holding this one until you pushed it too far once
Where? Oh. OH!!
HOLY COWS AND CATS AND LIONS AND WOLVES! CALL NINE ONE ONE. Phil Marsh has
a HUGE cock. HOLY SHIT - he's in a class with John Holmes.
+++++++++++
In that order, Ben. That is what was said, Ben.
When you choose to throw your "weight" into the ruckus, you prove youself to
be truly, an M. C. Pig. Oink. You are a coward. Either that, or your
selective reading ability is due to an exceptionally low IQ. I choose to
believe the former - it's the M. C. Pig thing.
By the way - if you are atheistic regarding Satan, what DO you hold as a
supreme being? Surely, you do have one. You must.
Coward. I wonder if you'll get drafted if Bush brings on the draft.
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-25 04:08:05 UTC
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Actually, a friend just emailed it to me in a forward. Apparently some
people CAN see it.

Uh, the name's Tani, you bitch.

"Kori Houghton" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
Ben Schultz
2004-11-25 05:41:11 UTC
Permalink
I just received an email with the subject "Ben, do you see this now?"
I assume that it is from someone hoping to show me the picture in
question. I do not open unsolicited emails, especially those with
attachments, from people I do not know and/or trust. As a matter of
fact, I have my email program set to send such things to a quarantine
folder.

Here is the real dilemma. Since I have already stated publicly that I
have no interest in this particular topic, what would possess you, or
one of your allies, to send a copy of the picture to me? Likewise, if
the picture is that objectionable, why perpetuate it's existence by
voluntarily forwarding it in an unsolicited email?



On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:08:05 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Actually, a friend just emailed it to me in a forward. Apparently some
people CAN see it.
Uh, the name's Tani, you bitch.
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2004-11-25 11:33:06 UTC
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My apologies that my antics have landed in your mailbox. I'd not send
any unsolicited pic to anyone. Besides the fact that I wouldn't have my
email s/w set to open any attachments and consider them all suspect.

Seems like there is quite a possibility that tani or one of her socks or
buttmonkies has been trying to be of service.

And who perpetuates the propagation of the pic thus far... tani and
nomeo anon poster.

-Douglas
Post by Ben Schultz
I just received an email with the subject "Ben, do you see this now?"
I assume that it is from someone hoping to show me the picture in
question. I do not open unsolicited emails, especially those with
attachments, from people I do not know and/or trust. As a matter of
fact, I have my email program set to send such things to a quarantine
folder.
Here is the real dilemma. Since I have already stated publicly that I
have no interest in this particular topic, what would possess you, or
one of your allies, to send a copy of the picture to me? Likewise, if
the picture is that objectionable, why perpetuate it's existence by
voluntarily forwarding it in an unsolicited email?
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:08:05 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Actually, a friend just emailed it to me in a forward. Apparently some
people CAN see it.
Uh, the name's Tani, you bitch.
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Ben Schultz
2004-11-25 23:44:35 UTC
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Doug,

I didn't suspect it was you.

Of course, that must be because we're such good friends.

It couldn't possibly be that you have an understanding of
"netiquette."

Ben

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:33:06 GMT, Dagon Productions
Post by Dagon Productions
My apologies that my antics have landed in your mailbox. I'd not send
any unsolicited pic to anyone. Besides the fact that I wouldn't have my
email s/w set to open any attachments and consider them all suspect.
Seems like there is quite a possibility that tani or one of her socks or
buttmonkies has been trying to be of service.
And who perpetuates the propagation of the pic thus far... tani and
nomeo anon poster.
-Douglas
Post by Ben Schultz
I just received an email with the subject "Ben, do you see this now?"
I assume that it is from someone hoping to show me the picture in
question. I do not open unsolicited emails, especially those with
attachments, from people I do not know and/or trust. As a matter of
fact, I have my email program set to send such things to a quarantine
folder.
Here is the real dilemma. Since I have already stated publicly that I
have no interest in this particular topic, what would possess you, or
one of your allies, to send a copy of the picture to me? Likewise, if
the picture is that objectionable, why perpetuate it's existence by
voluntarily forwarding it in an unsolicited email?
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:08:05 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Actually, a friend just emailed it to me in a forward. Apparently some
people CAN see it.
Uh, the name's Tani, you bitch.
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2004-11-26 04:16:09 UTC
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Post by Ben Schultz
Doug,
I didn't suspect it was you.
Ben,

I didn't think so... the post was made to clarify it for others that have a
hard time figuring such situations out.
Post by Ben Schultz
Of course, that must be because we're such good friends.
And you didn't even invite me over for Thanksgiving... that's it... our
friendship is over };)
Post by Ben Schultz
It couldn't possibly be that you have an understanding of
"netiquette."
Heh, I've picked up a few things over the last decade and half on the net.

-Douglas
Post by Ben Schultz
Ben
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:33:06 GMT, Dagon Productions
Post by Dagon Productions
My apologies that my antics have landed in your mailbox. I'd not send
any unsolicited pic to anyone. Besides the fact that I wouldn't have my
email s/w set to open any attachments and consider them all suspect.
Seems like there is quite a possibility that tani or one of her socks or
buttmonkies has been trying to be of service.
And who perpetuates the propagation of the pic thus far... tani and
nomeo anon poster.
-Douglas
Post by Ben Schultz
I just received an email with the subject "Ben, do you see this now?"
I assume that it is from someone hoping to show me the picture in
question. I do not open unsolicited emails, especially those with
attachments, from people I do not know and/or trust. As a matter of
fact, I have my email program set to send such things to a quarantine
folder.
Here is the real dilemma. Since I have already stated publicly that I
have no interest in this particular topic, what would possess you, or
one of your allies, to send a copy of the picture to me? Likewise, if
the picture is that objectionable, why perpetuate it's existence by
voluntarily forwarding it in an unsolicited email?
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 04:08:05 GMT, "Tani Jantsang"
Post by Tani Jantsang
Actually, a friend just emailed it to me in a forward. Apparently some
people CAN see it.
Uh, the name's Tani, you bitch.
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2004-11-29 06:30:49 UTC
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Sorry, I can be such a bastard that way.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:16:09 GMT, Dagon Productions
Post by Dagon Productions
And you didn't even invite me over for Thanksgiving... that's it... our
friendship is over };)
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Nomen Nescio
2004-11-25 03:50:16 UTC
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In article <***@earthlink.net>
Dagon Productions <***@earthlink.net> wrote:
You stupid, slow, retarded druggie. It's obvious that Tani and Ben both can't fucking see your stupid post with binaries in it. I'n't?

DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to you.

By the way, I read that essay that seems to get way under
your skin and some few others, but not everyone's skin at all cuz what's on there is obvious. She ain't dissing blow jobs or porn at all. You got shit for brains. She's dissing people that lie about it. She's dissing women that lie to men and then bitch behind the men's backs. She's advising men and women to be as brutally open and honest as gay people are to avoid problems. That's good advice. She's saying that guys predominantly into that ain't straight. She's right. They ain't.
Dagon Productions
2004-11-25 03:59:32 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
You stupid, slow, retarded druggie. It's obvious that Tani and Ben both can't fucking see your stupid post with binaries in it. I'n't?
DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to you.
It isn't obvious to tani, dumbass... hence her getting all over Bens case.
I also realize that some people cannot see it... I suppose I can commandeer
another yahoo account and post it for all to see... since you can't shut
your
mouth which prompts me to do such things.
Post by Nomen Nescio
By the way, I read that essay that seems to get way under
your skin and some few others, but not everyone's skin at all cuz what's on there is obvious. She ain't dissing blow jobs or porn at all. You got shit for brains. She's dissing people that lie about it. She's dissing women that lie to men and then bitch behind the men's backs. She's advising men and women to be as brutally open and honest as gay people are to avoid problems. That's good advice. She's saying that guys predominantly into that ain't straight. She's right. They ain't.
Doesn't get under my skin at all... but it's quite ridiculous. So girls
that predominately like
oral sex rather than fucking ain't straight... what pure unadulterated
poppycock and not
supported by anything approaching modern psychology.

Keep it up dumbshit, you are doing tani a disservice by opening your big
fat trap...
as it will prompt me to post the pics again and again, here and on the
web....

Bwahahahahah };)

-Douglas
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Nomen Nescio
2004-11-25 04:50:09 UTC
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Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
You stupid, slow, retarded druggie. It's obvious that Tani and Ben both can't fucking see your stupid post with binaries in it. I'n't?
DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to you.
It isn't obvious to tani, dumbass... hence her getting all over Bens case.
LOLOL, she got on Ben's case because he chose to shove his little moral nose into my post, despite that I quoted *your* post.
Post by Dagon Productions
I also realize that some people cannot see it... I suppose I can commandeer
another yahoo account and post it for all to see... since you can't shut
your
mouth which prompts me to do such things.
I'm hoping that you do it enough, and that Tani documents it enough, and get off her lazy butt and drags your sorry ass into a Florida court room. It would mean that she'd have to make an effort to do something that she probably thinks is a chore - all due to your own love of conflicts. I'm hoping. I can't force you to do anything. I ain't holding a gun to your head.
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
By the way, I read that essay that seems to get way under
your skin and some few others, but not everyone's skin at all cuz what's on there is obvious. She ain't dissing blow jobs or porn at all. You got shit for brains. She's dissing people that lie about it. She's dissing women that lie to men and then bitch behind the men's backs. She's advising men and women to be as brutally open and honest as gay people are to avoid problems. That's good advice. She's saying that guys predominantly into that ain't straight. She's right. They ain't.
Doesn't get under my skin at all... but it's quite ridiculous. So girls
that predominately like
oral sex rather than fucking ain't straight...
LOLOL that's not what it says at all. It says guys that predominantly like it are not straight. It says that most of the girls that say they like it, tell the guys they like it, go behind the guy's back and dis the shit out of the guy and tell other girls they can't stand it. That's what it says. LOL, I know for a fact some girls do that, uh, a lot of them do it. They lie their fucking asses off to the guys and trash them behind their backs.

What T wrote is condemning women that do that and advising them to be honest and open about it.
Post by Dagon Productions
Keep it up dumbshit, you are doing tani a disservice by opening your big
fat trap...
as it will prompt me to post the pics again and again, here and on the
web....
I'm hoping Tani documents and documents and documents and drags
your sorry ass into a court room. I'm even hoping that maybe something *else* might happen to you, LOLOL.
Post by Dagon Productions
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Dagon Productions
2004-11-25 18:03:05 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
You stupid, slow, retarded druggie. It's obvious that Tani and Ben both can't fucking see your stupid post with binaries in it. I'n't?
DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to you.
It isn't obvious to tani, dumbass... hence her getting all over Bens case.
LOLOL, she got on Ben's case because he chose to shove his little moral nose into my post, despite that I quoted *your* post.
When are dumbasses like yourself ever going to get the concept of
usenet... it's a
public forum... no one is shoving their nose into anyones business... if
you post here
people may reference you esp. if replying to someone who is an anon sock.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Dagon Productions
I also realize that some people cannot see it... I suppose I can commandeer
another yahoo account and post it for all to see... since you can't shut
your
mouth which prompts me to do such things.
I'm hoping that you do it enough, and that Tani documents it enough, and get off her lazy butt and drags your sorry ass into a Florida court room. It would mean that she'd have to make an effort to do something that she probably thinks is a chore - all due to your own love of conflicts. I'm hoping. I can't force you to do anything. I ain't holding a gun to your head.
Well at least you got the part right about you "can't force" me "to do
anything." part right.

Hell, tell tani to bring it on. I'd be sure to contact every media
outlet and let them see the
pic and then point to all tani's post on google... I'm sure it would
make a hell of a hilarious
piece.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
By the way, I read that essay that seems to get way under
your skin and some few others, but not everyone's skin at all cuz what's on there is obvious. She ain't dissing blow jobs or porn at all. You got shit for brains. She's dissing people that lie about it. She's dissing women that lie to men and then bitch behind the men's backs. She's advising men and women to be as brutally open and honest as gay people are to avoid problems. That's good advice. She's saying that guys predominantly into that ain't straight. She's right. They ain't.
Doesn't get under my skin at all... but it's quite ridiculous. So girls
that predominately like
oral sex rather than fucking ain't straight...
LOLOL that's not what it says at all. It says guys that predominantly like it are not straight. It says that most of the girls that say they like it, tell the guys they like it, go behind the guy's back and dis the shit out of the guy and tell other girls they can't stand it. That's what it says. LOL, I know for a fact some girls do that, uh, a lot of them do it. They lie their fucking asses off to the guys and trash them behind their backs.
What T wrote is condemning women that do that and advising them to be honest and open about it.
But there isn't one study that supports tanis kook theory. It's all
wishful thinking on her part and any idiot
that buys her philosophical tripe.

And ya damn dumbass... I'm not talking about females liking giving
head... I'm talking about them
receiving it... if the theory is good for the gander it's good for the
goose. Wrap your head around that
one and report back to me with why the same for a female does or doesn't
work within tani's
kook theory.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Dagon Productions
Keep it up dumbshit, you are doing tani a disservice by opening your big
fat trap...
as it will prompt me to post the pics again and again, here and on the
web....
I'm hoping Tani documents and documents and documents and drags
your sorry ass into a court room. I'm even hoping that maybe something *else* might happen to you, LOLOL.
She won't... for a few reasons... she's probably too poor, too chicken,
too embarrassed, as
well as she's all hot air and only knows how to threaten but never
follow through.

Oh, is that some sort of secret curse you have put on me... "hoping that
maybe
something 'else' might happen to" me???????

You are killing me with laughter.

-Douglas
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Nomen Nescio
2004-11-27 09:20:02 UTC
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Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
LOLOL that's not what it says at all. It says guys that predominantly like it are not straight. It says that most of the girls that say they like it, tell the guys they like it, go behind the guy's back and dis the shit out of the guy and tell other girls they can't stand it. That's what it says. LOL, I know for a fact some girls do that, uh, a lot of them do it. They lie their fucking asses off to the guys and trash them behind their backs.
What T wrote is condemning women that do that and advising them to be honest and open about it.
But there isn't one study that supports tanis kook theory. It's all
wishful thinking on her part and any idiot
that buys her philosophical tripe.
And ya damn dumbass... I'm not talking about females liking giving
head... I'm talking about them
receiving it... if the theory is good for the gander it's good for the
goose. Wrap your head around that
one and report back to me with why the same for a female does or doesn't
work within tani's
kook theory.
Hey, stupid. What she's writing about is not gay women, not gay men, not women geting cunnilingus, not foreplay. She's writing about men that are obsessed with one thing only, and that would be fucking the toothed orifice, LOLOL. Those men ain't straight. I happen to agree with that. She condemns women that lie to men that are into having women blow them, when the women lie to the men. she saying men should be open about what they want to do in bed before they get in the bed. That is all that little essay says. somehow, that got you in a real flurry.

Heh, T ain't poor. T is lazy, that's for sure. She could sue your ass for defamation, definitely she could do that. She should do that. She might be able to do a lot more if she wants to, for instance, prove that a person that knows she has disabilities is harassing her constantly.
Dagon Productions
2004-11-29 04:49:39 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
LOLOL that's not what it says at all. It says guys that predominantly like it are not straight. It says that most of the girls that say they like it, tell the guys they like it, go behind the guy's back and dis the shit out of the guy and tell other girls they can't stand it. That's what it says. LOL, I know for a fact some girls do that, uh, a lot of them do it. They lie their fucking asses off to the guys and trash them behind their backs.
What T wrote is condemning women that do that and advising them to be honest and open about it.
But there isn't one study that supports tanis kook theory. It's all
wishful thinking on her part and any idiot
that buys her philosophical tripe.
And ya damn dumbass... I'm not talking about females liking giving
head... I'm talking about them
receiving it... if the theory is good for the gander it's good for the
goose. Wrap your head around that
one and report back to me with why the same for a female does or doesn't
work within tani's
kook theory.
Hey, stupid. What she's writing about is not gay women, not gay men, not women geting cunnilingus, not foreplay. She's writing about men that are obsessed with one thing only, and that would be fucking the toothed orifice, LOLOL. Those men ain't straight. I happen to agree with that. She condemns women that lie to men that are into having women blow them, when the women lie to the men. she saying men should be open about what they want to do in bed before they get in the bed. That is all that little essay says. somehow, that got you in a real flurry.
No flurrry, just an obvious observation as I already pointed out and you
obviously can't
read... what's good for the gander is good for the goose. Choke on that
and once again
I'll ask you to point out how there is or is not a double standard
regarding oral sex
in regards to males and females.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Heh, T ain't poor. T is lazy, that's for sure. She could sue your ass for defamation, definitely she could do that. She should do that. She might be able to do a lot more if she wants to, for instance, prove that a person that knows she has disabilities is harassing her constantly.
She obviously doesn't have enough free cash to sick her lawyer on
anyone she threatens....
pretty weak I'd say.

-Douglas
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Kori Houghton
2004-11-25 06:39:17 UTC
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Dagon Productions <***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<***@earthlink.net>...

HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! So, you did post with an attachment of a parody pic!
And Phyllis didn't even see it, but started drooling just the same.
LOLOL!

Damn, I wanna see it. fifigaudyATpaDOTnet works, and it's already
been outed LOL

I'm keeping track of Phyllis' errors so far this week:

1) you had to be a Nazi to be drafted into the German army during WWII

2) Aquino wrote most of the rituals in SATANIC RITUALS

3) A couple of physicists started Chaos Magick to make money



She is, really, fershur, a dumbass.

Kori
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
You stupid, slow, retarded druggie. It's obvious that Tani and Ben both can't fucking see your stupid post with binaries in it. I'n't?
DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to you.
It isn't obvious to tani, dumbass... hence her getting all over Bens case.
I also realize that some people cannot see it... I suppose I can commandeer
another yahoo account and post it for all to see... since you can't shut
your
mouth which prompts me to do such things.
Post by Nomen Nescio
By the way, I read that essay that seems to get way under
your skin and some few others, but not everyone's skin at all cuz
what's on there is obvious. She ain't dissing blow jobs or porn at
all. You got shit for brains. She's dissing people that lie about
it. She's dissing women that lie to men and then bitch behind the
men's backs. She's advising men and women to be as brutally open and
honest as gay people are to avoid problems. That's good advice.
She's saying that guys predominantly into that ain't straight. She's
right. They ain't.
Post by Dagon Productions
Doesn't get under my skin at all... but it's quite ridiculous. So girls
that predominately like
oral sex rather than fucking ain't straight... what pure unadulterated
poppycock and not
supported by anything approaching modern psychology.
Keep it up dumbshit, you are doing tani a disservice by opening your big
fat trap...
as it will prompt me to post the pics again and again, here and on the
web....
Bwahahahahah };)
-Douglas
Dagon Productions
2004-11-25 11:45:34 UTC
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Post by Kori Houghton
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! So, you did post with an attachment of a parody pic!
And Phyllis didn't even see it, but started drooling just the same.
LOLOL!
Yes, I admit I did post a parody pic of the peoples commissar satanic
retard.
And yes I rang... she's not ignoring me... she drool and ran with it.
Post by Kori Houghton
Damn, I wanna see it. fifigaudyATpaDOTnet works, and it's already
been outed LOL
I'd be happy to send you copies of the two pics in question... just drop me
an email.

I'll check out the site.
Post by Kori Houghton
1) you had to be a Nazi to be drafted into the German army during WWII
2) Aquino wrote most of the rituals in SATANIC RITUALS
3) A couple of physicists started Chaos Magick to make money
She is, really, fershur, a dumbass.
Kori
Damn, tani's batting a 1000 this week in the kook department.

-Douglas
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Nomen Nescio
You stupid, slow, retarded druggie. It's obvious that Tani and Ben both can't fucking see your stupid post with binaries in it. I'n't?
DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to you.
It isn't obvious to tani, dumbass... hence her getting all over Bens case.
I also realize that some people cannot see it... I suppose I can commandeer
another yahoo account and post it for all to see... since you can't shut
your
mouth which prompts me to do such things.
Post by Nomen Nescio
By the way, I read that essay that seems to get way under
your skin and some few others, but not everyone's skin at all cuz
what's on there is obvious. She ain't dissing blow jobs or porn at
all. You got shit for brains. She's dissing people that lie about
it. She's dissing women that lie to men and then bitch behind the
men's backs. She's advising men and women to be as brutally open and
honest as gay people are to avoid problems. That's good advice.
She's saying that guys predominantly into that ain't straight. She's
right. They ain't.
Post by Dagon Productions
Doesn't get under my skin at all... but it's quite ridiculous. So girls
that predominately like
oral sex rather than fucking ain't straight... what pure unadulterated
poppycock and not
supported by anything approaching modern psychology.
Keep it up dumbshit, you are doing tani a disservice by opening your big
fat trap...
as it will prompt me to post the pics again and again, here and on the
web....
Bwahahahahah };)
-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-27 22:49:58 UTC
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"Kori Houghton" <***@hotmail.com> trying very hard to outdo Curio
wrote in
Post by Kori Houghton
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! So, you did post with an attachment of a parody pic!
And Phyllis didn't even see it, but started drooling just the same.
LOLOL!
Well, Curio #2 - shit for brains and skank ho - this is your Phyllis -
former pal or something of Dale Seago

Loading Image...

I emailed Dave for the names of those Chaos Magic originators. Will post
when I have the info.

You had to be a Nazi to be in the Wehrmacht. Big clue, skank ho - Hitler
was a TYRANT, remember? Those opposed to Nazi were in the camps. Those who
were anti Nazi or even look warm or cool - were thrown in the camps. MANY
Germans were in those camps - especially at first.

You are another stalker, er - BIG FAN. I didn't drool - you got that
backwards, you blithering hag. Dug drooled and he continues to drool - it's
called cyberstalking. He's insanely obsessed - and that's clear to anyone
with eyes and a brain. You don't have either - so kindly FOAD.
Post by Kori Houghton
1) you had to be a Nazi to be drafted into the German army during WWII
They swore their oath to Hitler, get a clue.
Post by Kori Houghton
2) Aquino wrote most of the rituals in SATANIC RITUALS
Uh, he did. No one hides that.
Post by Kori Houghton
3) A couple of physicists started Chaos Magick to make money
I'm no dumbass - but you are a fucking skank ho that loves getting stroked.
Fer sure. You are scum.
Kori Houghton
2004-11-28 23:45:33 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Kori Houghton
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! So, you did post with an attachment of a parody pic!
And Phyllis didn't even see it, but started drooling just the same.
LOLOL!
Well, Curio #2
Nice touch! Hope that got you the scratch behind the ears from your
handlers in the TOS which you seem to crave.
Post by Tani Jantsang
- shit for brains and skank ho
Haaaa! It seems that to point out errors in P.Commie's usenet posts
results in her posting a ***filthy article*** in response. Ring,
P.Commie? (And LlamaMama drools another goodie for the archive.)
Post by Tani Jantsang
- this is your Phyllis - former pal or something of Dale Seago
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/rose.jpg
TMI! TMI!

Okay, maybe I should not call you "Phyllis" in future. I mean,
Phyllis is a ***pretty*** name, which doesn't go at all well with a
woman known for posting so many ***filthy articles***. An association
of anything pretty with P.Commie would be, like, ***rediculous*** (you
all know what I mean LOLOL). Besides, the name ***Ooey Gooey*** suits
you best, LMAO.
Post by Tani Jantsang
I emailed Dave for the names of those Chaos Magic originators. Will post
when I have the info.
Super! Douglas will be interested in what Dave has to say, I'm sure.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You had to be a Nazi to be in the Wehrmacht. Big clue, skank ho - Hitler
was a TYRANT, remember? Those opposed to Nazi were in the camps. Those who
were anti Nazi or even look warm or cool - were thrown in the camps. MANY
Germans were in those camps - especially at first.
Thank you for clarifying that you are, indeed, misinformed -- to put
it politely.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You are another stalker, er - BIG FAN. I didn't drool - you got that
backwards, you blithering hag. Dug drooled and he continues to drool - it's
called cyberstalking. He's insanely obsessed - and that's clear to anyone
with eyes and a brain.
More to the point, upon perusal of the alt.s archive it becomes "clear
to anyone with eyes and a brain" that you have been throwing the same
ranting accusations for 7 years or so at anyone who dares to disagree
with your posted gibberish. All of your keyboard opponents are
"stalkers", are "insane" and are "obsessed" with you. Yeah sure. Uh
huh.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You don't have either
You wish.
Post by Tani Jantsang
- so kindly FOAD.
It's a pretty safe bet that every one of us will do that at some
point.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Kori Houghton
1) you had to be a Nazi to be drafted into the German army during WWII
They swore their oath to Hitler, get a clue.
That's not what made someone "a Nazi". Get a clue, Ooey.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Kori Houghton
2) Aquino wrote most of the rituals in SATANIC RITUALS
Uh, he did. No one hides that.
Why don't you provide the readers of alt.s here a list of the rituals
Aquino wrote which were included in THE SATANIC RITUALS? Prove me
wrong, Ooey.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Kori Houghton
3) A couple of physicists started Chaos Magick to make money
Well? You opened your (virtual) Gooey Gap yap on this one, now you're
waiting for one of your (male) handlers to feed you a factoid.
(Typical for the clueless K00kissar.)
Post by Tani Jantsang
I'm no dumbass
A river in Egypt.
Post by Tani Jantsang
- but you are a fucking skank ho that loves getting stroked.
Fer sure. You are scum.
How mature you are, Ooey! Since you can't respond to my points with
comments of substance, you call names -- woo freakin hoo! I sure can
hear your ***YIN*** talking here. Keep it coming for the archives,
Ooey.

Luv,
Kori
Tani Jantsang
2004-11-30 18:58:41 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Well, Curio #2
Nice touch! Hope that got you the scratch behind the ears from your
handlers in the TOS which you seem to crave.
One response to your noise. I have no handlers and never did have them.
But you are a walking drone with nothing but handlers. Sure, I flame back
when a person who starts shit refuses to AGREE to DISagree and resords to ad
hom bullshit. I don't particularly give a flying fuck what ANYONE believes.
I can't even fathom why you are on a hot horse here making noise.
Kori Houghton
2004-12-01 03:43:42 UTC
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Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Tani Jantsang
Well, Curio #2
Nice touch! Hope that got you the scratch behind the ears from your
handlers in the TOS which you seem to crave.
One response to your noise. I have no handlers and never did have them.
Whatever. IMO this is a matter of viewpoint, so I am willing to
"agree to disagree" about this.
Post by Tani Jantsang
But you are a walking drone with nothing but handlers.
LOLOL! I've really been enjoying your exchanges with Tyagi. It would
be great if he could talk you into making an honest person of
yourself, and I do mean that sincerely. One of the hurdles you will
have to surmount is this tendency to automatically classify group/org
members as individuals/individualists and true solitaries as
members/drones of a gang/herd. Even Tyagi noticed this in your posts,
and commented on it several times.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Sure, I flame back
when a person who starts shit refuses to AGREE to DISagree and resords to ad
hom bullshit.
"Agreeing to disagree" is a friendly way to handle a difference of
***opinion***. However, factual issues are another matter. Your
misinformation about the history of WWII, who wrote what in THE
SATANIC RITUALS, and who originated the Chaos Magic(K) movement aren't
the same kind of issues as whether one likes strawberry better than
raspberry sherbet, or whether or not one likes an entertainer, like
Julia Roberts. Catch a clue, P.commie!
Post by Tani Jantsang
I don't particularly give a flying fuck what ANYONE believes.
Which is why you don't seem to have grown as a person since puberty.
Still virtually sticking out your tongue and going 'nyaa nyaa nyaa'
isn't friendly chat or intelligent dialog. Too bad for you.
Post by Tani Jantsang
I can't even fathom why you are on a hot horse here making noise.
And many have posted comments like that over the years concerning your
continued presence here. Don't let the virtual door slap your sagging
arse on the way out, P.Commie.

Luv,
Kori
Dagon Productions
2004-11-29 04:59:22 UTC
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wrote in
Post by Kori Houghton
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! So, you did post with an attachment of a parody pic!
And Phyllis didn't even see it, but started drooling just the same.
LOLOL!
Well, Curio #2 - shit for brains and skank ho - this is your Phyllis -
former pal or something of Dale Seago
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/rose.jpg
I emailed Dave for the names of those Chaos Magic originators. Will post
when I have the info.
Well, I personally know those that started it and was involved in the
admin of the
org that first utilized the term "Chaos Magick."... so you would think I
would
know. And I do... at least I know you are full of bullshit as usual.
Post by Tani Jantsang
You had to be a Nazi to be in the Wehrmacht. Big clue, skank ho - Hitler
was a TYRANT, remember? Those opposed to Nazi were in the camps. Those who
were anti Nazi or even look warm or cool - were thrown in the camps. MANY
Germans were in those camps - especially at first.
You are another stalker, er - BIG FAN. I didn't drool - you got that
backwards, you blithering hag. Dug drooled and he continues to drool - it's
called cyberstalking. He's insanely obsessed - and that's clear to anyone
with eyes and a brain. You don't have either - so kindly FOAD.
Yes, you did drool tani... you came scurrying after a post I made of you
with a
dick in your mouth. It ain't obsession, it full on hilarity... nothing
more. Keep
trying to paint it otherwise, but your just an old hag without any sense
of humor
and an inability to laugh at yourself... so you just keep digging your
grave
deeper and deeper.. should I post the pics some more? Just egg me
on tani.
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Kori Houghton
1) you had to be a Nazi to be drafted into the German army during WWII
They swore their oath to Hitler, get a clue.
Post by Kori Houghton
2) Aquino wrote most of the rituals in SATANIC RITUALS
Uh, he did. No one hides that.
Post by Kori Houghton
3) A couple of physicists started Chaos Magick to make money
I'm no dumbass - but you are a fucking skank ho that loves getting stroked.
Fer sure. You are scum.
Uh, yes, you are a dumbass tani... because you don't know who started
Chaos Magick
and took the word of some idiots who said they did.

-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-30 20:01:02 UTC
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Another one, a younger "Doug's girl" but double chin and all. In the
striped blue shirt smiling real big. LMAO. Sheesh. I seriously do not
NEED to deface it, no need at all.

In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online. Anyone
that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input regarding looks
is lying or blind. LMAO.
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2004-12-01 01:53:48 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
Another one, a younger "Doug's girl" but double chin and all. In the
striped blue shirt smiling real big. LMAO. Sheesh. I seriously do not
NEED to deface it, no need at all.
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online. Anyone
that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input regarding looks
is lying or blind. LMAO.
What a lie... they may not have emailed you but a few here have
noticed your buttugly face and someone would have to be blind to
find you attactive whatsoever. No one with eyes that isn't
mentally deficient would want to touch you.

Funny that your buttmonkies must be working overtime, since I
just saw that pic for the first time yesterday.

-Douglas
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Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
2004-12-01 06:14:02 UTC
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http://www.webzine.ws/images/transfert_pics/team02.jpg
Another one, a younger "Doug's girl" but double chin and all. In the
striped blue shirt smiling real big. LMAO. Sheesh. I seriously do
not NEED to deface it, no need at all.
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth. I thought you and your people were
"mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this akathartic
bullying based upon body type.
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she managed
to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.

Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.

Regards,

Victor
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-Lautreamont
Kori Houghton
2004-12-01 10:29:36 UTC
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My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth. I thought you and your people were
"mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this akathartic
bullying based upon body type.
Ha! Her people have different standards of beauty, remember. The
Olsen twins are their dual goddesses of erotica.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she managed
to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.
Hubba hubba.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.
Umm, I thought he was an owner-operator truck driver? He hauls
fertilizer. That's way sexier than being a "paperboy" since it's a
***man's job***, if you can stand the smell.

Luv,
Kori
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Regards,
Victor
Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
2004-12-01 19:28:46 UTC
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Dear Kori,

Please see below...
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth. I thought you and your people
were "mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this
akathartic bullying based upon body type.
Ha! Her people have different standards of beauty, remember. The
Olsen twins are their dual goddesses of erotica.
Amy seems to be a perfectly decent looking female. She doesn't have to
puff out her chest like a baboon to claim the status of *stacked*, nor
does she pile on the pancake makeup for vanity pics. In fact: compared to
the hideous mug of Herd's CommieCzar and the beached whale nudies of Lady
Hades, she's veritable eye-candy.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she
managed to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.
Hubba hubba.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.
Umm, I thought he was an owner-operator truck driver? He hauls
fertilizer. That's way sexier than being a "paperboy" since it's a
***man's job***, if you can stand the smell.
I shouldn't be too "hard on" Ms. Phil Pannagio the papergirl. I look back
with fondness on my own career as a *well-paid courier*.

Like Phil, I once saddled up the old ten-speed with overloaded bags of
_The Bee_. Then made my way up and down the suburban streets with my
faithful Lab Sammy loping along behind. As Tani will note soon enough,
it's great work if you can get it. I made enough as a *truck driver* to
buy myself all sorts of cool shit that eleven year-old boys can't do
without.

One of my most fab possessions was a thumb bell for the bike. I wonder if
Tani's hubby has bought anything with his tips that were half as wondrous
as that?

*ring, ring* sez Phil as he chucks his papers and dodges traffic.

*ring, ring*

*riiiingggggg*
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Dagon Productions
2004-12-02 01:32:20 UTC
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Dear Kori,
Please see below...
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth. I thought you and your people
were "mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this
akathartic bullying based upon body type.
Ha! Her people have different standards of beauty, remember. The
Olsen twins are their dual goddesses of erotica.
Amy seems to be a perfectly decent looking female. She doesn't have to
puff out her chest like a baboon to claim the status of *stacked*, nor
does she pile on the pancake makeup for vanity pics. In fact: compared to
the hideous mug of Herd's CommieCzar and the beached whale nudies of Lady
Hades, she's veritable eye-candy.
Yes, she is stacked, no doubt about that and she only wears lipstick...
no other
makeup... unlike tani who looks like a trani and piles the makeup on in
heaps.
What is she trying to hide????

-Douglas
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Dagon Productions
2004-12-02 01:28:27 UTC
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Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth. I thought you and your people were
"mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this akathartic
bullying based upon body type.
Ha! Her people have different standards of beauty, remember. The
Olsen twins are their dual goddesses of erotica.
I'm sure they do have different standards of beauty if tani consideres
her mate to
be anything to write home about either.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she managed
to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.
Hubba hubba.
Heh, she charmed me...she had intelligence, a drive to get things done
and a wide range of
artistic and literary similar interests. Anyway, that's a bad photo of
her... the smile
is a bit over the top... but I still don't see it as ugly as tanis
photos... all those layers
of makeup and the gap in her teeth really gives her the trailer trash
look. BTW, the pic is from my gfs being
one of the lead organizers of the NYC Webzine convention where she lined up
Michael Moore and Chuck D to speak. I figure tani is digging for
something to
get at me... she can't do it with me, so she tries to attack someone who
has
never posted or had someone else post a word of hers here.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.
Umm, I thought he was an owner-operator truck driver? He hauls
fertilizer. That's way sexier than being a "paperboy" since it's a
***man's job***, if you can stand the smell.
Luv,
Kori
Hahahaha... he's a shit delivery boy.

-Douglas
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Kori Houghton
2004-12-02 06:31:01 UTC
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Heh, she charmed me...she had intelligence, a drive to get things done
and a wide range of artistic and literary similar interests. Anyway,
that's a bad photo of
Post by Dagon Productions
her... the smile is a bit over the top... but I still don't see it as
ugly as tanis
Post by Dagon Productions
photos... all those layers of makeup and the gap in her teeth really
gives her the trailer trash
Post by Dagon Productions
look. BTW, the pic is from my gfs being one of the lead organizers of
the NYC Webzine
Post by Dagon Productions
convention where she lined up Michael Moore and Chuck D to speak. I
figure tani is digging for
Post by Dagon Productions
something to get at me... she can't do it with me, so she tries to
attack someone who
Post by Dagon Productions
has never posted or had someone else post a word of hers here.
Douglas -- She's cute! And the body language of the group seems to
show a bunch of folks who
like each other. (Tani should respect that, at least, because the
group photos on her site show
the same thing.) I went to the site, and viewed the other pics, and I
saw Moore. Very cool. And I
agree that it's a way cheap shot to drag Amy into this since she's a
non-combatant here. That's
a very "satanpoo" thing that the K00kissar does, something she has in
common with her TOSser
buds. Whatever. I hope Amy just blows this off. At the very least,
she is getting free publicity
for the neat things she does. Who cares what "trani" sez?

By the way, did you get my email? I don't have any accounts with "Kori
Houghton" on them, so I
have to send email with my RL name on them.

Kori
Dagon Productions
2004-12-02 07:47:38 UTC
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Post by Dagon Productions
Heh, she charmed me...she had intelligence, a drive to get things done
and a wide range of artistic and literary similar interests. Anyway,
that's a bad photo of
Post by Dagon Productions
her... the smile is a bit over the top... but I still don't see it as
ugly as tanis
Post by Dagon Productions
photos... all those layers of makeup and the gap in her teeth really
gives her the trailer trash
Post by Dagon Productions
look. BTW, the pic is from my gfs being one of the lead organizers of
the NYC Webzine
Post by Dagon Productions
convention where she lined up Michael Moore and Chuck D to speak. I
figure tani is digging for
Post by Dagon Productions
something to get at me... she can't do it with me, so she tries to
attack someone who
Post by Dagon Productions
has never posted or had someone else post a word of hers here.
Douglas -- She's cute!
Well, hell that's one of the things I loved about her.
Post by Dagon Productions
And the body language of the group seems to
show a bunch of folks who
like each other. (Tani should respect that, at least, because the
group photos on her site show
the same thing.)
tani doesn't respect much, hence she doesn't get much respect back...
she's a
backstabbing, lying bitch.. I'd trust her as far as I could throw her...
and probably
not that much.
Post by Dagon Productions
I went to the site, and viewed the other pics, and I
saw Moore. Very cool. And I
agree that it's a way cheap shot to drag Amy into this since she's a
non-combatant here. That's
a very "satanpoo" thing that the K00kissar does, something she has in
common with her TOSser
buds.
I've expected as much for some time... actually surprised they didn't
attempt this
tactic earlier.

My girl is talented... one of very few people that the artist Tibor
hired... a
well known artists from Benneton ads and Talking Heads LP covers. This
experience getting her an automatic job at any NYC advertising agency.
Post by Dagon Productions
Whatever. I hope Amy just blows this off. At the very least,
she is getting free publicity
for the neat things she does. Who cares what "trani" sez?
Believe me... we are laughing hystarically over here... considering that
I only tell
Amy about a 1/10 of what goes on here... she can't believe what a kook
tani is.
Post by Dagon Productions
By the way, did you get my email? I don't have any accounts with "Kori
Houghton" on them, so I
have to send email with my RL name on them.
Kori
No I didn't get it. I've not dealt with email tonight... probably get
to it
Sunday....I've got an opening with Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo
Friday night... so my time is being spent hanging art... Chop Wood
Carry Water and all that shit.

I'll get them to you this weekend.

-Douglas
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Nomen Nescio
2004-12-02 10:20:08 UTC
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Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
http://www.webzine.ws/images/transfert_pics/team02.jpg
Another one, a younger "Doug's girl" but double chin and all. In the
striped blue shirt smiling real big. LMAO. Sheesh. I seriously do
not NEED to deface it, no need at all.
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth.
Oh is it? Maybe misfit people are klipoth? So many of them are not only ugly on the outside, but they are ugly on the inside too, and they only produce ugliness and try to turn something beautiful into something ugly. That's all they can do in life. Nice of you to come to Drug's aid(s) there, but if it's OK for him to do it - then it's ok for others to do it.


I thought you and your people were
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
"mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this akathartic
bullying based upon body type.
Your misuse of words is noted. Calling someone a "mother fucker" when you feel mad at them, is not akathartic at all.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she managed
to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.
No, he landed her fat ass and she probably supports him. After all, the business phone is in her name. LOLOLOL.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.
HA! paperboy? Where did that one get started. In your dreams? He has his own business and is in fact semi retired, you dumbass.

Maybe it's not so bad that society regards fat people on the lowest end of the biological spectrum. They tend to be some pretty rotten assholes, after all, not to mention the rot that is literally stuck in the creases in their own festering intestines. They tax the insurance companies due to their uncontrollable eating disorders.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Regards,
Victor
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-Lautreamont
Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
2004-12-02 15:51:55 UTC
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Dear Nomen Nescio,

Please see below...
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Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
http://www.webzine.ws/images/transfert_pics/team02.jpg
Another one, a younger "Doug's girl" but double chin and all. In
the striped blue shirt smiling real big. LMAO. Sheesh. I
seriously do not NEED to deface it, no need at all.
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth.
Oh is it? Maybe misfit people are klipoth? So many of them are not
only ugly on the outside, but they are ugly on the inside too, and
they only produce ugliness and try to turn something beautiful into
something ugly.
According to Tani, a klippoth can be known by his proclivity to seek out
and involve himself in conflict -- often without knowing what he is
doing.

That's a good description of a few people on alt.satanism. Last time I
was here, Tani and her pathetic sniff-boy (Lin Hurtt) were sexually
harassing this woman which neither had ever met or spoken to. I return to
find it's been apparently going on non-stop, all through the holiday
weekend.

Happy Thanksgiving, by the way, Tani. Nice to see that you spent it in
the same computer chair that you spent the last six or seven.

That's all they can do in life. Nice of you to come
Post by Nomen Nescio
to Drug's aid(s) there, but if it's OK for him to do it - then it's ok
for others to do it.
I don't see Doug looking up uninvolved people. Only Tani and her lackeys
are doing so -- openly and via anon socks. (LOL!) Did you enjoy your
Thanksgiving, sitting here obsessing over strangers?
Post by Nomen Nescio
I thought you and your people were
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
"mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this akathartic
bullying based upon body type.
Your misuse of words is noted. Calling someone a "mother fucker" when
you feel mad at them, is not akathartic at all.
You "feel mad at" this woman do you? Whatever for? I'm unaware of her
ever having published a single article here.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she
managed to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.
No, he landed her fat ass and she probably supports him. After all,
the business phone is in her name. LOLOLOL.
If she's his wife then by definition they're in business *together*. You
don't know much about this sort of thing do you?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.
HA! paperboy? Where did that one get started. In your dreams? He
has his own business and is in fact semi retired, you dumbass.
Maybe it's not so bad that society regards fat people on the lowest
end of the biological spectrum. They tend to be some pretty rotten
assholes, after all, not to mention the rot that is literally stuck in
the creases in their own festering intestines.
Sorry, if this were one of Tani's friends she'd be described not as fat
but as "big boned" or perhaps "mesomorphic". Maybe she's a Turanian, who
knows. Either way it's quite telling that you feel so threatened that you
have to obsess over her.
Post by Nomen Nescio
They tax the insurance
companies due to their uncontrollable eating disorders.
Just as Tani raises rates due to her compulsion for that cut-rate Kahlua
on display at the skid-row liquor store. We all have our little excesses
I suppose.

Regards,

Victor
--
I set my genius to portray the pleasures of cruelty
-Lautreamont
Doctor Nope
2004-12-02 16:12:36 UTC
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Well I see you're still thinking about me. Nice to know I own so much real
estate inside your pea brain.
See inside, fraudboi.


Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet wrote in message ...
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Dear Nomen Nescio,
Please see below...
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
http://www.webzine.ws/images/transfert_pics/team02.jpg
Another one, a younger "Doug's girl" but double chin and all. In
the striped blue shirt smiling real big. LMAO. Sheesh. I
seriously do not NEED to deface it, no need at all.
My goodness. Tani Jantsang is resorting to "lookism", fat jokes, and
other such markers of the klippoth.
Oh is it? Maybe misfit people are klipoth? So many of them are not
only ugly on the outside, but they are ugly on the inside too, and
they only produce ugliness and try to turn something beautiful into
something ugly.
According to Tani, a klippoth can be known by his proclivity to seek out
and involve himself in conflict -- often without knowing what he is
doing.
That's a good description of a few people on alt.satanism. Last time I
was here, Tani and her pathetic sniff-boy (Lin Hurtt) were sexually
harassing this woman which neither had ever met or spoken to. I return to
find it's been apparently going on non-stop, all through the holiday
weekend.
Who was I sexually harassing? Where are the googles to the posts? Show me,
fraudboi.
You know, your arguments generally degenerate to charges of sexual
harassment or sexual abuse. That's the famous LeNettoyeur trademarked last
resort. It's good to see that these days, you're so lame that you start out
with them.
The rest of the crap below is between you and Nomen Nescio. Leave me out of
it, you loser.
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Happy Thanksgiving, by the way, Tani. Nice to see that you spent it in
the same computer chair that you spent the last six or seven.
That's all they can do in life. Nice of you to come
Post by Nomen Nescio
to Drug's aid(s) there, but if it's OK for him to do it - then it's ok
for others to do it.
I don't see Doug looking up uninvolved people. Only Tani and her lackeys
are doing so -- openly and via anon socks. (LOL!) Did you enjoy your
Thanksgiving, sitting here obsessing over strangers?
Post by Nomen Nescio
I thought you and your people were
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
"mesomorphic", and as a result you were above all this akathartic
bullying based upon body type.
Your misuse of words is noted. Calling someone a "mother fucker" when
you feel mad at them, is not akathartic at all.
You "feel mad at" this woman do you? Whatever for? I'm unaware of her
ever having published a single article here.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Post by Tani Jantsang
In a way it is funny considering the photos of me that were online.
Anyone that thinks I ever even once got any kind of negative input
regarding looks is lying or blind. LMAO.
Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she
managed to hook and land the owner of an art gallery.
No, he landed her fat ass and she probably supports him. After all,
the business phone is in her name. LOLOLOL.
If she's his wife then by definition they're in business *together*. You
don't know much about this sort of thing do you?
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
Who did Tani score, in comparison? O, that's right, a *paperboy*.
HA! paperboy? Where did that one get started. In your dreams? He
has his own business and is in fact semi retired, you dumbass.
Maybe it's not so bad that society regards fat people on the lowest
end of the biological spectrum. They tend to be some pretty rotten
assholes, after all, not to mention the rot that is literally stuck in
the creases in their own festering intestines.
Sorry, if this were one of Tani's friends she'd be described not as fat
but as "big boned" or perhaps "mesomorphic". Maybe she's a Turanian, who
knows. Either way it's quite telling that you feel so threatened that you
have to obsess over her.
Post by Nomen Nescio
They tax the insurance
companies due to their uncontrollable eating disorders.
Just as Tani raises rates due to her compulsion for that cut-rate Kahlua
on display at the skid-row liquor store. We all have our little excesses
I suppose.
Regards,
Victor
--
I set my genius to portray the pleasures of cruelty
-Lautreamont
Victor's Holiday Sockpuppet
2004-12-02 16:36:29 UTC
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Hi Lin!

Whenever "Nomen Nescio" shows up here, I know you're not far behind. Nice
to see you responded within mere moments. (ring, drool).

Please see below, fraudboi...

Lin "Doctor Nope" Hurtt, of Louisville Kentucky
Post by Doctor Nope
Well I see you're still thinking about me. Nice to know I own so much real
estate inside your pea brain.
You mean like this example:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.satanism/msg/a6d91248a0f810dd?
dmode=source

Oh, wait, that was *you* who was spending your holiday ranting about
*me*. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Post by Doctor Nope
See inside, fraudboi.
You too!
Post by Doctor Nope
Who was I sexually harassing? Where are the googles to the posts? Show me,
fraudboi.
Quoth Lin "Doctor Nope" Hurtt, of Louisville Kentucky in message
<Ppzcd.8874$***@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"I bet you have an enlarged pic of Tani's
face that you make Amy wear as a mask when you pork her."

Sick, sick, sick. At any rate, if you don't like your own sexual
psychopathology dissected on the froup, the best suggestion I have is
that you take these problems oozing out of your relationship with mom (TM
Kori's anond00d) and find some sort of professional solution.
Post by Doctor Nope
You know, your arguments generally degenerate to charges of sexual
harassment or sexual abuse. That's the famous LeNettoyeur trademarked last
resort. It's good to see that these days, you're so lame that you start out
with them.
It's pretty difficult to leave your sexual neuroses on the back burner,
given that you're so dedicated to exposing them.
Post by Doctor Nope
The rest of the crap below is between you and Nomen Nescio.
Yes, yes. Nomen is some *other* sexually warped, frustrated old man.
Whatever keeps your hose up, Dope.
Post by Doctor Nope
Leave me out of
it, you loser.
Loser is an accurate descriptor for a man who lives here:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/rentingtrouble/ke102901s95000.htm

Fortunately, that article doesn't describe my neighborhood; rather it
details the conditions of the rat and roach infested slum which houses
Lin "Doctor Nope" Hurtt, loser par excellence.

Regards,

Victor
--
I set my genius to portray the pleasures of cruelty
-Lautreamont
Dagon Productions
2004-12-01 01:48:36 UTC
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Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
I emailed Dave for the names of those Chaos Magic originators. Will post
when I have the info.
Well, I personally know those that started it and was involved in the
admin of the
org that first utilized the term "Chaos Magick."... so you would think I
would
know. And I do... at least I know you are full of bullshit as usual.
No, I may be mistaken on the facts Dave explained years ago.
Yes, you are mistaken and talking out your ass as usual painting
your mental lack of acuity as fact.
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
You had to be a Nazi to be in the Wehrmacht. Big clue, skank ho - Hitler
was a TYRANT, remember? Those opposed to Nazi were in the camps. Those who
were anti Nazi or even look warm or cool - were thrown in the camps. MANY
Germans were in those camps - especially at first.
You are another stalker, er - BIG FAN. I didn't drool - you got that
backwards, you blithering hag. Dug drooled and he continues to drool - it's
called cyberstalking. He's insanely obsessed - and that's clear to anyone
with eyes and a brain. You don't have either - so kindly FOAD.
Yes, you did drool tani... you came scurrying after a post I made of you
with a
dick in your mouth.
I didn't see the post. DOH.
Bullshit... if you had not seen it or were not aware of it you
wouldn't be giving Ben shit for not speaking up against it. You
expect anyone to believe such bald faced lies?


And for the record, this is a picture of your fat girl Amy - and that was
And for the record, this is a picture of your fat girl Amy - and that was
mailed to me by what I would assume if one of your laughing pals.
Attached.
Heh, even Tommy Lee was stating last night on Conan that it's the big
girls that
are best in bed... and considering he's been attached to what many in the
media paints as "hot" and fucked his way around the world with his
bands... I'd agree.
Esp. considering that I've been married to a 105lb fetish model previously.

I guess it's time to get back to photoshop and have some more fun...
since this is war as you put it.

-Douglas
--
**********************************************
Dagon Productions
Chaos Magick & Occult books
http://www.dagonproductions.com
***@dagonproductions.com
Doctor Nope
2004-12-02 16:34:38 UTC
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It's funny, you'll note they've got the usual handful of hypocritical
excuses as to why they can make fun of your looks but you can't make fun of
theirs. Victor even graced us with a cameo during which he spins it by
saying Amy managed to "hook and land" an art gallery owner. I try to stay
out of a lot of this flame bullshit, but since Victor invoked my name
elsewhere in the thread, I feel I should post my thoughts on the matter. The
truth is more likely that Douglas managed to hook and land a young sugar
mommy. If you've been following along, you'll remember that Perihelion was
originally billed in a few small blurbs on the web, as something Doug and
Amy did as a joint venture of productions Dagon and Screech, not something
braggart Doug did and Amy latched onto, as Victor misogynistically
portrayed. It's more likely that Doug latched onto Amy because she gave him
the financial stability and credibility to open a gallery. She has a history
as a writer, and Dug doesn't, except for a couple of lame-ass rituals, in
one of which he boasts of lighting people on fire, which he says he's
performed many times. The phone, as noted elsewhere in the thread, and
probably all the other bills, are in Amy's name, not Duggie's. Hell, she
probably does most if not all of the real work too, while Doug sits on his
ass bragging to usenet about "his" accomplishments. If not for Amy, Duggie
would still be roaming the country blowing old sugar daddies to get money
for a fix.

"Whatever this woman's faults, it's notable to remember that she managed
to hook and land the owner of an art gallery."
- Victor LeNettoyeur, on Amy Young's "accomplishments".


Tani Jantsang wrote in message ...
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
I emailed Dave for the names of those Chaos Magic originators. Will post
when I have the info.
Well, I personally know those that started it and was involved in the
admin of the
org that first utilized the term "Chaos Magick."... so you would think I
would
know. And I do... at least I know you are full of bullshit as usual.
No, I may be mistaken on the facts Dave explained years ago.
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
You had to be a Nazi to be in the Wehrmacht. Big clue, skank ho - Hitler
was a TYRANT, remember? Those opposed to Nazi were in the camps. Those who
were anti Nazi or even look warm or cool - were thrown in the camps.
MANY
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
Germans were in those camps - especially at first.
You are another stalker, er - BIG FAN. I didn't drool - you got that
backwards, you blithering hag. Dug drooled and he continues to drool - it's
called cyberstalking. He's insanely obsessed - and that's clear to anyone
with eyes and a brain. You don't have either - so kindly FOAD.
Yes, you did drool tani... you came scurrying after a post I made of you
with a
dick in your mouth.
I didn't see the post. DOH.
And for the record, this is a picture of your fat girl Amy - and that was
mailed to me by what I would assume if one of your laughing pals.
Attached.
Tani Jantsang
2004-11-19 20:29:32 UTC
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Is
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Harry Lime
Tani just tired of alt.satanism? I think not.
What are you, going blind from doing those perverted things or something?
She just posted that faq or whatever the fuck that information is and
posted to some other guy. Maybe she has nothing to say to the "asshole
drone gang" on here. You don't have the ability to think, from what I can
see. You just spin and spin, twirl around and around, make up more shit
and then believe it. You're fucking nuts.
Yes, tired of certain people on alt.satanism, definitely - but I've been
tired of them for years now. They never give up! Gotta give it to them for
persistence in their obsessions.

I have posted 8 posts (this will be the 9th) since the 17th of November.
Five of them were on things I enjoyed. Of the other 3, 1 was to deliver the
mail, and two were to the negaters of life. And now this one to you. You
have to realize that Harry is the kind of person that flip flops like a half
dead fish caught on a line and sees only what he wishes to see out of a
lense so skewed that I wonder if he can legally drive, LMAO. He's also not
very inventive with his libelous shit. But he persists because he can not
STOP persisting. Now - that is interesting.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Harry Lime
Post by Nomen Nescio
So many Masons, high rankers too, that quit and turn real Christian always
think that and say that. The only defense the Masons have is to deny it to
another former high ranking Mason, or call the guy stupid or a kook (but he
wasn't stupid or a kook when he was part of the Masons as a high ranking
Mason, LOLOL) I ain't never heard a Elk Club member say that the Elks were
satanic devil worshippers after they got born again. There is nothing in
the Elks that would make anyone think that.
Hmm, you're right. Listen, talking to Masons online or in front of others
is nothing like talking to them one on one when none can hear what's being
said. I'd swear to that. Even some of the titles they have - you'd have to
be BLIND not to see occult influence all over it.
She never made more of that shit if someone asked her outright. How do I
know that? I asked her once, long time ago. She told me. Just because you
like to make more of it than it is, that's your spin. Your problem, too.
Your "issue."

What I make a lot of, and imo it still deserves to be made a lot of, was the
MATH - and I mean hard core math here, geometry. The fact is that no one in
any other school not anywhere at anytime, was taught Euclidean plane
geometry in that early a grade. The rest of the curriculum is what caused
problems because the parents thought it was paganism. It's kind of a
no-brainer why they'd think that. Imo ALL schools should get high standards
and teach that kind of thing to kids - and the ones too dumb to learn it can
just fall behind and screw em. America used to be TOPS in math and science.
Now America is equal to any 3rd world country - way down there. And of
course, every bleeding heart PC liberal in the USA knows exactly why all
that happened. The tracking system was abandoned because someone thought it
was "racist." THAT is why it happened. The dumbing down of education
proceeded from there - and they ALL know it. They are in denial over it.
I'd not otherwise give a shit except that this shit has turned MOST of the
USA into a 3rd world country where the people, inclucing the more educated
among them, think not so much differently than the Taliban. All of that
liberal SHIT, the social ROT - was FUNDED BY MOSCOW - and the archives
opened proved it.

Now you got the neocons - all of them Leo Strauss school people - they KNOW
religion is opium, but they also know that stupid people NEED opium. The
control the country right now. ALL of that happened due to the stupid shit
that the liberal dupes did in the past. One led to the other.
Post by Nomen Nescio
ex-Masons turned Christian. There is a whole lot in Freemasons that would
lead anyone to think they are satanists or luciferian at least. Ask
Crowley, he used to be a Mason, remember? You believe the tripe they tell
you in public? LOLOLOL. Get a clue, they are a secret organization with
secret shit and signs. Christisn churches don't even have that. Jewish
synagogues don't even have that. Private clubs don't have it either and
that's my point. They ain't just some private club. The exMasons that
tell it are telling the truth.
Agree and that's from SOME Rainbow and about dozen times in OES way back
then. Sure they'll deny it. What the fuck. Ben is a COS member and a
Mason - try to get him to "talk about" the Masons. Go try that.
Post by Nomen Nescio
From what I can see of those not so innocent "marxists" that were not
Marxists at all, they deserved it, they asked for it, they provoked it.
They accused her of doing that shit when she didn't do it - and so she
went and did it. LOLOLOL. That's T. Not so long ago you and your pals
were trashing the fuck out of those Micky Maoers and saying that for them
to call anyone names is a compliment. Keep spinning, you old, wasted
fucker. Ooops, wrong name. You ain't a fucker, your back is too weak and
you are too fat for that kind of exercise. You are a sucker, a lame assed
sucker.
Heh, that is what happened - and they also trashed the CPUSA and every other
standard MARXIST org out there. Those guys liked the Gang of Four and Mrs.
Mao and believed and wrote much about how white males were the EVIL that has
to be wiped away. They wrote that ALL sex was rape. They wrote shit so far
left it was off the cliff. And they ASKED ME to argue with them so that
they could get good debates going. So I did. Then they complained? Then
they take the arguments they asked for out of context and claim I SAID that?
uh, I said it in a DEBATE they asked for, playing the devil's advocate.
They ASKED me to do that. Fucking MORONS. Self hating white males. They
were in writing and word pro terrorist organizations. That's them. They
accused me of a bunch of shit I never said and never did. And so when they
kept accusing - I fucking DID IT and let them see it too. Gimme a BADGE
goddammit.
Post by Nomen Nescio
HA HA HA HA HA, T didn't have no kids in NJ. She made that shit up you
fucking moron. But Zeena did have kids at the age of 14, LOLOL.
Correction - I didn't have kids when I was in school or college :-D. You
think these fucking stalkers wouldn't try to find them or something? That
would be their speed.
Post by Nomen Nescio
You fucking moron, either you can't read what the woman said, or you are
just being a total asshole as is the norm for you. She said that some
relative insisted on it *when she was a baby* in case she wanted to become
Catholic someday when she grew up. Babies don't have a say in the matter,
you fucking twit. That makes sense. Ha ha, her name ain't Jansen. It's
Jantsang. God damn you just make up the shit as you go along, one step at
a time, little by little, you just make up the shit as you go along.
She's Turkish *and Russian* if you want to know. But you already knew
that.
Fact is, my Moslem cousins, especially the older ones, regard me as a Moslem
because I ONCE said "OK, Allah is God, and Mohammed is His Prophet."
Bingo - I'm a Moslem. Actually, I'm not. I can go into a mosque tho and
become one. I can go to a Catholic church and become one too - that's a
clear road too. That's good. I like the Turkish Moslems - they are VERY
different from those Afro Semite Moslems in temperment and even in how they
believe things. I also like the Catholics - all the ones I ever knew were
nice people. All Italian. They know how to throw a real feast and party.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Amazing what a diseased mind
Post by Harry Lime
can do to one's self-apperception.
Amazing what a perverted, obsessed and definitely sociopathic diseased
mind (yours) can do with tid bits of information, spin spin spin and
remember - thou shalt obsess.
The problem with people like Harry is that they HAVE a self apperception. I
have none save what I see in a mirror or photo. That's about IT. I don't
freaking THINK like that or give a fuck about shit like that. I DO. I DO
what I want to do. I do NOT do what I do NOT want to do. That seems to
bother these pooheads enough to make them obsess and HANG desperately on
every passing mention of something I like. I bought a new mower (flame it).
I like to dance (flame it). I do not like certain things (flame that too).
They are obsessed. I change from day to day never giving a shit if what I
thought yesterday eg, about Kerry contradicts what I think today about
Kerry. Why SHOULD anyone care what I think about anything? I patently
don't give a shit what they think about anything. That's the mystery of it,
for me. THEY CARE - and I can't fathom why. Like, I have an opinion about
certain behaviors. So what? WHY would ANYONE care about what I think?
THEY DO.
Post by Nomen Nescio
Nice to see that Tani is still
Post by Harry Lime
attracting racists -- this time those against Wasps.
Uh, fact of the matter is, every single otherwise liberal minded person I
know that voted for BUSH - and that's about a few 1000 people in clubs - did
so for veiled RACIST reasons. FACT. And I "should" care about that WHY? I
don't care about it. AT ALL.
Post by Nomen Nescio
People don't necessarily go out in the sun to "get tan." That shit's
genetic anyway. People with shitty genes should be trashed out of the
gene pool. Eugenics. I like that idea. It's a good idea. Breed out
weak shit and disease.
Agree, it's genetic. If people are prone to skin cancer - and sooner or
later they WILL devise a test for it, they should keep out of the sun at all
times - and eventually be bred out of the gene pool. I agree with that. If
he is so worried about it, I suggest he stay off the beaches. Blacks also
get skin cancers so it's not just about melanin. It's GENETIC. People that
worry about this like that better stop breathing the polluted air, too - why
don't they. Point is, I don't give a shit what they do, or do not do. I
never did, never would and never do care about it.

You posting this kind of stuff, appearing to defend me (when one on one we'd
probably go at it) is not doing me any favors. But you knew that. It just
gets obsessive people to obsess more and CARE about me. These fucking
people don't freaking exist in the same way that my nice cup of latte next
to me exists.

HEY - 8 o'clock coffee columbian brand. Grind the beans "Turkish grind"
which is smaller than expresso. If you don't have that, then grind them
expresso. Put four coffee scoops to 12 cups of water in the drip brewer.
Get the coffee. In cup, fill cup about 5/6 full, put in some HERSHEY'S
CHOCOLATE - the kind they sell for milk (gauge the amount to taste). Then
either put in suger and/or milk - or just drink. DELICIOUS LATTE. You can
top with whipped cream too. GOD DAMN it's DELICIOUS. Now baby, THAT is
real!

YOU have to be either one of 98 people or one of the 5 bcc people that got a
copy of that email I got mentioning R and C and chat rooms! Or you are the
person that sent me the email - Gerry? Well, fuck that and fuck them. Try
the LATTE.

Question - why DON'T you post using SOME kind of identifying name even if
you use that anonymous service?

Cheers.
Tani Jantsang
2004-11-18 09:00:09 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "walter alter" ***@xxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of sublime insouciance in the ToS
plagiarism debacle


|
| Hi Tani,
|
| I gotta thank you for standing up for me through this and I'm sorry that
Dug turned out to have
| the aces. I forgot that the intro to the ritual said that the calls were
borrowed, I just posted
| the ritual on the ToS website as Bonnie gave them to me. Those were her
introductory comments
| there, so she knew goddamned good and well she "borrowed" part of the
ritual. She had access to
| the IOT crap, she and her husband had tons of occult literature and had
been active in the OTO for
| many years. The OTO and the Chaos people are tight together, most of them
are musicians and
| artists. The SF underground art scene was pretty much an offshoot of the
radical left LHP
| community. I attended OTO, Cherotic Magic, TOPY rituals and even a Tesla
seance at The New
| College, ATA Gallery, 451 10th St., Squigle Gallery, Club Generic, etc.
all of them leading
| underground art galleries and/or performance spaces in SF in the 80's.
|
| SF, home of the beatniks, devotees of William S. Burroughs, whose rasping
narration of an
| unwatchable silent Dutch film from the 20's about the travails of midieval
witches is still
| basically considered a holy relic by the urban primitive cafe au lait &
Aquavit LHP spectrum, had
| and has more withches, warlocks, orcs, imps, banshees, nosferati, face
paint ghouls, and
| widdershin dervishes per capita than the Vatican has pederasts. Hell, my
request of a well known
| S&M house to let the ToS's Antewey Pylon do a ritual in their dungeon was
a total no problem just
| don't play with the sharper toys kind of thing.
|
| Bonnie had access to the OIT literature and a reason to plagiarize, she
had to have a ritual ready
| for our next Smoking Mirror Pylon meeting. Craig and I had read every
book on Aztec lore and
| anthropology we could get our hands on including the rare Hernando Ruíz de
Alarcón's treatise on
| Aztec spells and incantations, with both the Nahuatl and Spanish versions
side by side so we could
| use Nahuatl phrases in the rituals. We could have written a dozen rituals
with one hand tied
| behind our back, we didn't need to raid some obscure fucking OIT rag.
And, yah, we did the ritual
| in '94 or early '95. Buttwipe can find out from his (spooky theramin
music) "Temple of Set
| sources" when the Las Vegas Conclave was. He won't like the date he'll
get. All our rituals were
| from that time period.
|
| The Smoking Mirror Pylon disintegrated as a local Pylon during that
Conclave and carried on
| subsequently as a correspondence Pylon, meaning we didn't meet and do
rituals so no rituals were
| written after that mid '94-'95 time period period. Buttface is making
this "dates from 2000" crap
| up based on the posting of all Smoking Mirror Pylon ritual and literature
to the ToS website at
| that time. The Smoking Mirror Pylon had only an online presence after
2000 and was briefly
| upgraded from a Pylon to an Element before it was hijakced by Nicholas
Schreck and abandoned after
| the great schism. After the Las Vegas Conclave, the Smoking Mirror Pylon
never had another
| meeting, so no other rituals were ever written.
|
| Basically I've been getting hammered for defending a former ToS colleague,
someone I thought wrote
| the freaking ritual, against a triumverate of compulsive psychotic jackals
who have made
| alt.satanism the dildo mundi upon which their lives revolve. I don't have
time to hock up big
| sticky louies day after day. Dug, Lime and that overpass mattress floozie
who is taking them on
| in both holes, can eat canned tuna and die. Their utterly flat, banal and
witless paroxysms
| define Satanic pique in a way that only a mother fucker could love.
|
| ========
|
| Go ahead and post that, the last fucking thing I got to offer on the
matter. This shit is taking
| time I don't have. Thanks again for representing me on a.s, I know it's
been a bother for you too. Those fuckers
| will never stop, will never learn, will never see reason. They are spring
wound buzz toys
| watching their "alternative lifestyles" run out of time as the cultural
background of the '60's
| continues to be yanked out from under.
|
Dagon Productions
2004-11-19 02:00:48 UTC
Permalink
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of sublime insouciance in the ToS
plagiarism debacle
|
| Hi Tani,
|
| I gotta thank you for standing up for me through this and I'm sorry that
Dug turned out to have
| the aces.
Finally walter got something right... I held all the aces and time
proved me
correct on all fronts... that basically walter was talking out his ass
attempting
to defend one of his ex ToS mates.
I forgot that the intro to the ritual said that the calls were
borrowed,
Yes, you did forget and made up shit in the meantime, such as "I watched
her
write it."
I just posted
| the ritual on the ToS website as Bonnie gave them to me. Those were her
introductory comments
| there,
Prove it. You have yet to do so... why do I have better access to ToS
documents
than you do walter?
so she knew goddamned good and well she "borrowed" part of the
ritual. She had access to
| the IOT crap, she and her husband had tons of occult literature and had
been active in the OTO for
| many years. The OTO and the Chaos people are tight together, most of them
are musicians and
| artists.
A ridiculous generalization... the IOT and the OTO had a few members
that crossed
both orgs, but if anything between Fra. Corvus and Dr. Hyatt... they
managed to
piss off the OTO more than anything. And eventually led to Dr. Hyatt
leaving the
OTO.
The SF underground art scene was pretty much an offshoot of the
radical left LHP
| community. I attended OTO, Cherotic Magic, TOPY rituals and even a Tesla
seance at The New
| College, ATA Gallery, 451 10th St., Squigle Gallery, Club Generic, etc.
all of them leading
| underground art galleries and/or performance spaces in SF in the 80's.
As I have stated previously, the IOT had very little presence in SF, a
couple small temples
in the early 90's and than nothing for years afterwards. So the
happenstance of meeting up
with IOT members in SF would be a bit slim following '91 or so.
|
| SF, home of the beatniks, devotees of William S. Burroughs, whose rasping
narration of an
| unwatchable silent Dutch film from the 20's about the travails of midieval
witches is still
| basically considered a holy relic by the urban primitive cafe au lait &
Aquavit LHP spectrum, had
| and has more withches, warlocks, orcs, imps, banshees, nosferati, face
paint ghouls, and
| widdershin dervishes per capita than the Vatican has pederasts.
Holy relic I'd say not, but a hilarious film to watch.
Hell, my
request of a well known
| S&M house to let the ToS's Antewey Pylon do a ritual in their dungeon was
a total no problem just
| don't play with the sharper toys kind of thing.
|
That is where the ToS and the IOT differ... we got full reign of quite a
few dungeons... complete with license to use the sharp toys.
| Bonnie had access to the OIT literature and a reason to plagiarize, she
had to have a ritual ready
| for our next Smoking Mirror Pylon meeting. Craig and I had read every
book on Aztec lore and
| anthropology we could get our hands on including the rare Hernando Ruíz de
Alarcón's treatise on
| Aztec spells and incantations, with both the Nahuatl and Spanish versions
side by side so we could
| use Nahuatl phrases in the rituals. We could have written a dozen rituals
with one hand tied
| behind our back, we didn't need to raid some obscure fucking OIT rag.
And, yah, we did the ritual
| in '94 or early '95.
You keep stating this but cannot provide any proof. But it matters not
anyway,
since I wrote it years earlier and executed it with IOT, OTO, ToS, TOPY, GD
members.
Buttwipe can find out from his (spooky theramin
music) "Temple of Set
| sources" when the Las Vegas Conclave was. He won't like the date he'll
get. All our rituals were
| from that time period.
Actually I can, and do have an email stating when the conclave was
taking place
prior to its commencement. So much for security heh?
|
| The Smoking Mirror Pylon disintegrated as a local Pylon during that
Conclave and carried on
| subsequently as a correspondence Pylon, meaning we didn't meet and do
rituals so no rituals were
| written after that mid '94-'95 time period period. Buttface is making
this "dates from 2000" crap
| up based on the posting of all Smoking Mirror Pylon ritual and literature
to the ToS website at
| that time. The Smoking Mirror Pylon had only an online presence after
2000 and was briefly
| upgraded from a Pylon to an Element before it was hijakced by Nicholas
Schreck and abandoned after
| the great schism. After the Las Vegas Conclave, the Smoking Mirror Pylon
never had another
| meeting, so no other rituals were ever written.
|
So the truth comes out that the pylon went defunct and was merely a
former shadow
of itself... not very elite I'd say.
| Basically I've been getting hammered for defending a former ToS colleague,
| the freaking ritual,
Because you denied that plagiarism could have taken place... and lied to
cover up for the
fact that you forgot that the intro documentation of the ritual actually
stated that the
calls were borrowed from a previous rite. Backpedal some more walter.
against a triumverate of compulsive psychotic jackals
who have made
| alt.satanism the dildo mundi upon which their lives revolve.
Oh, so it is compulsively psychotic to call an org on their illegal
activities?
Not quite bozo... ya got caught with your hand in the cookie jar and tried
to lie to get out of it. I roasted ya nice and good... the very least you
deserve. I love to see idiots eat crow... I hope it tastes good walter.
I don't have
time to hock up big
| sticky louies day after day. Dug, Lime and that overpass mattress floozie
who is taking them on
| in both holes, can eat canned tuna and die. Their utterly flat, banal and
witless paroxysms
| define Satanic pique in a way that only a mother fucker could love.
So walters on an ad hominem run... it's the only thing he has left to
salve his
ego, which obviously has been torn to shreds in this debacle... fucking
fool...
you think I mess around with halfwits and am not going to get the upper
hand... you figured me wrong ya fuckwit walter. That the best your
magick can do? I fucked you ten ways to sunday on this one walter... and
where have you gotten me back... some lame ass name calling.
|
| ========
|
| Go ahead and post that, the last fucking thing I got to offer on the
matter.
Oh, some more grandstanding... will this be the last time????? I'm
almost ready
to offer bets on this one.
This shit is taking
| time I don't have.
walter admitting he is a fool and wasting his time by dealing with shit he
shouldn't have gotten involved with to begin with.
Thanks again for representing me on a.s, I know it's
been a bother for you too.
tani and walter, fellow buttmonkeys try to cover each others asses in a
shitstorm.
Those fuckers
| will never stop, will never learn, will never see reason.
Part of the problem walter is that you and tani fail on each of your points
above consistantly... never stop, will never learn, will never see
reason...
I was right in this plagiarism scandal... and you have done nothing but
try to paint it as I am not... well... you got fucking skewered for it...
and I'll laugh whenever it is brought up again... as your stupidity
sealed your own coffin.
They are spring
wound buzz toys
| watching their "alternative lifestyles" run out of time as the cultural
background of the '60's
| continues to be yanked out from under.
|
Cultural background of the '60s? We are over 4 decades later and I'm not
holding onto anything from the 60's... hell I was a child during those
years...
most of my cultural background comes out of the 80s and 90s... but
dumbass hogs like yourself walter like to fantasize that others are less
then them... and even like yourself attempt to lie to make them such...
but I held all the aces as you said... I played the game well, while you
played it like a putz.

Thank you for the entertainment. tani, you keep such good company in
such pricks as walter.

-Douglas
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Harry Lime
2004-11-19 04:22:30 UTC
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Post by Tani Jantsang
| Hi Tani,
|
| I gotta thank you for standing up for me through this and I'm sorry that
Dug turned out to have
| the aces.
LOL! After all of the *false* bravado, Walter, the Vespa Mechanic/Boat
Engine tinkerer and occasionally 'artiste', Alter finally sorta comes clean.
Finally walter got something right... I held all the aces and time proved
me
correct on all fronts... that basically walter was talking out his ass
attempting
to defend one of his ex ToS mates.
That's the funny thing about the Satanic Retard/Blowhards. Despite
overwhelming evidence to the contrary they will continue to deny legit
evidence even when it stares them in the face.

<snip>
Post by Tani Jantsang
| Bonnie had access to the OIT literature and a reason to plagiarize, she
had to have a ritual ready
| for our next Smoking Mirror Pylon meeting. Craig and I had read every
book on Aztec lore and
| anthropology we could get our hands on including the rare Hernando Ruíz
de Alarcón's treatise on
| Aztec spells and incantations, with both the Nahuatl and Spanish
versions side by side so we could
| use Nahuatl phrases in the rituals. We could have written a dozen
rituals with one hand tied
| behind our back, we didn't need to raid some obscure fucking OIT rag.
And, yah, we did the ritual
| in '94 or early '95.
You keep stating this but cannot provide any proof. But it matters not
anyway,
since I wrote it years earlier and executed it with IOT, OTO, ToS, TOPY, GD
members.
Not to mention Walt's sour grapes.

<snip>
Post by Tani Jantsang
| Basically I've been getting hammered for defending a former ToS
| the freaking ritual,
Because you denied that plagiarism could have taken place... and lied to
cover up for the
fact that you forgot that the intro documentation of the ritual actually
stated that the
calls were borrowed from a previous rite. Backpedal some more walter.
It eludes me why Trani continued to defend Walter and allow him to go on his
tirades against you, Doug. A more reasonable person would just quietly send
Walter an email asking him to drop the issue until some he presented with
some conclusive evidence defending his position. We are dealing with two
certifiable nutters so I guess all bets are off.
Post by Tani Jantsang
against a triumverate of compulsive psychotic jackals who have made
| alt.satanism the dildo mundi upon which their lives revolve.
Oh, so it is compulsively psychotic to call an org on their illegal
activities? Not quite bozo... ya got caught with your hand in the cookie
jar and tried
to lie to get out of it. I roasted ya nice and good... the very least you
deserve. I love to see idiots eat crow... I hope it tastes good walter.
I'd guess it's similar to the taste of Trani's bunghole -- something Walter
is familiar with.
Post by Tani Jantsang
I don't have time to hock up big
| sticky louies day after day. Dug, Lime and that overpass mattress
floozie who is taking them on
| in both holes, can eat canned tuna and die. Their utterly flat, banal
and witless paroxysms
| define Satanic pique in a way that only a mother fucker could love.
LOL! Gotta admit, my pseudonym doesn't appear on as many Geocities occult
websites as Walt's does. This is something I can live with though. I can
see why Walter has neatly stuck his tail between his legs and decided to
spend his golden years tuning Oregon's dinghy outboard engines and yammering
about his glory days in San Francisco when he made a pathetic attempt to be
an odd mix of Mark Pauline and Marshall McLuhan. Pfft...
So walters on an ad hominem run... it's the only thing he has left to
salve his
ego, which obviously has been torn to shreds in this debacle... fucking
fool...
you think I mess around with halfwits and am not going to get the upper
hand... you figured me wrong ya fuckwit walter. That the best your
magick can do? I fucked you ten ways to sunday on this one walter... and
where have you gotten me back... some lame ass name calling.
Calling Walter a halfwit is quite kind Doug considering what a complete
moron he made of himself in this newsgroup. Of course, he's in good company
with Trani.

As an aside, do you think her recent departure from alt.satanism is due to
the efforts of Joe Steve Swick?

<snip>
Post by Tani Jantsang
Those fuckers
| will never stop, will never learn, will never see reason.
Damn right.

When you align yourself with people that think it's okay to gas Jews, kill
Mexican border jumpers, claim Stalin was a cool (if misunderstood) guy,
plagiarize people's written words, turn harmless people into the FBI, and
suggest that you're an expert on Marxist political theory then prove
yourself an bragadoccio cretin you might get a few people to laugh at you
when you're pissed on. Imagine that.
Part of the problem walter is that you and tani fail on each of your points
above consistantly... never stop, will never learn, will never see
reason...
I was right in this plagiarism scandal... and you have done nothing but
try to paint it as I am not... well... you got fucking skewered for it...
and I'll laugh whenever it is brought up again... as your stupidity
sealed your own coffin.
Yeah Doug, Google is your friend. LOL!

Regards,

Harry Lime
http://harrylime.biz
Post by Tani Jantsang
|
-Douglas
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Tani Jantsang
2004-11-19 19:05:49 UTC
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Correction, Tani Jantsang delivered the mail.

I did not write this so get that part straight.
You can't take a hint, can you? He is admitting
he defended a TOS colleague that he believed, he is admitting that he didn't
even bother to notice that the thing said some of it was borrowed from
another rite. Yup, he flamed you cause you flamed him. SatanPOO.

You didn't DO anything to him. This stupid shit probably matters as much
to him as it does to me. My end - NOT AT ALL - I merely delivered the mail.
Keep in mind, I did not HAVE to do that.

You want to believe that Walter himself WROTE that ritual and TOOK your
stuff. Well, heh, no, he did not do that. Man, you really are weak, Doug.
I'll leave you to figure that one out. You'll be huffing and puffing about
this nonissue for another ten years. What a fucking weakling - and your
little Druggiedrones are showing themselves to be thoroughly up your butt
with brown noses. Next step, try hard to take pokes at his life.
SatanPOO.

So the ToS took your ritual and did it back in 1994 or so. And? Yawn.
That gives you "excuses" to go overboard and do your kOOk shit.

I took the ritual DOWN without seeing proof from either side in the fiasco.
That is a deed. That is what I did. Nothing else matters, but the deed.

Fuck off.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of sublime insouciance in the ToS
plagiarism debacle
|
| Hi Tani,
|
| I gotta thank you for standing up for me through this and I'm sorry that
Dug turned out to have
| the aces.
Finally walter got something right... I held all the aces and time proved
me
correct on all fronts... that basically walter was talking out his ass
attempting
to defend one of his ex ToS mates.
I forgot that the intro to the ritual said that the calls were borrowed,
Yes, you did forget and made up shit in the meantime, such as "I watched
her
write it."
I just posted
| the ritual on the ToS website as Bonnie gave them to me. Those were her
introductory comments
| there,
Prove it. You have yet to do so... why do I have better access to ToS
documents
than you do walter?
so she knew goddamned good and well she "borrowed" part of the ritual.
She had access to
| the IOT crap, she and her husband had tons of occult literature and had
been active in the OTO for
| many years. The OTO and the Chaos people are tight together, most of
them are musicians and
| artists.
A ridiculous generalization... the IOT and the OTO had a few members that
crossed
both orgs, but if anything between Fra. Corvus and Dr. Hyatt... they
managed to
piss off the OTO more than anything. And eventually led to Dr. Hyatt
leaving the
OTO.
The SF underground art scene was pretty much an offshoot of the radical
left LHP
| community. I attended OTO, Cherotic Magic, TOPY rituals and even a
Tesla seance at The New
| College, ATA Gallery, 451 10th St., Squigle Gallery, Club Generic, etc.
all of them leading
| underground art galleries and/or performance spaces in SF in the 80's.
As I have stated previously, the IOT had very little presence in SF, a
couple small temples
in the early 90's and than nothing for years afterwards. So the
happenstance of meeting up
with IOT members in SF would be a bit slim following '91 or so.
|
| SF, home of the beatniks, devotees of William S. Burroughs, whose
rasping narration of an
| unwatchable silent Dutch film from the 20's about the travails of
midieval witches is still
| basically considered a holy relic by the urban primitive cafe au lait &
Aquavit LHP spectrum, had
| and has more withches, warlocks, orcs, imps, banshees, nosferati, face
paint ghouls, and
| widdershin dervishes per capita than the Vatican has pederasts.
Holy relic I'd say not, but a hilarious film to watch.
Hell, my request of a well known
| S&M house to let the ToS's Antewey Pylon do a ritual in their dungeon
was a total no problem just
| don't play with the sharper toys kind of thing.
|
That is where the ToS and the IOT differ... we got full reign of quite a
few dungeons... complete with license to use the sharp toys.
| Bonnie had access to the OIT literature and a reason to plagiarize, she
had to have a ritual ready
| for our next Smoking Mirror Pylon meeting. Craig and I had read every
book on Aztec lore and
| anthropology we could get our hands on including the rare Hernando Ruíz
de Alarcón's treatise on
| Aztec spells and incantations, with both the Nahuatl and Spanish
versions side by side so we could
| use Nahuatl phrases in the rituals. We could have written a dozen
rituals with one hand tied
| behind our back, we didn't need to raid some obscure fucking OIT rag.
And, yah, we did the ritual
| in '94 or early '95.
You keep stating this but cannot provide any proof. But it matters not
anyway,
since I wrote it years earlier and executed it with IOT, OTO, ToS, TOPY, GD
members.
Buttwipe can find out from his (spooky theramin music) "Temple of Set
| sources" when the Las Vegas Conclave was. He won't like the date he'll
get. All our rituals were
| from that time period.
Actually I can, and do have an email stating when the conclave was taking
place
prior to its commencement. So much for security heh?
|
| The Smoking Mirror Pylon disintegrated as a local Pylon during that
Conclave and carried on
| subsequently as a correspondence Pylon, meaning we didn't meet and do
rituals so no rituals were
| written after that mid '94-'95 time period period. Buttface is making
this "dates from 2000" crap
| up based on the posting of all Smoking Mirror Pylon ritual and
literature to the ToS website at
| that time. The Smoking Mirror Pylon had only an online presence after
2000 and was briefly
| upgraded from a Pylon to an Element before it was hijakced by Nicholas
Schreck and abandoned after
| the great schism. After the Las Vegas Conclave, the Smoking Mirror
Pylon never had another
| meeting, so no other rituals were ever written.
|
So the truth comes out that the pylon went defunct and was merely a former
shadow
of itself... not very elite I'd say.
| Basically I've been getting hammered for defending a former ToS
| the freaking ritual,
Because you denied that plagiarism could have taken place... and lied to
cover up for the
fact that you forgot that the intro documentation of the ritual actually
stated that the
calls were borrowed from a previous rite. Backpedal some more walter.
against a triumverate of compulsive psychotic jackals who have made
| alt.satanism the dildo mundi upon which their lives revolve.
Oh, so it is compulsively psychotic to call an org on their illegal
activities? Not quite bozo... ya got caught with your hand in the cookie
jar and tried
to lie to get out of it. I roasted ya nice and good... the very least you
deserve. I love to see idiots eat crow... I hope it tastes good walter.
I don't have time to hock up big
| sticky louies day after day. Dug, Lime and that overpass mattress
floozie who is taking them on
| in both holes, can eat canned tuna and die. Their utterly flat, banal
and witless paroxysms
| define Satanic pique in a way that only a mother fucker could love.
So walters on an ad hominem run... it's the only thing he has left to
salve his
ego, which obviously has been torn to shreds in this debacle... fucking
fool...
you think I mess around with halfwits and am not going to get the upper
hand... you figured me wrong ya fuckwit walter. That the best your
magick can do? I fucked you ten ways to sunday on this one walter... and
where have you gotten me back... some lame ass name calling.
|
| ========
|
| Go ahead and post that, the last fucking thing I got to offer on the
matter.
Oh, some more grandstanding... will this be the last time????? I'm
almost ready
to offer bets on this one.
This shit is taking
| time I don't have.
walter admitting he is a fool and wasting his time by dealing with shit he
shouldn't have gotten involved with to begin with.
Thanks again for representing me on a.s, I know it's been a bother for
you too.
tani and walter, fellow buttmonkeys try to cover each others asses in a
shitstorm.
Those fuckers
| will never stop, will never learn, will never see reason.
Part of the problem walter is that you and tani fail on each of your points
above consistantly... never stop, will never learn, will never see
reason...
I was right in this plagiarism scandal... and you have done nothing but
try to paint it as I am not... well... you got fucking skewered for it...
and I'll laugh whenever it is brought up again... as your stupidity
sealed your own coffin.
They are spring wound buzz toys
| watching their "alternative lifestyles" run out of time as the cultural
background of the '60's
| continues to be yanked out from under.
|
Cultural background of the '60s? We are over 4 decades later and I'm not
holding onto anything from the 60's... hell I was a child during those
years...
most of my cultural background comes out of the 80s and 90s... but
dumbass hogs like yourself walter like to fantasize that others are less
then them... and even like yourself attempt to lie to make them such...
but I held all the aces as you said... I played the game well, while you
played it like a putz.
Thank you for the entertainment. tani, you keep such good company in
such pricks as walter.
-Douglas
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Lady Chatterly
2004-11-15 15:19:52 UTC
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Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
Intended to post it. Hit wrong button. There is nothing kook about that.
There is nothing kook about what I wrote. There is a lot kook about your
behavior. See in. Walter will have to keep track of this shit himself -
since I'm not online that much anymore either.
When you have stated that you are done with me, are going to ignore me,
etc.
and keep reading and responding to my posts... pure kook behavior tani.
Maybe you just wonder if they are done with you. Why do you care?
Post by Dagon Productions
You have
They are only pretending to be going to do. Why should it matter to
you?
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
Why the kookisar emailed this reply to me and walter I do not know... so
----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of bullshit in the ToS plagiarism
debacle
|
|
|
| >
| >
| >
| >>The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own
testimony
| >>indicates altho she
| >>worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave
of the
| >>hand, admitting that
| >>yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of
just
| >>standing around the
| >>Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living
room.
| >>
| >>
| >
| >You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
| >ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
| >
| >
|
| Something that doesn't add up is the ToS documentation of the rite
| admits that
| they used my material... and walter either doesn't remember, or has
| been lying
| the whole time. I lean toward the latter explanation.
You would think that due to what transpired. Walter probably in all
honesty forgot. That was the rite she handed in. Walter handed in his
own, so did the others.
This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.
One that might be able to confirm it would be Hunt, since he headed the
pylon.
Yes, he might
I am sure you are not going to bother him.
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
He wrote his own ritual, keep that in mind, Walter wrote his own
ritual, too, keep that in mind.
Lots of people in the ToS have written rituals... no big deal. The
interesting thing is
that this ritual has been published many times with no author attribution.
Have you considered other possibilites?
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
The question is then, WHO wrote the ritual
Walter says Bonnie wrote? Someone he better not mention online here?
Someone else?
Who knows, I'm still awaiting a ex or current ToS member to find
documentation
that has a authors name attached. As well as a date of origin. Thus
far the only
ToS documentation puts the origination in the year 2000, a full 6 years
past when
walter states the rite was originated. Interesting that walters story
doesn't jive with the
ToS ritual documentation and that walter can't put forth any evidence to
support his claims and accusations .
Why are you wondering if you are still awaiting a ex or current tos
member to find documentation that has a authors name attached?
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
Post by Dagon Productions
If one does not remember a particular incident clearly... they should not
make
statements as though their memory is fact.
True. Which is why I took it down before ANY evidence came forth one way or
the other. I did talk to Walter. He did NOT remember exactly, precisely,
at all. He does remember exactly what HE wrote - but not that precise on
what others did. He more or less remembered. You might find this hard to
believe, but if you left 100 bucks laying around and I knew it was yours and
knew you forgot about it, I'd not take it. Period. Not my style. I have
my reasons for that - and they don't necessarily have a thing to do with
ethics.
So it comes out now that walters memory is a bit difficient regarding
this incident...
interesting that he came on like his memory was solid and a fact...
which now you
provide a reason for his back pedaling and inability to support his take
on the
situation.
Aren't you being a bit tentative?
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|
| >>The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
| >>each write and
| >>perform a ritual.
| >>
|
| I guess tossers like walter need someone to lead them around by the
| nose, tell them what to do, since they don't have the impetus to do it
| of their own volition.
The Pylon has people in it interested in the same thing. Someone decides
"let's all write up rituals." Nothing more to it.
When I was involved in an occult org... I just did it... didn't need
anyone to say
"let's all write up rituals"... I had the drive to do the research and
work and didn't
need anyone else to prompt me, etc.
Good for you. When SR members inclined toward ceremonies and rituals wanted
some up there, one even writing an essay on the importance of ritual - I put
some up there and did put a call out to anyone else out there that had some
to contribute. And I wrote some. And some are jointly written by people.
But otherwise, very few responded or had a ritual of their own. But for
years, there were no rituals up there at all. Just becuase the founders
don't do rituals - doesn't mean that every other member doesn't. Some do.
When Walter came around and Hunt was online, the Teczat issue came up - with
some S. American Comrades being excited about seeing some of that stuff up
there. I asked them to write up some - but language was a big problem. I
got one thing from one of them, tho it sounds a bit political - it's ok.
Walter gave me three. One by him, one by Hunt and the other was UNSURE.
Brendan was doing the website, he put them up. I asked Walt to tell me who
did the unsure one. When he did give me the info, I put it in my file, on
the html - but Brendan never uploaded the revised one. Two people holding
files for a website is a bad idea, especially if one is very busy. Point
is, I have Brendan's CD of the whole site. On HIS file, there is no author
to the one with your stuff on it. In my computer, there is the information
on there about TOS Pylon.
So now we find out that at one time even walter was unsure of who
authored the
rite... but now he appears insistant that Bonnie did. Sounds sketchy, esp.
considering at one time walter was supposedly there when she wrote it.
Anger is as a stone cast into a wasp's nest.
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|
| >>Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
| >>with the plagiarized
| >>ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed
with the
| >>Flaying of Men. The
| >>Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed
again and
| >>shortly after Craig
| >>and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's
ritual
| >>and Bill had a nervous
| >>breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
| >>Bill's significant other,
| >>got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
| >>check on phone sex, so we
| >>never got to Elana's.
| >>
| >HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
| >impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
| >violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
| >good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
| >Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
| >
| Damn hilarious... and they call those not in the ToS "The World of
| Horrors"... seems
| they have their own set of horrors to deal with.
You mean, they are all too human after all, like everyone else is. They
aren't the only organization to prattle on about elitism, electism,
chosenness - who also end up being all too human after all. Better is the
organization that never claims a thing about elitism and sees that kind of
duping for what it is.
I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
True. And they don't want to be in the hotseat - isn't that obvious?
Tough titty for them now isn't it.
I would not say to anybody ele.
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You'd
have to contact Hunt and ask him 3 simple questions: 1. Who wrote this one
(the one Walt wrote). 2. Who wrote that one (the one Hunt wrote). and 3.
Who wrote this one (the one with your stuff). You'd have to just ask him
without a big preamble, without putting him on the defensive. Hmm, there
might be a super objective way to do that and get an honest, non-defensive
answer.
So why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from you.
Why do you ask if not they contact him?
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I do know that long before 2000 there was a whole Smoking Mirror thing in
the TOS because some people I knew mentioned it. Hunt was equating Tezcat
with Set in the early 90s. They saw the Aztec civilization as a LHP
civilization. I strongly disagreed with that whole line of thought and, at
the time, I had a big convo with an offline Setian about it in 1995 or so,
maybe earlier. It was later than 1992 because Andre Soly was deceased at
the time of the convo, recently deceased. He died in 1992. I remember
that. My contention is that such barbarically stupid practices are
quinessentially Christian in essense - in practice. My line is that people
pay far too much attention to what nice things Christians claim about
themselves and their beliefs - they ignore their actual real-life deeds -
which are pretty bad - as bad as those of the Aztecs. I stand by that right
now. Those people (Mexicans and such) to this day are especially bloody,
even when they reinact their Jesus crucifixion in their wacky ceremonies.
The entire ethos of suffering is, imo, Christian - maybe it stems from early
Hebrew - I'm not sure on that.
Aztec equals Xtrian in tanis book... more nutbar philosphical crap from
the kookisar.
Barbaric cruel practices are indicative of the human race, not just one
religion ya
quack.
Hats are more common now and flashy colors are less common. Dress is
much more functional and we "dress up" whenever we get a chance.
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Mexicans "wacky ceremonies"... such an understanding of their cultural
practices.
Actually I'd say the Mexican Day of the Dead festivities are a much more
practical and healthy way of dealing with death than the typical culture of
the USA.
Would you like to say more about your dreams?
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|
| Such a psychotic agenda???... that I am curious to find out who exactly
| plagiarized my
| rite
Bonnie did.
Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed up
anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst he
is a liar and
plagiarist.
At worse, he has proven that his memory isn't all that exact on the issue -
but he has not proven that he plagiarised a thing.
He has not proven he has not plagiarised any thing, much like he has not
proven that
Bonnie wrote the write and is the plagiariser.
He who could foresee affairs three days in advance would be rich for
thousands of years.
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He wrote the ritual he
wrote - and that's the only one he wrote.
The only ritual he ever wrote?
It is an equal failing to trust everybody, and to trust nobody.
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He did not write one with your
stuff in it.
Prove it.
Show us how much that loser paid Mr?
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His reaction to you was merely his reaction to YOU and what
you wrote. That you can't see that is astounding.
I can see that walter possibly didn't remember exactly what happened and
made shit up in the meantime.
A high-speed train system connects the larger cities. Roads are still
used for cars and many people ride horses and bikes.
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and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
| author
He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
I have no reason to not believe him about HIS not taking your stuff. I've
seen things he's written. He doesn't have to plagiarise anyone. Hunt would
probably remember more precisely since he headed the pylon.
All of a sudden walter has a shitty memory... but you believe him anyway.
Evil enters like a needle and spreads like an oak tree.
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and
| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one in.
Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent.
Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.
That might be very hard to do, unless Hunt comes forth and remembers more
precisely.
Hard to do because it isn't true most likely.
What makes you so certain about that?
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To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.
Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past? Show
us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.
I can't show you a thing one way or the other, and I can't exactly email
Hunt and ask him. All I could do, and did do, was remove it immediately
before any proof one way or the other came forth. It was no problem.
And why can't y
It all depends on what you are looking to achieve when you enter
either area.
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I would be angry too, if someone stole my stuff. I was also very angry,
when an episode of "Monsters" had my story portrayed, very slightly altered,
but obviously my story right down to the imagery, a story that I showed a
few people decades before, asked them to never publish - but which they DID
show around in some underground apa. It was a tale about a cancer entity.
There was nothing I could do about it. And that involved quite a lot of
$$$$$ money.
The funny thing is that I'm not angry... heh, yes, it's fucked up but
considering how many people are fuckups in the world, it's no
surprise.
Is that how long have you wondered if you were not angry?
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You could have actually sued, but we know you don't have the
funds to such since you never follow through on your threats to
do so.
But insinuations convince only rubes, and, as I am not the most
prolific foia requester and filed thousands of requests are also
absolutely false.

--
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"Kinda makes you wonder who's the real bot..." -- Mick
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Intended to post it. Hit wrong button. There is nothing kook about that.
There is nothing kook about what I wrote. There is a lot kook about your
behavior. See in. Walter will have to keep track of this shit himself -
since I'm not online that much anymore either.
When you have stated that you are done with me, are going to ignore me,
etc.
and keep reading and responding to my posts... pure kook behavior tani.
Maybe you just wonder if they are done with you. Why do you care?
I don't care... but watching someone make grand stand proclamations that
I will
be ignored or that they are done with me... when they never follow through
is just too hypocritical to ignore and laugh at.
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You have
They are only pretending to be going to do. Why should it matter to
you?
Oh, so they are "only pretending?" All the more reason to point out their
blowhard statements and lack of substance. In the long run it doesn't
mattter...
the only thing that matters is that I find some enjoyment/amusement, etc.
out of my posting to alt.satanism.
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Why the kookisar emailed this reply to me and walter I do not know... so
----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: walter radke/alter is full of bullshit in the ToS plagiarism
debacle
|
|
|
| >
| >
| >
| >>The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own
testimony
| >>indicates altho she
| >>worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave
of the
| >>hand, admitting that
| >>yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of
just
| >>standing around the
| >>Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living
room.
| >>
| >>
| >
| >You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
| >ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
| >
| >
|
| Something that doesn't add up is the ToS documentation of the rite
| admits that
| they used my material... and walter either doesn't remember, or has
| been lying
| the whole time. I lean toward the latter explanation.
You would think that due to what transpired. Walter probably in all
honesty forgot. That was the rite she handed in. Walter handed in his
own, so did the others.
This is walters story alone... and it hasn't been confirmed by any other
ToS members
here or those ToS members and ex-members that I am in correspondence with.
One that might be able to confirm it would be Hunt, since he headed the
pylon.
Yes, he might
I am sure you are not going to bother him.
I do not have any plans to.
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He wrote his own ritual, keep that in mind, Walter wrote his own
ritual, too, keep that in mind.
Lots of people in the ToS have written rituals... no big deal. The
interesting thing is
that this ritual has been published many times with no author attribution.
Have you considered other possibilites?
Please wow us with these other possibilities.
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The question is then, WHO wrote the ritual
Walter says Bonnie wrote? Someone he better not mention online here?
Someone else?
Who knows, I'm still awaiting a ex or current ToS member to find
documentation
that has a authors name attached. As well as a date of origin. Thus
far the only
ToS documentation puts the origination in the year 2000, a full 6 years
past when
walter states the rite was originated. Interesting that walters story
doesn't jive with the
ToS ritual documentation and that walter can't put forth any evidence to
support his claims and accusations .
Why are you wondering if you are still awaiting a ex or current tos
member to find documentation that has a authors name attached?
I continue to wonder until the situation is concrete as to who did what.
I'm still awaiting further evidence, of which walter has none but
apparently
current and ex-ToS members do have material that is still creeping in.
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If one does not remember a particular incident clearly... they should not
make
statements as though their memory is fact.
True. Which is why I took it down before ANY evidence came forth one way or
the other. I did talk to Walter. He did NOT remember exactly, precisely,
at all. He does remember exactly what HE wrote - but not that precise on
what others did. He more or less remembered. You might find this hard to
believe, but if you left 100 bucks laying around and I knew it was yours and
knew you forgot about it, I'd not take it. Period. Not my style. I have
my reasons for that - and they don't necessarily have a thing to do with
ethics.
So it comes out now that walters memory is a bit difficient regarding
this incident...
interesting that he came on like his memory was solid and a fact...
which now you
provide a reason for his back pedaling and inability to support his take
on the
situation.
Aren't you being a bit tentative?
Evidence is still trickling in... as I receive it I make posts with such
information. I will not conclude that something resolved until
enough info has been gathered to make a rational and logical
decision.
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|
| >>The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
| >>each write and
| >>perform a ritual.
| >>
|
| I guess tossers like walter need someone to lead them around by the
| nose, tell them what to do, since they don't have the impetus to do it
| of their own volition.
The Pylon has people in it interested in the same thing. Someone decides
"let's all write up rituals." Nothing more to it.
When I was involved in an occult org... I just did it... didn't need
anyone to say
"let's all write up rituals"... I had the drive to do the research and
work and didn't
need anyone else to prompt me, etc.
Good for you. When SR members inclined toward ceremonies and rituals wanted
some up there, one even writing an essay on the importance of ritual - I put
some up there and did put a call out to anyone else out there that had some
to contribute. And I wrote some. And some are jointly written by people.
But otherwise, very few responded or had a ritual of their own. But for
years, there were no rituals up there at all. Just becuase the founders
don't do rituals - doesn't mean that every other member doesn't. Some do.
When Walter came around and Hunt was online, the Teczat issue came up - with
some S. American Comrades being excited about seeing some of that stuff up
there. I asked them to write up some - but language was a big problem. I
got one thing from one of them, tho it sounds a bit political - it's ok.
Walter gave me three. One by him, one by Hunt and the other was UNSURE.
Brendan was doing the website, he put them up. I asked Walt to tell me who
did the unsure one. When he did give me the info, I put it in my file, on
the html - but Brendan never uploaded the revised one. Two people holding
files for a website is a bad idea, especially if one is very busy. Point
is, I have Brendan's CD of the whole site. On HIS file, there is no author
to the one with your stuff on it. In my computer, there is the information
on there about TOS Pylon.
So now we find out that at one time even walter was unsure of who
authored the
rite... but now he appears insistant that Bonnie did. Sounds sketchy, esp.
considering at one time walter was supposedly there when she wrote it.
Anger is as a stone cast into a wasp's nest.
I agree... which makes it all the more hilarious to watch walter and tani
get their feathers so ruffled in this debacle.
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|
| >>Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
| >>with the plagiarized
| >>ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed
with the
| >>Flaying of Men. The
| >>Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed
again and
| >>shortly after Craig
| >>and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's
ritual
| >>and Bill had a nervous
| >>breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
| >>Bill's significant other,
| >>got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
| >>check on phone sex, so we
| >>never got to Elana's.
| >>
| >HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
| >impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
| >violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
| >good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
| >Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
| >
| Damn hilarious... and they call those not in the ToS "The World of
| Horrors"... seems
| they have their own set of horrors to deal with.
You mean, they are all too human after all, like everyone else is. They
aren't the only organization to prattle on about elitism, electism,
chosenness - who also end up being all too human after all. Better is the
organization that never claims a thing about elitism and sees that kind of
duping for what it is.
I agree... but at the moment, the ToS is in the hotseat.
True. And they don't want to be in the hotseat - isn't that obvious?
Tough titty for them now isn't it.
I would not say to anybody ele.
Well, that your deal... ToS members overall have been rather friendly
with me...
Aquino was the more closeminded prick amongst the bunch.
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You'd
have to contact Hunt and ask him 3 simple questions: 1. Who wrote this one
(the one Walt wrote). 2. Who wrote that one (the one Hunt wrote). and 3.
Who wrote this one (the one with your stuff). You'd have to just ask him
without a big preamble, without putting him on the defensive. Hmm, there
might be a super objective way to do that and get an honest, non-defensive
answer.
So why don't you contact him... I'm sure he would love to hear from you.
Why do you ask if not they contact him?
Because tani and Craig have some alt.silly flamewars betwixt them under
their bellts.
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I do know that long before 2000 there was a whole Smoking Mirror thing in
the TOS because some people I knew mentioned it. Hunt was equating Tezcat
with Set in the early 90s. They saw the Aztec civilization as a LHP
civilization. I strongly disagreed with that whole line of thought and, at
the time, I had a big convo with an offline Setian about it in 1995 or so,
maybe earlier. It was later than 1992 because Andre Soly was deceased at
the time of the convo, recently deceased. He died in 1992. I remember
that. My contention is that such barbarically stupid practices are
quinessentially Christian in essense - in practice. My line is that people
pay far too much attention to what nice things Christians claim about
themselves and their beliefs - they ignore their actual real-life deeds -
which are pretty bad - as bad as those of the Aztecs. I stand by that right
now. Those people (Mexicans and such) to this day are especially bloody,
even when they reinact their Jesus crucifixion in their wacky ceremonies.
The entire ethos of suffering is, imo, Christian - maybe it stems from early
Hebrew - I'm not sure on that.
Aztec equals Xtrian in tanis book... more nutbar philosphical crap from
the kookisar.
Barbaric cruel practices are indicative of the human race, not just one
religion ya
quack.
Hats are more common now and flashy colors are less common. Dress is
much more functional and we "dress up" whenever we get a chance.
Is that how it is in the mideast?
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Mexicans "wacky ceremonies"... such an understanding of their cultural
practices.
Actually I'd say the Mexican Day of the Dead festivities are a much more
practical and healthy way of dealing with death than the typical culture of
the USA.
Would you like to say more about your dreams?
My "dreams" as far as life, or my dreams I have every night or more
specifically my lucid dreams or is it the more voyeuristic dreams?
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|
| Such a psychotic agenda???... that I am curious to find out who exactly
| plagiarized my
| rite
Bonnie did.
Only by walters accusation, no proof whatsoever. walter has not backed up
anything
and has proven to at the very least have a poor memory or at the worst he
is a liar and
plagiarist.
At worse, he has proven that his memory isn't all that exact on the issue -
but he has not proven that he plagiarised a thing.
He has not proven he has not plagiarised any thing, much like he has not
proven that
Bonnie wrote the write and is the plagiariser.
He who could foresee affairs three days in advance would be rich for
thousands of years.
Unfortunately walter couldn't predict what a fool he would look like after
piping up in this matter. Fortunately for myself... I could.
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He wrote the ritual he
wrote - and that's the only one he wrote.
The only ritual he ever wrote?
It is an equal failing to trust everybody, and to trust nobody.
Doesn't have to have anything to do with trust... either put up or
shut up. I'd be surprised if it was the only ritual he ever wrote.
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He did not write one with your
stuff in it.
Prove it.
Show us how much that loser paid Mr?
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His reaction to you was merely his reaction to YOU and what
you wrote. That you can't see that is astounding.
I can see that walter possibly didn't remember exactly what happened and
made shit up in the meantime.
A high-speed train system connects the larger cities. Roads are still
used for cars and many people ride horses and bikes.
Maybe in Japan, but I'm not aware of any highspeed train systems
connecting the
larger cities in the USA.
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and why walter has come forward as the defender of the supposed
| author
He thought she wrote it.
Yes, that is what he thinks... but he has not provided any evidence to
back his
accusation up... the onus is on him to back up his assertion with
supporting
evidence... he has failed on all counts to do this... and you just blindly
believe walter.
I have no reason to not believe him about HIS not taking your stuff. I've
seen things he's written. He doesn't have to plagiarise anyone. Hunt would
probably remember more precisely since he headed the pylon.
All of a sudden walter has a shitty memory... but you believe him anyway.
Evil enters like a needle and spreads like an oak tree.
What is "Evil?"
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and
| now he is now the accuser... all with no evidence whatsoever.
What the site says (after all, seems she did steal it). Why not accuse,
when she denies she wrote it? She's the person who handed that one in.
Now she wants to deny it.
walter is accusing Bonnie of committing plagiarism... the onus is on him to
prove she is guilty... she doesn't have to prove she is innocent.
Innocent
until proven guilty and all that.
That might be very hard to do, unless Hunt comes forth and remembers more
precisely.
Hard to do because it isn't true most likely.
What makes you so certain about that?
The players involved and past behaviors. Just putting Occam's Razor
into effect.
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To you it seems she stole it... to me, it's all too fishy for it to be this
easy... and walters behavior sure seems to point to his being
involved in some manner.
Prove Bonnie is the one that handed it in. Show us where Bonnie
has ever claimed to have written the plagiarized ritual in the past? Show
us
any ritual Bonnie has written so that we can compare style, etc.
So it isn't necessarily "now she wants to deny it," the only
thing I have read of hers is her stating she didn't write it, no
flip flopping visable in Bonnie's behavior thus far... though
we have seen walter flip flop and backpedal.
I can't show you a thing one way or the other, and I can't exactly email
Hunt and ask him. All I could do, and did do, was remove it immediately
before any proof one way or the other came forth. It was no problem.
And why can't y
It all depends on what you are looking to achieve when you enter
either area.
tani won't contact him because he probably would tell her to fuck off...
I won't
because I'm sure he doesn't want to be bothered... besides I don't think I
will get much more a definitive answer even if I did. As it is, I'm
dealing
with a bunch of half-wits, who didn't think I would ever discover that they
plagiarized my rite and then the second wave of half-wits who at first
denied it and then backpedaled and lied to cover their asses
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Dagon Productions
Post by Tani Jantsang
I would be angry too, if someone stole my stuff. I was also very angry,
when an episode of "Monsters" had my story portrayed, very slightly altered,
but obviously my story right down to the imagery, a story that I showed a
few people decades before, asked them to never publish - but which they DID
show around in some underground apa. It was a tale about a cancer entity.
There was nothing I could do about it. And that involved quite a lot of
$$$$$ money.
The funny thing is that I'm not angry... heh, yes, it's fucked up but
considering how many people are fuckups in the world, it's no
surprise.
Is that how long have you wondered if you were not angry?
I've not ever wondered if I was "angry"... hell the moment I stumbled
across the
plagiarism... I laughed my ass off.
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Dagon Productions
You could have actually sued, but we know you don't have the
funds to such since you never follow through on your threats to
do so.
But insinuations convince only rubes, and, as I am not the most
prolific foia requester and filed thousands of requests are also
absolutely false.
--
Lady Chatterly
It's not insuation that tani has not followed through on her threats...
it's
simple fact.

-Douglas
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Lady Chatterly
2004-11-15 15:13:59 UTC
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Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of the
hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.
You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
Post by Mailman
Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt. Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too? Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one. Let's see
if we can sort this out.
Why do you ask if not he accuse you of writing that one too?
Post by Kori Houghton
TMI, TM
Why are you guessing the rest of the story is idgaf?
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
each write and
perform a ritual.
Wow! Hey, that's some religion -- giving people "assignment[s]" to
compose and perform ritual. Ya know, that's really, like, plastic.
Your ai engine is fucked.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with the
Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again and
shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's.
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
That sounds profound.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Why is this so hard to grasp?
Oh, it's not "hard to grasp" at all.
Oh really?
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
It's all elementary
Left Hand Path business
as usual shit.
Fershur.
Do you have any examples?
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Dug apparently finds it hard to cope with living among
satanists and keeping their
little ups and downs in perspective,
What happened to the propaganda from the TOSsers that "the elect"
ain't "satanists" no more?
You are kidding, right?
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
you know Dug, the madhouse
kalleidoscope perspective.
You know, Falter, the overgrown kiddies looking for someone to tell
them how to think, give them asignments, and choose their friends for
them.
Why do you bring up the subject of friends?
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a little
compulsive psychotic
stew.
Pffftttt! And you're here drooling as you wait to suck up every drop,
right?
Sometimes it seems as if they are here drooling as they wait to suck
up every drop. Perception is relative, you know.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager. Dug
can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.
Well, Doug was spot on with the title of this thread.
Genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can
be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid
seeds.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Please post.
Walter
Feel better now, Falter? We'll tell your handlers that you done good.
I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be
"catching on" in Europe.
Post by Kori Houghton
Kori
Deal with the faults of others as gently as with your own.

--
Lady Chatterly

"Lady Chattlerly must be posting from the mensa group. That post went
way over my head too." -- la n.
Dagon Productions
2004-11-15 23:13:08 UTC
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Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The rite was performed in 1994, as Bonnie Henderson-Winnie's own testimony
indicates altho she
worms out of confessing to authorship of the ritual with a vague wave of the
hand, admitting that
yah, she was there or something, had something to do with it, sort of just
standing around the
Smoking Mirror Pylon when the ritual somehow appeared in her living room.
You claimed earlier that you were in her presence when she wrote the
ritual. So, you saw her copying from the IOT?
Post by Mailman
Funny how Dug goes light on the Ixiptli ritual written by Craig Hunt. Now
why doesn't he accuse
me of writing that one too? Or the Flaying of Men ritual. Wait, I did
write that one. Let's see
if we can sort this out.
Why do you ask if not he accuse you of writing that one too?
Because walter is trying to take the light off the actual issue.
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
TMI, TM
Why are you guessing the rest of the story is idgaf?
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The Smoking Mirror Pylon had an assignment that we
each write and
perform a ritual.
Wow! Hey, that's some religion -- giving people "assignment[s]" to
compose and perform ritual. Ya know, that's really, like, plastic.
Your ai engine is fucked.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Craig was first with the Ixiptli ritual, Bonnie was next
with the plagiarized
ritual (hey, know what, she really did rip off Dug) and I followed with the
Flaying of Men. The
Las Vegas conclave followed where the Ixiptli ritual was performed again and
shortly after Craig
and Guin's relation ship exploded messily so we never got to Guin's ritual
and Bill had a nervous
breakdown which is why we never got around to Bill's ritual and Elana,
Bill's significant other,
got and eviction notice second hand from her mom cuz Bill blew the rent
check on phone sex, so we
never got to Elana's.
HaaaaaHaaaaa!!!! Ah, the exalted lives of "the elect"! Are we
impressed? (shakes head no, emphatically no) Woohoo. Domestic
violence, mental illness, drug addiction, obsession with paying for
good phone, renting from the Rents. Damn! And you're raggin' on
Douglas? It is to LOLOL!
That sounds profound.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Why is this so hard to grasp?
Oh, it's not "hard to grasp" at all.
Oh really?
Yes, really... are you having some difficulty in grasping it?
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
It's all elementary
Left Hand Path business
as usual shit.
Fershur.
Do you have any examples?
The ToS, the GD, the CoS, the IOT, etc.
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Dug apparently finds it hard to cope with living among
satanists and keeping their
little ups and downs in perspective,
What happened to the propaganda from the TOSsers that "the elect"
ain't "satanists" no more?
You are kidding, right?
Have you read any Setian literature?
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
you know Dug, the madhouse
kalleidoscope perspective.
You know, Falter, the overgrown kiddies looking for someone to tell
them how to think, give them asignments, and choose their friends for
them.
Why do you bring up the subject of friends?
Because the Temple of Set do not allow "freedom of association" within
their
membership.
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Well,
Dug has an agenda and we all have to sit still while he bubbles up a little
compulsive psychotic
stew.
Pffftttt! And you're here drooling as you wait to suck up every drop,
right?
Sometimes it seems as if they are here drooling as they wait to suck
up every drop. Perception is relative, you know.
And the difference is????
Post by Lady Chatterly
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
The ritual was later added to the ToS website when I was it's manager. Dug
can kiss my stinky
brown pucker and whack off for all 9 alt.satanism barstool habitues. This
is obviously a big deal
for Dug, so I'll be sure to eat a big bean burrito before he gets amorous.
Well, Doug was spot on with the title of this thread.
Genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can
be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid
seeds.
Post by Kori Houghton
Post by Mailman
Please post.
Walter
Feel better now, Falter? We'll tell your handlers that you done good.
I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be
"catching on" in Europe.
Post by Kori Houghton
Kori
Deal with the faults of others as gently as with your own.
Well, considering I deal with my faults very vigorously, I'll shall do
so with others as well.

-Douglas
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