It's not only a ridiculous requirement; it isn't going to happen. I
realize Microsoft would like their enterprise customers to not wait until
the end of a 10-year life cycle to upgrade, but shortening the life cycle
artificially isn't going to help them in that quest. For most companies,
early adoption went out with the 90's. It's just my opinion, but Microsoft
would have much better luck if they stopped trying to radically change the
look and feel of their operating systems between each version, at least
for the business customer. Every time Microsoft rearranges the chairs, the
decision-makers think they are going to be sitting at a different table.
Within IT, we all know it's really the same table with rearranged chairs,
but Microsoft does their level best to convince everyone that the latest
and greatest is a whole new world. The decision-makers usually don't want
a new world, they want 'safe'.
Brian McMahon
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Add in the fact that it can take 2 â 3 hours (with no guarantee of
success) and you have a major impediment to any business, small or large.
Upgrading the OS every two years is a ridiculous requirement.
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Hank Arnold
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From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if
you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service
pack, it's a full rollout.
This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very
disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd
On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au>
wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All
Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldnât be running it anyway)
machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, theyâre trying to
prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.
I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isnât free, the latest
free version will be supported for longer than two years.
Freddy Grande
From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
This is what Iâve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to
maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8
going out of support in just TWO years thatâs yet another nail in the
coffin for it.
I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are
thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rolloutsâŠ
Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
I think what Danielâs point may be is that since the new mentality of
Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product
UPGRADES⊠at some point this process MUST involve the existing
infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesnât matter what
the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT
installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the
past 15 years.
The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1
update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may
be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations
are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing
infrastruture. Shucks, weâve already seen this historically with Windows..
both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the
release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will
grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista
and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of
2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL
Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005,
2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on
SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few
years ago! And still, for most organizations, thereâs no compelling reason
to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making
it an onerous task to âupgradeâ a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the
rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it
significantly.
We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which
ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been
avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a
company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that
infrastructure. Now weâre seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap
also.
Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the
existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they
continue this crap that weâre enduring right now, and organizations will
go back to the old NT4 mentality of âNever deploy a release until the
first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes outâ.
And the existing infrastructure is dead.
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
There is no eventually here.
To be clear to all
VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx
The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoftâs essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1,
including:
Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 â The newest version of this
popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of
Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows
Server 2012.
Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 â Available in
11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to
customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across
an organizationâand measure the operational characteristics (performance,
reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager â The latest version of
Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2
deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial is
available
Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:
Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing
Service Center (VLSC). Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be
updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained
from the VLSC. Use this media to either:
Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key
for simple installation.
Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.
Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:
If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product
site to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble
downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why
canât I find the update in the store.
If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for âUpgrading from Windows 8
Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise
This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:
I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate
functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary
ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface.
Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an
8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.
Daniel Wolf
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have
anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows
8.1 can't be completed.
I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to
make people annoyed.
Daniel Wolf
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.
Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
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