Climate science deniers' credibility tested

[gordo]

Climate science deniers' credibility tested
"March 01, 2018 Opinion » Science Matters
Climate science deniers' credibility tested
By David Suzuki @DavidSuzukiFDN
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We base our arguments about environmental issues on sound research and
evidence. Sometimes people challenge us — which is often positive, as
informed debate leads to greater knowledge. But many challenges come
from people with suspect motives."More
https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/climate-science-deniers-credibility-tested/Content?oid=7198236

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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.

Dhu

[gordo]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.
I knew his doctoral adviser, whose opinion was similar.

Dhu

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[Dave Smith]

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.
I knew his doctoral adviser, whose opinion was similar.

You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

[gordo]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.
I knew his doctoral adviser, whose opinion was similar.

You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.
I knew his doctoral adviser, whose opinion was similar.

You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

Tell us HOW MANY CHILDREN HE HAS. Another fuckin' "me firster".

Dhu

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On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:46:24 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.
I knew his doctoral adviser, whose opinion was similar.

You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

Tell us HOW MANY CHILDREN HE HAS. Another fuckin' "me firster".
Dhu

He has 5 children one of which spoke at a UN meeting in front of the
world.No more stupid questions and clean up your foul language.

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Post by gordo
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

Yeah.... the guy who writes articles about how we have to reduce our
carbon footprint but who then flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell us how the rest of us have to not do that.

[gordo]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:55:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by gordo
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

Yeah.... the guy who writes articles about how we have to reduce our
carbon footprint but who then flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell us how the rest of us have to not do that.

So that is all you have to prevent you from talking about the article.

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On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:55:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by gordo
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

Yeah.... the guy who writes articles about how we have to reduce our
carbon footprint but who then flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell us how the rest of us have to not do that.

So that is all you have to prevent you from talking about the article.

The article really doesn't say much about the case for climate change,
only that he thinks there is sound science behind it. It is mostly a
pissing contest about credibility. He refers to some of the claims about
him, claims I have never heard , and then lashes out with questions
about the credibility of non scientists deniers like Ezra Levant. He
does not deal with issues raised by scientists.

FWIW, I live in the Niagara Peninsula, which was covered in ice
15000-20000 years ago. The glaciers have been receding for thousands of
years. The mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone
would explain why they are receding faster now.

[gordo]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:24:33 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by gordo
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:55:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by gordo
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.

Yeah.... the guy who writes articles about how we have to reduce our
carbon footprint but who then flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell us how the rest of us have to not do that.

So that is all you have to prevent you from talking about the article.

The article really doesn't say much about the case for climate change,
only that he thinks there is sound science behind it. It is mostly a
pissing contest about credibility. He refers to some of the claims about
him, claims I have never heard , and then lashes out with questions
about the credibility of non scientists deniers like Ezra Levant. He
does not deal with issues raised by scientists.
FWIW, I live in the Niagara Peninsula, which was covered in ice
15000-20000 years ago. The glaciers have been receding for thousands of
years. The mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone
would explain why they are receding faster now.

No it wouldn't.

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Post by gordo
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:24:33 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
FWIW, I live in the Niagara Peninsula, which was covered in ice
15000-20000 years ago. The glaciers have been receding for thousands of
years. The mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone
would explain why they are receding faster now.

No it wouldn't.

I didn't really expect that you would understand the mathematics. There
are some concepts that children have trouble understanding. Since you
are likely at the stage where you assume that a tall skinny glass holds
more than a short wide one I would not expect you to understand how
things would work with an ice cap melting at a constant rate for 15,000
years.

[Alan Baker]

Post by gordo
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:24:33 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
FWIW, I live in the Niagara Peninsula, which was covered in ice
15000-20000 years ago. The glaciers have been receding for thousands of
years. The mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone
would explain why they are receding faster now.

No it wouldn't.

I didn't really expect that you would understand the mathematics.  There
are some concepts that children have trouble understanding. Since you
are likely at the stage where you assume that a tall skinny glass holds
more than a short wide one I would not expect you to understand how
things would work with an ice cap melting at a constant rate for 15,000
years.

Produce the mathematics. Please.

[Dave Smith]

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Post by Dave Smith
I didn't really expect that you would understand the mathematics.
There are some concepts that children have trouble understanding.
Since you are likely at the stage where you assume that a tall skinny
glass holds more than a short wide one I would not expect you to
understand how things would work with an ice cap melting at a constant
rate for 15,000 years.

Produce the mathematics. Please.

I make no claim to being good at math, but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a constant
rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

BTW.... we experienced a mini ice age during the 17th century.
Temperatures had been rising fairly steadily for hundreds of years, but
then we went through an extended period of colder temperatures.
Scientists are not sure what caused it, but the likely causes are solar
conditions, volcanoes or shifts in the oceans' currents.

[Alan Baker]

Post by Alan Baker

Post by Dave Smith
I didn't really expect that you would understand the mathematics.
There are some concepts that children have trouble understanding.
Since you are likely at the stage where you assume that a tall skinny
glass holds more than a short wide one I would not expect you to
understand how things would work with an ice cap melting at a
constant rate for 15,000 years.

Produce the mathematics. Please.

I make no claim to being good at math,  but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a constant
rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

Then you shouldn't have said this:

"The glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. The mathematics
of the circle and thickness of the ice alone would explain why they are
receding faster now. "

[Dave Smith]

Post by Alan Baker

I make no claim to being good at math,  but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a
constant rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

"The glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. The mathematics
of the circle and thickness of the ice alone would explain why they are
receding faster now. "

Why not? The polar ice cap is more or less circular. As is melts from
the outside in the circumference decreases. Think of trigonometry and
rates of change.

[Alan Baker]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Alan Baker

I make no claim to being good at math,  but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a
constant rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

"The glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. The
mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone would explain
why they are receding faster now. "

Why not? The polar ice cap is more or less circular. As is melts from
the outside in the circumference decreases.  Think of trigonometry and
rates of change.

No. YOU presented an argument that "the mathematics" explain the
situation. That implicitly states that you understand the mathematics.

[Dave Smith]

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Post by Dave Smith

Post by Alan Baker

I make no claim to being good at math,  but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a
constant rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

"The glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. The
mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone would
explain why they are receding faster now. "

Why not? The polar ice cap is more or less circular. As is melts from
the outside in the circumference decreases.  Think of trigonometry and
rates of change.

No. YOU presented an argument that "the mathematics" explain the
situation. That implicitly states that you understand the mathematics.

I understand enough to know that if there is a constant rate of melting
from the outside in, that the diameter will decrease at an accelerated
rate. I am not prepared to offer the formula.

[Alan Baker]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Alan Baker

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Alan Baker

I make no claim to being good at math,  but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a
constant rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

"The glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. The
mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone would
explain why they are receding faster now. "

Why not? The polar ice cap is more or less circular. As is melts from
the outside in the circumference decreases.  Think of trigonometry
and rates of change.

No. YOU presented an argument that "the mathematics" explain the
situation. That implicitly states that you understand the mathematics.

I understand enough to know that if there is a constant rate of melting
from the outside in, that the diameter will decrease at an accelerated
rate. I am not prepared to offer the formula.

Sorry, but if you understand enough to claim it...

...you have to be able to EXPLAIN it.

If you can't then you don't... ..understand enough.

[Dhu on Gate]

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Post by Dave Smith

Post by Alan Baker

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Alan Baker

I make no claim to being good at math,  but I have some basic
understanding. If you have a chunk of ice that is melting at a
constant rate, the smaller it gets, the faster it gets smaller.

"The glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. The
mathematics of the circle and thickness of the ice alone would
explain why they are receding faster now. "

Why not? The polar ice cap is more or less circular. As is melts from
the outside in the circumference decreases.  Think of trigonometry
and rates of change.

No. YOU presented an argument that "the mathematics" explain the
situation. That implicitly states that you understand the mathematics.

I understand enough to know that if there is a constant rate of melting
from the outside in, that the diameter will decrease at an accelerated
rate. I am not prepared to offer the formula.

Sorry, but if you understand enough to claim it...
...you have to be able to EXPLAIN it.
If you can't then you don't... ..understand enough.

Just a moment. Math is inapplicable since neither of your arguments
gives credence to the _science_ required for the determinants you would
make. The polar cap does_not melt evenly from the outside in, nor freeze
from the in out. These processess are governed by much more complex
systems including polar ocean currents, Coriolis offsets and weather.
Next science factoid: Glaciers and the Polar cap are phenomenon that are
related mostly by their formation in cold weather and inclusion of a
solid form of Oxygen Dihydride and not much else.

Dhu

[Dave Smith]

Post by gordo
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:30:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
Science Matters Climate science deniers' credibility tested By David
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.
I knew his doctoral adviser, whose opinion was similar.

You are talking about a guy who flies back and forth across the country
and around the world to tell the rest of us that we should be reducing
our carbon footprint. Gordo considers Suzuki to be an expert on climate
change because he is a scientist, even though his expertise was in the
genetics of fruit flies.

No YOU are talking about the author of an article instead of the
article. It is how you avoid the truth of the article.
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[gordo]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 22:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
Science Matters Climate science deniers' credibility tested By David
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.

You want to silence scientists just like Harper and Trump.

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Dhu

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 22:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
Science Matters Climate science deniers' credibility tested By David
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.

You want to silence scientists just like Harper and Trump.

Suzuki hasn't indulged in "science" for forty years:
he's a preaching his own hypocrisy as a "Superior" being.

Dhu

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Dhu

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On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:44:58 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 22:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:07:54 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate

Post by Dhu on Gate

Climate science deniers' credibility tested "March 01, 2018 Opinion »
Science Matters Climate science deniers' credibility tested By David
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How many kids does that SOB have?
I think he needs to STFU about the "environment", and a lot else.
Dhu

So you want to silence scientists,sounds like a Harper fan.

Nope. I just got no use for colossal hypocrites Dave Snuzuski.

You want to silence scientists just like Harper and Trump.

he's a preaching his own hypocrisy as a "Superior" being.

You have no credibility and your silly diversion was a waste of your
time and mine.

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[Liberals are VERMIN!]

Climate "science?" Is that the new name? Did "climate change" fall out of favour with the "People's Directorate for Propaganda?" That's the largest change since they stopped using the term, "GLOBAL WARMING." They also instructed the leftist toadies in the media to stop using it as well.

[gordo]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 23:55:23 -0800 (PST), "Liberals are VERMIN!"

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Climate "science?" Is that the new name? Did "climate change" fall out of favour with the "People's Directorate for Propaganda?" That's the largest change since they stopped using the term, "GLOBAL WARMING." They also instructed the leftist toadies in the media to stop using it as well.

I have no idea who they is but AGW is real ,happening now and those
who deny it have no credibility.

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