Does Rochelle Exist, don't vote in this main thread

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Vicky Ayech

2021-06-22 07:49:46 UTC

Post by DavidK
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It is suspicious

Clive Arthur

2021-06-22 08:05:03 UTC

Post by DavidK
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She's the salt of the earth, a simple pickup, a little tartrate even.
But she has a dire rear.

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Cheers
Clive

Min

2021-06-25 02:01:52 UTC

Post by DavidK
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I'm hoping for Something Dramatic.

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DavidK

2021-06-22 07:36:48 UTC

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Jim Easterbrook

2021-06-22 10:47:39 UTC

Post by DavidK
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Tragically killed in a freak baton twirling accident. Joy still can't
accept her death.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Jim Easterbrook

2021-06-22 15:47:46 UTC

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Tragically killed in a freak baton twirling accident. Joy still can't
accept her death.

I suppose, having moved house, there isn't Rochelle's room, left exactly
as it was the day she died.

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Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Penny

2021-06-22 15:05:46 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:36:48 +0100, DavidK <***@invalid.invalid>
scrawled in the dust...

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I'm with Jim on this one.

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DavidK

2021-06-22 07:36:53 UTC

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krw

2021-06-22 09:28:42 UTC

Post by DavidK
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yes. She sound like d#1. I believe I have previously mentioned that we
no longer have contact with her. Her choice.

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https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Vicky Ayech

2021-06-22 10:36:56 UTC

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yes. She sound like d#1. I believe I have previously mentioned that we
no longer have contact with her. Her choice.

My contact with older daughter is limited too but more than Joy's.

carolet

2021-06-22 09:50:22 UTC

Post by DavidK
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I have never doubted it until now.

Why would she make her up? I was going to say that we hear Joy's
disappointment when a long-promised visit doesn't materialise, but maybe
I'm just imagining it. On the other hand, I don't understand why she
would move so far from a daughter who seems to be the centre of her
world, for no good reason that we know about, particularly if that
daughter is one who is unlikely to make the effort to visit even once in
the 21 months that we have been aware of Joy.

Of course, events mean that many of us haven't seen our daughters for
well over a year, but I get the impression that Rochelle would not have
have visted Ambridge even without covid, or welcomed a visit from Joy
either.

Thinking about it now, I still believe that Joy brought up a daughter
called Rochelle, who was into baton twirling. Whether something has
happened to her since, though, might be open to some doubt.

--
CaroleT

Serena Blanchflower

2021-06-22 11:10:45 UTC

Post by carolet
Thinking about it now, I still believe that Joy brought up a daughter
called Rochelle, who was into baton twirling. Whether something has
happened to her since, though, might be open to some doubt.

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Christians shouldn't just be pulling people out of the river. We should
be going upstream to find out who's pushing them in. (Desmond Tutu)

DavidK

2021-06-22 14:27:18 UTC

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

I thought this too. but was going to put it in the Complicated vote

Penny

2021-06-22 15:08:46 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:10:45 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

Maybe my wording 'continue to exist' would have been better. I too believe
Joy brought up a daughter of that name.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Sam Plusnet

2021-06-22 20:32:37 UTC

Post by Penny
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:10:45 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

Maybe my wording 'continue to exist' would have been better. I too believe
Joy brought up a daughter of that name.

I thought baton twirling was only taught in police training colleges -
along with kettling?

--
Sam Plusnet

Mike McMillan

2021-06-23 07:20:37 UTC

Post by Penny
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:10:45 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

Maybe my wording 'continue to exist' would have been better. I too believe
Joy brought up a daughter of that name.

I thought baton twirling was only taught in police training colleges -
along with kettling?

Elemental my dear Watson…. (Not that those words ever appear in that
sequence in the works of ACD.)

--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan

Nick Odell

2021-06-23 09:00:11 UTC

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 07:20:37 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Penny
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:10:45 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

Maybe my wording 'continue to exist' would have been better. I too believe
Joy brought up a daughter of that name.

I thought baton twirling was only taught in police training colleges -
along with kettling?

Elemental my dear Watson. (Not that those words ever appear in that
sequence in the works of ACD.)

Perhaps that was a saying of Francis Crick.

Nick

BrritSki

2021-06-23 10:32:34 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 07:20:37 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan

Post by Penny
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:10:45 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

Maybe my wording 'continue to exist' would have been better. I too believe
Joy brought up a daughter of that name.

I thought baton twirling was only taught in police training colleges -
along with kettling?

Elemental my dear Watson…. (Not that those words ever appear in that
sequence in the works of ACD.)

Perhaps that was a saying of Francis Crick.

At the Franklin Mint ?

Nick Odell

2021-06-23 09:58:08 UTC

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:32:34 +0100, BrritSki

Post by BrritSki

Post by Nick Odell
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 07:20:37 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Penny
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:10:45 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Yes, that nicely sums up my feeling as well.

Maybe my wording 'continue to exist' would have been better. I too believe
Joy brought up a daughter of that name.

I thought baton twirling was only taught in police training colleges -
along with kettling?

Elemental my dear Watson. (Not that those words ever appear in that
sequence in the works of ACD.)

Perhaps that was a saying of Francis Crick.

At the Franklin Mint ?

:-)

N.

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2021-06-22 15:01:53 UTC

Post by carolet

Post by DavidK
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I have never doubted it until now.

Me neither. ("Now" being when somerats suggested she might not exist.)
[]

Post by carolet
Thinking about it now, I still believe that Joy brought up a daughter
called Rochelle, who was into baton twirling. Whether something has

So do I.

Post by carolet
happened to her since, though, might be open to some doubt.

Plausible (would that move the vote to "it's complicated"?), but I still
think she does still exist. (But then I'm in the minority that likes
Joy*, so that probably sways me.)

* I suppose - though I think of myself as cynical - I tend to see the
good side of people. Of the regular characters, I don't think I actually
dislike any of them (apart from obvious ones like Rob) other than Susan
(and maybe Kate). Even Brian, most of the time, I can _understand_.
(Same on UMRA: I've only ever killfiled one person, and that decades
ago, and that was because I _disagreed with_, rather than _disliked_,
him/her, and thought UMRA would be less boring for everyone else if I
didn't _see_ [and thus respond to] his/her posts.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... unlike other legal systems the common law is permissive. We can do what we
like, unless it is specifically prohibited by law. We are not as rule-bound
and codified as other legal systems. - Helena Kennedy QC (Radio Times 14-20
July 2012).

Peter

2021-06-22 14:25:30 UTC

Post by DavidK
I'm about to start three sub-threads, one each for Yes, No, and It's
Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the appropriate
submessage.
Someone elsewhere has done the same thing in both Facebook and Twitter
and the voting is very different. I'm curious how this group votes and
I'll disclose the results from elsewhere later.

I'm sure it's none of my business, but which Rochelle are you asking
about? Speakest thou of, for example, potassium sodium tartrate?

--
The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here
Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg

Tony Smith

2021-06-22 17:18:22 UTC

Post by DavidK
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Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the appropriate
submessage.

La Rochelle is a (real) place in France, feature in The Three Mouseketeers.

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2021-06-22 20:35:51 UTC

Post by Tony Smith

Post by DavidK
I'm about to start three sub-threads, one each for Yes, No, and It's
Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the appropriate
submessage.

La Rochelle is a (real) place in France, feature in The Three Mouseketeers.

Where the salt was first prepared:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_sodium_tartrate
(I only knew of its piezoelectric properties [produces voltage if you
squeeze it], which is why crystals of it were used in crystal pickups
and microphones, but of course it has lots of other uses).

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

if you're paying for something, you're the customer; if you're getting it
free, you're the product.

John Ashby

2021-06-22 18:32:39 UTC

With a view to encouraging an informed decision can those with better
memories than mine confirm or deny that two Christmases ago we heard
(one side of) a telephone with Rochelle crying off a visit which led to
Joy spending Christmas at Bridge Farm with hilarious consequences?

john

carolet

2021-06-22 22:11:28 UTC

Post by John Ashby

I can't credit my memory, just my archives, but on 12/12/19 (his 45th
wedding anniversary), Tony dropped in on Joy to give her some polish for
her Midget and she said that she'd been skyping Rochelle all afternoon
making plans for Christmas, she'd invited them all down to her new house
which was big enough for all of them.

After some time working on the car, Joy started crying and then admitted
that she was a liar, she hadn't been skyping, instead Rochelle had sent
a text to say that she was too busy to come for Christmas, in fact she
probably wouldn't see them until the new year. When Tony asked why she'd
said otherwise earlier, Joy said "Because I wanted you to think me
family loved me". Later she said that Rochelle always was a daddy's
girl, so perhaps she said that she was going to her dad for Christmas.
Joy also asked Tony not to tell anyone about this, she'd be mortified,
she'd done nothing but talk about Rochelle, if people really knew how
things really were ...
Tony promised not to. Just then the oven dinged, her beef casserole was
ready. She'd never got the hang of cooking for one, there was always too
much, which she had to freeze. Tony took pity on her and stayed to eat
with her.

Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful anniversary
present, and a special meal for just the two of them (everyone else had
gone out to make this possible). He had to admit that he forgotten their
anniversary, and let it slip that he thought it was only 44 years, but
wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

--
CaroleT

DavidK

2021-06-23 07:31:34 UTC

Post by carolet

Post by John Ashby

Post by DavidK
I'm about to start three sub-threads, one each for Yes, No, and It's
Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the
appropriate submessage.
Someone elsewhere has done the same thing in both Facebook and
Twitter and the voting is very different. I'm curious how this group
votes and I'll disclose the results from elsewhere later.

With a view to encouraging an informed decision can those with better
memories than mine confirm or deny that two Christmases ago we heard
(one side of) a telephone with Rochelle crying off a visit which led
to Joy spending Christmas at Bridge Farm with hilarious consequences?
john

I can't credit my memory, just my archives, but on 12/12/19 (his 45th
wedding anniversary), Tony dropped in on Joy to give her some polish for
her Midget and she said that she'd been skyping Rochelle all afternoon
making plans for Christmas, she'd invited them all down to her new house
which was big enough for all of them.
After some time working on the car, Joy started crying and then admitted
that she was a liar, she hadn't been skyping, instead Rochelle had sent
a text to say that she was too busy to come for Christmas, in fact she
probably wouldn't see them until the new year. When Tony asked why she'd
said otherwise earlier, Joy said "Because I wanted you to think me
family loved me". Later she said that Rochelle always was a daddy's
girl, so perhaps she said that she was going to her dad for Christmas.
Joy also asked Tony not to tell anyone about this, she'd be mortified,
she'd done nothing but talk about Rochelle, if people really knew how
things really were ...
Tony promised not to. Just then the oven dinged, her beef casserole was
ready. She'd never got the hang of cooking for one, there was always too
much, which she had to freeze. Tony took pity on her and stayed to eat
with her.
Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful anniversary
present, and a special meal for just the two of them (everyone else had
gone out to make this possible). He had to admit that he forgotten their
anniversary, and let it slip that he thought it was only 44 years, but
wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

Blimey, is that what you wrote about the episode back then? Do you
diarise every episode?

carolet

2021-06-23 15:37:47 UTC

Post by DavidK
I'm about to start three sub-threads, one each for Yes, No, and It's
Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the
appropriate submessage.
Someone elsewhere has done the same thing in both Facebook and
Twitter and the voting is very different. I'm curious how this group
votes and I'll disclose the results from elsewhere later.

With a view to encouraging an informed decision can those with better
memories than mine confirm or deny that two Christmases ago we heard
(one side of) a telephone with Rochelle crying off a visit which led
to Joy spending Christmas at Bridge Farm with hilarious consequences?
john

I can't credit my memory, just my archives, but on 12/12/19 (his 45th
wedding anniversary), Tony dropped in on Joy to give her some polish
for her Midget and she said that she'd been skyping Rochelle all
afternoon making plans for Christmas, she'd invited them all down to
her new house which was big enough for all of them.
After some time working on the car, Joy started crying and then
admitted that she was a liar, she hadn't been skyping, instead
Rochelle had sent a text to say that she was too busy to come for
Christmas, in fact she probably wouldn't see them until the new year.
When Tony asked why she'd said otherwise earlier, Joy said "Because I
wanted you to think me family loved me". Later she said that Rochelle
always was a daddy's girl, so perhaps she said that she was going to
her dad for Christmas. Joy also asked Tony not to tell anyone about
this, she'd be mortified, she'd done nothing but talk about Rochelle,
if people really knew how things really were ...
Tony promised not to. Just then the oven dinged, her beef casserole
was ready. She'd never got the hang of cooking for one, there was
always too much, which she had to freeze. Tony took pity on her and
stayed to eat with her.
Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful
anniversary present, and a special meal for just the two of them
(everyone else had gone out to make this possible). He had to admit
that he forgotten their anniversary, and let it slip that he thought
it was only 44 years, but wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

Blimey, is that what you wrote about the episode back then? Do you
diarise every episode?

I half wish I had the time and inclination to do that, answering such
questions wold then be much easier.

What I do have is a record of when each character appears, knowing that
we were talking about Christmas 2019, it was not difficult to work out
which episode it might have been (if it had been difficult, I would have
given up at that point). I was then able to find the relevant download
and listen to it, making notes.

--
CaroleT

Chris

2021-06-23 17:10:22 UTC

Post by DavidK
I'm about to start three sub-threads, one each for Yes, No, and It's
Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the
appropriate submessage.
Someone elsewhere has done the same thing in both Facebook and
Twitter and the voting is very different. I'm curious how this group
votes and I'll disclose the results from elsewhere later.

With a view to encouraging an informed decision can those with better
memories than mine confirm or deny that two Christmases ago we heard
(one side of) a telephone with Rochelle crying off a visit which led
to Joy spending Christmas at Bridge Farm with hilarious consequences?
john

I can't credit my memory, just my archives, but on 12/12/19 (his 45th
wedding anniversary), Tony dropped in on Joy to give her some polish
for her Midget and she said that she'd been skyping Rochelle all
afternoon making plans for Christmas, she'd invited them all down to
her new house which was big enough for all of them.
After some time working on the car, Joy started crying and then
admitted that she was a liar, she hadn't been skyping, instead
Rochelle had sent a text to say that she was too busy to come for
Christmas, in fact she probably wouldn't see them until the new year.
When Tony asked why she'd said otherwise earlier, Joy said "Because I
wanted you to think me family loved me". Later she said that Rochelle
always was a daddy's girl, so perhaps she said that she was going to
her dad for Christmas. Joy also asked Tony not to tell anyone about
this, she'd be mortified, she'd done nothing but talk about Rochelle,
if people really knew how things really were ...
Tony promised not to. Just then the oven dinged, her beef casserole
was ready. She'd never got the hang of cooking for one, there was
always too much, which she had to freeze. Tony took pity on her and
stayed to eat with her.
Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful
anniversary present, and a special meal for just the two of them
(everyone else had gone out to make this possible). He had to admit
that he forgotten their anniversary, and let it slip that he thought
it was only 44 years, but wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

Blimey, is that what you wrote about the episode back then? Do you
diarise every episode?

I half wish I had the time and inclination to do that, answering such
questions wold then be much easier.
What I do have is a record of when each character appears, knowing that
we were talking about Christmas 2019, it was not difficult to work out
which episode it might have been (if it had been difficult, I would have
given up at that point). I was then able to find the relevant download
and listen to it, making notes.

*Impressive*.

You doing the cast lists means I can tell my visually impaired non netted
friend when casts have changed a bit during lockdown. She’s not a big
computer user and very little detail gets put into other formats.

Thanks Carolet

Sincerely Chris

carolet

2021-06-23 20:46:20 UTC

Post by DavidK
I'm about to start three sub-threads, one each for Yes, No, and It's
Complicated; please vote in one of them by replying to the
appropriate submessage.
Someone elsewhere has done the same thing in both Facebook and
Twitter and the voting is very different. I'm curious how this group
votes and I'll disclose the results from elsewhere later.

With a view to encouraging an informed decision can those with better
memories than mine confirm or deny that two Christmases ago we heard
(one side of) a telephone with Rochelle crying off a visit which led
to Joy spending Christmas at Bridge Farm with hilarious consequences?
john

I can't credit my memory, just my archives, but on 12/12/19 (his 45th
wedding anniversary), Tony dropped in on Joy to give her some polish
for her Midget and she said that she'd been skyping Rochelle all
afternoon making plans for Christmas, she'd invited them all down to
her new house which was big enough for all of them.
After some time working on the car, Joy started crying and then
admitted that she was a liar, she hadn't been skyping, instead
Rochelle had sent a text to say that she was too busy to come for
Christmas, in fact she probably wouldn't see them until the new year.
When Tony asked why she'd said otherwise earlier, Joy said "Because I
wanted you to think me family loved me". Later she said that Rochelle
always was a daddy's girl, so perhaps she said that she was going to
her dad for Christmas. Joy also asked Tony not to tell anyone about
this, she'd be mortified, she'd done nothing but talk about Rochelle,
if people really knew how things really were ...
Tony promised not to. Just then the oven dinged, her beef casserole
was ready. She'd never got the hang of cooking for one, there was
always too much, which she had to freeze. Tony took pity on her and
stayed to eat with her.
Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful
anniversary present, and a special meal for just the two of them
(everyone else had gone out to make this possible). He had to admit
that he forgotten their anniversary, and let it slip that he thought
it was only 44 years, but wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

Blimey, is that what you wrote about the episode back then? Do you
diarise every episode?

I half wish I had the time and inclination to do that, answering such
questions wold then be much easier.
What I do have is a record of when each character appears, knowing that
we were talking about Christmas 2019, it was not difficult to work out
which episode it might have been (if it had been difficult, I would have
given up at that point). I was then able to find the relevant download
and listen to it, making notes.

*Impressive*.
You doing the cast lists means I can tell my visually impaired non netted
friend when casts have changed a bit during lockdown. She’s not a big
computer user and very little detail gets put into other formats.
Thanks Carolet
Sincerely Chris

I'm glad to be of use.

--
CaroleT

Penny

2021-06-24 10:18:00 UTC

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 21:46:20 +0100, carolet <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by carolet
I'm glad to be of use.

Have no doubt, you are of great use and much appreciated but don't get
thanked enough for it.

Thank you!

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Vicky Ayech

2021-06-23 07:48:47 UTC

Post by carolet

Post by John Ashby

I can't credit my memory, just my archives, but on 12/12/19 (his 45th
wedding anniversary), Tony dropped in on Joy to give her some polish for
her Midget and she said that she'd been skyping Rochelle all afternoon
making plans for Christmas, she'd invited them all down to her new house
which was big enough for all of them.
After some time working on the car, Joy started crying and then admitted
that she was a liar, she hadn't been skyping, instead Rochelle had sent
a text to say that she was too busy to come for Christmas, in fact she
probably wouldn't see them until the new year. When Tony asked why she'd
said otherwise earlier, Joy said "Because I wanted you to think me
family loved me". Later she said that Rochelle always was a daddy's
girl, so perhaps she said that she was going to her dad for Christmas.
Joy also asked Tony not to tell anyone about this, she'd be mortified,
she'd done nothing but talk about Rochelle, if people really knew how
things really were ...
Tony promised not to. Just then the oven dinged, her beef casserole was
ready. She'd never got the hang of cooking for one, there was always too
much, which she had to freeze. Tony took pity on her and stayed to eat
with her.
Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful anniversary
present, and a special meal for just the two of them (everyone else had
gone out to make this possible). He had to admit that he forgotten their
anniversary, and let it slip that he thought it was only 44 years, but
wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

Did Pat and Tony then invite her toChristmas dinner? And she did
somehting tactless or pushy then? And Pat had to set her straight
about Tony being hers at some point then or later? Or am I imagining
it?

Sam Plusnet

2021-06-23 21:16:59 UTC

On 22-Jun-21 23:11, carolet wrote:

<snip much of an impressive recall>

Post by carolet
Eventually Tony got home and was presented with a wonderful anniversary
present, and a special meal for just the two of them (everyone else had
gone out to make this possible). He had to admit that he forgotten their
anniversary, and let it slip that he thought it was only 44 years, but
wasn't going to let on that he'd already eaten.

T'other day, we were eating breakfast when Wofe suddenly got up & darted
into the kitchen & seemed to be squinting at the calendar we keep there.
She came back and said "Happy Anniversary."
I had forgotten, and she had only just that moment thought of it.

We are usually on holiday at this time of year & 'celebrate' with a pub
meal - not such a big deal whilst we are on holiday but much less common
at other times.
At one time, the closest thing we had to a 'local' was a pub in Cornwall
(we live in Wales).

--
Sam Plusnet

Chris

2021-06-24 08:10:26 UTC