CONCORDE DEATH & ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - 2 ACTS of TREASON in ONE DAY !

[Wotan]

Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.

Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.

I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !

(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.

What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

[Robin Carmody]

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded and has had its day.

RC

[Paul Burridge]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:15:34 +0100, "Robin Carmody"

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him

Agreed. The country needs it.

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

My thoughts entirely.

Post by Robin Carmody
Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded and has had its day.

Tony Benn's a man of principle. Respect is due for that, but I'm just
relieved that he never rose to power. I suspect we all have reason to
be grateful for that. Some people are best suited to opposition. :-)
As for Concorde being outdated; if that is so, no doubt you'll be able
to point us to its replacement?

<twiddling thumbs>

[Wotan]

Post by Paul Burridge
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:15:34 +0100, "Robin Carmody"

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him

Agreed. The country needs it.

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

My thoughts entirely.

Post by Robin Carmody
Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded and has had its day.

Tony Benn's a man of principle. Respect is due for that, but I'm just
relieved that he never rose to power. I suspect we all have reason to
be grateful for that. Some people are best suited to opposition. :-)
As for Concorde being outdated; if that is so, no doubt you'll be able
to point us to its replacement?
<twiddling thumbs>

I wish I could, Paul !

But it is STILL ahead of its time, and I cannot conceive of
any plane that could ever be more beautiful - or loved.

When I sat on a grassy bank at an airshow some years back,
and Concorde flew along Southend seafront, people stood
up and CHEERED. And a few of the ladies cried, believe
it or not !

It is an experience I will never forget.

I don't know whether I was more proud of the plane or the
ordinary people who were there on that day in their ten's of
thousands.

[che guevara]

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.

btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa................................................
.....................................................in fact they were
as jealous as hell and scared it would be a big success globally - those
facts were also reported in the UK press at the time.

the french, a key driver of the concorde project, got their revenge,
tho.

European Airbus was born. and is now bigger than any u.s. civilian plane
maker.

hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa...........

che

[Patriot]

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

You are typically full of shit. American companies were ready, willing and
able to build SSTs but conformed to the wishes of the government and
respected the sound limitations.

The Americans were involved with the design and manufacture of the Concorde
and ideed provided one pivotal portion of the plane that the French and
Brits did not have a clue to.

On another note, why don't they load the illegals on the decrepit planes and
send them home and then let them keep the planes. The illegals would be gone
and they sure as hell could never figure out how to keep them flying.

--
Patriot

[che guevara]

Post by Wotan

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that

Concorde

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

You are typically full of shit. American companies were ready, willing and
able to build SSTs but conformed to the wishes of the government and
respected the sound limitations.
The Americans were involved with the design and manufacture of the Concorde
and ideed provided one pivotal portion of the plane that the French and
Brits did not have a clue to.
On another note, why don't they load the illegals on the decrepit planes and
send them home and then let them keep the planes. The illegals would be gone
and they sure as hell could never figure out how to keep them flying.
--

keep taking the meds; they help you to stay in denial, which is good for
your self esteem. the true picture obviously makes you feel that <.>
small.

che

[CapStick]

Post by Wotan

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that

Concorde

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

You are typically full of shit. American companies were ready, willing and
able to build SSTs but conformed to the wishes of the government and
respected the sound limitations.
The Americans were involved with the design and manufacture of the Concorde
and ideed provided one pivotal portion of the plane that the French and
Brits did not have a clue to.
On another note, why don't they load the illegals on the decrepit planes and
send them home and then let them keep the planes. The illegals would be gone
and they sure as hell could never figure out how to keep them flying.
--
Patriot

Bollocks
Best plane builders in the world
Brits

Concorde wasnt touched by yanks
that is why it flies so well
Yanks got the jet fighter from the brits i think the only aviation recird
they hold is long distance elastic band planes

Even the shuttle has a fair quantity of british engineering.
Yanks are good atonly one thing

Killing
The wrong people
Rant over.


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[Patriot]

Post by CapStick
Concorde wasnt touched by yanks
that is why it flies so well
Yanks got the jet fighter from the brits i think the only aviation recird
they hold is long distance elastic band planes
Even the shuttle has a fair quantity of british engineering.
Yanks are good atonly one thing
Killing
The wrong people
Rant over.

The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique feature
of the drop down nose. For some reason the Brit bluster fell on it's ass
again and had to share with the Frogs and Yanks to even get the designed and
built. when the Yank companies did not build an SST due to noise limitations
much of that technology was shared with the Concorde builders.

Your thinking is far off on several things of course and flight records is
certainly one of them.

And Yanks killing the wrong people?? I wondered about that in the 40's but
did have some relatives living on your miserable little rock of an island
and it would have been a bloody shame for them to have had to learn to speak
German at such an age.

Many of you poor whiny resentful twits should concentrate on trying to feed
yourselves instead of trashing your benefactors.

--
Patriot

[John Walker]

Post by Patriot

Post by CapStick
Concorde wasnt touched by yanks
that is why it flies so well
Yanks got the jet fighter from the brits i think the only aviation recird
they hold is long distance elastic band planes
Even the shuttle has a fair quantity of british engineering.
Yanks are good atonly one thing
Killing
The wrong people
Rant over.

The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique feature
of the drop down nose <snip>

I think you'll find that they didn't. The "drop down nose" as you call it,
had already been used on a previous British design, the Fairey FD2. That
first flew in the early 1950s, long before anybody had given so much as a
thought to Concorde. The FD2 captured the world air speed record in 1954.
The "drop down nose" was also a feature of the Bristol Aircraft Company's
early designs for an SST which would eventually evolve into Concorde, but
not the French ones.

JW



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[Malcolm Knight]

Post by Patriot

Post by Patriot
The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique

feature

Post by Patriot
of the drop down nose <snip>

I think you'll find that they didn't. The "drop down nose" as you call it,
had already been used on a previous British design, the Fairey FD2. That
first flew in the early 1950s, long before anybody had given so much as a
thought to Concorde. The FD2 captured the world air speed record in 1954.
The "drop down nose" was also a feature of the Bristol Aircraft Company's
early designs for an SST which would eventually evolve into Concorde, but
not the French ones.

We may have built the nose of Fairy Delta 2 (1132mph in 1956) but the
French were given that bit to make for Concorde.

When the droop-snoot was delivered with 'Made in USA' on it I remember
very well the reaction of some of the British design team. It was along
the lines "we told you that the French aviation industry isn't up to the
job". I've yet to find exactly what the French did contribute to
Concorde. Not even the original galley (kitchen) according to what I was
told at the time.

[Wotan]

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot

Post by Patriot
The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique

feature

Post by Patriot
of the drop down nose <snip>

I think you'll find that they didn't. The "drop down nose" as you

call it,

Post by Patriot
had already been used on a previous British design, the Fairey

FD2.

Post by John Walker
That

Post by Patriot
first flew in the early 1950s, long before anybody had given so

much

Post by John Walker
as a

Post by Patriot
thought to Concorde. The FD2 captured the world air speed record

in

Post by John Walker
1954.

Post by Patriot
The "drop down nose" was also a feature of the Bristol Aircraft

Company's

Post by Patriot
early designs for an SST which would eventually evolve into

Concorde,

Post by John Walker
but

Post by Patriot
not the French ones.

We may have built the nose of Fairy Delta 2 (1132mph in 1956) but the
French were given that bit to make for Concorde.
When the droop-snoot was delivered with 'Made in USA' on it I

remember

Post by John Walker
very well the reaction of some of the British design team. It was along
the lines "we told you that the French aviation industry isn't up to the
job". I've yet to find exactly what the French did contribute to
Concorde. Not even the original galley (kitchen) according to what I was
told at the time.
--
Malcolm

Nice to get a bit of informed comment from people who know
in these newsgroups.

That is a VERY rare occurance.

Thank you both, Malcolm and John !

[Patriot]

Post by John Walker
I think you'll find that they didn't. The "drop down nose" as you call it,
had already been used on a previous British design, the Fairey FD2.

But not adaptable to the Concorde and was totally redesigned and utilized
several different principals in it's operation.

Post by John Walker

The FD2 captured the world air speed record in 1954.<<

And held it for a very short time.

Post by John Walker
The "drop down nose" was also a feature of the Bristol Aircraft Company's
early designs for an SST which would eventually evolve into Concorde, but
not the French ones.

Were you to actually check invoices, receiveing records and bills of lading
you would find the nose assemblies and assessories were labeled "Made in
USA." The Bristol Aircraft Company's out dated efforts were found to be
unusable and not worth redesigning. Time had passed them by.

--
Patriot

[che guevara]

Post by Patriot

Post by CapStick
Concorde wasnt touched by yanks
that is why it flies so well
Yanks got the jet fighter from the brits i think the only aviation recird
they hold is long distance elastic band planes
Even the shuttle has a fair quantity of british engineering.
Yanks are good atonly one thing
Killing
The wrong people
Rant over.

The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique feature
of the drop down nose. For some reason the Brit bluster fell on it's ass
again and had to share with the Frogs and Yanks to even get the designed and
built. when the Yank companies did not build an SST due to noise limitations
much of that technology was shared with the Concorde builders.
Your thinking is far off on several things of course and flight records is
certainly one of them.
And Yanks killing the wrong people?? I wondered about that in the 40's but
did have some relatives living on your miserable little rock of an island
and it would have been a bloody shame for them to have had to learn to speak
German at such an age.
Many of you poor whiny resentful twits should concentrate on trying to feed
yourselves

europe has food and drink mountains *without* using assistance , e.g.
GMm from the US or anyone else.

Post by Patriot
instead of trashing your benefactors.

do we trash the soviets?

and the UK bought/leased hardware from the US...forgotten?

che

[Patriot]

Post by che guevara
and the UK bought/leased hardware from the US...forgotten?

No I haven't but I think the Brits did shortly after they were given full
meals and the Hun wasn't looking down a gun barrel at them.

--
Patriot

[Orange]

Post by Patriot

Post by che guevara
and the UK bought/leased hardware from the US...forgotten?

No I haven't but I think the Brits did shortly after they were given full
meals and the Hun wasn't looking down a gun barrel at them.

Your first Whittle designed jet engines were just handed over on a plate by
a British government under the guise of lease-lend.

However what goes around comes around, because despite being a war
shattered country we were being bled dry struggling to payback huge war
loans [to you know who].

Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency after
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the
Russians, who promptly copied and fitted them in the Mig 15, used very
successfully [against you know who] in the Korean War.


Patriot

[Patriot]

Post by Orange
Your first Whittle designed jet engines were just handed over on a plate by
a British government under the guise of lease-lend.
However what goes around comes around, because despite being a war
shattered country we were being bled dry struggling to payback huge war
loans [to you know who].
Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency after
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the
Russians, who promptly copied and fitted them in the Mig 15, used very
successfully [against you know who] in the Korean War.

Sorry boyo, but your kettle has several holes in it and does not carry much
impact when held up to the light of day.

We could not help the Brit incompetence causing them grief nor do we have
any sympathy with their pissing and moaning about lost fortunes and on and
on. It is simply that the simple minded piss wits were out maneuvered in the
air, on the ground and in the corporate and international board rooms.

--
Patriot

[Orange]

Post by Patriot

Post by Orange
Your first Whittle designed jet engines were just handed over on a plate

by

Post by Orange
a British government under the guise of lease-lend.
However what goes around comes around, because despite being a war
shattered country we were being bled dry struggling to payback huge war
loans [to you know who].
Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency after
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the
Russians, who promptly copied and fitted them in the Mig 15, used very
successfully [against you know who] in the Korean War.

Sorry boyo, but your kettle has several holes in it and does not carry much
impact when held up to the light of day.

No holes in my kettle 'boyo', plenty of references on goggle if you bother
to look.

"On 22 July 1941, the work of Power Jets and Whittle was heading over to
America. There were no royalties for this, under the lend-lease terms."

"The XP-59A was powered by the first American jet engine, the General
Electric I-A, which was centrifugal-flow and based on the W2B design of
Frank Whittle."

"From the end of the Second World War the USSR undertook a vast development
program for modern jet-powered warplanes, and the first classic fighter to
emerge was the swept-wing MiG-15, which flew in December 1947 as the 1-310
with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet. The Nene was copied in the USSR as the
RD-45, and in its improved RD-45F version this was used in the MiG- 15
production fighter, which entered service late in 1948"

[Patriot]

Post by Orange

Post by Patriot

Post by Orange
Your first Whittle designed jet engines were just handed over on a plate

by

Post by Orange
a British government under the guise of lease-lend.
However what goes around comes around, because despite being a war
shattered country we were being bled dry struggling to payback huge war
loans [to you know who].
Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency

after

Post by Patriot

Post by Orange
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the
Russians, who promptly copied and fitted them in the Mig 15, used very
successfully [against you know who] in the Korean War.

Sorry boyo, but your kettle has several holes in it and does not carry

much

Post by Patriot
impact when held up to the light of day.

No holes in my kettle 'boyo', plenty of references on goggle if you bother
to look.
"On 22 July 1941, the work of Power Jets and Whittle was heading over to
America. There were no royalties for this, under the lend-lease terms."
"The XP-59A was powered by the first American jet engine, the General
Electric I-A, which was centrifugal-flow and based on the W2B design of
Frank Whittle."
"From the end of the Second World War the USSR undertook a vast development
program for modern jet-powered warplanes, and the first classic fighter to
emerge was the swept-wing MiG-15, which flew in December 1947 as the 1-310
with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet. The Nene was copied in the USSR as the
RD-45, and in its improved RD-45F version this was used in the MiG- 15
production fighter, which entered service late in 1948"

Yes, most exciting times to some of us who were around then. And we are well
aware of the various Mig configurations and the manner in which they were
generally encountered and overcome.

Something to consider is that organizations like Pratt and Whitney, North
American, Martin, Lockheed, General Electric, Boeing, Douglas, Northrop,
etal, were not in the position of the half strangled Brits and had no need
to offer tidbits of accomplishments to survive during those years as did the
Brits.

It may be well to note that none of these companies, etal, felt the need to
share information with the world in general and especially a country that
had no means to utilize it and at times offered high risk of selling or
losing said information to less than friendly groups.

Those years during the 30's and early 40's offered a quagmire of alliances
and pacts which could change at a whim. At no time could it be defined with
any degree of assurance who would be shooting at who. This included all
Europe, the Japs, Russia and to a certain extent England. Not a good time to
be giving away the kings secrets.

As you move out into the world and look around yourself for the first time
you soon realize that the world does not revolve around google searches.
Perhaps google does not know the whole story but only that part which is
popular to the street gawkers. Often good for grammar school reports and
similar issues but nothing to bet your stocks on.

Much of the activities of the time, but behind the scenes and out of the
news, is available but more than likely will be found in deep web type
searches which access databases not listed with nor open by the casual
search tools.

You may rest assured that Mr. Kelly at Skunk Works did not call up google
and tell them just what really made the Blackbird tick. Oh, yes, and why it
continues to fly, albeit damned expensively.

--
Patriot

[Greg Hennessy]

Post by Orange
Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency after
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the

The UK wasnt 'forced', it was *deliberately* done on the orders of Harold
Wilson in a one sided trade deal which swapped the most advanced jet engine
technology in the world for timber.

The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad idea.
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by aircraft
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.


greg

[Orange]

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange
Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency after
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the

The UK wasnt 'forced', it was *deliberately* done on the orders of Harold
Wilson in a one sided trade deal which swapped the most advanced jet engine
technology in the world for timber.
The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad idea.
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by aircraft
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.

The history books must have got it wrong then [" the MiG-15, which flew in
December 1947 as the 1-310 with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet."] because as
far as I'm aware Clement Attlee was the post war Labour prime minister.

Post by Greg Hennessy
greg
--
The Following is a true story.....
Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

[Greg Hennessy]

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad idea.
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by aircraft
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.

The history books must have got it wrong then [" the MiG-15, which flew in
December 1947 as the 1-310 with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet."]

Yes, a prototype powered by one engine out of the *50* count them, *fifty*
RR Nenes supplied under the trade agreement. That is the grand sum *total*
of Nene engines supplied by the UK to the USSR under this trade deal.

What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?

Did RR or the UK recieve a single penny in licensing fees for the 12000
Klimov VK-1 Nene knock offs used the above. Did they bollocks.

Never mind the use of the VK-1 in nearly 6000 Mig-17s.

Post by Orange
because as
far as I'm aware Clement Attlee was the post war Labour prime minister.

Which has *what* to do with the ultimate decision to supply the engines
being taken by Harold Wilson who was President of the Board of Trade at the
time, approving the deal created by Stafford Cripps whom he succeeded in
the job.

Stafford Cripps was well documented as a communist before the war, spent
1939 acting on Moscows orders organising opposition to the upcoming war
effort, leading AFAIK to his expulsion from the party.

Clearly he should never ever have been in any position to sell the west out
like he did.



I suggest you find Stalins quote upon being told of the jet engine offer,
before making yourself look such an idiot the next time.



greg

[Orange]

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad idea.
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by aircraft
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.

The history books must have got it wrong then [" the MiG-15, which flew in
December 1947 as the 1-310 with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet."]

Yes, a prototype powered by one engine out of the *50* count them, *fifty*
RR Nenes supplied under the trade agreement. That is the grand sum *total*
of Nene engines supplied by the UK to the USSR under this trade deal.
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?
Did RR or the UK recieve a single penny in licensing fees for the 12000
Klimov VK-1 Nene knock offs used the above. Did they bollocks.
Never mind the use of the VK-1 in nearly 6000 Mig-17s.

Post by Orange
because as
far as I'm aware Clement Attlee was the post war Labour prime minister.

Which has *what* to do with the ultimate decision to supply the engines
being taken by Harold Wilson who was President of the Board of Trade at the
time, approving the deal created by Stafford Cripps whom he succeeded in
the job.
Stafford Cripps was well documented as a communist before the war, spent
1939 acting on Moscows orders organising opposition to the upcoming war
effort, leading AFAIK to his expulsion from the party.
Clearly he should never ever have been in any position to sell the west out
like he did.
I suggest you find Stalins quote upon being told of the jet engine offer,
before making yourself look such an idiot the next time.

One presumes that whatever Harold Wilson as President of the Board chose to
do or not do, such a major decision to have supplied these engines to the
Soviet's was bound to have ultimately been sanctioned by the Prime Minister
Clement Attlee.

Post by Greg Hennessy
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?

You obviously chose to ignore the part of my previous post which actually
stated "The Nene was 'COPIED' in the USSR as the RD-45, and in its improved
RD-45F version this was used in the MiG- 15 production fighter, which
entered service late in 1948"

Post by Greg Hennessy
greg
--
The Following is a true story.....
Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

[Greg Hennessy]

Post by Orange
One presumes that whatever Harold Wilson as President of the Board chose to
do or not do, such a major decision to have supplied these engines to the
Soviet's was bound to have ultimately been sanctioned by the Prime Minister
Clement Attlee.

No, that decision was made by the president of the board of trade, it was
his and his alone. The same person who 17 years later ordered the
cancellation and complete destruction of the TSR2.

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?

You obviously chose to ignore the part of my previous post which actually

Your contradiction of what you posted previously is noted.

1st you claim that the engines where sold to the russians for dollars.
When in reality they were bartered for timber which was neither scarce nor
priced in USD and freely available from the colonies priced in £SD.

When I pointed out that.

"The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad idea.
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by aircraft
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea. "

Note the use of the word 'copies'.

You post the non sequitur

"The history books must have got it wrong then [" the MiG-15, which flew in
December 1947 as the 1-310 with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet."] "


So I suggest getting your story straight.


greg

[Patriot]

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad

idea.

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by aircraft
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.

The history books must have got it wrong then [" the MiG-15, which flew

in

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange
December 1947 as the 1-310 with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet."]

Yes, a prototype powered by one engine out of the *50* count them, *fifty*
RR Nenes supplied under the trade agreement. That is the grand sum

*total*

Post by Greg Hennessy
of Nene engines supplied by the UK to the USSR under this trade deal.
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?
Did RR or the UK recieve a single penny in licensing fees for the 12000
Klimov VK-1 Nene knock offs used the above. Did they bollocks.
Never mind the use of the VK-1 in nearly 6000 Mig-17s.

Post by Orange
because as
far as I'm aware Clement Attlee was the post war Labour prime minister.

Which has *what* to do with the ultimate decision to supply the engines
being taken by Harold Wilson who was President of the Board of Trade at

the

Post by Greg Hennessy
time, approving the deal created by Stafford Cripps whom he succeeded in
the job.
Stafford Cripps was well documented as a communist before the war, spent
1939 acting on Moscows orders organising opposition to the upcoming war
effort, leading AFAIK to his expulsion from the party.
Clearly he should never ever have been in any position to sell the west

out

Post by Greg Hennessy
like he did.
I suggest you find Stalins quote upon being told of the jet engine offer,
before making yourself look such an idiot the next time.

One presumes that whatever Harold Wilson as President of the Board chose to
do or not do, such a major decision to have supplied these engines to the
Soviet's was bound to have ultimately been sanctioned by the Prime Minister
Clement Attlee.

Post by Greg Hennessy
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?

You obviously chose to ignore the part of my previous post which actually
stated "The Nene was 'COPIED' in the USSR as the RD-45, and in its improved
RD-45F version this was used in the MiG- 15 production fighter, which
entered service late in 1948"

Post by Greg Hennessy
greg
--
The Following is a true story.....
Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

Can this just be chalked up as yet another ongoing rash of examples of a
Brit blunders when face to face with the competitive portion of the world??

Did they learn nothing of the Russians in the millennium prior to then??

Shame on them..................

--
Patriot

[Orange]

Post by Nicolas Benicoeur

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad

idea.

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by

aircraft

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange

Post by Greg Hennessy
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.

The history books must have got it wrong then [" the MiG-15, which flew

in

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange
December 1947 as the 1-310 with a Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet."]

Yes, a prototype powered by one engine out of the *50* count them,

*fifty*

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Greg Hennessy
RR Nenes supplied under the trade agreement. That is the grand sum

*total*

Post by Greg Hennessy
of Nene engines supplied by the UK to the USSR under this trade deal.
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?
Did RR or the UK recieve a single penny in licensing fees for the 12000
Klimov VK-1 Nene knock offs used the above. Did they bollocks.
Never mind the use of the VK-1 in nearly 6000 Mig-17s.

Post by Orange
because as
far as I'm aware Clement Attlee was the post war Labour prime minister.

Which has *what* to do with the ultimate decision to supply the engines
being taken by Harold Wilson who was President of the Board of Trade at

the

Post by Greg Hennessy
time, approving the deal created by Stafford Cripps whom he succeeded in
the job.
Stafford Cripps was well documented as a communist before the war, spent
1939 acting on Moscows orders organising opposition to the upcoming war
effort, leading AFAIK to his expulsion from the party.
Clearly he should never ever have been in any position to sell the west

out

Post by Greg Hennessy
like he did.
I suggest you find Stalins quote upon being told of the jet engine

offer,

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Greg Hennessy
before making yourself look such an idiot the next time.

One presumes that whatever Harold Wilson as President of the Board chose

to

Post by Greg Hennessy
do or not do, such a major decision to have supplied these engines to the
Soviet's was bound to have ultimately been sanctioned by the Prime

Minister

Post by Greg Hennessy
Clement Attlee.

Post by Greg Hennessy
What do you think powered the other 12000 odd Mig-15s which were built ?

You obviously chose to ignore the part of my previous post which actually
stated "The Nene was 'COPIED' in the USSR as the RD-45, and in its

improved

Post by Greg Hennessy
RD-45F version this was used in the MiG- 15 production fighter, which
entered service late in 1948"

Post by Greg Hennessy
greg
--
The Following is a true story.....
Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

Can this just be chalked up as yet another ongoing rash of examples of a
Brit blunders when face to face with the competitive portion of the world??
Did they learn nothing of the Russians in the millennium prior to then??
Shame on them..................
--

It must be remembered that at that time [despite Churchill's immense
distrust of Stalin] the Russians were seen by many as our allies, without
whom the war wouldn't have been won. Then of course there was Klaus Fuchs,
who allegedly hastened the birth of the Russian A-bomb by a number of years
.

Post by Nicolas Benicoeur
Patriot

[Wotan]

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Orange
Apparently to try and earn some desperately-needed foreign currency after
the war we were forced into selling some Rolls Royce jet engines to the

The UK wasnt 'forced', it was *deliberately* done on the orders of Harold
Wilson in a one sided trade deal which swapped the most advanced jet engine
technology in the world for timber.

AND under which TRSR2 was scrapped - because it was far too far
ahead of the Yanks.

Post by Greg Hennessy
The govt of the day *was* warned by the RAE, that this was a RF bad idea.
Which proved to be the case when RAF/RN pilots were killed by

aircraft

Post by Greg Hennessy
using *unlicensed* copies of these engines in Korea.
greg
--
The Following is a true story.....
Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

[Jonathan Bratt]

Post by Patriot

Post by che guevara
and the UK bought/leased hardware from the US...forgotten?

No I haven't but I think the Brits did shortly after they were given full
meals and the Hun wasn't looking down a gun barrel at them.
--
Patriot

Hey - could this be the return of Burbling Bob Knauer?

[AlanG]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:32:41 +0000, Jonathan Bratt

Post by Jonathan Bratt

Post by Patriot

Post by che guevara
and the UK bought/leased hardware from the US...forgotten?

No I haven't but I think the Brits did shortly after they were given full
meals and the Hun wasn't looking down a gun barrel at them.
--
Patriot

Hey - could this be the return of Burbling Bob Knauer?

No
This is a pillock posting from a comcast account.
Just ignore him and he'll resurface somewhere else attacking your
lettuce

--
Alan G
"The corporate life [of society] must be
subservient to the lives of the parts instead
of the lives of the parts being subservient to
the corporate life."
(Herbert Spencer)

[sPoNiX]

Post by Patriot
The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique feature
of the drop down nose. For some reason the Brit bluster fell on it's ass
again and had to share with the Frogs and Yanks to even get the designed and
built. when the Yank companies did not build an SST due to noise limitations
much of that technology was shared with the Concorde builders.

The US did not build their SST as they realised it would not be able
to reach supersonic speeds.

sPoNiX

[Flying Rat]

Patriot said this...

Post by Patriot
The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique feature
of the drop down nose.

The drop snoot visibility aid was first flown on the Fairey FD2 in the
50s.

Please try researching your history and not rewriting it to suit.

FR

[Wotan]

Post by Flying Rat
Patriot said this...

Post by Patriot
The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the unique feature
of the drop down nose.

The drop snoot visibility aid was first flown on the Fairey FD2 in the
50s.
Please try researching your history and not rewriting it to suit.

Wrote a well known Frog arse licker and notorious Marxist "EU"
quisling - well known for making it up as he goes along.

[Flying Rat]

Wotan said this...

Post by Patriot

Post by Flying Rat
Patriot said this...

Post by Patriot
The Concorde was indeed touched by the Yanks who designed the

unique feature

Post by Flying Rat

Post by Patriot
of the drop down nose.

The drop snoot visibility aid was first flown on the Fairey FD2 in

the

Post by Flying Rat
50s.
Please try researching your history and not rewriting it to suit.

Wrote a well known Frog arse licker and notorious Marxist "EU"
quisling - well known for making it up as he goes along.

Really?

Did I upset your delicate feelings when I deconstructed your last
Concorde rant and proved you to be a bald LIAR?

I am awfully sorry. Next time I do one of my party piece posts which
show you up to be a LIAR with the credibility of a walnut I shall
endeavour to be more thoughtful in my choice of words.

FR

(with thanks BTW...your recent gibbering reminded me that I had to renew
my Labour Party membership. I'm sure that Labour is grateful to you for
that service)

[Jonathan Bratt]

Post by Wotan
well known for making it up as he goes along.

Errmm....

[Wotan]

Post by CapStick
Even the shuttle has a fair quantity of british engineering.
Yanks are good at only one thing
Killing
The wrong people
Rant over.

You forgot "stealing British inventions - and battles".

And then handing the former over to Israel to sell to Red China
out of the back door.

[sPoNiX]

Post by Patriot
You are typically full of shit. American companies were ready, willing and
able to build SSTs but conformed to the wishes of the government and
respected the sound limitations.

The US SST was a flawed design that would not have obtained supersonic
speeds..

sPoNiX

[Wotan]

Post by Patriot

Post by che guevara

Post by che guevara
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that

concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

You are typically full of shit. American companies were ready,

willing and

Post by Patriot
able to build SSTs but conformed to the wishes of the government and
respected the sound limitations.

That must have been a first in the history of the renegade colony !

Post by Patriot
The Americans were involved with the design and manufacture of the Concorde
and ideed provided one pivotal portion of the plane that the French and
Brits did not have a clue to.

It is true that the vast majority of Concorde was built in Britain,
and that the Frogs sub-contracted some of it to the Yanks,
because the French didn't know how to build it.

But it is impudent of you in the extreme to imply that the British,
who invented the jet engine - and took that to the hieght of TRS2
junked at the insistence of an American president, to say nothing
of Blue Streak, another project junked at the insistence of the Yanks,
needed any help from the tecno-bandits in the US !

Post by Patriot
On another note, why don't they load the illegals on the decrepit planes and
send them home and then let them keep the planes. The illegals would be gone
and they sure as hell could never figure out how to keep them

flying.

Now there is a good suggestion !

The trouble is we could not get enough of them on board to
make the flights worth the fuel costs.

[INRI]

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa................................................
.....................................................in fact they were
as jealous as hell and scared it would be a big success globally - those
facts were also reported in the UK press at the time.
the french, a key driver of the concorde project, got their revenge,
tho.
European Airbus was born. and is now bigger than any u.s. civilian plane
maker.
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa...........
che

Envy is the same reason the Yanks forced Wilson to scrap the TSR2, took
the piss by selling Wison a load of old rubbish in the name of the F111 and
then they went on to appropriate the advanced "Fly by wire" technology for
Cruise Missile production.

I have never voted Labour since Wilson sold out the british aircraft
industry.



--
INRI

[Wotan]

Post by INRI
Envy is the same reason the Yanks forced Wilson to scrap the TSR2, took
the piss by selling Wison a load of old rubbish in the name of the F111 and
then they went on to appropriate the advanced "Fly by wire"

technology for

Post by INRI
Cruise Missile production.
I have never voted Labour since Wilson sold out the british aircraft
industry.

Good for you !

I left the Conservative party and joined the then Liberal party
the moment Heath sold us out the back door to Franco-German
Axis.

(At the time it WAS the Liberal party - and strongly anti-EEC.
The (real) Liberal party that survives from the SDLP annexation
and destruction STILL opposes the EU - and I am told carries
the message "Stuff the euro" on its web site.

I now belong to no political party. )

[Jonathan Bratt]

Post by INRI

Post by INRI
Envy is the same reason the Yanks forced Wilson to scrap the TSR2,

took

Post by INRI
the piss by selling Wison a load of old rubbish in the name of the

F111 and

Post by INRI
then they went on to appropriate the advanced "Fly by wire"

technology for

Post by INRI
Cruise Missile production.
I have never voted Labour since Wilson sold out the british aircraft
industry.

Good for you !
I left the Conservative party and joined the then Liberal party
the moment Heath sold us out the back door to Franco-German
Axis.
(At the time it WAS the Liberal party - and strongly anti-EEC.
The (real) Liberal party that survives from the SDLP annexation
and destruction STILL opposes the EU - and I am told carries
the message "Stuff the euro" on its web site.
I now belong to no political party. )

Not even the Monster Raving Loonies?

[Wotan]

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time) that
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was not
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the yanks
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that it
was too noisy.

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.............................................
...

Post by che guevara
.....................................................in fact they were
as jealous as hell and scared it would be a big success globally - those
facts were also reported in the UK press at the time.
the french, a key driver of the concorde project, got their revenge,
tho.
European Airbus was born. and is now bigger than any u.s. civilian plane
maker.
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes, Che, I have to confess that even I rejoiced at the success of
Airbus - a well deserved kick in the arse for our selfish and
greedy "allies" across the pond !

Pity it was a bloody French idea, though.

It could have been British Aerospace, if we had at the time had
an even nearly British government in power.

[che guevara]

Post by Wotan

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !
One commentator said to me today that he thought that the
death sentence for Blair and his crowd should now be a
'racing certainty'.
I don't know about that - but it is a national tragedy that his
little heart wobble did not kill him !
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that

Concorde

Post by che guevara

Post by Robin Carmody
is outmoded

not stylewise, though.
btw, the *real* reason (highlighted in the UK press at the time)

that

Post by che guevara
concorde never made it commercially was that the yanks refused it
permission to land *anywhere* in the US. the reason - because it was

not

Post by che guevara
a u.s. plane and it was way ahead of them. oops, the reason the

yanks

Post by che guevara
gave at the time (1969) for not allowing it landing rights was that

it

Post by che guevara
was too noisy.

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.............................................
...

Post by che guevara
.....................................................in fact they

were

Post by che guevara
as jealous as hell and scared it would be a big success globally -

those

Post by che guevara
facts were also reported in the UK press at the time.
the french, a key driver of the concorde project, got their revenge,
tho.
European Airbus was born. and is now bigger than any u.s. civilian

plane

Post by che guevara
maker.
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes, Che, I have to confess that even I rejoiced at the success of
Airbus - a well deserved kick in the arse for our selfish and
greedy "allies" across the pond !
Pity it was a bloody French idea, though.
It could have been British Aerospace, if we had at the time had
an even nearly British government in power.

look at what the israeilis achieve (a lot of innovation in software and
hardware, including military hardware). a tiny population but with the
political will to push ahead, albeit dipping into those billions they
get a year in 'aid' (hah, what a joke) from the u.s.

[Matthew Robb]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:15:34 +0100, "Robin Carmody"

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
(Tony Benn, the real labour minister who made Concorde
possible by blocking treasury moves to kill it off, was at
the ceremonial landing at Heathrow today.
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded and has had its day.

Tony Bennmay be a decent bloke. He's also responsible for a large part
of the UK economic decline this century. Few people have had such a
bad effect on their country

cheers

matt

[Anthony Edwards]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:38:27 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Robb

Post by Matthew Robb
Tony Bennmay be a decent bloke. He's also responsible for a large part
of the UK economic decline this century.

The almost total (immediate and consequential) decline in UK
manufacturing industry and hence our nation's wealth and long term
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

I believe that the British people recognise that too (and have long,
bitter memories of the needless, senseless but profound hardship
undergone by so many in pursuit of monetarist policies at the time),
which is why the current Tories remain unelectable as a result of guilt
by association, and are likely to remain unelectable for several more
years, no matter how dire the current administration may become.

[Greg Hennessy]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

You are Mike Mitchell in drag and I claim my five pounds.

It would be hard to dream up such an idiotic claim let alone make one.


greg

[Anthony Edwards]

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

You are Mike Mitchell in drag and I claim my five pounds.
It would be hard to dream up such an idiotic claim let alone make one.

http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/20030609-mon.html

The US Federal Reserve abandoned strict monetarism some years before
the UK of course, with the result that the US economy recovered more
quickly, and did not sustain such deep and lasting damage, as our own.

[Greg Hennessy]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:28:39 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

You are Mike Mitchell in drag and I claim my five pounds.
It would be hard to dream up such an idiotic claim let alone make one.

http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/20030609-mon.html
The US Federal Reserve abandoned strict monetarism some years before
the UK of course, with the result that the US economy recovered more
quickly, and did not sustain such deep and lasting damage, as our own.

Hmmm, I don't see *any* mention of the UK in that article never mind Mrs T.
Nothing in there detailing the 35 odd years of decline prior to 1979 to
support your assertion, or are you claiming that she was responsible for
the 3 day week, nationalised monstrosities bleeding the country dry, the
destruction of the education system for political reasons and the brain
drain/economic damage caused by ruinous levels of taxation ?

An irrelevant article from a single US based economist pushing a line for
his wall street employers does not make your case, especially considering
that the UK problems of the late 80s were as a direct consequence of Lawson
*ignoring* Alan Walters advice by shadowing the DMark.


greg

[Patriot]

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:28:39 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

You are Mike Mitchell in drag and I claim my five pounds.
It would be hard to dream up such an idiotic claim let alone make one.

http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/20030609-mon.html
The US Federal Reserve abandoned strict monetarism some years before
the UK of course, with the result that the US economy recovered more
quickly, and did not sustain such deep and lasting damage, as our own.

Hmmm, I don't see *any* mention of the UK in that article never mind Mrs T.
Nothing in there detailing the 35 odd years of decline prior to 1979 to
support your assertion, or are you claiming that she was responsible for
the 3 day week, nationalised monstrosities bleeding the country dry, the
destruction of the education system for political reasons and the brain
drain/economic damage caused by ruinous levels of taxation ?
An irrelevant article from a single US based economist pushing a line for
his wall street employers does not make your case, especially considering
that the UK problems of the late 80s were as a direct consequence of Lawson
*ignoring* Alan Walters advice by shadowing the DMark.
greg

You left out incompetence

--
Patriot

[Patriot]

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

In reality the Brit financial decline started many decades ago when people
decided to kick their sorry asses out of their countries and Brit
incompetency just hurried it on it's way.

The person who put the final end to any great aspirations of Brit rebirth or
regaining any significant international influence was Adolph Hitler. That
mad little corporal scared the living shit right out of them and took all
the bluster with it eventually restituting the Brits while bleeding their
industrial complex dry and made them face up to the fact they were rather
weak and ineffectual when their bluff was called on home ground.

I always wondered if it were true that wind bag churchill had actually
ordered the thousands of German grammar books in preparation of
capitulation. We may never know the answer to that as once again the very
generous and capable ally from far across the sea came to the rescue and
saved the day.

So Brit incompetence and Adolph Hitler are the culprit.

MS Thatcher actually had more balls than most of the PM's the Brit bunch
could scrounge up. But she did rather challenge some of the bed wetter
crowd.

--
Patriot

[John Walker]

Post by Patriot

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

In reality the Brit financial decline started many decades ago when people
decided to kick their sorry asses out of their countries and Brit
incompetency just hurried it on it's way.
The person who put the final end to any great aspirations of Brit rebirth or
regaining any significant international influence was Adolph Hitler. That
mad little corporal scared the living shit right out of them and took all
the bluster with it eventually restituting the Brits while bleeding their
industrial complex dry and made them face up to the fact they were rather
weak and ineffectual when their bluff was called on home ground.
I always wondered if it were true that wind bag churchill had actually
ordered the thousands of German grammar books in preparation of
capitulation. We may never know the answer to that as once again the very
generous and capable ally from far across the sea came to the rescue and
saved the day.
So Brit incompetence and Adolph Hitler are the culprit.

I think I would also add bleeding our reserves white in ordrer to pay "the
arsenal of democracy" for arms so we could keep the "mad little corporal" at
arms length. The UK paid for US rearmament. Don't forget - no UK
purchasing, no P51.

JW




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Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now

discredited,

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Anthony Edwards
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.

In reality the Brit financial decline started many decades ago when people
decided to kick their sorry asses out of their countries and Brit
incompetency just hurried it on it's way.
The person who put the final end to any great aspirations of Brit

rebirth

Post by John Walker
or

Post by Patriot
regaining any significant international influence was Adolph

Hitler. That

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
mad little corporal scared the living shit right out of them and took all
the bluster with it eventually restituting the Brits while

bleeding their

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
industrial complex dry and made them face up to the fact they were rather
weak and ineffectual when their bluff was called on home ground.
I always wondered if it were true that wind bag churchill had actually
ordered the thousands of German grammar books in preparation of
capitulation. We may never know the answer to that as once again the very
generous and capable ally from far across the sea came to the rescue and
saved the day.
So Brit incompetence and Adolph Hitler are the culprit.

I think I would also add bleeding our reserves white in ordrer to pay "the
arsenal of democracy" for arms so we could keep the "mad little corporal" at
arms length. The UK paid for US rearmament. Don't forget - no UK
purchasing, no P51.
JW

And it fell to Margaret Thatcher to announce that we had FINALLY
repaid the "lend lease" debt to America.

Is America repaying its debt to us for the 1st or 2 nd Gulf war ?

It is hell !

Instead it grabbed all of the rebuilding contracts for itself
(or, to be more exact, for its Zionist controlled multi-nationals)

[Patriot]

Post by Anthony Edwards

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now

discredited,

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Anthony Edwards
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the

Thatcher

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Anthony Edwards
government, in my view.

In reality the Brit financial decline started many decades ago

when people

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
decided to kick their sorry asses out of their countries and Brit
incompetency just hurried it on it's way.
The person who put the final end to any great aspirations of Brit

rebirth

Post by John Walker
or

Post by Patriot
regaining any significant international influence was Adolph

Hitler. That

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
mad little corporal scared the living shit right out of them and

took all

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
the bluster with it eventually restituting the Brits while

bleeding their

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
industrial complex dry and made them face up to the fact they were

rather

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
weak and ineffectual when their bluff was called on home ground.
I always wondered if it were true that wind bag churchill had

actually

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
ordered the thousands of German grammar books in preparation of
capitulation. We may never know the answer to that as once again

the very

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
generous and capable ally from far across the sea came to the

rescue and

Post by John Walker

Post by Patriot
saved the day.
So Brit incompetence and Adolph Hitler are the culprit.

I think I would also add bleeding our reserves white in ordrer to

pay "the

Post by John Walker
arsenal of democracy" for arms so we could keep the "mad little

corporal" at

Post by John Walker
arms length. The UK paid for US rearmament. Don't forget - no UK
purchasing, no P51.
JW

And it fell to Margaret Thatcher to announce that we had FINALLY
repaid the "lend lease" debt to America.
Is America repaying its debt to us for the 1st or 2 nd Gulf war ?
It is hell !
Instead it grabbed all of the rebuilding contracts for itself
(or, to be more exact, for its Zionist controlled multi-nationals)

Ah, we bleed for you. Ms Thatcher, unlike the slower of wits among you
understood the rules long before most of your rheumy politicos awoke. The
bill was "resolved" long before her time and the conditions were quite
generous indeed so that can not be a significant cause of your financial
duress.

Hmmm, perhaps we were remiss in siding with the cornered Brits. If we had
only let the Huns kick them clear across their little island and pen them up
we would have saved billions of good hard Yankee dollars and many, many
lives and resources. With our rapidly growing air capability and the Hun
industrial complex in tatters it would have been a cake walk to blast them
off of the little island and make a memorial out of it.

Hind sight is great

And you are welcome

--
Patriot

[Flying Rat]

Patriot said this...

Post by Patriot
Hmmm, perhaps we were remiss in siding with the cornered Brits. If we had
only let the Huns kick them clear across their little island and pen them up
we would have saved billions of good hard Yankee dollars and many, many
lives and resources.

And spent eternity under the jackboot as Greater Germany took over
Canada, then the US.

Rewriting history again?

Patriot my arse.

FR

[Patriot]

Post by Flying Rat
Patriot said this...

Post by Patriot
Hmmm, perhaps we were remiss in siding with the cornered Brits. If we had
only let the Huns kick them clear across their little island and pen them up
we would have saved billions of good hard Yankee dollars and many, many
lives and resources.

And spent eternity under the jackboot as Greater Germany took over
Canada, then the US.
Rewriting history again?
Patriot my arse.
FR

You dream, but it is your resentment showing though.

The Krauts never had nor aspired to realistically having the means of
attacking North America. Thumping a depressed little nearby island is a
considerably minor thing compared to taking on a major power which the Yanks
were by then.

I know it really grinds you twits but I still must say it:

"You are welcome"

--
Patriot

[Jonathan Bratt]

Post by Flying Rat
Patriot said this...

Post by Patriot
Hmmm, perhaps we were remiss in siding with the cornered Brits. If we had
only let the Huns kick them clear across their little island and pen them up
we would have saved billions of good hard Yankee dollars and many, many
lives and resources.

And spent eternity under the jackboot as Greater Germany took over
Canada, then the US.
Rewriting history again?
Patriot my arse.
FR

I think his real name is Bob Knauer. Well know pig shooter and nut case.

[Jan]

<snipped for brevity>

Post by Patriot

Post by Wotan

JW

And it fell to Margaret Thatcher to announce that we had FINALLY
repaid the "lend lease" debt to America.
Is America repaying its debt to us for the 1st or 2 nd Gulf war ?
It is hell !
Instead it grabbed all of the rebuilding contracts for itself
(or, to be more exact, for its Zionist controlled multi-nationals)

Ah, we bleed for you. Ms Thatcher, unlike the slower of wits among you
understood the rules long before most of your rheumy politicos awoke. The
bill was "resolved" long before her time and the conditions were quite
generous indeed so that can not be a significant cause of your financial
duress.
Hmmm, perhaps we were remiss in siding with the cornered Brits. If we had
only let the Huns kick them clear across their little island and pen them up
we would have saved billions of good hard Yankee dollars and many, many
lives and resources. With our rapidly growing air capability and the Hun
industrial complex in tatters it would have been a cake walk to blast them
off of the little island and make a memorial out of it.

Our little American child is ranting again. Tell us, O military
genius, just how;

1) With the UK under German occupation, would the German industrial
complex be in tatters? Perhaps Henry Ford would have withdrawn his
support? Would Joe Kennedy be crowing I told you so?

2) How could the US with its medium bombers B-17 and B-24 with
respective ranges of 1,850 miles and 2,100 miles have even reached
England. Seems there would be lots of splashing noises in the
atlantic.

3) Had the UK fallen to Germany, the US would have remained in
splendid isolation until Hitler had invaded you. Then you would have
seen panic like you have never seen it before.

Post by Patriot
Hind sight is great

Knowledge and intelligence is far greater, try it sometime, you may
surprise yourself.

Post by Patriot
And you are welcome

Jan

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[che guevara]

Post by Jan
<snipped for brevity>

Post by Patriot

Post by Wotan

JW

And it fell to Margaret Thatcher to announce that we had FINALLY
repaid the "lend lease" debt to America.
Is America repaying its debt to us for the 1st or 2 nd Gulf war ?
It is hell !
Instead it grabbed all of the rebuilding contracts for itself
(or, to be more exact, for its Zionist controlled multi-nationals)

Ah, we bleed for you. Ms Thatcher, unlike the slower of wits among you
understood the rules long before most of your rheumy politicos awoke. The
bill was "resolved" long before her time and the conditions were quite
generous indeed so that can not be a significant cause of your financial
duress.
Hmmm, perhaps we were remiss in siding with the cornered Brits. If we had
only let the Huns kick them clear across their little island and pen them up
we would have saved billions of good hard Yankee dollars and many, many
lives and resources. With our rapidly growing air capability and the Hun
industrial complex in tatters it would have been a cake walk to blast them
off of the little island and make a memorial out of it.

Our little American child is ranting again. Tell us, O military
genius, just how;
1) With the UK under German occupation, would the German industrial
complex be in tatters? Perhaps Henry Ford would have withdrawn his
support? Would Joe Kennedy be crowing I told you so?
2) How could the US with its medium bombers B-17 and B-24 with
respective ranges of 1,850 miles and 2,100 miles have even reached
England. Seems there would be lots of splashing noises in the
atlantic.
3) Had the UK fallen to Germany, the US would have remained in
splendid isolation until Hitler had invaded you. Then you would have
seen panic like you have never seen it before.

Post by Patriot
Hind sight is great

Knowledge and intelligence is far greater, try it sometime, you may
surprise yourself.

Post by Patriot
And you are welcome

Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

you seem to forget. had hitler invaded the UK he would have bought
himself more time for an innovative little project....the a-bomb.

i wonder what would have happened in a nuclear stand-off between germany
and the US. could the former have successfully launched an on-going
number of a-bomb tipped missiles across the atlantic? if not, their
army of subs might have done something nasty; a-bomb tipped torpedoes
into all north american major ports and seaside cities?

anyway, it's unlikely the yanks would have been the first to the moon,
as they would not have had the german expertise that got them there : )

but patriot is right in one thing: the UK has for long had weak
leadership, blair included.

[Wotan]

Post by Greg Hennessy
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now

discredited,

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Anthony Edwards
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the

Thatcher

Post by Greg Hennessy

Post by Anthony Edwards
government, in my view.

You are Mike Mitchell in drag and I claim my five pounds.
It would be hard to dream up such an idiotic claim let alone make one.
greg

So you have never heard of Austin Mitchell ?

The man who claims to be anti-EU, but who voted FOR the Maastricht
treaty - and is a fanatical supporter of Regional Assemblies ?

Simply saying that the man is talking nonesense (and I do not agree
that he is) does not persaude anybody that he is wrong.

[Paul Burridge]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:05 -0000, Anthony Edwards

Post by Anthony Edwards
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:38:27 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Robb

Post by Matthew Robb
Tony Bennmay be a decent bloke. He's also responsible for a large part
of the UK economic decline this century.

The almost total (immediate and consequential) decline in UK
manufacturing industry and hence our nation's wealth and long term
economic prospects can be directly attributed to the now discredited,
almost totally nonsensical monetarist doctrine pursued by the Thatcher
government, in my view.
I believe that the British people recognise that too (and have long,
bitter memories of the needless, senseless but profound hardship
undergone by so many in pursuit of monetarist policies at the time),
which is why the current Tories remain unelectable as a result of guilt
by association, and are likely to remain unelectable for several more
years, no matter how dire the current administration may become.

I can't believe they're seriously considering having Michael Howard
of all poeple take over from IDS. Sounds like a sure-fire recipe for a
further decade in opposition. They never seem to learn!

[Anthony Edwards]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:49:16 +0000, Paul Burridge

Post by Paul Burridge
I can't believe they're seriously considering having Michael Howard
of all poeple take over from IDS. Sounds like a sure-fire recipe for a
further decade in opposition. They never seem to learn!

My preference would be for Kenneth Clarke. I have always wondered,
incidentally, precisely what Ann Widdecombe meant when she said
(about Michael Howard) that he has "something of the night about him":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1387124.stm

[sPoNiX]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:15:34 +0100, "Robin Carmody"

Post by Robin Carmody
That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded

Outmoded by which aircraft in particular?

[Wotan]

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
What a difference there is between this patriotic old Labour
war horse, and the greasy excrement pretending to be a
Labour PM today.)

Tony Benn is a decent man, yes. That doesn't negate the fact that Concorde
is outmoded and has had its day.

According to you, everything British is "outmoded and has
had its day" - including the Brithish people and nation.

You are very badly mistaken !

As you will discover once we have Blair and the other
ring leaders of the Marxist wrecker cells in Britain behind
bars - and the country is given an even chance in the
world.

[Jonathan Bratt]

According to you, everything British is "outmoded and has had its day"
- including the Brithish people and nation.

No - only the Britain you cling to has gone. A new Britain is already
alive and doing well thank you.

[u***@hotmail.com]

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

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Post by u***@hotmail.com

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

______________

It just doesn't work anymore.

You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very terrible
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.

It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and 'illegal') is
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the demography of the
nation.

Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

[che guevara]

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

______________
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very terrible
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and 'illegal') is
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the demography of the
nation.
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

the same is going on in the u.s., tho on a much grander scale (well it
is a much bigger country, but...). 1m new migrants a year + illegals.
Full story in the guardian's G2 today (24th). well worth a read. try
www.guardian.co.uk - search on Road to ruin, or... America eats itself.

che

[Wotan]

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not

"illegal"

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

______________
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very terrible
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and

'illegal') is

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the

demography of the

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
nation.
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

the same is going on in the u.s., tho on a much grander scale (well it
is a much bigger country, but...). 1m new migrants a year +

illegals.

Post by che guevara
Full story in the guardian's G2 today (24th). well worth a read.

try

Post by che guevara
www.guardian.co.uk - search on Road to ruin, or... America eats itself.
che

I have just returned from Manchester tonight.

And although I never believed I would ever think this, much less
write it, I have to say that I cannot see any hope for the country
at all unless we bite the bullet and face the inevitability of mass
deportation.

I could hardly find a native Mancunian - except in the art gallary
- which may not have provided a typical sample ! What the
hell Bradford must be like I tremble to think.

There is not absorbtion. There is utter, total swamping !

Yes, I know. It is the sort of idea that I have always been
accused of harbouring - and previously to this it was an unjust
slander.

But if anybody has got any other suggestion - then I would be
glad to hear what it is.

[che guevara]

Post by u***@hotmail.com

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not

"illegal"

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder

if

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

______________
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've

done my

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very

terrible

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not

to

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and

'illegal') is

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the

demography of the

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
nation.
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for

it, remain

Post by che guevara

Post by mhlife
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

the same is going on in the u.s., tho on a much grander scale (well

it

Post by che guevara
is a much bigger country, but...). 1m new migrants a year +

illegals.

Post by che guevara
Full story in the guardian's G2 today (24th). well worth a read.

try

Post by che guevara
www.guardian.co.uk - search on Road to ruin, or... America eats

itself.

Post by che guevara
che

I have just returned from Manchester tonight.
And although I never believed I would ever think this, much less
write it, I have to say that I cannot see any hope for the country
at all unless we bite the bullet and face the inevitability of mass
deportation.
I could hardly find a native Mancunian - except in the art gallary
- which may not have provided a typical sample ! What the
hell Bradford must be like I tremble to think.
There is not absorbtion. There is utter, total swamping !
Yes, I know. It is the sort of idea that I have always been
accused of harbouring - and previously to this it was an unjust
slander.
But if anybody has got any other suggestion - then I would be
glad to hear what it is.

well i guess as the u.s. is taking 1m a year of legals and blair's
master likes his little poodle....said poodle might persuade blush that
our population is too high. but, like the u.s. we have a policy of
increasing our population come hell or high water.

the trvth is this: at some stage the latinos will outnumber the anglo
saxons in the u.s. then little england will be out on its arse as far as
the 'special relationship' is concerned. that has huge implications for
our military which is 100% subservient to the u.s. as far as the firing
of nukes is concerned. we can't fire unless they give us the 'key'.

[Paul Burridge]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:48:12 +0100, "mhlife"

Post by mhlife
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very terrible
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.

Correct.

Post by mhlife
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and 'illegal') is
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the demography of the
nation.

Yes, it amounts to cultural genocide.

Post by mhlife
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

As you say, to anyone who cares to acknowledge the truth. Sadly there
not a few people (many here in fact) who are hell-bent in upholding
this agenda. As to those who are *really* behind it, it's the
Bilderberg Group. I'm sure you can find plenty of info on them from
the Internet. The real reason I could tell you but then I'd be
committing a criminal offence - they've got it all so tightly sewn up
we're not even allowed to discuss it.

[Patriot]

Post by Paul Burridge
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:48:12 +0100, "mhlife"

Post by mhlife
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very terrible
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.

Correct.

Post by mhlife
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and 'illegal') is
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the demography of the
nation.

Yes, it amounts to cultural genocide.

Post by mhlife
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

As you say, to anyone who cares to acknowledge the truth. Sadly there
not a few people (many here in fact) who are hell-bent in upholding
this agenda. As to those who are *really* behind it, it's the
Bilderberg Group. I'm sure you can find plenty of info on them from
the Internet. The real reason I could tell you but then I'd be
committing a criminal offence - they've got it all so tightly sewn up
we're not even allowed to discuss it.

=======


"A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch
to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit
microprocessor and produced by a two bit company."

The above looks like a close description of the Brit government and it's
minions.

This can be narrowed down considerably to the fact that the Brits can no
longer bully rag the helpless and illiterate natives around because now the
natives are no longer helpless nor are they illiterate in the methods of
obtaining the upper hand.

The Brits have now found an enemy they can not coerce not intimidate and
will be assimilated in a rather short time frame due to ignoring facts that
were knowledge to most of the world.

But always bare in mind that your day job is probably safe. They will need
you to feed them in due course.

Rather a case of reaping the seeds you have sown.

--
Patriot

[Elephar]

Post by Patriot

Post by Paul Burridge
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:48:12 +0100, "mhlife"

Forgive me, I have come late to the party so may have to catch up on the
boozey chat.

Post by Patriot
"A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch
to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit
microprocessor and produced by a two bit company."

Microsoft?

Post by Patriot
The above looks like a close description of the Brit government and
it's minions.
This can be narrowed down considerably to the fact that the Brits can
no longer bully rag the helpless and illiterate natives around
because now the natives are no longer helpless nor are they
illiterate in the methods of obtaining the upper hand.

World beaters at the old 'Bully the Natives' game though, weren't we?

Post by Patriot
The Brits have now found an enemy they can not coerce not intimidate
and will be assimilated in a rather short time frame due to ignoring
facts that were knowledge to most of the world.

Who would that be then?

Post by Patriot
But always bare in mind that your day job is probably safe. They will
need you to feed them in due course.

They're going to eat us?

Post by Patriot
Rather a case of reaping the seeds you have sown.

That's better than stealing some other blokes harvest?

[Patriot]

Post by Elephar
World beaters at the old 'Bully the Natives' game though, weren't we?

Shame it grinds to a halt when someone won't be bullied, eh?

Post by Elephar

The Brits have now found an enemy they can not coerce nor intimidate

Who would that be then?

Why. them terrible immigrants, of course. The Brits will be overwhelmed and
forced into submission by people they can not even take up arms and defend
against.

Post by Elephar
They're going to eat us?

Well only the pretty an dwell washed

Post by Elephar

Rather a case of reaping the seeds you have sown.

That's better than stealing some other blokes harvest?

Rather tough chewing either way, eh?

--
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[Elephar]

Post by Patriot

Post by Elephar
World beaters at the old 'Bully the Natives' game though, weren't we?

Shame it grinds to a halt when someone won't be bullied, eh?

Yep, Viets, Iraqies, Somalies - damned ignorant natives.

Post by Patriot

Post by Elephar

The Brits have now found an enemy they can not coerce nor intimidate

Who would that be then?

Why. them terrible immigrants, of course. The Brits will be
overwhelmed and forced into submission by people they can not even
take up arms and defend against.

Nah, we'll just watch how you deal with the South Americans moving north and
the Asians moving south. Then we will copy your fine example. Of course,
we'll probably have to learn Spanish or Urdu to understand you.

Post by Patriot

Post by Elephar
They're going to eat us?

Well only the pretty an dwell washed

Let's most of us off the hook then. Those bloody McDonalds play havoc with
the waistline and the complexion. Still, don't have to tell a Yank that, do
I?

Post by Patriot

Post by Elephar

Rather a case of reaping the seeds you have sown.

That's better than stealing some other blokes harvest?

Rather tough chewing either way, eh?

No, stolen fruit always tastes good doesn't it?

[Jan]

Post by mhlife

Post by Paul Burridge
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:48:12 +0100, "mhlife"

Post by mhlife
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done

my

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very

terrible

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.

Correct.

Post by mhlife
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and 'illegal')

is

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the demography of

the

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
nation.

Yes, it amounts to cultural genocide.

Post by mhlife
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it,

remain

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

As you say, to anyone who cares to acknowledge the truth. Sadly there
not a few people (many here in fact) who are hell-bent in upholding
this agenda. As to those who are *really* behind it, it's the
Bilderberg Group. I'm sure you can find plenty of info on them from
the Internet. The real reason I could tell you but then I'd be
committing a criminal offence - they've got it all so tightly sewn up
we're not even allowed to discuss it.

=======
"A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch
to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit
microprocessor and produced by a two bit company."
The above looks like a close description of the Brit government and it's
minions.
This can be narrowed down considerably to the fact that the Brits can no
longer bully rag the helpless and illiterate natives around because now the
natives are no longer helpless nor are they illiterate in the methods of
obtaining the upper hand.

A role that now seems to have been adopted by America.

Post by mhlife
The Brits have now found an enemy they can not coerce not intimidate and
will be assimilated in a rather short time frame due to ignoring facts that
were knowledge to most of the world.

Who's that then?

Post by mhlife
But always bare in mind that your day job is probably safe. They will need
you to feed them in due course.
Rather a case of reaping the seeds you have sown.

Take a look at the Mexican immigrants to the US, second language, or
maybe even the first language to be Spanish?

Jan

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Wotan]

Post by Paul Burridge
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:48:12 +0100, "mhlife"

Post by mhlife
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) but the fact remains that something very systematic and very terrible
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.

Correct.

Post by mhlife
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and

'illegal') is

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the

demography of the

Post by Paul Burridge

Post by mhlife
nation.

Yes, it amounts to cultural genocide.

Post by mhlife
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

As you say, to anyone who cares to acknowledge the truth. Sadly there
not a few people (many here in fact) who are hell-bent in upholding
this agenda. As to those who are *really* behind it, it's the
Bilderberg Group. I'm sure you can find plenty of info on them from
the Internet. The real reason I could tell you but then I'd be
committing a criminal offence - they've got it all so tightly sewn up
we're not even allowed to discuss it.

Bilderburgers ! Well, I have to say, Paul, that I had not put it
down to them.

I think it is part of a deliberate campaign of social engineering
which emanates from the primary Marxist subversive groups
in the country, and that starts at the top with Blair and his
inner group of cronies.

Making a start on saving the country, I am convinced, starts
with getting rid of Blair - and I now think by any means
possible.

After that, their is a mamoth task ahead of us to undo the vast
and deep damage he has (for the most part, covetly) inflicted
on the nation and people that he so clearly hates.

[Wotan]

Post by mhlife

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Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not

"illegal"

Post by mhlife

Post by u***@hotmail.com
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

______________
It just doesn't work anymore.
You can take the piss out of Wotan as much as you like ( and I've done my
share) ..

You certainly have !

Post by mhlife
..but the fact remains that something very systematic and very

terrible

Post by mhlife
is being done to the social fabric of Britain.

Bloody hell ! You finally caught on !

Post by mhlife
It should be clear now, to all except those wilfully determined not to
acknowledge the truth, that mass immigration (both 'legal and

'illegal') is

Post by mhlife
being used by some politicians to irreversibly change the demography of the
nation.
Who is *really* behind this, and what the *real* reasons are for it, remain
open to speculation - but the deliberate 'invasion' is undeniable.

[Orange]

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Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

On this evening's news one of the examples was an Albanian woman with two
kids living on social security.

IMO It would be interesting if an unbiased news source could select a
sample of several hundred of these people currently living on tax payers
handouts, and then return in a year's time to see how many are working and
contributing financially to this country.

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Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

On this evening's news one of the examples was an Albanian woman with two
kids living on social security.
IMO It would be interesting if an unbiased news source could select a
sample of several hundred of these people currently living on tax payers
handouts, and then return in a year's time to see how many are working and
contributing financially to this country.

Would "these people" include Brits doing exactly the same?
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Post by Orange

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Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

On this evening's news one of the examples was an Albanian woman with two
kids living on social security.
IMO It would be interesting if an unbiased news source could select a
sample of several hundred of these people currently living on tax payers
handouts, and then return in a year's time to see how many are working and
contributing financially to this country.

Would "these people" include Brits doing exactly the same?

As a contributor to the tax system for over 40 years, I assume you are
implying that just because I'm being ripped off by indigenous parasites,
then it's perfectly acceptable for tens of thousands of others with no valid
claims whatsoever, to enter this country illegally and join them?

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Post by Cheeky

Post by Orange
IMO It would be interesting if an unbiased news source could select a
sample of several hundred of these people currently living on tax payers
handouts, and then return in a year's time to see how many are working

and

Post by Cheeky

Post by Orange
contributing financially to this country.

Would "these people" include Brits doing exactly the same?

As a contributor to the tax system for over 40 years, I assume you are
implying that just because I'm being ripped off by indigenous parasites,
then it's perfectly acceptable for tens of thousands of others with no valid
claims whatsoever, to enter this country illegally and join them?

Nope. I just asked whether in your idea for a documentary we would
have a cross section of all recipients of benefits or just the
particular group that you've got a bee in your bonnet about. The
problem is that these people are turned into "parasites" as you term
them because they are specifically prevented from working (and, thus,
paying tax). Perhaps instead of banging them up at our expense
Blunkett should be finding out what their skills are and deploying
them accordingly.
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Post by Cheeky

Post by Orange
IMO It would be interesting if an unbiased news source could select a
sample of several hundred of these people currently living on tax payers
handouts, and then return in a year's time to see how many are working

and

Post by Cheeky

Post by Orange
contributing financially to this country.

Would "these people" include Brits doing exactly the same?

As a contributor to the tax system for over 40 years, I assume you are
implying that just because I'm being ripped off by indigenous parasites,
then it's perfectly acceptable for tens of thousands of others with no valid
claims whatsoever, to enter this country illegally and join them?

Nope. I just asked whether in your idea for a documentary we would
have a cross section of all recipients of benefits or just the
particular group that you've got a bee in your bonnet about. The
problem is that these people are turned into "parasites" as you term
them because they are specifically prevented from working (and, thus,
paying tax). Perhaps instead of banging them up at our expense
Blunkett should be finding out what their skills are and deploying
them accordingly.

Well now that they will be free to seek gainful employment, we should see a
hugh rise in in the number of Albanian doctors, brain surgeons, and Roma
scientists over the next few years.

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Nope. I just asked whether in your idea for a documentary we would
have a cross section of all recipients of benefits or just the
particular group that you've got a bee in your bonnet about. The
problem is that these people are turned into "parasites" as you term
them because they are specifically prevented from working (and, thus,
paying tax). Perhaps instead of banging them up at our expense
Blunkett should be finding out what their skills are and deploying
them accordingly.

Well now that they will be free to seek gainful employment, we should see a
hugh rise in in the number of Albanian doctors, brain surgeons, and Roma
scientists over the next few years.

ISTR that amongst refugees there are a good number professionally
qualified - especially doctors etc. Find them, train them up in
English and get them working I say.....

You say they are free to seek employment. When was the ban on them
working lifted?
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Nope. I just asked whether in your idea for a documentary we would
have a cross section of all recipients of benefits or just the
particular group that you've got a bee in your bonnet about. The
problem is that these people are turned into "parasites" as you term
them because they are specifically prevented from working (and, thus,
paying tax). Perhaps instead of banging them up at our expense
Blunkett should be finding out what their skills are and deploying
them accordingly.

Well now that they will be free to seek gainful employment, we should see a
hugh rise in in the number of Albanian doctors, brain surgeons, and Roma
scientists over the next few years.

ISTR that amongst refugees there are a good number professionally
qualified - especially doctors etc. Find them, train them up in
English and get them working I say.....
You say they are free to seek employment. When was the ban on them
working lifted?
--

I think it's pretty safe to assume that if a government tells somewhere in
excess of 60,000 people [according to yesterday's papers] that they're
perfectly welcome to swell the numbers of this grossly overpopulated once
green and pleasant land, then you don't expect them to continue to live on
tax payers handouts forever... although if the previous reputation of the
slime now running this country is anything to go on, then you could well be
right, perhaps they're not expected to get off their arse's and look for
work.

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Post by Orange
Well now that they will be free to seek gainful employment, we should see a
hugh rise in in the number of Albanian doctors, brain surgeons, and Roma
scientists over the next few years.

Since the NHS is shot to bits as it is, I guess it couldn't make
matters any worse. :-(

[Wotan]

Post by Cheeky

Post by Orange
IMO It would be interesting if an unbiased news source could select

a

Post by Cheeky

Post by Orange
sample of several hundred of these people currently living on tax payers
handouts, and then return in a year's time to see how many are working and
contributing financially to this country.

Would "these people" include Brits doing exactly the same?
--

Their parents having fought two world wars to defend our
democracy - and many generations to build the country, at
least they have SOME right to the benefits of our system.

People who come here because they see a land of milk and
honey they can live off in return for no contribution to creating
it, have no such right.

Those who have done well as a result of playing the system
to start with - and then working hard to build on the capital
thus obtained - are now engaged in crating up our economy
- and our jobs with it - and shipping it back to India !

Just why, exactly, do you think we should be perpared to
tolerate this - let alone to fund it - let alone to fund ever
more of it ?

Do you, perhaps, think we are a race of idiots ?

[Wotan]

Post by u***@hotmail.com

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

So if they were given permission to stay then they are not "illegal"
anything......otoh they are working and paying tax......I wonder if
Wotan has ever done either.......or are dead gods exempt :)

Somebody once sat down and calculated how many immigrants
we were paying for. I'm not going to tell you how many it
was, but it was a lot.

And, fyi, we will be working 12 or 14 hours a day over the next
3 months, if not more, to earn even more tax to give to your
little parasite criminal Blair, so that he can pay for even more
wogs to come here and bleed us white - and to pay for people
like you !

That may be one good reason to persuade the little shit not to
send ALL of our work to India ! But then, as a Uriah Heap
blood sucking solicitor, I rather doubt he is up to simple
arithmetic !

(With what's left over after he has slide a huge chunk of it to
his pals across the Channel, that is !)

So how many hours a day, and how many days a year do
you work, if any ?

[Nicolas Benicoeur]

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

We said au revoir to Concorde last May but I do share the sadness that this
great feat of Anglo-French engineering is being laid to rest.

However I do believe that Richard Branson is being disingenuous. He is in a
Win-win situation in that he is popular with the public for being seen as
Concorde's saviour, and winning because he knows that there is no way
Concorde would be dumped on him - surely bankrupting Virgin Atlantic. To
date he has failed to put forward a viable proposal of just how he intends
to run a fleet of Concorde when the parts manufacturer (Airbus) has
withdrawn its support. So unless he plans to set up a factory providing 70's
era aircraft parts there is no way Branson could save anything.

[JA**]

Post by Nicolas Benicoeur

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

We said au revoir to Concorde last May but I do share the sadness that this
great feat of Anglo-French engineering is being laid to rest.
However I do believe that Richard Branson is being disingenuous. He is in a
Win-win situation in that he is popular with the public for being seen as
Concorde's saviour, and winning because he knows that there is no way
Concorde would be dumped on him - surely bankrupting Virgin Atlantic. To
date he has failed to put forward a viable proposal of just how he intends
to run a fleet of Concorde when the parts manufacturer (Airbus) has
withdrawn its support. So unless he plans to set up a factory providing 70's
era aircraft parts there is no way Branson could save anything.

Are you not a pilot with.... they were once called BOAC?

[Wotan]

Post by Nicolas Benicoeur

Post by Wotan
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

We said au revoir to Concorde last May but I do share the sadness that this
great feat of Anglo-French engineering is being laid to rest.
However I do believe that Richard Branson is being disingenuous. He is in a
Win-win situation in that he is popular with the public for being seen as
Concorde's saviour, and winning because he knows that there is no way
Concorde would be dumped on him - surely bankrupting Virgin

Atlantic. To

Post by Nicolas Benicoeur
date he has failed to put forward a viable proposal of just how he intends
to run a fleet of Concorde when the parts manufacturer (Airbus) has
withdrawn its support. So unless he plans to set up a factory

providing 70's

Post by Nicolas Benicoeur
era aircraft parts there is no way Branson could save anything.

Yes, we have already heard the long planned, well rehearsed and
carefully co-ordinated excuses - and we have already told you
which orifice you can shove them up !

Just how stupid to you think people are ?

[Nicolas Benicoeur]

Post by Wotan
Yes, we have already heard the long planned, well rehearsed and
carefully co-ordinated excuses - and we have already told you
which orifice you can shove them up !
Just how stupid to you think people are ?

Wotan; The last of the romantics along with Mr Branson. As someone who flies
planes for a living I am probably better qualified to know the facts behind
Concorde's retirement, and I can assure that it isn't a dastardly EU plot
hatched by Toady Bliar and his Marxist cohorts.

[Vidcapper]

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

I thought the figure was 15,000?

[Orange]

Post by Vidcapper

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

I thought the figure was 15,000?

Confusing I must agree, some news sources were saying 15,000, others 50,000,
I take it that the latter were including family members in their figures, a
number which one can be assured will not remain static.

Post by Vidcapper
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Email to pahyett[AT]activist[DOT]demon[DOT]co[DOT]uk

[dormouse]

Post by Vidcapper

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

I thought the figure was 15,000?

Families

[Orange]

Post by dormouse

Post by Vidcapper

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

I thought the figure was 15,000?

Families

50,000 people, the population of a small town and associated infrastructure.

Post by dormouse
regards,
dormouse

[Wotan]

Post by Orange

Post by dormouse

Post by Vidcapper
I thought the figure was 15,000?

Families

50,000 people, the population of a small town and associated

infrastructure.
And rapidly becoming the population of EVERY town -
with the infrastructures set in place for them - whilst
ignoring the needs and requirement of the native British
peoples.

But then, that's how planned enthnocide works.

[Cynic]

Post by Wotan
And rapidly becoming the population of EVERY town -
with the infrastructures set in place for them - whilst
ignoring the needs and requirement of the native British
peoples.
But then, that's how planned enthnocide works.

Well, I suppose that's what happened in Australia and America. It
changed India quite a bit as well.

[Wotan]

Post by Vidcapper

Post by Wotan
Today Blair and his criminal subversives dealt two body
blows to the Britain that they hate so much.
Concorde was taken out of service for the last time - despite
pleas from Richard Branson to be allowed to continue to fly
the plane - and 50,000 illegal immigrants were simply given
permission to stay !

I thought the figure was 15,000?
--

It depends whether you listen to Blair news, or the real news.

Which is generally on Channel 4 at 7.00 pm - but it is wise to
monitor all of them to get most of the full story - and then to
read a selection of newspapers - and confirm this or other
wise from your own intelligence sources.

Fortunately we have a mulit-media monitor and several research
groups that does that for me (and, of course, a lot of
other people.)

[Robin Carmody]

Post by Wotan
It depends whether you listen to Blair news, or the real news.
Which is generally on Channel 4 at 7.00 pm

Would that be the Channel 4 which people of your ilk have denounced as
"loony left" for the last 21 years?

Ah well ... like your constant lack of any significant disagreement with
"che guevara", it confirms the way things really are these days, as opposed
to the way simplistic political and cultural "theorists" imagine they are.
The one thing I do know is that, more than ever, I despise everything you
stand for.

RC

[Steven X Brown]

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
It depends whether you listen to Blair news, or the real news.
Which is generally on Channel 4 at 7.00 pm

Would that be the Channel 4 which people of your ilk have denounced as
"loony left" for the last 21 years?

The very same! He's even been relying on The Guardian lately too... his swing to the left
has been remarkable hasn't it?

Post by Robin Carmody
Ah well ... like your constant lack of any significant disagreement with
"che guevara", it confirms the way things really are these days, as opposed
to the way simplistic political and cultural "theorists" imagine they are.
The one thing I do know is that, more than ever, I despise everything you
stand for.

A simple rule of thumb I find - if Wotan stands for something, it's a fair bet that the
opposing view is the morally correct one. :-)

[Robin Carmody]

Post by Steven X Brown

Post by Robin Carmody

Post by Wotan
It depends whether you listen to Blair news, or the real news.
Which is generally on Channel 4 at 7.00 pm

Would that be the Channel 4 which people of your ilk have denounced as
"loony left" for the last 21 years?

The very same! He's even been relying on The Guardian lately too... his swing to the left
has been remarkable hasn't it?

To be precise, his sympathies are with the Statist Left. He wouldn't admire
the way that, for example, both the Wilson and Blair governments changed the
laws on homosexuality ... but then they only did that because they both
vanquished the ultra-Statist Left tendencies which were dominant under
Gaitskell and Foot respectively.

If anything, Wotan might agree more with the Morning Star on most things
than with the Guardian, because the Communist paper doesn't employ such a
high percentage of writers who believe in the free movement of peoples and
the right of individuals to choose where they want to live and who they want
to mix with.

RC