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Checkmate, DoW #1
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has fallen, and she can't get up! LOL, etc...
God has perfect timing. . .
How could you *not* believe?
Both Checkmate and Pandora are blinded by their
arrogance. God warned about the dangers of arrogance
for the very reason we see demonstrated in the
attitudes of Checkmate and Pandora towards the
Lord.
They reject the Lord for no other reason than their
arrogance which renders them too proud and haughty
to even READ the Bible and consider the evidence
before they reject it. Nay, they reject it while
being totally ignorant of it.
This is really an abuse of the intelligence God
created them to have and to use. It is inspired
by their false belief that THEY are superior to
any and all.
Sad, so sad. A brain is a terrible thing to waste.
The bible is one big clusterfuck of aimless, unorganized, and
contradictory ramblings, used by everyone to allegedly support whatever
agenda they wish to force on people. The supposed writings of the Big
Four were written long after their deaths. Nobody even knows anything
about most of Jesus' life. There's about twenty years that aren't even
accounted for. This is undoubtedly one of the biggest and longest
running scams in all of recorded history.
So why do you judge a book vicariously? Why not read it
instead of taking the word of other ignorant assayers?
I've read plenty of it, but not all, for the above-stated reasons.
Before someone decides to read the bible, they should read the history
of the bible to put things in the proper context.
So you are admitting that reading a biased secular
debunking of it first is conducive to appreciating it
for what it is - the word of God?
"God" didn't write the bible, Sodomite.
Where did I say God wrote the Bible. I said
the Bible is God's word.
There's a difference, ya know.
The bible is hearsay, mostly written by unknown ghost writers who
claimed that the words they wrote were actually penned by others.
Here's what the Huffington Post says on that subject, and it's only one
of many sources that have come to the same conclusion:


Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone
admits that the Bible might contain errors ? a faulty creation story
here, a historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other
place. But is it possible that the problem is worse than that ? that the
Bible actually contains lies?


Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all,
sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars
of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of
America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they
refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the
New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity,
claiming to be a famous apostle ? Peter, Paul or James ? knowing full
well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a
book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.


Most modern scholars of the Bible shy away from these terms, and for
understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientèle. Teaching
in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate
populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by
calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different
term for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."


You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern
scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the
New Testament, and in seminary courses, and in PhD. seminars. What the
people who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means
"writing that is inscribed with a lie."


And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book
of 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere ? except for our
friends among the fundamentalists ? will tell you that there is no way
on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it
claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an
acceptable practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in
the name of someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look
at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that
they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful
practice, even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into
the New Testament because the church fathers, centuries later, were
convinced that Peter wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that
someone else lied about his identity.


The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most
scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go
under Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely
claimed to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled
as pseudo ? lies.


This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for
people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for
whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it
matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be
Paul. But he was lying about that ? he was someone else living after
Paul had died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and
authority to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were
speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop.
The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his
readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to
exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of
Eden. No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to
have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).


Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded,
by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of
history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never
said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is
still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are
there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed
to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches
today that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is
because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive
and pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but
someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was
Paul.


It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that
some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is
truth more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the
gospel as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in
Jesus"; he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors
(4:24-25); and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth
around your waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He
was not really Paul.


It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors
of 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified
to lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate
their claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They
were creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings,
lies and all.


Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious
Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and the New
York Times bestselling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus,
Interrupted'. His latest book, 'Forged: Writing in the Name of God ? Why
the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are', is now available
from HarperOne.


SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html

IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
--
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AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore)
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Sn!pe
2016-09-14 13:20:01 UTC
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Checkmate, DoW #1 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
Not to detract from any of that but to be duped requires a
susceptible dupee (to coin a neologism). I wonder how that
came about; simple ignorance or what?
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pandora
2016-09-14 16:48:04 UTC
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[...]
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
Not to detract from any of that but to be duped requires a susceptible
dupee (to coin a neologism). I wonder how that came about; simple
ignorance or what?
Wishful thinking.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
2016-09-14 19:09:38 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:47 -0700, "Checkmate, DoW #1" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
--
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.

"It is my learned opinion that a man
should not mince words just to spare
the sensibilities of the thin-skinned
or the ignorant."
Checkmate, DoW #1
2016-09-14 19:20:59 UTC
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Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
There are hundreds of other sources out there that say the same thing...
this is old news.
--
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AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore)
Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Vote (Post-Burnore)
Originator of the "Dance for me" (tm) lame
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Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
2016-09-15 19:52:56 UTC
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Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:47 -0700, "Checkmate, DoW #1"
<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
Check out what the Hufpo did to this guy that worked there:


Unbelievable shutdown of the media and journalists, or people like me that
posts this stuff to fb.

No freedom of speech under democrats (Oduma or Hitery)

Vote Trump!
Jeanne Douglas
2016-09-16 00:32:30 UTC
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Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:47 -0700, "Checkmate, DoW #1"
<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
http://youtu.be/xHhNr5jeTIw
Unbelievable shutdown of the media and journalists, or people like me that
posts this stuff to fb.
No freedom of speech under democrats (Oduma or Hitery)
What does freedom of speech have to do with this nutjob?
Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
Vote Trump!
If you want a nuclear holocaust.
--
JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream
up a God superior to themselves. Most
Gods have the manners and morals of a
spoiled child.
Checkmate, DoW #1
2016-09-16 00:42:01 UTC
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In article <hlwdjsd2-***@news.giganews.com>, hlwdjsd2
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:47 -0700, "Checkmate, DoW #1"
<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
http://youtu.be/xHhNr5jeTIw
Unbelievable shutdown of the media and journalists, or people like me that
posts this stuff to fb.
No freedom of speech under democrats (Oduma or Hitery)
What does freedom of speech have to do with this nutjob?
Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
Vote Trump!
If you want a nuclear holocaust.
"Better to burn out, than fade away..."
--
Checkmate, Royal Order of the DoW #1, and Official Ko0K Wrangler
AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore)
Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Vote (Post-Burnore)
Originator of the "Dance for me" (tm) lame
Copyright © 2016
all rights reserved
Sn!pe
2016-09-16 00:59:29 UTC
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Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
Vote Trump!
If you want a nuclear holocaust.
"Better to burn out, than fade away..."
Yes, we all will go together when we go.

#
When you attend a funeral
It is sad to think that sooner or
Later those you love will do the same for you
And you may have thought it tragic
(Not to mention other adjec-
-tives) to think of all the weeping they will do
But don't you worry

No more ashes, no more sackcloth
And an arm band made of black cloth
Will some day nevermore adorn a sleeve
For if the bomb that drops on you
Gets your friends and neighbors too
There'll be nobody left behind to grieve

And we will all go together when we go
What a comforting fact that is to know
Universal bereavement -
An inspiring achievement!
Yes, we all will go together when we go

We will all go together when we go
All suffused with an incandescent glow
No one will have the endurance
To collect on his insurance
Lloyd's of London will be loaded when they go

Oh we will all fry together when we fry
We'll be French-fried potatoes by-and-by
There will be no more misery
When the world is our rotisserie
Yes, we all will fry together when we fry

Down by the old maelstrom
There'll be a storm before the calm

And we will all bake together when we bake
There'll be nobody present at the wake
With complete participation
In that grand incineration
Nearly three billion hunks of well-done steak

Oh we will all char together when we char
And let there be no moaning of the bar
Just sing out a Te Deum
When you see that ICBM
And the party will be come-as-you-are

Oh, we will all burn together when we burn
There'll be no need to stand and wait your turn
When it's time for the fallout
And Saint Peter calls us all out
We'll just drop our agendas and adjourn

You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas
Go directly, do not pass 'GO', do not collect two hundred dollars

And we will all go together when we go
Every Hottentot and every Eskimo
When the air becomes uraneous
We will all go simultaneous
Yes, we all will go together
When we all go together
Yes we all will go together when we go
#
~~ Tom Lehrer
--
^Ï^. My pet rock Gordon just is.
Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
2016-09-16 19:06:06 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
http://youtu.be/xHhNr5jeTIw
Unbelievable shutdown of the media and journalists, or people like me that
posts this stuff to fb.
No freedom of speech under democrats (Oduma or Hitery)
What does freedom of speech have to do with this nutjob?
Apparently you are too retarded to click on a youtube link, wingnut!
Jeanne Douglas
2016-09-17 02:48:23 UTC
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Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Ms Kitty Royal Order of the DoW #6
http://youtu.be/xHhNr5jeTIw
Unbelievable shutdown of the media and journalists, or people like me that
posts this stuff to fb.
No freedom of speech under democrats (Oduma or Hitery)
What does freedom of speech have to do with this nutjob?
Apparently you are too retarded to click on a youtube link, wingnut!
And you're too dumb to understand that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply
to private entities like Huffington.
--
JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream
up a God superior to themselves. Most
Gods have the manners and morals of a
spoiled child.
felix
2016-10-09 23:17:15 UTC
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Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
"Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of
Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and
the New York Times bestselling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus,
Interrupted'. His latest book, 'Forged: Writing in the Name of God --
Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are', is now available
from HarperOne."
--
"everything in Islam originates
from the testimony of one pedophile"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Checkmate, DoW #1
2016-10-10 00:34:19 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@nothere.invalid
says...
Post by felix
Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<...>
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
The Huff Poast is a liberal rag with about as much credibility
as the National Enquirer.
"Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of
Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and
the New York Times bestselling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus,
Interrupted'. His latest book, 'Forged: Writing in the Name of God --
Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are', is now available
from HarperOne."
All religions are based on deception, ignorance, and a desire for
answers to questions that no man can honestly answer. I'll have to read
this one!

I just watched a documentary the other day of a bunch of creationists
brainwashing their children... teaching them to be good little sheep and
never question anything for themselves. It was disgusting.
--
Checkmate, Royal Order of the DoW #1, and Official Ko0K Wrangler
AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore)
Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Vote (Post-Burnore)
Originator of the "Dance for me" (tm) lame
Copyright © 2016
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duke
2016-09-16 22:11:07 UTC
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Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
has fallen, and she can't get up! LOL, etc...
God has perfect timing. . .
How could you *not* believe?
Both Checkmate and Pandora are blinded by their
arrogance. God warned about the dangers of arrogance
for the very reason we see demonstrated in the
attitudes of Checkmate and Pandora towards the
Lord.
They reject the Lord for no other reason than their
arrogance which renders them too proud and haughty
to even READ the Bible and consider the evidence
before they reject it. Nay, they reject it while
being totally ignorant of it.
This is really an abuse of the intelligence God
created them to have and to use. It is inspired
by their false belief that THEY are superior to
any and all.
Sad, so sad. A brain is a terrible thing to waste.
The bible is one big clusterfuck of aimless, unorganized, and
contradictory ramblings, used by everyone to allegedly support whatever
agenda they wish to force on people. The supposed writings of the Big
Four were written long after their deaths. Nobody even knows anything
about most of Jesus' life. There's about twenty years that aren't even
accounted for. This is undoubtedly one of the biggest and longest
running scams in all of recorded history.
So why do you judge a book vicariously? Why not read it
instead of taking the word of other ignorant assayers?
I've read plenty of it, but not all, for the above-stated reasons.
Before someone decides to read the bible, they should read the history
of the bible to put things in the proper context.
So you are admitting that reading a biased secular
debunking of it first is conducive to appreciating it
for what it is - the word of God?
"God" didn't write the bible, Sodomite.
Where did I say God wrote the Bible. I said
the Bible is God's word.
There's a difference, ya know.
The bible is hearsay, mostly written by unknown ghost writers who
claimed that the words they wrote were actually penned by others.
You'll never make a case for that.
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
Here's what the Huffington Post says on that subject, and it's only one
Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone
admits that the Bible might contain errors ? a faulty creation story
here, a historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other
place. But is it possible that the problem is worse than that ? that the
Bible actually contains lies?
Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all,
sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars
of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of
America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they
refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the
New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity,
claiming to be a famous apostle ? Peter, Paul or James ? knowing full
well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a
book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.
Most modern scholars of the Bible shy away from these terms, and for
understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientèle. Teaching
in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate
populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by
calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different
term for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."
You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern
scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the
New Testament, and in seminary courses, and in PhD. seminars. What the
people who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means
"writing that is inscribed with a lie."
And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book
of 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere ? except for our
friends among the fundamentalists ? will tell you that there is no way
on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it
claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an
acceptable practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in
the name of someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look
at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that
they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful
practice, even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into
the New Testament because the church fathers, centuries later, were
convinced that Peter wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that
someone else lied about his identity.
The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most
scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go
under Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely
claimed to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled
as pseudo ? lies.
This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for
people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for
whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it
matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be
Paul. But he was lying about that ? he was someone else living after
Paul had died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and
authority to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were
speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop.
The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his
readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to
exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of
Eden. No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to
have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).
Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded,
by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of
history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never
said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is
still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are
there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed
to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches
today that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is
because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive
and pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but
someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was
Paul.
It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that
some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is
truth more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the
gospel as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in
Jesus"; he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors
(4:24-25); and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth
around your waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He
was not really Paul.
It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors
of 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified
to lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate
their claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They
were creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings,
lies and all.
Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious
Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and the New
York Times bestselling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus,
Interrupted'. His latest book, 'Forged: Writing in the Name of God ? Why
the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are', is now available
from HarperOne.
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
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felix
2016-10-13 08:11:22 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Checkmate, DoW #1
has fallen, and she can't get up! LOL, etc...
God has perfect timing. . .
How could you *not* believe?
Both Checkmate and Pandora are blinded by their
arrogance. God warned about the dangers of arrogance
for the very reason we see demonstrated in the
attitudes of Checkmate and Pandora towards the
Lord.
They reject the Lord for no other reason than their
arrogance which renders them too proud and haughty
to even READ the Bible and consider the evidence
before they reject it. Nay, they reject it while
being totally ignorant of it.
This is really an abuse of the intelligence God
created them to have and to use. It is inspired
by their false belief that THEY are superior to
any and all.
Sad, so sad. A brain is a terrible thing to waste.
The bible is one big clusterfuck of aimless, unorganized, and
contradictory ramblings, used by everyone to allegedly support whatever
agenda they wish to force on people. The supposed writings of the Big
Four were written long after their deaths. Nobody even knows anything
about most of Jesus' life. There's about twenty years that aren't even
accounted for. This is undoubtedly one of the biggest and longest
running scams in all of recorded history.
So why do you judge a book vicariously? Why not read it
instead of taking the word of other ignorant assayers?
I've read plenty of it, but not all, for the above-stated reasons.
Before someone decides to read the bible, they should read the history
of the bible to put things in the proper context.
So you are admitting that reading a biased secular
debunking of it first is conducive to appreciating it
for what it is - the word of God?
"God" didn't write the bible, Sodomite.
Where did I say God wrote the Bible. I said
the Bible is God's word.
There's a difference, ya know.
The bible is hearsay, mostly written by unknown ghost writers who
claimed that the words they wrote were actually penned by others.
You'll never make a case for that.
you'll never never make a case that Jesus ever said anything attributed
to him, because nothing in the bible is written by him. all you have is
testimony of dubious origin
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Here's what the Huffington Post says on that subject, and it's only one
Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone
admits that the Bible might contain errors ? a faulty creation story
here, a historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other
place. But is it possible that the problem is worse than that ? that the
Bible actually contains lies?
Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all,
sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars
of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of
America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they
refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the
New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity,
claiming to be a famous apostle ? Peter, Paul or James ? knowing full
well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a
book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.
Most modern scholars of the Bible shy away from these terms, and for
understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientèle. Teaching
in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate
populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by
calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different
term for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."
You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern
scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the
New Testament, and in seminary courses, and in PhD. seminars. What the
people who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means
"writing that is inscribed with a lie."
And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book
of 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere ? except for our
friends among the fundamentalists ? will tell you that there is no way
on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it
claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an
acceptable practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in
the name of someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look
at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that
they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful
practice, even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into
the New Testament because the church fathers, centuries later, were
convinced that Peter wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that
someone else lied about his identity.
The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most
scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go
under Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely
claimed to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled
as pseudo ? lies.
This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for
people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for
whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it
matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be
Paul. But he was lying about that ? he was someone else living after
Paul had died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and
authority to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were
speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop.
The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his
readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to
exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of
Eden. No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to
have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).
Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded,
by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of
history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never
said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is
still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are
there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed
to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches
today that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is
because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive
and pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but
someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was
Paul.
It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that
some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is
truth more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the
gospel as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in
Jesus"; he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors
(4:24-25); and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth
around your waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He
was not really Paul.
It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors
of 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified
to lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate
their claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They
were creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings,
lies and all.
Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious
Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and the New
York Times bestselling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus,
Interrupted'. His latest book, 'Forged: Writing in the Name of God ? Why
the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are', is now available
from HarperOne.
SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-
lies-to_b_840301.html
IOW, you've been duped, and biblical scholars have known this from the
beginning.
the dukester, American-American
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