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OT? When was Britain created...
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Spains Harden
2019-11-21 20:06:39 UTC
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I know when and where England was created:

"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."

<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>

When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Paul Wolff
2019-11-21 22:52:41 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Probably when some tabloid journo decided that 'Brit' was a worthwhile
alternative to 'Briton'. God knows why.

Our schoolbooks were comfortable with 'Ancient Britons' for some time
before that, but I'm not old enough to know when they began with that
phrase.

'Rule Britannia' has 'Britons never never never shall be slaves', and if
you remember, that was written in or just after the annus mirabilis of,
er, 1748, give or take a couple of years.

'North Britain' as a euphemism for, or a delicate avoidance of,
Scotland, followed quite quickly after the Act of Union. That would have
lent support to 'Briton' when the English and the Scots were not to be
set in opposition, for political reasons.

But cutting to the chase: do we even today think of ourselves as Britons
or 'Brits', in any fundamental way? I don't. I yam what I yam, as Popeye
said, and that's in many respects both more and less than a native of
lands within the borders of England. I start with my ethnic family,
which spills over much of Europe before it ever reaches Carlisle.
--
Paul
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-22 07:42:24 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, at 12:06:39, Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Probably when some tabloid journo decided that 'Brit' was a worthwhile
alternative to 'Briton'. God knows why.
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Our schoolbooks were comfortable with 'Ancient Britons' for some time
before that, but I'm not old enough to know when they began with that
phrase.
'Rule Britannia' has 'Britons never never never shall be slaves', and
if you remember, that was written in or just after the annus mirabilis
of, er, 1748, give or take a couple of years.
'North Britain' as a euphemism for, or a delicate avoidance of,
Scotland, followed quite quickly after the Act of Union. That would
have lent support to 'Briton' when the English and the Scots were not
to be set in opposition, for political reasons.
But cutting to the chase: do we even today think of ourselves as
Britons or 'Brits', in any fundamental way? I don't.
Nor do I, except in a legal sense. I think of myself as English (or
mixed English-Irish).
I yam what I yam, as Popeye said, and that's in many respects both
more and less than a native of lands within the borders of England. I
start with my ethnic family, which spills over much of Europe before it
ever reaches Carlisle.
--
athel
phil
2019-11-22 08:48:53 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, at 12:06:39, Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Probably when some tabloid journo decided that 'Brit' was a worthwhile
alternative to 'Briton'. God knows why.
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't remember).
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-22 09:11:44 UTC
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Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, at 12:06:39, Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Probably when some tabloid journo decided that 'Brit' was a worthwhile
alternative to 'Briton'. God knows why.
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't
remember).
I think that that is quite likely, though when I first heard it it
wasn't derogatory.
--
athel
Kerr-Mudd,John
2019-11-23 12:31:04 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:11:44 GMT, Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, at 12:06:39, Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the
following
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Spains Harden
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Probably when some tabloid journo decided that 'Brit' was a
worthwhile
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
alternative to 'Briton'. God knows why.
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't remember).
I think that that is quite likely, though when I first heard it it
wasn't derogatory.
The Irish (I generalise) do not like it that their's is a British Isle.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Peter Moylan
2019-11-24 00:39:19 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
The Irish (I generalise) do not like it that their's is a British Isle.
A dislike that is misdirected, in my opinion. The Irish have historical
reasons for disliking the Anglo-Saxons and (expecially) the
Anglo-Normans, but to the best of my knowledge there never was much
enmity between the Irish and the Britons.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Kerr-Mudd,John
2019-11-24 09:47:53 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:39:19 GMT, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
The Irish (I generalise) do not like it that their's is a British Isle.
A dislike that is misdirected, in my opinion. The Irish have historical
reasons for disliking the Anglo-Saxons and (expecially) the
Anglo-Normans, but to the best of my knowledge there never was much
enmity between the Irish and the Britons.
Ah; that'll be before your time; the Viking-Irish did a bit of piracy;
(see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick
for example).

And there was Previous in Antrim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_Riata
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Peter Moylan
2019-11-24 11:19:07 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:39:19 GMT, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
The Irish (I generalise) do not like it that their's is a
British Isle.
A dislike that is misdirected, in my opinion. The Irish have
historical reasons for disliking the Anglo-Saxons and (expecially)
the Anglo-Normans, but to the best of my knowledge there never was
much enmity between the Irish and the Britons.
Ah; that'll be before your time; the Viking-Irish did a bit of
piracy; (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick for
example).
Still, there's uncertainty over where Patrick came from. The Irish like
to pretend that he was native to Ireland. That was clearly not true, but
he could have come from either west Britain or Scotland. But in any case
that was well before the English were an identifiable group, as far as I
know.

I'm surprised by the pronunciation of his name on that Wikipedia page.
The only Pádraigs I have known pronounced it Porrick.
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_Riata
Not sure what you mean there. Yes, there was political unity between
northern Ireland and western Scotland, but the important "foreign"
interactions of the Dal Riada were with the Picts in Scotland.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter Young
2019-11-24 15:40:50 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:39:19 GMT, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
The Irish (I generalise) do not like it that their's is a
British Isle.
A dislike that is misdirected, in my opinion. The Irish have
historical reasons for disliking the Anglo-Saxons and (expecially)
the Anglo-Normans, but to the best of my knowledge there never was
much enmity between the Irish and the Britons.
Ah; that'll be before your time; the Viking-Irish did a bit of
piracy; (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick for
example).
Still, there's uncertainty over where Patrick came from. The Irish like
to pretend that he was native to Ireland. That was clearly not true, but
he could have come from either west Britain or Scotland. But in any case
that was well before the English were an identifiable group, as far as I
know.
One widespread tradition is that he set off to Ireland from Whitesands Bay
in Pembrokeshire, West Wales, probably having ben sold as a slave.


Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Hg)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Kerr-Mudd,John
2019-11-24 16:12:59 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:19:07 GMT, Peter Moylan
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_Riata
Not sure what you mean there. Yes, there was political unity between
northern Ireland and western Scotland, but the important "foreign"
interactions of the Dal Riada were with the Picts in Scotland.
Well, it wasn't a particualarly united Ireland, even back then.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
soup
2019-11-22 11:35:46 UTC
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Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't remember).
My brother was in the Army based in NI in the mid to late 70s he was
called a 'Brit' , mainly in/as a derogatory term . Protestants tended
to call him a soldier but the Catholics tended to refer to him as a 'Brit' .
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-22 12:31:11 UTC
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Post by soup
Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't remember).
My brother was in the Army based in NI in the mid to late 70s he was
called a 'Brit' , mainly in/as a derogatory term . Protestants tended
to call him a soldier but the Catholics tended to refer to him as a 'Brit' .
Maybe he met my brother-in-law, who was in the KSLI in the same period.
--
athel
soup
2019-11-23 09:14:03 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by soup
Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard
"Brit" in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that
time. It was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves
Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't remember).
My brother was in the Army based in NI in the mid to late 70s he was
called a 'Brit' , mainly in/as a derogatory term .  Protestants tended
to call him a soldier but the Catholics tended to refer to him as a 'Brit' .
Maybe he met my brother-in-law, who was in the KSLI in the same period.
He was sigs . Posted there (two years) not 'just' a tour (six months?).
He was telling me that a couple of times he had to do a bank run.
They went in civies but with pistols under their legs in pool cars
which were remarkable only in how unremarkable they were and these cars
were changed often to avoid anyone remembering them (all very S.F. [but
he was only signals]).

This is him looking all warry and shi^h^h tuff.
(front centre(ish) squatting)

https://postimg.cc/Yvz0w3PY


They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
Tony Cooper
2019-11-23 15:14:46 UTC
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Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Mack A. Damia
2019-11-23 17:10:29 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:14:46 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
Do you do your own developing? How about film? Isn't it all rather
expensive now?

When I was in Vietnam, electronics and cameras were always available
at the base exchange at discount prices. The most popular camera was
the SLR - "Nikon F". I didn't get one. I was more interested in
electronics.
charles
2019-11-23 17:31:52 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:14:46 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
Do you do your own developing? How about film? Isn't it all rather
expensive now?
you can get digital SLRs
Post by Mack A. Damia
When I was in Vietnam, electronics and cameras were always available
at the base exchange at discount prices. The most popular camera was
the SLR - "Nikon F". I didn't get one. I was more interested in
electronics.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Mack A. Damia
2019-11-23 18:44:35 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:31:52 +0000 (GMT), charles
Post by charles
Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:14:46 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
Do you do your own developing? How about film? Isn't it all rather
expensive now?
you can get digital SLRs
I should have realized that, but I have never really been into
photography.

I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
Post by charles
Post by Mack A. Damia
When I was in Vietnam, electronics and cameras were always available
at the base exchange at discount prices. The most popular camera was
the SLR - "Nikon F". I didn't get one. I was more interested in
electronics.
Quinn C
2019-11-25 17:27:44 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
--
The country has its quota of fools and windbags; such people are
most prominent in politics, where their inherent weaknesses seem
less glaring and attract less ridicule than they would in other
walks of life. -- Robert Bothwell et.al.: Canada since 1945
Peter Young
2019-11-25 19:59:56 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?

Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Hg)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Peter T. Daniels
2019-11-25 20:39:47 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Spains Harden
2019-11-25 21:22:13 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
Paul Wolff
2019-11-25 23:25:15 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
--
Paul
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-25 23:40:16 UTC
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On 25/11/2019 23:25, Paul Wolff wrote:

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Post by Paul Wolff
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
Presumably they have yet to be Petrified.
--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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Katy Jennison
2019-11-26 02:42:17 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
--
Katy Jennison
Mack A. Damia
2019-11-26 03:06:36 UTC
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:42:17 +0000, Katy Jennison
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
It's the stain, Pierre, it glows!
Mack A. Damia
2019-11-26 16:55:00 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:06:36 -0800, Mack A. Damia
Post by Mack A. Damia
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:42:17 +0000, Katy Jennison
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
It's the stain, Pierre, it glows!
You think I'm kidding, don't you?

https://ibb.co/92Dszdc
b***@shaw.ca
2019-11-26 04:37:55 UTC
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Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
It's just a passing phage.

bill
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-26 05:13:51 UTC
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Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
It's just a passing phage.
Two for tea, and T4 too.
--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
Janet
2019-11-26 15:22:55 UTC
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In article <qri3ea$fod$***@news.albasani.net>, ***@spamtrap.kjennison.com
says...
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
ISTR I once grew a camel in a petri dish.

Janet.
Paul Wolff
2019-11-26 21:09:44 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Paul Wolff
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me
and
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/
uncultured.
I'm agarst.
ISTR I once grew a camel in a petri dish.
The only connection that springs to mind here is Sir Flinders Petrie,
Egyptologist. By the standards of his day, a gentleman wouldn't have
found a camel dishy, no matter how far up the Nile he was.
--
Paul
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-26 06:42:34 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, at 13:22:13, Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
It seems that not everyone has heard of Petri dishes. They're /so/ uncultured.
If you don't like the dishes you can always try a net.
--
athel
Peter T. Daniels
2019-11-26 13:25:24 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Odd question. "Dishy" would in BrE have been said of attractive
potential partners - the synonyms would be "attractive", "good
looking". Maybe a bit too sixty-ish.
Evidently a non-viewer of *Keeping Up Appearances*.

(But seriously, folks, I've never encountered it anywhere else.)
Peter Moylan
2019-11-26 03:02:59 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.

Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Tony Cooper
2019-11-26 05:39:05 UTC
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:02:59 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Haven't you twigged to why the poster thinks it's vicars that are
dishy?

The Vicar in "Keeping up Appearances" is the dishy Michael. That line
is used by the promiscuous sister: "Rose, on the other hand, is
attracted to Michael, referring to him as 'Hyacinth's dishy vicar.'."

I did not know this, but knowing the KuA is the source of all
knowledge of things British to the poster, I did a little web
searching and came up with:

https://keepingupappearances.fandom.com/wiki/Vicar
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Peter Moylan
2019-11-26 06:22:22 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:02:59 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of
taste she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes
vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Haven't you twigged to why the poster thinks it's vicars that are
dishy?
The Vicar in "Keeping up Appearances" is the dishy Michael. That
line is used by the promiscuous sister: "Rose, on the other hand,
is attracted to Michael, referring to him as 'Hyacinth's dishy
vicar.'."
I did not know this, but knowing the KuA is the source of all
knowledge of things British to the poster, I did a little web
https://keepingupappearances.fandom.com/wiki/Vicar
Thank you. That show is so far in the past that I'd forgotten the dishy
vicar. But then I suppose the Vicar of Dibley is that old too.

There was a young lady of Crewe ...
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter T. Daniels
2019-11-26 13:27:17 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
The Vicar in "Keeping up Appearances"
I did not know this, but knowing the KuA
OMG, can't tell the difference between a preposition and a particle?
Janet
2019-11-26 15:25:56 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, tonycooper214
@invalid.com says...
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:02:59 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Haven't you twigged to why the poster thinks it's vicars that are
dishy?
The Vicar in "Keeping up Appearances" is the dishy Michael. That line
is used by the promiscuous sister: "Rose, on the other hand, is
attracted to Michael, referring to him as 'Hyacinth's dishy vicar.'."
I did not know this, but knowing the KuA is the source of all
knowledge of things British to the poster, I did a little web
https://keepingupappearances.fandom.com/wiki/Vicar
For a really dishy vicar, watch Fleabag.

Janet
Peter Young
2019-11-26 15:28:57 UTC
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Post by Janet
@invalid.com says...
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:02:59 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Haven't you twigged to why the poster thinks it's vicars that are
dishy?
The Vicar in "Keeping up Appearances" is the dishy Michael. That line
is used by the promiscuous sister: "Rose, on the other hand, is
attracted to Michael, referring to him as 'Hyacinth's dishy vicar.'."
I did not know this, but knowing the KuA is the source of all
knowledge of things British to the poster, I did a little web
https://keepingupappearances.fandom.com/wiki/Vicar
For a really dishy vicar, watch Fleabag.
For a really dishy woman, watch Fleabag.

Peter.

[snip]
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Hg)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
soup
2019-11-26 07:47:54 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
She could also be described as dead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Quinn C
2019-11-26 22:23:50 UTC
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Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
--
I don't see people ... as having a right to be idiots. It's
just impractical to try to stop them, unless they're hurting
somebody. -- Vicereine Cordelia
in L. McMaster Bujold, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen
Spains Harden
2019-11-27 14:08:34 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
the Vicar of Dibley:


Richard Heathfield
2019-11-27 14:20:51 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
I'd assumed you were linking to the three nuns at the Pearly Gates...
but no, you're right; this one is even better.
--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
Quinn C
2019-11-27 17:09:20 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
I'd assumed you were linking to the three nuns at the Pearly Gates...
but no, you're right; this one is even better.
I still like the one about I Can't Believe It's Not Butter best, but
there is the fact that I wasn't familiar with "let down" for "letting
the air out of", which made the inflatable boy joke fall flat.
--
- It's the title search for the Rachel property.
Guess who owns it?
- Tell me it's not that bastard Donald Trump.
-- Gilmore Girls, S02E08 (2001)
Kerr-Mudd,John
2019-11-27 17:14:48 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an
option when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system
body, but the company would have been gone by that time. I see
now that the rangefinder models were their more famous
products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of
taste she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes
vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't
reassuring in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
I'd assumed you were linking to the three nuns at the Pearly Gates...
but no, you're right; this one is even better.
I'd have gone for the not-butter one:
http://youtu.be/IPsSzLnXJkg

ya can't beat a bit of butter on yer batter. Followed by a Bitburger
maybe. "Bitte ein Bit"
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Jerry Friedman
2019-11-27 16:51:35 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
Somehow that doesn't work well for my American ears. But I got
to one about "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" through the BBC
link, and I laughed.

http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
--
Jerry Friedman
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-27 17:06:50 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
Somehow that doesn't work well for my American ears. But I got
to one about "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" through the BBC
link, and I laughed.
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
That's the same link that Mr Harden posted (above). ITYM:


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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-27 17:55:17 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Spains Harden
Post by Quinn C
Post by soup
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when I had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but
the company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Is "dishy" said of anyone but vicars?
Are you perhaps thinking of the Vicar of Dishy? By my standards of taste
she doesn't seem to be much of a dish, but I suppose tastes vary.
Her sidekick could be described as dizzy.
Ditzy? Dizzying?
Post by soup
She could also be described as dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43183354
Sheesh, she was my age. "... died from natural causes" isn't reassuring
in that context.
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
Somehow that doesn't work well for my American ears. But I got
to one about "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" through the BBC
link, and I laughed.
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
That's the same link that Mr Harden
I don't believe that his name is any more likely to be 'Arden than it
is to be 'Ill. I don't have all that much confidence in Spains and
'Arrison as given names either.
Post by Richard Heathfield
http://youtu.be/IPsSzLnXJkg
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athel
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-27 18:24:05 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Spains Harden
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
That's the same link that Mr Harden
I don't believe that his name is any more likely to be 'Arden than it is
to be 'Ill.
I wouldn't know, but people do use pseudonyms on Usenet sometimes,
including some people I admire and respect, so I'm not going to jump up
and down too excitedly at the idea that someone might be using a false
name, just as long as he's not flying under false colours (i.e.
impersonating another poster).

I've been away for a while, so I'm not yet back up to speed on which
nicks are sock puppets for notorious asses. If "Mr Harden" is such a
one, it won't be long before he ends up in my killfile.
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Jerry Friedman
2019-11-27 21:52:55 UTC
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[Emma Chambers]
Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Spains Harden
She's left behind one of the funniest short excerpts ever. Link to
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
Somehow that doesn't work well for my American ears. But I got
to one about "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" through the BBC
link, and I laughed.
http://youtu.be/0lhdeC-yYMI
http://youtu.be/IPsSzLnXJkg
Ta (whatever that means).
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Jerry Friedman
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-27 21:58:43 UTC
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On 27/11/2019 21:52, Jerry Friedman wrote:

<snip>
Post by Jerry Friedman
Ta
You're welcome.
Post by Jerry Friedman
(whatever that means).
It means "Ta".

(Presumably.)
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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-26 06:40:36 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966. It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a cheaper
single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had
a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job. However, I decided to
go for a Canon.
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athel
Sam Plusnet
2019-11-26 19:26:34 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a cheaper
single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had
a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job. However, I decided to
go for a Canon.
Canon? We're almost back to dishy vicars.
--
Sam Plusnet
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-26 19:48:07 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a
cheaper single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and
Asahi. It had a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job.
However, I decided to go for a Canon.
Canon?  We're almost back to dishy vicars.
You're looking through your vicar-tinted lenses again. Please try to
focus, or we'll have to shutter you down.

In other words, just f......-stop!
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Ken Blake
2019-11-26 22:12:01 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a
cheaper single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and
Asahi. It had a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job.
However, I decided to go for a Canon.
Canon?  We're almost back to dishy vicars.
You're looking through your vicar-tinted lenses again. Please try to
focus, or we'll have to shutter you down.
In other words, just f......-stop!
<applause>
--
Ken
b***@shaw.ca
2019-11-26 20:25:47 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at the
Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed on me and
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired, but it
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the company
would have been gone by that time. I see now that the rangefinder
models were their more famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a cheaper
single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had
a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job. However, I decided to
go for a Canon.
Canon? We're almost back to dishy vicars.
This thread has provided me with some vicarious fun.

bill
Kerr-Mudd,John
2019-11-27 09:26:57 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at
the Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed
on m
e and
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when
I
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a cheaper
single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had
a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job. However, I decided to
go for a Canon.
Canon? We're almost back to dishy vicars.
This thread has provided me with some vicarious fun.
bill
d iocese what you did there.
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Katy Jennison
2019-11-27 13:25:27 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at
the Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed
on m
e and
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when
I
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a cheaper
single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had
a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job. However, I decided to
go for a Canon.
Canon? We're almost back to dishy vicars.
This thread has provided me with some vicarious fun.
d iocese what you did there.
An ex cathedra ponouncement, clearly.
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Richard Heathfield
2019-11-27 13:39:15 UTC
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Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic training at
the Lackland Air Force Base exchange in July, 1966.  It jammed
on m
e and
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
went bust as soon as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be repaired,
but it
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
Post by Mack A. Damia
lasted me for twenty-two years.
The name "Petri" sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option
when
  I
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Quinn C
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body, but the
company would have been gone by that time. I see now that the
rangefinder models were their more famous products, especially
the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s as a cheaper
single-lens reflex than the offerings of Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had
a very clunky look but I suppose it did the job. However, I decided to
go for a Canon.
Canon?  We're almost back to dishy vicars.
This thread has provided me with some vicarious fun.
d iocese what you did there.
An ex cathedra ponouncement, clearly.
"Ponouncement"? Is that what holds the bricks together in the loo?
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CDB
2019-11-27 16:14:35 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic
training at the Lackland Air Force Base exchange in
July, 1966. It jammed on me and went bust as soon
as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on
Eleuthera Island, Bahamas, in 1988. It could not be
repaired,
but it lasted me for twenty-two years The name "Petri"
sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I
had to replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body,
but the company would have been gone by that time. I
see now that the rangefinder models were their more
famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s
as a cheaper single-lens reflex than the offerings of
Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had a very clunky look but I
suppose it did the job. However, I decided to go for a
Canon.
Canon? We're almost back to dishy vicars.
This thread has provided me with some vicarious fun.
d iocese what you did there.
An ex cathedra ponouncement, clearly.
"Ponouncement"? Is that what holds the bricks together in the loo?
A typo merely. I feel sure Katy meant to write "punouncement".
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-27 16:24:55 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by Peter Young
Post by Mack A. Damia
I bought a 2.8 35mm Petri Rangefinder during basic
training at the Lackland Air Force Base exchange in
July, 1966.  It jammed on me and went bust as soon
as I took a photo in a very old graveyard on Eleuthera Island,
Bahamas, in 1988.  It could not be
repaired,
but it lasted me for twenty-two years The name "Petri"
sounded familiar. Probably came up as an option when I had to
replace an (East-German-made) M42-system body,
but the company would have been gone by that time. I
see now that the rangefinder models were their more
famous products, especially the "Petri 7".
Are these Petri products dishy?
Not really! I was tempted by a Petriflex back in the 1960s
as a cheaper single-lens reflex than the offerings of
Canon, Nikon and Asahi. It had a very clunky look but I
suppose it did the job. However, I decided to go for a
Canon.
Canon?  We're almost back to dishy vicars.
This thread has provided me with some vicarious fun.
d iocese what you did there.
An ex cathedra ponouncement, clearly.
"Ponouncement"? Is that what holds the bricks together in the loo?
A typo merely.  I feel sure Katy meant to write "punouncement".
Ah, of course; that does make a lot more sense. I always wondered how
much they weigh.
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Tony Cooper
2019-11-23 19:24:12 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:10:29 -0800, Mack A. Damia
Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:14:46 -0500, Tony Cooper
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
Do you do your own developing? How about film? Isn't it all rather
expensive now?
No, I use a digital SLR. The term "single lens reflex" refers to the
prism and mirror system that allows the user of the camera to see in
the viewfinder the same view that the lens sees. It doesn't have
anything to do with what medium the image is captured on.

I did, of course, start out as a film user with a rangefinder camera.
I then acquired a SLR camera that used film. Then, to digital SLRs.

I never developed my own film.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Ken Blake
2019-11-23 17:38:32 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am
sure he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
I've owned several single lens reflex cameras over the years. My
favorite was a 4x5 Graflex. It's long gone.
--
Ken
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-23 18:02:49 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by soup
They had all been larking about and one of the chaps had said "c'mon be
serious" so the chap behind bro put that face on .
This may well have been his second time there (early 80s ?) it was all
so long ago I can barely remember.
Almost certainly not his first time there as they have SA80s I am sure
he used to talk of having an SLR
To me, a "SLR" is a "single lens reflex" camera. I do shoot with
mine, but the stopping power is limited to "f"s.
I've owned several single lens reflex cameras over the years. My
favorite was a 4x5 Graflex. It's long gone.
I had a Canon AT-1 once. I loved it. I may still have it around somewhere.
--
athel
Sam Plusnet
2019-11-23 17:57:58 UTC
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Post by soup
This is him looking all warry and shi^h^h tuff.
(front centre(ish) squatting)
https://postimg.cc/Yvz0w3PY
That link throws my Internet Security app into a tizzy.
--
Sam Plusnet
Jerry Friedman
2019-11-22 13:23:40 UTC
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Post by phil
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, at 12:06:39, Spains Harden
Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Probably when some tabloid journo decided that 'Brit' was a worthwhile
alternative to 'Briton'. God knows why.
I'm not sure what year your "when" refers to, but I first heard "Brit"
in Toronto in 1961, so it probably existed in Canada at that time. It
was only much later that I heard Brits calling themselves Brits.
Was it a derogatory term there? I first heard it in BBC news items in
the late 1960s or early 1970s as a term used by Irish republicans to
describe the British (possibly specific to the troops, I can't remember).
The OED remarks, "Only occasionally found before the second half of the
20th cent.; in early use not a self-designation." The first citation is
from the /Galveston News in/ 1884. The second may be of interest:

"1904 D. B. W. Sladen /Playing Game/ i. v 'Imperial Government! I
call that too damned funny! Do you mean the Japs?' 'That word is most
offensive to them. How would we like to be called Brits?'
--
Jerry Friedman
Jerry Friedman
2019-11-22 01:22:22 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Eymonlines says under "Briton", "In Middle English it was exclusively in
historical use, or in reference to the inhabitants of Brittany (see
Breton); it was revived when James I was proclaimed King of Great
Britain in 1604, and made official at the union of England and Scotland
in 1707." Likewise under "British", "Meaning 'of or pertaining to
Great Britain' is from c. 1600".
--
Jerry Friedman
Richard Heathfield
2019-11-22 10:19:27 UTC
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On 21/11/2019 20:06, Spains Harden wrote:

<snip>
Post by Spains Harden
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Not all of us do.
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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-22 12:34:14 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>
Post by Spains Harden
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Not all of us do.
Yes, but I wouldn't expect you to share 'Arrison's opinions.
--
athel
Dingbat
2019-11-23 09:27:36 UTC
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Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
There is some contradiction between these two accounts:

Pytheas of Massalia referred to 'Pretannia',
later latinized as Britanni, the Roman name for the Celtic Britons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruthin

According to Strabo, Pytheas referred to Britain as Bretannikē,
which is treated a feminine noun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2019-11-23 09:50:12 UTC
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Post by Dingbat
Post by Spains Harden
"More than 1000 years ago, Kingston was the place where England
began. Before All Saints Church was built, its site was an
important estate of the West Saxon Kings and host to Royal
coronations. The Saxon King Egbert held his Great Council of 838 AD
‘in that famous place called Cyningestun’ and over the following
centuries as many as eight Saxon kings were consecrated here.
The most well-known of these Saxon kings was Athelstan, the first
ruler who could truly be considered the King of England. After
being crowned in Kingston in 925 AD Athelstan defeated the Scots
and Vikings, unifying regional kingdoms into one nation."
<https://www.allsaintskingston.co.uk/heritage/where-england-began>
When did we first think of ourselves instead as Brits?
Pytheas of Massalia referred to 'Pretannia',
later latinized as Britanni, the Roman name for the Celtic Britons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruthin
According to Strabo, Pytheas referred to Britain as Bretannikē,
which is treated a feminine noun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas
That can hardly be the first time you've come across slightly different
versions of the same information.

Massalia is Marseilles, incidentally, so the first known
circumnavigation of the British Isles was done by someone from here.
--
athel
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