Vicky Ayech
2020-09-10 05:37:33 UTC
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Discussion:
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krw
2020-09-10 08:14:36 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Vicky Ayech
2020-09-10 08:54:57 UTC
Post by krw
Apparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. MostPost by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
krw
2020-09-10 09:11:08 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
It would be nice if the scientists actually agreed with one another butPost by krw
Apparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. MostPost by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
there is money to be made from seeing things differently.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
BrritSki
2020-09-10 09:38:19 UTC
Post by krw
there is money to be made from seeing things differently.
<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/202001/how-create-scientific-myths-without-really-trying>Post by Vicky Ayech
Apparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. Most
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
It would be nice if the scientists actually agreed with one another butPost by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
there is money to be made from seeing things differently.
explains a lot.
Vicky Ayech
2020-09-10 12:53:31 UTC
Post by krw
there is money to be made from seeing things differently.
Gransnet is now getting antsi! Beware the grans!Post by Vicky Ayech
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
It would be nice if the scientists actually agreed with one another butPost by krw
Apparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. MostPost by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
there is money to be made from seeing things differently.
https://www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1284390-The-new-rules-for-coronavirus-how-will-it-affect-your-family?pg=3
BrritSki
2020-09-10 09:36:40 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
Not me.Post by krw
Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Post by Vicky Ayech
Apparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. Most
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
Well you can add me to the list of contacts that think the latest dataApparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. Most
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
is not much to be worried about and that the Rule of 6 is ridiculous.
Both our children have 3 of their own so that means we can never visit
together. But I could go round to BrratSki's this evening when they're
all at home, stay for an hour and then waife go in as I leave. What
difference can this possibly make, esp. since we have been meeting them
regularly, going on holiday together etc, since the initial lockdown was
eased ? At least that made sense in that only 2 households could meet.
Now we can have multiple houses meeting - up to 6 if there's only 1
each, weddings can go ahead, pubs and restaurants stay open, crowds can
start going to sporting events again (albeit limited) and people are
being encouraged to go to work and commute. It just does not make sense
and I can see it being widely flouted, in private if not in public.
As for the data - apart from there being many more tests of the
asymptomatic [1], the test is far too sensitive. I read yesterday that
it takes 40 iterations of the PCR process to detect the virus and a
respected virologist says that anything over 35 iterations is crazy and
she would set the level at 30. This would reduce the number of cases by
2 or 3 magnitudes. In the UK that would mean we'd go from 3,000/day to
30, or even 3.
Look at the data in France - it started to climb rapidly with more than
2,000 cases/day since about a month ago. Yest there is no detectable
increase in deaths at all.
[1] What if the ratio of asymptomatic younger people to seriously ill
olduns has not changed since the start of the pandemic ? We'd never
know because the testing was not done at the time.
Steve Hague
2020-09-10 09:42:09 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while, andPost by krw
Apparently stsuff that goes up on you tube gets deleted quickly. MostPost by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
Well quite. And who is making a fuss?https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
of us don't kn ow much about looking at original data and
understanding how it applies. We depend on the media to interpret it.
What expertise do they employ and what reasons do they have for how
they present it? There is a lot of similar data to that in the
article. Most I have seen is in that source.
But more or less every single one of my friends and contacts are
vehement in support of the interpretation that there is a very bad
virus killing many and we must listen to the government and obey the
various directions and they are angry at those who don't obey and
don't agree with the media and government interpretation of the data.
she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas. That means
that not only was it known about then, but the means to test for it were
available.
Steve
Clive Arthur
2020-09-10 19:13:35 UTC
On 10/09/2020 10:42, Steve Hague wrote:
<snip>
<snip>
Post by Steve Hague
I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while, and
she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas. That means
that not only was it known about then, but the means to test for it were
available.
Steve
Stone the crows! Not sure what William of Ockham would think.I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while, and
she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas. That means
that not only was it known about then, but the means to test for it were
available.
Steve
--
Cheers
Clive
Cheers
Clive
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-09-11 01:45:40 UTC
Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>
"Hmm, I need a shave"?<snip>
Post by Steve Hague
I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while,
and she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas.
That means that not only was it known about then, but the means to
test for it were available.
Steve
Stone the crows! Not sure what William of Ockham would think.I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while,
and she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas.
That means that not only was it known about then, but the means to
test for it were available.
Steve
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
<This space unintentionally left blank>.
Mike
2020-09-11 07:53:20 UTC
Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>
Might he razor laugh?<snip>
Post by Steve Hague
I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while, and
she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas. That means
that not only was it known about then, but the means to test for it were
available.
Steve
Stone the crows! Not sure what William of Ockham would think.I was talking to a friend yesterday who I haven't seen for a while, and
she told me she tested positive for corvid-19 last Christmas. That means
that not only was it known about then, but the means to test for it were
available.
Steve
--
Toodle Pip
Toodle Pip
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-09-10 12:06:43 UTC
[Characters in subject line that upset e-s changed.]
limit civil liberties (for want of a better term): police powers, these
"martials" that haven't been mentioned before; I find the article at
best untrustworthy:
It contains the sentence 'The “danger” – such as it ever was –
is over.' The "such as it ever was", presented not far below a graph
showing a peak of 22,000 deaths a week at a time of year when the past
five years was under 12,000 and averaged about 10,000, suggests the
writer has as much an agenda as s/he (I can't see a name) is suggesting
the government is.
We do need people to rigorously challenge the creeping loss of freedoms.
But I don't want this person leading that charge.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one.
(George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".)
Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covi
d19-and-has-been-for-months/
While I share that article's writer's unease about secret intentions tohttps://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covi
d19-and-has-been-for-months/
limit civil liberties (for want of a better term): police powers, these
"martials" that haven't been mentioned before; I find the article at
best untrustworthy:
It contains the sentence 'The “danger” – such as it ever was –
is over.' The "such as it ever was", presented not far below a graph
showing a peak of 22,000 deaths a week at a time of year when the past
five years was under 12,000 and averaged about 10,000, suggests the
writer has as much an agenda as s/he (I can't see a name) is suggesting
the government is.
We do need people to rigorously challenge the creeping loss of freedoms.
But I don't want this person leading that charge.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one.
(George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's
difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only
my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it
this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's
difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only
my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it
this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011
krw
2020-09-10 12:29:44 UTC
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[Characters in subject line that upset e-s changed.]
limit civil liberties (for want of a better term): police powers, these
"martials" that haven't been mentioned before; I find the article at
It contains the sentence 'The “danger” – such as it ever was – is over.'
The "such as it ever was", presented not far below a graph showing a
peak of 22,000 deaths a week at a time of year when the past five years
was under 12,000 and averaged about 10,000, suggests the writer has as
much an agenda as s/he (I can't see a name) is suggesting the government
is.
We do need people to rigorously challenge the creeping loss of freedoms.
But I don't want this person leading that charge.
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's[Characters in subject line that upset e-s changed.]
Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covi
d19-and-has-been-for-months/
While I share that article's writer's unease about secret intentions tohttps://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covi
d19-and-has-been-for-months/
limit civil liberties (for want of a better term): police powers, these
"martials" that haven't been mentioned before; I find the article at
It contains the sentence 'The “danger” – such as it ever was – is over.'
The "such as it ever was", presented not far below a graph showing a
peak of 22,000 deaths a week at a time of year when the past five years
was under 12,000 and averaged about 10,000, suggests the writer has as
much an agenda as s/he (I can't see a name) is suggesting the government
is.
We do need people to rigorously challenge the creeping loss of freedoms.
But I don't want this person leading that charge.
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Sid Nuncius
2020-09-10 14:40:53 UTC
Post by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Vicky Ayech
2020-09-10 17:01:23 UTC
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
Post by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
With family history, I am seeing similarities though. The ways ofPost by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
Sid Nuncius
2020-09-10 17:41:30 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
It makes me uneasy, too. British governments of all stripes have doneOn Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
Post by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
With family history, I am seeing similarities though. The ways ofPost by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
it for many, many years and I don't like it one bit. I just don't think
what has gone on here and now bears any comparison to the Nazis, I
really don't. IMO, such a comparison is an insult and it seriously
weakens an important argument.
Right, I've said my bit. I'll shut up now.
--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-09-10 20:55:03 UTC
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 18:41:30, Sid Nuncius
my mother's first husband's family was one that fled that lot; though I
have no direct connection, I through my mother have some fondness for
Yiddishe culture.)
reserve judgement until I read more about how they're to be recruited,
trained, and empowered, but at the moment I'm more than a bit concerned
about the brownmarshals.
over-worrying at the moment. On the other hand, didn't that party gain
power via similar gradual steps ... but I hope I'm wrong. Let's see.
I hope we've not lost you Sid - we need your input.
Post by Sid Nuncius
Not at all. I respect those affected by that particular holocaust. (FWIWPost by Vicky Ayech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
Post by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
Post by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
my mother's first husband's family was one that fled that lot; though I
have no direct connection, I through my mother have some fondness for
Yiddishe culture.)
Post by Sid Nuncius
Me too.Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sid Nuncius
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
With family history, I am seeing similarities though. The ways ofsort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
Post by Sid Nuncius
Definitely. And to non-police. I'm perhaps over-anticipating, and willPost by Vicky Ayech
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
reserve judgement until I read more about how they're to be recruited,
trained, and empowered, but at the moment I'm more than a bit concerned
about the brownmarshals.
Post by Sid Nuncius
It makes me uneasy, too. British governments of all stripes have done
it for many, many years and I don't like it one bit. I just don't
think what has gone on here and now bears any comparison to the Nazis,
I really don't. IMO, such a comparison is an insult and it seriously
weakens an important argument.
Godwin's law is certainly always worth invoking, and we may beIt makes me uneasy, too. British governments of all stripes have done
it for many, many years and I don't like it one bit. I just don't
think what has gone on here and now bears any comparison to the Nazis,
I really don't. IMO, such a comparison is an insult and it seriously
weakens an important argument.
over-worrying at the moment. On the other hand, didn't that party gain
power via similar gradual steps ... but I hope I'm wrong. Let's see.
I hope we've not lost you Sid - we need your input.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but".
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but".
Vicky Ayech
2020-09-10 21:26:22 UTC
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:55:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Apparently similar regulations in force already in New Zealand.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 18:41:30, Sid Nuncius
my mother's first husband's family was one that fled that lot; though I
have no direct connection, I through my mother have some fondness for
Yiddishe culture.)
reserve judgement until I read more about how they're to be recruited,
trained, and empowered, but at the moment I'm more than a bit concerned
about the brownmarshals.
over-worrying at the moment. On the other hand, didn't that party gain
power via similar gradual steps ... but I hope I'm wrong. Let's see.
I hope we've not lost you Sid - we need your input.
https://cryptonews.bizlim.com/news/quebec-city-says-it-will-isolate-uncooperative-citizens-in-secret-corona-facility?uid=389481On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 18:41:30, Sid Nuncius
Post by Sid Nuncius
Not at all. I respect those affected by that particular holocaust. (FWIWPost by Vicky Ayech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100, Sid Nuncius
Post by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
Post by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
my mother's first husband's family was one that fled that lot; though I
have no direct connection, I through my mother have some fondness for
Yiddishe culture.)
Post by Sid Nuncius
Me too.Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sid Nuncius
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
With family history, I am seeing similarities though. The ways ofsort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
Post by Sid Nuncius
Definitely. And to non-police. I'm perhaps over-anticipating, and willPost by Vicky Ayech
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
presenting information used by the government and media, the wholesale
rush of so many to believe what is sometimes manipulated data..the
moves to give more enforcement powers to police etc all make me very
uneasy.
reserve judgement until I read more about how they're to be recruited,
trained, and empowered, but at the moment I'm more than a bit concerned
about the brownmarshals.
Post by Sid Nuncius
It makes me uneasy, too. British governments of all stripes have done
it for many, many years and I don't like it one bit. I just don't
think what has gone on here and now bears any comparison to the Nazis,
I really don't. IMO, such a comparison is an insult and it seriously
weakens an important argument.
Godwin's law is certainly always worth invoking, and we may beIt makes me uneasy, too. British governments of all stripes have done
it for many, many years and I don't like it one bit. I just don't
think what has gone on here and now bears any comparison to the Nazis,
I really don't. IMO, such a comparison is an insult and it seriously
weakens an important argument.
over-worrying at the moment. On the other hand, didn't that party gain
power via similar gradual steps ... but I hope I'm wrong. Let's see.
I hope we've not lost you Sid - we need your input.
Apparently similar regulations in force already in New Zealand.
Sid Nuncius
2020-09-11 06:10:14 UTC
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Certainly not. Just saying that I won't bang on any further about this.Right, I've said my bit. I'll shut up now.
I hope we've not lost you Sid - we need your input.--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
krw
2020-09-11 08:34:20 UTC
Post by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
I apologise for mis-spelling marshalls. I am concerned that the changesPost by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
made without consultation over our civil liberties in recent months are
disproportionate and they seem very similar in many respects to events
in Germany in the 1930s as I have heard them reported. I accept I am
not aware of the Houses of Parliament having been burnt to the ground or
the opening of camps to which people are sent. I am concerned that
other actions are very similar.
I am also concerned that because the GPs and such like are operating
behind closed doors that people are dying (deaths are above the 5 year
average and that is not down to C-19 deaths) and no-one knows why. That
no-one seems to be able to offer an explanation is also worrying.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Vicky Ayech
2020-09-11 12:51:10 UTC
Post by krw
made without consultation over our civil liberties in recent months are
disproportionate and they seem very similar in many respects to events
in Germany in the 1930s as I have heard them reported. I accept I am
not aware of the Houses of Parliament having been burnt to the ground or
the opening of camps to which people are sent. I am concerned that
other actions are very similar.
There was even a virus issue thenPost by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
I apologise for mis-spelling marshalls. I am concerned that the changesPost by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
made without consultation over our civil liberties in recent months are
disproportionate and they seem very similar in many respects to events
in Germany in the 1930s as I have heard them reported. I accept I am
not aware of the Houses of Parliament having been burnt to the ground or
the opening of camps to which people are sent. I am concerned that
other actions are very similar.
too.https://cryptonews.bizlim.com/news/quebec-city-says-it-will-isolate-uncooperative-citizens-in-secret-corona-facility?uid=389481
This could never happen here, of course. New Zealand and Canada are
quite different.
Post by krw
I am also concerned that because the GPs and such like are operating
behind closed doors that people are dying (deaths are above the 5 year
average and that is not down to C-19 deaths) and no-one knows why. That
no-one seems to be able to offer an explanation is also worrying.
II am also concerned that because the GPs and such like are operating
behind closed doors that people are dying (deaths are above the 5 year
average and that is not down to C-19 deaths) and no-one knows why. That
no-one seems to be able to offer an explanation is also worrying.
Sam Plusnet
2020-09-11 20:43:31 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
There was even a virus issue then
too.https://cryptonews.bizlim.com/news/quebec-city-says-it-will-isolate-uncooperative-citizens-in-secret-corona-facility?uid=389481
This could never happen here, of course. New Zealand and Canada are
quite different.
Vicky,There was even a virus issue then
too.https://cryptonews.bizlim.com/news/quebec-city-says-it-will-isolate-uncooperative-citizens-in-secret-corona-facility?uid=389481
This could never happen here, of course. New Zealand and Canada are
quite different.
You seem to be finding some increasingly strange websites.
I tried to look at that article's parent website (bizlim.com), but I
can't read Russian so I didn't get far - but it looks like some _very_
strange stuff.
--
Sam Plusnet
Sam Plusnet
BrritSki
2020-09-11 13:17:59 UTC
Post by Sid Nuncius
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
I apologise for mis-spelling marshalls. I am concerned that the changesPost by krw
Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
For heaven's sake, krw!Covid martials in town centres were an important part of BJ's
announcement yesterday as the Nzi party took centre stage.
I'm perfectly happy for you to question the data we're being supplied
with and the motivations of the scientists involved even though I
disagree with what you say. However, likening the relatively
light-touch enforcement of social distancing rules to the behaviour of
the Nazis is something quite different. You might consider the effect
of that sort of remark on those of us whose families suffered and died
as a result of the real Nazi Party taking centre stage.
I'm sorry if I sound precious. I'm usually pretty relaxed about this
sort of thing but I do find it unacceptable to cheapen some of the
vilest crimes of the last century with facile comparisons.
made without consultation over our civil liberties in recent months are
disproportionate and they seem very similar in many respects to events
in Germany in the 1930s as I have heard them reported. I accept I am
not aware of the Houses of Parliament having been burnt to the ground or
the opening of camps to which people are sent. I am concerned that
other actions are very similar.
I am also concerned that because the GPs and such like are operating
behind closed doors that people are dying (deaths are above the 5 year
average and that is not down to C-19 deaths) and no-one knows why. That
no-one seems to be able to offer an explanation is also worrying.
Two articles I've read today emphasise it:
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa762398-f39d-11ea-9de6-a6e4d4016fb7?shareToken=cf207c62687d41efdbc0ac4f7073ab28>
<https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing-the-cv19-second-wave/>
I will be treating this ridiculous new rule with the contempt it
deserves. If anyone wants to send round Marshall Dylan or Marshall Why
A. Twerp, fill yer boots.
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krw
2020-09-11 14:34:03 UTC
Post by BrritSki
I share your concerns, if not the Godwin invocation.
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa762398-f39d-11ea-9de6-a6e4d4016fb7?shareToken=cf207c62687d41efdbc0ac4f7073ab28>
<https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing-the-cv19-second-wave/>
Both provide interesting reading but likely to be beyond the capabilityI share your concerns, if not the Godwin invocation.
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa762398-f39d-11ea-9de6-a6e4d4016fb7?shareToken=cf207c62687d41efdbc0ac4f7073ab28>
<https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing-the-cv19-second-wave/>
of either Hancock (who ought to have his mental health checked) and Johnson.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Clive Arthur
2020-09-10 19:08:35 UTC
Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
And as for those faked moon landings and the 9/11 scam...https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
--
Cheers
Clive
Cheers
Clive
Sam Plusnet
2020-09-10 20:18:32 UTC
Post by Clive Arthur
Well quite.Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
And as for those faked moon landings and the 9/11 scam...https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
It's well worth doing a little digging into the website that started
this whole thread.
"Off-guardian" seem to have a track record of floating a range of
conspiracy theories.
--
Sam Plusnet
Sam Plusnet
Nick Odell
2020-09-11 13:55:55 UTC
(Subject modified because Eternal September rejected the quotes)
probably earn money if I do that. From what I gather elsewhere, it was
started by people who could not get their work published by the
Grauniad or others.
Given that there is a wide choice of on-line and off-line daily press
ranging rightwards from the Communists, weeklies covering economics,
politics, Brexit in-and-outers etc etc and periodic science journals
of every imaginable shade and hue - all of which will pay good money
for good articles - if nobody wants to buy their work I would say the
problem lies with their work.
For my idiot's guide to Covid-19 I go to More or Less. There is a huge
body of podcasts on the subject and the podcast directory helpfully
outlines the main matters for discussion by each episode.
Nick
Post by krw
It's well worth doing a little digging into the website that started
this whole thread.
"Off-guardian" seem to have a track record of floating a range of
conspiracy theories.
I am not clicking through to that article because I believe theyPost by Clive Arthur
Well quite.Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
And as for those faked moon landings and the 9/11 scam...https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
It's well worth doing a little digging into the website that started
this whole thread.
"Off-guardian" seem to have a track record of floating a range of
conspiracy theories.
probably earn money if I do that. From what I gather elsewhere, it was
started by people who could not get their work published by the
Grauniad or others.
Given that there is a wide choice of on-line and off-line daily press
ranging rightwards from the Communists, weeklies covering economics,
politics, Brexit in-and-outers etc etc and periodic science journals
of every imaginable shade and hue - all of which will pay good money
for good articles - if nobody wants to buy their work I would say the
problem lies with their work.
For my idiot's guide to Covid-19 I go to More or Less. There is a huge
body of podcasts on the subject and the podcast directory helpfully
outlines the main matters for discussion by each episode.
Nick
John Ashby
2020-09-11 19:52:36 UTC
Post by Nick Odell
(Subject modified because Eternal September rejected the quotes)
probably earn money if I do that. From what I gather elsewhere, it was
started by people who could not get their work published by the
Grauniad or others.
Given that there is a wide choice of on-line and off-line daily press
ranging rightwards from the Communists, weeklies covering economics,
politics, Brexit in-and-outers etc etc and periodic science journals
of every imaginable shade and hue - all of which will pay good money
for good articles - if nobody wants to buy their work I would say the
problem lies with their work.
I think the problem was not that the Graun wouldn't buy it, they(Subject modified because Eternal September rejected the quotes)
Post by krw
It's well worth doing a little digging into the website that started
this whole thread.
"Off-guardian" seem to have a track record of floating a range of
conspiracy theories.
I am not clicking through to that article because I believe theyPost by Clive Arthur
Well quite.Post by Vicky Ayech
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
And as for those faked moon landings and the 9/11 scam...https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/09/flu-is-killing-more-people-than-covid19-and-has-been-for-months/
It's well worth doing a little digging into the website that started
this whole thread.
"Off-guardian" seem to have a track record of floating a range of
conspiracy theories.
probably earn money if I do that. From what I gather elsewhere, it was
started by people who could not get their work published by the
Grauniad or others.
Given that there is a wide choice of on-line and off-line daily press
ranging rightwards from the Communists, weeklies covering economics,
politics, Brexit in-and-outers etc etc and periodic science journals
of every imaginable shade and hue - all of which will pay good money
for good articles - if nobody wants to buy their work I would say the
problem lies with their work.
wouldn't even take it for free on the BelowTheLine comments. And given
some of the stuff they do allow, way antithetical to the paper's core
values but clearly and politely expressed, the authors must have been
either mad or rude or both.
Post by Nick Odell
For my idiot's guide to Covid-19 I go to More or Less. There is a huge
body of podcasts on the subject and the podcast directory helpfully
outlines the main matters for discussion by each episode.
+1 (for the stats, for the medical stuff I have tame (and feral) medicsFor my idiot's guide to Covid-19 I go to More or Less. There is a huge
body of podcasts on the subject and the podcast directory helpfully
outlines the main matters for discussion by each episode.
on hand.
john