S6E02 Day of the Moon

[Agamemnon]

Good acting all round.

Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.

River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse, so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him and thought he looked younger and we
all know he looked the same before he regenerated. If it was Matt Smith's
Doctor then why weren't we shown the moment, and it obviously must have
happened in the Doctor's time line before the story with the Weeping Angels
but the 11th Doctor hasn't seen her before that event.

On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger. And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?

Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.

Why are we given the impression that the Silence has been killed off when we
are told the brought about the moon landings just so they could have a space
suit to put the girl in. And why did they need a space suit when they could
have put all the life support technology in anything they wonted since a
NASA space suit doesn't do anything different from a heated deep sea diving
suit.

How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?

How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be transmitting
her voice after the Silence removed it?

When did Nixon start taping all of his conversations in the Oval Office.
Before or after the Doctor suggests it July 1969?

10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

[The Doctor]

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse, so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him and thought he looked younger and we
all know he looked the same before he regenerated. If it was Matt Smith's
Doctor then why weren't we shown the moment, and it obviously must have
happened in the Doctor's time line before the story with the Weeping Angels
but the 11th Doctor hasn't seen her before that event.
On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger. And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.
Why are we given the impression that the Silence has been killed off when we
are told the brought about the moon landings just so they could have a space
suit to put the girl in. And why did they need a space suit when they could
have put all the life support technology in anything they wonted since a
NASA space suit doesn't do anything different from a heated deep sea diving
suit.
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?
How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be transmitting
her voice after the Silence removed it?
When did Nixon start taping all of his conversations in the Oval Office.
Before or after the Doctor suggests it July 1969?
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

I see you say 10/10 overall.

[solar penguin]

Post by Agamemnon
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.

Some of it will. The rest of it won't. And even the bits that are
explained, probably still won't make sense. At least that's my
prediction.

Post by Agamemnon
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse, so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him and thought he looked younger and we
all know he looked the same before he regenerated. If it was Matt Smith's
Doctor then why weren't we shown the moment, and it obviously must have
happened in the Doctor's time line before the story with the Weeping Angels
but the 11th Doctor hasn't seen her before that event.

IMHO Moffat hasn't actually thought the implications of River's
timeline through in detail, so that's why it's never going to make any
sense no matter how hard you study it.

Post by Agamemnon
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?

A combination of a time traveller's ability to remember altered
timelines, and an unexpected wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey side effect of
the universe not-quite resetting properly at the end of last season.
(In other words Moffat probably hasn't thought about the implications
of this either!)

Post by Agamemnon
How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be transmitting
her voice after the Silence removed it?

When the Doctor injected it, there was some technobabble that was
probably supposed to explain this. Something to do with telepathy and
cartilage. No, I don't understand it either.

[Duggy]

Post by solar penguin
IMHO Moffat hasn't actually thought the implications of River's
timeline through in detail, so that's why it's never going to make any
sense no matter how hard you study it.

I think that Moffat has changed his mind from random to backward
meetings... and previous meetings don't tally with the new version.

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= DUG.
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[john smith]

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be
explained later.

By which, if it was written by RTD, you'd call bullshit!

Post by Agamemnon
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse, so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been
Tennant's Doctor because she didn't recognise him and thought he looked
younger and we all know he looked the same before he regenerated. If it
was Matt Smith's Doctor then why weren't we shown the moment, and it
obviously must have happened in the Doctor's time line before the story
with the Weeping Angels but the 11th Doctor hasn't seen her before that
event.
On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger. And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a
Time Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so
that makes 5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the
Master be the father I wonder.
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.
Why are we given the impression that the Silence has been killed off when
we are told the brought about the moon landings just so they could have a
space suit to put the girl in. And why did they need a space suit when
they could have put all the life support technology in anything they
wonted since a NASA space suit doesn't do anything different from a heated
deep sea diving suit.
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?
How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be
transmitting her voice after the Silence removed it?
When did Nixon start taping all of his conversations in the Oval Office.
Before or after the Doctor suggests it July 1969?
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I
hope this doesn't end up as another reset.

[Agamemnon]

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be
explained later.

By which, if it was written by RTD, you'd call bullshit!

No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

[Charles E Hardwidge]

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Poison, or dagger?

[The Doctor]

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Poison, or dagger?
--
Charles E Hardwidge

Decide which is RTD.

[solar penguin]

Post by Agamemnon
If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

That "stupid face" business was all soap.

Good soap, but still soap.

[john smith]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be
explained later.

By which, if it was written by RTD, you'd call bullshit!

No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of 10.
Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

[Charles E Hardwidge]

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of 10.
Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

I doubt Smith could explain the workings of an integrated circuit or the
finer points of fibre optic cable transmission but that doesn't stop him
mouthing off on the internet.

Vanity, vanity. Everything is vanity...

[solar penguin]

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of 10.
Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

I doubt Smith could explain the workings of an integrated circuit or the
finer points of fibre optic cable transmission but that doesn't stop him
mouthing off on the internet.
Vanity, vanity. Everything is vanity...

I've not been following behind-the-scenes news closely. When has Matt
Smith been mouthing off on the internet about integrated circuits and
fibre optic cable transmission? More importantly, why has he been
doing it?

[Charles E Hardwidge]

Post by solar penguin

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of
10. Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

I doubt Smith could explain the workings of an integrated circuit or the
finer points of fibre optic cable transmission but that doesn't stop him
mouthing off on the internet.
Vanity, vanity. Everything is vanity...

I've not been following behind-the-scenes news closely. When has Matt
Smith been mouthing off on the internet about integrated circuits and
fibre optic cable transmission? More importantly, why has he been
doing it?

I was talking about Mr Personality Disorder but if Matt Smith has been doing
it as well...

You have to be careful. That's how rumours start.

[The Doctor]

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by solar penguin

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of
10. Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

I doubt Smith could explain the workings of an integrated circuit or the
finer points of fibre optic cable transmission but that doesn't stop him
mouthing off on the internet.
Vanity, vanity. Everything is vanity...

I've not been following behind-the-scenes news closely. When has Matt
Smith been mouthing off on the internet about integrated circuits and
fibre optic cable transmission? More importantly, why has he been
doing it?

I was talking about Mr Personality Disorder but if Matt Smith has been doing
it as well...
You have to be careful. That's how rumours start.
--
Charles E Hardwidge

Then be careful what you post.

[The Doctor]

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of 10.
Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

I doubt Smith could explain the workings of an integrated circuit or the
finer points of fibre optic cable transmission but that doesn't stop him
mouthing off on the internet.
Vanity, vanity. Everything is vanity...
--
Charles E Hardwidge

Said Vain Charles.

[Stephen Wilson]

Post by john smith

Post by Agamemnon
No. If RTD had written it 70% would have been soap not substance whereas
with Steve Moffat it's all substance.

Oh happy days! You point out massive plot flaws and give it 10 out of 10.
Still as deluded as ever! LOL!

Oh yeah. A flimsy plot with aliens that make no sense, loads of soap and gay
references. But Moffatt wrote it so that makes it OK...

[James Kuyper]

On 04/30/2011 04:55 PM, Agamemnon wrote:
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Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

I took the final sequence as implying that Amy is currently in
Schroedinger's cat-like superposition of two states, one in which she's
pregnant, and in the other, she's not. I think that the birth may still
in the future along her personal time line. However, it only said
"positive" / "negative" - it might have been testing for something other
than pregnancy.

Post by Agamemnon
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.

The renewed series is starting to have a serious surplus of women
connected to the doctor with mysterious pasts or futures: Jenny, River
Song, Amy, the girl in the space suit, and Amy's daughter. I think it's
safe to assume that the last two are the same person, given the location
where Amy found the picture. However, I suspect that at least two more
of those women are going to be discovered to be the same person, before
this is over; it's quite possible that they're all the same person
(making Amy her own mother would be the trickiest, but not impossible
once you've got time travel involved).

...

Post by Agamemnon
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?

What happened to the four people whose lives had not yet been completely
erased at the time of Big Bang II is very thoroughly anomalous, for
every single one of them. You'll have to admit, however, that that was a
highly anomalous position for them to be in. In the simplest of
possibilities, the world would have been recreated, complete, with
everyone but the Doctor restored to their proper places with no memory
of the prior universe. What actually happened was a lot more complicated.

[Ross]

Post by James Kuyper
...

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

I took the final sequence as implying that Amy is currently in
Schroedinger's cat-like superposition of two states, one in which she's
pregnant, and in the other, she's not. I think that the birth may still
in the future along her personal time line. However, it only said
"positive" / "negative" - it might have been testing for something other
than pregnancy.

It does *say* Pregnancy on the left in the white bubble. "Amelia
Pond / Full Body Scan in Progress / PREGNANCY" (The rest of the window
is gibberish in small print.) I guess that's not 100% proof, but it's
as close as anything.

[James Kuyper]

Post by Ross

Post by James Kuyper
...

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

I took the final sequence as implying that Amy is currently in
Schroedinger's cat-like superposition of two states, one in which she's
pregnant, and in the other, she's not. I think that the birth may still
in the future along her personal time line. However, it only said
"positive" / "negative" - it might have been testing for something other
than pregnancy.

It does *say* Pregnancy on the left in the white bubble. "Amelia
Pond / Full Body Scan in Progress / PREGNANCY" (The rest of the window
is gibberish in small print.) I guess that's not 100% proof, but it's
as close as anything.

I missed that - it flashed by too quickly for me to notice.

[Tim Bruening]

Amy had told the Doctor of her possible pregnancy because she was worried that being conceived on the TARDIS might cause the baby to have three heads or a Time Head.

[James Kuyper]

...

Post by James Kuyper

Post by Agamemnon
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.

The renewed series is starting to have a serious surplus of women
connected to the doctor with mysterious pasts or futures: Jenny, River
Song, Amy, the girl in the space suit, and Amy's daughter. I think it's
safe to assume that the last two are the same person, given the location
where Amy found the picture. However, I suspect that at least two more
of those women are going to be discovered to be the same person, before
this is over; it's quite possible that they're all the same person
(making Amy her own mother would be the trickiest, but not impossible
once you've got time travel involved).

Re-reading that after a good night's sleep, I think I went a little too
far with my speculation there.
We know how Jenny came into existence; it's inconsistent with her being
Amy's daughter.
Jenny is genetically Gallifryean, and the girl who was in the spacesuit
also apparently has at least some Gallifryean ancestry. But if either
Amy or Song had Gallifryean physiology, the Doctor should have noticed
and should have commented on the fact, by now.
The adult actresses involved are sufficiently different in appearance
that connecting any two of them would seem to call for Gallifryean
regeneration.
There's still too many bizarre possibilities open, however.

[Duggy]

Post by James Kuyper
Jenny is genetically Gallifryean, and the girl who was in the spacesuit
also apparently has at least some Gallifryean ancestry.

No, we know she can regenerate. And we know that the Timelords gained
that power at some point.

Could the child be a human who gains it?

===
= DUG.
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[Ryan P.]

Post by Duggy

Post by James Kuyper
Jenny is genetically Gallifryean, and the girl who was in the spacesuit
also apparently has at least some Gallifryean ancestry.

No, we know she can regenerate. And we know that the Timelords gained
that power at some point.
Could the child be a human who gains it?

Or, could Amy have been correct in her fears about the effects of time
travel on her baby? Maybe there is something about the vortex that
effected the baby, and basically gave it the same powers as the Time Lords?


Maybe... that's how the Time Lords got the power in the first place?
Happily "normal" aliens, until one day, a few mothers-to-be were exposed
to a time vortex?

[Duggy]

Post by James Kuyper
Jenny is genetically Gallifryean, and the girl who was in the spacesuit
also apparently has at least some Gallifryean ancestry.

No, we know she can regenerate.  And we know that the Timelords gained
that power at some point.
Could the child be a human who gains it?

  Or, could Amy have been correct in her fears about the effects of time
travel on her baby?  Maybe there is something about the vortex that
effected the baby, and basically gave it the same powers as the Time Lords?

That's what I'm saying.

  Maybe... that's how the Time Lords got the power in the first place?
Happily "normal" aliens, until one day, a few mothers-to-be were exposed
to a time vortex?

Is there a canon explanation?

===
= DUG.
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[James Kuyper]

Post by Duggy

Post by James Kuyper
Jenny is genetically Gallifryean, and the girl who was in the spacesuit
also apparently has at least some Gallifryean ancestry.

No, we know she can regenerate. �And we know that the Timelords gained
that power at some point.

...

Post by Duggy
Is there a canon explanation?

No, but there are several non-canonical ones. See:
<http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Regeneration>.

[The Doctor]

Post by Duggy

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Happily "normal" aliens, until one day, a few mothers-to-be were exposed
to a time vortex?

Is there a canon explanation?
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Darned if I know.

[China Blue Veins]

Post by Duggy

Post by James Kuyper
Jenny is genetically Gallifryean, and the girl who was in the spacesuit
also apparently has at least some Gallifryean ancestry.

No, we know she can regenerate.  And we know that the Timelords gained
that power at some point.
Could the child be a human who gains it?

  Or, could Amy have been correct in her fears about the effects of time
travel on her baby?  Maybe there is something about the vortex that
effected the baby, and basically gave it the same powers as the Time Lords?

That's what I'm saying.

  Maybe... that's how the Time Lords got the power in the first place?
Happily "normal" aliens, until one day, a few mothers-to-be were exposed
to a time vortex?

Is there a canon explanation?

There was something about making Gallifreyean children stare into the vortex.
That might have differentiated them into Timelads (-lasses) and the rest of the
Gallireyeans.

[pippa.moran]

Post by James Kuyper
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Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

I took the final sequence as implying that Amy is currently in
Schroedinger's cat-like superposition of two states, one in which she's
pregnant, and in the other, she's not.

Probably not a good idea to mention cats and pregnancy together when
replying to Aggy...

[China Blue Veins]

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

Did Time-ladies have wombs?

Post by Agamemnon
suit to put the girl in. And why did they need a space suit when they could
have put all the life support technology in anything they wonted since a
NASA space suit doesn't do anything different from a heated deep sea diving
suit.

Diving suits of that era didn't have a pressure difference across the suit,
which is where most of the bulk and mechanics of a space suit are. Also they're
cooled not heated.

Post by Agamemnon
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?

Rory and Amy retained partial memories from before the rebooted universe even
though the reboot reconstructed their human bodies

[Ross]

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse, so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him and thought he looked younger and we
all know he looked the same before he regenerated. If it was Matt Smith's
Doctor then why weren't we shown the moment, and it obviously must have
happened in the Doctor's time line before the story with the Weeping Angels
but the 11th Doctor hasn't seen her before that event.

I'd been assuming all along that it's the tenth doctor who gives river
the Sonic. I assume it happened between the third and fourth special.
River *does* recognize him, nothing she says even HINTS otherwise (In
fact, at the time, one of the things people kept harping on was that
River *recognizes him on sight*), but she *does* note that he looks
much "younger". Also, of course, the sonic he gives River is clearly
based on the tenth doctor's sonic: its settings are red and blue,
without a hint of green.

No, I think that far and a way the most straightforward explanation is
that during the missing time between the third and fourth special, the
Doctor is feeling melancholy over his impending death, and so he goes
to someone who he knows has seen what's next: he visits River. He's
haggard from the loss of Donna from warning of his impending death,
and from his recent brush with the dark side as the "Time Lord
Triumphant". This is why River considers him older than in Silence in
the Library: in the library, she sees a face he recognises, but she
sees him before he's had his spirit crushed by the events of Journey's
End and Waters of Mars. And, of course, he already knows what's going
to happen to happen to River, so he gives her his newly built two-tone
sonic -- one which he just recently built for this purpose, though
while building it, it occurs to him that if he just switched it to
green, he could get the best of both worlds without having to keep
switching back and forth between red and blue.

Post by Agamemnon
On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger. And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?

I payed close attention to this scene. I don't think the Doctor
actually mentions any adventures she *has* been on. He "remembers"
things that she asks about, but doesn't volunteer any. Which leaves
open the possibility that the future-doctor is lying -- we know he's
misleading all of them in this scene.

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less? Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord. She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

The pictures demonstrate that Amy's had her memory manipulated. Given
that Moffat is the first showrunner who likes to use Time Travel as a
story element rather than just a mechanism to deliver the characters
to the plot, it wouldn't surprise me if Future-Doctor or the Silence
whisked Amy off somewhere during the "Three Months Later" bit.

Also, there's no reason to think Amy's five months pregnant at all. If
she'd been two months pregnant at the beginning of the episode, she
would be past the point of just *thinking* she was pregnant. She'd be
at the stage where you start seeing an obstetrician. Even Amy
wouldn't wait *two months* before telling Rory. No, it only makes
sense if we assume that she's no more than a few days late at the
time. Which means that she's no more than three and a half months
pregnant at the end of the episode if she actually lived through just
those three months.

But of course, now Amy's in some kind of quantum superposition where
she's both pregnant and not pregnant. And I think I just worked out
why... (I'll get to that in a minute)

Post by Agamemnon
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?

How could Rory remember dying in the Silurian base unless he was still
a human? When the Doctor created the new universe with the Pandorica,
it was created based on the old universe as recorded in the pandorica.
The Rory who is created in the new universe is based on the old Rory.
So even though he's human, and lived his normal life, and never even
met the Doctor until his wedding day, he, like everything else, was
created by extrapolating from a universe which contained a Rory who
traveled with the Doctor, and who died in the near future, and who was
a plastic centurion in roman-occupied Britton.


But all that leads me to my Grand Unified Theory.

See, I've been working for some time on a story about time travel, and
it's got me all thinking about possible ways causality could work in
the face of the possibility of changing history And I applied that to
what we've seen, and here's what I got...

We can conclude from the events of The Lodger that the Silence is
trying to develop TARDIS-like technology. I believe that the Silence
are trying to, essentially, elevate themselves to the position once
held by the Time Lords (the Kryllitane had similar ideas). And I'm
going to guess that part of their plan involves trying to *create* a
time lord for themselves.

Now, we know that the Silence had something to do with last season's
destruction of the universe (THough I've always been partial to the
idea that we've been misled, and the destruction of the universe was
actually orchestrated by *enemies* of the Silence, attemtping a
"scorched earth" policy. They don't say "Silence will win", but rather
"Silence will *fall*". As Rory said,
"Rome fell." But anyway...). I suggest that the actual goal of the
destruction of the universe *was Amy Pond*. That crack in her bedroom,
her travels with the Doctor, her ability to affect the recreation of
the universe, I suggest that all of this was engineered as part of
some process (which we haven't seen come to fruition yet), which will
eventually lead Amy to give birth to a Time Lord baby.

Hang on, because here's where it gets *really* complicated.

Thanks to the intervention of the Silence, Amy gives birth to a Time
Lord baby. I'm going to guess that this baby is born in the year most
overwhelmingly appropriate: 1963. The Silence steal the child to
control its development, eventually forcing it into that space suit,
to protect it or perhaps to contain it.

But, of course, this past episode makes everything go pear-shaped: the
domination of earth by the Silence is interrupted in 1969 thanks to
the Doctor's intervention. So by 2011, they're no longer in any
position to manipulate Amy's destiny.

And as a result, there's now a paradox going on in Amy's uterus. If
the Silence wins and maintains control, Amy is pregnant with a time
lord baby. But if they're defeated in the 70s, then she's not. But if
she's not, then there's no child to be in the space suit. And no calls
to Nixon. And therefore no Doctor discovering the Silence. And
therefore no embedded hypnotic suggestion in the moon landing footage.
And therefore the Silence maintains control. And gets Amy pregnant
with the spawn-of-time.

And so the result is that Amy's now carrying Schroedinger's Baby: she
is, as the TARDIS reports, both pregnant and not-pregnant at the same
time.

So who shot the Doctor? Well, one way things can turn out is that the
Doctor defeats the Silence. But, of course, if the Doctor hadn't
summoned Rory. Amy, River, Carlton and himself to Utah to die at them,
they'd never have gone back to 1969 and started their war against the
Silence. So the Doctor knows he has to sacrifice himself. So I
suggest that he set the whole thing up. I won;t hazard a guess who
actually pulled the trigger. Could be the Doctor himself, crossing his
own time-stream. Could be River, though that seems sort of strange
(Why would River be in a 51st century prison for a 21st century
crime?).

ANyway, just some fun speculation. I'd be surprised if what happens
follows closely to what i've said, but I'd also be surprised if they
don't hit one or two similar points.

[Fred]

Post by Ross
Hang on, because here's where it gets *really* complicated.
Thanks to the intervention of the Silence, Amy gives birth to a Time
Lord baby. I'm going to guess that this baby is born in the year most
overwhelmingly appropriate: 1963. The Silence steal the child to
control its development, eventually forcing it into that space suit,
to protect it or perhaps to contain it.

BTW Alex Kingston was born in 1963.

[Charles E Hardwidge]

Post by Ross
ANyway, just some fun speculation. I'd be surprised if what happens
follows closely to what i've said, but I'd also be surprised if they
don't hit one or two similar points.

As plausible as anything. I don't bother with that shit but it's something
to read.

The time travel thing is a bit overdone. Yes, the Doctor has a TARDIS. We
know.

[The Doctor]

Post by Ross
ANyway, just some fun speculation. I'd be surprised if what happens
follows closely to what i've said, but I'd also be surprised if they
don't hit one or two similar points.

As plausible as anything. I don't bother with that but it's something
to read.
The time travel thing is a bit overdone. Yes, the Doctor has a TARDIS. We
know.
--
Charles E Hardwidge

Remnd me one day to tell you why the USA did not develop an SST.

[Duggy]

Post by Ross
I'd been assuming all along that it's the tenth doctor who gives river
the Sonic. I assume it happened between the third and fourth special.

Nah, he's too adventurous then, they'd have had a fling. During his
dying travels when he would have been in the mood to say goodbye.

Post by Ross
River *does* recognize him, nothing she says even HINTS otherwise (In
fact, at the time, one of the things people kept harping on was that
River *recognizes him on sight*), but she *does* note that he looks
much "younger".

Of course they try to cover that in her second appearance by saying
she knows how to recognise him in any body.

Post by Ross
 Also, of course, the sonic he gives River is clearly
based on the tenth doctor's sonic: its settings are red and blue,
without a hint of green.

True.

Post by Ross
No, I think that far and a way the most straightforward explanation is
that during the missing time between the third and fourth special, the
Doctor is feeling melancholy over his impending death, and so he goes
to someone who he knows has seen what's next: he visits River.

At that point he was trying to live, not preparing for death.

Post by Ross
I payed close attention  to this scene. I don't think the Doctor
actually mentions any adventures she *has* been on.  He "remembers"
things that she asks about, but doesn't volunteer any. Which leaves
open the possibility that the future-doctor is lying -- we know he's
misleading all of them in this scene.

Interesting.

Post by Ross
Thanks to the intervention of the Silence, Amy gives birth to a Time
Lord baby. I'm going to guess that this baby is born in the year most
overwhelmingly appropriate: 1963. The Silence steal the child to
control its development, eventually forcing it into that space suit,
to protect it or perhaps to contain it.

Unless someone else develops the suit to protect her from the Silents.

Post by Ross
So who shot the Doctor?

River Song with her green energy gun.

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[Ross]

Post by Ross
I'd been assuming all along that it's the tenth doctor who gives river
the Sonic. I assume it happened between the third and fourth special.

Nah, he's too adventurous then, they'd have had a fling.  During his
dying travels when he would have been in the mood to say goodbye.

That's a good point. The idea of him going back at the end of the
Special Season had fixed in my mind before the Sarah Jane Adventures
episode where he reveals that those travels had included *all* of his
previous companions. In light of that, and in light of the fact that
what we *did* see was him going on a little crusade helping a bunch of
them out, I could easily believe that it was during his dying travels
that he decided to do the second half of "saving" River.

Also, I neglected to mention, another part of why I think he did this
some time during the Specials is that when River reacts to Donna with
the whole "I'm so sorry" bit, that seems to suggest that The Doctor
told her about Donna while the pain was still fresh for him.

Of course they try to cover that in her second appearance by saying
she knows how to recognise him in any body.

Yeah, but even accepting that she would recognize him in any body, it
seems like if she sees him in a body she hasn't seen before, she'd
recognize him, but also instantly know whereabouts in his own life he
was.

Post by Ross
No, I think that far and a way the most straightforward explanation is
that during the missing time between the third and fourth special, the
Doctor is feeling melancholy over his impending death, and so he goes
to someone who he knows has seen what's next: he visits River.

At that point he was trying to live, not preparing for death.

By the end of it, sort-of, but the whole thing had very much the feel
of the Doctor going through a sort of bipolar episode. At the end of
Waters of Mars, he's very sad and broken, and at the beginning of End
of Time, he's moved on to a kind of manic denial.

Post by Ross
Thanks to the intervention of the Silence, Amy gives birth to a Time
Lord baby. I'm going to guess that this baby is born in the year most
overwhelmingly appropriate: 1963. The Silence steal the child to
control its development, eventually forcing it into that space suit,
to protect it or perhaps to contain it.

Unless someone else develops the suit to protect her from the Silents.

I don't see any evidence of that. Interesting twist if it happened.

River Song with her green energy gun.

I will note that the green energy gun blast looked a lot like the
weapons the Silence were firing in the last fight scene.

Also...

The Silent who confronts Amy in the White House tells her that she
must tell the doctor the thing he can not know. The show wanted to
imply this had to do with his impending death. But here I have two
concerns: first, how would they know? there's no evidence that the
Silence have succeeded at Time Travel yet (though we know they're
pursuing it). And if they did have that foreknowledge, it seems like
they must be much more capable than this episode implies, so how were
they so easily beaten?

Secondly, Amy *doesn't* tell the Doctor of his impending death. The
whole climax hinges on the fact that the Silence's power of suggestion
always works -- even our heroes aren't immune to it. If that's the
case, how did Amy resist?

It makes me think that maybe she *did* do what they said, and the
thing the Silent wanted her to tell the Doctor was actually about her
pregnancy.

In fact, maybe my theory is slightly backwards. Perhaps, like last
season, the Doctor is getting played like a fiddle. Amy *wasn't*
pregnant to begin with, and the Silence *put the idea in her head that
she was pregnant, and that she wanted to tell the Doctor before she
told Rory*. And then when they kidnapped her later, it wasn't to use
as a hostage, but rather to do something medical to her that would
cause her to end up with Schroedinger's baby, with the idea that this
would get the Doctor involved in some way that would lead to their end
goal of Amy having a time-headed baby

[Duggy]

Post by Ross
Also, I neglected to mention, another part of why I think he did this
some time during the Specials is that when River reacts to Donna with
the whole "I'm so sorry" bit, that seems to suggest that The Doctor
told her about Donna while the pain was still fresh for him.

Good point.

Post by Ross

Post by Duggy
Of course they try to cover that in her second appearance by saying
she knows how to recognise him in any body.

Yeah, but even accepting that she would recognize him in any body, it
seems like if she sees him in a body she hasn't seen before, she'd
recognize him, but also instantly know whereabouts in his own life he
was.

Agreed. I didn't say it worked, I said they tried it.

Post by Ross

Post by Duggy
Unless someone else develops the suit to protect her from the Silents.

I don't see any evidence of that. Interesting twist if it happened.

Thing is sometimes when the characters make guesses we take them as
facts - the writer explaining stuff.

Sometime the writer is planting red herrings.

Could be the Silents made it for her. Could be someone else.

Post by Ross

Post by Duggy
River Song with her green energy gun.

I will note that the green energy gun blast looked a lot like the
weapons the Silence were firing in the last fight scene.

I thought they were using lightning.

Post by Ross
Also...
It makes me think that maybe she *did* do what they said, and the
thing the Silent wanted her to tell the Doctor was actually about her
pregnancy.

Agreed.

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[Duggy]

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.

I'm sure some will.

Post by Agamemnon
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse,

I know. This is new and sucks.

Post by Agamemnon
so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him

Yes, she did.

Post by Agamemnon
On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger.

That's because there were 2 Doctors in this time period. The Doctor
she was synced with was ours, not the older one.

Doesn't explain the need for the diary any other time than that,
though.

Post by Agamemnon
And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?

The Doctor took her back (at her request) at the end of the episode.

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less?

The TARDIS test clearly showed that she was in flux between being
pregnant and not being pregnant.

Post by Agamemnon
Still doesn't make sense even if the baby is a Time
Lord.

I think she's going to absorb the Eye of Harmony or something and turn
the baby into a Timelord.

Post by Agamemnon
She was with Rory for 2 months while the Doctor was away so that makes
5 months, so why didn't anyone notice her bump? Or could the Master be the
father I wonder.

Why are you adding these numbers together?

Post by Agamemnon
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.

I doubt it.

Post by Agamemnon
Why are we given the impression that the Silence has been killed off when we
are told the brought about the moon landings just so they could have a space
suit to put the girl in.

That was what the Doctor believed.

Post by Agamemnon
And why did they need a space suit when they could
have put all the life support technology in anything they wonted since a
NASA space suit doesn't do anything different from a heated deep sea diving
suit.

True. Any they made humans develop the tech they needed. The suit
was all kinds of alien tech. The sort of thing the Doctor or River
Song might make.

Post by Agamemnon
How can Rory remember being an Auton unless he is still an Auton?

Because the universe was recreated from Amy's wish. She remembered
him (and loved him for) being an Auton, so that stayed.

Post by Agamemnon
How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be transmitting
her voice after the Silence removed it?

Because it was bioencoded or something.

Post by Agamemnon
When did Nixon start taping all of his conversations in the Oval Office.
Before or after the Doctor suggests it July 1969?

Nixon made it clear in the interview with Frost that Kennedy recorded
all the conversations in the Oval Office. (And I recall the military
questioning the "13 Days" version of the military wanting war and said
the Kennedy tapes agreed with their version.)

Post by Agamemnon
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

I was afraid when the body bags turned up it would be,

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[Agamemnon]

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.

<<<I'm sure some will.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse,

<<<I know. This is new and sucks.>>>

I think I've worked out the reason for this.

Moffat couldn't have Tennant give River his sonic screwdriver on their last
encounter together because he left so he's made River travel backwards with
respect to the Doctor's timeline so that it's Matt Smith who gives her the
sonic screwdriver on his last encounter with her which is her first
encounter with him.

Post by Agamemnon
so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him

<<<Yes, she did.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger.

<<<That's because there were 2 Doctors in this time period. The Doctor
she was synced with was ours, not the older one.

Doesn't explain the need for the diary any other time than that,
though.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?

<<<The Doctor took her back (at her request) at the end of the episode.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less?

<<<The TARDIS test clearly showed that she was in flux between being
pregnant and not being pregnant.>>>

She could have had the foetus removed from here womb by the Silence hence
her purpose was complete and the TARDIS was detecting pregnancy hormones in
some places and none in others.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On Tue, 3 May 2011 00:21:29 +0100, "Agamemnon"

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.

<<<I'm sure some will.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse,

<<<I know. This is new and sucks.>>>
I think I've worked out the reason for this.
Moffat couldn't have Tennant give River his sonic screwdriver on their last
encounter together because he left so he's made River travel backwards with
respect to the Doctor's timeline so that it's Matt Smith who gives her the
sonic screwdriver on his last encounter with her which is her first
encounter with him.

But she hasn't got the screwdriver yet, and she's had her first
meeting with the Doctor (but not necessarily with Smith as we're
seeing the encounters along the Doctor's timeline). There's no reason
why their timelines should be operating in precisely opposite
directions. A future Doctor could travel to an early point in Her
timeline, providing her with her First encounter, and then leave and
travel forwards along her timeline to deliver the screwdriver at their
penultimate meeting. There's also the possibility of other
undocumented meetings with Tennant's Doctor.

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him

<<<Yes, she did.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
On top of that the Doctor mentions to River an adventure she's hasn't yet
been on when he's 200 years older so that doesn't add up either if every
time she meets him, he's younger.

<<<That's because there were 2 Doctors in this time period. The Doctor
she was synced with was ours, not the older one.
Doesn't explain the need for the diary any other time than that,
though.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
And how does she end up back in jail for
the Weeping Angels story if she's just escaped from it for this one?

<<<The Doctor took her back (at her request) at the end of the episode.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
Amy pregnant for 3 months then not pregnant. Is the Time Lord gestation
period 3 months or less?

<<<The TARDIS test clearly showed that she was in flux between being
pregnant and not being pregnant.>>>
She could have had the foetus removed from here womb by the Silence hence
her purpose was complete and the TARDIS was detecting pregnancy hormones in
some places and none in others.

[Duggy]

Post by Ignis Fatuus
On Tue, 3 May 2011 00:21:29 +0100, "Agamemnon"

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.

<<<I'm sure some will.>>>

Post by Agamemnon
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse,

<<<I know.  This is new and sucks.>>>
I think I've worked out the reason for this.
Moffat couldn't have Tennant give River his sonic screwdriver on their last
encounter together because he left so he's made River travel backwards with
respect to the Doctor's timeline so that it's Matt Smith who gives her the
sonic screwdriver on his last encounter with her which is her first
encounter with him.

But she hasn't got the screwdriver yet, and she's had her first
meeting with the Doctor (but not necessarily with Smith as we're
seeing the encounters along the Doctor's timeline). There's no reason
why their timelines should be operating in precisely opposite
directions. A future Doctor could travel to an early point in Her
timeline, providing her with her First encounter, and then leave and
travel forwards along her timeline to deliver the screwdriver at their
penultimate meeting. There's also the possibility of other
undocumented meetings with Tennant's Doctor.

True. At which time she would have got the screwdriver at that time
and not have it now.

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[Duggy]

<<<I know.  This is new and sucks.>>>
I think I've worked out the reason for this.

The reason is it's a stronger time traveller tradegy.

Moffat couldn't have Tennant give River his sonic screwdriver on their last
encounter together because he left so he's made River travel backwards with
respect to the Doctor's timeline so that it's Matt Smith who gives her the
sonic screwdriver on his last encounter with her which is her first
encounter with him.

Which would have been Fall of the Byzantum... but clearly wasn't.

<<<The TARDIS test clearly showed that she was in flux between being
pregnant and not being pregnant.>>>
She could have had the foetus removed from here womb by the Silence hence
her purpose was complete and the TARDIS was detecting pregnancy hormones in
some places and none in others.

No, toggling state. It's timey whimey.

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[marc_CH]

Post by Agamemnon
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

I preferred Moffat when he had bits and pieces of the writing to
himself. Now that he has his hand on the tiller he seems to be as keen
on the same kind of absurdities as before.

[Duggy]

Post by marc_CH
I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

There was no sudden quiting. Eccleston was contracted for one year
because RTD planned to write him out.

If Eccleston had stayed for 4 years the regeneration could have killed
the show's ratings.

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[Ignis Fatuus]

On Mon, 2 May 2011 02:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Duggy

Post by Duggy

Post by marc_CH
I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

There was no sudden quiting. Eccleston was contracted for one year
because RTD planned to write him out.

I don't believe for one minute that Eccleston was hired with the
intention of keeping him for just one season. The whole build-up and
launch of the series presented him as the New Doctor for the
foreseeable future. He was included in the announcement of the
Christmas Special, just before the announcement of his departure, and
featured on the Jonathan Ross show being introduced to his Christmas
'action figure'. The announcement that Tennant would replace him came
two weeks after the announcement of his departure. If this debacle had
been planned it was an act of gross incompetence that's pretty unique,
even for the BBC.

Post by Duggy
If Eccleston had stayed for 4 years the regeneration could have killed
the show's ratings.
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[Duggy]

Post by Ignis Fatuus
On Mon, 2 May 2011 02:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Duggy

Post by marc_CH
I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

There was no sudden quiting.  Eccleston was contracted for one year
because RTD planned to write him out.

I don't believe for one minute that Eccleston was hired with the
intention of keeping him for just one season. The whole build-up and
launch  of the series presented him as the New Doctor for the
foreseeable future. He was included in the announcement of the
Christmas Special, just before the announcement of his departure, and
featured on the Jonathan Ross show being introduced to his Christmas
'action figure'. The announcement that Tennant would replace him came
two weeks after the announcement of his departure. If this debacle had
been planned it was an act of gross incompetence that's pretty unique,
even for the BBC.

So you fell for their misdirect?

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[Ignis Fatuus]

On Mon, 2 May 2011 03:38:28 -0700 (PDT), Duggy

Post by Duggy

Post by Ignis Fatuus
On Mon, 2 May 2011 02:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Duggy

Post by marc_CH
I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

There was no sudden quiting.  Eccleston was contracted for one year
because RTD planned to write him out.

I don't believe for one minute that Eccleston was hired with the
intention of keeping him for just one season. The whole build-up and
launch  of the series presented him as the New Doctor for the
foreseeable future. He was included in the announcement of the
Christmas Special, just before the announcement of his departure, and
featured on the Jonathan Ross show being introduced to his Christmas
'action figure'. The announcement that Tennant would replace him came
two weeks after the announcement of his departure. If this debacle had
been planned it was an act of gross incompetence that's pretty unique,
even for the BBC.

So you fell for their misdirect?

No; but it looks as if you fell for the spin.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Ignis Fatuus
On Mon, 2 May 2011 02:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Duggy

Post by Duggy

Post by marc_CH
I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

There was no sudden quiting. Eccleston was contracted for one year
because RTD planned to write him out.

I don't believe for one minute that Eccleston was hired with the
intention of keeping him for just one season. The whole build-up and
launch of the series presented him as the New Doctor for the
foreseeable future. He was included in the announcement of the
Christmas Special, just before the announcement of his departure, and
featured on the Jonathan Ross show being introduced to his Christmas
'action figure'. The announcement that Tennant would replace him came
two weeks after the announcement of his departure. If this debacle had
been planned it was an act of gross incompetence that's pretty unique,
even for the BBC.

If the departure was sudden and unplanned, how did the BBC obtain a replacement Doctor so quickly?

[Stephen Wilson]

Post by Duggy

Post by marc_CH
I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really
dire and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has
reeked of it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because
leading character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

There was no sudden quiting. Eccleston was contracted for one year
because RTD planned to write him out.

That's only partially true. Eccleston was contracted for one year - nobody
knew whether the new Dr Who would last more than a year. However RTD had not
planned to write him out and everyone involved in the show pretty much
begged him to stay for a further series. Eccleston quit for reasons unknown.
The BBC stated it was because he didn't want to be typecast. They then had
to retract that statement, but Eccleston and the BBC have remained
tight-lipped about the real reaon he quit. Let's call it "artistic
differences".

[solar penguin]

Post by Stephen Wilson
Eccleston was contracted for one year - nobody
knew whether the new Dr Who would last more than a year. However RTD had not
planned to write him out and everyone involved in the show pretty much
begged him to stay for a further series. Eccleston quit for reasons unknown.
The BBC stated it was because he didn't want to be typecast. They then had
to retract that statement, but Eccleston and the BBC have remained
tight-lipped about the real reaon he quit. Let's call it "artistic
differences".

IIRC there was a radio interview Eccleston gave which must've been
around the time he was thinking of quitting. He said he was surprised
by the lack of character development in the Doctor, still doing the
same sort of things in episode 8 as he'd done in episode 1. Maybe
that had something to do with it.

[Charles E Hardwidge]

Post by solar penguin
IIRC there was a radio interview Eccleston gave which must've been
around the time he was thinking of quitting. He said he was surprised
by the lack of character development in the Doctor, still doing the
same sort of things in episode 8 as he'd done in episode 1. Maybe
that had something to do with it.

I haven't heart that before. I just heard the rumour about issues with RTD
and working with the deadbeats in Cardiff.

Funnily enough, when I logged on this morning and looking over the comments
of the latest episode (6.03) I was thinking about the poor character
development (and non-existent plot and direction).

Moffat's showcase, Silk, had the pretence of a plot but still suffered from
knee-jerking and cardboard characters. The direction was good but nothing
outstanding. Not sure what his issues are with Doctor Who but the sci-fi
angle and it not being his franchise aren't doing him any favours.

The BBC are stuck between being formulaic (docs and drama) and trying to do
something new and justify the licence fee. Commercial TV has its own issues
and pressures. It's not that people can't produce stuff. I just think
there's other issues like management and the market getting in the way.
British TV is run like a gentleman's club.

[Duggy]

Post by Charles E Hardwidge
Moffat's showcase, Silk,

Ha-ha, pretending you've mixed up two people with the same surname.

Classic.

===
= DUG.
===

[john smith]

Post by Agamemnon
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really dire
and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has reeked of it
since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because leading character
is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

Is that what *really* happened though?

There's a good 'theory' here that seems quite plausible re the 'Eccleston
debacle'...

http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,32758.105.html

I preferred Moffat when he had bits and pieces of the writing to himself.
Now that he has his hand on the tiller he seems to be as keen on the same
kind of absurdities as before.
--
marc

[Charles E Hardwidge]

Post by john smith

I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really dire
and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has reeked of
it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because leading
character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

Is that what *really* happened though?
There's a good 'theory' here that seems quite plausible re the 'Eccleston
debacle'...

The polite form is "scheduling conflict".

[The Doctor]

Post by Charles E Hardwidge

Post by john smith

I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really dire
and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has reeked of
it since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because leading
character is quitting suddenly' script reboot.

Is that what *really* happened though?
There's a good 'theory' here that seems quite plausible re the 'Eccleston
debacle'...

The polite form is "scheduling conflict".
--
Charles E Hardwidge

As you like it!!

[Stephen Wilson]

Post by Agamemnon
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst. The writing was really dire
and reeks of 'reset button'. Then again, the whole series has reeked of it
since Eccleston kissed Rose in the 'RTD panics because leading character
is quitting suddenly' script reboot.
I preferred Moffat when he had bits and pieces of the writing to himself.
Now that he has his hand on the tiller he seems to be as keen on the same
kind of absurdities as before.

What she said!

[p***@aol.com]

Post by Agamemnon
Good acting all round.
Lots of stuff that doesn't seem to add up which hopefully will be explained
later.
River mentions once again that she's living her life with the Doctor in
reverse, so when did the Doctor give her his supped up sonic screwdriver
which she said he was supposed to have given her during their last time
together, which has to be in the Doctor's past? It can't have been Tennant's
Doctor because she didn't recognise him and thought he looked younger and we
all know he looked the same before he regenerated. If it was Matt Smith's
Doctor then why weren't we shown the moment, and it obviously must have
happened in the Doctor's time line before the story with the Weeping Angels
but the 11th Doctor hasn't seen her before that event.

She said she was given it when the Doctor dropped by to visit her,
specifically preparing for the events of Silence in the Library - it's
not something that will be covered in an episode. Though it does seem
to be inconsistent with this idiotic idea that they're predestined to
meet in reverse order, rather than meeting randomly out of sequence.

Post by Agamemnon
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.

River isn't a Time Lord. Amy's hair is red, River's is blonde - what's
the connection there?

Post by Agamemnon
How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be transmitting
her voice after the Silence removed it?

Because it's a lazy retread of the voices in transmitters/people in
spacesuits vibe from Silence in the Library, without sufficient
forethought.

Post by Agamemnon
When did Nixon start taping all of his conversations in the Oval Office.
Before or after the Doctor suggests it July 1969?
10/10 for the story so far but it obviously hasn't been completed and I hope
this doesn't end up as another reset.

You have a strange grading system.

Phil

[Duggy]

Post by p***@aol.com
She said she was given it when the Doctor dropped by to visit her,
specifically preparing for the events of Silence in the Library - it's
not something that will be covered in an episode. Though it does seem
to be inconsistent with this idiotic idea that they're predestined to
meet in reverse order, rather than meeting randomly out of sequence.

Agreed. Unless they drop that idea this has already happened.

Post by p***@aol.com

Post by Agamemnon
Is the girl River. Both Amy and River have strawberry blonde/red hair.

River isn't a Time Lord. Amy's hair is red, River's is blonde - what's
the connection there?

Dunno. People clutching straws?

Post by p***@aol.com

Post by Agamemnon
How can the device the Doctor implanted into Amys hand still be transmitting
her voice after the Silence removed it?

Because it's a lazy retread of the voices in transmitters/people in
spacesuits vibe from Silence in the Library, without sufficient
forethought.

It tunes itself directly to the speech centres in your brain.

As stated in the episode.

===
= DUG.
===

[James Kuyper]

On 05/07/2011 12:00 PM, ***@aol.com wrote:
...

Post by p***@aol.com
River isn't a Time Lord.

I've already commented that it seems unlikely that she could be a Time
Lord without the Doctor both noticing the fact, and commenting on it.
However, that's fairly weak evidence. Do you have any stronger evidence
that she's not a time lord?

[p***@aol.com]

Post by James Kuyper
...

Post by p***@aol.com
River isn't a Time Lord.

I've already commented that it seems unlikely that she could be a Time
Lord without the Doctor both noticing the fact, and commenting on it.
However, that's fairly weak evidence. Do you have any stronger evidence
that she's not a time lord?

I'm fairly sure she's specifically mentioned being human at one point.

Phil

[TB]

The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module. How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on the Moon?

[Keith Cunningham]

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module. How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

[The Doctor]

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module. How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

Please don't lead credence to the conspiracy theorists.

[Your Name]

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that
event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module.
How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on
the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

You shouldn't confuse the dimwitted and conspiracy nutters with actual
facts.

[TB]

Post by Your Name

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that
event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module.
How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on
the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

You shouldn't confuse the dimwitted and conspiracy nutters with actual
facts.

Where do facts and. and dimwitted and conspiracy nutters begin?

[Pudentame]

Post by Your Name

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that
event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module.
How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on
the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

You shouldn't confuse the dimwitted and conspiracy nutters with actual
facts.

"Conspiracy" implies intelligence.

Don't ascribe to conspiracy what is easily explaind by simple
stupidity.

I remember watching it live and when Armstrong first got outside on
the ladder there was no video.

The camera was stowed on a platform that was folded into the side of
the lunar module, and once Armstrong got onto the ladder he had to
pull a D-ring to deploy the stowed equipment and activate the camera.

There was a lot of discussion whether the equipment package was going
to deploy properly so the camera could record Armstrong's first steps
on the Moon.

Apollo used a slow-scan TV system that wasn't compatible with
broadcast TV, so the images were displayed on a special monitor at
mission control with a standard TV camera pointed at it which
significantly reduced the signal quality of what was broadcast.

After collecting his contingency sample, Armstrong removed the camera
from the platform on the side of the lunar module & set it up on a
tripod out away from the Lunar Module.

[TB]

15 days to Independence From The Silence Day on July 20.

[TB]

Post by TB
15 days to Independence From The Silence Day on July 20.

Now 1 week.

[The Doctor]

Post by TB

Post by TB
15 days to Independence From The Silence Day on July 20.

Now 1 week.

Welcome to mid month.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Pudentame

Post by Your Name

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that
event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module.
How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on
the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

You shouldn't confuse the dimwitted and conspiracy nutters with actual
facts.

"Conspiracy" implies intelligence.
Don't ascribe to conspiracy what is easily explaind by simple
stupidity.
I remember watching it live and when Armstrong first got outside on
the ladder there was no video.
The camera was stowed on a platform that was folded into the side of
the lunar module, and once Armstrong got onto the ladder he had to
pull a D-ring to deploy the stowed equipment and activate the camera.
There was a lot of discussion whether the equipment package was going
to deploy properly so the camera could record Armstrong's first steps
on the Moon.
Apollo used a slow-scan TV system that wasn't compatible with
broadcast TV, so the images were displayed on a special monitor at
mission control with a standard TV camera pointed at it which
significantly reduced the signal quality of what was broadcast.

And then NASA somehow lost their recording of the slow scan signal! This seems out of character for an organization dedicated to science.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Pudentame

Post by Your Name

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that
event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module.
How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on
the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

You shouldn't confuse the dimwitted and conspiracy nutters with actual
facts.

"Conspiracy" implies intelligence.
Don't ascribe to conspiracy what is easily explaind by simple
stupidity.
I remember watching it live and when Armstrong first got outside on
the ladder there was no video.
The camera was stowed on a platform that was folded into the side of
the lunar module, and once Armstrong got onto the ladder he had to
pull a D-ring to deploy the stowed equipment and activate the camera.
There was a lot of discussion whether the equipment package was going
to deploy properly so the camera could record Armstrong's first steps
on the Moon.
Apollo used a slow-scan TV system that wasn't compatible with
broadcast TV, so the images were displayed on a special monitor at
mission control with a standard TV camera pointed at it which
significantly reduced the signal quality of what was broadcast.

And then NASA somehow lost their recording of the slow scan signal! This seems out of character for an organization dedicated to science.

And video.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module. How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

Who attached it?

[Daniel60]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module. How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

Who attached it?

A Technician on Earth, perhaps!!

Daniel

[Pudentame]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 23:44:04 +1100, Daniel60

Post by Daniel60

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Keith Cunningham

Post by TB
The footage of Neil Armstrong stepping on the Moon seemed to show that
event from the point of view of someone OUTSIDE the Lunar landing module.
How could that be, since Armstrong was the FIRST man to ever set foot on
the Moon?

The camera must have been attached to the outside of the module.

Who attached it?

A Technician on Earth, perhaps!!
Daniel

There were multiple cameras.

The one that showed the "One small step ..." was a slow-scan TV
camera mounted to a stowage assembly on the side of the Lunar Module.

It was pre-sighted so that when the stowage assembly deployed the
camera was aimed at the ladder where Armstrong would descend from the
cabin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_TV_camera

Lunar Lander Training Mockup showing what the camera would look like
in the deployed position:

Loading Image...

Slow scan TV was chosen because the Lunar Lander's radio communication
system didn't have the bandwidth to transmit a full regular TV signal.

They also did still photos using special cameras based on the
Hassleblad 500EL. The cameras has special film magazines that could be
changed by the Astronauts wearing their space suits; loaded with
Kodak films developed specifically for NASA - a fine grained
Panatomic-X B&W filme rated at ASA 80, Kodak Ektachrome SO-68 & Kodak
Ektrachome SO-121 and a Kodak 2485 rated at ASA 1600.

https://petapixel.com/2014/07/29/a-detailed-look-at-the-camera-tech-behind-the-historical-apollo-11-moon-landing/

They also carried movie cameras along for their landing, but I didn't
find information about what cameras were used, but you can see the
movies of the separation from Apollo Command Module & the view out the
window of the Lunar Lander (aka LEM - Lunar Excursion Module) in this
NASA archive footage.

I remember getting up in the middle of the night to watch Armstrong
come down the ladder.

Later they moved the slow scan TV camera out away from the Lunar
Lander to show the LEM upper stage liftoff.

[Daniel60]

On 22/01/2017 1:11 PM, Pudentame wrote:

<Snip>

Post by Pudentame
I remember getting up in the middle of the night to watch Armstrong
come down the ladder.

THE STEP occured about 12:30 p.m. whilst my class were in the Science
Lab/Music Room. It was the only room in the College which had a T.V. ...
a 26 inch, Black and White on a tall stand so the entire class could see
the picture.

Daniel

[Tim Bruening]

Why did a former FBI agent believe that President Nixon would be willing to authorize his marriage to a MAN?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Why did a former FBI agent believe that President Nixon would be willing
to authorize his marriage to a MAN?

Maybe he would. He had to ask.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Why did a former FBI agent believe that President Nixon would be willing
to authorize his marriage to a MAN?

Maybe he would. He had to ask.

What made him think that Nixon might be willing to authorize a same sex marriage?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Why did a former FBI agent believe that President Nixon would be willing
to authorize his marriage to a MAN?

Maybe he would. He had to ask.

What made him think that Nixon might be willing to authorize a same sex marriage?

That is up to him.

[Pudentame]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:14:09 +1100, Daniel60

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Pudentame
I remember getting up in the middle of the night to watch Armstrong
come down the ladder.

THE STEP occured about 12:30 p.m. whilst my class were in the Science
Lab/Music Room. It was the only room in the College which had a T.V. ...
a 26 inch, Black and White on a tall stand so the entire class could see
the picture.
Daniel

It was about 10:56 pm here on a Monday Night. Don't know why I would
have been in bed that early, but I expect it was so I could get up
early to go to work on Tuesday. It was July - middle of the summer so
I was off from college - which means I had a job to earn the money to
pay my tuition in the fall.

Funny, I don't remember who I worked for that summer. It must have
been one of those really disgusting, back-breaking construction gigs.
I had several of them.

Maybe that was the summer I loaded trucks & railroad box cars.

[Daniel60]

Post by Pudentame
On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:14:09 +1100, Daniel60

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Pudentame
I remember getting up in the middle of the night to watch Armstrong
come down the ladder.

THE STEP occured about 12:30 p.m. whilst my class were in the Science
Lab/Music Room. It was the only room in the College which had a T.V. ...
a 26 inch, Black and White on a tall stand so the entire class could see
the picture.

It was about 10:56 pm here on a Monday Night. Don't know why I would
have been in bed that early, but I expect it was so I could get up
early to go to work on Tuesday. It was July - middle of the summer so
I was off from college - which means I had a job to earn the money to
pay my tuition in the fall.
Funny, I don't remember who I worked for that summer. It must have
been one of those really disgusting, back-breaking construction gigs.
I had several of them.
Maybe that was the summer I loaded trucks & railroad box cars.

Boy oh Boy, you must be old!! As I typed above, I was in High School,
about year seven, I think.

My vast income would have come from morning and afternoon newspaper rounds!!

Daniel

[TB]

What made a former FBI agent think that Nixon could authorize his marriage to a MAN?

[TB]

What possesed a Silence to say that humans should kill hem all????

[The Doctor]

Post by TB
What possesed a Silence to say that humans should kill hem all????

Look at the manipualted recording.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by TB
What possesed a Silence to say that humans should kill hem all????

Look at the manipualted recording.

I saw an heard the Silence suggest that humans should kill them all at the time that he or she was being recorded!

BTW, do Silences have gender?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by TB
What possesed a Silence to say that humans should kill hem all????

Look at the manipualted recording.

I saw an heard the Silence suggest that humans should kill them all at
the time that he or she was being recorded!
BTW, do Silences have gender?

Not known.

[Tim Bruening]

Why doesn't the super dense Dwarf Star Alloy generate enough gravity to crush everyone nearby?

Why doesn't it fall through the ground to the center of the Earth?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Why doesn't the super dense Dwarf Star Alloy generate enough gravity to
crush everyone nearby?
Why doesn't it fall through the ground to the center of the Earth?

Answer this: What is happening to a dwarf Star?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Why doesn't the super dense Dwarf Star Alloy generate enough gravity to
crush everyone nearby?
Why doesn't it fall through the ground to the center of the Earth?

Answer this: What is happening to a dwarf Star?

Its my understanding that its extremely dense. Can I assume that it has enough mass to have fusion?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Why doesn't the super dense Dwarf Star Alloy generate enough gravity to
crush everyone nearby?
Why doesn't it fall through the ground to the center of the Earth?

Answer this: What is happening to a dwarf Star?

Its my understanding that its extremely dense. Can I assume that it has
enough mass to have fusion?

Correct and compactly dense.

[Tim Bruening]

Great moments: River Song diving out of a 15th floor window into the TARDIS swimming pool.

Amy seeing a bunch of Silences on the ceiling. How do they stay on the ceiling?

The Doctor's prison is made out of dwarf star alloy, which is extremely dense. Yet I think I saw two workmen lowering a large dwarf star allow brick into place by hand! How did they do that?

[Daniel60]

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: River Song diving out of a 15th floor window into the TARDIS swimming pool.
Amy seeing a bunch of Silences on the ceiling. How do they stay on the ceiling?
The Doctor's prison is made out of dwarf star alloy, which is extremely dense. Yet I think I saw two workmen lowering a large dwarf star allow brick into place by hand! How did they do that?

microscopic anti-grav packs!! Lots of them!

Daniel

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Daniel60

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: River Song diving out of a 15th floor window into the TARDIS swimming pool.
Amy seeing a bunch of Silences on the ceiling. How do they stay on the ceiling?
The Doctor's prison is made out of dwarf star alloy, which is extremely dense. Yet I think I saw two workmen lowering a large dwarf star allow brick into place by hand! How did they do that?

microscopic anti-grav packs!! Lots of them!

I had no idea that the US had that technology in 1969? Or Dwarf Star Alloy, for that matter!

[Daniel60]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Daniel60

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: River Song diving out of a 15th floor window into the TARDIS swimming pool.
Amy seeing a bunch of Silences on the ceiling. How do they stay on the ceiling?
The Doctor's prison is made out of dwarf star alloy, which is extremely dense. Yet I think I saw two workmen lowering a large dwarf star allow brick into place by hand! How did they do that?

microscopic anti-grav packs!! Lots of them!

I had no idea that the US had that technology in 1969? Or Dwarf Star Alloy, for that matter!

Ah!! Well, there you go, Tim. You live, You learn!!

Daniel

[Pudentame]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:13:24 +1000, Daniel60

Post by Daniel60

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Daniel60

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: River Song diving out of a 15th floor window into the TARDIS swimming pool.
Amy seeing a bunch of Silences on the ceiling. How do they stay on the ceiling?
The Doctor's prison is made out of dwarf star alloy, which is extremely dense. Yet I think I saw two workmen lowering a large dwarf star allow brick into place by hand! How did they do that?

microscopic anti-grav packs!! Lots of them!

I had no idea that the US had that technology in 1969? Or Dwarf Star Alloy, for that matter!

Ah!! Well, there you go, Tim. You live, You learn!!

You learn whether you live or not.

If you don't live, you just don't keep that new knowledge long enough
for it to do you any good.

[Tim Bruening]

The Doctor is chained to a chair as a Dwarf Star Alloy prison is built around him. He has been there long enough for his beard to grow. How does he go to the bathroom? (I saw no toilets in the prison).

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor is chained to a chair as a Dwarf Star Alloy prison is built
around him. He has been there long enough for his beard to grow. How
does he go to the bathroom? (I saw no toilets in the prison).

????

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor is chained to a chair as a Dwarf Star Alloy prison is built
around him. He has been there long enough for his beard to grow. How
does he go to the bathroom? (I saw no toilets in the prison).

????

How is the Doctor expected to reach a toilet if he's chained to a chair?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: River Song diving out of a 15th floor window into the TARDIS swimming pool.
Amy seeing a bunch of Silences on the ceiling. How do they stay on the ceiling?
The Doctor's prison is made out of dwarf star alloy, which is extremely
dense. Yet I think I saw two workmen lowering a large dwarf star allow
brick into place by hand! How did they do that?

Must have been very careful.

[Tim Bruening]

Animals: Two stuffed bears and a stuffed rabbit in a room at the closed orphanage, which seems to contain a child.

A metal bird in Nixon's office.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Agamemnon
When did Nixon start taping all of his conversations in the Oval Office.
Before or after the Doctor suggests it July 1969?

The Impossible Astronaut: Nixon replays a phone call from that girl.