Post by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by clavigerPost by Amy JoycePost by mainframetech"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir."
HL = Harold Livingstone
DB = Diana Bowron
"HL: Because I have, I have reports from the morticians in Washington. So,
since you haven't read it-that's good. Because, what you're telling me is
not influenced by what I wrote already. But do you remember any
perforations in the head or did you see any holes or anything like a
bullet hole anywhere on his skull or in the back of the skull?
DB: At the back of the skull, an enormous hole.
HL: And would you-is that in the general area where that drawing- those
drawings-I'm sure you've seen them-where they've got a big piece of skull
missing in the very back of the head?
DB: Yes.
HL: Would you say that the hole's extended as far around as to be just
behind the right ear?
DB: Yes. It was more towards the right ear, definitely, then the left. But
it was, it was big. I mean, I could-and for when I did the thing, I had to
pack, you know, linens into there."
Note that the wound she describes was near to the right ear, and if you
put your right hand back behind your ear, you can feel the location she
was talking about. The hole in the BOH was close to th back part of the
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/piks/bowron_drawing.jpg
An interesting side issue came up when I was digging up the interview
HL = Harold Livingstone
DB = Diana Bowron
"DB: No towel, because I washed his hair. This is what I was going to write
to you about all these autopsy photographs with all the blood clots and
everything on the back....
HL: Is there anything peculiar about those pictures?
DB: Very peculiar, very peculiar. (Very long pause as she awaits a
question.)
HL: Well, I think they're fake as hell.
DB: Definitely. Definitely. On those pages that you told me, there's three
together, top of the F 6 and F 7, and something that-all are fake
completely because I washed all the clots out of his hair before I wrapped
it up."
From: http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/QbgORExR/nurse-diana-bowron
So she noticed the faked autopsy photos too. If they were the ones
shown to the medical panels, then that partly how they were fooled.
That's incredibly damaging to arguments against the blowout to the BOH.
The dozens of witnesses verifying each other aren't crazy or confused as
LN's try to convince people. It's a matter of trust: either the governmental
agency that stole the body to ensure an illegal autopsy (performed by an
agency of the government), or dozens of witnesses/average citizens not
under government command.
Now you have to deal with the fact not one passenger in the SSA security
car close behind the Limousine saw a BOH wound, including two top staff
members at the Whitehouse. Jackie Kennedy said the wound was on top of
the head. Stroble confirmed the large head wound was on the vertex of the
skull. Even Bowron admitted damage to the top of the head.
"Mr. SPECTER - And what, in a general way, did you observe with respect to
President Kennedy's condition?
Miss BOWRON - He was very pale, he was lying across Mrs. Kennedy's knee
and there seemed to be blood everywhere. When I went around to the other
side of the car I saw the condition of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir."
With all the blood it would be very difficult to see a small entrance
wound. With the forward flaps closed she wouldn't be able to determine the
extent of the blowout with just a quick glance. That would have required a
close inspection of the head wound which nobody at Parkland did in the
brief time they were trying to save his life.
WRONG! What a crock! "with all the blood" is silly, since Nurse Diana
Bowron was specifically washing the blood off the body and the hair.
And all the while the blood kept flowing. That's why when the body reached
Bethesda the wrap around the head was soaked in blood.
Bowron said she stuffed the big hole with linens, and wrapped the head
after she had done her cleaning of the blood of the hair.
So?
It's amazing what you don't know about the body! When dead, the heart
doesn't pump, and the only blood leakage is at most a trickle, not a
"flow" like a fire hose! The blood flow was minor, for instance the
bullet hole in the forehead/temple area didn't leak blood, since it was
usually pointing up.
Not exactly. The head wound didn't leak because Bowron packed the wound
with gauze squares.
How come you never quote the letter from Bowron.
Martin was a real researcher and did.
Subject: Re: Those "Unreliable" Parkland Nurses 1.
Date: 27 Jun 2003 14:29:18 GMT
From: Martin Shackelford <***@concentric.net>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
In case the copy with the photo doesn't download properly, here's the
text without the photo:
Harrison Livingstone has granted permission for me to post the contents
of a letter from Diana Bowron, dated 24th January 1993, and which
arrived too late for inclusion in High Treason 2. He recently ran across
it again, and thought it might be of interest. The only items omitted
are several personal notes, salutations, and her married name, which she
asked not be published.
The Cover Letter:
I have enclosed two photostats of photographs which may be of help to you.
1. From the Illustrated London News dated Nov 30th 1963 showing the
arrival of the casket at Andrews Air Force Base. That is the casket in
which we placed the President's body. The colour was bronzeand according
to the people from the funeral home it was the best they had.
2. From the Hospital Highlights the news letter of the Dallas County
Hospital District, of the trauma room where Kennedy was treated. The
photograph was taken for that edition of the news letter so it shows the
room as it was at the time of the assassination. I thought it might help
with the placement or non-placement of photographs, eg. tiles, also
gurney covers which were black. As I remember all the wall tiles in the
emergency room were the same height.
I understood the last time I was in Dallas, about two years after the
assassination, that the Emergency Room was to be moved and enlarged so I
am assuming that it no longer exists in its original form.
[Note: The photostats were not enclosed, as both pictures are widely
available.]
[A copy of a JFK back photo, F5, is enclosed, indicating "This is where
I remember the wound," but adding, "This is not the back I saw." The
location is indicated on the attached copy of the photo.]
[The main statement follows:]
The following is in answer to your questions.
When the president expired everyone left the room apart from Miss
Hinchcliffe, a male orderly and myself. We tidied the room and changed the
linen on the gurney and washed the body as best we could. Miss Hinchcliffe
and the orderly left the room, but I was told to remain with the body
until the casket arrived. I was told that I had to stay because I had been
one of the people who had taken the body from the car. I remained in the
room while the widow paid her respects. After she had left I was asked, by
a man I assumed was Secret Service, to collect all pieces of skull and
brain I could find and place them in a plastic bag which he gave me. This
I did and returned the bag to him (there were only a few fragments of bone
that had stuck to the dressings and towels that we had used to pack the
hole in the back of the head). I remained in the room until the people
from the funeral home arrived. After we had placed the body in the casket
and it had been closed I was allowed to leave. During the time I was with
the body only the widow and the priest came into the room, any dealings I
had with the Secret Service were done in the doorway; no one else entered
the room and no photographs were taken.
Apart from 2-3 mins, when I left the trauma room to collect blood from
the Blood Bank, I was with the body from the car until it was placed in
the casket.
Being new to the establishment, I was assigned to Minor Medicine and
Surgery, which was across the hall from the Triage desk and the major
sections of the Emergency room. It being very quiet, there were only two
or three patients waiting for the results of tests, I was talking with the
Triage nurse when the call went up for gurneys. I grabbed a gurney in the
hall and together with an orderly ran to the entrance. I saw that the
person in the back of the car was injured so I climbed in to render what
assistance I could until such time as we could move him to a trolley, then
to the trauma room (others were assisting the Governor in the front seat).
I saw that there was a massive amount of blood on the back seat and in
order to find the cause I lifted his head and my fingers went into a large
wound in the back of his head; I turned his head and seeing the size of
the wound realized that I could not stop the bleeding. I turned his head
back and saw an entry wound in the front of the throat, I could feel no
pulse at the jugular and having seen the extent of the injury to the back
of the head I assumed that he was dead. (not my job, only a Doctor can
certify death) When we got the President to the Trauma room, word had
reached the Trauma team and they were ready with I.Vs etc. I worked with
the team, assisting where needed for about 10 mins (time is difficult to
judge in those circumstances), when I was told to go to the Blood Bank. I
was away 2-3 mins and on my return I continued to assist where needed
until the President was declared dead.
Miss Margaret Hinchcliffe and an African-American orderly and I prepared
the body for the coffin. [Marginal note: David Sanders]
I observed no strange activity of any kind and saw no bullets.
As explained above, I thought after examination in the car that he was
dead. There was no damage to the front of his face, only the gaping
wound in the back of his head and the entry wound in his throat.
When we prepared the body for the coffin we washed the face and closed the
eyes; there was no damage to the face, there was no flap of scalp on the
right, neither was there a laceration pointing toward the right eyebrow
from the scalp.
When we were preparing the body for the coffin we rolled it over in order
to remove the bloodstained sheet from underneath and to wipe away the
blood from the back of the body. I saw another entry wound in the upper
back (the other entry wound being in the front of the throat). With
reference to the photograph The Back (F5) I only saw one wound, and not
the number of wounds in the photograph; I do not think that the photo (F5)
is of the President. I have marked for you on the photostat that you sent
me where I think the entry wound was.
I first saw the large wound in the back of the head in the car; when we
were preparing the body for the coffin I had the opportunity to examine it
more closely. It was about 5ins in diameter, there was no flap of skin
covering it, just a fraction of skin along part of the edges of bone,
there was however some hair hanging down from the top of the head which
was caked with blood, and most of the brain was missing. The wound was so
large I could almost put my whole fist inside.
When we prepared the body I washed as much blood as I could from the hair;
while doing this I didnot see any other wound either in the temples or in
other parts of the head.
I did not see anything suspicious about any of the doctors, though there
were far more doctors there than they should have been; perhaps because it
was the president they all wanted to get in on the act. You must remember
that I had only been there a short time and I did not know all the
doctors, some I never saw again, but they were all known to each other.
With regard to a post: in this context I think it would refer to a
gathering of the doctors after the event, to discuss the case. This was
standard practice, when more than one or two doctors were involved.
When the body was placed in the coffin the wound at the back of the head
was packed with gauze squares and wrapped in small white sheet, there was
no terrycloth or other type of towel used.
The coffin or casket was bronze with plain fittings, as in the enclosed
photograph. [This refers to the Andrews Air Force Base photo.]
I don't think the body was removed from the coffin. After I left the
Trauma room I was in a position to see if any one entered or left the
room. No one entered or left until they removed the coffin.
A clear plastic sheet was placed in the bottom of the coffin, which may
have been a mattress cover; the body was wrapped in at the most two sheets
plus the one around the head, all the sheets were white and none had zips.
There was no "body bag".
Perhaps the following will be of interest to you.
As soon as the coffin left the trauma room, I went back to Minor Med. and
Surg. to resume my work: I don't know anything about the fight with Earl
Rose, which happened at that time.
When I arrived there I found that the patients had been moved elsewhere,
and the department had been taken over by the Vice President and his
staff. They were getting ready to leave when I got there, as they passed
me I heard the Vice President say to his wife "Make a note of what
everyone says and does".
Again I hope this is of some help to you.
[Signed] Diana Bowron
GAUZE SQUARES
Post by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechAnd
that also gave her a close look at the wound in the BOH, as noted above,
and it was the only one she saw. There were no "flaps" there either at
that time.
Of course there were. We see them in the Z-film. Most of us aren't foolish
enough to dismiss that.
Well, being foolish is a talent certain people have. Are you
applying?
Did it occur to you that the Z-film was altered AFTER the phony work
on the body was done?
If I had, I would be too embarrassed to admit it.
Yup, that figures, you would avoid real evidence just to save face.
Post by bigdogPost by mainframetechThat the description of what was done to the body
was passed on AFTER it was done, so it could appear in the Z-film? As to
other people seeing the bone flap fly away, that may take care of some of
the people after they saw the Z-film, those others are simply chance.
They don't add up to over 39 witnesses though.
Aren't you forgetting that Zapruder and Newman reported what they saw on
live local TV well before the body had been returned to Washington? How
did "they" get them to describe exactly the same thing the AR described
and what we later saw in the Z-film. Had your plotters unlocked the
mystery of time travel?
WRONG! Didn't you see me mention "those others"?
Post by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechBy handling the head, it would be OBVIOUS that there was a
breakup of parts of the head if that were true.
It is an absolute certainty that the skull broke up because that's what
happens to a skull when it is hit by a bullet fired from a high powered
rifle. That happens 100% of the time. That would have been true even if
the shot had been fired from the GK or from in front of the limo as you
have claimed.
I'm so happy for you that you believe that. Where's the proof for
that?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=peter+cummings+jfk+skull+fractures&view=detail&mid=565781B284D2884DBF38565781B284D2884DBF38&FORM=VIRE
I went to your kooky LN site, but the first video didn't work. I'm
betting Peter Cummings, who has not been that great of an expert, will say
it was just in this case, that the bullet cracked the skull, and since he
didn't know the kill shot came from the front, he would be completely
wrong.
Post by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by bigdogPost by mainframetechI've had that experience
of handling a head after the skull had been cracked in many places, and it
is immediately OBVIOUS. There were NO "flaps" at that time. The only
flap that was there on the right side over the ear was made by Humes and
Boswell at Bethesda.
Pure fantasy.
Pure OPINION.
Post by bigdogPost by mainframetechPost by bigdogAs Dr. Carrico explained it
quite well, the first order of business is to restore basic functions, a
heartbeat and respiration. Obviously those efforts were going to be futile
but that's what they tried to do anyway.
I know you refuse to accept it because it is incompatible with your
beliefs but the Z-film is still the best witness we have and it showed
that JFK's head was blown open all along the upper right side. It fits
perfectly with the AR which described the skull defect as being chiefly
parietal extending somewhat into the occipital and temporal regions. Since
your can't reconcile the Z-film or the AR with what you would rather
believe, you simply embrace whatever excuse you can find to dismiss both
as fraudulent. I guess when you don't want to make your beliefs fit the
evidence you are forced to try to make the evidence fit your beliefs.
WRONG! How silly of you to try and decide what I think!
That is a pretty silly thing to do. How could anybody know what and how
you think?
Post by mainframetechI think my
thoughts usually based on the evidence, and that shows us that the flap of
bone above the right ear was not there until Bethesda, and that meant the
point where Humes and Boswell did their clandestine work on the body. So
it was created by them. Their information could well be passed on to the
CIA film alteration crew to be added to the film, making the 2 match, and
get the suckers believing the scam. There is no doubt the film was
altered.
This is a perfect example of what I just wrote. I have no idea how anybody
could arrive at such a silly conclusion. It is amazing the silly things
you will dream up to try to hold your fantasies together. So no you have
Humes and Boswell not only altering the head wound but passing it on to
the CIA so they could alter the Z-film to match what they did. So how did
they get Zapruder and Newman to describe exactly what we see in the
Z-film. The gave their accounts on live local TV within hours of the
shooting.
I answered that. At some point maybe they saw the Z-film and from then
on, they stated that there was a flap of bone. Or for a few, simply
chance. It won't equal over 39 witnesses though. And if shown on TV anywhere, it can be reproduced anywhere.
You have a real problem with timelines. Zapruder and Newman were
interviewed on live local TV shortly after the shooting and before the
Z-film was ever developed so they couldn't have been influenced by the
film or anything other then seen JFK's head explode right in front of
them.
Did they explain about the flap of bone flying out? And tell me why
over 39 eyewitnesses, many with medical training, did not see the flap of
bone before Bethesda. And remember, of that group, many looked down at
the head from no more than 2 feet away, not 30-40 feet from the street
like Zapruder. Robinson actually packed the wound for burial, and Nurse
Diana Bowron handled the head while washing the hair, and they saw the
'large hole' in the BOH.
Chris
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