Discussion:
China "space plane" an X-37 ripoff?
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Byker
2020-09-22 03:03:43 UTC
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Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky":


And they just can't figure out WHY:


Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"

Phantom_View
2020-09-22 04:18:34 UTC
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Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.

Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
Siri Cruise
2020-09-22 04:40:45 UTC
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Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
Our modern liquid fuel rockets were pirated from Germany.

Theirs were pirated from Goddard.
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Fran
2020-09-22 06:19:42 UTC
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Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
What the Chinese are losing is access to Swedish owned satellite
trackers that are based in Australia. The current contracts are between
a Swedish company and Chinese customers.
Byker
2020-09-22 23:30:16 UTC
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Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
What the Chinese are losing is access to Swedish owned satellite trackers
that are based in Australia. The current contracts are between a Swedish
company and Chinese customers.
Hey! You actually watched the video! KUDOS...
George
2020-09-22 20:21:33 UTC
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
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Byker
2020-09-22 23:47:56 UTC
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Post by George
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
Don't put it past them. When the bottom falls out and the CCP collapses, the
Chao-Chaos will do ANYTHING to distract the public's attention when civil
war threatens, not unlike Argentina's invasion of the Falklands when Gen.
Galtieri's junta began to fail and the public needed a distraction...
Phantom_View
2020-09-23 02:22:14 UTC
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Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
"infrastructure" can be undermined without the first
bullet being fired.

In short, much what the left has been doing to Trump,
times ten ... with a State budget behind it.

Everybody in Oz needs to be informed of all this so
they can see the dirty tricks as they appear and be
resolute in their resistance.
Dechucka
2020-09-23 02:33:07 UTC
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Post by Phantom_View
Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
"infrastructure" can be undermined without the first
bullet being fired.
Your not wrong. Russia got their man elected to the White House has the
US is now going to shit
Phantom_View
2020-09-23 03:54:10 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Phantom_View
Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
"infrastructure" can be undermined without the first
bullet being fired.
Your not wrong. Russia got their man elected to the White House has the
US is now going to shit
The US is doing better than it had done in a long time.
From your bullshit response I will conclude that you
are a Chinese disinfo operative.

Fuck off.
Dechucka
2020-09-23 04:58:47 UTC
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Post by Phantom_View
Post by Dechucka
Post by Phantom_View
Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
"infrastructure" can be undermined without the first
bullet being fired.
Your not wrong. Russia got their man elected to the White House has the
US is now going to shit
The US is doing better than it had done in a long time.
really? hate to see it doing badly
Post by Phantom_View
From your bullshit response I will conclude that you
are a Chinese disinfo operative.
Fuck off.
Fran
2020-09-23 08:03:40 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Byker
   Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
   for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
   similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards
appearance.
   Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
   pirating for sure ....
   As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
    Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
    the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
    Will not get them a thing.
    Even if they overran the country, all they would get
    is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
    Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
    I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
    against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
    many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
    war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
    hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
    highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
    terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
    resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
    "infrastructure"  can be undermined without  the first
    bullet being fired.
Your not wrong. Russia got their man elected to the White House has the
US is now going to shit
   The US is doing better than it had done in a long time.
really? hate to see it doing badly
I think this guy sums up the situation quite well.

Byker
2020-09-23 19:20:42 UTC
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Post by Fran
I think this guy sums up the situation quite well.
http://youtu.be/sbVr5FvASYU
I take it you've never heard the expression "RINO"
(Republican In Name Only): https://tinyurl.com/y4pq9nc5
PaxPerPoten
2020-09-24 05:53:07 UTC
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Post by Fran
I think this guy sums up the situation quite well.
http://youtu.be/sbVr5FvASYU
I take it you've never heard the expression "RINO" (Republican In Name
Only): https://tinyurl.com/y4pq9nc5
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican. Lets put a MAga hat on
him and trot him through St Louis, Chicago or whatever.
Fran
2020-09-25 01:59:03 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Fran
I think this guy sums up the situation quite well.
http://youtu.be/sbVr5FvASYU
I take it you've never heard the expression "RINO" (Republican In Name
Only): https://tinyurl.com/y4pq9nc5
What other dim people choose to call them is totally irrelevant if
they've always VOTED for the Republican Party.
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
'Registering' is not an example of freedom.

Lets put a MAga hat on
Post by PaxPerPoten
him and trot him through St Louis, Chicago or whatever.
Janithor
2020-09-25 02:01:01 UTC
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x-no-archive: yes
Post by Fran
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Fran
I think this guy sums up the situation quite well.
http://youtu.be/sbVr5FvASYU
I take it you've never heard the expression "RINO" (Republican In
Name Only): https://tinyurl.com/y4pq9nc5
What other dim people choose to call them is totally irrelevant if
they've always VOTED for the Republican Party.
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
'Registering' is not an example of freedom.
Lets put a MAga hat on
Post by PaxPerPoten
him and trot him through St Louis, Chicago or whatever.
Tell us again how you were obsessed with America in your youth. That
really says everything.
Daniel65
2020-09-25 12:26:49 UTC
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PaxPerPoten wrote on 24/09/2020 3:53 PM:

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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??

Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
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Dechucka
2020-09-25 20:04:53 UTC
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Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
Yes, I think registering has to do with choosing the candidate
Fran
2020-09-26 02:17:59 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
Yes, I think registering has to do with choosing the candidate
Yep - the primaries, BUT, that 'choosing of candidates' in a primary
does depends on which State the voter is in. In some US States, any
registered voter (ie a voter who has their name of what we'd call the
'electoral roll') can vote in a Democratic or a Republican primary, but
in others only a voter who is a registered Democrat or a registered
Republican can vote in the primary for the particular Party.

It's a really shitty and very fragile system. It has needed a decent
overhaul for at least a century - just one example of this is voting on
a Tuesday.
Daniel65
2020-09-28 13:35:20 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Daniel65
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
Yes, I think registering has to do with choosing the candidate
Yep - the primaries, BUT, that 'choosing of candidates' in a primary
does depends on which State the voter is in.  In some US States, any
registered voter (ie a voter who has their name of what we'd call the
'electoral roll') can vote in a Democratic or a Republican primary, but
in others only a voter who is a registered Democrat or a registered
Republican can vote in the primary for the particular Party.
It's a really shitty and very fragile system.  It has needed a decent
overhaul for at least a century - just one example of this is voting on
a Tuesday.
Ah!! So here in Australia, if YOU are a member of a local Liberal Party
group, you can vote for who YOU want to be the local Liberal candidate
for that area.

Same Same for local Labor/National/Greens/etc groups.

But in U.S. of A., if you are an enrolled Voter, you can vote from who
you want as a Republican candidate *AND* then vote for who you want as
the Democrat candidate ... *and* for the Independent candidate as well,
I suppose.

How weird!!
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PaxPerPoten
2020-09-26 06:44:21 UTC
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Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve. So far! It
ain't over yet.
Dechucka
2020-09-26 06:52:49 UTC
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Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve.  So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican. Surely this must be
impediment for people to get out and vote.
Makes our AEC and their electoral role of eligible voters, even with
its' problems, look like a gold standard.
Fran
2020-09-26 08:56:03 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve.  So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
???????? We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz and that is the same as the
'registration' system (to vote) of the US as far as I can discern.
There is however the problem in the US of voter suppression and that
has been a major problem for decades.

Surely this must be
Post by Dechucka
impediment for people to get out and vote.
Makes our AEC and their electoral role of eligible voters, even with
its' problems, look like a gold standard.
Yep, by comparison. Makes life easy for voters and those who have to
manage the election process within Oz.
Dechucka
2020-09-26 09:46:19 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve.  So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
????????  We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has a
continuously-updated permanent database

and that is the same as the
'registration' system (to vote) of the US as far as I can discern. There
is however the problem in the US of voter suppression and that has been
a major problem for decades.
Surely this must be
Post by Dechucka
impediment for people to get out and vote.
Makes our AEC and their electoral role of eligible voters, even with
its' problems, look like a gold standard.
Yep, by comparison.  Makes life easy for voters and those who have to
manage the election process within Oz.
Wolffan
2020-09-26 14:08:58 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Daniel65
<Snip>
Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve. So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
???????? We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has a
continuously-updated permanent database
You’d be wrong. I registered to vote (Republican, actually) when I moved to
my current state in 2004. Still registered, because still at same address.
They’ve moved the damn polling station three times, it’s almost as if
someone doesn’t want people to vote in my area. Oh. Wait. In the four major
elections since I moved here (2004, 2008, 2012, 2016) this precinct has never
voted under 76% Democratic. Yeah. Someone wants to make it difficult to vote
here.

I use early voting, so the whereabouts of the polling station is of academic
interest to me, but it’s damn clear that there’s been shenanigans. Hmm.
Who’s in charge of the county electoral office? Sad to say, while my
precinct may be heavily Dem, the county as a whole put in a lot of Reps.
Including at the electoral office. The shenanigans are Rep shenanigans.
Ineffective Rep shenanigans which cause a lot of irritation. I suspect that
the county will go not just blue, but deep, deep, _deep_ blue this year. Lots
of Rep pols are gonna be unemployed. Including, I suspect, at the electoral
office. There’s gonna be _Dem_ shenanigans soon, and it won’t be pretty.
The neighboring two counties are the largest and second largest in the state,
by size and population; we’re fourth largest. I suspect that the tri-county
area will be deep blue, and lots of smaller counties will get swamped, so the
Republican Party can probably kiss this state buh-bye. And once in, the Dems
will do onto us as we have been doing onto them for two decades, so this
state in’t going red again for a _long_ time. As it is two local
Congressional districts have Dems running without opposition, and two more
have Dems running against Reps who have no chance of winning. It’s gonna be
bloody... and we can thank the orange buffoon for upsetting the applecart.
Thanks _ever_ so much, Donnie.
Post by Dechucka
and that is the same as the
'registration' system (to vote) of the US as far as I can discern. There
is however the problem in the US of voter suppression and that has been
a major problem for decades.
Surely this must be
Post by Dechucka
impediment for people to get out and vote.
Makes our AEC and their electoral role of eligible voters, even with
its' problems, look like a gold standard.
Yep, by comparison. Makes life easy for voters and those who have to
manage the election process within Oz.
Fran
2020-09-27 02:52:56 UTC
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Post by Wolffan
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Daniel65
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve. So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
???????? We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has a
continuously-updated permanent database
You’d be wrong.
Does that change from one US State to another though?

I registered to vote (Republican, actually) when I moved to
Post by Wolffan
my current state in 2004. Still registered, because still at same address.
They’ve moved the damn polling station three times, it’s almost as if
someone doesn’t want people to vote in my area. Oh. Wait. In the four major
elections since I moved here (2004, 2008, 2012, 2016) this precinct has never
voted under 76% Democratic. Yeah. Someone wants to make it difficult to vote
here.
:-(( But your State would not be the only State where it's made
difficult to vote.... Looking at your country from a country where our
voter registration is seamless, permanent and done by an independent
body (with an impeccable reputation) for the whole of the country is
just gobbsmacking. Your country's 'democracy' always looks so fragile
and so, so, so close to falling off a cliff. >
Post by Wolffan
I use early voting, so the whereabouts of the polling station is of academic
interest to me, but it’s damn clear that there’s been shenanigans. Hmm.
Who’s in charge of the county electoral office? Sad to say, while my
precinct may be heavily Dem, the county as a whole put in a lot of Reps.
Including at the electoral office. The shenanigans are Rep shenanigans.
Ineffective Rep shenanigans which cause a lot of irritation. I suspect that
the county will go not just blue, but deep, deep, _deep_ blue this year. Lots
of Rep pols are gonna be unemployed. Including, I suspect, at the electoral
office. There’s gonna be _Dem_ shenanigans soon, and it won’t be pretty.
No. Tit for tat in politics seldom is pretty.
Post by Wolffan
The neighboring two counties are the largest and second largest in the state,
by size and population; we’re fourth largest. I suspect that the tri-county
area will be deep blue, and lots of smaller counties will get swamped, so the
Republican Party can probably kiss this state buh-bye. And once in, the Dems
will do onto us as we have been doing onto them for two decades, so this
state in’t going red again for a _long_ time.
:-(((

As it is two local
Post by Wolffan
Congressional districts have Dems running without opposition, and two more
have Dems running against Reps who have no chance of winning. It’s gonna be
bloody...
:-((((

and we can thank the orange buffoon for upsetting the applecart.
Post by Wolffan
Thanks _ever_ so much, Donnie.
He has a lot to answer for. Not that he will (sadly). Nothing is ever
his fault given how he's raised responsibility avoidance to such an art
form.
Post by Wolffan
Post by Dechucka
and that is the same as the
'registration' system (to vote) of the US as far as I can discern. There
is however the problem in the US of voter suppression and that has been
a major problem for decades.
Surely this must be
Post by Dechucka
impediment for people to get out and vote.
Makes our AEC and their electoral role of eligible voters, even with
its' problems, look like a gold standard.
Yep, by comparison. Makes life easy for voters and those who have to
manage the election process within Oz.
Dechucka
2020-09-27 03:07:21 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve. So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
???????? We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has a
continuously-updated permanent database
You’d be wrong.
Does that change from one US State to another though?
I registered to vote (Republican, actually) when I moved to
Post by Wolffan
my current state in 2004. Still registered, because still at same address.
They’ve moved the damn polling station three times, it’s almost as if
someone doesn’t want people to vote in my area. Oh. Wait. In the four major
elections since I moved here (2004, 2008, 2012, 2016) this precinct has never
voted under 76% Democratic. Yeah. Someone wants to make it difficult to vote
here.
:-((  But your State would not be the only State where it's made
difficult to vote....  Looking at your country from a country where our
voter registration is seamless, permanent and done by an independent
body (with an impeccable reputation) for the whole of the country is
just gobbsmacking.  Your country's 'democracy' always looks so fragile
and so, so, so close to falling off a cliff.
I've been told numerous times on TPG that the USA is not a democracy but
rather a representative republic. If you look at their Constitution
you'll see that the people do not have the right to vote for either the
Senators or the POTUS ( via the electoral college) these are appointed
by the States in the manner of their choosing.
In fact the country has a right to bear arms but SCOTUS has ruled no
constitutional right to vote, Husted v. Randolph, go figure
Fran
2020-09-27 03:18:16 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve. So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing to
do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
???????? We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has a
continuously-updated permanent database
You’d be wrong.
Does that change from one US State to another though?
I registered to vote (Republican, actually) when I moved to
Post by Wolffan
my current state in 2004. Still registered, because still at same address.
They’ve moved the damn polling station three times, it’s almost as if
someone doesn’t want people to vote in my area. Oh. Wait. In the four major
elections since I moved here (2004, 2008, 2012, 2016) this precinct has never
voted under 76% Democratic. Yeah. Someone wants to make it difficult to vote
here.
:-((  But your State would not be the only State where it's made
difficult to vote....  Looking at your country from a country where
our voter registration is seamless, permanent and done by an
independent body (with an impeccable reputation) for the whole of the
country is just gobbsmacking.  Your country's 'democracy' always looks
so fragile and so, so, so close to falling off a cliff.
I've been told numerous times on TPG that the USA is not a democracy but
rather a representative republic.
Well watching Trump, I hope he's not representative of Americans.

But I guess that definition does make sense. Who'd a thunk that anything
that makes sense would come out of tpg...

If you look at their Constitution
Post by Dechucka
you'll see that the people do not have the right to vote for either the
Senators or the POTUS ( via the electoral college) these are appointed
by the States in the manner of their choosing.
In fact the country has a right to bear arms but SCOTUS has ruled no
constitutional right to vote, Husted v. Randolph, go figure
Thanks. Just read up on it. Appalling.
Fran
2020-09-27 01:38:48 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the
box next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve.  So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing
to do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
????????  We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has a
continuously-updated permanent database
??????? I think they do. But that might be State by State related
there. I'll check.
Dechucka
2020-09-27 01:50:54 UTC
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Post by Daniel65
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the
box next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
That is the world we strived for and failed to achieve.  So far! It
ain't over yet.
It amazes me that you actually register to vote in America, nothing
to do with registering as a democrat or Republican.
????????  We have to 'enrol' to vote in Oz
Not every time there is an election, I don't believe the US/states has
a continuously-updated permanent database
???????  I think they do.  But that might be State by State related
there.  I'll check.
I'm no expert but that was the impression I got, wouldn't be the first
time I've been wrong
Wolffan
2020-09-26 14:23:02 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
They don't 'have' to. But I too think registering as supporting any
party is a really stupid thing to do.
You can register as an independent. The problem is, depending on the state
you might not be able to vote in primaries and so allegedly pick the
nominees. If a state has ‘open’ primaries, then anyone can vote for any
candidate in any party in the primary. If a state has ‘closed’ primaries,
you can vote only for candidates put up by your party and ’non-political’
offices, such as judges. My state has closed primaries.

You can also vote for one of the ‘minor’ parties, such as the greens, the
socialists, the communists, (yes, there are actual socialist and communist
parties in the US, including in my state; their candidates don’t get many
votes, usually in the low four digits for the entire state, but they get
votes. The first election I ever voted on in the US had Gus Hall and Angela
Davis running for prez and veep; they got less than 45,000 votes nationwide.)
and others even less likely to win. Donnie the Orange-u-tan has sufficiently
enraged the local 3rd-party people that they’re almost certainly all voting
Dem this year. There aren’t many of them, but they’ll be out voting
against the Don. Congrats, Donnie, you managed to piss off the actual
socialists and communists. Good going, there.
Post by Daniel65
Can't a citizen just rock up on polling day and put a '1' in the box
next to whomever they wanted to vote for??
Fran
2020-09-27 01:37:13 UTC
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Post by Daniel65
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
They don't 'have' to. But I too think registering as supporting any
party is a really stupid thing to do.
You can register as an independent.
Yep.

The problem is, depending on the state
Post by Wolffan
you might not be able to vote in primaries and so allegedly pick the
nominees. If a state has ‘open’ primaries, then anyone can vote for any
candidate in any party in the primary. If a state has ‘closed’ primaries,
you can vote only for candidates put up by your party and ’non-political’
offices, such as judges. My state has closed primaries.
Here and in many other countries, the fee paying members of a Party
select candidates. I quite like that system. If I wanted to be a
member of 1 or 6 or all Parties that would be possible so long as I paid
up my membership dues. If I felt sufficiently committed, I could join
multiple Parties and go along to meetings and join in the nomination and
selection of candidates to stand for election.
Post by Wolffan
You can also vote for one of the ‘minor’ parties, such as the greens, the
socialists, the communists, (yes, there are actual socialist and communist
parties in the US, including in my state; their candidates don’t get many
votes, usually in the low four digits for the entire state, but they get
votes. The first election I ever voted on in the US had Gus Hall and Angela
Davis running for prez and veep; they got less than 45,000 votes nationwide.)
and others even less likely to win. Donnie the Orange-u-tan has sufficiently
enraged the local 3rd-party people that they’re almost certainly all voting
Dem this year. There aren’t many of them, but they’ll be out voting
against the Don. Congrats, Donnie, you managed to piss off the actual
socialists and communists. Good going, there.
LOL. He's managed to piss off so many allies round the world and to
shock and horrify even conservatives. The hard neo-fascist right is
sticking with him unfortunately. If only a few more of his rusted on
but politically naive and ignorant supporters would manage to see
through the incompetent grifter....
Byker
2020-09-27 01:49:10 UTC
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LOL. He's managed to piss off so many allies round the world and to shock
and horrify even conservatives. The hard neo-fascist right is sticking
with him unfortunately. If only a few more of his rusted on but
politically naive and ignorant supporters would manage to see through the
incompetent grifter....
They already have. That's WHY they're supporting him, if only secretly.

Enjoy your time in the playpen, little snowflakes.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still have them, because following the next
9/11 or terrorist nuke or Stuxnet virus that shuts the country down, the
Bill of Rights will cease to exist. Seems I remember how Abraham Lincoln
suspended Habeas Corpus when things got too out of hand:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(1863)

"You don't miss the water till the well runs dry," remember?
Daniel65
2020-09-28 13:47:53 UTC
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On 25 Sep 2020, Fran wrote (in article
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Isn't freedom wonderful? In a America a died in the wool
Democrat/Communist can register as a Republican.
Why does any U.S. of A. citizen have to 'Register' one way or the other??
They don't 'have' to. But I too think registering as supporting
any party is a really stupid thing to do.
You can register as an independent.
Yep.
The problem is, depending on the state
you might not be able to vote in primaries and so allegedly pick
the nominees. If a state has ‘open’ primaries, then anyone can vote
for any candidate in any party in the primary. If a state has
‘closed’ primaries, you can vote only for candidates put up by your
party and ’non-political’ offices, such as judges. My state has
closed primaries.
Here and in many other countries, the fee paying members of a Party
select candidates. I quite like that system. If I wanted to be a
member of 1 or 6 or all Parties that would be possible so long as I
paid up my membership dues. If I felt sufficiently committed, I
could join multiple Parties and go along to meetings and join in the
nomination and selection of candidates to stand for election.
Just occurred to me!! .... If I wanted Party A's candidate elected, I
could join party A and help my desired candidate selected .... and then
join Party B (along with all my Party A mates) and help a really
deplorable Candidate selected as Candidate for Party B!

I guess this is how Candidate stacking might work .... if anyone was
that devious!! ;-P And wealthy!!
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Daniel
Fran
2020-09-23 08:00:10 UTC
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Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off except
for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because, with
similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards appearance.
Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of tech
pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that would be
the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
"infrastructure" can be undermined without the first
bullet being fired.
Your not wrong. Russia got their man elected to the White House has the
US is now going to shit
The US is doing better than it had done in a long time.
From your bullshit response I will conclude that you
are a Chinese disinfo operative.
That conclusion is loony.
Post by Phantom_View
Fuck off.
Byker
2020-09-23 19:20:39 UTC
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Post by Phantom_View
The US is doing better than it had done in a long time.
From your bullshit response I will conclude that you
are a Chinese disinfo operative.
That conclusion is loony.
But nonetheless accurate...
George
2020-09-23 20:47:25 UTC
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 23:54:10 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Dechucka
Post by Phantom_View
Post by George
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:18:34 -0400
Post by Phantom_View
Post by Byker
Their new "space plane" is likely not an actual rip-off
except for the concept itself. It will LOOK like ours because,
with similar goals, the physics dictate a similar outwards
appearance. Now some of the PARTS inside, yea, the proceeds of
tech pirating for sure ....
As to the utility of the thing ... dunno.
Speaking of space, the Chao-Chaos have lost their Australian
"eye in the sky": http://youtu.be/lyOhYXtwA6g
Well, they decided on making a sort of war against
the Aussies ......
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/zdR-I35Ladk
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth. Behind the genial exteriors, the
Aussies are real hard-asses.
And if the chinese were stupid enough to attack Australia that
would be the end of china.
The Ockers have a lot of mates in their corner !
I do not imagine they would make a literal shooting war
against Oz, at least not anytime soon, but there are now
many flavors of "war" they could get away with, Trade
war, economic war, information war, cyberattack,
hardcore disinfo campaigns directed against leaders,
highly-placed functionaries and business, corruption,
terrorization. sabotage and recruitment of other less
resolute nations in the campaign. Much of the
"infrastructure" can be undermined without the first
bullet being fired.
Your not wrong. Russia got their man elected to the White House has
the US is now going to shit
The US is doing better than it had done in a long time.
From your bullshit response I will conclude that you
are a Chinese disinfo operative.
Fuck off.
:)
You'd do well to find (and use) the Chinese phrase as its obvious he
only repeats anti Trump posts
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Byker
2020-09-22 23:30:13 UTC
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Post by Byker
Now they threaten to teach the Aussies a "lesson"
http://youtu.be/NGCW-KT9HgI
Will not get them a thing.
Even if they overran the country, all they would get
is scorched earth.
Australia is:

1) The world's smallest continent

2) The world's largest desert island, with a thin
veneer of population around the edges...
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