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2005-01-18 17:16:48 UTC
Occultists of all types recognize the essential similarities between
prayer and magick. It doesn't matter if you ask a Golden Dawn
Ceremonialist, a British Traditional Wiccan, a Dianic, an Erisian, or
even a Satanist. Understanding what prayer is and what magick is,
almost all who practice magick have come to the conclusion that the two
are very closely related, almost the same thing.
They are both a combination of the spiritual and the physical to effect
a change, a definition supplied by Aleister Crowley. In prayer, there
are the pysical motions of the prayer, the spiritual communication, and
the change is whatever is prayed for, even if what is prayed for is
simply a blessing. The only difference between prayer and magick,
then, is who supplies the power to effect the change. In prayer, the
petitioner requests that deity supply that power and effect the change.
In magick, the practitioner supplies the power himself.'
Since praying basically is magick, then what is understood about the
practice of magick applies to prayers too. It has been said that one
Christian would never consider the prayers of another Christian to be
bad. Of course, Mark Twain, in The War Prayer, demonstrated that this
is not true.
"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth
to battle - be Thou near them! With them - in spirit - we also go
forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O
Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our
shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of
their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with
shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their
humble homes with hurricanes of fire; help us to wring the hearts of
their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them
out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes
of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the
sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit,
worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and
denied it - for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes,
blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their
steps, water their way with tears, stain the white snow with the blood
of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is
the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of
all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite
hearts. Amen."
Surely those in the devastated country would consider the prayers for
victory as a curse. That puts that lie to rest.
In addition to the recognition of the essential simliarity of prayer
and magick, almost all practitioners of magick recognize some variant
of what is called "The Threefold Rule". Put simply, what magick you do
comes back to you three times over. The number sometimes varies, and
there are even some who do not believe in this rule, but most do. That
means when you spell or pray for harm to befall another, you are
spelling or praying that harm befall yourself as a consequence. It is
like spitting into the sky, your own spittle will land in your face.
The definition of harm is a broad one, magickally speaking. It
includes not only active harm, but any violation of the free will of
another, even if you have their own supposed best interests at heart.
That is why experienced practitioners look down on "love spells" as
trash. That's what they are.
Praying that someone be made to agree with you is a curse along the
same lines as a love spell. You are praying that the person's free
will be tampered with, that their perceptions be distorted, that they
be made to agree with you. It is, essentially, a variant of the "love
spell" curse. That means that every time someone prays that someone
else agree, the petitioner is doing black magick.
If actively doing the harm yourself is bad, how much worse is it to ask
deity to do the job for you? One could make the argument either way,
but to ask the deity to hurt other people on your belhalf shows a
profound disrespect for the deity. You can't love a God and ask that
God to hurt others for you. If someone asks a God to do such harm, it
proves the petitioner is in no way a servant of the God he asks.
Jason Gastrich has become a practitioner of the left hand path, as I
call it. Others would simply say he's doing black magick all over
these boards. Sit back and enjoy the show. I'm not worried, he really
doesn't know what he's doing. He's slinging impotent curses around,
but even those will catch up to him eventually.
Jason Harvestdancer
prayer and magick. It doesn't matter if you ask a Golden Dawn
Ceremonialist, a British Traditional Wiccan, a Dianic, an Erisian, or
even a Satanist. Understanding what prayer is and what magick is,
almost all who practice magick have come to the conclusion that the two
are very closely related, almost the same thing.
They are both a combination of the spiritual and the physical to effect
a change, a definition supplied by Aleister Crowley. In prayer, there
are the pysical motions of the prayer, the spiritual communication, and
the change is whatever is prayed for, even if what is prayed for is
simply a blessing. The only difference between prayer and magick,
then, is who supplies the power to effect the change. In prayer, the
petitioner requests that deity supply that power and effect the change.
In magick, the practitioner supplies the power himself.'
Since praying basically is magick, then what is understood about the
practice of magick applies to prayers too. It has been said that one
Christian would never consider the prayers of another Christian to be
bad. Of course, Mark Twain, in The War Prayer, demonstrated that this
is not true.
"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth
to battle - be Thou near them! With them - in spirit - we also go
forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O
Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our
shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of
their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with
shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their
humble homes with hurricanes of fire; help us to wring the hearts of
their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them
out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes
of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the
sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit,
worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and
denied it - for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes,
blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their
steps, water their way with tears, stain the white snow with the blood
of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is
the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of
all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite
hearts. Amen."
Surely those in the devastated country would consider the prayers for
victory as a curse. That puts that lie to rest.
In addition to the recognition of the essential simliarity of prayer
and magick, almost all practitioners of magick recognize some variant
of what is called "The Threefold Rule". Put simply, what magick you do
comes back to you three times over. The number sometimes varies, and
there are even some who do not believe in this rule, but most do. That
means when you spell or pray for harm to befall another, you are
spelling or praying that harm befall yourself as a consequence. It is
like spitting into the sky, your own spittle will land in your face.
The definition of harm is a broad one, magickally speaking. It
includes not only active harm, but any violation of the free will of
another, even if you have their own supposed best interests at heart.
That is why experienced practitioners look down on "love spells" as
trash. That's what they are.
Praying that someone be made to agree with you is a curse along the
same lines as a love spell. You are praying that the person's free
will be tampered with, that their perceptions be distorted, that they
be made to agree with you. It is, essentially, a variant of the "love
spell" curse. That means that every time someone prays that someone
else agree, the petitioner is doing black magick.
If actively doing the harm yourself is bad, how much worse is it to ask
deity to do the job for you? One could make the argument either way,
but to ask the deity to hurt other people on your belhalf shows a
profound disrespect for the deity. You can't love a God and ask that
God to hurt others for you. If someone asks a God to do such harm, it
proves the petitioner is in no way a servant of the God he asks.
Jason Gastrich has become a practitioner of the left hand path, as I
call it. Others would simply say he's doing black magick all over
these boards. Sit back and enjoy the show. I'm not worried, he really
doesn't know what he's doing. He's slinging impotent curses around,
but even those will catch up to him eventually.
Jason Harvestdancer