"tile" wrote in message
Post by tileBut pls do not try to deny that Istria has always been Italian speaking..
Are you on purpose denying the fact that both Croatian, Italian and
Istroromanian have been spoken in Istria?
Post by tileAnd pls do not deny that Croatian destroyed the bridge of Mostar for no
reason at all.
Your question implies that it's ok to destroy a masterpiece of architecture
if there's a good reason:-) There is never a reason good enough to destroy
anything, especially a monument under UNESCO protection. There are people on
trial in Haague for that.
Post by tilePls do not deny that all registeres have been destroyed by Yougosloav
authoties.. exactly to avoid knowing how many italian speaking people
lived before the war in the towns they occupied.
I couldn't deny that. Communist Yugoslav army did a lot of bad things and
almost all of the ihnabitants of Istria and Kvarner whether they were
Italian, Croatian or Slovenian speaking were not happy when they came to
liberate them. In my city (Rijeka), for example, there has been a strong
movement seeking for autonomy. Citizens of Rijeka (Croatian, Italian,
Hungarian, Austrian, Slovenian) didn't want both Italy or Yugoslavia to rule
them. They were seeking for their right to be autonomous, the city had been
an independent city-state for a couple of years (US president Wilson was
among the greatest advocates of the city's independence).
Post by tileand pls clarify that most of the crimes committed agains civilians were
AFTER the second world war.
Unfortunately, I can't give you the figures because no one knows them yet.
in fact between 1945 and 1948. ( yes we are
Post by tiletalking about 1948.. )
Slovenia has given a list of civilians that were killed AFTER the war.
apologized and paid indemnities.
Has Italy apologised to Croatia and Slovenia yet?
Or Ethiopia and Albania?
I mean, I'm pro apologies, paying reparations and stuff but I'm also like
before you accuse sb else, take a look at yourself.
These things are pointless to discuss but you keep making me reply because
you're view on things is quite partial.
Post by tileand pls tell me since when Italian speaking people were granted to have
their own Political party. their own schools. and pls clarify that
Italian speaking people were obliged in any case to give up their
citizenship and take croatian citizenship by force.
I'm not sure what you're asking. I don't know about Slovenia but I know
about Croatia. Don't know why you think that Italian minority doesn't have
rights in Croatia because they have their representatives in parliament,
they can have their political parties, all of the institutions and street
names in Istria are bilingual, in Rijeka there is a national theatre house
which incorporates Italian Drama, there are a number of Italian associations
and cultural organizations, in Rijeka there is Edit which is publishing
company sponsored by the Italian government that publishes books in Italian,
there are daily newspapers in Italian La voce del popolo, there are Italian
kindergartens, 2 Italian elementary schools and Italian grammar school in
Rijeka ... Not one Italian in Rijeka or Istria is feeling segregated, and I
know because I socialise with them on daily basis.
BTW, I don't know what you mean by "Italian speaking people were obliged in
any case to give up their citizenship and take croatian citizenship by
force." If you're reffering to the after WW2 period that doens't make sense
because Croatia as a state didn't exist until 1990 so I don't understand how
anyone could have got Coatian citizenship back then?? If you're reffering to
present-day situation, Italian government has enabled all the members of the
Italian minority in Croatia to have Italian citizenship so they have both
Croatian and Italian citizenship.
Post by tileand pls tell me who was in Istria and Dalmazia Before the venetians
occupied it.
Have you ever heard of the Illyric tribe Histri? the Venetians occupied
Istria in the 16th century. Before them Istria was in hands of the Roman
Empire for a while, then in hands of different dukes, Habsburg family,
Napoleon ... After the WW1 Istria got in hands of Italy for the first time
in history and yet you believe it has always been Italian. I think Austria
should claim right on Istria also because Habsburg family possessed it in
history. Or France bearing in mind that Napoleon conquered it too. They have
the same right on Istria as anyone else. :-)
Post by tileVenetians did not destroy.. but build
the town of Ragusa ( Or Dubrovnik ) is an example..
Dubrovnik was the only independent city-state (The Republic of Dubrovnik) in
the Mediterranean until the 19th century when Napoleon conquered it. It
managed to balance between Osman empire and Venetians (Venetians possessed
Dubrovnik for about 150 years since the beginning of the 13th century up
until the middle of the 14th century) having a support from Spain and
Venetians do not play any role in buliding the city. Don't know where you
got that from.