Post by CavalornPost by In The DarknessPost by CavalornCan one really consider 'flying in the air' or 'turning into a hare' to
be a *practice*?
Depends how much "Good Herbals" one ingests.
Who would be ingesting the herbals? The person who wrote about what the
'witch' got up to, or the 'witch' themself?
If mediaeval peasants were getting smashed on ergot (or whatever) and
saw flying witches, then we need not take any more notice of reports of
witches than we do of reports of pink elephants. A drug fantasy is a
drug fantasy.
The catcher would be to add the word "SOME"
If "some" medieval peasants were getting smashed...
and then the answer becomes self evident.
Post by CavalornHowever, if it was supposed to be the 'witches' than took the drugs and
thought they were flying, then why on earth would anyone *else* have
believed that they turned into hares or flew in the air? If someone
takes LSD and tells you he can fly, you are not convinced.
Until the sucker jumps off the cliff, then -I- will verify he flew
for several seconds, at least.
:)
Post by CavalornBesides, if 'witches' were zonked on herbs all the time,
Here, we move from a Shamanic trance, to "all the time",
this is the very *&%*%* I can't stand when talking to you...
Post by Cavalornmaybe they
couldn't do magic *either* and only thought they could because they were
so bombed.
Don't confuse Magic, with Magick, Aspirin works, Dude.
Even if you don't believe in the Prayer part....
Post by CavalornThat reading of history doesn't say much for the powers of
the witch, really, does it! It would explain a lot though... 'Dude, you
just totally turned into a frog, hee hee.' 'Ooo, bummer.'
See ?
Post by CavalornSo, who was supposed to have been the tripping person here?
Members of the Xian church must have got hold of shit more
psychedelic than I can conceive, have you ever -read-
-their- writings ??
OD'ed on Mushrooms with Peyote, at mimimum.
*S*
Jesus floating up into the Sky to Gods right hand,
-had- to involved good stuff.. because,
quite frankly, he would have "popped".
Post by CavalornPost by In The DarknessShamanic practices,
and even Gaelic, sometimes involved trancing into an altered
state where such things happened "in the Minds Eye"..
And your evidence for that would be...?
American Indian Shaman practices, wherein
the Shaman takes Peyote, and trances out.
I take it this is *new* information for you ?
If you doubt it, check into it, America even has exceptions
to the drug laws for certain Indian Tribal Shamans.
Oh, and the Sufi, descendants of the Middle Eastern Religions,
(including Judaism, and Muslims) use mild psychedelics as S.O.P.
for "transcending".
It is where we derive the word Hashish, in the English Language.
Post by CavalornYou see, this is the standard response when people look at the myths
from a modern day perspective. Everything's chopped around to fit.
Oh,, yes... and all Witches, Siedhe, etc. were strictly fictitious,
even though I visited one of the houses of these "fictitious" women
out in the Pennsylvania Mountains.
The house was mythical, too, eh ?
Felt awful solid under my feet... she had passed on after about
a hundred years of life, leaving behind only the legend.
Post by CavalornWe don't like the idea that witches were in league with the devil, so
let's make them pagans instead, worshipping some 'horned god' figure.
Some were, some -didn't-.. the Witches of yesteryear didn't even
have a standardized religion. Their belief varied according to -region-,
as far as I have been able to tell...
Post by CavalornWitches were real, but they can't possibly have been flying in the air,
so let's 'explain' that with reference to some drug experience.
Some explanations this fits... others, were simple hysteria, and more still,
simply fabrications.
Pick your poison, based upon the case.
One size does NOT fit all, no matter how hard you try to lead
us to that posture.
Post by CavalornNever mind that these explanations always raise more questions than they
answer...
Well, that is the problem with reality, instead of fiction,
it does tend to be more complex than we would like it to be.
For example "witch" wasn't an English origin word, and didn't
only have -one- path of evolution, in one country, nor did it
have only one spelling.
All attempts to make that so, are delusional.
Post by CavalornPost by In The DarknessOr, as the one trial demonstrated "He drank from their Elixir,
and he was transported to a place where they danced with the
witches around the devil.."
Where did you pick that snippet up from? I'd like to see more.
From a link posted into the list..
http://www.ealdriht.org/witchcraft.html
(The poster) Init8 said:
"This contains the two quotes from Aelfric that Cavalorn used, set within a
wider discussion of the meaning of the term within a North European
context, which seems to lend support to the view that witchcraft was a
pre-existing practice, rather than a myth invented by Christian
theologians."
Post by CavalornPost by In The DarknessEvidence that it may have been a Shamanic Journey, rather than
a literal one. Take King Arthur, as a boy, being changed into a fish
by Merlin...
Good grief, why can't people let *myths* be *myths*?
Because what is Myth, and what is reality, is blurred,
and we seek the truth, not the Church Propaganda (tm) Mirage
which we know has been tampered with...
Post by CavalornWhy can't it ever be *just* a story? Why do people nowadays always have
to try to make these things *real* in some procrustean way or other?
Cav
Because many of these events are -based- upon reality, even if
you won't admit it to yourself. We seek the truth, you seem to hide
from it.
GLoS'ing it over, so to speak.