Post by Will DockeryAllen Ginsberg himself said it didn't happen.
You take Edgar Allan Poe at his word, so we should take Allen Ginsberg at his word.
Fair enough?
Ginsberg never said what didn't happen?
Did you read the various quotes/excerpts I'd posted?
Let's look at them:
Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”
Hmm... this is a *quote* from Allen Ginsberg. Are you saying that we should take him at his word on this?
"Ginsberg wrote a lot of poems about homosexual activity with boys. He even wrote a poem called 'Sweet Boy Give Me Your Ass.'"
Are you saying that Ginsberg denied writing this poem?
"In the 1960s Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys,"
Should we believe Ginsberg's boast?
"One acquaintance writes of him 'Allen Ginsberg was a liar, pederast, child abuser, hypocrite, & thoroughly despicable person,' but not everybody liked him that much."
Did Ginsberg deny what his acquaintance wrote?
"Ginsberg was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)."
Did Ginsberg deny his NAMBLA membership?
"Like many homosexuals, he was molested in his own childhood. In June 1977, during the Boston/Boise scandal, in which he supported the defendants, Ginsberg said on TV, 'I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay'."
Should we take Ginsberg at his word here (claiming that sex with 8-year olds is okay)?
"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
...
LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."
Should we take Ginsberg at his word here as well?
"Those guys were all the worst. Setting aside the drugs and alcohol and their sons claiming to have been molested, at the age of 14, by friends of their father’s, and, yes, the wife-shooting, it’s also true that Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg (a NAMBLA member, lest we forget) and their gang-some of whom are somehow still living, so, let’s not name names-were literary rockstars who kept a steady supply of boy groupies as disposable sex toys."
Did Ginsberg deny any of these charges?
"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."
Did Ginsberg deny any of these charges?
If we take Ginsberg at his word he thinks it okay to sodomize an 8-year old boy, okay to masturbate to images of little boys, okay to have sexual fantasies about little boys, and that it's okay to rape little boys and girls.
So... fair enough.
We'll take Poe at his word that his marriage went unconsummated for the first year until he thought his bride was emotionally ready; and we'll take Ginsberg at his word that he was a world class pervert.