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The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
following URL:
http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp

In defense of former Jesuit
Alberto Rivera
When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
message.
The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward. Following is the letter
he wrote in defense of Alberto Rivera.
Since the Christianity Today letter is still being distributed to
attack Alberto's God-given message, even going so far as to deny he
was ever a priest, we feel it is appropriate to make Houston's
rebuttal available as well. It is vital that Bible-believing
Christians understand the true nature of the Roman Catholic Church, so
they will understand why they need to reach out in love to Catholics
to lead them to saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Editor
Christianity Today
465 Gundersen Drive
Carol Stream, Illinois 60187
Dear Sir:
I have read your three page article exposing J.T. Chick's
"Alberto" to be a fraud (see Christianity Today, March 13, 1981). I
would like to make the following comments on the same hoping that God
in His sovereignty would allow this letter to be printed (in full) in
a future issue of Christianity Today:
1. Considering the evidence set forth in your article, though I
find many things stated of which Alberto Rivera may or may not be
guilty, I can find no evidence in the article that proves him to be a
fraud, unless of course, I'm misunderstanding the word: "fraud." You
do state what Rome herself has to say about Alberto. Who in a right
frame of mind (unless they are totally ignorant of history) would give
heed to her words in the light of the following evidence:
a. Her teaching that "the end justifies the means" allows her the
freedom to lie, just as long as it propagates her cause.
b. H.G. Wells, noted historian, in his book, "Crux Ansata,"
states:
Page 105 - "Roman Catholicism is a broken and utterly desperate thing,
capable only of malignant mischief in our awakening world."
Page 155 - "I think that it stands for everything most hostile to the
mental emancipation and stimulation of mankind. It is the completest,
most highly organized system of prejudices and antagonisms in
existence. Everywhere in the world there are ignorance and prejudice,
but the greatest complex of these, with the most extensive prestige
and the most intimate entanglement with traditional institutions, is
the Roman Catholic Church. It presents many faces towards the world,
but everywhere it is systematic in its fight against freedom."
c. Lord Macaulay, in his "Essays on Ranke's History of the Popes,
1852," page 548, states:
"It is impossible to deny that the polity of the Church of Rome is the
very masterpiece of human wisdom....The experience of 1,200 eventful
years, the ingenuity and patient care of forty generations of
statesmen, have improved that polity to such perfection, that, among
the contrivances which have been devised for deceiving and controlling
mankind, it occupies the highest place."
Again, Macaulay in his "History of England," (Volume 1, page 47)
states:
"the loveliest and most fertile provinces of Europe have under her
(Rome's) rule, been sunk in poverty, in political servitude, and in
intellectual torpor."
d. Charles Dickens' "Life," (by Foster, Volume II, page 274)
described Popery as:
"the most horrible means of political and social degradation left in
the world."
e. Adam Smith ("Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter 1, Part 3,
Ant. 3):
"The Church of Rome is the most formidable combination that ever was
formed against the authority and security of civil government, as well
as against the liberty, reason, and happiness of mankind."
f. Gladstone ("Speeches of Pope Pius IX," page 173):
"When the Pope speaks of the liberation of the Church, he means merely
this, that it is to set its foot on the neck of every other power."
g. In Dean Stanley's "Life of Dr. Arnold," (Volume II, page 411,
London, 1844) we read:
"This is the last night, I trust, in which I shall sleep in the Pope's
dominions; for it is impossible not to be sickened with a government
such as this, which discharges no one function decently. The ignorance
of the people is prodigious (enormous): how can it be otherwise?"
h. Father Chiniquy in his book, "Fifty Years in the Church of
Rome," factuates the Vatican being responsible for the death of that
dear man, Abraham Lincoln. He states on Page 512:
"I come fearlessly today before the American people to say and prove
that the President, Abraham Lincoln, was assassinated by the priests
and Jesuits of Rome."
And if you have read this book, then you have noted that the Vatican
also maligned the reputation of Chiniquy for his revealing the evil of
Rome. This book was very popular when I first got converted (1957).
Today, you probably could not purchase this book in most Christian
book stores, due mainly to the influence of the Charismatic Movement,
which has been raised up by Satan to lure true Christians into the
judgement of idolatrous Rome, though God's Word forbids His people to
have fellowship with these wafer-god idolaters (See II Corinthians
6:14-18). It seems rather strange that many Roman Catholics are coming
out of Rome, and at the same time, many born-again Christians are
going into Rome. You would think that the testimonies of so many
former Roman Catholics would be a sufficient warning to these poor
deluded souls, but alas, Satan still posing as an angel of light,
captivated the hearts and minds of many. Of course, at the root of
this apostasy is "sinful pleasure," for the Charismatic Movement
allows its followers to do their "own thing," with the word,
"repentance," being almost (if not totally) absent from their
vocabulary. And though these reprobates have been "bought with a
price," they now "deny the Lord that bought them," for they have
"chosen the way of Cain." May God use this message to turn some of
these souls back into the way before they come to experience just what
Paul meant when he said: "That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (II Thessalonians
2:12)
i. D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones (author of the well-recognized
commentary on Romans, published by Zondervan) in his sermon preached
in Westminster Chapel on January 29, 1961 and printed in The
Westminster Record, May, 1963, states:
"This system (Romanism) is altogether more dangerous than is Communism
itself, because this is a counterfeit, this does it in the name of
Christ. This is 'the scarlet woman,' this is the most horrible, foul
deception of all, because it uses His name."
"Let me warn you very solemnly that if you rejoice in these approaches
to Rome you are denying the blood of the martyrs."
"There is no difficulty about this; this is a counterfeit, a sham;
this is prostitution of the worst and most diabolical kind. It is
indeed a form of the antichrist, and it is to be rejected, it is to be
denounced; but above all, it is to be countered."
j. A. B. Simpson, (founder of the "Christian and Missionary
Alliance," with headquarters at Nyack, N.Y.) states very clearly in
his book, "The Fourfold Gospel," page 84, the following:
"The predicted 'falling away,' has long ago begun, and the man of sin
has set in God's temple already the full time of the prophetic cycle,
and the process has begun which is to 'consume and destroy unto the
end.' The Papacy has fulfilled almost all the lineaments of its
marvelous portrait."
Again, in "The Christian and Missionary Alliance" magazine, editorial
page, August 1, 1903, we read:
"The death of the Pope after a protracted illness and a prolonged
career of successful administration of the great religious body over
which he presided, marked an epoch of great importance. While all
bitter controversial spirit may well be hushed in the presence of
death, ....yet we cannot but utter a humble protest against the
reckless and indiscriminate way in which many Christians and Christian
journals seem to forget notwithstanding the highest personal
qualities, that this man was the head of and front for the most
pernicious and dangerous system of religion on earth today, the very
antichrist of prophecy and the unchanged enemy of Christ and His most
holy faith."
Certainly there is no mistaking the intent of dear Brother Simpson's
words in this editorial for which I give thanks to our dear Lord for
recording such a witness for later generations. Hallelujah!
k. J.C. Ryle, in his book, "Warnings to the Churches," (Published
by The Banner of Truth Trust, page 163) states:
"Surely, when the mind of God about idolatry is so plainly revealed to
us in His Word, it seems the height of infatuation in any one to join
a church so steeped in idolatries as the Church of Rome. To enter into
communion with her, when God is saying, 'Come out of her, that ye be
not partakers of her sins, and receive not of her plagues' (Rev.
18:4), to seek her when the Lord is warning us to leave her -- to
become her subjects when the Lord's voice is crying, 'Escape for thy
life, flee from the wrath to come;' all this is mental blindness."
Again on page 166, we read:
"When Rome has repealed the decrees of Trent, and her additions to the
creed , -- when Rome has recanted her false and unscriptural
doctrines, -- when Rome has formally renounced image-worship,
Mary-worship, and trans-substantiation, -- then, and not till then, it
will be time to talk of reunion with her. Till then there is a gulf
between us which cannot be honestly bridged. Till then I call on all
Churchmen to resist to the death this idea of reunion with Rome. Till
then let our watch-words be 'No peace with Rome! No communion with
idolaters!' Well says the admirable Bishop Jewell, in his Apology, "We
do not decline concord and peace with men; but we will not continue in
a state of war with God that we might have peace with men! -- If the
Pope does indeed desire we should be reconciled to him, he ought first
to reconcile himself to God.'"
l. John Wesley in his "Explanatory Notes Upon the New Testament,"
Revelation 13:1, Proposition 5, Page 697:
"The beast is the Romish papacy. This manifestly follows from the
third and fourth propositions: the beast has a strict connection with
the city of Rome; and the beast is now existing. Therefore, either
there is some other power more strictly connected with that city, or
the Pope is the beast."
m. Albert Barnes in his one volume commentary on the New
Testament, published by Kregel, also declares without any hesitation,
that Rome is Babylon (see Revelation 13 and 17). My copy is on loan at
the present time.
n. Henry H. Halley in the famous "Halley's Bible Handbook,"
published by Zondervan, contrasts the Roman Papacy with the Beast of
Revelation 13 and in Revelation 17, Page 732, he states:
"The horrors of the Inquisition, ordered and maintained by the Popes,
over a period of five hundred years, in which unnumbered millions were
tortured and burned, constitute the MOST BRUTAL BEASTLY AND DEVILISH
PICTURE in all history. It is inconceivable that any Ecclesiastical
Organization, in its mania for power, could have distorted and
desecrated and corrupted, for its own exaltation, the beautiful and
holy religion of Jesus, as the Papacy has done. But Facts are Facts.
And, most amazing of all, it seems exactly pre-figured in Revelation.
No wonder John's vision made him sick at heart (10:10)."
o. Matthew Henry, commenting on II Thessalonians 2:4:
"...to whom can this better apply than to the Bishops of Rome...?"
p. Bishop Ellicott has this to say concerning Revelation 17:
"Is it then, the question must be asked, Papal Rome? The answer is: In
so far as Papal Rome has wielded tyrant power, turned persecutor,
stood between the spirits of men and Christ, depraved men's
consciences, withheld the truth, connived at visiousness, sought
aggrandizement, and been a political machine rather than a witness for
the righteous King, she has inherited the features of Babylon. The
recognition of these features led Dante to apply this very passage in
the Apocalypse to Rome under the rule of worldly and tyrant Popes..."
q. William Smith, in his "Smith's Bible Dictionary," published by
Holman, (Four Thousand Questions and Answers), page 405:
"59. What was the fourth beast like? -- It was terrible and strong,
and had iron teeth and ten horns.
61. Who is the representative of that fourth or final power now? --
The Pope of Rome. The popish system, as far as it has any remaining
power."
These are his comments on Daniel.
r. Walter Criswell, pastor of the famed First Baptist Church of
Dallas, Texas commenting on Revelation 17:
"...the worship of mother and child spread throughout the whole world,
from Babylon to Assyria, to Phoenicia, to Pergamos, and finally to
Rome itself. There the Roman Emperor was elected Pontifex Maximus...
and when the Roman Emperor passed away, that title of the rites and
mysteries of the cult of mother and child, the Babylon mystery of
idolatry, was assumed by the Bishop of Rome."
s. Dr. H. Ward Beecher, "The Papal Conspiracy Exposed," pages
176-177:
"The system, as a system, is false and pernicious."
t. Dean Alford, "Letters From Abroad," pages 66-67:
"Rome...is the worst city in the civilized world."
u. John Albert Bengel, "New Testament Word Studies," Volume II,
page 895 (Published by Kregel):
"5. The Beast is the Roman Papacy."
v. Wycliffe, Luther, Melanchthon, Knox, Latimer, Ridley, Cranmer,
etc., also spoke of the Roman Church being Babylon and the Papacy
being the Anti-christ.
w. When I was first converted about 25 years ago, there was in
the front of the King James version of the Bible, the statement that
the Pope was the "man of sin." Today, that has been removed. Just
another point of the great apostasy that is taking place in regards to
the true Church flirting with Rome. We should note how Paul ties in
the "falling away" with "that man of sin" in II Thessalonians 2. My
personal belief is that the main element of this apostasy is the true
Church seeking a common fellowship with this "mother of whores" (Rome)
and its "man of sin" (the Pope). As God's Israel of the Old Testament
apostasized into Babylon and her idolatry; so it seems that God's
spiritual Israel of the New Testament is doing the same thing. But God
still has His faithful remnant who still are crying out, "Come out of
her, My people." (Revelation 18:4)
And last, but not least, a word from the enemy herself...
x. The Bull Sanctum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November,
1302, (quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184)
reads as follows:
"The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We
declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman
Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation.
y. Pope Nicholas said, (quoted in "Antichrist" by Ian Paisley,
page 54),
I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of
God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God
can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?
But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to
ask the following question, "Has not Rome changed recently?" To answer
this most vital question, I turn once again to the mesage of D. Martyn
Lloyd Jones:
"'Ah but,' you say, 'has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century-- don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?' My
answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past -- but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same. If anything, she is even worse. She has
'added' things to what she taught in the 16th century, such as Papal
infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome. And
if there ever is one great world Church it will be because the Church
of Rome has absorbed all the rest and swallowed them in their
ignorance!"
2. Looking once again at this most vital question, "Has not the
Church of Rome changed?" -- just consider some of the trouble spots in
the world today:
1. Cuba with it's Castro. I wonder if Castro has ever been
excommunicated from the Catholic Church?
2. Poland with its Lech Walesa. Why did Pope Paul II tell Walesa
"to remain a member of the Communist system, not to flaunt his
rejection of basic Communist principles" according to William F.
Buckley, Jr. (N.Y. Daily News, February 3, 1981)?
No one can claim that Buckley is being prejudiced against Rome for he
himself is a staunch Roman Catholic. Buckley goes on to say, "One
thinks back to 1948, when the Christian Democrats and the Communists
were fighting for the soul of Italy. On that occasion Pope Pius the
XII issued a write of automatic excommunication from the church of any
Catholic who voted for the Communists or who sided with or abetted
them in their work. That interdict has never been disavowed. A
canonical lawyer given to erstic advocacy could theoretically prove
that by giving such advice as the present Pope gave to Walesa, the
Pope excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church. Ridiculous, of
course; but only that grand mosaic of paradoxes and accommodations can
account for the survival of the church over the centuries."
I would comment on this by saying that Buckley would have been a wee
bit truer had he used the word, "hypocricies," in place of the word,
"paradoxes." Nevertheless, Buckley, a staunch Roman Catholic, has
unwittingly proven the Pope to be the "hypocrite of the ages." This
entire affair seems almost like a replay of the second world war. Rome
has proven herself not only to be the "mother of whores," but also the
"mother of wars." Avro Manhattan factuates this truth in his book,
"Vatican in World Politics." One more statement by Buckley in this
same editorial is worthy of mention. He says, "Writing in 1954,
Whittaker Chambers predicted that the future of the West's relations
with the Soviet Union would best be understood by closely examining
the role of Cardinal Wyszynski in Poland."
3. Ireland, with its I.R.A. which is predominantly Roman
Catholic. Jimmy Breslin, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981) makes
some interesting comments on how blood-thirsty Roman Catholics are:
"The President and Haig the General somehow might be able to get their
small war going in El Salvador, but it won't be a real good one. This
is because American Catholics, who used to erupt with joy at the
notion of drawing blood, are against it...there just won't be as many
people killed as there could be with traditional Catholic
participation." No one can accuse Breslin of being prejudiced, for he
also is a Roman Catholic.
4. El Salvador, predominantly Roman Catholic. While President
Reagan desires to stop this country from being taken over by the
Communists, the main voice speaking out against the U.S. is Roman
Catholic. Breslin states, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981):
"American Catholic bishops policy calls for the end of military aid to
the El Salvador government. The Rev. Thomas Marti of the Maryknoll
wrote: 'It is evident that those of us who are deeply concerned with
regard to social justice and human rights in El Salvador, as well as
throughout the world, are working in an entirely different framework
than President Reagan and his administration.'" In the New York Times,
dated February 3, 1981, the U.S. Committee in Solidarity with the
People of El Salvador (that word, solidarity sounds familiar!) had a
one page advertisement entitled, "Let the People of El Salvador
Decide," (approximate cost - $25,000). The majority of the individuals
and institutions listed on this committee are Roman Catholic. Some of
the more outstanding individuals listed on this committee (though some
are not Roman Catholic) are: Andrew Young, former U.S. Ambassador to
the U.N., of whom New Hampshire Governor Thompson observed that "Young
is actually representing the SOCIALIST AND MARXIST NATIONS of the
'third world;'" Kris Kristofferson who pretended to be born again
(with the help of Campus Crusade for Christ), but then went back to
making obscene movies ("The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea");
Erica Jong, author of immoral books; Jane Fonda, Trouble-maker of the
Viet Nam conflict; Bella Abzug; Rev. Wm. Sloan Coffin, Senior Minister
at N.Y. City's Riverside Church, the peace activist who fractured his
wife's skull with a karate chop in 1974 (see N.Y. Post, Sept. 26,
1980). Of course, this advertisement was against the U.S. intervention
in El Salvador.
5. Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic. According
to the New York Times, March 20, 1981, page 9, a Jesuit priest
attempted to overthrow the present regime of President Marcos.
According to Station WINS, in N.Y. City, (April 8, 1981), the election
now taking place is running 5 to 1 in favor of President Marcos, so it
is for certain that the will of this Jesuit priest was not the will of
the people. The question arises, "Whose will was it that Marcos should
be overthrown?" There's only one answer. "The Vatican."
One other question that should be on our hearts in discussing this
matter is, "Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic?" The
only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman
Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the
people. Note the following statement by John Gunther in his book,
"Inside Europe Today," published by Harper and Brothers, page 150:
"The extreme right wing of the Church (of Rome) deplores too active
and accent on education, because (a) this may lead to apostasy, and
(b) an educated elite, becoming the ruling class, might turn out to be
anticlerical and a competitor of the Church."
We should also note the words of H. G. Wells in his book, "Crux
Ansata," page 105:
"The Pope is now the head of only about fifty millions of
semi-literates scattered about the planet...the Pope sets himself to
hold back and frustrate the secular modernization of the world."
Again, H. G. Wells, on page 132:
"Like an octopus it has no creative impulse but only an instinct to
survive. In Ireland, Spain, Italy, reactionary France, North and South
America, Japan, and wherever it can stretch a tentacle, it seeks
allies in every element that is socially base, that will help it to
continue its struggle against the awakening liberalism of the 'United
Demoncracies.'"
In light of all this evidence, should we give any logical credence to
what Rome has to say about the persons of Jack Chick and Alberto
Rivera? God forbid!
3. Secondly, getting back to Alberto Rivera and your accusation
against him and the Chick organization, I do not believe that Jack
Chick would jeopardize his well-grounded ministry without some
definite leading of the Holy Spirit. Surely a luke-warm Christian
would not put himself in such jeopardy. Just a small consideration of
what Rome has done to those who exposed her in the past would tell me
that Chick has laid his very life on the line. And what of his dear
family? Has he not also jeopardized them?
4. Thirdly, I must consider Alberto himself. Why would he also
put himself and his dear family in such jeopardy? Look at the enclosed
picture of this dear family. Note the precious smile on Alberto's
face. I have never met a child of darkness who had such light upon his
countenance. Again, why would he ever enter upon such a venture? What
could he possibly gain by such a move? No, logic moves me to conclude
that he is being led by the Holy Spirit of our dear Lord. God bless
his brave heart!
5. Fourthly, I must consider Satan's part in all this, in the
light of what Jesus says in Matthew 12:25-26, "Every kingdom divided
against itself is brought to desolation...And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" In
the light of the much proven fact that Rome has always been a devilish
system and the curse of everything it touches, I doubt very seriously
that the Devil himself would author a book that at least has started
people once again thinking about the great evil of Rome. The Devil may
not be wise, but he is shrewd and cunning.
6. Fifthly, I must also consider the true holy living Christians
that I personally know. And though they be few, yet they are in
agreement that this is of God.
7. Sixthly, though Rome has proven herself to be the greatest
fraud ever put off on mankind, I do not recall your magazine going to
any great length to expose her as such, even though such a move on
your part would be a most blessed benefit to all of mankind,
especially the body of Christ. Again, I must ask the question, why is
your magazine so anxious to expose dear Alberto? A good question, for
even if I thought for a moment that his book, "Alberto," was set forth
in pretense, could not my heart rejoice (as the Apostle Paul does in
Philippians 1:18) that once again this "mother of all spiritual
whoredoms" is being brought again to the attention of the true sheep
of God? I must say that I am very suspicious of your motive in
printing this articlle. Also, I noted on the second page of your
article where Roman Catholic Editor of "Our Sunday Visitor" states:
"...The sad thing is that Chick's lies are hard to refute." It may be
that they are "hard to refute" simply because they are true! Amen!
8. And last, I must consider the fact that to my remembrance (and
I read extensively) I have never read anything against J. T. Chick
until he attacked Rome. The Devil's mad and I'm so glad! Hallelujah!
I could go on, but I'm afraid I may have labored you too much already,
so I will stop. I do pray that this letter will be received in the
spirit in which it is written; and God willing, may the truth set
forth in it reach the hearts of many dear souls, lest they end up with
the mark of the Beast. May God also encourage your heart to search
this matter out diligently, lest you be found to be fighting against
the very Spirit of Truth, Himself, even our dear Lord. I do believe if
you and I could go to visit with Alberto Rivera, we would walk away
fully convinced that he is true. I think you should consider the trip.
Written by one who loves Jesus and hates the devout enemies of Jesus
with that perfect hatred that David speaks of in Psalm 139:21-22, I
remain,
Someone who is praying for you,
(signed) James M. Houston
Messengers for Eternity
300 Hayes Drive
Saddle Brook, N.J. 07662
P.S. I failed to thank you for the free advertising you have given to
Chick's "Alberto." "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for
the truth" (II Corinthians 13:8). Hallelujah! Martin Luther said:
"Cursed be that love and unity for whose sake the Word of God must be
put to stake," and I say 10,000 "Amens!" JMH

For more information on this subject, read:
o The personal testimony of former Jesuit Alberto Rivera.
o See what others are saying about Alberto.
o Jack Chick's defense of Alberto.
o Brazilian bishop threatens holy war if soulwinning to
Catholics doesn't stop.
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nobody special
2003-09-13 21:10:28 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
Edward Curtis
2003-09-13 21:32:50 UTC
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In article <8JL8b.2353$***@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, nobody
special says...
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
If you feed the troll, you must take it home.
Joseph Meehan
2003-09-13 23:25:31 UTC
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Have you noticed how the authority of the argument has an inverse
relationship to the number of different on-line personas the writer uses?

Ted - William Suzanne - Susan Williams - ?????
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Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Post by Edward Curtis
special says...
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
If you feed the troll, you must take it home.
Susan Williams
2003-09-14 00:52:59 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:25:31 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
Post by Joseph Meehan
Have you noticed how the authority of the argument has an inverse
relationship to the number of different on-line personas the writer uses?
Yes I noticed your Vatican psychiatry paranoia. What else is new?
Post by Joseph Meehan
Ted - William Suzanne - Susan Williams - ?????
William Suzanne is just as unscrupulous and deadly as you are. He is
a little more intelligent though.

In His Grace,


Susan

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Joseph Meehan
2003-09-14 09:32:08 UTC
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You are right I hereby apologize to both of you. It seems I did not
bother to read far enough to see the difference in writing style and logic.

However the observation still stands, even if it does not stand in your
case.
--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Post by Susan Williams
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:25:31 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
Post by Joseph Meehan
Have you noticed how the authority of the argument has an inverse
relationship to the number of different on-line personas the writer uses?
Yes I noticed your Vatican psychiatry paranoia. What else is new?
Post by Joseph Meehan
Ted - William Suzanne - Susan Williams - ?????
William Suzanne is just as unscrupulous and deadly as you are. He is
a little more intelligent though.
In His Grace,
Susan
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2003-09-14 20:17:24 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:32:08 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
Post by Joseph Meehan
You are right I hereby apologize to both of you. It seems I did not
bother to read far enough to see the difference in writing style and logic.
However the observation still stands, even if it does not stand in your
case.
The object stands with us too. From the subjects in contention, only
Vatican psychiatrists would look at who we are. Posts with the most
critical emphases are only expected to yield an examination of us
through the lessons of Homeland Security by servants of the Vatican!

Seeber and Teresita boldly condemned all non-Catholics to death. No
problem for someone else who thinks like them!

In His Grace,


Susan


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G R Jenks
2003-09-16 09:45:37 UTC
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I think the Irish call that total as One Faith.
Post by Joseph Meehan
Have you noticed how the authority of the argument has an inverse
relationship to the number of different on-line personas the writer uses?
Ted - William Suzanne - Susan Williams - ?????
--
Joseph E. Meehan
26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Post by Edward Curtis
special says...
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
If you feed the troll, you must take it home.
Susan Williams
2003-09-16 14:31:11 UTC
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Post by G R Jenks
I think the Irish call that total as One Faith.
Post by Joseph Meehan
Have you noticed how the authority of the argument has an inverse
relationship to the number of different on-line personas the writer uses?
Yes we've noticed that issues of blood do not concern you. You are
the self-appointed Vatican psychiatrist who is constantly paranoid
that your killer race and clan are being exposed.

My sanity tells me that issues of blood and death are here. How can
we make murderers and super-terrorists such as Joseph Meehan see this?
His entire race of killers could never be educated about the wrongness
of mass-murder for CENTURIES!
Post by G R Jenks
Post by Joseph Meehan
Ted - William Suzanne - Susan Williams - ?????
--
Joseph E. Meehan
26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
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Susan

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Susan Williams
2003-09-14 00:46:34 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:32:50 -0400, Edward Curtis
Post by Edward Curtis
special says...
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
If you feed the troll, you must take it home.
Did Christ teach you to name-call and then preach against it? or did
the Antichrist from the Devil?

In His Grace,


Susan

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Susan Williams
2003-09-14 00:45:51 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:10:28 GMT, "nobody special"
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
Yes, still days of Freedom from paranoid Jesuits screaming we don't
allow others to disagree. They are so convinced we are insane, they
can't rest when we post. Centuries can't convince them of anything.
Blood flowing cannot. How can reason alert them to any form of truth?

I wrote a very startling article. Not intelligent enough to deal with
it thoroughly huh!

In His Grace,


Susan

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Nabs
2003-09-18 18:32:11 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:10:28 GMT, "nobody special"
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
Yes, still days of Freedom from paranoid Jesuits screaming we don't
allow others to disagree. They are so convinced we are insane, they
can't rest when we post. Centuries can't convince them of anything.
Blood flowing cannot. How can reason alert them to any form of truth?
I wrote a very startling article.
No you didn't- you copied and pasted Jack Chick rubbish.
Post by Susan Williams
Not intelligent enough to deal with
it thoroughly huh!
Would you believe anything I said? Nope.
Susan Williams
2003-09-19 06:34:12 UTC
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Post by Nabs
Post by Susan Williams
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:10:28 GMT, "nobody special"
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
Yes, still days of Freedom from paranoid Jesuits screaming we don't
allow others to disagree. They are so convinced we are insane, they
can't rest when we post. Centuries can't convince them of anything.
Blood flowing cannot. How can reason alert them to any form of truth?
I wrote a very startling article.
No you didn't- you copied and pasted Jack Chick rubbish.
You mean like all the posts we sent showing that Rome murdered
countless numbers of Christians just for disagreeing with them in
religious matters and Seeber and Teresita have proven them true? Jack
Chick was proven to have been telling the truth? Is that the rubbish
you are talking about?

WHY DID YOU PEOPLE LIE??? Any comment about the new proven
revelations? As if I would be surprised by the response!
Post by Nabs
Post by Susan Williams
Not intelligent enough to deal with
it thoroughly huh!
Would you believe anything I said? Nope.
See above and figure out why not!


In His Grace,


Susan

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William Suzanne
2003-09-20 13:16:15 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by Nabs
Post by Susan Williams
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:10:28 GMT, "nobody special"
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
Yes, still days of Freedom from paranoid Jesuits screaming we don't
allow others to disagree. They are so convinced we are insane, they
can't rest when we post. Centuries can't convince them of anything.
Blood flowing cannot. How can reason alert them to any form of truth?
I wrote a very startling article.
No you didn't- you copied and pasted Jack Chick rubbish.
You mean like all the posts we sent showing that Rome murdered
countless numbers of Christians just for disagreeing with them in
religious matters and Seeber and Teresita have proven them true? Jack
Chick was proven to have been telling the truth? Is that the rubbish
you are talking about?
No, can't you read? He means "No you didn't- you copied and pasted
Jack Chick rubbish."


In His True Grace,
William Suzanne
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 13:45:16 UTC
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Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by Nabs
Post by Susan Williams
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:10:28 GMT, "nobody special"
Post by nobody special
Post by Susan Williams
The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
Reduced to Jack Chick references, eh? Sad days indeed, "Susan".
Yes, still days of Freedom from paranoid Jesuits screaming we don't
allow others to disagree. They are so convinced we are insane, they
can't rest when we post. Centuries can't convince them of anything.
Blood flowing cannot. How can reason alert them to any form of truth?
I wrote a very startling article.
No you didn't- you copied and pasted Jack Chick rubbish.
You mean like all the posts we sent showing that Rome murdered
countless numbers of Christians just for disagreeing with them in
religious matters and Seeber and Teresita have proven them true? Jack
Chick was proven to have been telling the truth? Is that the rubbish
you are talking about?
No, can't you read? He means "No you didn't- you copied and pasted
Jack Chick rubbish."
The man who lied to us telling us that Seeber's condemnation of all
non-Catholics was not speaking for Rome while not being upset with
Seeber for the confirmed revelation has spoken and lied again. My
reply:

No, Can't you read? It says above:

You mean like all the posts we sent showing that Rome murdered
countless numbers of Christians just for disagreeing with them in
religious matters and Seeber and Teresita have proven them true?
Jack Chick was proven to have been telling the truth? Is that the
rubbish you are talking about?
Post by William Suzanne
In His True Grace from the Antichrist,
William Suzanne
In His Grace,



Susan

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Teresita
2003-09-21 18:23:53 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, William Suzanne
says...
Post by William Suzanne
No, can't you read? He means "No you didn't- you copied and pasted
Jack Chick rubbish."
When you say "Jack Chick rubbish" you are repeating yourself, exactly as though
you said you live in a "big house home."

--
Encyclopedia Teresita
http://web.newsguy.com/teresita
Susan Williams
2003-09-23 17:20:33 UTC
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Post by Edward Curtis
says...
Post by William Suzanne
No, can't you read? He means "No you didn't- you copied and pasted
Jack Chick rubbish."
When you say "Jack Chick rubbish" you are repeating yourself, exactly as though
you said you live in a "big house home."
Why not willing to prove any of the lies you tell?

Is his "rubbish" the same as he ws telling us Rome is an enemy of the
Constitution and then he was accused of hating Catholics and then
Seeber and then you told us Rome has a right to put non-Catholics to
death? What about Seeber condemning all liberty and the Constitution
all confirming what Jack Chick said.

That's the facts and you know it. Seeber isn't around anymore and
picture of even his face we couldn't find on his website.


In His Grace,


Susan

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unknown
2003-09-13 22:47:20 UTC
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Susan Williams <***@hotmail.com> wrote:


:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:following URL:
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.

The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!

Rivera's claims to having seven Ph.D's show what a liar he is. As Rand Winburn, director of Protestant Reformation Publications once challenged Jacke Chick: He (Rivera) claims "that he received his first doctorate in 1947. The rest, he claimed, he received over the next 9 years or so. Unfortunately, he admitted, he had no way of proving that fact, which he attempted to explain by way of a kind of thick, garbled, Spanish-Anglo doubletalk. Quite frankly, his English was so poor it was difficult for me to believe he had even attained a high school diploma, let alone six or seven doctorates. Later in the same program, a caller, using elementary mathematics, computed Rivera to be 12 years old when he received his Ph.D.! Alas, Rivera was again forced to manifest his uncanny natural ability of double-talking his way out of an extremely uncomfortable situation. Curiously, though he began the radio interview by stating he had no tangible proof of his many earned degrees, yet by the end of the program he confessed to having 190 documents which ‘prove’ who he is."

Yet, neither Rivera or Jack Chick will produce these so-called documents.

His claims, if true, would make him super human: he became a Jesuit, infiltrated and destroyed many churches, all while being able to study and earn seven doctorates.

Q: How long does it take to become a Jesuit?

A: Once a man finishes the two-year novitiate, he takes vows of poverty, chastity and obedience either as a Jesuit brother or as a scholastic who will prepare for ordination. At this time, the man is considered a Jesuit. On the average, it takes about nine more years of study and work before scholastics are ordained priests and brothers complete their formation.
Susan Williams
2003-09-14 00:52:02 UTC
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Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Post by unknown
Rivera's claims to having seven Ph.D's show what a liar he is.
Since William Suzanne broadcast to us that Ellen White, now dead for
almost a hundred years, is the Antichrist the whole world will follow.
I thought scripture told us the Antichrist IS A MAN!
Post by unknown
As Rand Winburn, director of Protestant Reformation Publications once challenged Jacke Chick: He (Rivera) claims "that he received his first doctorate in 1947. The rest, he claimed, he received over the next 9 years or so. Unfortunately, he admitted, he had no way of proving that fact, which he attempted to explain by way of a kind of thick, garbled, Spanish-Anglo doubletalk. Quite frankly, his English was so poor it was difficult for me to believe he had even attained a high school diploma, let alone six or seven doctorates. Later in the same program, a caller, using elementary mathematics, computed Rivera to be 12 years old when he received his Ph.D.! Alas, Rivera was again forced to manifest his uncanny natural ability of double-talking his way out of an extremely uncomfortable situation. Curiously, though he began the radio interview by stating he had no tangible proof of his many earned degrees, yet by the end of the
program he confessed to having 190 documents which ‘prove’ who he is."
I didn't know unscrupulous people can know that others had
inconsistencies!!
Post by unknown
Yet, neither Rivera or Jack Chick will produce these so-called documents.
You mean like the Jesuit Oath which you all keep and refuse to condemn
the hate according to the actions within it is fake?
Post by unknown
His claims, if true, would make him super human: he became a Jesuit, infiltrated and destroyed many churches, all while being able to study and earn seven doctorates.
Kind a like trying to convince the world you are here to allow people
to disagree, huh?
Post by unknown
Q: How long does it take to become a Jesuit?
A: Once a man finishes the two-year novitiate, he takes vows of poverty, chastity and obedience either as a Jesuit brother or as a scholastic who will prepare for ordination. At this time, the man is considered a Jesuit. On the average, it takes about nine more years of study and work before scholastics are ordained priests and brothers complete their formation.
The Roman Church has made all nations DRUNK! William Suzanne told us
Seeber, who condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death,
doesn't represent but MISrepresents Rome. I couldn't get the masters
of inconsistencies to tell us why Seeber did therefore upset them and
hate Catholics!

In His Grace,


Susan

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Joseph Meehan
2003-09-14 09:36:32 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
Yet, neither Rivera or Jack Chick will produce these so-called documents.
You mean like the Jesuit Oath which you all keep and refuse to condemn
the hate according to the actions within it is fake?
A typical example of your logic. You equate someone refusing to produce
documents they claim do exist and should be part of the public record, to
the Jesuits not producing documents they say don't exist. Could it be that
the reason the documents are not produced is that neither exist.
--
Joseph E. Meehan

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Post by Susan Williams
Susan
Susan Williams
2003-09-14 20:20:43 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:36:32 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
Post by Joseph Meehan
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
Yet, neither Rivera or Jack Chick will produce these so-called documents.
You mean like the Jesuit Oath which you all keep and refuse to condemn
the hate according to the actions within it is fake?
A typical example of your logic.
You mean like your logic that I can post about subjects dealing with
far more than national security and you talk about us instead?
Post by Joseph Meehan
You equate someone refusing to produce
documents they claim do exist and should be part of the public record, to
the Jesuits not producing documents they say don't exist. Could it be that
the reason the documents are not produced is that neither exist.
I don't know. What is the reason why Ted Seeber and Teresita
condemning all non-Catholics passed by your notice except to excuse
and defend them? What is the reason why Lamarr Vatican Edwards said
that Seeber condemning the Constitution and all liberty and then
condemning the lives of all non-Catholics is no problem since he
didn't kill anybody, but he calls me "wormwood" and screams through
the air with Anti-Christ paranoia that we will destroy society? Why,
you Meehan even posted that our posts couldn't be understood. You are
obviously here again to address some emergency!

In His Grace,


Susan

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Joseph Meehan
2003-09-18 14:19:16 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:36:32 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
...
Post by Susan Williams
I don't know. What is the reason why Ted Seeber and Teresita
condemning all non-Catholics passed by your notice except to excuse
and defend them? What is the reason why Lamarr Vatican Edwards said
that Seeber condemning the Constitution and all liberty and then
condemning the lives of all non-Catholics is no problem since he
didn't kill anybody, but he calls me "wormwood" and screams through
the air with Anti-Christ paranoia that we will destroy society? Why,
you Meehan even posted that our posts couldn't be understood. You are
obviously here again to address some emergency!
Yes often your messages are difficult or impossible to understand. The
message quoted is evidence of that.

It is very interesting that even though your have said you and Ted are
not one in the same person, your "unique" writing and argument styles are
the same.

As I have said before, I strongly suggest you seek professional help.
Find a medical professional of any religion (or none) that you feel can be
trusted. Surely you can trust someone. Show them what you write, explain
how you believe the Catholic Church is taking over the word etc. If your
arguments can be believed and if they are logical, this doctor should join
your cause. On the other hand if he or she questions your hold on reality,
maybe you should listen. (Something you seen to have a problem with.)
--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Susan Williams
2003-09-18 15:29:55 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:19:16 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
Post by Joseph Meehan
Post by Susan Williams
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:36:32 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
...
Post by Susan Williams
I don't know. What is the reason why Ted Seeber and Teresita
condemning all non-Catholics passed by your notice except to excuse
and defend them? What is the reason why Lamarr Vatican Edwards said
that Seeber condemning the Constitution and all liberty and then
condemning the lives of all non-Catholics is no problem since he
didn't kill anybody, but he calls me "wormwood" and screams through
the air with Anti-Christ paranoia that we will destroy society? Why,
you Meehan even posted that our posts couldn't be understood. You are
obviously here again to address some emergency!
Yes often your messages are difficult or impossible to understand. The
message quoted is evidence of that.
Well here is a hard question for super-terrorists:

HOW IS THAT?
Post by Joseph Meehan
It is very interesting that even though your have said you and Ted are
not one in the same person, your "unique" writing and argument styles are
the same.
I'm not worried about who you are. My concerns are for blood when
meeting the strange people reincarnated telling us about freedom to
disagree and yet have such a terrible lack of natural affection and
regard for human non-Catholic life.

SHOW US HOW YOU SUPER-TERRORISTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER! I see
a unique similarity. Issues of blood yields posts concerned about who
a person is or gender.
Post by Joseph Meehan
As I have said before, I strongly suggest you seek professional help.
I will not go to the killer cult to find psychiatrists to correct me
and make me a super-terrorist.

If you cannot understand clear English O damned one, I will suggest
you seek help from the looney farm so that they can make you crazy in
your eyes.
Post by Joseph Meehan
Find a medical professional of any religion (or none) that you feel can be
trusted.
GIVE ME THE ADDRESS OF ONE SUCH WHO WOULD PROTECT A MAN WHO CONDEMNED
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY MERELY VIEWED RELIGION DIFFERENTLY.

Give me your help then. Refer me to an address and I will forward it
to Homeland Security and even your Pope.
Post by Joseph Meehan
Surely you can trust someone.
Alright then, show me all the MANY addresses of psychiatrists who
think just like you and qualify for their credentials.
Post by Joseph Meehan
Show them what you write, explain
how you believe the Catholic Church is taking over the word etc.
Why should I do that when I keep you exercised on the keyboard? Maybe
you can do your poor deadly paranoid soul a favor and gather some
addresses of those psychiatrists who think just like you and also who
are not illegitimately born as you.
Post by Joseph Meehan
If your
arguments can be believed and if they are logical, this doctor should join
your cause. On the other hand if he or she questions your hold on reality,
maybe you should listen. (Something you seen to have a problem with.)
Put up or shut up. Send me those addresses so that your satanic soul
can be comforted. Make sure your psychiatrists also would defend the
Ustashis of WWII just as you have.

I don't know how many times I have ot tell you this!

OH I DO KNONW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS. I HAVE TO TELL
YOU THIS FOREVER. THERE IS A DOCUMENT CALLED THE JESUIT OATH THAT YOU
FOLLOW!

In His Grace,



Susan

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Alan M
2003-09-19 10:18:38 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
HOW IS THAT?
Post by Joseph Meehan
It is very interesting that even though your have said you and Ted are
not one in the same person, your "unique" writing and argument styles are
the same.
I'm not worried about who you are. My concerns are for blood when
meeting the strange people reincarnated telling us about freedom to
disagree and yet have such a terrible lack of natural affection and
regard for human non-Catholic life.
Are you a vampire Susie ?
Post by Susan Williams
SHOW US HOW YOU SUPER-TERRORISTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER! I see
a unique similarity. Issues of blood yields posts concerned about who
a person is or gender.
Post by Joseph Meehan
As I have said before, I strongly suggest you seek professional help.
I will not go to the killer cult to find psychiatrists to correct me
and make me a super-terrorist.
If you cannot understand clear English O damned one, I will suggest
you seek help from the looney farm so that they can make you crazy in
your eyes.
I'm afraid you've taken the old fashioned approach Susie and have simply
gone crazy in your mind.
Susan Williams
2003-09-19 19:11:27 UTC
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Post by Alan M
Post by Susan Williams
HOW IS THAT?
Post by Joseph Meehan
It is very interesting that even though your have said you and Ted
are
Post by Susan Williams
Post by Joseph Meehan
not one in the same person, your "unique" writing and argument styles are
the same.
I'm not worried about who you are. My concerns are for blood when
meeting the strange people reincarnated telling us about freedom to
disagree and yet have such a terrible lack of natural affection and
regard for human non-Catholic life.
Are you a vampire Susie ?
Post by Susan Williams
SHOW US HOW YOU SUPER-TERRORISTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER! I see
a unique similarity. Issues of blood yields posts concerned about who
a person is or gender.
Post by Joseph Meehan
As I have said before, I strongly suggest you seek professional help.
I will not go to the killer cult to find psychiatrists to correct me
and make me a super-terrorist.
If you cannot understand clear English O damned one, I will suggest
you seek help from the looney farm so that they can make you crazy in
your eyes.
I'm afraid you've taken the old fashioned approach Susie and have simply
gone crazy in your mind.
Show us all when you have better evidence to back up or defend your
Vatican faith! Then show us how the defense is biblical. So far I
see that biblical defense can't work.

There is the Jesuit Oath that mandates you to continue to post to
someone you declare is insane. Let's draw it out some more, shall we?


From the First part of our message:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=c359gvkmg6541nbegk92df2tshc1cl1qm9%404ax.com


Some of you may well not be convinced that Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics on the newsgroups. Actually, to this day, even those on
the newsgroups who formerly denied it had to confess that Seeber did
just that, and they went into every manner of defense for Seeber. As
we expose the dialogues, we will more prove this. However, since we
started this work, another person came out more boldly and gave
approval of the deaths of millions of Christians. She posts under the
name of Teresita. When I made mention of that great Christian work
Foxe's Book of Martyrs, detailing centuries of uncountable murders of
bible-believing Christians, she referred to the work as, "Foxe's Book
of Hereticks." She therefore approved of their deaths because they
viewed religion differently:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b0165u09im%40drn.newsguy.com
1/14/2003

Naturally, we got on her case for her boldness here as we still have
the liberty to do in this free country. Teresita in response lied to
us, telling us that when she called Foxe's Book of Martyrs "Foxe's
Book of Heretics," she was only referring to the Albigenses of the
Protestant Reformation 5/29/2003 who were a minority group of
Christians during that time:
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb521t01pej%40drn.newsguy.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dg:thl3424526807d%26dq%3D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dbb521t01pej%2540drn.newsguy.com

How do we know she was lying? The Albigenses were hardly mentioned in
that massive work. Protestants usually have little to say about the
Albigenses BECAUSE BOTH THEMSELVES AND ALL THEIR WORKS WERE COMPLETELY
ANNIHILATED BY ROME! But more proof that she was lying comes in her
next response as she worked to divert from my advancing questions.
Teresita belied her claim that she was only referring to the
Albigenses when she condemned the Christian martyrs as "hereticks" by
condemning Tyndale, who was not one of the Albigenses:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bcfbru0230p%40drn.newsguy.com

LASTLY AND MOST STRONGLY:

When pressed further and further to reveal her beliefs she is trained
to hide on the matter of the value of human life, Teresita says the
Vatican merely carried out God's commands when they killed millions of
Christians because the Israelites did the same with their enemies:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl270768597d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb5kmo0vt2%40drn.newsguy.com

Here is that dialogue below:

From: Teresita (***@newsguy.com)
Subject: Re: Teresita responds inappropriatly

Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
Date: 2003-05-29 12:05:31 PST
Post by Alan M
Like Ted Seeber, you gave approval to their deaths and then come on the forums telling me I hate people just because they disagree.
We are still under Homeland Security right through to the destruction of this nation. We are asked to report all terrorist activity found
in people who have a profound disrespect of human life!
Teresita replies:
We merely carried out God's commandment in His Eternal Word:

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your
towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what
is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his
covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or
the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have
forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall
inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an
abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth
to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you
shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
= = = = = = = = = = = =

ARE YOU LISTENING HOMELAND SECURITY??? She claims the scriptures
mandated their actions IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!! Is it the New Testament
now? Do those scriptures still exist now and have weight now IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT?? That is what we had been revealing and they had been
denying. We revealed that Rome hasn't changed, but she and all her
friends claimed we were evil liars! We revealed that Rome is working
behind the scenes with millions of her followers working diligently to
topple the United States and convert it to a Police State type country
that is RELIGIOUS!! These are the same people telling us about CHANGE
and telling us about the globalization that MUST take place
notwithstanding they tell us they fight for freedom!

Again and again the worst criminals standing at the beginning of the
start of brutal empires bring rosy themes of "peace" in order to
overturn divine mandates for liberty! What are we talking about?
Have we already started to show you there are things they are leaving
out? We are trying to show you that the worst and most troublesome
time in the history of the earth is right upon us. In doing so we
want to show you that documentation is provided warning about the
events to take place. We are trying to show you not only what will be
responsible for this, BUT WHY SHE WILL WIN!

Our first exhibit is the following:

2 Timothy 3:1 says:

3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from
such turn away.

Here it is showing us that perilous--or LIFE THREATENING--times shall
come, and it is speaking to bible believers. It lists the personality
characteristics of many in the last days, and one of the
characteristics listed is "WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION." That is what
we have noticed in our exposes of atrocities and the reaction to them
by strange posters over the internet, all of whom had a form of
godliness. We have yet to see how we can prove that millions more
such people are around us everyday and that many important and crucial
figures in the network of all free nations are the same people and
have the same beliefs, thoughts and capabilities. These scriptures
are referring to the last days. The scriptures talking about the
Antichrist refers to the last days. We are trying to show that they
coincide and give more clues about events that will take place.

Many are aware of the prophecies of the Antichrist 666. Revelation 13
describes the Antichrist (the one specially noted that Christ will
face when He comes the second time). This is prophecy revealed in
symbols. But when we get to Revelation 17 starting at verse 3, it
talks about a great whore that sits upon a Beast. We cannot go into
detail to prove what the symbols mean right now. We will try and
direct you to reliable sources that can explain them. But theologians
too often agree that a woman in symbolic prophecy represents a church.
A whore would represent an evil or cultic church and a pure woman
would represent Christ's church. A beast in symbolic prophecy
represents a nation or kingdom. Therefore when you see a woman sit on
a beast, it represents a union of church with state where the church
controls the state to further her own ends. Historically we know that
whenever the church unites with the state, then religious persecution
is always the unavoidable result. Therefore in verse 6 of Chapter 17,
it says that the woman is drunk with the blood of the saints. In
other words she has killed many of God's people. That is ALWAYS the
unavoidable result of such a union.

Revelation 18:3 tells us that this woman has made "all nations" to
drink of the wine of the wrath "of her fornication," meaning she has
forced all nations to feel God's wrath, because of their "fornication"
or intermingling and accepting her false doctrines and agenda. Does
this wrath upon the nations have something to do with God's warnings
to His people that "perilous times" are coming? Does this wrath upon
the nations have something to do with them shedding innocent blood?
Is this a response to them shedding innocent blood? Does God
punishing the nations have something to do with His warning to His
people that perilous times will come (2 Tim. 3:1-5)? Revelation 17:2
then tells us that the inhabitants of the earth--all of them--have
been made DRUNK because of their involvement and intermingling with
this symbolic woman that sits upon a beast. Then Revelation 13 tells
us concerning those connected with the Antichrist, that they:

16 … causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or
the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number
of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six
hundred threescore and six.

This is telling us that the whole earth will be involved in the
mandates of the Antichrist. We therefore plainly ask you what kind of
governing system will be required to do such a thing to the whole
world. What kind of governing system would compel ALL PEOPLE OF ALL
NATIONS to receive a mark in their right hands or foreheads? If you
are smart, you would immediately understand. To do this, we need a
ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT! Remember President Bush Senior telling us about
a New World Order after the Persian Gulf War? We talked about that
one world government on the newsgroups, and a poster by the name of
Joseph Meehan told us that the whole concept of a New World Order is
just something we conjured up in our heads. When we asked him what
President Bush was talking about after the Gulf War, Meehan, as is
typical of him, dodged the question completely and went to more lies.
We are talking about that globalization Allen Greenspan claimed must
come when he spoke against all who opposed it. THAT IS WHAT THE
SCRIPTURES ARE TALKING ABOUT! Yet you hear all the time people
promoting a global focus and world view and you think nothing of it
and don't understand what is going on! You don't even acknowledge the
history of all such people. What am I talking about?

We are trying to show you what heaven now thinks of the nations today.
It is saying here that heaven believes the nations are DRUNK, or that
plainly speaking, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING! They're
disoriented. What is it talking about? Is this referring to you? Is
this referring to the United States? Does heaven think the nations
can't conduct business? We see they know how to do business, so that
can't be it! Let's see if we can get some more clues. We do so by
getting more scripture that deals with the end times like today. Here
is another one that is very very famous. 1 Thessalonians 5 says:

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction
cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall
not escape.

It talks about sudden destruction, but then says it's as what a
pregnant woman feels, with waves and waves of pain. Though sudden,
trouble becomes worse and worse. Every bible student we know of
concludes that this is talking about the last days. We therefore now
ask you to remember what we uncovered in the first part of this
message. We found a bunch of people who knew they dared not condemn
the atrocities of history as they were performed by Rome, being the
worst example. Why not? BECAUSE THOSE ATROCITIES ARE RETURNING AND
IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT GLOBAL EMPHASIS NOW STORMING US
EVERYWHERE. As usual there is a call for change. Then rosy promises
are garnished upon that call in front of our faces. Are there things
and issues in that call that are being kept from you? We just
demonstrated that there are some such issues, and you can use it as a
test for people to publicly condemn the atrocities of Rome in public
media, identifying it with the word "hatred" to counteract that
deathwish accusation for the inquisition to come. Now we see the
issue of terrorism has sprung up, and we have been given clues about
the real intentions of the Anti-terrorism campaign.

Now look at that scripture again in 1 Thessalonians. Do we hear
people saying peace and safety to us all around? Yes we do, don't we?
The words are "PEACE" and "SAFETY." We may hear the first word a lot,
but please concentrate on the second word. Do we hear the word SAFETY
a lot? I assert that we do. And we can more understand the frequency
by which we hear that word by using another word having the same
meaning. There is a word that can be used to substitute or even
replace the word "SAFETY." That word that can replace the word SAFETY
is…

SECURITY!!

We hear that word a lot don't we? Well the Bush administration is
already trying to show us that the concerns for SECURITY MANDATE A NEW
FORM OF GOVERNMENT! This is the son of George Bush Senior, whose
father told us about that dream of his called a NEW WORLD ORDER. What
we fail to miss are the other prominent figures who have been calling
for the same mandate. Even during the 1930s and 40s Americans had a
certain belief about everyone who would have such dreams. It was
known everywhere and even Hollywood acknowledged what everyone already
knew but can't seem to understand today. The prophecy tells us that
the Antichrist HAS MADE all nations DRUNK. That means there was a
time when they were not so or were not drunk, but that a gradual
process has been forced upon the nations under CHANGE. Has this
reached ALL NATIONS (Under a GLOBAL MANDATE) yet? Understand that the
prophecy talking about all nations coincides with GLOBAL efforts?
Here we are getting more clues again, pointing straight toward those
who have these dreams of a global nature! Dreams for change. Just
recently Rush Limbaugh commented on the fact that US culture was
amazing in that, for the short time it was around, it far outrivaled
other cultures and other societal mandates that were around for
thousands of years before it sprang up. What was the magic behind the
American culture system. Who are those calling for change and what
would their changes bring? During the 1930s and 40s America was
doused with a clear example of the results of people having such
dreams. ADOLF HITLER became a major pawn that started the Second
World War.

Even Hollywood had already spoken. Yes, I remembered watching an
episode of The Three Stooges where Moe imitated one such prominent
leader. The name of that leader was ADOLF HITLER. Moe put on a
mustache, and it was known that he had a close resemblance to Adolf
Hitler when he put on a black and short stubby mustache. There were a
number of episodes where Moe pretended to be Hitler, but in one
particular episode, we witnessed Moe in the disguise imitating Hitler,
and one of the first words that came out of his mouth when depicting
Hitler was NEW WORLD ORDER. In imitating Hitler, he went on talking
about this New World Order in his acting routine. There are other
such examples showing that Hollywood acknowledged what most Americans
understood not too long ago.

Another key example of this was an episode of Wild Wild West called
"The Brain." It featured this invalid man riding around in a
motorized space-aged wheel chair who was a genius, but was an evil
genius. He committed murders and he wound up telling Robert Conrad
(the star of the show) about a New World Order that will eliminate all
war and bring PEACE and SAFETY upon the world. In these and we
believe other examples we are shown that Hollywood acknowledged that
this dream for a New World Order and global government was always
known to come from the most brutal and demonic of all peoples. And
most can't even today understand that this was also a cornerstone
agenda of communism! So many places we turn to examine the most
brutal of regimes we are confronted with this "dream" of having a One
World Government or New World Order. Now our national leaders boldly
flaunt this as a dream of theirs in our faces and we just cannot seem
to get a clue!! The scripture says that we are DRUNK! We are
disoriented in our understanding of the issues that make for our PEACE
and SAFETY! Among the chief of philosophies we seem to have that put
us in this condition is our steady belief that the United States is
firm and "unsinkable" as a nation and in her support for freedom or
anything else! We have been trained to believe that she can never
fall nor be defeated. Some teach this honestly believing it, while
many come around us to tell us that God will not allow calamity like
bloodshed to ever hit the United States on its own soil. God will
take care of everything. That is what we were told by people trying
to divert all attention from the conspiracy and treason that is going
on inside our borders while they constantly attack the Adventist
Church and Ellen White: two entities by which God has met His match!
So they attack these entities as if God cannot handle them!

The next thing incorporated into the agenda of the Bush Administration
is one we found common with those calling for a One World Government.
THEY ARE SHOWING SIGNS THAT THEY ARE CALLING FOR A ONE WORLD CHURCH!
The Bush Administration has been moving with the agenda for a
faith-based initiative, giving government funding to religious groups.
We view this as just one step in going for the gold in changing this
country to a religiously intolerant one: the first step toward
repudiating entirely the principle of Separation of Church and State.
Our studies indicate no surprise to us. But President Bush didn't
call for the collapsing of Separation of Church and State, you may
say. But is that an ultimate goal for him? Does President Bush go by
"The End Justifies the Means?" One Bush supporter was confronted with
this and was informed of the grave consequences of uniting the
churches with the state. A news reporter or TV representative who
knew the issues reiterated that the constitutional mandate against
unification of church and state was instituted to prevent religious
persecution. The reply to this reporter was that we have to give
President Bush a chance. HE DIDN'T DENY THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS
WORKING AGAINST THIS VITAL PRINCIPLE. He instead replied that
President Bush be given a chance. The reporter was not impressed.
The supporter of the President was asking that President Bush be given
another chance at a policy that has consistently been proven for
centuries to provide persecution and death to many and certain people.
Another chance? History is null and void? Lessons therefrom mean
nothing? Would we fall for this? The scriptures tell us that over a
gradual process ALL NATIONS would be made drunk. One major way this
can be accomplished is by causing them to forget history or to treat
its lessons as irrelevant. People are supposed to step in and bring
changes they will claim are "NEW." Their object from that time on
will be to bring back OLD principles that were forbidden under the
lying claim that it is new. Enemies must work on the young and
prevent them from knowing the issues of what happened before they were
born. Right now the most hair-raising and dangerous issues which
would have caused panic in the forefathers of this nation are being
danced before our eyes constantly with little or no concern or effect.
Something has happened to us along the way! What is really going on
under the scenes? We will show you!

While we were arguing away on the newsgroups, the subject of the Bush
Administration's policies under anti-terrorism was discussed. Again,
after major websites such as Jack Chick's (www.chick.com) had been
reporting that Rome hates the American Constitution and all liberty,
Ted Seeber became very insensed that we would question the Bush
Administration's policies of "updating" their anti-terrorism policies
simply by regressing the Constitution as if that was the enemy-which
is exactly what the Bush Administration did! Now the government that
demonstrated such failure to protect the citizenry of America, EVEN
THOUGH THEY WERE FOR YEARS TRAINING AGAINST TERRORISM BEHIND THE
SCENES AS IF THEY MAJORED IN PARANOIA, is telling us they are the key
to security, and that when they accuse someone of being a terrorist,
it will always be accurate enough to know that the accused cannot even
defend himself. Neither can any lawyer dare think to defend him for
due process in court. Patriot magazines tracked exercises being
performed by the government even before the time in 1995 in the years
of the Clinton presidency where the government was telling us we
should sacrifice "some" of our liberties so that militia groups can be
raided and destroyed. [Notice that since America did agree to give up
some of her liberties by default, the militia groups are still here
and the government has not been going after them.] This was after the
1995 Atlanta bombing. At that time some were saying, "acts of
terrorism take place in Israel much more frequently, and they don't
become paranoid telling their citizens the world has come to an end so
they have to give up their constitution. Yet just three acts of
terrorism in the US, and our national leaders were telling us the
Constitution is the enemy against peace!" [There was the World Trade
Center bombing, the Oklahoma City bombing and the Atlanta bombings.]
But independent sources showed the government constantly preparing for
terrorism during this same climate of anti-paranoia-ism-the same
terrible agenda we found in the strange super-terrorist posters on the
internet who we found had little value for human life. Ted Seeber, as
one professed Christian, is one we centered upon. He also had
forceful and political concerns. Other Christians would be helping
the needy and poor and would be into concerns far different. All
could see the fire in the man when it was brought out that the
American people should retain all their liberties. A government that
showed great failure to protect its citizens now needed more power to
show the world she is the answer for PEACE and SAFETY. Therefore a
document partially designed to protect the citizens FROM the
government and from it becoming too powerful called the Constitution
of the United States we are told is the enemy.

The bible talks about a Beast or nation that will be telling the
world, in Revelation 13:

14 …saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an
image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Adventists believe this "Beast" that will do this is the United
States. The Beast which had a wound and did live is the Papacy. Here
is a link that talks about this. You can look at it some other time:

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/AmericaInProphecy.htm

Do you hear the United States pushing an agenda? Do you hear all over
this land a call for change to the whole world? Do you hear a call
for a New World Order? Do you hear a call for the United States to be
a global policeman? This was DISTINCTLY FORBIDDEN BY THE NATIONAL
FOREFATHERS WHO PENNED THE CONSTITUTION!

Many mistakenly think that this scripture is telling us that in the
future the whole world will be compelled to bow before some statue.
That is not actually what this is talking about. This is symbolic
prophecy. What it is actually saying is that the nation above will
tell the earth THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE A REPLICA OF THE BEAST or that
nation that once ruled the globe before it, but then suffered loss.
It suffered a wound, but we are viewing that it is still here today!
The entire Protestant Reformation and even all the great American
preachers of yesteryear told us that this 666 Beast was the Papacy.
If it is true that the other Beast or nation described above is the
United States, and that she will tell the world that they should make
an IMAGE or replica to the Antichrist Beast that was before it, and
that Antichrist Beast is the Papacy, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE CALL FOR
CHANGE ALL OVER OUR LAND IS ACTUALLY TO REINSTITUTE GLOBAL DOMINANCE
TO THE PAPACY IN THE FUTURE! It will be done by instituting a system
having the same characteristics! It is saying that's what this is all
about behind the scenes! If that is true then, why not study the
history of when Rome ruled the world? Why not study the Inquisitions?
Why not study the days when there was no freedom or liberty! Why not
study the days when people were condemned and put to death cruelly
without being able to defend themselves merely for differing with Rome
in religious matters or not acknowledging the supremacy of the Pope?
The Holy Roman Empire WAS A GLOBAL SYSTEM! Already we see many
telling us to have changes among us. As the changes work out without
our vote of consent, (except that we sit around and let it happen. In
that sense it is being carried out with our consent) we see that it is
imitating the Holy Roman Empire in every way!

The Patriot Act originally came out with the most startling
unconstitutional demands. They told us that after anyone is accused
by the government of being a terrorist, they can have no due process
of law. We were told that even judicial review cannot be allowed. We
were told that they could be detained indefinitely by that class of
people showing the same characteristics of those posting on the
internet who have flapping tongues constantly issuing the accusation
of PARANOIA against their enemies. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME
THESE MEASURES WERE DEMANDED showing a continuum. The same paranoid
mandates were demanded from the Clinton Administration.

The bible says further of this nation [the United States], that it
will:

15 …give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the
beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship
the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and
bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or
the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is where we see the picture of atrocities. Here is where we see
the killings. If we were to combine all the clues, this is what we
come up with for the future:

IN THE FUTURE ALL THE NATIONS WOULD BE DECEIVED. TERRIBLE CRISES WILL
DEVELOP AFTER WHICH A FORCEFUL, OVERWHELMING AND UNRELENTING CALL FOR
A GLOBAL SYSTEM WOULD BE ISSUED UPON ALL. ONE NATION WOULD SAY TO THE
ENTIRE WORLD THAT, BECAUSE OF A NEW DAY THAT HAS BEEN CREATED THAT MAY
THREATEN THE PEACE AND SAFETY OF ALL HUMAN LIFE, A NEW GOVERNMENT THAT
DOMINATES THE WHOLE WORLD NEEDS TO BE CREATED THAT WOULD GUARANTEE
PEACE AND SECURITY WITH THE END OF ALL WARS AMONGS NATIONS.
ULTIMATELY THAT NEW GOVERNMENT WILL CLAIM THE RIGHT TO ACCUSE AND
DETERMINE WHO IS AN ENEMY OF PEACE AND SAFETY. PERSECUTION AND
ATROCITIES WOULD THEN BECOME LEGALIZED AND THAT GOVERNMENT WILL ACCUSE
INNOCENT PEOPLE OF HORRIBLE CRIMES! SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL THEN COME
UPON THE WHOLE GLOBE! CHRIST WILL HAVE TO COME TO RESCUE HIS PEOPLE!

Talking about the last days, Daniel 12:1, 2 says:
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which
standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of
trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same
time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that
shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Verse 2 shows it is talking about when Christ comes.

Rev. 15 says, And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire:
and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his
image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on
the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of
the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God
Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

What is the Song of Moses? It was sung in Exodus 15 just after the
Children of Israel crossed over the Dead Sea while being pursued by
the Egyptians. The major theme of that song was Glory to God WHO HATH
MADE THE OPPRESSOR TO CEASE! They were freed from horrible bondage.

The scriptures therefore tell us that when Jesus returns, He will rule
the world with a "rod of iron." What does that mean? Take a look:

This is what the scriptures show God the Father saying to His Son:
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in
pieces like a potter's vessel.

In complement to the scripture above, and speaking symbolically of the
coming of Christ, here is what Revelation 19 says:

Rev. 19:
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should
smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he
treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The expression ruling with a rod of iron means to chastise or destroy.
Is it true all this will happen to the nations daily becoming more and
more "drunk" as the scriptures say? What about the United States
government daily taking new powers which incorporate within it the
ability to destroy innocent people? Is it true the nations are
"drunk" today? Let's take a closer look at the 911 terror attacks,
Homeland Security, and the war in Iraq to see if there is any truth to
this.


In His Grace,


Susan

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Post by Susan Williams
Post by Alan M
Post by Susan Williams
HOW IS THAT?
Post by Joseph Meehan
It is very interesting that even though your have said you and Ted
are
Post by Alan M
Post by Susan Williams
Post by Joseph Meehan
not one in the same person, your "unique" writing and argument styles are
the same.
I'm not worried about who you are. My concerns are for blood when
meeting the strange people reincarnated telling us about freedom to
disagree and yet have such a terrible lack of natural affection and
regard for human non-Catholic life.
Are you a vampire Susie ?
Post by Susan Williams
SHOW US HOW YOU SUPER-TERRORISTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER! I see
a unique similarity. Issues of blood yields posts concerned about who
a person is or gender.
Post by Joseph Meehan
As I have said before, I strongly suggest you seek professional help.
I will not go to the killer cult to find psychiatrists to correct me
and make me a super-terrorist.
If you cannot understand clear English O damned one, I will suggest
you seek help from the looney farm so that they can make you crazy in
your eyes.
I'm afraid you've taken the old fashioned approach Susie and have simply
gone crazy in your mind.
Show us all when you have better evidence to back up or defend your
Vatican faith! Then show us how the defense is biblical. So far I
see that biblical defense can't work.
There is the Jesuit Oath that mandates you to continue to post to
someone you declare is insane. Let's draw it out some more, shall we?
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=c359gvkmg6541nbegk92df2tshc1cl1qm9%404ax.com
Some of you may well not be convinced that Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics on the newsgroups. Actually, to this day, even those on
the newsgroups who formerly denied it had to confess that Seeber did
just that, and they went into every manner of defense for Seeber. As
we expose the dialogues, we will more prove this. However, since we
started this work, another person came out more boldly and gave
approval of the deaths of millions of Christians. She posts under the
name of Teresita. When I made mention of that great Christian work
Foxe's Book of Martyrs, detailing centuries of uncountable murders of
bible-believing Christians, she referred to the work as, "Foxe's Book
of Hereticks." She therefore approved of their deaths because they
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b0165u09im%40drn.newsguy.com
1/14/2003
Naturally, we got on her case for her boldness here as we still have
the liberty to do in this free country. Teresita in response lied to
us, telling us that when she called Foxe's Book of Martyrs "Foxe's
Book of Heretics," she was only referring to the Albigenses of the
Protestant Reformation 5/29/2003 who were a minority group of
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How do we know she was lying? The Albigenses were hardly mentioned in
that massive work. Protestants usually have little to say about the
Albigenses BECAUSE BOTH THEMSELVES AND ALL THEIR WORKS WERE COMPLETELY
ANNIHILATED BY ROME! But more proof that she was lying comes in her
next response as she worked to divert from my advancing questions.
Teresita belied her claim that she was only referring to the
Albigenses when she condemned the Christian martyrs as "hereticks" by
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bcfbru0230p%40drn.newsguy.com
When pressed further and further to reveal her beliefs she is trained
to hide on the matter of the value of human life, Teresita says the
Vatican merely carried out God's commands when they killed millions of
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Subject: Re: Teresita responds inappropriatly
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
Date: 2003-05-29 12:05:31 PST
Post by Alan M
Like Ted Seeber, you gave approval to their deaths and then come on the forums telling me I hate people just because they disagree.
We are still under Homeland Security right through to the destruction of this nation. We are asked to report all terrorist activity found
in people who have a profound disrespect of human life!
Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your
towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what
is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his
covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or
the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have
forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall
inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an
abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth
to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you
shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."
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ARE YOU LISTENING HOMELAND SECURITY??? She claims the scriptures
mandated their actions IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!! Is it the New Testament
now? Do those scriptures still exist now and have weight now IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT?? That is what we had been revealing and they had been
denying. We revealed that Rome hasn't changed, but she and all her
friends claimed we were evil liars! We revealed that Rome is working
behind the scenes with millions of her followers working diligently to
topple the United States and convert it to a Police State type country
that is RELIGIOUS!! These are the same people telling us about CHANGE
and telling us about the globalization that MUST take place
notwithstanding they tell us they fight for freedom!
Again and again the worst criminals standing at the beginning of the
start of brutal empires bring rosy themes of "peace" in order to
overturn divine mandates for liberty! What are we talking about?
Have we already started to show you there are things they are leaving
out? We are trying to show you that the worst and most troublesome
time in the history of the earth is right upon us. In doing so we
want to show you that documentation is provided warning about the
events to take place. We are trying to show you not only what will be
responsible for this, BUT WHY SHE WILL WIN!
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from
such turn away.
Here it is showing us that perilous--or LIFE THREATENING--times shall
come, and it is speaking to bible believers. It lists the personality
characteristics of many in the last days, and one of the
characteristics listed is "WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION." That is what
we have noticed in our exposes of atrocities and the reaction to them
by strange posters over the internet, all of whom had a form of
godliness. We have yet to see how we can prove that millions more
such people are around us everyday and that many important and crucial
figures in the network of all free nations are the same people and
have the same beliefs, thoughts and capabilities. These scriptures
are referring to the last days. The scriptures talking about the
Antichrist refers to the last days. We are trying to show that they
coincide and give more clues about events that will take place.
Many are aware of the prophecies of the Antichrist 666. Revelation 13
describes the Antichrist (the one specially noted that Christ will
face when He comes the second time). This is prophecy revealed in
symbols. But when we get to Revelation 17 starting at verse 3, it
talks about a great whore that sits upon a Beast. We cannot go into
detail to prove what the symbols mean right now. We will try and
direct you to reliable sources that can explain them. But theologians
too often agree that a woman in symbolic prophecy represents a church.
A whore would represent an evil or cultic church and a pure woman
would represent Christ's church. A beast in symbolic prophecy
represents a nation or kingdom. Therefore when you see a woman sit on
a beast, it represents a union of church with state where the church
controls the state to further her own ends. Historically we know that
whenever the church unites with the state, then religious persecution
is always the unavoidable result. Therefore in verse 6 of Chapter 17,
it says that the woman is drunk with the blood of the saints. In
other words she has killed many of God's people. That is ALWAYS the
unavoidable result of such a union.
Revelation 18:3 tells us that this woman has made "all nations" to
drink of the wine of the wrath "of her fornication," meaning she has
forced all nations to feel God's wrath, because of their "fornication"
or intermingling and accepting her false doctrines and agenda. Does
this wrath upon the nations have something to do with God's warnings
to His people that "perilous times" are coming? Does this wrath upon
the nations have something to do with them shedding innocent blood?
Is this a response to them shedding innocent blood? Does God
punishing the nations have something to do with His warning to His
people that perilous times will come (2 Tim. 3:1-5)? Revelation 17:2
then tells us that the inhabitants of the earth--all of them--have
been made DRUNK because of their involvement and intermingling with
this symbolic woman that sits upon a beast. Then Revelation 13 tells
16 ? causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or
the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number
of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six
hundred threescore and six.
This is telling us that the whole earth will be involved in the
mandates of the Antichrist. We therefore plainly ask you what kind of
governing system will be required to do such a thing to the whole
world. What kind of governing system would compel ALL PEOPLE OF ALL
NATIONS to receive a mark in their right hands or foreheads? If you
are smart, you would immediately understand. To do this, we need a
ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT! Remember President Bush Senior telling us about
a New World Order after the Persian Gulf War? We talked about that
one world government on the newsgroups, and a poster by the name of
Joseph Meehan told us that the whole concept of a New World Order is
just something we conjured up in our heads. When we asked him what
President Bush was talking about after the Gulf War, Meehan, as is
typical of him, dodged the question completely and went to more lies.
We are talking about that globalization Allen Greenspan claimed must
come when he spoke against all who opposed it. THAT IS WHAT THE
SCRIPTURES ARE TALKING ABOUT! Yet you hear all the time people
promoting a global focus and world view and you think nothing of it
and don't understand what is going on! You don't even acknowledge the
history of all such people. What am I talking about?
We are trying to show you what heaven now thinks of the nations today.
It is saying here that heaven believes the nations are DRUNK, or that
plainly speaking, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING! They're
disoriented. What is it talking about? Is this referring to you? Is
this referring to the United States? Does heaven think the nations
can't conduct business? We see they know how to do business, so that
can't be it! Let's see if we can get some more clues. We do so by
getting more scripture that deals with the end times like today. Here
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction
cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall
not escape.
It talks about sudden destruction, but then says it's as what a
pregnant woman feels, with waves and waves of pain. Though sudden,
trouble becomes worse and worse. Every bible student we know of
concludes that this is talking about the last days. We therefore now
ask you to remember what we uncovered in the first part of this
message. We found a bunch of people who knew they dared not condemn
the atrocities of history as they were performed by Rome, being the
worst example. Why not? BECAUSE THOSE ATROCITIES ARE RETURNING AND
IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT GLOBAL EMPHASIS NOW STORMING US
EVERYWHERE. As usual there is a call for change. Then rosy promises
are garnished upon that call in front of our faces. Are there things
and issues in that call that are being kept from you? We just
demonstrated that there are some such issues, and you can use it as a
test for people to publicly condemn the atrocities of Rome in public
media, identifying it with the word "hatred" to counteract that
deathwish accusation for the inquisition to come. Now we see the
issue of terrorism has sprung up, and we have been given clues about
the real intentions of the Anti-terrorism campaign.
Now look at that scripture again in 1 Thessalonians. Do we hear
people saying peace and safety to us all around? Yes we do, don't we?
The words are "PEACE" and "SAFETY." We may hear the first word a lot,
but please concentrate on the second word. Do we hear the word SAFETY
a lot? I assert that we do. And we can more understand the frequency
by which we hear that word by using another word having the same
meaning. There is a word that can be used to substitute or even
replace the word "SAFETY." That word that can replace the word SAFETY
is?
SECURITY!!
We hear that word a lot don't we? Well the Bush administration is
already trying to show us that the concerns for SECURITY MANDATE A NEW
FORM OF GOVERNMENT! This is the son of George Bush Senior, whose
father told us about that dream of his called a NEW WORLD ORDER. What
we fail to miss are the other prominent figures who have been calling
for the same mandate. Even during the 1930s and 40s Americans had a
certain belief about everyone who would have such dreams. It was
known everywhere and even Hollywood acknowledged what everyone already
knew but can't seem to understand today. The prophecy tells us that
the Antichrist HAS MADE all nations DRUNK. That means there was a
time when they were not so or were not drunk, but that a gradual
process has been forced upon the nations under CHANGE. Has this
reached ALL NATIONS (Under a GLOBAL MANDATE) yet? Understand that the
prophecy talking about all nations coincides with GLOBAL efforts?
Here we are getting more clues again, pointing straight toward those
who have these dreams of a global nature! Dreams for change. Just
recently Rush Limbaugh commented on the fact that US culture was
amazing in that, for the short time it was around, it far outrivaled
other cultures and other societal mandates that were around for
thousands of years before it sprang up. What was the magic behind the
American culture system. Who are those calling for change and what
would their changes bring? During the 1930s and 40s America was
doused with a clear example of the results of people having such
dreams. ADOLF HITLER became a major pawn that started the Second
World War.
Even Hollywood had already spoken. Yes, I remembered watching an
episode of The Three Stooges where Moe imitated one such prominent
leader. The name of that leader was ADOLF HITLER. Moe put on a
mustache, and it was known that he had a close resemblance to Adolf
Hitler when he put on a black and short stubby mustache. There were a
number of episodes where Moe pretended to be Hitler, but in one
particular episode, we witnessed Moe in the disguise imitating Hitler,
and one of the first words that came out of his mouth when depicting
Hitler was NEW WORLD ORDER. In imitating Hitler, he went on talking
about this New World Order in his acting routine. There are other
such examples showing that Hollywood acknowledged what most Americans
understood not too long ago.
Another key example of this was an episode of Wild Wild West called
"The Brain." It featured this invalid man riding around in a
motorized space-aged wheel chair who was a genius, but was an evil
genius. He committed murders and he wound up telling Robert Conrad
(the star of the show) about a New World Order that will eliminate all
war and bring PEACE and SAFETY upon the world. In these and we
believe other examples we are shown that Hollywood acknowledged that
this dream for a New World Order and global government was always
known to come from the most brutal and demonic of all peoples. And
most can't even today understand that this was also a cornerstone
agenda of communism! So many places we turn to examine the most
brutal of regimes we are confronted with this "dream" of having a One
World Government or New World Order. Now our national leaders boldly
flaunt this as a dream of theirs in our faces and we just cannot seem
to get a clue!! The scripture says that we are DRUNK! We are
disoriented in our understanding of the issues that make for our PEACE
and SAFETY! Among the chief of philosophies we seem to have that put
us in this condition is our steady belief that the United States is
firm and "unsinkable" as a nation and in her support for freedom or
anything else! We have been trained to believe that she can never
fall nor be defeated. Some teach this honestly believing it, while
many come around us to tell us that God will not allow calamity like
bloodshed to ever hit the United States on its own soil. God will
take care of everything. That is what we were told by people trying
to divert all attention from the conspiracy and treason that is going
on inside our borders while they constantly attack the Adventist
Church and Ellen White: two entities by which God has met His match!
So they attack these entities as if God cannot handle them!
The next thing incorporated into the agenda of the Bush Administration
is one we found common with those calling for a One World Government.
THEY ARE SHOWING SIGNS THAT THEY ARE CALLING FOR A ONE WORLD CHURCH!
The Bush Administration has been moving with the agenda for a
faith-based initiative, giving government funding to religious groups.
We view this as just one step in going for the gold in changing this
country to a religiously intolerant one: the first step toward
repudiating entirely the principle of Separation of Church and State.
Our studies indicate no surprise to us. But President Bush didn't
call for the collapsing of Separation of Church and State, you may
say. But is that an ultimate goal for him? Does President Bush go by
"The End Justifies the Means?" One Bush supporter was confronted with
this and was informed of the grave consequences of uniting the
churches with the state. A news reporter or TV representative who
knew the issues reiterated that the constitutional mandate against
unification of church and state was instituted to prevent religious
persecution. The reply to this reporter was that we have to give
President Bush a chance. HE DIDN'T DENY THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS
WORKING AGAINST THIS VITAL PRINCIPLE. He instead replied that
President Bush be given a chance. The reporter was not impressed.
The supporter of the President was asking that President Bush be given
another chance at a policy that has consistently been proven for
centuries to provide persecution and death to many and certain people.
Another chance? History is null and void? Lessons therefrom mean
nothing? Would we fall for this? The scriptures tell us that over a
gradual process ALL NATIONS would be made drunk. One major way this
can be accomplished is by causing them to forget history or to treat
its lessons as irrelevant. People are supposed to step in and bring
changes they will claim are "NEW." Their object from that time on
will be to bring back OLD principles that were forbidden under the
lying claim that it is new. Enemies must work on the young and
prevent them from knowing the issues of what happened before they were
born. Right now the most hair-raising and dangerous issues which
would have caused panic in the forefathers of this nation are being
danced before our eyes constantly with little or no concern or effect.
Something has happened to us along the way! What is really going on
under the scenes? We will show you!
While we were arguing away on the newsgroups, the subject of the Bush
Administration's policies under anti-terrorism was discussed. Again,
after major websites such as Jack Chick's (www.chick.com) had been
reporting that Rome hates the American Constitution and all liberty,
Ted Seeber became very insensed that we would question the Bush
Administration's policies of "updating" their anti-terrorism policies
simply by regressing the Constitution as if that was the enemy-which
is exactly what the Bush Administration did! Now the government that
demonstrated such failure to protect the citizenry of America, EVEN
THOUGH THEY WERE FOR YEARS TRAINING AGAINST TERRORISM BEHIND THE
SCENES AS IF THEY MAJORED IN PARANOIA, is telling us they are the key
to security, and that when they accuse someone of being a terrorist,
it will always be accurate enough to know that the accused cannot even
defend himself. Neither can any lawyer dare think to defend him for
due process in court. Patriot magazines tracked exercises being
performed by the government even before the time in 1995 in the years
of the Clinton presidency where the government was telling us we
should sacrifice "some" of our liberties so that militia groups can be
raided and destroyed. [Notice that since America did agree to give up
some of her liberties by default, the militia groups are still here
and the government has not been going after them.] This was after the
1995 Atlanta bombing. At that time some were saying, "acts of
terrorism take place in Israel much more frequently, and they don't
become paranoid telling their citizens the world has come to an end so
they have to give up their constitution. Yet just three acts of
terrorism in the US, and our national leaders were telling us the
Constitution is the enemy against peace!" [There was the World Trade
Center bombing, the Oklahoma City bombing and the Atlanta bombings.]
But independent sources showed the government constantly preparing for
terrorism during this same climate of anti-paranoia-ism-the same
terrible agenda we found in the strange super-terrorist posters on the
internet who we found had little value for human life. Ted Seeber, as
one professed Christian, is one we centered upon. He also had
forceful and political concerns. Other Christians would be helping
the needy and poor and would be into concerns far different. All
could see the fire in the man when it was brought out that the
American people should retain all their liberties. A government that
showed great failure to protect its citizens now needed more power to
show the world she is the answer for PEACE and SAFETY. Therefore a
document partially designed to protect the citizens FROM the
government and from it becoming too powerful called the Constitution
of the United States we are told is the enemy.
The bible talks about a Beast or nation that will be telling the
14 ?saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an
image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Adventists believe this "Beast" that will do this is the United
States. The Beast which had a wound and did live is the Papacy. Here
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/AmericaInProphecy.htm
Do you hear the United States pushing an agenda? Do you hear all over
this land a call for change to the whole world? Do you hear a call
for a New World Order? Do you hear a call for the United States to be
a global policeman? This was DISTINCTLY FORBIDDEN BY THE NATIONAL
FOREFATHERS WHO PENNED THE CONSTITUTION!
Many mistakenly think that this scripture is telling us that in the
future the whole world will be compelled to bow before some statue.
That is not actually what this is talking about. This is symbolic
prophecy. What it is actually saying is that the nation above will
tell the earth THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE A REPLICA OF THE BEAST or that
nation that once ruled the globe before it, but then suffered loss.
It suffered a wound, but we are viewing that it is still here today!
The entire Protestant Reformation and even all the great American
preachers of yesteryear told us that this 666 Beast was the Papacy.
If it is true that the other Beast or nation described above is the
United States, and that she will tell the world that they should make
an IMAGE or replica to the Antichrist Beast that was before it, and
that Antichrist Beast is the Papacy, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE CALL FOR
CHANGE ALL OVER OUR LAND IS ACTUALLY TO REINSTITUTE GLOBAL DOMINANCE
TO THE PAPACY IN THE FUTURE! It will be done by instituting a system
having the same characteristics! It is saying that's what this is all
about behind the scenes! If that is true then, why not study the
history of when Rome ruled the world? Why not study the Inquisitions?
Why not study the days when there was no freedom or liberty! Why not
study the days when people were condemned and put to death cruelly
without being able to defend themselves merely for differing with Rome
in religious matters or not acknowledging the supremacy of the Pope?
The Holy Roman Empire WAS A GLOBAL SYSTEM! Already we see many
telling us to have changes among us. As the changes work out without
our vote of consent, (except that we sit around and let it happen. In
that sense it is being carried out with our consent) we see that it is
imitating the Holy Roman Empire in every way!
The Patriot Act originally came out with the most startling
unconstitutional demands. They told us that after anyone is accused
by the government of being a terrorist, they can have no due process
of law. We were told that even judicial review cannot be allowed. We
were told that they could be detained indefinitely by that class of
people showing the same characteristics of those posting on the
internet who have flapping tongues constantly issuing the accusation
of PARANOIA against their enemies. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME
THESE MEASURES WERE DEMANDED showing a continuum. The same paranoid
mandates were demanded from the Clinton Administration.
The bible says further of this nation [the United States], that it
15 ?give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the
beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship
the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or
the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is where we see the picture of atrocities. Here is where we see
the killings. If we were to combine all the clues, this is what we
IN THE FUTURE ALL THE NATIONS WOULD BE DECEIVED. TERRIBLE CRISES WILL
DEVELOP AFTER WHICH A FORCEFUL, OVERWHELMING AND UNRELENTING CALL FOR
A GLOBAL SYSTEM WOULD BE ISSUED UPON ALL. ONE NATION WOULD SAY TO THE
ENTIRE WORLD THAT, BECAUSE OF A NEW DAY THAT HAS BEEN CREATED THAT MAY
THREATEN THE PEACE AND SAFETY OF ALL HUMAN LIFE, A NEW GOVERNMENT THAT
DOMINATES THE WHOLE WORLD NEEDS TO BE CREATED THAT WOULD GUARANTEE
PEACE AND SECURITY WITH THE END OF ALL WARS AMONGS NATIONS.
ULTIMATELY THAT NEW GOVERNMENT WILL CLAIM THE RIGHT TO ACCUSE AND
DETERMINE WHO IS AN ENEMY OF PEACE AND SAFETY. PERSECUTION AND
ATROCITIES WOULD THEN BECOME LEGALIZED AND THAT GOVERNMENT WILL ACCUSE
INNOCENT PEOPLE OF HORRIBLE CRIMES! SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL THEN COME
UPON THE WHOLE GLOBE! CHRIST WILL HAVE TO COME TO RESCUE HIS PEOPLE!
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which
standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of
trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same
time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that
shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Verse 2 shows it is talking about when Christ comes.
and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his
image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on
the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of
the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God
Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
What is the Song of Moses? It was sung in Exodus 15 just after the
Children of Israel crossed over the Dead Sea while being pursued by
the Egyptians. The major theme of that song was Glory to God WHO HATH
MADE THE OPPRESSOR TO CEASE! They were freed from horrible bondage.
The scriptures therefore tell us that when Jesus returns, He will rule
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in
pieces like a potter's vessel.
In complement to the scripture above, and speaking symbolically of the
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should
smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he
treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
The expression ruling with a rod of iron means to chastise or destroy.
Is it true all this will happen to the nations daily becoming more and
more "drunk" as the scriptures say? What about the United States
government daily taking new powers which incorporate within it the
ability to destroy innocent people? Is it true the nations are
"drunk" today? Let's take a closer look at the 911 terror attacks,
Homeland Security, and the war in Iraq to see if there is any truth to
this.
In His Grace,
Susan
You're mentally spiraling downward at a rapid pace, really hitting a
bottom and seriously need help. You're in our prayers and I hope
someone can help you.

William Suzanne
William Suzanne
2003-09-20 02:46:00 UTC
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Susan Williams <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<***@4ax.com>...

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Post by Susan Williams
While we were arguing away on the newsgroups, the subject of the Bush
Administration's policies under anti-terrorism was discussed. Again,
after major websites such as Jack Chick's (www.chick.com) had been
reporting that Rome hates the American Constitution and all liberty,
Ted Seeber became very insensed that we would question the Bush
Administration's policies of "updating" their anti-terrorism policies
simply by regressing the Constitution as if that was the enemy-which
is exactly what the Bush Administration did! .....<blahblah, the usual, snip>
Transvestite Ted (Susan) thinks (s)he is SO innocent
Post by Susan Williams
Other Christians would be helping
the needy and poor and would be into concerns far different.
Christians like your cult, who claim an anti-Americn conspiracy of
true Christians while your cult picks our pockets as evidenced by this
L.A. Times article:

"A History of Complaints Dog Adventist Aid Agency."

The agency referred to is ADRA, the Adventist Development and Relief
Agency of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.

The LA Times article begins by revealing that ADRA built two tennis
courts in Rwanda "with U.S. government relief aid; the second
constructed so players would not have to squint into the sun. A
tennis pro was hired with money kicked back to the Adventist group
from local Rwandans who had improperly received huge amounts of
government food intended for the needy." Where did this information
come from? It came from a report submitted by a United States
government investigator!

The article went on to state that ADRA "received $85 million in
federal cash, food and freight, plus tens of millions more from other
nations and donors, during the last two years for which reports are
available. ADRA was given more funding than all but three groups out
of more than 400 federal program participants. Along with that
assistance have come serious questions about how it has been used;
from accusations of corruption to complaints of unlawful
proselytizing."

ADRA Involved in Double-billing Scam?

Perhaps most enlightening of all is the report that the US
government's Agency for International Development (AID), refused to
pay some $2.8 million of ADRA's billings because an AID auditor's 1995
report indicated ADRA had billed that amount for "public relations,
fund raising, and other overhead expenses. The agency also questioned
whether ADRA charged the government twice for some items, amounting to
hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible double-billings."

"In Mozambique, U.S. auditors found in 1994 that ADRA employees
purloined commodities and profited by selling food 'unfit for human
consumption" to unsuspecting villagers. Auditors also voiced concerns
over $105,000 in U.S. funding forwarded to a (Seventh-day) Adventist
owned university in Michigan (Andrews University) for hunger research;
including some money that appeared to be pure 'profit' for the
school."

Reaching Their Hands Across the Gulf

The following editorial regarding the Los Angeles Times articles is
reprinted from WWN, Ozone, Arkansas, USA:

"The most serious charge made in the LA Times report is that the line
between humanitarian relief and religion is blurred. The (Seventh-day
Adventist) Church's formal mission arm known as Global Mission is
headed by Folkenberg's brother, Donald. While Mario Ochoa, ADRA's
executive vice president, declared that 'no one's ever confused Global
Mission and ADRA,' the staff writers noted that Global Mission called
ADRA 'a bona fide ministry of Jesus Christ and the Seventh-day
Adventist Church,' noting that its work 'provides a strategy to reach
people previously untouched by other church institutions. The
church's mission is incomplete without ADRA's ministry.'

"Hal Butler, planning director at Global Mission until 1995, is quoted
as indicating that officials from his agency and ADRA met together 'to
plan potential joint projects. ... If ADRA went in there first and had
some health programs or whatever to get things going, we might be able
to come in later.' The interaction is cited in the report. Global
Mission has in several incidents built medical clinics, and then
turned them over to ADRA to operate. 'The arrangement obeys "the
letter of the law. They are not out there proselytizing," said
Folkenberg. ... He acknowledged, however, that the effect has been to
heighten the denomination's profile with local residents whose lives
have been improved through the clinics. "That's a way to what the
church is all about," he said, "spread Christianity and spread
Adventism."'

"The report quotes Elder Robert S. Folkenberg's reaction as flippantly
declaring ADRA to be '99.4% pure, like Ivory soap' even in the light
of all the documented evidence researched by the staff writers.

SDA No Longer Separate from State

"The question lingers -- How can this connection with the Federal
government of the United States be harmonized with what was thought to
be our position on the separation of Church and State?

"For generations, the U.S. government has worked to foster America's
image as benevolent benefactor to the world's needy. Most people do
not realize, however, that this often amounts to goodwill by proxy.
AID has come to rely more heavily than ever on a net work of 417
private groups, sharing an annual pot of more than $1.4 billion."
Into this "pot" is the official hand of the (Seventh-day) Adventist
Church. As one Adventist who was interviewed remarked: "The Church
has become 'an arm of American foreign policy.'" Then the backside of
the coin reads: The State is helping to forward the Global Mission of
the (Seventh-day Adventist) Church via Federal tax dollars through
ADRA.

"The staff Report included a comment from an Internet site. They
quoted one writer who complained about "a lack of top level
accountability, advising rebels to cut off contributions or leave the
church altogether: 'vote with your wallet or vote with your feet,' was
the suggestion. It has a precedent. Jesus walked out of the Temple
declaring, 'Your house is left unto you desolate' (Matthew 23:38;
24:1)."
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 03:57:21 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by Susan Williams
While we were arguing away on the newsgroups, the subject of the Bush
Administration's policies under anti-terrorism was discussed. Again,
after major websites such as Jack Chick's (www.chick.com) had been
reporting that Rome hates the American Constitution and all liberty,
Ted Seeber became very insensed that we would question the Bush
Administration's policies of "updating" their anti-terrorism policies
simply by regressing the Constitution as if that was the enemy-which
is exactly what the Bush Administration did!
The super-terrorist Jesuit William Suzanne replies, forgetting that of
a group of a hundred people, some could disagree with his bulls and
Post by Susan Williams
.....<blahblah, the usual, snip>
I reply:

How would you know? This was the lie that William Suzanne brought so
that I would stop telling the truth:

But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Post by Susan Williams
Transvestite Ted (Susan) thinks (s)he is SO innocent
Imagine how anyone exposing super-terrorist are to feel when another
super-terrorist asks if I think I am so innocent!
Post by Susan Williams
Post by Susan Williams
Other Christians would be helping
the needy and poor and would be into concerns far different.
Christians like your cult, who claim an anti-Americn conspiracy of
true Christians while your cult picks our pockets as evidenced by this
"A History of Complaints Dog Adventist Aid Agency."
The agency referred to is ADRA, the Adventist Development and Relief
Agency of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.
<SNIP the Antichrist Jesuit Crap!>

This was a whole article posted by Jesuit William Suzanne who, with
his other super-terrorists have been telling us we are not to expose
other religions, for to do that would be hating its members.

The subject was about blood in light of Homeland Security. The
subject was not about super-terrorists trying to change the subject.

You mean it is OK to expose the crimes of Rome now? William Suzanne
is showing us it is right to hate all Adventists? Can I post and
expose the unparalleled crimes of Rome now? Guilty of hate crimes?

How about this! Now compare the crimes William Suzanne is Jesuit
paranoid about and compare what is written here:

http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp

In defense of former Jesuit
Alberto Rivera
When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
message.

The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward. Following is the letter
he wrote in defense of Alberto Rivera.

Since the Christianity Today letter is still being distributed to
attack Alberto's God-given message, even going so far as to deny he
was ever a priest, we feel it is appropriate to make Houston's
rebuttal available as well. It is vital that Bible-believing
Christians understand the true nature of the Roman Catholic Church, so
they will understand why they need to reach out in love to Catholics
to lead them to saving faith in Jesus Christ.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Editor
Christianity Today
465 Gundersen Drive
Carol Stream, Illinois 60187

Dear Sir:

I have read your three page article exposing J.T. Chick's
"Alberto" to be a fraud (see Christianity Today, March 13, 1981). I
would like to make the following comments on the same hoping that God
in His sovereignty would allow this letter to be printed (in full) in
a future issue of Christianity Today:

Considering the evidence set forth in your article, though I find many
things stated of which Alberto Rivera may or may not be guilty, I can
find no evidence in the article that proves him to be a fraud, unless
of course, I'm misunderstanding the word: "fraud." You do state what
Rome herself has to say about Alberto. Who in a right frame of mind
(unless they are totally ignorant of history) would give heed to her
words in the light of the following evidence:

Her teaching that "the end justifies the means" allows her the freedom
to lie, just as long as it propagates her cause.

H.G. Wells, noted historian, in his book, "Crux Ansata," states:
Page 105 - "Roman Catholicism is a broken and utterly desperate thing,
capable only of malignant mischief in our awakening world."

Page 155 - "I think that it stands for everything most hostile to the
mental emancipation and stimulation of mankind. It is the completest,
most highly organized system of prejudices and antagonisms in
existence. Everywhere in the world there are ignorance and prejudice,
but the greatest complex of these, with the most extensive prestige
and the most intimate entanglement with traditional institutions, is
the Roman Catholic Church. It presents many faces towards the world,
but everywhere it is systematic in its fight against freedom."


Lord Macaulay, in his "Essays on Ranke's History of the Popes, 1852,"
page 548, states:
"It is impossible to deny that the polity of the Church of Rome is the
very masterpiece of human wisdom....The experience of 1,200 eventful
years, the ingenuity and patient care of forty generations of
statesmen, have improved that polity to such perfection, that, among
the contrivances which have been devised for deceiving and controlling
mankind, it occupies the highest place."
Again, Macaulay in his "History of England," (Volume 1, page 47)
states:

"the loveliest and most fertile provinces of Europe have under her
(Rome's) rule, been sunk in poverty, in political servitude, and in
intellectual torpor."

Charles Dickens' "Life," (by Foster, Volume II, page 274) described
Popery as:
"the most horrible means of political and social degradation left in
the world."

Adam Smith ("Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter 1, Part 3, Ant. 3):
"The Church of Rome is the most formidable combination that ever was
formed against the authority and security of civil government, as well
as against the liberty, reason, and happiness of mankind."

Gladstone ("Speeches of Pope Pius IX," page 173):
"When the Pope speaks of the liberation of the Church, he means merely
this, that it is to set its foot on the neck of every other power."

In Dean Stanley's "Life of Dr. Arnold," (Volume II, page 411, London,
1844) we read:
"This is the last night, I trust, in which I shall sleep in the Pope's
dominions; for it is impossible not to be sickened with a government
such as this, which discharges no one function decently. The ignorance
of the people is prodigious (enormous): how can it be otherwise?"

Father Chiniquy in his book, "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome,"
factuates the Vatican being responsible for the death of that dear
man, Abraham Lincoln. He states on Page 512:
"I come fearlessly today before the American people to say and prove
that the President, Abraham Lincoln, was assassinated by the priests
and Jesuits of Rome."
And if you have read this book, then you have noted that the Vatican
also maligned the reputation of Chiniquy for his revealing the evil of
Rome. This book was very popular when I first got converted (1957).
Today, you probably could not purchase this book in most Christian
book stores, due mainly to the influence of the Charismatic Movement,
which has been raised up by Satan to lure true Christians into the
judgement of idolatrous Rome, though God's Word forbids His people to
have fellowship with these wafer-god idolaters (See II Corinthians
6:14-18). It seems rather strange that many Roman Catholics are coming
out of Rome, and at the same time, many born-again Christians are
going into Rome. You would think that the testimonies of so many
former Roman Catholics would be a sufficient warning to these poor
deluded souls, but alas, Satan still posing as an angel of light,
captivated the hearts and minds of many. Of course, at the root of
this apostasy is "sinful pleasure," for the Charismatic Movement
allows its followers to do their "own thing," with the word,
"repentance," being almost (if not totally) absent from their
vocabulary. And though these reprobates have been "bought with a
price," they now "deny the Lord that bought them," for they have
"chosen the way of Cain." May God use this message to turn some of
these souls back into the way before they come to experience just what
Paul meant when he said: "That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (II Thessalonians
2:12)


D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones (author of the well-recognized commentary on
Romans, published by Zondervan) in his sermon preached in Westminster
Chapel on January 29, 1961 and printed in The Westminster Record, May,
1963, states:
"This system (Romanism) is altogether more dangerous than is Communism
itself, because this is a counterfeit, this does it in the name of
Christ. This is ‘the scarlet woman,' this is the most horrible, foul
deception of all, because it uses His name."

"Let me warn you very solemnly that if you rejoice in these approaches
to Rome you are denying the blood of the martyrs."

"There is no difficulty about this; this is a counterfeit, a sham;
this is prostitution of the worst and most diabolical kind. It is
indeed a form of the antichrist, and it is to be rejected, it is to be
denounced; but above all, it is to be countered."

A. B. Simpson, (founder of the "Christian and Missionary Alliance,"
with headquarters at Nyack, N.Y.) states very clearly in his book,
"The Fourfold Gospel," page 84, the following:
"The predicted ‘falling away,' has long ago begun, and the man of sin
has set in God's temple already the full time of the prophetic cycle,
and the process has begun which is to ‘consume and destroy unto the
end.' The Papacy has fulfilled almost all the lineaments of its
marvelous portrait."

Again, in "The Christian and Missionary Alliance" magazine, editorial
page, August 1, 1903, we read:
"The death of the Pope after a protracted illness and a prolonged
career of successful administration of the great religious body over
which he presided, marked an epoch of great importance. While all
bitter controversial spirit may well be hushed in the presence of
death, ....yet we cannot but utter a humble protest against the
reckless and indiscriminate way in which many Christians and Christian
journals seem to forget notwithstanding the highest personal
qualities, that this man was the head of and front for the most
pernicious and dangerous system of religion on earth today, the very
antichrist of prophecy and the unchanged enemy of Christ and His most
holy faith."
Certainly there is no mistaking the intent of dear Brother Simpson's
words in this editorial for which I give thanks to our dear Lord for
recording such a witness for later generations. Hallelujah!


J.C. Ryle, in his book, "Warnings to the Churches," (Published by The
Banner of Truth Trust, page 163) states:
"Surely, when the mind of God about idolatry is so plainly revealed to
us in His Word, it seems the height of infatuation in any one to join
a church so steeped in idolatries as the Church of Rome. To enter into
communion with her, when God is saying, ‘Come out of her, that ye be
not partakers of her sins, and receive not of her plagues' (Rev.
18:4), to seek her when the Lord is warning us to leave her -- to
become her subjects when the Lord's voice is crying, ‘Escape for thy
life, flee from the wrath to come;' all this is mental blindness."
Again on page 166, we read:

"When Rome has repealed the decrees of Trent, and her additions to the
creed , -- when Rome has recanted her false and unscriptural
doctrines, -- when Rome has formally renounced image-worship,
Mary-worship, and trans-substantiation, -- then, and not till then, it
will be time to talk of reunion with her. Till then there is a gulf
between us which cannot be honestly bridged. Till then I call on all
Churchmen to resist to the death this idea of reunion with Rome. Till
then let our watch-words be ‘No peace with Rome! No communion with
idolaters!' Well says the admirable Bishop Jewell, in his Apology, "We
do not decline concord and peace with men; but we will not continue in
a state of war with God that we might have peace with men! -- If the
Pope does indeed desire we should be reconciled to him, he ought first
to reconcile himself to God.'"

John Wesley in his "Explanatory Notes Upon the New Testament,"
Revelation 13:1, Proposition 5, Page 697:
"The beast is the Romish papacy. This manifestly follows from the
third and fourth propositions: the beast has a strict connection with
the city of Rome; and the beast is now existing. Therefore, either
there is some other power more strictly connected with that city, or
the Pope is the beast."

Albert Barnes in his one volume commentary on the New Testament,
published by Kregel, also declares without any hesitation, that Rome
is Babylon (see Revelation 13 and 17). My copy is on loan at the
present time.


Henry H. Halley in the famous "Halley's Bible Handbook," published by
Zondervan, contrasts the Roman Papacy with the Beast of Revelation 13
and in Revelation 17, Page 732, he states:
"The horrors of the Inquisition, ordered and maintained by the Popes,
over a period of five hundred years, in which unnumbered millions were
tortured and burned, constitute the MOST BRUTAL BEASTLY AND DEVILISH
PICTURE in all history. It is inconceivable that any Ecclesiastical
Organization, in its mania for power, could have distorted and
desecrated and corrupted, for its own exaltation, the beautiful and
holy religion of Jesus, as the Papacy has done. But Facts are Facts.
And, most amazing of all, it seems exactly pre-figured in Revelation.
No wonder John's vision made him sick at heart (10:10)."

Matthew Henry, commenting on II Thessalonians 2:4:
"...to whom can this better apply than to the Bishops of Rome...?"

Bishop Ellicott has this to say concerning Revelation 17:
"Is it then, the question must be asked, Papal Rome? The answer is: In
so far as Papal Rome has wielded tyrant power, turned persecutor,
stood between the spirits of men and Christ, depraved men's
consciences, withheld the truth, connived at visiousness, sought
aggrandizement, and been a political machine rather than a witness for
the righteous King, she has inherited the features of Babylon. The
recognition of these features led Dante to apply this very passage in
the Apocalypse to Rome under the rule of worldly and tyrant Popes..."

William Smith, in his "Smith's Bible Dictionary," published by Holman,
(Four Thousand Questions and Answers), page 405:
"59. What was the fourth beast like? -- It was terrible and strong,
and had iron teeth and ten horns.
61. Who is the representative of that fourth or final power now? --
The Pope of Rome. The popish system, as far as it has any remaining
power."
These are his comments on Daniel.


Walter Criswell, pastor of the famed First Baptist Church of Dallas,
Texas commenting on Revelation 17:
"...the worship of mother and child spread throughout the whole world,
from Babylon to Assyria, to Phoenicia, to Pergamos, and finally to
Rome itself. There the Roman Emperor was elected Pontifex Maximus...
and when the Roman Emperor passed away, that title of the rites and
mysteries of the cult of mother and child, the Babylon mystery of
idolatry, was assumed by the Bishop of Rome."

Dr. H. Ward Beecher, "The Papal Conspiracy Exposed," pages 176-177:
"The system, as a system, is false and pernicious."

Dean Alford, "Letters From Abroad," pages 66-67:
"Rome...is the worst city in the civilized world."

John Albert Bengel, "New Testament Word Studies," Volume II, page 895
(Published by Kregel):
"5. The Beast is the Roman Papacy."

Wycliffe, Luther, Melanchthon, Knox, Latimer, Ridley, Cranmer, etc.,
also spoke of the Roman Church being Babylon and the Papacy being the
Anti-christ.


When I was first converted about 25 years ago, there was in the front
of the King James version of the Bible, the statement that the Pope
was the "man of sin." Today, that has been removed. Just another point
of the great apostasy that is taking place in regards to the true
Church flirting with Rome. We should note how Paul ties in the
"falling away" with "that man of sin" in II Thessalonians 2. My
personal belief is that the main element of this apostasy is the true
Church seeking a common fellowship with this "mother of whores" (Rome)
and its "man of sin" (the Pope). As God's Israel of the Old Testament
apostasized into Babylon and her idolatry; so it seems that God's
spiritual Israel of the New Testament is doing the same thing. But God
still has His faithful remnant who still are crying out, "Come out of
her, My people." (Revelation 18:4)

And last, but not least, a word from the enemy herself...


The Bull Sanctum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November, 1302,
(quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184) reads
as follows:
"The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We
declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman
Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation.


Pope Nicholas said, (quoted in "Antichrist" by Ian Paisley, page 54),
I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of
God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God
can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?
But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to
ask the following question, "Has not Rome changed recently?" To answer
this most vital question, I turn once again to the mesage of D. Martyn
Lloyd Jones:

"'Ah but,' you say, ‘has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century-- don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?' My
answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past -- but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same. If anything, she is even worse. She has
'added' things to what she taught in the 16th century, such as Papal
infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome. And
if there ever is one great world Church it will be because the Church
of Rome has absorbed all the rest and swallowed them in their
ignorance!"
Looking once again at this most vital question, "Has not the Church of
Rome changed?" -- just consider some of the trouble spots in the world
today:


Cuba with it's Castro. I wonder if Castro has ever been excommunicated
from the Catholic Church?


Poland with its Lech Walesa. Why did Pope Paul II tell Walesa "to
remain a member of the Communist system, not to flaunt his rejection
of basic Communist principles" according to William F. Buckley, Jr.
(N.Y. Daily News, February 3, 1981)?

No one can claim that Buckley is being prejudiced against Rome for he
himself is a staunch Roman Catholic. Buckley goes on to say, "One
thinks back to 1948, when the Christian Democrats and the Communists
were fighting for the soul of Italy. On that occasion Pope Pius the
XII issued a write of automatic excommunication from the church of any
Catholic who voted for the Communists or who sided with or abetted
them in their work. That interdict has never been disavowed. A
canonical lawyer given to erstic advocacy could theoretically prove
that by giving such advice as the present Pope gave to Walesa, the
Pope excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church. Ridiculous, of
course; but only that grand mosaic of paradoxes and accommodations can
account for the survival of the church over the centuries."

I would comment on this by saying that Buckley would have been a wee
bit truer had he used the word, "hypocricies," in place of the word,
"paradoxes." Nevertheless, Buckley, a staunch Roman Catholic, has
unwittingly proven the Pope to be the "hypocrite of the ages." This
entire affair seems almost like a replay of the second world war. Rome
has proven herself not only to be the "mother of whores," but also the
"mother of wars." Avro Manhattan factuates this truth in his book,
"Vatican in World Politics." One more statement by Buckley in this
same editorial is worthy of mention. He says, "Writing in 1954,
Whittaker Chambers predicted that the future of the West's relations
with the Soviet Union would best be understood by closely examining
the role of Cardinal Wyszynski in Poland."


Ireland, with its I.R.A. which is predominantly Roman Catholic. Jimmy
Breslin, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981) makes some interesting
comments on how blood-thirsty Roman Catholics are: "The President and
Haig the General somehow might be able to get their small war going in
El Salvador, but it won't be a real good one. This is because American
Catholics, who used to erupt with joy at the notion of drawing blood,
are against it...there just won't be as many people killed as there
could be with traditional Catholic participation." No one can accuse
Breslin of being prejudiced, for he also is a Roman Catholic.


El Salvador, predominantly Roman Catholic. While President Reagan
desires to stop this country from being taken over by the Communists,
the main voice speaking out against the U.S. is Roman Catholic.
Breslin states, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981): "American
Catholic bishops policy calls for the end of military aid to the El
Salvador government. The Rev. Thomas Marti of the Maryknoll wrote: ‘It
is evident that those of us who are deeply concerned with regard to
social justice and human rights in El Salvador, as well as throughout
the world, are working in an entirely different framework than
President Reagan and his administration.'" In the New York Times,
dated February 3, 1981, the U.S. Committee in Solidarity with the
People of El Salvador (that word, solidarity sounds familiar!) had a
one page advertisement entitled, "Let the People of El Salvador
Decide," (approximate cost - $25,000). The majority of the individuals
and institutions listed on this committee are Roman Catholic. Some of
the more outstanding individuals listed on this committee (though some
are not Roman Catholic) are: Andrew Young, former U.S. Ambassador to
the U.N., of whom New Hampshire Governor Thompson observed that "Young
is actually representing the SOCIALIST AND MARXIST NATIONS of the
‘third world;'" Kris Kristofferson who pretended to be born again
(with the help of Campus Crusade for Christ), but then went back to
making obscene movies ("The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea");
Erica Jong, author of immoral books; Jane Fonda, Trouble-maker of the
Viet Nam conflict; Bella Abzug; Rev. Wm. Sloan Coffin, Senior Minister
at N.Y. City's Riverside Church, the peace activist who fractured his
wife's skull with a karate chop in 1974 (see N.Y. Post, Sept. 26,
1980). Of course, this advertisement was against the U.S. intervention
in El Salvador.


Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic. According to the
New York Times, March 20, 1981, page 9, a Jesuit priest attempted to
overthrow the present regime of President Marcos. According to Station
WINS, in N.Y. City, (April 8, 1981), the election now taking place is
running 5 to 1 in favor of President Marcos, so it is for certain that
the will of this Jesuit priest was not the will of the people. The
question arises, "Whose will was it that Marcos should be overthrown?"
There's only one answer. "The Vatican."

One other question that should be on our hearts in discussing this
matter is, "Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic?" The
only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman
Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the
people. Note the following statement by John Gunther in his book,
"Inside Europe Today," published by Harper and Brothers, page 150:

"The extreme right wing of the Church (of Rome) deplores too active
and accent on education, because (a) this may lead to apostasy, and
(b) an educated elite, becoming the ruling class, might turn out to be
anticlerical and a competitor of the Church."
We should also note the words of H. G. Wells in his book, "Crux
Ansata," page 105:

"The Pope is now the head of only about fifty millions of
semi-literates scattered about the planet...the Pope sets himself to
hold back and frustrate the secular modernization of the world."
Again, H. G. Wells, on page 132:

"Like an octopus it has no creative impulse but only an instinct to
survive. In Ireland, Spain, Italy, reactionary France, North and South
America, Japan, and wherever it can stretch a tentacle, it seeks
allies in every element that is socially base, that will help it to
continue its struggle against the awakening liberalism of the ‘United
Demoncracies.'"
In light of all this evidence, should we give any logical credence to
what Rome has to say about the persons of Jack Chick and Alberto
Rivera? God forbid!


Secondly, getting back to Alberto Rivera and your accusation against
him and the Chick organization, I do not believe that Jack Chick would
jeopardize his well-grounded ministry without some definite leading of
the Holy Spirit. Surely a luke-warm Christian would not put himself in
such jeopardy. Just a small consideration of what Rome has done to
those who exposed her in the past would tell me that Chick has laid
his very life on the line. And what of his dear family? Has he not
also jeopardized them?


Thirdly, I must consider Alberto himself. Why would he also put
himself and his dear family in such jeopardy? Look at the enclosed
picture of this dear family. Note the precious smile on Alberto's
face. I have never met a child of darkness who had such light upon his
countenance. Again, why would he ever enter upon such a venture? What
could he possibly gain by such a move? No, logic moves me to conclude
that he is being led by the Holy Spirit of our dear Lord. God bless
his brave heart!


Fourthly, I must consider Satan's part in all this, in the light of
what Jesus says in Matthew 12:25-26, "Every kingdom divided against
itself is brought to desolation...And if Satan cast out Satan, he is
divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" In the
light of the much proven fact that Rome has always been a devilish
system and the curse of everything it touches, I doubt very seriously
that the Devil himself would author a book that at least has started
people once again thinking about the great evil of Rome. The Devil may
not be wise, but he is shrewd and cunning.


Fifthly, I must also consider the true holy living Christians that I
personally know. And though they be few, yet they are in agreement
that this is of God.


Sixthly, though Rome has proven herself to be the greatest fraud ever
put off on mankind, I do not recall your magazine going to any great
length to expose her as such, even though such a move on your part
would be a most blessed benefit to all of mankind, especially the body
of Christ. Again, I must ask the question, why is your magazine so
anxious to expose dear Alberto? A good question, for even if I thought
for a moment that his book, "Alberto," was set forth in pretense,
could not my heart rejoice (as the Apostle Paul does in Philippians
1:18) that once again this "mother of all spiritual whoredoms" is
being brought again to the attention of the true sheep of God? I must
say that I am very suspicious of your motive in printing this
articlle. Also, I noted on the second page of your article where Roman
Catholic Editor of "Our Sunday Visitor" states: "...The sad thing is
that Chick's lies are hard to refute." It may be that they are "hard
to refute" simply because they are true! Amen!


And last, I must consider the fact that to my remembrance (and I read
extensively) I have never read anything against J. T. Chick until he
attacked Rome. The Devil's mad and I'm so glad! Hallelujah!

I could go on, but I'm afraid I may have labored you too much already,
so I will stop. I do pray that this letter will be received in the
spirit in which it is written; and God willing, may the truth set
forth in it reach the hearts of many dear souls, lest they end up with
the mark of the Beast. May God also encourage your heart to search
this matter out diligently, lest you be found to be fighting against
the very Spirit of Truth, Himself, even our dear Lord. I do believe if
you and I could go to visit with Alberto Rivera, we would walk away
fully convinced that he is true. I think you should consider the trip.

Written by one who loves Jesus and hates the devout enemies of Jesus
with that perfect hatred that David speaks of in Psalm 139:21-22, I
remain,

Someone who is praying for you,

(signed) James M. Houston
Messengers for Eternity
300 Hayes Drive
Saddle Brook, N.J. 07662

P.S. I failed to thank you for the free advertising you have given to
Chick's "Alberto." "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for
the truth" (II Corinthians 13:8). Hallelujah! Martin Luther said:
"Cursed be that love and unity for whose sake the Word of God must be
put to stake," and I say 10,000 "Amens!" JMH


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William Suzanne always has a problem with someone exposing the fact
that Rome hasn't changed, she still justifies persecution and killing,
AND SHE IS PLANNING TO CONTINUE THIS ACTIVITY AGAIN TO MASS MILLIONS!!

He claims that to inform the masses about these morbid facts is hatred
of Catholics. He then, being a Jesuit, naturally has the ability to
condemn the Adventist Church without giving any considerations to the
lies he has told. Since he did that, let's examine the Houston letter
as Jesuits from Christianity Today were given an important warning
Post by Susan Williams
Post by Susan Williams
While we were arguing away on the newsgroups, the subject of the Bush
Administration's policies under anti-terrorism was discussed. Again,
after major websites such as Jack Chick's (www.chick.com) had been
reporting that Rome hates the American Constitution and all liberty,
Ted Seeber became very insensed that we would question the Bush
Administration's policies of "updating" their anti-terrorism policies
simply by regressing the Constitution as if that was the enemy-which
is exactly what the Bush Administration did!
The super-terrorist Jesuit William Suzanne replies, forgetting that of
a group of a hundred people, some could disagree with his bulls and
Post by Susan Williams
.....<blahblah, the usual, snip>
I reply:

How would you know? This was the lie that William Suzanne brought so
that I would stop telling the truth:

But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Post by Susan Williams
Transvestite Ted (Susan) thinks (s)he is SO innocent
Imagine how anyone exposing super-terrorist are to feel when another
super-terrorist asks if I think I am so innocent!
Post by Susan Williams
Post by Susan Williams
Other Christians would be helping
the needy and poor and would be into concerns far different.
Christians like your cult, who claim an anti-Americn conspiracy of
true Christians while your cult picks our pockets as evidenced by this
"A History of Complaints Dog Adventist Aid Agency."
The agency referred to is ADRA, the Adventist Development and Relief
Agency of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.
<SNIP the Antichrist Jesuit Crap!>

This was a whole article posted by Jesuit William Suzanne who, with
his other super-terrorists have been telling us we are not to expose
other religions, for to do that would be hating its members.

The subject was about blood in light of Homeland Security. The
subject was not about super-terrorists trying to change the subject.

You mean it is OK to expose the crimes of Rome now? William Suzanne
is showing us it is right to hate all Adventists? Can I post and
expose the unparalleled crimes of Rome now? Guilty of hate crimes?

How about this! Now compare the crimes William Suzanne is Jesuit
paranoid about and compare what is written here:

http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp

In defense of former Jesuit
Alberto Rivera
When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
message.

The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward. Following is the letter
he wrote in defense of Alberto Rivera.

Since the Christianity Today letter is still being distributed to
attack Alberto's God-given message, even going so far as to deny he
was ever a priest, we feel it is appropriate to make Houston's
rebuttal available as well. It is vital that Bible-believing
Christians understand the true nature of the Roman Catholic Church, so
they will understand why they need to reach out in love to Catholics
to lead them to saving faith in Jesus Christ.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Editor
Christianity Today
465 Gundersen Drive
Carol Stream, Illinois 60187

Dear Sir:

I have read your three page article exposing J.T. Chick's
"Alberto" to be a fraud (see Christianity Today, March 13, 1981). I
would like to make the following comments on the same hoping that God
in His sovereignty would allow this letter to be printed (in full) in
a future issue of Christianity Today:

Considering the evidence set forth in your article, though I find many
things stated of which Alberto Rivera may or may not be guilty, I can
find no evidence in the article that proves him to be a fraud, unless
of course, I'm misunderstanding the word: "fraud." You do state what
Rome herself has to say about Alberto. Who in a right frame of mind
(unless they are totally ignorant of history) would give heed to her
words in the light of the following evidence:

Her teaching that "the end justifies the means" allows her the freedom
to lie, just as long as it propagates her cause.

H.G. Wells, noted historian, in his book, "Crux Ansata," states:
Page 105 - "Roman Catholicism is a broken and utterly desperate thing,
capable only of malignant mischief in our awakening world."

Page 155 - "I think that it stands for everything most hostile to the
mental emancipation and stimulation of mankind. It is the completest,
most highly organized system of prejudices and antagonisms in
existence. Everywhere in the world there are ignorance and prejudice,
but the greatest complex of these, with the most extensive prestige
and the most intimate entanglement with traditional institutions, is
the Roman Catholic Church. It presents many faces towards the world,
but everywhere it is systematic in its fight against freedom."


Lord Macaulay, in his "Essays on Ranke's History of the Popes, 1852,"
page 548, states:
"It is impossible to deny that the polity of the Church of Rome is the
very masterpiece of human wisdom....The experience of 1,200 eventful
years, the ingenuity and patient care of forty generations of
statesmen, have improved that polity to such perfection, that, among
the contrivances which have been devised for deceiving and controlling
mankind, it occupies the highest place."
Again, Macaulay in his "History of England," (Volume 1, page 47)
states:

"the loveliest and most fertile provinces of Europe have under her
(Rome's) rule, been sunk in poverty, in political servitude, and in
intellectual torpor."

Charles Dickens' "Life," (by Foster, Volume II, page 274) described
Popery as:
"the most horrible means of political and social degradation left in
the world."

Adam Smith ("Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter 1, Part 3, Ant. 3):
"The Church of Rome is the most formidable combination that ever was
formed against the authority and security of civil government, as well
as against the liberty, reason, and happiness of mankind."

Gladstone ("Speeches of Pope Pius IX," page 173):
"When the Pope speaks of the liberation of the Church, he means merely
this, that it is to set its foot on the neck of every other power."

In Dean Stanley's "Life of Dr. Arnold," (Volume II, page 411, London,
1844) we read:
"This is the last night, I trust, in which I shall sleep in the Pope's
dominions; for it is impossible not to be sickened with a government
such as this, which discharges no one function decently. The ignorance
of the people is prodigious (enormous): how can it be otherwise?"

Father Chiniquy in his book, "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome,"
factuates the Vatican being responsible for the death of that dear
man, Abraham Lincoln. He states on Page 512:
"I come fearlessly today before the American people to say and prove
that the President, Abraham Lincoln, was assassinated by the priests
and Jesuits of Rome."
And if you have read this book, then you have noted that the Vatican
also maligned the reputation of Chiniquy for his revealing the evil of
Rome. This book was very popular when I first got converted (1957).
Today, you probably could not purchase this book in most Christian
book stores, due mainly to the influence of the Charismatic Movement,
which has been raised up by Satan to lure true Christians into the
judgement of idolatrous Rome, though God's Word forbids His people to
have fellowship with these wafer-god idolaters (See II Corinthians
6:14-18). It seems rather strange that many Roman Catholics are coming
out of Rome, and at the same time, many born-again Christians are
going into Rome. You would think that the testimonies of so many
former Roman Catholics would be a sufficient warning to these poor
deluded souls, but alas, Satan still posing as an angel of light,
captivated the hearts and minds of many. Of course, at the root of
this apostasy is "sinful pleasure," for the Charismatic Movement
allows its followers to do their "own thing," with the word,
"repentance," being almost (if not totally) absent from their
vocabulary. And though these reprobates have been "bought with a
price," they now "deny the Lord that bought them," for they have
"chosen the way of Cain." May God use this message to turn some of
these souls back into the way before they come to experience just what
Paul meant when he said: "That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (II Thessalonians
2:12)


D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones (author of the well-recognized commentary on
Romans, published by Zondervan) in his sermon preached in Westminster
Chapel on January 29, 1961 and printed in The Westminster Record, May,
1963, states:
"This system (Romanism) is altogether more dangerous than is Communism
itself, because this is a counterfeit, this does it in the name of
Christ. This is ‘the scarlet woman,' this is the most horrible, foul
deception of all, because it uses His name."

"Let me warn you very solemnly that if you rejoice in these approaches
to Rome you are denying the blood of the martyrs."

"There is no difficulty about this; this is a counterfeit, a sham;
this is prostitution of the worst and most diabolical kind. It is
indeed a form of the antichrist, and it is to be rejected, it is to be
denounced; but above all, it is to be countered."

A. B. Simpson, (founder of the "Christian and Missionary Alliance,"
with headquarters at Nyack, N.Y.) states very clearly in his book,
"The Fourfold Gospel," page 84, the following:
"The predicted ‘falling away,' has long ago begun, and the man of sin
has set in God's temple already the full time of the prophetic cycle,
and the process has begun which is to ‘consume and destroy unto the
end.' The Papacy has fulfilled almost all the lineaments of its
marvelous portrait."

Again, in "The Christian and Missionary Alliance" magazine, editorial
page, August 1, 1903, we read:
"The death of the Pope after a protracted illness and a prolonged
career of successful administration of the great religious body over
which he presided, marked an epoch of great importance. While all
bitter controversial spirit may well be hushed in the presence of
death, ....yet we cannot but utter a humble protest against the
reckless and indiscriminate way in which many Christians and Christian
journals seem to forget notwithstanding the highest personal
qualities, that this man was the head of and front for the most
pernicious and dangerous system of religion on earth today, the very
antichrist of prophecy and the unchanged enemy of Christ and His most
holy faith."
Certainly there is no mistaking the intent of dear Brother Simpson's
words in this editorial for which I give thanks to our dear Lord for
recording such a witness for later generations. Hallelujah!


J.C. Ryle, in his book, "Warnings to the Churches," (Published by The
Banner of Truth Trust, page 163) states:
"Surely, when the mind of God about idolatry is so plainly revealed to
us in His Word, it seems the height of infatuation in any one to join
a church so steeped in idolatries as the Church of Rome. To enter into
communion with her, when God is saying, ‘Come out of her, that ye be
not partakers of her sins, and receive not of her plagues' (Rev.
18:4), to seek her when the Lord is warning us to leave her -- to
become her subjects when the Lord's voice is crying, ‘Escape for thy
life, flee from the wrath to come;' all this is mental blindness."
Again on page 166, we read:

"When Rome has repealed the decrees of Trent, and her additions to the
creed , -- when Rome has recanted her false and unscriptural
doctrines, -- when Rome has formally renounced image-worship,
Mary-worship, and trans-substantiation, -- then, and not till then, it
will be time to talk of reunion with her. Till then there is a gulf
between us which cannot be honestly bridged. Till then I call on all
Churchmen to resist to the death this idea of reunion with Rome. Till
then let our watch-words be ‘No peace with Rome! No communion with
idolaters!' Well says the admirable Bishop Jewell, in his Apology, "We
do not decline concord and peace with men; but we will not continue in
a state of war with God that we might have peace with men! -- If the
Pope does indeed desire we should be reconciled to him, he ought first
to reconcile himself to God.'"

John Wesley in his "Explanatory Notes Upon the New Testament,"
Revelation 13:1, Proposition 5, Page 697:
"The beast is the Romish papacy. This manifestly follows from the
third and fourth propositions: the beast has a strict connection with
the city of Rome; and the beast is now existing. Therefore, either
there is some other power more strictly connected with that city, or
the Pope is the beast."

Albert Barnes in his one volume commentary on the New Testament,
published by Kregel, also declares without any hesitation, that Rome
is Babylon (see Revelation 13 and 17). My copy is on loan at the
present time.


Henry H. Halley in the famous "Halley's Bible Handbook," published by
Zondervan, contrasts the Roman Papacy with the Beast of Revelation 13
and in Revelation 17, Page 732, he states:
"The horrors of the Inquisition, ordered and maintained by the Popes,
over a period of five hundred years, in which unnumbered millions were
tortured and burned, constitute the MOST BRUTAL BEASTLY AND DEVILISH
PICTURE in all history. It is inconceivable that any Ecclesiastical
Organization, in its mania for power, could have distorted and
desecrated and corrupted, for its own exaltation, the beautiful and
holy religion of Jesus, as the Papacy has done. But Facts are Facts.
And, most amazing of all, it seems exactly pre-figured in Revelation.
No wonder John's vision made him sick at heart (10:10)."

Matthew Henry, commenting on II Thessalonians 2:4:
"...to whom can this better apply than to the Bishops of Rome...?"

Bishop Ellicott has this to say concerning Revelation 17:
"Is it then, the question must be asked, Papal Rome? The answer is: In
so far as Papal Rome has wielded tyrant power, turned persecutor,
stood between the spirits of men and Christ, depraved men's
consciences, withheld the truth, connived at visiousness, sought
aggrandizement, and been a political machine rather than a witness for
the righteous King, she has inherited the features of Babylon. The
recognition of these features led Dante to apply this very passage in
the Apocalypse to Rome under the rule of worldly and tyrant Popes..."

William Smith, in his "Smith's Bible Dictionary," published by Holman,
(Four Thousand Questions and Answers), page 405:
"59. What was the fourth beast like? -- It was terrible and strong,
and had iron teeth and ten horns.
61. Who is the representative of that fourth or final power now? --
The Pope of Rome. The popish system, as far as it has any remaining
power."
These are his comments on Daniel.


Walter Criswell, pastor of the famed First Baptist Church of Dallas,
Texas commenting on Revelation 17:
"...the worship of mother and child spread throughout the whole world,
from Babylon to Assyria, to Phoenicia, to Pergamos, and finally to
Rome itself. There the Roman Emperor was elected Pontifex Maximus...
and when the Roman Emperor passed away, that title of the rites and
mysteries of the cult of mother and child, the Babylon mystery of
idolatry, was assumed by the Bishop of Rome."

Dr. H. Ward Beecher, "The Papal Conspiracy Exposed," pages 176-177:
"The system, as a system, is false and pernicious."

Dean Alford, "Letters From Abroad," pages 66-67:
"Rome...is the worst city in the civilized world."

John Albert Bengel, "New Testament Word Studies," Volume II, page 895
(Published by Kregel):
"5. The Beast is the Roman Papacy."

Wycliffe, Luther, Melanchthon, Knox, Latimer, Ridley, Cranmer, etc.,
also spoke of the Roman Church being Babylon and the Papacy being the
Anti-christ.


When I was first converted about 25 years ago, there was in the front
of the King James version of the Bible, the statement that the Pope
was the "man of sin." Today, that has been removed. Just another point
of the great apostasy that is taking place in regards to the true
Church flirting with Rome. We should note how Paul ties in the
"falling away" with "that man of sin" in II Thessalonians 2. My
personal belief is that the main element of this apostasy is the true
Church seeking a common fellowship with this "mother of whores" (Rome)
and its "man of sin" (the Pope). As God's Israel of the Old Testament
apostasized into Babylon and her idolatry; so it seems that God's
spiritual Israel of the New Testament is doing the same thing. But God
still has His faithful remnant who still are crying out, "Come out of
her, My people." (Revelation 18:4)

And last, but not least, a word from the enemy herself...


The Bull Sanctum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November, 1302,
(quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184) reads
as follows:
"The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We
declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman
Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation.


Pope Nicholas said, (quoted in "Antichrist" by Ian Paisley, page 54),
I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of
God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God
can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?
But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to
ask the following question, "Has not Rome changed recently?" To answer
this most vital question, I turn once again to the mesage of D. Martyn
Lloyd Jones:

"'Ah but,' you say, ‘has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century-- don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?' My
answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past -- but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same. If anything, she is even worse. She has
'added' things to what she taught in the 16th century, such as Papal
infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome. And
if there ever is one great world Church it will be because the Church
of Rome has absorbed all the rest and swallowed them in their
ignorance!"
Looking once again at this most vital question, "Has not the Church of
Rome changed?" -- just consider some of the trouble spots in the world
today:


Cuba with it's Castro. I wonder if Castro has ever been excommunicated
from the Catholic Church?


Poland with its Lech Walesa. Why did Pope Paul II tell Walesa "to
remain a member of the Communist system, not to flaunt his rejection
of basic Communist principles" according to William F. Buckley, Jr.
(N.Y. Daily News, February 3, 1981)?

No one can claim that Buckley is being prejudiced against Rome for he
himself is a staunch Roman Catholic. Buckley goes on to say, "One
thinks back to 1948, when the Christian Democrats and the Communists
were fighting for the soul of Italy. On that occasion Pope Pius the
XII issued a write of automatic excommunication from the church of any
Catholic who voted for the Communists or who sided with or abetted
them in their work. That interdict has never been disavowed. A
canonical lawyer given to erstic advocacy could theoretically prove
that by giving such advice as the present Pope gave to Walesa, the
Pope excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church. Ridiculous, of
course; but only that grand mosaic of paradoxes and accommodations can
account for the survival of the church over the centuries."

I would comment on this by saying that Buckley would have been a wee
bit truer had he used the word, "hypocricies," in place of the word,
"paradoxes." Nevertheless, Buckley, a staunch Roman Catholic, has
unwittingly proven the Pope to be the "hypocrite of the ages." This
entire affair seems almost like a replay of the second world war. Rome
has proven herself not only to be the "mother of whores," but also the
"mother of wars." Avro Manhattan factuates this truth in his book,
"Vatican in World Politics." One more statement by Buckley in this
same editorial is worthy of mention. He says, "Writing in 1954,
Whittaker Chambers predicted that the future of the West's relations
with the Soviet Union would best be understood by closely examining
the role of Cardinal Wyszynski in Poland."


Ireland, with its I.R.A. which is predominantly Roman Catholic. Jimmy
Breslin, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981) makes some interesting
comments on how blood-thirsty Roman Catholics are: "The President and
Haig the General somehow might be able to get their small war going in
El Salvador, but it won't be a real good one. This is because American
Catholics, who used to erupt with joy at the notion of drawing blood,
are against it...there just won't be as many people killed as there
could be with traditional Catholic participation." No one can accuse
Breslin of being prejudiced, for he also is a Roman Catholic.


El Salvador, predominantly Roman Catholic. While President Reagan
desires to stop this country from being taken over by the Communists,
the main voice speaking out against the U.S. is Roman Catholic.
Breslin states, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981): "American
Catholic bishops policy calls for the end of military aid to the El
Salvador government. The Rev. Thomas Marti of the Maryknoll wrote: ‘It
is evident that those of us who are deeply concerned with regard to
social justice and human rights in El Salvador, as well as throughout
the world, are working in an entirely different framework than
President Reagan and his administration.'" In the New York Times,
dated February 3, 1981, the U.S. Committee in Solidarity with the
People of El Salvador (that word, solidarity sounds familiar!) had a
one page advertisement entitled, "Let the People of El Salvador
Decide," (approximate cost - $25,000). The majority of the individuals
and institutions listed on this committee are Roman Catholic. Some of
the more outstanding individuals listed on this committee (though some
are not Roman Catholic) are: Andrew Young, former U.S. Ambassador to
the U.N., of whom New Hampshire Governor Thompson observed that "Young
is actually representing the SOCIALIST AND MARXIST NATIONS of the
‘third world;'" Kris Kristofferson who pretended to be born again
(with the help of Campus Crusade for Christ), but then went back to
making obscene movies ("The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea");
Erica Jong, author of immoral books; Jane Fonda, Trouble-maker of the
Viet Nam conflict; Bella Abzug; Rev. Wm. Sloan Coffin, Senior Minister
at N.Y. City's Riverside Church, the peace activist who fractured his
wife's skull with a karate chop in 1974 (see N.Y. Post, Sept. 26,
1980). Of course, this advertisement was against the U.S. intervention
in El Salvador.


Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic. According to the
New York Times, March 20, 1981, page 9, a Jesuit priest attempted to
overthrow the present regime of President Marcos. According to Station
WINS, in N.Y. City, (April 8, 1981), the election now taking place is
running 5 to 1 in favor of President Marcos, so it is for certain that
the will of this Jesuit priest was not the will of the people. The
question arises, "Whose will was it that Marcos should be overthrown?"
There's only one answer. "The Vatican."

One other question that should be on our hearts in discussing this
matter is, "Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic?" The
only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman
Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the
people. Note the following statement by John Gunther in his book,
"Inside Europe Today," published by Harper and Brothers, page 150:

"The extreme right wing of the Church (of Rome) deplores too active
and accent on education, because (a) this may lead to apostasy, and
(b) an educated elite, becoming the ruling class, might turn out to be
anticlerical and a competitor of the Church."
We should also note the words of H. G. Wells in his book, "Crux
Ansata," page 105:

"The Pope is now the head of only about fifty millions of
semi-literates scattered about the planet...the Pope sets himself to
hold back and frustrate the secular modernization of the world."
Again, H. G. Wells, on page 132:

"Like an octopus it has no creative impulse but only an instinct to
survive. In Ireland, Spain, Italy, reactionary France, North and South
America, Japan, and wherever it can stretch a tentacle, it seeks
allies in every element that is socially base, that will help it to
continue its struggle against the awakening liberalism of the ‘United
Demoncracies.'"
In light of all this evidence, should we give any logical credence to
what Rome has to say about the persons of Jack Chick and Alberto
Rivera? God forbid!


Secondly, getting back to Alberto Rivera and your accusation against
him and the Chick organization, I do not believe that Jack Chick would
jeopardize his well-grounded ministry without some definite leading of
the Holy Spirit. Surely a luke-warm Christian would not put himself in
such jeopardy. Just a small consideration of what Rome has done to
those who exposed her in the past would tell me that Chick has laid
his very life on the line. And what of his dear family? Has he not
also jeopardized them?


Thirdly, I must consider Alberto himself. Why would he also put
himself and his dear family in such jeopardy? Look at the enclosed
picture of this dear family. Note the precious smile on Alberto's
face. I have never met a child of darkness who had such light upon his
countenance. Again, why would he ever enter upon such a venture? What
could he possibly gain by such a move? No, logic moves me to conclude
that he is being led by the Holy Spirit of our dear Lord. God bless
his brave heart!


Fourthly, I must consider Satan's part in all this, in the light of
what Jesus says in Matthew 12:25-26, "Every kingdom divided against
itself is brought to desolation...And if Satan cast out Satan, he is
divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" In the
light of the much proven fact that Rome has always been a devilish
system and the curse of everything it touches, I doubt very seriously
that the Devil himself would author a book that at least has started
people once again thinking about the great evil of Rome. The Devil may
not be wise, but he is shrewd and cunning.


Fifthly, I must also consider the true holy living Christians that I
personally know. And though they be few, yet they are in agreement
that this is of God.


Sixthly, though Rome has proven herself to be the greatest fraud ever
put off on mankind, I do not recall your magazine going to any great
length to expose her as such, even though such a move on your part
would be a most blessed benefit to all of mankind, especially the body
of Christ. Again, I must ask the question, why is your magazine so
anxious to expose dear Alberto? A good question, for even if I thought
for a moment that his book, "Alberto," was set forth in pretense,
could not my heart rejoice (as the Apostle Paul does in Philippians
1:18) that once again this "mother of all spiritual whoredoms" is
being brought again to the attention of the true sheep of God? I must
say that I am very suspicious of your motive in printing this
articlle. Also, I noted on the second page of your article where Roman
Catholic Editor of "Our Sunday Visitor" states: "...The sad thing is
that Chick's lies are hard to refute." It may be that they are "hard
to refute" simply because they are true! Amen!


And last, I must consider the fact that to my remembrance (and I read
extensively) I have never read anything against J. T. Chick until he
attacked Rome. The Devil's mad and I'm so glad! Hallelujah!

I could go on, but I'm afraid I may have labored you too much already,
so I will stop. I do pray that this letter will be received in the
spirit in which it is written; and God willing, may the truth set
forth in it reach the hearts of many dear souls, lest they end up with
the mark of the Beast. May God also encourage your heart to search
this matter out diligently, lest you be found to be fighting against
the very Spirit of Truth, Himself, even our dear Lord. I do believe if
you and I could go to visit with Alberto Rivera, we would walk away
fully convinced that he is true. I think you should consider the trip.

Written by one who loves Jesus and hates the devout enemies of Jesus
with that perfect hatred that David speaks of in Psalm 139:21-22, I
remain,

Someone who is praying for you,

(signed) James M. Houston
Messengers for Eternity
300 Hayes Drive
Saddle Brook, N.J. 07662

P.S. I failed to thank you for the free advertising you have given to
Chick's "Alberto." "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for
the truth" (II Corinthians 13:8). Hallelujah! Martin Luther said:
"Cursed be that love and unity for whose sake the Word of God must be
put to stake," and I say 10,000 "Amens!" JMH


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William Suzanne
2003-09-20 13:26:03 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
William Suzanne always has a problem with someone exposing the fact
that Rome hasn't changed
"Susan" Williams always has a problem accepting that "she" is really a
man, a member of a cult, and minion of Satan.
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 13:55:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
William Suzanne always has a problem with someone exposing the fact
that Rome hasn't changed
"Susan" Williams always has a problem accepting that "she" is really a
man, a member of a cult, and minion of Satan.
You constantly diverting to your real paranoid concerns is proof you
have a deadly problem besides your thirst for non-Catholic blood.

You didn't even address the letter in response to your attacks and
hatred of all Adventists, since you demons told us that to expose the
most bloody religion of all is hating all Catholics! You didn't even
address the Houston Letter proving that your cult has done worse than
all other institutions put together many times!!

Since "exposing" Adventists is no problem for you since you are immune
to all your lessons against hatred and personal attacks, I bring
again the Houston Letter:


==============



— Reproduced by permission
©1988 by Sidney Hunter


Chapter 3
Answer To Article In Christianity Today

Christianity Today is the title of a very ecumenical magazine. Though
it is supposedly a Christian periodical, true Bible-believing
Christians were not surprised when Christianity Today attacked Alberto
Rivera and the information he has presented.

Three pages of their March 13, 1981 issue were devoted to "proving
Alberto to be a fraud."

Did the magazine honestly believe Alberto to be a fraud or was there
another reason for their actions? Many interesting questions are
raised:

Did they attack Alberto for fear of angering their Roman Catholic
readers and losing money through falling subscriptions?
Is it possible that the Catholics are really in control of the
magazine and that they organized the whole smear campaign to discredit
Alberto in the eyes of those who believe Christianity Today is really
a Christian magazine?
Is Christianity Today even Christian to begin with?

As a result of the magazine article, a former Roman Catholic named
James M. Houston wrote a letter to Christianity Today in answer to
their attacking article about Rivera.

We reprint part of his letter as further proof of the validity of what
Alberto Rivera has said. Please keep in mind that James Houston is in
no way connected to either Alberto Rivera or Jack Chick.

Part of his letter reads as follows:

"I have read your three page article exposing J. T. Chick's 'Alberto'
to be a fraud (see Christianity Today, March 13, 1981). I would like
to make the following comments on the same hoping that God in His
sovereignty would allow this letter to be printed (in full) in a
future issue of Christianity Today:
Considering the evidence set forth in your article, though I find many
things stated of which Alberto Rivera may or may not be guilty, I can
find no evidence in the article that proves him to be a fraud, unless
of course, I'm misunderstanding the word: 'fraud.' You do state what
Rome herself has to say about Alberto. Who in a right frame of mind
(unless they are totally ignorant of history) would give heed to her
words in the light of the following evidence:
Her teaching that 'the end justifies the means' allows her the freedom
to lie, just as long as it propagates her cause.
H. G. Wells, noted historian, in his book, Crux Ansata, states:
Page 105 -'Roman Catholicism is a broken and utterly desperate thing,
capable only of malignant mischief in our awakening world.'

Page 155 -'I think that it stands for everything most hostile to the
mental emancipation and stimulation of mankind. It is the completest,
most highly organized system of prejudices and antagonisms in
existence. Everywhere in the world there is ignorance and prejudice,
but the greatest complex of these, with the most extensive prestige
and the most intimate entanglement with traditional institutions, is
the Roman Catholic Church. It presents many faces towards the world,
but everywhere it is systematic in its filght against freedom.'

Lord Macaulay, says on page 548 of his 1852 Essays On Ranke's History
Of The Popes:

It is impossible to deny that the polity of the Church of Rome is the
very masterpiece of human wisdom....The experience of 1,200 eventful
years, the ingenuity and patient care of forty generations of
statesmen, have improved that polity to such perfection, that, among
the contrivances which have been devised for deceiving and controlling
mankind, it occupies the highest place.'

"But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted
to ask the following question, 'Has not Rome changed recently?' To
answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of
D. Martyn Lloyd Jones:

'Ah, but,' you say, 'has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century - don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?
My answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past - but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same.

If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she
taught in the 16th century, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No,
there is no change in the Church of Rome. And if there ever is one
great world Church, it will be because the Church of Rome has absorbed
all the rest and swallowed them in ignorance!'


"In the light of all this evidence, should we give any logical
credence to what Rome has to say about the persons of Jack Chick and
Alberto Rivera? God forbid!

"Secondly, getting back to Alberto Rivera and your accusation against
him and the Chick organization, I do not believe that Jack Chick would
jeopardize his well grounded ministry without some definite leading of
the Holy Spirit. Surely he would never put himself in such jeopardy
unless he was quite sure Alberto was genuine.

"Just a small consideration of what Rome has done to those who exposed
her in the past tells me that Chick has laid his very life on the
line. And what of his dear family? Has he not also jeopardized them?

"Thirdly, I must consider Alberto himself. Why would he also put
himself and his dear family in such jeopardy? What could he possibly
gain by such a move? No, logic moves me to conclude that he is being
led by the Holy Spirit of our dear Lord. God bless his brave heart!

"Fourthly, I must consider Satan's part in all this, in the light of
what Jesus says in Matthew 12:25-26:

"Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation ... And
if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall his
kingdom stand?'

"In the light of the much proven fact that Rome has always been a
devilish system and the curse of everything it touches, I doubt very
seriously that the Devil himself would author a book that at least has
started people once again thinking about the great evil of Rome. The
Devil may not be wise, but he is shrewd and cunning.

"Fifthly, I must also consider the true, holy, living Christians that
I personally know. And though they be few, yet they are in agreement
that this is of God.

"Sixthly, though Rome has proven herself to be the greatest fraud ever
put off on mankind, I do not recall your magazine going to any great
length to expose her as such, even though such a move on your part
would be a most blessed benefit to all of mankind, especially the body
of Christ.

"Again, I must ask the question, why is your magazine so anxious to
expose dear Alberto? A good question, for even if I thought for a
moment that this book, ALBERTO, was set forth in pretense, could not
my heart rejoice (as the Apostle Paul does in Philippians 1: 18) that
once again this 'mother of all spiritual whoredoms' is being brought
again to the attention of the TRUE sheep of God? I must say that I am
very suspicious of your motive in printing this article.

"Also, I noted on the second page of your article where the Roman
Catholic Editor of Our Sunday Visitor states: '...The sad thing is
that Chick's ties are hard to refute.' It may be that they are 'hard
to refute' simply because they are true! Amen!

"And last, I must consider the fact that to my remembrance (and I read
extensively) I have never read anything against J. T. Chick UNTIL he
attacked Rome. The Devil's mad and I'm so glad! Hallelujah!

"I could go on, but I'm afraid I may have labored you too much
already, so I will stop. I do pray that this letter will be received
in the spirit in which it is written; and God willing, may the truth
set forth in it reach the hearts of many DEAR souls, lest they end up
with the mark of the Beast. May God also encourage your heart to
search this matter out diligently, lest you be found to be fighting
against the very Spirit of Truth, Himself, even our dear Lord.

"Written by one who loves Jesus and hates the DEVOUT enemies of Jesus
with that PERFECT hatred that David speaks of in Psalm 139:21-22, I
remain,

Someone who is praying for you,
(.signed) James M. Houston"


In this letter, Mr. Houston asks some very good questions. For
example:

Why is Christianity Today so anxious to condemn a man who is exposing
a false religious system?
Where's the proof to substantiate the allegations that are leveled
against Alberto? The article is long on accusations, but solid proof
is conspicuously absent.
Christianity Today says the Catholic church denies that Alberto was
ever a priest. Would you expect them to come out and admit that he
was? Never!

While the article was designed to discredit and smear Alberto, a
careful reading of it only reinforces the information this servant of
God has presented.


Conclusion

In light of all this, how can any honest person believe the
Roman-inspired lies about A. Rivera and J. Chick? We have presented
independent evidence which heavily supports Rivera's charges against
the Roman church, evidence which can be obtained by anyone without
much difficulty.

We offer this challenge to any so called "expert on the cults," or any
other skeptic. Before you accuse these two fine Christian brethren,
first get your facts right. Attacking the cults is good and useful;
however, don't focus on the minor cults without exposing the biggest,
most evil and dangerous one first. Otherwise, don't be surprised if
true born again Bible-believing Christians view your efforts with
suspicion.

Before you accuse either of them of "hating Catholics," find out what
you're talking about. It is not hate, but true love, that motivates
these men to cry out to deceived lost souls perishing in a false
religion. Who is guilty of hate? Men who try to awaken and rescue the
perishing, or pious religious leaders who deceive multitudes and help
push them into the eternal flames of hell?

No, it is neither Rivera or Chick who are guilty of hate. They are to
be commended for their genuine love and compassion for the lost. If
you care to discuss hate, study the history of the Catholic
institution. Their past is replete with acts that perfectly define the
word hate.


In His Grace,



Susan

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Teresita
2003-09-20 20:38:20 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, William Suzanne
says...
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
William Suzanne always has a problem with someone exposing the fact
that Rome hasn't changed
"Susan" Williams always has a problem accepting that "she" is really a
man, a member of a cult, and minion of Satan.
Maybe she really is a woman. She seems to do her schtick for about five days
once a month.

--
Encyclopedia Teresita
http://web.newsguy.com/teresita
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 22:00:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Curtis
says...
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
William Suzanne always has a problem with someone exposing the fact
that Rome hasn't changed
"Susan" Williams always has a problem accepting that "she" is really a
man, a member of a cult, and minion of Satan.
Maybe she really is a woman. She seems to do her schtick for about five days
once a month.
What else is there to do when the truth is being revealed about the
most dangerous cult in the world and you cannot prove otherwise? Go
to psychiatrist Joseph Meehan so that your priorities can be
straightened out?


A man by the name of Ted Seeber condemned all non-Catholic life when
with approval he told us that:

"NONE of the groups persecuted by the Catholics were living the Bible.
They were living their personal interpretations of God, not the Bible"

You can find that statement here as I submit the evidence:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.religion.christian.adventist&scoring=r&as_drrb=b&as_mind=5&as_minm=10&as_miny=2001&as_maxd=7&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2001&selm=55de15cf.0110071743.205a5dea%40posting.google.com

Brother Ted revealed that this was done just after the 911 attacks
when America was assessng what a terrorist was with respect to human
life.

Because of the revelation, Ted Seeber had to make an excuse and leave.
He left his website up, but his pictures and other things appeared to
have disappeared from it.

Soon, another killer super-terrorist became insensed at what was done
to Ted Seeber. He then moved out to attack me as I was showing how
Seeber confirmed THAT ROME HADN'T CHANGED. She still has
mass-exterminations as part of her agenda, practice and habits. To
accomplish this she has demons in human form trained to storm all free
media and teach people how they must understand that people will
disagree.

That killer refashioned his name after mine in the reverse and called
himself "William Suzanne." The man then entered with the boldest of
lies, much like John Ashcroft telling us the Patriot Act is
Constitutional!

He comes in telling us that SEEBER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR (or represent)
Rome in his condemnation of all non-Catholics.

I had to ask the super-terrorist more than once why then he wasn't
upset with Seeber for MISREPRESENTING Rome. As usual, the
super-terrorist then moved into an unbridled attack against the
Adventist Church LEAVING THE QUESTION COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED!!

Here is that attack now. Let us therefore compare churches since
people like Will Suzanne toild us that to expose Rome is to hate EVERY
SINGLE CATHOLIC and to be hateful, but he then has no trouble HATING
EVERY SINGLE ADVENTIST!! The Protestants not only told us that Rome
mass-murdered and never changes, she also told us that Rome's army
members ARE UNSCRUPULOUS hopelessly and blindly so!

Let's therefore watch just one of their fulfillments in action as he
has not stopped his attacks, neither has he dared to answer the
question that was given him, but now maintains I must answer his
Post by Edward Curtis
Seventh-day Adventists won't tell you they are behind the "Revelation
Seminars" they sponsor. They act all" interdenominational" if
questioned. Watch out for these SDA outreaches as well: Voice of
Prophecy, Faith for Today, It is Written, The Quiet Hour, Amazing
Facts etc. They also hide behind Heath oriented shows on the networks,
and sponsor stop-smoking clinics etc, all as introductions to
Seventh-day Adventism.
Let's compare the worst of the "crimes" of Adventism with the PARANOID
super-terrorist killers of the Pope as with this poster who calls
himself the reverse of my name.
Post by Edward Curtis
Often, the only tip-off that what you are reading originates with them
is that it is published by "Pacific Press". They produce bright and
colorful Children's books, often seen in medical and dental offices,
and of course, unsuspecting Church libraries.
Some of you may well not be convinced that Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics on the newsgroups. Actually, to this day, even those on
the newsgroups who formerly denied it had to confess that Seeber did
just that, and they went into every manner of defense for Seeber. As
we expose the dialogues, we will more prove this. However, since we
started this work, another person came out more boldly and gave
approval of the deaths of millions of Christians. She posts under the
name of Teresita. When I made mention of that great Christian work
Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, detailing centuries of uncountable murders of
bible-believing Christians, she referred to the work as:

"Foxe's Book of Hereticks." She therefore approved of their deaths
because they viewed religion differently:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b0165u09im%40drn.newsguy.com
1/14/2003

Naturally, we got on her case for her boldness here as we still have
the liberty to do in this free country.

Teresita in response lied to us, telling us that when she called
Foxe's Book of Martyrs "Foxe's Book of Heretics," she was only
referring to the Albigenses of the Protestant Reformation 5/29/2003
who were a minority group of Christians during that time:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb521t01pej%40drn.newsguy.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dg:thl3424526807d%26dq%3D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dbb521t01pej%2540drn.newsguy.com>

How do we know she was lying? The Albigenses were hardly mentioned in
that massive work. Protestants usually have little to say about the
Albigenses BECAUSE BOTH THEMSELVES AND ALL THEIR WORKS WERE COMPLETELY
ANNIHILATED BY ROME! But more proof that she was lying comes in her
next response as she worked to divert from my advancing questions:

Teresita belied her claim that she was only refering to the Albigenses
when she condemned the Christian martyrs as “hereticks” by condemning
Tyndale, who was not one of the Albigenses:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bcfbru0230p%40drn.newsguy.com>

LASTLY AND MOST STRONGLY:

When pressed further and further to reveal her beliefs she is trained
to hide on the matter of the value of human life, Teresita says the
Vatican merely carried out God's commands when they killed millions of
Christians because the Israelites did the same with their enemies:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl270768597d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb5kmo0vt2%40drn.newsguy.com>

Here is that dialogue below:

From: Teresita (***@newsguy.com)
Subject: Re: Teresita responds inappropriatly

Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
Date: 2003-05-29 12:05:31 PST
Post by Edward Curtis
Like Ted Seeber, you gave approval to their deaths and then come on the forums telling me I hate people just because they disagree.
We are still under Homeland Security right through to the destruction of this nation. We are asked to report all terrorist activity found
in people who have a profound disrespect of human life!
Teresita replies:
We merely carried out God's commandment in His Eternal Word:

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your
towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what
is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his
covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or
the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have
forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall
inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an
abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth
to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you
shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."


ARE YOU LISTENING HOMELAND SECURITY??? She claims the scriptures
mandated their actions IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!! Is it the New Testament
now? Do those scriptures still exist now and have weight now IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT??
Post by Edward Curtis
They very much want to be perceived as Evangelical Christians, seeking
a place on the ministerial fellowships. All this is good PR for them,
but what do they really believe?
True Adventist are no like that. The problem is that demon-possessed
killers from the Antichrist such as William Suzanne have infiltrated
our church to the CORE. That is why when Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics to persecution and death, Paul Tooley came in to lie
claimng that he didn't do that, and then attacked me for exposing him.
They are trying to tell us that is standard behavior for Adventiss and
that I am not one.

Antichrist Andrew then attacked, claiming that by Brother Ted
frequently posting, he has childhood trauma and a dysfunctional home.
All of these said not the slightest word against the man who condemned
them to death.

COMPARE THE ISSUES THE SUPER-TERRORIST IS BRINGING AGAINST THE
ADVENTIST CHURCH WITH WHAT I'M SHIOWING YOU AND SEE WHAT YOU WOULD
PREFER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!
Post by Edward Curtis
What facts won't they tell you?
Will Adventists tell you that you must protect a man who has condemned
the lives of all non-Catholics? Will they then tell you that a person
who exposes such a person is hateful and Satans child as William
Suzanne, Lamarr Edwards, "Adventist" Paul Tooley and "Adventist"
Andrew have done?

COMPARE THE ISSUES THE SUPER-TERRORIST IS BRINGING AGAINST THE
ADVENTIST CHURCH WITH WHAT I'M SHIOWING YOU AND SEE WHAT YOU WOULD
PREFER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!
Post by Edward Curtis
They won't tell you that they consider themselves to be the only,
true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they
revere and believe without question has told them that
I would tell anyone that. But do you know folks that the major reasn
Rome has shed more blood than any institution on earth was because all
those centuries of the Christian era SHE HAS BEEN SAYING THAT SHE WAS
THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH?? Do you know that she recently published a
public document REAFFIRMING THIS??

Now the man is telling us the Adventist Church is trying to hide the
claim. Rome doesn't hide the claim. Would something smell bad if the
Evangelical community accepts Rome anyway even though her claims to be
the true church always invovles the shedding of much blood to those
who disagree?
Post by Edward Curtis
"...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts
V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to
God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).
That is what they think of you and your church, even if they won't say
it out loud in public, or to your face.
Now listen to what the Protestants used to say BEFORE, so that we can
figure out if something has taken possession of them:

"But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted
to ask the following question, 'Has not Rome changed recently?' To
answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of
D. Martyn Lloyd Jones:

'Ah, but,' you say, 'has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century - don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?

My answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past - but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same.

If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she
taught in the 16th century, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No,
there is no change in the Church of Rome. And if there ever is one
great world Church, it will be because the Church of Rome has absorbed
all the rest and swallowed them in ignorance!'

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Post by Edward Curtis
They revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this
statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never
What the super-terrorists won't tell you AND WHAT THEY HAVE NOT
RETRACTED! COMPARE THE "CRIMES!":

"If Catholics ever gain a sufficient numerical majority in this
country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say, SO WE
BELIEVE" (The Shepherd of the Valley, official journal of the Bishop
of St Louis, Nov. 23, 1851).
Post by Edward Curtis
"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen
White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the
Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the
other".
Ted McMillan:
"No man has a right to choose his religion." -- (New York Freeman,
official journal of Bishops Hughes, Jan. 26, 1852).
Post by Edward Curtis
They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public
seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point
of conversion and baptism.
Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the
candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,
"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe
that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the
remnant church".
If the candidate says "yes" and is baptized, they soon learn that the
"gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them
accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy.
They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know
how exclusive it is, yet!
Ted McMillan:
"The church . . . does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor,
liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." -- (Catholic World,
April, 1870.)

"Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where
Catholicity has triumphed." -- (Catholic Review, June, 1875)
Post by Edward Curtis
No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word
Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and
doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that
the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.
Slowly, but surely, the new SDA will come to believe these
extra-biblical doctrines that set the SDA church apart from
Evangelical Christianity.
Ted McMillan:
"Religious Liberty is merely endured UNTIL THE OPPOSITE CAN BE CARRIED
INTO EFFECT WITHOUT PERIL TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." -- (Rt. Rev.
O'Connor, Bishop of Pittsburgh.)

"The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty
of conscience are a most pestilential error--a pest, of all others,
most to be dreaded in a state." -- Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius IX,
August 15, 1854.

"There is, ere long, to be a state religion in this country, and that
state religion is to be the Roman Catholic. . . The Roman Catholic is
to wield his vote for the purpose of securing Catholic ascendancy in
this country." -- (Father Hecker, Catholic World, July, 1870.)

"If the liberties of the American people are ever destroyed, they will
fall by the hands of the Catholic clergy." -- Lafayette

"You ask if the Pope were lord over this land and you were in a
minority, what he would do to you? That, we say, would entirely depend
on circumstances. If it would benefit the cause of Catholicism, he
would tolerate you: if expedient, he would imprison, banish you,
probably he might even hang you. But be assured of one thing, he would
never tolerate you for the sake of your glorious principles of Civil
and religious liberty." -- (Rambler, one of the most prominent
Catholic papers of England, Sept., 1851.)


WHICH WOULD YOU WANT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!

How about William Suzanne telling us that ELLEN WHITE, dead for almost
100 years, IS THE ANTICHRIST!! When Christ comes, He will smell like
a rose just ressurrecting Ellen White to punish her for destroying the
earth!!

In His Grace,



Susan Williams

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Maybe she really is a woman. She seems to do her schtick for about five days
once a month.
What else is there to do when the truth is being revealed about the
most dangerous cult in the world and you cannot prove otherwise? Go
to psychiatrist Joseph Meehan so that your priorities can be
straightened out?
That linebacker frame of yours is busting out of that little dress. Remember,
whatsoever ye shall rip, ye shall sew.

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Maybe she really is a woman. She seems to do her schtick for about five days
once a month.
What else is there to do when the truth is being revealed about the
most dangerous cult in the world and you cannot prove otherwise? Go
to psychiatrist Joseph Meehan so that your priorities can be
straightened out?
That linebacker frame of yours is busting out of that little dress. Remember,
whatsoever ye shall rip, ye shall sew.
Is it probable that the person telling the lies and losing the
arguments is the person who needs to divert to paranoid Vatican
concerns?

Again now since you told us that biblically, all non-Catholics should
die, but if we expose this we hate Catholics:

Let's look at a true assessment of your Antichrist cult:


http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp

In defense of former Jesuit
Alberto Rivera
When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
message.

The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward. Following is the letter
he wrote in defense of Alberto Rivera.

Since the Christianity Today letter is still being distributed to
attack Alberto's God-given message, even going so far as to deny he
was ever a priest, we feel it is appropriate to make Houston's
rebuttal available as well. It is vital that Bible-believing
Christians understand the true nature of the Roman Catholic Church, so
they will understand why they need to reach out in love to Catholics
to lead them to saving faith in Jesus Christ.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Editor
Christianity Today
465 Gundersen Drive
Carol Stream, Illinois 60187

Dear Sir:

I have read your three page article exposing J.T. Chick's
"Alberto" to be a fraud (see Christianity Today, March 13, 1981). I
would like to make the following comments on the same hoping that God
in His sovereignty would allow this letter to be printed (in full) in
a future issue of Christianity Today:

Considering the evidence set forth in your article, though I find many
things stated of which Alberto Rivera may or may not be guilty, I can
find no evidence in the article that proves him to be a fraud, unless
of course, I'm misunderstanding the word: "fraud." You do state what
Rome herself has to say about Alberto. Who in a right frame of mind
(unless they are totally ignorant of history) would give heed to her
words in the light of the following evidence:

Her teaching that "the end justifies the means" allows her the freedom
to lie, just as long as it propagates her cause.

H.G. Wells, noted historian, in his book, "Crux Ansata," states:
Page 105 - "Roman Catholicism is a broken and utterly desperate thing,
capable only of malignant mischief in our awakening world."

Page 155 - "I think that it stands for everything most hostile to the
mental emancipation and stimulation of mankind. It is the completest,
most highly organized system of prejudices and antagonisms in
existence. Everywhere in the world there are ignorance and prejudice,
but the greatest complex of these, with the most extensive prestige
and the most intimate entanglement with traditional institutions, is
the Roman Catholic Church. It presents many faces towards the world,
but everywhere it is systematic in its fight against freedom."


Lord Macaulay, in his "Essays on Ranke's History of the Popes, 1852,"
page 548, states:
"It is impossible to deny that the polity of the Church of Rome is the
very masterpiece of human wisdom....The experience of 1,200 eventful
years, the ingenuity and patient care of forty generations of
statesmen, have improved that polity to such perfection, that, among
the contrivances which have been devised for deceiving and controlling
mankind, it occupies the highest place."
Again, Macaulay in his "History of England," (Volume 1, page 47)
states:

"the loveliest and most fertile provinces of Europe have under her
(Rome's) rule, been sunk in poverty, in political servitude, and in
intellectual torpor."

Charles Dickens' "Life," (by Foster, Volume II, page 274) described
Popery as:
"the most horrible means of political and social degradation left in
the world."

Adam Smith ("Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter 1, Part 3, Ant. 3):
"The Church of Rome is the most formidable combination that ever was
formed against the authority and security of civil government, as well
as against the liberty, reason, and happiness of mankind."

Gladstone ("Speeches of Pope Pius IX," page 173):
"When the Pope speaks of the liberation of the Church, he means merely
this, that it is to set its foot on the neck of every other power."

In Dean Stanley's "Life of Dr. Arnold," (Volume II, page 411, London,
1844) we read:
"This is the last night, I trust, in which I shall sleep in the Pope's
dominions; for it is impossible not to be sickened with a government
such as this, which discharges no one function decently. The ignorance
of the people is prodigious (enormous): how can it be otherwise?"

Father Chiniquy in his book, "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome,"
factuates the Vatican being responsible for the death of that dear
man, Abraham Lincoln. He states on Page 512:
"I come fearlessly today before the American people to say and prove
that the President, Abraham Lincoln, was assassinated by the priests
and Jesuits of Rome."
And if you have read this book, then you have noted that the Vatican
also maligned the reputation of Chiniquy for his revealing the evil of
Rome. This book was very popular when I first got converted (1957).
Today, you probably could not purchase this book in most Christian
book stores, due mainly to the influence of the Charismatic Movement,
which has been raised up by Satan to lure true Christians into the
judgement of idolatrous Rome, though God's Word forbids His people to
have fellowship with these wafer-god idolaters (See II Corinthians
6:14-18). It seems rather strange that many Roman Catholics are coming
out of Rome, and at the same time, many born-again Christians are
going into Rome. You would think that the testimonies of so many
former Roman Catholics would be a sufficient warning to these poor
deluded souls, but alas, Satan still posing as an angel of light,
captivated the hearts and minds of many. Of course, at the root of
this apostasy is "sinful pleasure," for the Charismatic Movement
allows its followers to do their "own thing," with the word,
"repentance," being almost (if not totally) absent from their
vocabulary. And though these reprobates have been "bought with a
price," they now "deny the Lord that bought them," for they have
"chosen the way of Cain." May God use this message to turn some of
these souls back into the way before they come to experience just what
Paul meant when he said: "That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (II Thessalonians
2:12)


D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones (author of the well-recognized commentary on
Romans, published by Zondervan) in his sermon preached in Westminster
Chapel on January 29, 1961 and printed in The Westminster Record, May,
1963, states:
"This system (Romanism) is altogether more dangerous than is Communism
itself, because this is a counterfeit, this does it in the name of
Christ. This is ‘the scarlet woman,' this is the most horrible, foul
deception of all, because it uses His name."

"Let me warn you very solemnly that if you rejoice in these approaches
to Rome you are denying the blood of the martyrs."

"There is no difficulty about this; this is a counterfeit, a sham;
this is prostitution of the worst and most diabolical kind. It is
indeed a form of the antichrist, and it is to be rejected, it is to be
denounced; but above all, it is to be countered."

A. B. Simpson, (founder of the "Christian and Missionary Alliance,"
with headquarters at Nyack, N.Y.) states very clearly in his book,
"The Fourfold Gospel," page 84, the following:
"The predicted ‘falling away,' has long ago begun, and the man of sin
has set in God's temple already the full time of the prophetic cycle,
and the process has begun which is to ‘consume and destroy unto the
end.' The Papacy has fulfilled almost all the lineaments of its
marvelous portrait."

Again, in "The Christian and Missionary Alliance" magazine, editorial
page, August 1, 1903, we read:
"The death of the Pope after a protracted illness and a prolonged
career of successful administration of the great religious body over
which he presided, marked an epoch of great importance. While all
bitter controversial spirit may well be hushed in the presence of
death, ....yet we cannot but utter a humble protest against the
reckless and indiscriminate way in which many Christians and Christian
journals seem to forget notwithstanding the highest personal
qualities, that this man was the head of and front for the most
pernicious and dangerous system of religion on earth today, the very
antichrist of prophecy and the unchanged enemy of Christ and His most
holy faith."
Certainly there is no mistaking the intent of dear Brother Simpson's
words in this editorial for which I give thanks to our dear Lord for
recording such a witness for later generations. Hallelujah!


J.C. Ryle, in his book, "Warnings to the Churches," (Published by The
Banner of Truth Trust, page 163) states:
"Surely, when the mind of God about idolatry is so plainly revealed to
us in His Word, it seems the height of infatuation in any one to join
a church so steeped in idolatries as the Church of Rome. To enter into
communion with her, when God is saying, ‘Come out of her, that ye be
not partakers of her sins, and receive not of her plagues' (Rev.
18:4), to seek her when the Lord is warning us to leave her -- to
become her subjects when the Lord's voice is crying, ‘Escape for thy
life, flee from the wrath to come;' all this is mental blindness."
Again on page 166, we read:

"When Rome has repealed the decrees of Trent, and her additions to the
creed , -- when Rome has recanted her false and unscriptural
doctrines, -- when Rome has formally renounced image-worship,
Mary-worship, and trans-substantiation, -- then, and not till then, it
will be time to talk of reunion with her. Till then there is a gulf
between us which cannot be honestly bridged. Till then I call on all
Churchmen to resist to the death this idea of reunion with Rome. Till
then let our watch-words be ‘No peace with Rome! No communion with
idolaters!' Well says the admirable Bishop Jewell, in his Apology, "We
do not decline concord and peace with men; but we will not continue in
a state of war with God that we might have peace with men! -- If the
Pope does indeed desire we should be reconciled to him, he ought first
to reconcile himself to God.'"

John Wesley in his "Explanatory Notes Upon the New Testament,"
Revelation 13:1, Proposition 5, Page 697:
"The beast is the Romish papacy. This manifestly follows from the
third and fourth propositions: the beast has a strict connection with
the city of Rome; and the beast is now existing. Therefore, either
there is some other power more strictly connected with that city, or
the Pope is the beast."

Albert Barnes in his one volume commentary on the New Testament,
published by Kregel, also declares without any hesitation, that Rome
is Babylon (see Revelation 13 and 17). My copy is on loan at the
present time.


Henry H. Halley in the famous "Halley's Bible Handbook," published by
Zondervan, contrasts the Roman Papacy with the Beast of Revelation 13
and in Revelation 17, Page 732, he states:
"The horrors of the Inquisition, ordered and maintained by the Popes,
over a period of five hundred years, in which unnumbered millions were
tortured and burned, constitute the MOST BRUTAL BEASTLY AND DEVILISH
PICTURE in all history. It is inconceivable that any Ecclesiastical
Organization, in its mania for power, could have distorted and
desecrated and corrupted, for its own exaltation, the beautiful and
holy religion of Jesus, as the Papacy has done. But Facts are Facts.
And, most amazing of all, it seems exactly pre-figured in Revelation.
No wonder John's vision made him sick at heart (10:10)."

Matthew Henry, commenting on II Thessalonians 2:4:
"...to whom can this better apply than to the Bishops of Rome...?"

Bishop Ellicott has this to say concerning Revelation 17:
"Is it then, the question must be asked, Papal Rome? The answer is: In
so far as Papal Rome has wielded tyrant power, turned persecutor,
stood between the spirits of men and Christ, depraved men's
consciences, withheld the truth, connived at visiousness, sought
aggrandizement, and been a political machine rather than a witness for
the righteous King, she has inherited the features of Babylon. The
recognition of these features led Dante to apply this very passage in
the Apocalypse to Rome under the rule of worldly and tyrant Popes..."

William Smith, in his "Smith's Bible Dictionary," published by Holman,
(Four Thousand Questions and Answers), page 405:
"59. What was the fourth beast like? -- It was terrible and strong,
and had iron teeth and ten horns.
61. Who is the representative of that fourth or final power now? --
The Pope of Rome. The popish system, as far as it has any remaining
power."
These are his comments on Daniel.


Walter Criswell, pastor of the famed First Baptist Church of Dallas,
Texas commenting on Revelation 17:
"...the worship of mother and child spread throughout the whole world,
from Babylon to Assyria, to Phoenicia, to Pergamos, and finally to
Rome itself. There the Roman Emperor was elected Pontifex Maximus...
and when the Roman Emperor passed away, that title of the rites and
mysteries of the cult of mother and child, the Babylon mystery of
idolatry, was assumed by the Bishop of Rome."

Dr. H. Ward Beecher, "The Papal Conspiracy Exposed," pages 176-177:
"The system, as a system, is false and pernicious."

Dean Alford, "Letters From Abroad," pages 66-67:
"Rome...is the worst city in the civilized world."

John Albert Bengel, "New Testament Word Studies," Volume II, page 895
(Published by Kregel):
"5. The Beast is the Roman Papacy."

Wycliffe, Luther, Melanchthon, Knox, Latimer, Ridley, Cranmer, etc.,
also spoke of the Roman Church being Babylon and the Papacy being the
Anti-christ.


When I was first converted about 25 years ago, there was in the front
of the King James version of the Bible, the statement that the Pope
was the "man of sin." Today, that has been removed. Just another point
of the great apostasy that is taking place in regards to the true
Church flirting with Rome. We should note how Paul ties in the
"falling away" with "that man of sin" in II Thessalonians 2. My
personal belief is that the main element of this apostasy is the true
Church seeking a common fellowship with this "mother of whores" (Rome)
and its "man of sin" (the Pope). As God's Israel of the Old Testament
apostasized into Babylon and her idolatry; so it seems that God's
spiritual Israel of the New Testament is doing the same thing. But God
still has His faithful remnant who still are crying out, "Come out of
her, My people." (Revelation 18:4)

And last, but not least, a word from the enemy herself...


The Bull Sanctum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November, 1302,
(quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184) reads
as follows:
"The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We
declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman
Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation.


Pope Nicholas said, (quoted in "Antichrist" by Ian Paisley, page 54),
I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of
God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God
can do. What therefore can you make of me but God?
But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to
ask the following question, "Has not Rome changed recently?" To answer
this most vital question, I turn once again to the mesage of D. Martyn
Lloyd Jones:

"'Ah but,' you say, ‘has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century-- don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?' My
answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past -- but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same. If anything, she is even worse. She has
'added' things to what she taught in the 16th century, such as Papal
infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome. And
if there ever is one great world Church it will be because the Church
of Rome has absorbed all the rest and swallowed them in their
ignorance!"
Looking once again at this most vital question, "Has not the Church of
Rome changed?" -- just consider some of the trouble spots in the world
today:


Cuba with it's Castro. I wonder if Castro has ever been excommunicated
from the Catholic Church?


Poland with its Lech Walesa. Why did Pope Paul II tell Walesa "to
remain a member of the Communist system, not to flaunt his rejection
of basic Communist principles" according to William F. Buckley, Jr.
(N.Y. Daily News, February 3, 1981)?

No one can claim that Buckley is being prejudiced against Rome for he
himself is a staunch Roman Catholic. Buckley goes on to say, "One
thinks back to 1948, when the Christian Democrats and the Communists
were fighting for the soul of Italy. On that occasion Pope Pius the
XII issued a write of automatic excommunication from the church of any
Catholic who voted for the Communists or who sided with or abetted
them in their work. That interdict has never been disavowed. A
canonical lawyer given to erstic advocacy could theoretically prove
that by giving such advice as the present Pope gave to Walesa, the
Pope excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church. Ridiculous, of
course; but only that grand mosaic of paradoxes and accommodations can
account for the survival of the church over the centuries."

I would comment on this by saying that Buckley would have been a wee
bit truer had he used the word, "hypocricies," in place of the word,
"paradoxes." Nevertheless, Buckley, a staunch Roman Catholic, has
unwittingly proven the Pope to be the "hypocrite of the ages." This
entire affair seems almost like a replay of the second world war. Rome
has proven herself not only to be the "mother of whores," but also the
"mother of wars." Avro Manhattan factuates this truth in his book,
"Vatican in World Politics." One more statement by Buckley in this
same editorial is worthy of mention. He says, "Writing in 1954,
Whittaker Chambers predicted that the future of the West's relations
with the Soviet Union would best be understood by closely examining
the role of Cardinal Wyszynski in Poland."


Ireland, with its I.R.A. which is predominantly Roman Catholic. Jimmy
Breslin, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981) makes some interesting
comments on how blood-thirsty Roman Catholics are: "The President and
Haig the General somehow might be able to get their small war going in
El Salvador, but it won't be a real good one. This is because American
Catholics, who used to erupt with joy at the notion of drawing blood,
are against it...there just won't be as many people killed as there
could be with traditional Catholic participation." No one can accuse
Breslin of being prejudiced, for he also is a Roman Catholic.


El Salvador, predominantly Roman Catholic. While President Reagan
desires to stop this country from being taken over by the Communists,
the main voice speaking out against the U.S. is Roman Catholic.
Breslin states, (New York Daily News, March 8, 1981): "American
Catholic bishops policy calls for the end of military aid to the El
Salvador government. The Rev. Thomas Marti of the Maryknoll wrote: ‘It
is evident that those of us who are deeply concerned with regard to
social justice and human rights in El Salvador, as well as throughout
the world, are working in an entirely different framework than
President Reagan and his administration.'" In the New York Times,
dated February 3, 1981, the U.S. Committee in Solidarity with the
People of El Salvador (that word, solidarity sounds familiar!) had a
one page advertisement entitled, "Let the People of El Salvador
Decide," (approximate cost - $25,000). The majority of the individuals
and institutions listed on this committee are Roman Catholic. Some of
the more outstanding individuals listed on this committee (though some
are not Roman Catholic) are: Andrew Young, former U.S. Ambassador to
the U.N., of whom New Hampshire Governor Thompson observed that "Young
is actually representing the SOCIALIST AND MARXIST NATIONS of the
‘third world;'" Kris Kristofferson who pretended to be born again
(with the help of Campus Crusade for Christ), but then went back to
making obscene movies ("The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea");
Erica Jong, author of immoral books; Jane Fonda, Trouble-maker of the
Viet Nam conflict; Bella Abzug; Rev. Wm. Sloan Coffin, Senior Minister
at N.Y. City's Riverside Church, the peace activist who fractured his
wife's skull with a karate chop in 1974 (see N.Y. Post, Sept. 26,
1980). Of course, this advertisement was against the U.S. intervention
in El Salvador.


Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic. According to the
New York Times, March 20, 1981, page 9, a Jesuit priest attempted to
overthrow the present regime of President Marcos. According to Station
WINS, in N.Y. City, (April 8, 1981), the election now taking place is
running 5 to 1 in favor of President Marcos, so it is for certain that
the will of this Jesuit priest was not the will of the people. The
question arises, "Whose will was it that Marcos should be overthrown?"
There's only one answer. "The Vatican."

One other question that should be on our hearts in discussing this
matter is, "Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic?" The
only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman
Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the
people. Note the following statement by John Gunther in his book,
"Inside Europe Today," published by Harper and Brothers, page 150:

"The extreme right wing of the Church (of Rome) deplores too active
and accent on education, because (a) this may lead to apostasy, and
(b) an educated elite, becoming the ruling class, might turn out to be
anticlerical and a competitor of the Church."
We should also note the words of H. G. Wells in his book, "Crux
Ansata," page 105:

"The Pope is now the head of only about fifty millions of
semi-literates scattered about the planet...the Pope sets himself to
hold back and frustrate the secular modernization of the world."
Again, H. G. Wells, on page 132:

"Like an octopus it has no creative impulse but only an instinct to
survive. In Ireland, Spain, Italy, reactionary France, North and South
America, Japan, and wherever it can stretch a tentacle, it seeks
allies in every element that is socially base, that will help it to
continue its struggle against the awakening liberalism of the ‘United
Demoncracies.'"
In light of all this evidence, should we give any logical credence to
what Rome has to say about the persons of Jack Chick and Alberto
Rivera? God forbid!


Secondly, getting back to Alberto Rivera and your accusation against
him and the Chick organization, I do not believe that Jack Chick would
jeopardize his well-grounded ministry without some definite leading of
the Holy Spirit. Surely a luke-warm Christian would not put himself in
such jeopardy. Just a small consideration of what Rome has done to
those who exposed her in the past would tell me that Chick has laid
his very life on the line. And what of his dear family? Has he not
also jeopardized them?


Thirdly, I must consider Alberto himself. Why would he also put
himself and his dear family in such jeopardy? Look at the enclosed
picture of this dear family. Note the precious smile on Alberto's
face. I have never met a child of darkness who had such light upon his
countenance. Again, why would he ever enter upon such a venture? What
could he possibly gain by such a move? No, logic moves me to conclude
that he is being led by the Holy Spirit of our dear Lord. God bless
his brave heart!


Fourthly, I must consider Satan's part in all this, in the light of
what Jesus says in Matthew 12:25-26, "Every kingdom divided against
itself is brought to desolation...And if Satan cast out Satan, he is
divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" In the
light of the much proven fact that Rome has always been a devilish
system and the curse of everything it touches, I doubt very seriously
that the Devil himself would author a book that at least has started
people once again thinking about the great evil of Rome. The Devil may
not be wise, but he is shrewd and cunning.


Fifthly, I must also consider the true holy living Christians that I
personally know. And though they be few, yet they are in agreement
that this is of God.


Sixthly, though Rome has proven herself to be the greatest fraud ever
put off on mankind, I do not recall your magazine going to any great
length to expose her as such, even though such a move on your part
would be a most blessed benefit to all of mankind, especially the body
of Christ. Again, I must ask the question, why is your magazine so
anxious to expose dear Alberto? A good question, for even if I thought
for a moment that his book, "Alberto," was set forth in pretense,
could not my heart rejoice (as the Apostle Paul does in Philippians
1:18) that once again this "mother of all spiritual whoredoms" is
being brought again to the attention of the true sheep of God? I must
say that I am very suspicious of your motive in printing this
articlle. Also, I noted on the second page of your article where Roman
Catholic Editor of "Our Sunday Visitor" states: "...The sad thing is
that Chick's lies are hard to refute." It may be that they are "hard
to refute" simply because they are true! Amen!


And last, I must consider the fact that to my remembrance (and I read
extensively) I have never read anything against J. T. Chick until he
attacked Rome. The Devil's mad and I'm so glad! Hallelujah!

I could go on, but I'm afraid I may have labored you too much already,
so I will stop. I do pray that this letter will be received in the
spirit in which it is written; and God willing, may the truth set
forth in it reach the hearts of many dear souls, lest they end up with
the mark of the Beast. May God also encourage your heart to search
this matter out diligently, lest you be found to be fighting against
the very Spirit of Truth, Himself, even our dear Lord. I do believe if
you and I could go to visit with Alberto Rivera, we would walk away
fully convinced that he is true. I think you should consider the trip.

Written by one who loves Jesus and hates the devout enemies of Jesus
with that perfect hatred that David speaks of in Psalm 139:21-22, I
remain,

Someone who is praying for you,

(signed) James M. Houston
Messengers for Eternity
300 Hayes Drive
Saddle Brook, N.J. 07662

P.S. I failed to thank you for the free advertising you have given to
Chick's "Alberto." "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for
the truth" (II Corinthians 13:8). Hallelujah! Martin Luther said:
"Cursed be that love and unity for whose sake the Word of God must be
put to stake," and I say 10,000 "Amens!" JMH



In His Grace,



Susan

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Willie
2003-09-20 03:56:07 UTC
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Susan Williams
Post by Susan Williams
Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your
towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what
is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his
covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or
the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have
forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall
inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an
abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth
to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you
shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."
In His Grace,
Susan
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Bibliomancy: Divination by interpretation of a passage chosen at random from
a book, especially the Bible.

Divination:
1. The art or act of foretelling future events or revealing occult knowledge
by means of augury or an alleged supernatural agency.
2. An inspired guess or presentiment.
3. Something that has been divined.

Would this be prohibited?


"Willie"
William Suzanne
2003-09-15 17:28:32 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
Rivera's claims to having seven Ph.D's show what a liar he is.
Since William Suzanne broadcast to us that Ellen White, now dead for
almost a hundred years, is the Antichrist the whole world will follow.
I thought scripture told us the Antichrist IS A MAN!
How can you care about gender my dear transvestite Ted (Susan)? Your
own gender confusion is proof positive that your antichrist's gender
is unimportant.
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
As Rand Winburn, director of Protestant Reformation Publications
once challenged Jacke Chick: He (Rivera) claims "that he received his
first doctorate in 1947. The rest, he claimed, he received over the
next 9 years or so. Unfortunately, he admitted, he had no way of
proving that fact, which he attempted to explain by way of a kind of
thick, garbled, Spanish-Anglo doubletalk. Quite frankly, his English
was so poor it was difficult for me to believe he had even attained a
high school diploma, let alone six or seven doctorates. Later in the
same program, a caller, using elementary mathematics, computed Rivera
to be 12 years old when he received his Ph.D.! Alas, Rivera was again
forced to manifest his uncanny natural ability of double-talking his
way out of an extremely uncomfortable situation. Curiously, though he
began the radio interview by stating he had no tangible proof of his
many earned degrees, yet by the end of the
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
program he confessed to having 190 documents which ?prove? who he is."
I didn't know unscrupulous people can know that others had
inconsistencies!!
Post by unknown
Yet, neither Rivera or Jack Chick will produce these so-called documents.
You mean like the Jesuit Oath which you all keep and refuse to condemn
the hate according to the actions within it is fake?
Because it is not real - meaning, it was written by dishonorable
Protestants, not by Jesuits.
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
His claims, if true, would make him super human: he became a Jesuit, infiltrated and destroyed many churches, all while being able to study and earn seven doctorates.
Kind a like trying to convince the world you are here to allow people
to disagree, huh?
Post by unknown
Q: How long does it take to become a Jesuit?
A: Once a man finishes the two-year novitiate, he takes vows of poverty, chastity and obedience either as a Jesuit brother or as a scholastic who will prepare for ordination. At this time, the man is considered a Jesuit. On the average, it takes about nine more years of study and work before scholastics are ordained priests and brothers complete their formation.
The Roman Church has made all nations DRUNK! William Suzanne told us
Seeber, who condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death,
doesn't represent but MISrepresents Rome. I couldn't get the masters
of inconsistencies to tell us why Seeber did therefore upset them and
hate Catholics!
In His Grace,
Susan
Please make more sense in your sentences so I may reply properly. Can
you clarify your last sentence?

In His True Grace,
William Suzanne
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Susan Williams
2003-09-16 14:13:57 UTC
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Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.

WE THEN PLAINLY ASK YOU IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH--WHICH IT WAS NOT SINCE
IT CAME FROM YOU--WHY WERE YOU NOT UPSET WITH A MAN WHO HAS
MISREPRESENTED ROME!!!

Now don't tell me you did not see the question! Your next response to
then ignore the question entirely and start a propagandist campaign of
attack against the Adventist Church proves that you read and
understand the question. You then accused me of being unamerican
AFTER YOU SAW ME CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT SEEBER'S BOLD ATTACKS
AGAINST LIBERTY AND THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.

You get your definitions right! Satan's characteristics are lying and
murdering. You need to figure out which race of people are
deliberately seeking to deceive and murder! Teresita told us that
Rome murdered by clearly obeying God's word. Why wouldn't that upset
you? Remember you invented your name in the reverse of mine. I don't
think you did that to escape female sexual problems!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
Rivera's claims to having seven Ph.D's show what a liar he is.
Since William Suzanne broadcast to us that Ellen White, now dead for
almost a hundred years, is the Antichrist the whole world will follow.
I thought scripture told us the Antichrist IS A MAN!
How can you care about gender my dear transvestite Ted (Susan)? Your
own gender confusion is proof positive that your antichrist's gender
is unimportant.
Not confused then that you claim Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but
misrepresents it, but you're not upset at him? Other than that, I'm
not interested in your Jesuit paranoid conspiracy theories! Why
divert from issues of blood so that you can more again show us the
benefits of Vatican psychiatry?

But since William Suzanne broadcast to us that Ellen White, now dead
for almost a hundred years, is the Antichrist the whole world will
follow. II thought scripture told us the Antichrist IS A MAN!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
As Rand Winburn, director of Protestant Reformation Publications
once challenged Jacke Chick: He (Rivera) claims "that he received his
first doctorate in 1947. The rest, he claimed, he received over the
next 9 years or so. Unfortunately, he admitted, he had no way of
proving that fact, which he attempted to explain by way of a kind of
thick, garbled, Spanish-Anglo doubletalk. Quite frankly, his English
was so poor it was difficult for me to believe he had even attained a
high school diploma, let alone six or seven doctorates. Later in the
same program, a caller, using elementary mathematics, computed Rivera
to be 12 years old when he received his Ph.D.! Alas, Rivera was again
forced to manifest his uncanny natural ability of double-talking his
way out of an extremely uncomfortable situation. Curiously, though he
began the radio interview by stating he had no tangible proof of his
many earned degrees, yet by the end of the
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
program he confessed to having 190 documents which ?prove? who he is."
I didn't know unscrupulous people can know that others had
inconsistencies!!
Post by unknown
Yet, neither Rivera or Jack Chick will produce these so-called documents.
You mean like the Jesuit Oath which you all keep and refuse to condemn
the hate according to the actions within it is fake?
Because it is not real - meaning, it was written by dishonorable
Protestants, not by Jesuits.
Would you mind refusing the psychiatric treatments of Joseph Meehan
and provide proof??

Why do you evade questions? Why do you divert issues? Why do you
claim we are mentally ill and not worth posting to after you create
your name the reverse of mine for some supposed wedding?

If it was written by dishonorable Protestants WHY CAN'T YOU EVEN
CONDEMN THE HATE FOUND WITHIN IT?? You can condemn Foxe's Book of
Martyrs because you know a Protestant wrote it. Why can't you condemn
the Jesuit Oath, and why can't you answer even a quarter of the
questions I give to you??
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
His claims, if true, would make him super human: he became a Jesuit, infiltrated and destroyed many churches, all while being able to study and earn seven doctorates.
Kind a like trying to convince the world you are here to allow people
to disagree, huh?
Post by unknown
Q: How long does it take to become a Jesuit?
A: Once a man finishes the two-year novitiate, he takes vows of poverty, chastity and obedience either as a Jesuit brother or as a scholastic who will prepare for ordination. At this time, the man is considered a Jesuit. On the average, it takes about nine more years of study and work before scholastics are ordained priests and brothers complete their formation.
The Roman Church has made all nations DRUNK! William Suzanne told us
Seeber, who condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death,
doesn't represent but MISrepresents Rome. I couldn't get the masters
of inconsistencies to tell us why Seeber did therefore upset them and
hate Catholics!
In His Grace,
Susan
Please make more sense in your sentences so I may reply properly. Can
you clarify your last sentence?
When this question was first asked to you, it made enough sense to
know to you, as now, that you dare not answer it. You just went into
constant attack mode in hatred to all Adventists.

It was not making questions and points you couldn't understand that
made you create your reverse name of mine and come in to trail all my
posts in obedience to the Jesuit Oath which requires that you make
RELENTLESS war against your enemies!
Post by William Suzanne
In His True Grace, the grace of the Antichrist!
William Suzanne
In His Grace,


Susan

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Joseph Meehan
2003-09-18 14:23:05 UTC
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...
Post by Susan Williams
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer.
Really? You say Satan is a murderer. What is your reason for saying
that? Who has he/she murdered?
--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Susan Williams
2003-09-18 15:31:44 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:23:05 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
Post by Joseph Meehan
...
Post by Susan Williams
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer.
Really? You say Satan is a murderer. What is your reason for saying
that? Who has he/she murdered?
I have asked you to bring your list of psychiatrists who would
correct me for pointing out a man, like yourself, who has condemned
millions of people because they viewed religion differently.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SEND THIS DIALOGUE ALSO TO THEM. MAKE SURE YOU
ADD WITH IT THAT CHRIST ALSO NEEDS VATICAN PSYCHIATRIC HELP.

WHY?

BECAUSE CHRIST SAID THAT YOUR FATHER SATAN IS A MURDERER.


In His Grace,



Susan

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Teresita
2003-09-18 15:05:01 UTC
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Post by Joseph Meehan
Post by Susan Williams
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer.
Really? You say Satan is a murderer. What is your reason for saying
that? Who has he/she murdered?
He murdered Job's children:

Job 1:[12] And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the
presence of the LORD.
...
[18] While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and
thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
[19] And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the
four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead;
and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

--
Encyclopedia Teresita
http://web.newsguy.com/teresita
Susan Williams
2003-09-19 06:25:36 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by Joseph Meehan
Post by Susan Williams
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer.
Really? You say Satan is a murderer. What is your reason for saying
that? Who has he/she murdered?
Job 1:[12] And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the
presence of the LORD.
...
[18] While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and
[19] And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the
four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead;
and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
I was just begging the question, obviously!

In His Grace,



Susan

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Joseph Meehan
2003-09-21 23:06:24 UTC
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You did not complete the quote.

NJB Job 1:1-22

1. There was once a man in the land of Uz called Job: a sound and honest man
who feared God and shunned evil.

2. Seven sons and three daughters were born to him.

3. And he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred
yoke of oxen and five hundred she-donkeys, and many servants besides. This
man was the most prosperous of all the Sons of the East.

4. It was the custom of his sons to hold banquets in one another's houses in
turn, and to invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

5. Once each series of banquets was over, Job would send for them to come
and be purified, and at dawn on the following day he would make a burnt
offering for each of them. "Perhaps", Job would say, "my sons have sinned
and in their heart blasphemed." So that was what Job used to do each time.

6. One day when the sons of God came to attend on Yahweh, among them came
Satan.

7. So Yahweh said to Satan, "Where have you been?" "Prowling about on
earth," he answered, "roaming around there."

8. So Yahweh asked him, "Did you pay any attention to my servant Job? There
is no one like him on the earth: a sound and honest man who fears God and
shuns evil."

9. `Yes," Satan said, "but Job is not God-fearing for nothing, is he?

10. Have you not put a wall round him and his house and all his domain? You
have blessed all he undertakes, and his flocks throng the countryside.

11. But stretch out your hand and lay a finger on his possessions: then, I
warrant you, he will curse you to your face."

12. `Very well," Yahweh said to Satan, "all he has is in your power. But
keep your hands off his person." So Satan left the presence of Yahweh.

13. On the day when Job's sons and daughters were eating and drinking in
their eldest brother's house,

14. a messenger came to Job. "Your oxen", he said, "were at the plough, with
the donkeys grazing at their side,

15. when the Sabaeans swept down on them and carried them off, and put the
servants to the sword: I alone have escaped to tell you."

16. He had not finished speaking when another messenger arrived. "The fire
of God", he said, "has fallen from heaven and burnt the sheep and shepherds
to ashes: I alone have escaped to tell you."

17. He had not finished speaking when another messenger arrived. "The
Chaldaeans," he said, "three bands of them, have raided the camels and made
off with them, and put the servants to the sword: I alone have escaped to
tell you."

18. He had not finished speaking when another messenger arrived. "Your sons
and daughters", he said, "were eating and drinking at their eldest brother's
house,

19. when suddenly from the desert a gale sprang up, and it battered all four
corners of the house which fell in on the young people. They are dead: I
alone have escaped to tell you."

20. Then Job stood up, tore his robe and shaved his head. Then, falling to
the ground, he prostrated himself

21. and said:

Naked I came from my mother's womb,

naked I shall return again.

Yahweh gave, Yahweh has taken back.

Blessed be the name of Yahweh!

22. In all this misfortune Job committed no sin, and he did not reproach
God.
--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Post by Teresita
Post by Joseph Meehan
Post by Susan Williams
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer.
Really? You say Satan is a murderer. What is your reason for saying
that? Who has he/she murdered?
Job 1:[12] And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the
presence of the LORD.
...
[18] While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and
[19] And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the
four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead;
and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
--
Encyclopedia Teresita
http://web.newsguy.com/teresita
Ronald R. Walker, M.D.
2003-09-22 00:08:37 UTC
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Dear Joseph Meehan:

And then there is the infallible testimony of Christ Jesus Himself:
"You are from your father the devil, and you choose to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44 [NRSV])

Doulos Xristou 'Ieesou,

Ron R. Walker, M.D.
William Suzanne
2003-09-19 21:20:06 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Post by Susan Williams
WE THEN PLAINLY ASK YOU IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH--WHICH IT WAS NOT SINCE
IT CAME FROM YOU--WHY WERE YOU NOT UPSET WITH A MAN WHO HAS
MISREPRESENTED ROME!!!
Who said I wasn't? How would you know. Are you once again claiming to
read people's minds?
Post by Susan Williams
Now don't tell me you did not see the question! Your next response to
then ignore the question entirely and start a propagandist campaign of
attack against the Adventist Church <snip>
Sounds exactly like a good description of your self and your own
tactics, but exchange "Adventist Church" with "Catholic Church"
Susan Williams
2003-09-19 22:37:58 UTC
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Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
purpose of exhibiting one of the major Characteristics of Satan:
LYING!!

If someone in my church stands up and misrepresents it by saying that
the Adventist Church murdered millions of Christians and that it was
good that she did, how would I react? If someone brings this to
light, will I then attack him and leave the person who told the lie
alone: Would I post how he didn't kill anybody, so he is no problem
and then cry out that the person who exposed him under Homeland
Security is a demon?

NO WONDER THESE KNOW I'M INSANE!!!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
WE THEN PLAINLY ASK YOU IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH--WHICH IT WAS NOT SINCE
IT CAME FROM YOU--WHY WERE YOU NOT UPSET WITH A MAN WHO HAS
MISREPRESENTED ROME!!!
Who said I wasn't? How would you know. Are you once again claiming to
read people's minds?
Read the above and do not allow yourselves to be fooled by the
eternally damned blood-letting Inquisitors of history!!

When I said the words Seeber said, I was told I hated Catholics, I was
hateful, and MOUNDS of posts in following the Jesuit Oath were hurled
against me. Lamarr Edwards would naturally ask the same question
after telling us how Seeber was no problem since he made that
statement

THAT WERE JUST WORDS,

THAT HE HAD A RIGHT TO MAKE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

AND HE DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY!

I have asked how I violated any of these three decpetive proposals and
the eternal criminals found an OUT by ignoring the questions entirely!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Now don't tell me you did not see the question! Your next response to
then ignore the question entirely and start a propagandist campaign of
attack against the Adventist Church <snip>
Sounds exactly like a good description of your self and your own
tactics, but exchange "Adventist Church" with "Catholic Church"
Seeber condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death: NO
PROBLEM TO YOU BECAUSE YOU AGREE!

The Jesuit Oath was read to you: NONE OF YOU DARED CONDEMN THE MOST
HATEFUL DOCUMENT INI THE WORLD! YOU CLAIMED IT WAS FAKE AND WRITTEN
BY A PROTESTANT. YOU'VE CONDEMNED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY
PROTESTANTS BEFORE WHICH YOU CLAIMED WERE ALSO LYING. WE ASK YOU WHAT
IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS "PROTESTANT" DOCUMENT AND YOU IGNORE OUR
QUESTIONS.

You were shown the actions of the Ustashis: ACTIONS YOU ARE TRAINED
TO COPY!! They were the most hateful murderers of the 20th Century.
THEY CAUSE YOU NO PROBLEM AT ALL. WHEN WE REVEAL WHAT THEY DID, THEN
YOU GO NUTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE ANTICHIRST!!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Yeah, Susan! A gold star and smiley face for your placement of the words
to create one of your new favorite phrases: Homeland Security. Good "girl"
Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again? Last Willaim Suzanne stormed in to
address some emergency. Ted Seeber graciously admitted what we had
been called hateful and hateful of Catholics to expose. He said that
Rome persecuted the Christians because they didn't LIVE THE BIBLE.
They only lived their interpretations of the bible!

What a beginning, middle and end for a cult! A cult that, if not for
its talent also in deceit as in murder, ALL would know that by the
written page it is the worst enemy of HOMELAND SECURITY!

The subject of Ellen White only came up because William Suzanne, after
lying to us telling us that Seeber doesn't speak for Rome, could not
answer for why he therefore wasn't upset with him since he was
MISrepresenting Rome.
Post by William Suzanne
Ellen G. White endorsed a false prophecy by William Miller that Christ
would return, first in 1843 and then 1844.
The Disciples of Christ preached a false prophecy that Christ's
eternal kingdom was at hand in Christ's day and that Christ was ready
to free the Jews from the Romans

The subject of Ellen White only came up because William Suzanne, after
lying to us telling us that Seeber doesn't speak for Rome, could not
answer for why he therefore wasn't upset with him since he was
MISrepresenting Rome.
Post by William Suzanne
Miller repented when Christ
didn't show up on his date but Ellen didn't want to be viewed as a
false prophetess for endorsing him through her visions. The idea was
concocted by one of her followers
IN OTHER WORDS CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!...
Post by William Suzanne
that the date was right, but the
event was wrong. Ellen eagerly accepted this "out"
ACCORDING TO THE VATICAN DESPOTS THAT MUST ALWAYS ALLOW PEOPLE TO
DISAGREE

Now remember William Suzanne's OUT he is using now to sidestep the
question of why a man who has MISrepresented Rome does not upset him,
but only the person who exposed the monster upsets him.

DOES YOUR CHURCH APPROVE OF MASS MURDER ALSO READERS??!
Post by William Suzanne
and this
What explanation did the Disciples use to explain away their errors
that were preached WHILE CHRIST WAS THERE??

For an explanation of this situation, visit the website:
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Perplexities1.html
Post by William Suzanne
Christ didn't come visibly to earth, but He, invisibly, in heaven,
changed compartments from the Holy to the Most Holy in 1844 and began
the work of "investigative judgment" that we have discussed
previously.
This false date and its failure triggered other heresies on the
atonement of Christ which continues to this day.
Coming from a man who is so Anti-parnoid, HE TELLS US CHRIST IS COMING
TO DESTROY THE ANTICHIRST AND THAT ANTICHIRST IS A WOMAN DEAD ALMOST
100 YEARS!

Now there is EVERY opportunity for the man to even acknowledge and
repent of his crime. How is he going to find an OUT? WE HAVE SEEN
HIS SAME LIE ON THE CATHOLIC NEWSGROUPS OF OFFICIAL LITERATURE!
Post by William Suzanne
Honest-hearted SDA's
who have pointed out the error of the 1844 investigative judgment have
been shown the door by their Conference.
These "honest-hearted" SDA's are Jesuits who are just as unscrupulous
as William Suzanne. We have even shown the website and dialogued with
these so-called "honest-hearted" SDA scoundrels and they also cannot
be shown that questions are being asked them. They acquired the same
Jesuits disease as William Suzanne.
Post by William Suzanne
You sure won't be told the
true history behind the 1844 doctrine by SDA's!
WE ALREADY PROVED THE TRUE BLOODY HISTORY OF ROME. Ted Seeber
condemned the Constitution of the United States and ALL LIBERTY as was
told by people William Suzanne and his friends have called hateful of
Catholics.

THE ADVENTIST CHURCH DIDN'T SHED ANY BLOOD. HOW CAN THE POWER THAT
DID TIHS COVER OVER HER HISTORY AND STRUGGLE TO COMMIT HER CRIMES
AGAIN??? She is doing now by adopting the office of "cult-busting!"
Post by William Suzanne
Embarrassing false prophecies by EGW have been, altered, covered up,
and locked up by the SDA's. You won't be told about them, but here are
a couple.
The embarrassing exposure of Ted Seeber who condemned all
non-Catholics to persecution and death have been covered up in every
way possible. This post is one of those ways!

Which church would you rather have around your society or community??
Which "WARTS" would you rather live with in a church??
Post by William Suzanne
One false prophecy done in the name of the Lord marks that one as a
false prophet (See Deut. chapter 18).
Why are the Disciples of Christ false prophets for their preaching
WHILE CHRIST WAS THERE????

Another question someone needs and "OUT" from!
Post by William Suzanne
Ellen G. White said people alive in 1856 would be translated at the
2nd coming of Jesus. (Testimonies, V1, p 131,132).
We've answered this already, so we know we are dealing with the deadly
scoundrel Jesuits. According to William Suzanne (who came to address
an emergency and named his name after mine), Christ is a blithering
idiot and supreme false prophet!

Now listen and see, according to his false principles, THE FOLLOWING
SUPREME FALSE PROPHET:


Jesus said:

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.

These were Jesus' words.

OH HOW HARD IT IS WHEN YOU ARE A SON OF SATAN FROM THE ANTICHRIST!!!
ALL THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE BLOOD-LETTING CULT HAD SOME
CONSCIENCE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE CHANGED INSTEAD OF
HIDING HER TRUE COLORS BEFORE THE WORLD IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THE JESUIT
OATH!!
Post by William Suzanne
She said in Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1, p. 259, that the
United States would be "...humbled into the dust" by England during
the Civil War.
No wonder Jesus told us to "Beware of the false prophets". Time is
their enemy. These false prophecies will never be mentioned by the
SDA's.
<snip>
I don't know what the super-terrorist is talking about here, but still
the fact remains. It shouldn't be hard for you to find on Vatican
websites the false prophecy that in the future the Christian world
will have to contend with Ellen White who is the Antichrist.

Add to that Seeber and Teresita plainly confirming that Rome murdered
millions of Christians AND THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND TO BE
DONE TODAY, wiith all kinds of other "honest-hearted" Christians and
SDAs getting upset AT ME FOR EXPOSING HIM...

All this would request from you a decision of which CULT you would
rather have in your neighborhood!


In his Grace,



SusanIn His Grace,


Susan

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William Suzanne
2003-09-20 02:10:19 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
LYING!!
So prove that I'm lying by answering the question: How did I "defend"
him?
Post by Susan Williams
If someone in my church stands up and misrepresents it by saying that
the Adventist Church murdered millions of Christians and that it was
good that she did, how would I react?
How am I supposed to know? I don't claim to read minds like your do.
Everybody's different. If you had 100 people listening to the example
you gave, you would potentially have 100 different reactions. (or do
you expect indiviudals to be mindless Satan controlled robots and be
the same)?

In His True Grace,
William Suzanne
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 03:37:14 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
LYING!!
So prove that I'm lying by answering the question: How did I "defend"
him?
Prove that I'm "wormwood" and evil, hateful, and the devil's servant
for exposing a man who condemned all non-Catholic life in your
presnece without a problem with you. Prove that you therefore don't
agree with the man.
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
If someone in my church stands up and misrepresents it by saying that
the Adventist Church murdered millions of Christians and that it was
good that she did, how would I react?
How am I supposed to know? I don't claim to read minds like your do.
You mean to tell me that you natural born killers don't claim to read
minds? You told the world alot about me I didn't know about myself
already!
Post by William Suzanne
Everybody's different. If you had 100 people listening to the example
you gave, you would potentially have 100 different reactions. (or do
you expect indiviudals to be mindless Satan controlled robots and be
the same)?
If you knew that, you would not have spoken for everyone along with
your fellow super-damned Vatican murderers like Lamarr, Meehan, Seeber
and the rest.

If reactions can be different you would have known that before you
started your hatred upon me for exposing the fact that your cult is
still bloodthirsty and super-terroristic. Seeber and Teresita
condemning all non-Catholic life is no problem with you.

I don't get crutched by the rules you push on me that you don't
follow. You have made too many judgments without thinking about
others who can disagree!
Post by William Suzanne
In His True Grace from the super-terrristic Antichrist,
William Suzanne
In His Grace,


Susan

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2003-09-20 17:44:12 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
LYING!!
So prove that I'm lying by answering the question: How did I "defend"
him?
<snip>

Prove that I'm lying by answering the question: How did I "defend" him (Ted Seeber)?

You can't.
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 19:53:03 UTC
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
LYING!!
So prove that I'm lying by answering the question: How did I "defend"
him?
<snip>
Prove that I'm lying by answering the question: How did I "defend" him (Ted Seeber)?
You can't.
Dear Servant of the Antichrist:

WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN YOUR VERY RELIGION
UNDER THE JESUIT OATH FREES YOU FROM DOING THAT UNDER "THE END
JUSTIFIES THE MEANS?"

Have I been asking you major questions for a while now? Answering
questions now seem to be a virtue to you? Well now start by answering
the one I have been askng for a wihle now. Through you, we were
diverted over to attacking the Adventist Church for certain "CRIMES"
you are paranoid about, but will not compare to the bloodiest cult in
the world. How did we get diverted over to the Adventist Church? It
was because Ted Seeber condemned all non-Catholic life, all liberty
and the American Constitution. This was happening for a while now all
under the deadly nose of my enemy here.

After I exposed what Seeber did (or rather after Brother Ted McMillan
did and I followed), this poster became irate, formulated his name in
the reverse of mine and pulled his hair out to tell us that Seeber
does not represent Rome. I then asked the demon why then if Seeber
misrepresents Rome, he was not upset with Seeber? He didn't tell us
that Seeber was hateful not that he hated Catholics. Then this
unscrupulous Jesuit found out that it is a curse to answer questions,
so he began to make a vicious attack on Ellen White and the Adventist
Church and skirted all my requests to answer the question.

Are the Jesuits really unscrupulous folks? Are they really satanic
and deadly as the Protestant documentation of history attests? Look
above as the man is asking me to acquire virtue by answering his
questions. He then tells me if I don't answer, THAT IS PROOF I AM
WRONG!! This Jesuit gives us another lying principle he does not
abide by and yet neither his eye nor conscience blinks ONCE!
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Yeah, Susan! A gold star and smiley face for your placement of the words
to create one of your new favorite phrases: Homeland Security. Good "girl"
Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again? Last Willaim Suzanne stormed in to
address some emergency. Ted Seeber graciously admitted what we had
been called hateful and hateful of Catholics to expose. He said that
Rome persecuted the Christians because they didn't LIVE THE BIBLE.
They only lived their interpretations of the bible!

What a beginning, middle and end for a cult! A cult that, if not for
its talent also in deceit as in murder, ALL would know that by the
written page it is the worst enemy of HOMELAND SECURITY!

The subject of Ellen White only came up because William Suzanne, after
lying to us telling us that Seeber doesn't speak for Rome, could not
answer for why he therefore wasn't upset with him since he was
MISrepresenting Rome.
Post by Susan Williams
Ellen G. White endorsed a false prophecy by William Miller that Christ
would return, first in 1843 and then 1844.
The Disciples of Christ preached a false prophecy that Christ's
eternal kingdom was at hand in Christ's day and that Christ was ready
to free the Jews from the Romans

The subject of Ellen White only came up because William Suzanne, after
lying to us telling us that Seeber doesn't speak for Rome, could not
answer for why he therefore wasn't upset with him since he was
MISrepresenting Rome.
Post by Susan Williams
Miller repented when Christ
didn't show up on his date but Ellen didn't want to be viewed as a
false prophetess for endorsing him through her visions. The idea was
concocted by one of her followers
IN OTHER WORDS CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!...
Post by Susan Williams
that the date was right, but the
event was wrong. Ellen eagerly accepted this "out"
ACCORDING TO THE VATICAN DESPOTS THAT MUST ALWAYS ALLOW PEOPLE TO
DISAGREE

Now remember William Suzanne's OUT he is using now to sidestep the
question of why a man who has MISrepresented Rome does not upset him,
but only the person who exposed the monster upsets him.

DOES YOUR CHURCH APPROVE OF MASS MURDER ALSO READERS??!
Post by Susan Williams
and this
What explanation did the Disciples use to explain away their errors
that were preached WHILE CHRIST WAS THERE??

For an explanation of this situation, visit the website:
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Perplexities1.html
Post by Susan Williams
Christ didn't come visibly to earth, but He, invisibly, in heaven,
changed compartments from the Holy to the Most Holy in 1844 and began
the work of "investigative judgment" that we have discussed
previously.
This false date and its failure triggered other heresies on the
atonement of Christ which continues to this day.
Coming from a man who is so Anti-parnoid, HE TELLS US CHRIST IS COMING
TO DESTROY THE ANTICHIRST AND THAT ANTICHIRST IS A WOMAN DEAD ALMOST
100 YEARS!

Now there is EVERY opportunity for the man to even acknowledge and
repent of his crime. How is he going to find an OUT? WE HAVE SEEN
HIS SAME LIE ON THE CATHOLIC NEWSGROUPS OF OFFICIAL LITERATURE!
Post by Susan Williams
Honest-hearted SDA's
who have pointed out the error of the 1844 investigative judgment have
been shown the door by their Conference.
These "honest-hearted" SDA's are Jesuits who are just as unscrupulous
as William Suzanne. We have even shown the website and dialogued with
these so-called "honest-hearted" SDA scoundrels and they also cannot
be shown that questions are being asked them. They acquired the same
Jesuits disease as William Suzanne.
Post by Susan Williams
You sure won't be told the
true history behind the 1844 doctrine by SDA's!
WE ALREADY PROVED THE TRUE BLOODY HISTORY OF ROME. Ted Seeber
condemned the Constitution of the United States and ALL LIBERTY as was
told by people William Suzanne and his friends have called hateful of
Catholics.

THE ADVENTIST CHURCH DIDN'T SHED ANY BLOOD. HOW CAN THE POWER THAT
DID TIHS COVER OVER HER HISTORY AND STRUGGLE TO COMMIT HER CRIMES
AGAIN??? She is doing now by adopting the office of "cult-busting!"
Post by Susan Williams
Embarrassing false prophecies by EGW have been, altered, covered up,
and locked up by the SDA's. You won't be told about them, but here are
a couple.
The embarrassing exposure of Ted Seeber who condemned all
non-Catholics to persecution and death have been covered up in every
way possible. This post is one of those ways!

Which church would you rather have around your society or community??
Which "WARTS" would you rather live with in a church??
Post by Susan Williams
One false prophecy done in the name of the Lord marks that one as a
false prophet (See Deut. chapter 18).
Why are the Disciples of Christ false prophets for their preaching
WHILE CHRIST WAS THERE????

Another question someone needs and "OUT" from!
Post by Susan Williams
Ellen G. White said people alive in 1856 would be translated at the
2nd coming of Jesus. (Testimonies, V1, p 131,132).
We've answered this already, so we know we are dealing with the deadly
scoundrel Jesuits. According to William Suzanne (who came to address
an emergency and named his name after mine), Christ is a blithering
idiot and supreme false prophet!

Now listen and see, according to his false principles, THE FOLLOWING
SUPREME FALSE PROPHET:


Jesus said:

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.

These were Jesus' words.

OH HOW HARD IT IS WHEN YOU ARE A SON OF SATAN FROM THE ANTICHRIST!!!
ALL THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE BLOOD-LETTING CULT HAD SOME
CONSCIENCE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE CHANGED INSTEAD OF
HIDING HER TRUE COLORS BEFORE THE WORLD IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THE JESUIT
OATH!!
Post by Susan Williams
She said in Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1, p. 259, that the
United States would be "...humbled into the dust" by England during
the Civil War.
No wonder Jesus told us to "Beware of the false prophets". Time is
their enemy. These false prophecies will never be mentioned by the
SDA's.
<snip>
I don't know what the super-terrorist is talking about here, but still
the fact remains. It shouldn't be hard for you to find on Vatican
websites the false prophecy that in the future the Christian world
will have to contend with Ellen White who is the Antichrist.

Add to that Seeber and Teresita plainly confirming that Rome murdered
millions of Christians AND THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND TO BE
DONE TODAY, wiith all kinds of other "honest-hearted" Christians and
SDAs getting upset AT ME FOR EXPOSING HIM...

All this would request from you a decision of which CULT you would
rather have in your neighborhood!


In his Grace,



Susan

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2003-09-20 02:21:44 UTC
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Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Post by unknown
:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
LYING!!
If someone in my church stands up and misrepresents it by saying that
the Adventist Church murdered millions of Christians and that it was
good that she did, how would I react? If someone brings this to
light, will I then attack him and leave the person who told the lie
alone: Would I post how he didn't kill anybody, so he is no problem
and then cry out that the person who exposed him under Homeland
Security is a demon?
NO WONDER THESE KNOW I'M INSANE!!!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
WE THEN PLAINLY ASK YOU IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH--WHICH IT WAS NOT SINCE
IT CAME FROM YOU--WHY WERE YOU NOT UPSET WITH A MAN WHO HAS
MISREPRESENTED ROME!!!
Who said I wasn't? How would you know. Are you once again claiming to
read people's minds?
Read the above and do not allow yourselves to be fooled by the
eternally damned blood-letting Inquisitors of history!!
When I said the words Seeber said, I was told I hated Catholics, I was
hateful, and MOUNDS of posts in following the Jesuit Oath were hurled
against me. Lamarr Edwards would naturally ask the same question
after telling us how Seeber was no problem since he made that
statement
THAT WERE JUST WORDS,
THAT HE HAD A RIGHT TO MAKE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION
AND HE DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY!
I have asked how I violated any of these three decpetive proposals and
the eternal criminals found an OUT by ignoring the questions entirely!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Now don't tell me you did not see the question! Your next response to
then ignore the question entirely and start a propagandist campaign of
attack against the Adventist Church <snip>
Sounds exactly like a good description of your self and your own
tactics, but exchange "Adventist Church" with "Catholic Church"
Seeber condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death: NO
PROBLEM TO YOU BECAUSE YOU AGREE!
The Jesuit Oath was read to you: NONE OF YOU DARED CONDEMN THE MOST
HATEFUL DOCUMENT INI THE WORLD! YOU CLAIMED IT WAS FAKE AND WRITTEN
BY A PROTESTANT. YOU'VE CONDEMNED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY
PROTESTANTS BEFORE WHICH YOU CLAIMED WERE ALSO LYING. WE ASK YOU WHAT
IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS "PROTESTANT" DOCUMENT AND YOU IGNORE OUR
QUESTIONS.
You were shown the actions of the Ustashis: ACTIONS YOU ARE TRAINED
TO COPY!! They were the most hateful murderers of the 20th Century.
THEY CAUSE YOU NO PROBLEM AT ALL. WHEN WE REVEAL WHAT THEY DID, THEN
YOU GO NUTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE ANTICHIRST!!
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Post by William Suzanne
Yeah, Susan! A gold star and smiley face for your placement of the words
to create one of your new favorite phrases: Homeland Security. Good "girl"
Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again?
You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen. Read your own
statments above.

You wrote, "Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist,
while working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their
doctrine. You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this
is true, but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie."

I followed suit.


In His True Grace,
William Suzanne
Susan Williams
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:The following letter can be found on the Jack Chick website at the
:http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp
:In defense of former Jesuit
:Alberto Rivera
:When Chick Publications first published the personal testimony of
:former Jesuit Alberto Rivera, Rome called upon her ecumenical contacts
:to go on the attack. Rome's friends attacked the way they always have,
:by attacking the messenger. Not wanting to publicly discuss the
:serious charges Alberto lays against his former church, they tried to
:discredit him personally, hoping people would then not read his
:message.
:The most famous of these personal attacks was an open letter published
:in Christianity Today, which has been copied and distributed around
:the world many times since the 1980s. Upon reading this attack, a
:Christian named James Houston, who had read enough of history to know
:the truth of Alberto's charges, came forward.
The satanic ramblings of anitchrist's minions never cease, especially in defense of their bretheren!
It is in fact true that you have not ceased to defend a man who has
condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death. I'm surprised
to see you say something true for once!
Tsk, tsk; what a selective memory you have, Devil! I never "defended"
any such man.
Satan's two characteristics is that he is a profound liar and a
murderer. We exposed Ted Seeber, you came out all steamy lying to us
that Seeber doesn't represent Rome, but misrepresents it.
That is what I said, although not a lie. But How did I "defend" him?
Again the Satanic Inquisitors who always tell us what we are, how we
think and how we MUST think now asks a stupid question solely for the
LYING!!
If someone in my church stands up and misrepresents it by saying that
the Adventist Church murdered millions of Christians and that it was
good that she did, how would I react? If someone brings this to
light, will I then attack him and leave the person who told the lie
alone: Would I post how he didn't kill anybody, so he is no problem
and then cry out that the person who exposed him under Homeland
Security is a demon?
NO WONDER THESE KNOW I'M INSANE!!!
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Post by Susan Williams
WE THEN PLAINLY ASK YOU IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH--WHICH IT WAS NOT SINCE
IT CAME FROM YOU--WHY WERE YOU NOT UPSET WITH A MAN WHO HAS
MISREPRESENTED ROME!!!
Who said I wasn't? How would you know. Are you once again claiming to
read people's minds?
Read the above and do not allow yourselves to be fooled by the
eternally damned blood-letting Inquisitors of history!!
When I said the words Seeber said, I was told I hated Catholics, I was
hateful, and MOUNDS of posts in following the Jesuit Oath were hurled
against me. Lamarr Edwards would naturally ask the same question
after telling us how Seeber was no problem since he made that
statement
THAT WERE JUST WORDS,
THAT HE HAD A RIGHT TO MAKE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION
AND HE DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY!
I have asked how I violated any of these three decpetive proposals and
the eternal criminals found an OUT by ignoring the questions entirely!
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Now don't tell me you did not see the question! Your next response to
then ignore the question entirely and start a propagandist campaign of
attack against the Adventist Church <snip>
Sounds exactly like a good description of your self and your own
tactics, but exchange "Adventist Church" with "Catholic Church"
Seeber condemned all non-Catholics to persecution and death: NO
PROBLEM TO YOU BECAUSE YOU AGREE!
The Jesuit Oath was read to you: NONE OF YOU DARED CONDEMN THE MOST
HATEFUL DOCUMENT INI THE WORLD! YOU CLAIMED IT WAS FAKE AND WRITTEN
BY A PROTESTANT. YOU'VE CONDEMNED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY
PROTESTANTS BEFORE WHICH YOU CLAIMED WERE ALSO LYING. WE ASK YOU WHAT
IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS "PROTESTANT" DOCUMENT AND YOU IGNORE OUR
QUESTIONS.
You were shown the actions of the Ustashis: ACTIONS YOU ARE TRAINED
TO COPY!! They were the most hateful murderers of the 20th Century.
THEY CAUSE YOU NO PROBLEM AT ALL. WHEN WE REVEAL WHAT THEY DID, THEN
YOU GO NUTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE ANTICHIRST!!
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Post by Susan Williams
Post by William Suzanne
Yeah, Susan! A gold star and smiley face for your placement of the words
to create one of your new favorite phrases: Homeland Security. Good "girl"
Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again?
You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen. Read your own
statments above.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Post by William Suzanne
You wrote, "Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist,
while working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their
doctrine. You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this
is true, but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie."
I exposed a man who condemned all liberty and the United States
Constitution. The man then condemned all non-Catholics to persecution
and death.

The man had been doing this for a long time, but that fact didn't
bother the super-terrorist I'm replying to here. After Seeber was
exposed for this, THEN a man got enraged, selected a posting name in
the reverse of mine (William Suzanne) and then started to post
attacks. He then lied to us claiming that Seeber doesn't speak for or
represent Rome. He was then asked why then was he not upset with
Seeber for MISrepresenting Rome. The Jesuit then began a barrage of
attack against the Adventist Church with the intent to leave the
question unanswered as always. That is how the subject of Ellen White
came about. I did not bring that subject in. Someone Jesuit was
obeying the Jesuit Oath and looking for an out. It is that Oath that
demands RELENTLESS warfare against the enemies of the Jesuits. Hence
they never can afford to ignore my posts.
Post by William Suzanne
I followed suit.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Post by William Suzanne
In His True Grace from the Antichrist,
William Suzanne
In His Grace,


Susan

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William Suzanne
2003-09-20 13:07:34 UTC
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Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again?
You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen. Read your own
statments above.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Your statement has nothing to do with what's above it.

You said (see above): "How did this subject begin again?"

I posted: "You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen."

This was in response to when you wrote: "Not only that, you told us
Ellen White is the Antichrist, while working to show the Adventist
Church made errors in their doctrine. You haven't been too sane to
wish to try and prove how this is true, but your killer cult keeps
pushing this lie."

I did what you challenged. Why can't you accept that?
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 13:40:02 UTC
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Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again?
You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen. Read your own
statments above.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Your statement has nothing to do with what's above it.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Many can
believe that the statement was addressed above! Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
Post by William Suzanne
You said (see above): "How did this subject begin again?"
I posted: "You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen."
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Many can
believe that the statement was addressed above! Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?


In His Grace,


Susan

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Alan M
2003-09-20 14:46:32 UTC
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Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their doctrine.
You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is true,
but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ's
return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again?
You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen. Read your own
statments above.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
There could not be a hundred people who'd assess you as sane Susie. It is
time to throw out your thoughts.
Susan Williams
2003-09-20 19:32:53 UTC
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Not only that, you told us Ellen White is the Antichrist, while
working to show the Adventist Church made errors in their
doctrine.
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You haven't been too sane to wish to try and prove how this is
true,
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but your killer cult keeps pushing this lie.
Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for
Christ's
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return. What a dubious beginning!
How did this subject begin again?
You wanted it to ...and challenged it to happen. Read your own
statments above.
But there could be a hundred people who would assess the situation
differently like you said before in order to deceive us. Is it time
to throw out what others think again now?
There could not be a hundred people who'd assess you as sane Susie. It is
time to throw out your thoughts.
All right! A little cut and paste shouold be convenient!!


Some of you may well not be convinced that Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics on the newsgroups. Actually, to this day, even those on
the newsgroups who formerly denied it had to confess that Seeber did
just that, and they went into every manner of defense for Seeber. As
we expose the dialogues, we will more prove this. However, since we
started this work, another person came out more boldly and gave
approval of the deaths of millions of Christians. She posts under the
name of Teresita. When I made mention of that great Christian work
Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, detailing centuries of uncountable murders of
bible-believing Christians, she referred to the work as:

"Foxe's Book of Hereticks." She therefore approved of their deaths
because they viewed religion differently:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b0165u09im%40drn.newsguy.com
1/14/2003

Naturally, we got on her case for her boldness here as we still have
the liberty to do in this free country.

Teresita in response lied to us, telling us that when she called
Foxe's Book of Martyrs "Foxe's Book of Heretics," she was only
referring to the Albigenses of the Protestant Reformation 5/29/2003
who were a minority group of Christians during that time:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb521t01pej%40drn.newsguy.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dg:thl3424526807d%26dq%3D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dbb521t01pej%2540drn.newsguy.com>

How do we know she was lying? The Albigenses were hardly mentioned in
that massive work. Protestants usually have little to say about the
Albigenses BECAUSE BOTH THEMSELVES AND ALL THEIR WORKS WERE COMPLETELY
ANNIHILATED BY ROME! But more proof that she was lying comes in her
next response as she worked to divert from my advancing questions:

Teresita belied her claim that she was only refering to the Albigenses
when she condemned the Christian martyrs as “hereticks” by condemning
Tyndale, who was not one of the Albigenses:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bcfbru0230p%40drn.newsguy.com>

LASTLY AND MOST STRONGLY:

When pressed further and further to reveal her beliefs she is trained
to hide on the matter of the value of human life, Teresita says the
Vatican merely carried out God's commands when they killed millions of
Christians because the Israelites did the same with their enemies:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl270768597d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb5kmo0vt2%40drn.newsguy.com>

Here is that dialogue below:

From: Teresita (***@newsguy.com)
Subject: Re: Teresita responds inappropriatly

Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
Date: 2003-05-29 12:05:31 PST
Post by Susan Williams
Like Ted Seeber, you gave approval to their deaths and then come on the forums telling me I hate people just because they disagree.
We are still under Homeland Security right through to the destruction of this nation. We are asked to report all terrorist activity found
in people who have a profound disrespect of human life!
Teresita replies:
We merely carried out God's commandment in His Eternal Word:

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your
towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what
is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his
covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or
the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have
forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall
inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an
abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth
to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you
shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."


ARE YOU LISTENING HOMELAND SECURITY??? She claims the scriptures
mandated their actions IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!! Is it the New Testament
now? Do those scriptures still exist now and have weight now IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT??

Here now are Ted Seeber's crimes:



http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=5s3n0vg73j3ij1ft2osp6jnmugum9himi7%404ax.com

The Jesuit Oath these posters on the newsgroups obey:

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/JesOath.htm

Here is a copy below of Brother Ted's Post proving that Ted Seeber did
condemn all non-Catholics to persecution and death despite these
Vatican infiltrators telling us it isn't so, and some saying they were
not here in the first place while Seeber was posting to know.

But first we must state the fact that Ted Seeber had been constantly
attacking liberty and the American Constitution for years in front of
the super-terroristic noses of all the people swarming around and
posting against me in order to desperately detract and take away the
truth from what I am revealing. For years they did nothing BECAUSE
THEY AGREE WITH TED SEEBER! Now since Seeber made a major blunder by
revealing his complete disrespect for human life, and Brother Ted was
witty enough to expose it, terrorists from everywhere enter to swarm,
accuse and attack him claiming that they have to address some
injustice Brother Ted has done!

Ted Seeber not only argued against liberty and the American
Constitution for a long time, but he also boldly supported
PERSECUTION, claiming that it was biblical before his major mess-up
the fellow super-terrorist demons are doing everything to convince us
didn't happen.

Ted Seeber was falsely claiming that his Vatican operates just like
the Apostles did. So Brother Ted McMillan contradicted that with
questions. First with the mention of the name-call they ususally make
against him (wearing a tinfoil hat), Brother Ted, in asking about the
practices of the Apostles said:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Ananias&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=21&as_minm=9&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=21&as_maxm=9&as_maxy=2000&selm=Pine.LNX.4.21.0009210929340.25976-100000%40shell1.aracnet.com&rnum=1
Post by Susan Williams
Become a tinfoil hat head for your sake! What was the
name of the secret orders that infiltrated government and sought for
power and wealth? [Brother Ted means of the Apostles: what secret orders did the Apostles have and use to infiltrate governments and gather power and wealth. Ted Seeber replies:]
The Apostles.

[Brother Ted now asks:]
Post by Susan Williams
You all have names for your orders here, what names
did they [The Apostles] come up with? [For their secret orders Seeber claims they had. Seeber replies:]
The Way.

[Now listen closely to what Brother Ted asks the super-criminal:]
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If
they didn't agree, Christ's Disciples massacred them?
[WATCH WHAT SEEBER REPLIES:]
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Begining of Acts Chapter 5, yes.
[Brother McMillan, being insensed, cries:]
Post by Susan Williams
Proof! Proof!
[WATCH WHAT THE SUB-MONSTER REPLIES:]

No tinfoil hat involved, but more to the point:
Acts 5: Acts.5 [1] But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his
wife, sold a possession, [2] And kept back part of the price, his wife
also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the
apostles' feet. [3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled
thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the
price of the land? [4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and
after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou
conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but
unto God. [5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up
the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
[6] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and
buried him. [7] And it was about the space of three hours after, when
his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. [8] And Peter answered
unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said,
Yea, for so much. [9] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have
agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of
them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry
thee out. [10] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded
up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and,
carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. [11] And great fear
came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. [12]
And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought
among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's
porch. [13] And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the
people magnified them. [14] And believers were the more added to the
Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

[This proves that Ted Seeber condones persecution! This occurred
earlier than the following documented evidence showing that Ted Seeber
has condemned all non-Catholic blood to persecution and death! Here
is that evidence:

Despite the great and furious defense of Super-terrorist Ted Seeber by
Antichrist Nicholas II, Cindy, Vatican scoundrel witch Caillean, Paul
Stooley, Lamarr and the other workers of the Antichrist, Ted Seeber
literally DID condemn all non-Catholics to persecution and death
boldly on the newsgroups within the climate of September 11. It took
place around December 5, 2001 if my memory serves me:

A man by the name of Ted Seeber, has condemned all non-Catholics to
persecution and death on Decembr 5, 2001 on the newsgroups after he
argued against every vestige of the Constitution, liberty and privacy.
Since that time, strange people even claiming to be non-Catholics have
been attacking me because I exposed what the man has done. They have
portrayed me as mean, "incomprehensible," "evil," and even "not human"
for doing so. We have found that these people are infiltrants from
the Vatican to other non-Catholic religions. Here now again is the
actual conversation and where you can find it posted on the
newsgroups. Here is the evidence every worker for the Antichrist, be
they sabbathkeepers or even witches, have ignored in favor over their
paranoia that uncivil posts are being submitted to the newsgroups.
Being workers for the Antichrist, their solution to this problem was
to submit more uncivil postings:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.religion.christian.adventist&scoring=r&as_drrb=b&as_mind=5&as_minm=10&as_miny=2001&as_maxd=7&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2001&selm=55de15cf.0110071743.205a5dea%40posting.google.com

I reprove despot Seeber for gloating over the dead bodies of the
Post by Susan Williams
But you did understand how to hang people in chains. And your
founding Fathers also can't tell the difference between shedding the
blood of millions of bible-believers in the most unbelievable ways for
their descendants to now presume upon the world to teach them what is
the definition of love, hate and plagiarism.
Can you really be said to be believing in the Bible if you don't live it?
NONE of the groups persecuted by the Catholics were living the Bible. They were living their personal interpretations of God, not the Bible.
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FREEZE!

In this simple statement, Ted Seeber acknowledges not only that
Catholics have persecuted and killed Protestants, but he states why.
He speaks clearly with approval as if he is expressing an eternal
principle. He is talking as if he is proud of what he is saying. And
why were the 5 to 6 thousand people killed in the WTC terrorist
disaster of September 11 again? You can see that Osama can speak
similar words!

I, being infuriated, respond:

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Ted McMillan:
NO WONDER YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ME BRINGING BACK YOUR RECORD OF
HORRIBLE ATROCITIES! They were not even living the bible! Why even
worry about them! Were the 5 to 6 thousands who were killed by the
terrorist attacks living by the bible? You don't have any consistent
principles, if you even know the meaning of the word! Your principles
change only for you to even look like you are winning an argument.

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Ted Seeber was clearly telling the world that people deserve to die or
should even be persecuted and killed if they don't live the bible
according to his standards. My reply to him continues:

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Your statement is incredibly insensitive and you constantly reveal
that what is written by your uncomparably bloody religion is true.
All I know is that you people murdered millions in the most horrible
ways. I DON'T CARE IF YOU MURDERED ATHEISTS!! I am not that
inhumanly insensitive for an animal like you to be worried about me
having guns!

Again, despot: WHY IS THE POPE APOLOGIZING!! You have just sent us
your bigoted despot opinions without providing any MAYBEES! Why not
try to prove what you are saying against me using the scriptures then?
How often have you even answered my questions?

Thousands of people lost their lives in the World Trade Center
disaster. How many of them lived by the bible? They were not even in
rural settings nor under persecution. All those in the WTC were
products of the modern revolution. I would even say that most of them
believe that homosexual activity is acceptable behavior. They all
lived in the modern age and are products of it. I can bet you that
homosexuality was not a problem for those who were slain by Rome!

I don't care whether or not they lived by the bible according to a
murderous despot!

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What I was saying here was that the Protestants viewed homosexual
behavior as intolerable and abominable. Likely most of the victims of
911 did not view matters that way. Since they likely did not live the
bible according to Seeber's standards, what should be their fate?

So here we see the issues and prove that Rome has not changed. These
statements of Seeber did not just come like a bolt of lightning. This
was the last leg of a series of emotional ramblings between us both as
I was defending human liberty, privacy and the American Constitution
while Seeber was condemning all of these and demanding change under
the false pretext that the terror attacks require a police state for
security. Seeber told us boldly that he works against the
Constitution to change it to be interpreted opposite from what it
currently is under "acceptable confines" from the INSIDE! This is
just what people like Jack Chick WERE SAYING FOLKS!!

Interestingly, although he was even telling us that privacy was
NOWHERE to be found in the American Constitution, go to his website
and you will find something strange. Would you like to have an email
account given to you by Ted Seeber? Well go to his website and you
can get one. What's more is, according to him, IT'S FREE! Want to
get a free email account from a man arguing against basic human
privacy? You go right ahead!

For a long time he was spitting upon the principles of human liberty
as had ALL those brutal regimes that easily took the lives of people
and committed atrocities. He even told me that the current American
system respecting privacy was "increibly stupid" and "outdated." He
told me the current principles were as old as Martin Luther during the
Reformation. When I asked him the date his contrary principles were
created, he behaved just like Antichrist MSiciliana, Cindy, Nicholas
and so many others.

After I demonstrated his terrible responsibility for saying words like
that on the newsgroups directly in the climate of September 11th
fulfilling the stated definition of a terrorist, Ted Seeber ducked out
from dialoguing with me even though he had been trailing my postings
and wrangling with me tit-for-tat.

I then kept raving and raving about what Ted Seeber had said. NONE OF
THE OTHER WORKERS FOR THE ANTICHRIST DARED TO TAKE NOTICE OVER WHAT
TED SEEBER HAD SAID OR DONE. They came to attack me telling me that I
insulted the man, and I therefore was an "incomprehensible" and "evil"
man sending in uncivil postings. Antichrist Lamarr told us that I was
not human as I dared to respect the lives of millions of men, women
and little children who were not just ordinary people, but were the
very saints of God! All of them attacked me taking turns and telling
the world I am the only problem on the newsgroups. Through this we
discover that Rome has not changed. It shows they are not to use the
claim that Ted Seeber was not representing Rome here. His words did
not offend them.

That is why you notice all claims that Seeber did not do what I said
he did, are just a squeak and from among the most unscrupulous of them
all, Antichrist MSiciliana. I have told Antichrist MSiciliana to LET
THE MAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF many times over. The advice sounds logical,
does it NOT? From day one, TED SEEBER COULD NOT DENY WHAT I HAD SAID
ABOUT WHAT HE HAD DONE. FROM DAY ONE HE HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT MY
CLAIMS AGAINST WHAT HE HAD DONE. He had been posting on the
newsgroups for almost three months afterward and then ducked out at
the end of January.
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Just like Antichrist MSiciliana was the only one trying to show the
world I taught that Ellen White was the Antichrist, so she is the only
one now trying to babble to us that Ted Seeber did not boldly condemn
the lives of all non-Catholics on the basis of Vatican principle!

Although Antichrist MSiciliana claims that Ted Seeber did not condemn
all non-Catholics, with all my ravings about what was done, she is the
only one unscrupulous enough to claim Seeber did not do it. All the
rest of them acknowledge that he did. The Pope should give Antichrist
MSiciliana an award or elect her the next pope!

In His Grace,


Susan

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Teresita
2003-09-18 17:09:08 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, William Suzanne
says...
Post by William Suzanne
Post by Susan Williams
Since William Suzanne broadcast to us that Ellen White, now dead for
almost a hundred years, is the Antichrist the whole world will follow.
I thought scripture told us the Antichrist IS A MAN!
How can you care about gender my dear transvestite Ted (Susan)? Your
own gender confusion is proof positive that your antichrist's gender
is unimportant.
Deut.22:[5] The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither
shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto
the LORD thy God.

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