OT: Music on R4

[BrritSki]

Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.

Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.

But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

PS I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV :)

[Penny]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:07:15 +0000, BrritSki <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

I heard (rather than listened to) some of that. I spent much of the time
sending a complaint to Digiguide because their listings had told me it was
'From our Home Correspondent'.

Post by BrritSki
PS I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV :)

I really should listen again to that. I spent much of my time when it was
on trying to figure out who was playing who (and I can usually spot an
Archers voice easily - Lexi turned up in a recent week-long drama). That
Ian Pepperell has a far greater range than I would ever have imagined.

[BrritSki]

Post by Penny

Post by BrritSki
PS I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV :)

I really should listen again to that. I spent much of my time when it was
on trying to figure out who was playing who...

YANAOU

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a

(After earlier posts re Vladimir/Voldemort, I imagined that as somewhere
in Central Europe!)

Post by Penny

Post by BrritSki
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I

(I admire her looks, and [presumed] refusal to look otherwise.)

Post by Penny

Post by BrritSki
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

I didn't hear the prog., but I'm sure I'd have agreed with you. Sung -
especially choral - text _is_ hard to hear.

Post by Penny
I heard (rather than listened to) some of that. I spent much of the time
sending a complaint to Digiguide because their listings had told me it was
'From our Home Correspondent'.

Home or own?

Post by Penny

Post by BrritSki
PS I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV :)

(-: [Another one I didn't hear!]

Post by Penny
I really should listen again to that. I spent much of my time when it was
on trying to figure out who was playing who (and I can usually spot an
Archers voice easily - Lexi turned up in a recent week-long drama). That
Ian Pepperell has a far greater range than I would ever have imagined.

I definitely identified "Jill" (June) in Casualty, years ago. (Might
have helped that I wasn't looking at the screen.)

[Penny]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 13:25:04 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Penny
I heard (rather than listened to) some of that. I spent much of the time
sending a complaint to Digiguide because their listings had told me it was
'From our Home Correspondent'.

Home or own?

Home.
It was last on in that slot on 23 December and will appear there again next
week so I maybe it's a monthly thing.

The response from Digiguide was that it was what the BBC had told them and
they'd contacted BBC about it.

Thinking about it, I have complained twice in recent times about the wrong
details for a film - once because it said it was the original version but
what was shown was a remake and a few weeks back because it said it was a
recent remake and was in fact the original - both those were shown on BBC.

Of course the problem with complaining once the prog has started is that
whatever they say will be no help at all because you've either already
wasted your time or missed it. But Digiguide is one of the very few
computer-related services I pay for and I do expect them to get this stuff
right, or what am I paying for?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by Penny
The response from Digiguide was that it was what the BBC had told them and
they'd contacted BBC about it.
Thinking about it, I have complained twice in recent times about the wrong
details for a film - once because it said it was the original version but
what was shown was a remake and a few weeks back because it said it was a
recent remake and was in fact the original - both those were shown on BBC.
Of course the problem with complaining once the prog has started is that
whatever they say will be no help at all because you've either already
wasted your time or missed it. But Digiguide is one of the very few
computer-related services I pay for and I do expect them to get this stuff
right, or what am I paying for?

Yes, if you actually pay for it, you should demand a proportional
refund. If enough of their customers do so (even if they weasel out of
giving it), they should start making a fuss with the BBC.


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[carolet]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I definitely identified "Jill" (June) in Casualty, years ago. (Might
have helped that I wasn't looking at the screen.)

Is that a character, called Jill, in Casualty, that was played by June
Spencer (who we know as Peggy Woolley)? Or did you mean a character,
called June, in Casualty, that was played by "Jill Archer", as we know
her (but is really Patricia Greene)?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by carolet

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I definitely identified "Jill" (June) in Casualty, years ago. (Might
have helped that I wasn't looking at the screen.)

Is that a character, called Jill, in Casualty, that was played by June
Spencer (who we know as Peggy Woolley)? Or did you mean a character,
called June, in Casualty, that was played by "Jill Archer", as we know
her (but is really Patricia Greene)?

Oops; I'm always mixing those two up! I don't remember the name of the
character in Casualty; it was a one-off, not one of the regular
characters. The actress who is soon to be 100 was mentioned as having
been in Casualty in something I read, so it was probably her.

[Penny]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:00:07 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by carolet

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I definitely identified "Jill" (June) in Casualty, years ago. (Might
have helped that I wasn't looking at the screen.)

Is that a character, called Jill, in Casualty, that was played by June
Spencer (who we know as Peggy Woolley)? Or did you mean a character,
called June, in Casualty, that was played by "Jill Archer", as we know
her (but is really Patricia Greene)?

Oops; I'm always mixing those two up! I don't remember the name of the
character in Casualty; it was a one-off, not one of the regular
characters. The actress who is soon to be 100 was mentioned as having
been in Casualty in something I read, so it was probably her.

The actress who plays Jill did turn up as a patient on Doctors several
years ago. The voice was unmistakable but she looked all wrong to me as she
rarely does TV and I hadn't seen a photo of her taken after about 1975 (my
father always bought the Borchester Echo when it turned up on the news
stands).

[Nick Odell]

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

Unfortunately, I couldn't switch it off: I was in the bath at the time[1]

Post by BrritSki
PS  I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV  :)

Vis a vis loud music on R4, The 5.30ish in the morning "On This Day"
spot included a bit of what I suppose was Pathe News from the cinema.
So, yes, they had blaring background music on R4 - at half-past five in
the boodly morning too - but mostly, I'd forgotten how much loud and
brassy music we were subjected to in those days.

Or AIAOU in often being taken by their dad to the newsreel cinema on
Waterloo Station?

Nick
[1]I'm sure umra wouldn't require an explanation for why I was in a bath
at half past one in the afternoon[2]
[2]Oh all right then. I decided to have a bath after doing the mucky
pre-painting work in a room I'm in the process of redecorating

[Paul Herber]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

Unfortunately, I couldn't switch it off: I was in the bath at the time[1]

Post by BrritSki
PS  I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV  :)

Vis a vis loud music on R4, The 5.30ish in the morning "On This Day"
spot included a bit of what I suppose was Pathe News from the cinema.
So, yes, they had blaring background music on R4 - at half-past five in
the boodly morning too - but mostly, I'd forgotten how much loud and
brassy music we were subjected to in those days.
Or AIAOU in often being taken by their dad to the newsreel cinema on
Waterloo Station?
Nick
[1]I'm sure umra wouldn't require an explanation for why I was in a bath
at half past one in the afternoon[2]
[2]Oh all right then. I decided to have a bath after doing the mucky
pre-painting work in a room I'm in the process of redecorating

I'd just assume that you were getting the job over and done with nice and early in the
month, whether you needed to or not.

[Mike]

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

Unfortunately, I couldn't switch it off: I was in the bath at the time[1]

Post by BrritSki
PS  I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV  :)

Vis a vis loud music on R4, The 5.30ish in the morning "On This Day"
spot included a bit of what I suppose was Pathe News from the cinema.
So, yes, they had blaring background music on R4 - at half-past five in
the boodly morning too - but mostly, I'd forgotten how much loud and
brassy music we were subjected to in those days.
Or AIAOU in often being taken by their dad to the newsreel cinema on
Waterloo Station?
Nick
[1]I'm sure umra wouldn't require an explanation for why I was in a bath
at half past one in the afternoon[2]
[2]Oh all right then. I decided to have a bath after doing the mucky
pre-painting work in a room I'm in the process of redecorating

I'd just assume that you were getting the job over and done with nice and early in the
month, whether you needed to or not.

We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

[Paul Herber]

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

Unfortunately, I couldn't switch it off: I was in the bath at the time[1]

Post by BrritSki
PS  I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV  :)

Vis a vis loud music on R4, The 5.30ish in the morning "On This Day"
spot included a bit of what I suppose was Pathe News from the cinema.
So, yes, they had blaring background music on R4 - at half-past five in
the boodly morning too - but mostly, I'd forgotten how much loud and
brassy music we were subjected to in those days.
Or AIAOU in often being taken by their dad to the newsreel cinema on
Waterloo Station?
Nick
[1]I'm sure umra wouldn't require an explanation for why I was in a bath
at half past one in the afternoon[2]
[2]Oh all right then. I decided to have a bath after doing the mucky
pre-painting work in a room I'm in the process of redecorating

I'd just assume that you were getting the job over and done with nice and early in the
month, whether you needed to or not.

We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

Icelandic:
lauga dag = bath day
Laugardag = Saturday

[Nick Odell]

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Mike

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

Unfortunately, I couldn't switch it off: I was in the bath at the time[1]

Post by BrritSki
PS  I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV  :)

Vis a vis loud music on R4, The 5.30ish in the morning "On This Day"
spot included a bit of what I suppose was Pathe News from the cinema.
So, yes, they had blaring background music on R4 - at half-past five in
the boodly morning too - but mostly, I'd forgotten how much loud and
brassy music we were subjected to in those days.
Or AIAOU in often being taken by their dad to the newsreel cinema on
Waterloo Station?
Nick
[1]I'm sure umra wouldn't require an explanation for why I was in a bath
at half past one in the afternoon[2]
[2]Oh all right then. I decided to have a bath after doing the mucky
pre-painting work in a room I'm in the process of redecorating

I'd just assume that you were getting the job over and done with nice and early in the
month, whether you needed to or not.

We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

lauga dag = bath day
Laugardag = Saturday

Meanwhile, in Huddersfield...

Lagerday = Let's all meet up outside Iceland and go out on the p*ss.


Nick

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Mike
We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

lauga dag = bath day
Laugardag = Saturday

That's a long way to go in your dressing gown & slippers.

We had an indoor bathroom.

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

On Monday, 14 January 2019 22:13:40 UTC, Sam Plusnet wrote:

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Post by Sam Plusnet
We had an indoor bathroom.

Unlike Agamemnon, killed in a bath-outhouse acc. Pindar

[Mike]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
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Post by Sam Plusnet
We had an indoor bathroom.

Unlike Agamemnon, killed in a bath-outhouse acc. Pindar

Don’t tell Joe, he’ll want one.

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Mike
We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

lauga dag = bath day
Laugardag = Saturday

That's a long way to go in your dressing gown & slippers.
We had an indoor bathroom.

All together now:
Indoor bathroom? We used to *dream* of an indoor bathroom...

[Mike]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Paul Herber

Post by Mike
We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

lauga dag = bath day
Laugardag = Saturday

That's a long way to go in your dressing gown & slippers.
We had an indoor bathroom.

Indoor bathroom? We used to *dream* of an indoor bathroom...

ITYM ‘we used to dream of a bathroom!’

[Vicky Ayech]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:14:56 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Paul Herber

We used to refer to Radio 2’s ‘Friday Night is Music Night’ as ‘Bath
Night’.

lauga dag = bath day
Laugardag = Saturday

That's a long way to go in your dressing gown & slippers.
We had an indoor bathroom.

Indoor bathroom? We used to *dream* of an indoor bathroom...

My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden and bath was a tub in the kitchen that they
filled. It was also a long bus ride and someone I met at jsoc was in
digs where the landlady wanted a second lodger. I went to student
accommodation services and said I wanted to move as I was Jewish and
got told off for not disclosing it on my application. The Polish
family I'd first been with were nice though. They included an evening
meal for less than the new digs with just B&B. I was just not
comfortable with the tub in the kitchen.

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Vicky Ayech
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:14:56 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sam Plusnet
We had an indoor bathroom.

Indoor bathroom? We used to *dream* of an indoor bathroom...

My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden and bath was a tub in the kitchen that they
filled.

Oh, aye - Sheffield wi' its hoity-toity ways. Tub in t'kitchen?
Toilet? We used to...(cont. p94)

[Penny]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:28:20 +0000, Vicky Ayech <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden

There are times I have wished, while staying with d#1, that there was still
a loo in the yard.

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden

There are times I have wished, while staying with d#1, that there was still
a loo in the yard.

<thinks better of asking>

[Nick Odell]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden

There are times I have wished, while staying with d#1, that there was still
a loo in the yard.

<thinks better of asking>

<brushes aside tact and diplomacy and asks anyway>

You mean in addition to the one inside? An - how shall we put this? -
overflow facility?

Or is the indoor one really that dreadful?

Nick

[Penny]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:21:24 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden

There are times I have wished, while staying with d#1, that there was still
a loo in the yard.

<thinks better of asking>

<brushes aside tact and diplomacy and asks anyway>
You mean in addition to the one inside? An - how shall we put this? -
overflow facility?
Or is the indoor one really that dreadful?

The indoor one is fine but is usually up or down a steep staircase from
where I am (depending on time of day).

The outdoor one has been knocked down and is where they park the wheelie
bin.

Such things are not limited to Sheffield, of course. Bother #3's first
terraced house, in Bishop's Stortford had an offshot two-seater and no
inside loo. His next house, in Waltham Abbey also had no inside loo which
delayed his first son's potty training somewhat as he was scared of the
outhouse.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by Penny
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:21:24 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden

There are times I have wished, while staying with d#1, that there was still
a loo in the yard.

<thinks better of asking>

<brushes aside tact and diplomacy and asks anyway>
You mean in addition to the one inside? An - how shall we put this? -
overflow facility?
Or is the indoor one really that dreadful?

The indoor one is fine but is usually up or down a steep staircase from
where I am (depending on time of day).

#2 daughter's new house is like that. You enter up steps to the lounge
and kitchen level. Loos are down to the basement or up to nexxt level,
bathroom and bedrooms. Then more bedrooms higher up. 2 yr old grandson
is not showing any signs really and his female cousin was quite late
too but is now at 3 clean and dry.

#1 daughter was clean at 6mths! And dry before sister arrived when she
was 22 mths and had a bit of a relapse. Her sister was still
unreliable when she started school and we joked she'd go up the aisle
in nappies. She never married.....

With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off? She is a bit pernickey about almost
everything. Is it my fault?

Post by Penny
The outdoor one has been knocked down and is where they park the wheelie
bin.
Such things are not limited to Sheffield, of course. Bother #3's first
terraced house, in Bishop's Stortford had an offshot two-seater and no
inside loo. His next house, in Waltham Abbey also had no inside loo which
delayed his first son's potty training somewhat as he was scared of the
outhouse.

[John Ashby]

Post by Vicky Ayech
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off? She is a bit pernickey about almost
everything. Is it my fault?

You're a mother. Everything is your fault.

john

[LFS]

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Penny
The indoor one is fine but is usually up or down a steep staircase from
where I am (depending on time of day).

#2 daughter's new house is like that. You enter up steps to the lounge
and kitchen level. Loos are down to the basement or up to nexxt level,
bathroom and bedrooms. Then more bedrooms higher up. 2 yr old grandson
is not showing any signs really and his female cousin was quite late
too but is now at 3 clean and dry.
#1 daughter was clean at 6mths! And dry before sister arrived when she
was 22 mths and had a bit of a relapse. Her sister was still
unreliable when she started school and we joked she'd go up the aisle
in nappies. She never married.....
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off? She is a bit pernickey about almost
everything. Is it my fault?

Yes, we potted both children before and after feeding. My mum managed to
potty train 15 month old Daughter when we went to Paris to visit my
sister-in-law for a week. Mum was very proud of this but she didn't
manage to get her to eat anything but her preferred diet of cheese
biscuits washed down with Ribena.

Son was a nightmare. A friend joked that he'd be going off to university
with a dozen new nappies. When he was three and a half I took him to the
posh nursery school for an "interview" and he promptly peed on the
floor. The headmistress said she thought he wasn't mature enough for the
school. He did the same thing in the supermarket once. And even when he
started primary school he would occasionally come home wearing the weird
clothes they kept for those who had accidents - although he recently
told me that he sometimes did that on purpose because he liked the
trousers which had pirates on. For me, one of the highlights of the six
weeks since Granddaughter arrived has been watching him change her
nappies. Seems like payback, somehow.

[Vicky Ayech]

..

Post by LFS

Post by Vicky Ayech
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off? She is a bit pernickey about almost
everything. Is it my fault?

Yes, we potted both children before and after feeding. My mum managed to
potty train 15 month old Daughter when we went to Paris to visit my
sister-in-law for a week. Mum was very proud of this but she didn't
manage to get her to eat anything but her preferred diet of cheese
biscuits washed down with Ribena.

With #2 daughter I got a book, Toilet Training in Less Than a Day
We joked you'd have to scare them shitless.
And we also got the musical potty. It played a tune when liquid made a
connection between two metal contacts in the base. Daughter would pour
water in.

The daughter who trained early was bad with eating. And is now vegan.
A correlation?

Post by LFS
Son was a nightmare. A friend joked that he'd be going off to university
with a dozen new nappies. When he was three and a half I took him to the
posh nursery school for an "interview" and he promptly peed on the
floor. The headmistress said she thought he wasn't mature enough for the
school. He did the same thing in the supermarket once. And even when he
started primary school he would occasionally come home wearing the weird
clothes they kept for those who had accidents - although he recently
told me that he sometimes did that on purpose because he liked the
trousers which had pirates on. For me, one of the highlights of the six
weeks since Granddaughter arrived has been watching him change her
nappies. Seems like payback, somehow.

[Penny]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 19:29:31 +0000, LFS <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by LFS
Son was a nightmare. A friend joked that he'd be going off to university
with a dozen new nappies.

There was one boy who started at the village school when I worked there,
aged 5 and still in nappies.

I made it very clear when I took on the 'secretary' job there that, unlike
my predecessor, I would have nothing to do with the children.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Vicky Ayech
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off? She is a bit pernickey about almost
everything. Is it my fault?

Certainly worked with my puppies!

I believe modern thinking is that one shouldn't even contemplate
potty-training until the child is much older than was considered the
right time when mine were babies.

[Penny]

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scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Penny
The indoor one is fine but is usually up or down a steep staircase from
where I am (depending on time of day).

#2 daughter's new house is like that. You enter up steps to the lounge
and kitchen level. Loos are down to the basement or up to nexxt level,
bathroom and bedrooms.

That's twice as many loos as d#1 has.

Post by Vicky Ayech
#1 daughter was clean at 6mths! And dry before sister arrived when she
was 22 mths and had a bit of a relapse. Her sister was still
unreliable when she started school and we joked she'd go up the aisle
in nappies. She never married.....
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that?

My M-i-L did - in fact she advocated holding them over a pot from day 1, I
didn't follow her advice (my mother didn't manage to meet any of her
grandchildren - she would have been a super granny) .

Post by Vicky Ayech
Did it work or was #1 child a one-off?

Mine were quite different from each other.

Granddaughter #3 seems to be going her own way in this (and much else). She
has shown a dislike for wearing nappies which are not dry or clean and has
asked for the pot since she was able. Trouble is, now she doesn't like the
pot and doesn't always make it upstairs to the loo in time. She'll be 3
next month.
One day she may get a better liking for sleep - we live in hope...

Post by Vicky Ayech
Is it my fault?

Bound to be ;)
I've reached an age where I'm quite happy to take the blame for almost
everything.

[John Ashby]

Post by Penny
Granddaughter #3 s

[snip]

Post by Penny
One day she may get a better liking for sleep - we live in hope...

Don't. My father, who was a much respected primary school teacher,
always noted a positive correlation between a childs intelligence and
their lack of sleep in early years. Gd#3 is finding the world a far too
interesting place to waste all that time sleeping.

john

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Penny
The indoor one is fine but is usually up or down a steep staircase from
where I am (depending on time of day).

#2 daughter's new house is like that. You enter up steps to the lounge
and kitchen level. Loos are down to the basement or up to nexxt level,
bathroom and bedrooms.

That's twice as many loos as d#1 has.

Post by Vicky Ayech
#1 daughter was clean at 6mths! And dry before sister arrived when she
was 22 mths and had a bit of a relapse. Her sister was still
unreliable when she started school and we joked she'd go up the aisle
in nappies. She never married.....
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that?

My M-i-L did - in fact she advocated holding them over a pot from day 1, I
didn't follow her advice (my mother didn't manage to meet any of her
grandchildren - she would have been a super granny) .

Post by Vicky Ayech
Did it work or was #1 child a one-off?

Mine were quite different from each other.
Granddaughter #3 seems to be going her own way in this (and much else). She
has shown a dislike for wearing nappies which are not dry or clean and has
asked for the pot since she was able. Trouble is, now she doesn't like the
pot and doesn't always make it upstairs to the loo in time. She'll be 3
next month.
One day she may get a better liking for sleep - we live in hope...

Post by Vicky Ayech
Is it my fault?

Bound to be ;)
I've reached an age where I'm quite happy to take the blame for almost
everything.

As my mum died long before she could tell me anything, step ma being a
health visitor, previously a midwife, but not a mum herself, by the
training.

Sincerely Chris

[SODAM]

Post by Vicky Ayech
#1 daughter was clean at 6mths! And dry before sister arrived when she
was 22 mths and had a bit of a relapse. Her sister was still
unreliable when she started school and we joked she'd go up the aisle
in nappies. She never married.....
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off?

Yes, Vicky, I did the feed + potty from three months with #1 daughter, who
was dry and clean day and night from fifteen months. She was a very early
talker, so could ask for the loo when she needed it. Like you, I can’t
remember whether it worked with #2 child but she was very late to speak.

I tried to advise #1 to do the same with her daughter but she poo-pooed it
(see what I did there?).She said it was a waste of time because muscles
weren’t sufficiently developed at that age for the baby to be able to
control bladder or bowel. So I shut up and let her carry on with the
nappies.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by SODAM

Post by Vicky Ayech
#1 daughter was clean at 6mths! And dry before sister arrived when she
was 22 mths and had a bit of a relapse. Her sister was still
unreliable when she started school and we joked she'd go up the aisle
in nappies. She never married.....
With first child I did as my mum advised. From a few months pot child
before and after every feed. I can no longer recall if I tried this
with second child. Did anyone else's mum advise that? Did it work or
was #1 child a one-off?

Yes, Vicky, I did the feed + potty from three months with #1 daughter, who
was dry and clean day and night from fifteen months. She was a very early
talker, so could ask for the loo when she needed it. Like you, I can’t
remember whether it worked with #2 child but she was very late to speak.
I tried to advise #1 to do the same with her daughter but she poo-pooed it
(see what I did there?).She said it was a waste of time because muscles
weren’t sufficiently developed at that age for the baby to be able to
control bladder or bowel. So I shut up and let her carry on with the
nappies.

My second daughter spoke very late too. 2 years old, same with
walking. She let #1 child speak for her and people fetched
items.Second child was late to get clean and dry and didn't much care
:). She was and is much more relaxed. Also breast-fed for 10 months.
It didn't work so well first time. Hospital having bottle-fed before I
got the chance! Second born at home, as was her child. All signs
saying less medical interference and being relaxed works well.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Penny
Bother #3's first
terraced house, in Bishop's Stortford had an offshot two-seater and no
inside loo.

In 1852 my parents bought a near-derelict holiday cottage which had no
indoor plumbing. Huge ecitement when we children visited for the first
time: I clamoured to be taken to see the two-seater and gazed in awe
when our neighbour (and erstwhile owner of the cottage) obliged. Imagine
the chagrin, though, when we discovered that another neighbouring farm
had a three-seater.

[Mike]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Penny
Bother #3's first
terraced house, in Bishop's Stortford had an offshot two-seater and no
inside loo.

In 1852 my parents bought a near-derelict holiday cottage which had no
indoor plumbing. Huge ecitement when we children visited for the first
time: I clamoured to be taken to see the two-seater and gazed in awe
when our neighbour (and erstwhile owner of the cottage) obliged. Imagine
the chagrin, though, when we discovered that another neighbouring farm
had a three-seater.

Is that where all the bums hung out?

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Penny
Such things are not limited to Sheffield, of course. Bother #3's first
terraced house, in Bishop's Stortford had an offshot two-seater and no
inside loo.

I remember my dad telling a tale I think his father had related
of the arrangements at work. Essentially, rather than a row of
holes in a plank, there was simply a long beam on which users sat
in a row. Beneath was a wheeled vehicle which was hauled away by
a horse every so often.

Some wag sawed part way through the beam, with inevitable
consequences.

Wasn't it the Romans who had the first toilet pranks? Their more
sophisticated plumbing sometimes had a row of holes in stonework,
with a stream arranged to flow permanently beneath. The trick was
to wait until it was fully occupied, then introduce a small
floating container with burning contents. Release it into the
stream, and wait for the regular sequence of yelps as each user
feels the heat.

You might enjoy reading:

<http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_library/specialist.html>

Chris

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Chris J Dixon
Wasn't it the Romans who had the first toilet pranks? Their more
sophisticated plumbing sometimes had a row of holes in stonework,
with a stream arranged to flow permanently beneath. The trick was
to wait until it was fully occupied, then introduce a small
floating container with burning contents. Release it into the
stream, and wait for the regular sequence of yelps as each user
feels the heat.

Which, for the users, settles the question of what the Romans have ever
done for us once and for all.[1]


[2]Unless we crash out of the Question, or come back with an amended
plan, or hold a second referendum, or adopt the Norway or Canada Plus
models, or....

<head in hands>

[Penny]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:08:35 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius
Which, for the users, settles the question of what the Romans have ever
done for us once and for all.[1]
[2]Unless we crash out of the Question, or come back with an amended
plan, or hold a second referendum, or adopt the Norway or Canada Plus
models, or....
<head in hands>

But where are the foot notes? Have they walked off?

[Mike]

Post by Penny
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:08:35 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius
Which, for the users, settles the question of what the Romans have ever
done for us once and for all.[1]
[2]Unless we crash out of the Question, or come back with an amended
plan, or hold a second referendum, or adopt the Norway or Canada Plus
models, or....
<head in hands>

But where are the foot notes? Have they walked off?

They were shoed away...

[Mike]

Post by Penny
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:08:35 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius
Which, for the users, settles the question of what the Romans have ever
done for us once and for all.[1]
[2]Unless we crash out of the Question, or come back with an amended
plan, or hold a second referendum, or adopt the Norway or Canada Plus
models, or....
<head in hands>

But where are the foot notes? Have they walked off?

[Nick Odell]

Post by Chris J Dixon
Wasn't it the Romans who had the first toilet pranks? Their more
sophisticated plumbing sometimes had a row of holes in stonework,
with a stream arranged to flow permanently beneath. The trick was
to wait until it was fully occupied, then introduce a small
floating container with burning contents. Release it into the
stream, and wait for the regular sequence of yelps as each user
feels the heat.

I've meditated in festival latrines that are somewhat similar to that.
No flowing water of course, just a big pit. I wonder if there's scope
for reviving an old joke? It could be enormous fun for drone operators
if they are not too busy shutting down airports.

Nick

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Nick Odell
I've meditated in festival latrines that are somewhat similar to that.
No flowing water of course, just a big pit. I wonder if there's scope
for reviving an old joke? It could be enormous fun for drone operators
if they are not too busy shutting down airports.

I don't think I would like to be there when it hits the fan!

Chris

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Chris J Dixon
Wasn't it the Romans who had the first toilet pranks? Their more
sophisticated plumbing sometimes had a row of holes in stonework,
with a stream arranged to flow permanently beneath. The trick was
to wait until it was fully occupied, then introduce a small
floating container with burning contents. Release it into the
stream, and wait for the regular sequence of yelps as each user
feels the heat.

I've meditated in festival latrines that are somewhat similar to that.
No flowing water of course, just a big pit. I wonder if there's scope
for reviving an old joke? It could be enormous fun for drone operators
if they are not too busy shutting down airports.

I misread the antepenultimate word, presumably having been subliminally
influenced by the context.

[Mike]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Chris J Dixon
Wasn't it the Romans who had the first toilet pranks? Their more
sophisticated plumbing sometimes had a row of holes in stonework,
with a stream arranged to flow permanently beneath. The trick was
to wait until it was fully occupied, then introduce a small
floating container with burning contents. Release it into the
stream, and wait for the regular sequence of yelps as each user
feels the heat.

I've meditated in festival latrines that are somewhat similar to that.
No flowing water of course, just a big pit. I wonder if there's scope
for reviving an old joke? It could be enormous fun for drone operators
if they are not too busy shutting down airports.

I misread the antepenultimate word, presumably having been subliminally
influenced by the context.

But the word ‘on’ would be required in that instance;-)

[Fenny]

Post by Penny
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Post by Vicky Ayech
My first digs in Sheffield, Attercliffe, at university there was a
toilet down the garden

There are times I have wished, while staying with d#1, that there was still
a loo in the yard.

My first house in Hudds was a back to back. The toilet was in the
yard, but to get to the yard, you had to go through the gennel about 4
houses down. The toilet block was the other side of the yard.

[Penny]

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scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
My first house in Hudds was a back to back. The toilet was in the
yard, but to get to the yard, you had to go through the gennel about 4
houses down. The toilet block was the other side of the yard.

Most of the woollen mills here were built like that. The work was done on
the top two open-plan floors with 6 or 8, back-to-backs below. I think they
have all now been converted (apart from the textile museum), mostly as
several flats, but I'm not certain. I'm sure they all have indoor plumbing
though and useful sheds in the courts behind.

[Chris J Dixon]

My uncle was head of a small village school in Shropshire during
the fifties, and there were no mains services apart from a water
supply.

A visiting HMI strolled across the school yard to inspect the
primitive toilets.

"Mr Dixon, I can't help but notice that the toilet doors have no
locks."


v


v


v


v


v


v


v


v

v
"That's all right, nobody has pinched a bucket yet!"

Chris

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Chris J Dixon
My uncle was head of a small village school in Shropshire during
the fifties, and there were no mains services apart from a water
supply.
A visiting HMI strolled across the school yard to inspect the
primitive toilets.
"Mr Dixon, I can't help but notice that the toilet doors have no
locks."
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
"That's all right, nobody has pinched a bucket yet!"
Chris

Priceless!

Sincerely Chris

[Mike Ruddock]

Post by BrritSki
Driving back from Slad yesterday and I hear a trail for a prog. about a
Latin Primer with Mar Beard.
Now I don't have a problem with the Prof's age, looks or politics as I
think she is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and interesting.
I also don't have a problem with Latin although it's 60 years since I
did the 2 years of "study", so I thought it might be entertaining.
But no. All the Latin was sung by a boodly choir. They might well be
excellent singers, and fine in their place, but it's difficult enough
understanding English when it's sung like that, when it's Latin it's
completely lost. Switched off after the first "song".

The trouble was compounded by many of the songs being sung by at least
two voices singing in a sort of counterpoint so that one voice covered
up what the other was saying. My wife was brought up on Kennedys
Shortbread Eating Primer and even she couldn't understand much of what
was said.

Mike Ruddock

Post by BrritSki
PS  I also listened to the 2nd part of the Canterbury Tales, which I've
never read r heard before and it occurred to me that at least one of
them is a kind of parable of Brexit (the one where the coast of Brittany
is disappeared), although which character represents which side of
Brexit might depend on your POV  :)