[OT] All New Cars To Have Kill Switches

[moviePig]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on details. As per the documents, it’s known the proposed safety device will “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls, it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected. However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access to the system’s data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it’s designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant? What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits “change” which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

So, you're driving slowly across railroad tracks, when you swerve,
seemingly erratically (to avoid crushing a turtle). The crossing bell
sounds as a high-speed train bears down...

[super70s]

BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS
IN 2026 Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever joy
and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into a
nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own
sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

I'm driving a 2003 model now so I could probably drive a 2025 car until
my time comes, lol.

[BTR1701]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle kill
switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been
positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026
the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.

I'd read that the initial draft of the bill didn't have just a kill switch
provision but that it was going to require those ignition inter-lock
systems that drunk drivers currently have to have installed as part of
their court sentencing. Except it was going to apply to everyone. All new
cars would have been required to have the inter-lock devices installed and
every single one of us would have to blow into a tube to prove to our cars
we're not drunk every time we wanted to drive anywhere.

That was too much even for the Democrats, so it was changed to an AI kill
switch instead.

How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be able
to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it's
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves in
a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as hostages
on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they are in fact not impaired?

And even if the cops do decide you're not impaired, what can some patrol
cop on an isolated farm road in rural Texas do about it? Your car will
still be disabled.

Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that
include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription
painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue
come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying
to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits "change"
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever joy
and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into a
nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.

You can expect a new black market will spring up that will hack these kill
switches and disable the disabler.

Have I mentioned lately that I'm quite happy to have a 1998 4Runner that
has none of these techy bells and whistles?

[chromebook test]

Post by BTR1701

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle kill
switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been
positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026
the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.

I'd read that the initial draft of the bill didn't have just a kill switch
provision but that it was going to require those ignition inter-lock
systems that drunk drivers currently have to have installed as part of
their court sentencing. Except it was going to apply to everyone. All new
cars would have been required to have the inter-lock devices installed and
every single one of us would have to blow into a tube to prove to our cars
we're not drunk every time we wanted to drive anywhere.
That was too much even for the Democrats, so it was changed to an AI kill
switch instead.

How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be able
to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it's
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves in
a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as hostages
on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they are in fact not impaired?

And even if the cops do decide you're not impaired, what can some patrol
cop on an isolated farm road in rural Texas do about it? Your car will
still be disabled.

Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that
include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription
painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue
come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying
to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits "change"
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever joy
and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into a
nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.

You can expect a new black market will spring up that will hack these kill
switches and disable the disabler.
Have I mentioned lately that I'm quite happy to have a 1998 4Runner that
has none of these techy bells and whistles?

"I'm just a bill"

https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr3684/BILLS-117hr3684enr.pdf

"SEC. 24220. ADVANCED IMPAIRED DRIVING TECHNOLOGY."





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[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle kill
switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been
positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026
the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.

I'd read that the initial draft of the bill didn't have just a kill switch
provision but that it was going to require those ignition inter-lock
systems that drunk drivers currently have to have installed as part of
their court sentencing. Except it was going to apply to everyone. All new
cars would have been required to have the inter-lock devices installed and
every single one of us would have to blow into a tube to prove to our cars
we're not drunk every time we wanted to drive anywhere.
That was too much even for the Democrats, so it was changed to an AI kill
switch instead.

How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be able
to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it's
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves in
a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as hostages
on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they are in fact not impaired?

And even if the cops do decide you're not impaired, what can some patrol
cop on an isolated farm road in rural Texas do about it? Your car will
still be disabled.

So your pea brain thinks this is a violation of your "freedom" to break
the law if your in an isolated situation? Honest to Christ, even I
didn't think you were that stupid. I guess I was wrong. You're royally
fucked in the head, obviously.

[shawn]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.

There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

[shawn]

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.
There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

So do you support voting against Build Back Better then?

No, because it's too hard to get such a bill through Congress as it
is, but I do support legislation to neuter this part of the bill.

[BTR1701]

Post by shawn

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.
There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

So do you support voting against Build Back Better then?

No, because it's too hard to get such a bill through Congress as it
is, but I do support legislation to neuter this part of the bill.

Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by shawn

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.
There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

So do you support voting against Build Back Better then?

No, because it's too hard to get such a bill through Congress as it
is, but I do support legislation to neuter this part of the bill.

Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

You're so right, that's why Republican assholes only concern themselves
with tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. Fucking Dems always try
to pass stuff that benefits the American people, the rat bastards.

[The Horny Goat]

Post by BTR1701
Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

BUT BUT BUT that would make too much sense!

It would also defang the social engineers who would seek to remake us
in their own image.

[suzeeq]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701
Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

BUT BUT BUT that would make too much sense!
It would also defang the social engineers who would seek to remake us
in their own image.

I think they're throwing them altogether now because they have
Democratic majority and after this fall's elections they may not have a
chance to even remotely get them passed.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by suzeeq
I think they're throwing them altogether now because they have
Democratic majority and after this fall's elections they may not have a
chance to even remotely get them passed.

This Democratic majority in Congress is going out of its way to make us
lose the maximum number of seats possible in the upcoming midterm election.

I'm really pissed.

[suzeeq]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by suzeeq
I think they're throwing them altogether now because they have
Democratic majority and after this fall's elections they may not have a
chance to even remotely get them passed.

This Democratic majority in Congress is going out of its way to make us
lose the maximum number of seats possible in the upcoming midterm election.
I'm really pissed.

Yeah, their 'strategy' may backfire on them.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by suzeeq
I think they're throwing them altogether now because they have
Democratic majority and after this fall's elections they may not have a
chance to even remotely get them passed.

This Democratic majority in Congress is going out of its way to make us
lose the maximum number of seats possible in the upcoming midterm election.
I'm really pissed.

Yeah, their 'strategy' may backfire on them.

I agree with you. They wanted to ram this crap through and to hell with
the consequences.

[BTR1701]

Post by suzeeq

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701
Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

BUT BUT BUT that would make too much sense!
It would also defang the social engineers who would seek to remake us
in their own image.

I think they're throwing them altogether now because they have
Democratic majority and after this fall's elections they may not have a
chance to even remotely get them passed.

Congress has been doing these 'omnibus' bills for several decades now. Both
parties are guilty of it. It's ridiculous and needs to stop.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701
Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

BUT BUT BUT that would make too much sense!
It would also defang the social engineers who would seek to remake us
in their own image.

I think they're throwing them altogether now because they have
Democratic majority and after this fall's elections they may not have a
chance to even remotely get them passed.

Congress has been doing these 'omnibus' bills for several decades now. Both
parties are guilty of it. It's ridiculous and needs to stop.

Both parties? When did the right wing shitbags do anything
consequential that wasn't a tax cut for the wealthy?

[shawn]

Post by BTR1701

Post by shawn

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.
There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

So do you support voting against Build Back Better then?

No, because it's too hard to get such a bill through Congress as it
is, but I do support legislation to neuter this part of the bill.

Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

How else will politicians get their bills passed? I can't recall a
time in my lifetime when we didn't see large bills being put together
with lots of pork added to convince various politicians vote for a
bill to get their pork (that helps their constituents) passed. It
would be great if all of the bills were limited to one issue but then
very little bills would end up getting passed (not that Congress is
getting much done today.)

[super70s]

Post by shawn

Post by BTR1701

Post by shawn

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-ki
ll-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden's New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill
is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle
kill switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.
There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

So do you support voting against Build Back Better then?

No, because it's too hard to get such a bill through Congress as it
is, but I do support legislation to neuter this part of the bill.

Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

How else will politicians get their bills passed? I can't recall a
time in my lifetime when we didn't see large bills being put together
with lots of pork added to convince various politicians vote for a
bill to get their pork (that helps their constituents) passed. It
would be great if all of the bills were limited to one issue but then
very little bills would end up getting passed (not that Congress is
getting much done today.)

Flyer/questionnaire received today from my Republican congressman:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your Opinion Matters

Do you support Covid vaccine mandates?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Undecided

Do you support the "Build Back Better" bill, which includes as much as
$2 trillion in new spending on items such as subsidies for electric
cars, paid family leave, "environmental justice," and tax cuts for
higher income individuals who pay more than $10,000 in state and local
taxes?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Undecided

How would you currently rate the federal government's handling of the
Covid pandemic?

[ ] Excellent
[ ] Good
[ ] Fair
[ ] Poor
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm going to check the first box in all of them and mail it back just to
piss him off, lol.

BTW I thought the whine about "tax cuts for higher income individuals"
was precious since he was one of the many House Republicans who voted
for the regressive 2017 Republican tax cut.

[suzeeq]

Post by super70s

Post by shawn

Post by BTR1701

Post by shawn

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-ki
ll-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden's New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill
is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle
kill switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every

new car sold in the United States.
There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

So do you support voting against Build Back Better then?

No, because it's too hard to get such a bill through Congress as it
is, but I do support legislation to neuter this part of the bill.

Or we could just stop with these massive bills that have everything under
the sun in them and get back to passing individual laws that cover one
topic at a time.

How else will politicians get their bills passed? I can't recall a
time in my lifetime when we didn't see large bills being put together
with lots of pork added to convince various politicians vote for a
bill to get their pork (that helps their constituents) passed. It
would be great if all of the bills were limited to one issue but then
very little bills would end up getting passed (not that Congress is
getting much done today.)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your Opinion Matters
Do you support Covid vaccine mandates?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Undecided
Do you support the "Build Back Better" bill, which includes as much as
$2 trillion in new spending on items such as subsidies for electric
cars, paid family leave, "environmental justice," and tax cuts for
higher income individuals who pay more than $10,000 in state and local
taxes?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Undecided
How would you currently rate the federal government's handling of the
Covid pandemic?
[ ] Excellent
[ ] Good
[ ] Fair
[ ] Poor
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm going to check the first box in all of them and mail it back just to
piss him off, lol.
BTW I thought the whine about "tax cuts for higher income individuals"
was precious since he was one of the many House Republicans who voted
for the regressive 2017 Republican tax cut.

I think the Child tax credits should be extended, but not apply to
households making more than $300K per year. Maybe even $200-250K.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by suzeeq
I think the Child tax credits should be extended, but not apply to
households making more than $300K per year. Maybe even $200-250K.

If it were permanent, then rents would rise and the family wouldn't have
more spending money in the end. That's just the way economics work.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by super70s
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your Opinion Matters
Do you support Covid vaccine mandates?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Undecided
Do you support the "Build Back Better" bill, which includes as much as
$2 trillion in new spending on items such as subsidies for electric
cars, paid family leave, "environmental justice," and tax cuts for
higher income individuals who pay more than $10,000 in state and local
taxes?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Undecided
How would you currently rate the federal government's handling of the
Covid pandemic?
[ ] Excellent
[ ] Good
[ ] Fair
[ ] Poor
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm going to check the first box in all of them and mail it back just to
piss him off, lol.

Did you include a campaign donation?
They don't look at those without money.

--
Let's go Brandon!

[Micky DuPree]

Post by shawn
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill
is a passage that will require automakers to begin including a
"vehicle kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The
measure has been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk
driving, and by 2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new
car sold in the United States.

There's no way this could go wrong. Absolutely no way at all, right?

Is there a reputable source for this? Googling only gets right-wing
sites. I searched Snopes, FactCheck.org, and Politifact for "kill
switch" and got nothing.

-Micky

[RichA]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on details. As per the documents, it’s known the proposed safety device will “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls, it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected. However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access to the system’s data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it’s designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant? What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits “change” which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report if anyone tries to do that.

[moviePig]

Post by RichA

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on details. As per the documents, it’s known the proposed safety device will “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls, it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected. However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access to the system’s data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it’s designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant? What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits “change” which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report if anyone tries to do that.

That $500 would come with some liability for owner driving-habits.

[Your Name]

Post by moviePig

Post by RichA

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden's New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill
is a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle
kill switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the
United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short
on details. As per the documents, it's known the proposed safety device
will "passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle
to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired."
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be
running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for
deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle
will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in
order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls,
it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable
the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is
detected. However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature
of the system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party
access to the system's data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious
forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a
cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be
able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it's
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves
in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as
hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they
are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does
that include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on
prescription painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week
is en vogue come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of
drinking, or trying to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one
toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits "change"
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever
joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into
a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your
own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to
report if anyone tries to do that.

That $500 would come with some liability for owner driving-habits.

If found to be turned off when laws say it must be on, means it would
also void any insurance claim.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by RichA

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on
details. As per the documents, it’s known the proposed safety device
will “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle
to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be
running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for
deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle
will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in
order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls,
it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable
the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected.
However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the
system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access
to the system’s data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious
forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a
cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be
able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it’s
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves
in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as
hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they
are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that
include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription
painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue
come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying
to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits “change”
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever
joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into
a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report
if anyone tries to do that.

When I was in college my dad’s company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn’t it wouldn’t let you start the car.
The thing is, it didn’t work with rancid pig shit. Not only would a child
set it off but so would a good size dog or a couple bags of groceries.
Sometimes nothing at all would be good enough. And those things that moved
or were on the border for the weight would shut the goddamn car off in
motion. Most specifically it did it when you started moving at an
intersection and would leave you stranded right in the middle of said
intersection.
Being the type of precocious teenager I was I quickly took the thing apart
and figured out how to defeat it. You had to have a weight in the seat and
be moving when you cut the right wires. Obviously not a job for one person.
When the rest of the office heard what we done they all wanted it done as
well. So dad would swap with them and bring their cars home for the needed
surgery.

[BTR1701]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by RichA

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on
details. As per the documents, it’s known the proposed safety device
will “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle
to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be
running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for
deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle
will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in
order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls,
it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable
the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected.
However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the
system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access
to the system’s data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious
forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a
cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be
able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it’s
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves
in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as
hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they
are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that
include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription
painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue
come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying
to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits “change”
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever
joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into
a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report
if anyone tries to do that.

When I was in college my dad’s company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn’t it wouldn’t let you start the car.
The thing is, it didn’t work with rancid pig shit. Not only would a child
set it off but so would a good size dog or a couple bags of groceries.
Sometimes nothing at all would be good enough. And those things that moved
or were on the border for the weight would shut the goddamn car off in
motion. Most specifically it did it when you started moving at an
intersection and would leave you stranded right in the middle of said
intersection.
Being the type of precocious teenager I was I quickly took the thing apart
and figured out how to defeat it. You had to have a weight in the seat and
be moving when you cut the right wires. Obviously not a job for one person.
When the rest of the office heard what we done they all wanted it done as
well. So dad would swap with them and bring their cars home for the needed
surgery.

I had the same problem with the government car I was issued. Rather than
disable the vehicle, I just bought a set of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Buckle-Silencers-Robust-Automotive/dp/B096XVKYDW/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?crid=QINFHG7IQX2H&keywords=seat+belt+clips&qid=1641704170&sprefix=seat+belt+clips%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-9

Fooled the car into thinking the seatbelt was fastened. Worked like a
charm.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by RichA

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden’s New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden’s recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a “vehicle
kill switch” within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on
details. As per the documents, it’s known the proposed safety device
will “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle
to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.”
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be
running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for
deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle
will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in
order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls,
it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable
the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected.
However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the
system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access
to the system’s data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious
forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a
cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be
able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it’s
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves
in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as
hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they
are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that
include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription
painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue
come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying
to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits “change”
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever
joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into
a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report
if anyone tries to do that.

When I was in college my dad’s company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn’t it wouldn’t let you start the car.
The thing is, it didn’t work with rancid pig shit. Not only would a child
set it off but so would a good size dog or a couple bags of groceries.
Sometimes nothing at all would be good enough. And those things that moved
or were on the border for the weight would shut the goddamn car off in
motion. Most specifically it did it when you started moving at an
intersection and would leave you stranded right in the middle of said
intersection.
Being the type of precocious teenager I was I quickly took the thing apart
and figured out how to defeat it. You had to have a weight in the seat and
be moving when you cut the right wires. Obviously not a job for one person.
When the rest of the office heard what we done they all wanted it done as
well. So dad would swap with them and bring their cars home for the needed
surgery.

I had the same problem with the government car I was issued. Rather than
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Buckle-Silencers-Robust-Automotive/dp/B096XVKYDW/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?crid=QINFHG7IQX2H&keywords=seat+belt+clips&qid=1641704170&sprefix=seat+belt+clips%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-9
Fooled the car into thinking the seatbelt was fastened. Worked like a
charm.

So you weren't even able to follow protocol. No wonder you got fired.

[BTR1701]

Post by RichA
LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report
if anyone tries to do that.

If it was a law to have it turned on, then any road worthiness testing
should check it and fail the car.

We don't have vehicle safety inspections in California. Most they do is a
smog check every two years.

But even so, you just pay your guy to re-enable it right before you get
your car inspected, then switch it off again afterward.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by RichA
LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report
if anyone tries to do that.

If it was a law to have it turned on, then any road worthiness testing
should check it and fail the car.

We don't have vehicle safety inspections in California. Most they do is a
smog check every two years.
But even so, you just pay your guy to re-enable it right before you get
your car inspected, then switch it off again afterward.

So you promote illegal activity? Yeah, that tracks.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by RichA

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/
December 17, 2021
BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL: MANDATED KILL SWITCHES COMING TO CARS IN 2026
Biden's New Bill Has A Scary Built In Backdoor
Deep within President Joe Biden's recently signed infrastructure bill is
a passage that will require automakers to begin including a "vehicle
kill switch" within the operating software of new cars. The measure has
been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by
2026 the kill switch will be mandated on every new car sold in the United States.
According to the Daily Caller, the legislation is frighteningly short on
details. As per the documents, it's known the proposed safety device
will "passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle
to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired."
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch will always be
running in the background and constantly monitoring the vehicle for
deviation from normal driving habits, which will also mean the vehicle
will need to learn your specific idiosyncrasies behind the wheel in
order to better profile your behavior.
The system will receive data inputs from critical operational controls,
it will also be capable of overriding those controls so as to disable
the vehicle either before or during driving once impairment is detected.
However, the worst part of the legislation is the open nature of the
system which will feature at least one backdoor for third-party access
to the system's data at any time.
Never mind the pet conspiracy theories about hackers or other malicious
forces being able to seize control of your vehicle and drive it off a
cliff, what about the simple logistical aspects of this system.
How will the kill switch system determine impairment, and will it be
able to distinguish impairment from garden variety drowsiness? If it's
designed to combat impairment will the system even warn the driver that
control of the vehicle is being seized? Are we going to find ourselves
in a society where sleepy people are being trapped in their cars as
hostages on the side of the road until the police arrive to decide they
are in fact not impaired?
Of course, the term impairment is also open to interpretation. Does that
include housewives and Tiger Woods types who are blasted on prescription
painkillers, or whatever pharmaceutical flavor of the week is en vogue
come 2026? Or are we simply looking for symptoms of drinking, or trying
to determine which toke of marijuana smoke is one toke over the line?
More questions start to pop up the longer you ponder this new
legislation. Who has access to the data collected by the kill switch
system? Will the police be given access to the data without a warrant?
What about insurance companies, will they be granted access to the data
in order to better understand what kind of driver is being insured, or
worse, will they know with what frequency your driving habits "change"
which could then be interpreted as impairment?
The mandatory nature of such a kill switch will quickly take whatever
joy and freedom we still derive from vehicle ownership and turn it into
a nightmare that tramples on your rights in the name of safety for your own sake.
But what are we going to do, stop buying cars?

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it
off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report
if anyone tries to do that.

If it was a law to have it turned on, then any road worthiness testing
should check it and fail the car.

When I was in college my dad's company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a "safety" feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn't it wouldn't let you start the car.
The thing is, it didn't work with rancid pig shit. Not only would a child
set it off but so would a good size dog or a couple bags of groceries.
Sometimes nothing at all would be good enough. And those things that moved
or were on the border for the weight would shut the goddamn car off in
motion. Most specifically it did it when you started moving at an
intersection and would leave you stranded right in the middle of said
intersection.
Being the type of precocious teenager I was I quickly took the thing apart
and figured out how to defeat it. You had to have a weight in the seat and
be moving when you cut the right wires. Obviously not a job for one person.
When the rest of the office heard what we done they all wanted it done as
well. So dad would swap with them and bring their cars home for the needed
surgery.

No need to bother cutting wires. The easiest way to "defeat" such a
system is to simply put in the seat belt, even if it's behind the
grocery bags, dog, etc. In many of them even simply putting a spare
belt buckle from an auto parts / wreckers shop into the socket would
"defeat" it.

That didn’t work. It didn’t like if the weight came and went after the belt
was buckled. Plus it sometimes just went off by itself. The last straw was
when it did it down the corner from my parents house and refused to restart
and we had to walk home.

The problem with all these gimmicks (whether or not the idea behind
them is good) is that they are simply yet another problem to go wrong
and cost the owner a fortune to fix.
My mother's car has a silly tyre pressure monitor that keeps
complaining every so often despite the fact that the tyre is fine. It's
already been "fixed" by the dealer mechanic twice, but still keeps
going off. Even when it complains you can still keep driving the car,
and turn it "off" by simply tapping through the dash computer options
to tell the system the tyre is okay ... until it goes off again a few
weeks later. :-\

[The Horny Goat]

Post by anim8rfsk
When I was in college my dad’s company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn’t it wouldn’t let you start the car.

My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.

I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

[shawn]

Post by The Horny Goat

When I was in college my dad’s company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn’t it wouldn’t let you start the car.

My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.
I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

At least you could rest easy knowing the turkey would not go flying
through the window if you had a sudden stop.

[moviePig]

Post by shawn

Post by The Horny Goat

When I was in college my dad’s company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you to
fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied. If
you didn’t it wouldn’t let you start the car.

My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.
I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

At least you could rest easy knowing the turkey would not go flying
through the window if you had a sudden stop.

Of course not. Turkeys can't fly...

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 09 Jan 2022 22:24:10 -0500, shawn

Post by shawn

Post by The Horny Goat
My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.
I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

At least you could rest easy knowing the turkey would not go flying
through the window if you had a sudden stop.

Even if it was a live turkey I wouldn't care for its safety nearly as
much as the wife + kids.

Am pretty sure I've told the story about the time my son's car seat
strap did something weird and he ended up safe + sound but upside down
in the back seat of my care in a sudden stop. Didn't tell the missus
till 12 years later at which point he was taller than she was.....

[Ubiquitous]

Post by The Horny Goat

When I was in college my dad's company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you
to fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied.
If you didn't it wouldn't let you start the car.

My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.
I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

Wow, that's not nice thing to call your passenger!

--
Let's go Brandon!

[Your Name]

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Post by The Horny Goat

When I was in college my dad's company had a fleet of identical Ford LTD
and Lincoln continentals. They put in a “safety“ feature to force you
to fasten the seatbelt on the front passenger seat when it was occupied.
If you didn't it wouldn't let you start the car.

My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.
I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

Wow, that's not nice thing to call your passenger!

It's just the industry-standard term used by taxi drivers, Uber
drivers, bus drivers, etc. ;-)

[The Horny Goat]

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Post by The Horny Goat
My present car will beep at you when there's a heavy object on the
front passenger seat but not strapped in.
I've had to pull overn and seatbelt a turkey on a couple of occasions
to get the beeping to stop...

Wow, that's not nice thing to call your passenger!

During Covid I've at most three times carried non family members. In
this case I was talking an important part of Christmas dinner

So I will assume you were making a joke - I've no idea how much weight
is required to make it beep but this particular bird was 15 lbs :)

[trotsky]

Post by RichA
LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table for turning it off. Assuming Bidenamerica hasn't installed monitoring devices to report if anyone tries to do that.

Well anonyshitted and vegetable'd!!!

[super70s]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.

I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

[suzeeq]

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Post by RichA
RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.

That would like asking one to remove your catalytic converter, they'd
tell you to piss off.

Depends.  Iirc, those have some black-market value...

My dad removed it himelf, and openend up the tank opening which were a
smaller size than the leaded tank nozzles. That was nearly 50 years ago.

[Your Name]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone
overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding to
those of us in regular or low cars.

Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that the
manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution. :-\ What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough"
for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

[moviePig]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone overlooks
anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding to those of us
in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that the
manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough" for
them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is to
kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.

Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

[suzeeq]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone
overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding to
those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that
the manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough"
for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is to
kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend to
blend into the pavement more than other colors.

[trotsky]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone
overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding
to those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that
the manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots
honking at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick
enough" for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is to
kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars.

Holy cow is that racist.

[moviePig]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone
overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding
to those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that
the manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots
honking at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick
enough" for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is to
kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend to
blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

[Your Name]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone
overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding to
those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that the
manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough"
for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is to
kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend
to blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road. :-p

[Adam H. Kerman]

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. . .

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road. :-p

Oh, just stop lecturing and hectoring. Most words have multiple
definitions.

1 a paved surface: such as
a the artificially covered surface of a public thoroughfare
b [chiefly British] sidewalk
2 the material with which something is paved
-- Merriam-Webster

You're such a language purist, what would you have the world do? Speak
Old English and purge the language of all the Latin-based words
introduced in the Norman invasion? That's half of the vocabulary.

English is the world language of business and commerce. Why? Because
it's flexible and happily incorporates loan words from other languages as
needed.

[suzeeq]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your
car gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost
every car having them, they simply become background noise that
everyone overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be
blinding to those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that
the manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots
honking at you because you didn't move off at the green light
"quick enough" for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart
first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is
to kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on.
My latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to
have to drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in
traffic tend to blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road.  :-p

In the US pavement is the road, not the sidewalk.

[Your Name]

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RichA

Post by shawn
Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously doubt
you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated with one of
the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was standard equipment
on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your car
gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost every car
having them, they simply become background noise that everyone
overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can be blinding to
those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that the
manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough"
for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is to
kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend
to blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road.  :-p

In the US pavement is the road, not the sidewalk.

I know, just pointing out yet another silly Americanism.

[suzeeq]

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Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously
doubt you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated
with one of the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was
standard equipment on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since
grown used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your
car gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost
every car having them, they simply become background noise that
everyone overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can
be blinding to those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so
that the manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and
makes less pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get
impatient idiots honking at you because you didn't move off at
the green light "quick enough" for them due to the stupid engine
needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is
to kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray
one and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the
lights on. My latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if
I'm going to have to drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker
blue cars in traffic tend to blend into the pavement more than
other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for
pedestrians at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the
road.  :-p

In the US pavement is the road, not the sidewalk.

I know, just pointing out yet another silly Americanism.

Why?

[Adam H. Kerman]

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Ed Stasiak
In software terms, passively suggests the kill switch
will always be running in the background

LOTS of mechanics should be getting $500 under the table
for turning it off.

Its software, you need a hacker not a mechanic and if you
just "pull the plug" the vehicle won't function at all and
probably send a warning message to the police and your
insurance company.

Yeah you'd have to really know what you're doing and I seriously
doubt you could get a mechanic/techie at a dealership affiliated
with one of the big automakers to defeat a kill switch that was
standard equipment on vehicles.
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since
grown used to them).

Those are a useless gimmick. Supposedly a safety feature so your
car gets seen more easily, but the reality is that with almost
every car having them, they simply become background noise that
everyone overlooks anyway. Even worse in some high SUVs they can
be blinding to those of us in regular or low cars.
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so
that the manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and
makes less pollution.  :-\  What happens is that you get
impatient idiots honking at you because you didn't move off at
the green light "quick enough" for them due to the stupid engine
needing to restart first.

The rule-of-thumb I remember (from back when 'thumbs' were new) is
to kill the engine only for light-cycles of at least one minute.
Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray
one and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the
lights on. My latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if
I'm going to have to drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker
blue cars in traffic tend to blend into the pavement more than
other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for
pedestrians at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the
road.  :-p

In the US pavement is the road, not the sidewalk.

I know, just pointing out yet another silly Americanism.

Why?

Remember the David Bowie song "I'm Afraid of Americans"? "Your Name" is
Johnny.

[super70s]

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Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend
to blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road. :-p

Speaking of road surfaces around here they're doing that thing of
filling in cracks on highways with a lot of squiggly black lines in an
apparent attempt to put off repaving the highways. It looks ugly as hell
and makes it hard to tell when some foreign object is in the highway.

Another really annoying BS thing they did is put "ridges" on either side
of the highways that's apparently intended to wake some bonehead drivers
up when they start to fall asleep and veer off the highway.

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Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend
to blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road. :-p

Speaking of road surfaces around here they're doing that thing of
filling in cracks on highways with a lot of squiggly black lines in an
apparent attempt to put off repaving the highways. It looks ugly as hell
and makes it hard to tell when some foreign object is in the highway.

It costs less so it looks better in a given year’s budget. However it Hass
to be done far more often than doing it right so it’s actually more
expensive.

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Another really annoying BS thing they did is put "ridges" on either side
of the highways that's apparently intended to wake some bonehead drivers
up when they start to fall asleep and veer off the highway.

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Meanwhile though, I do think 'running lights' promotes awareness of you.

Especially with certain colored cars. Used to drive a silver gray one
and had people pull out in front of it. We always put the lights on. My
latest car is a little darker, and am wondering if I'm going to have to
drive it with lights on too. Gray or darker blue cars in traffic tend
to blend into the pavement more than other colors.

Also a good reason not to drive those little 2-ft.-high sportsters.
They tend to get *blended* into the pavement...

You guys shouldn't be driving on the "pavement" anyway (*English*
language definition: "a raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians
at the side of a road") ... you're meant to drive on the road. :-p

Speaking of road surfaces around here they're doing that thing of
filling in cracks on highways with a lot of squiggly black lines in an
apparent attempt to put off repaving the highways. It looks ugly as hell
and makes it hard to tell when some foreign object is in the highway.

It costs less so it looks better in a given year¹s budget. However it Hass
to be done far more often than doing it right so it¹s actually more
expensive.

Around here, nobody ever wants to spend money on anything, so they use
tar dribble to seal weathering cracks. It's supposed to prevent
potholes, and I guess it does to some extent.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by A Friend
Around here, nobody ever wants to spend money on anything, so they use
tar dribble to seal weathering cracks. It's supposed to prevent
potholes, and I guess it does to some extent.

On local roads, we don't use enough aggregate. It's ridiculous. So any
water under the pavement, which isn't usually getting there from surface
cracks but soil hydrology, is just going to find weak spots and form
potholes.

It's actually possible to build local roads for the long term that have
a lower cost over their total life than doing half-assed repairs but we
simply don't do that in this country.

[super70s]

Post by Your Name
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that the
manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution. :-\ What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough"
for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

I had a car one time, you'd step on the gas from a dead stop and it
would be 2-3 seconds before anything happened. I *hated* that and got
rid of it after a few months. One mechanic later told me it was the
first year the manufacturer had used an electronic throttle and they
might not have gotten the kinks out of it.

[Your Name]

Post by super70s

Post by Your Name
Even worse is the stupid start-stop engine silliness simply so that the
manufacturer can claim the car uses less petrol and makes less
pollution. :-\ What happens is that you get impatient idiots honking
at you because you didn't move off at the green light "quick enough"
for them due to the stupid engine needing to restart first.

I had a car one time, you'd step on the gas from a dead stop and it
would be 2-3 seconds before anything happened. I *hated* that and got
rid of it after a few months. One mechanic later told me it was the
first year the manufacturer had used an electronic throttle and they
might not have gotten the kinks out of it.

My mother's car has it, but delay isn't as long as that. It can be
turned off with a switch on the dashboard, but you have to remember to
do it everytime you start the car. :-\

Thankfully my car is too old for any of these silly new gimmicks.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by super70s
. . .
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Vehicles are equipped with daytime running lights because it's federal
law in Canada. Maybe some states require them as well.

It's actually known to save a few head-on collisions. This is why trucks and
buses drive during the day with lights on. I was a school bus driver in
my yout' and they made us turn drive with headlights on.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s
. . .
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Vehicles are equipped with daytime running lights because it's federal
law in Canada. Maybe some states require them as well.
It's actually known to save a few head-on collisions. This is why trucks and
buses drive during the day with lights on. I was a school bus driver in
my yout' and they made us turn drive with headlights on.

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[BTR1701]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s
. . .
I speak from experience, I once tried to get a dealership to unhook
automatic running lights on my car and they refused (I've since grown
used to them).

Vehicles are equipped with daytime running lights because it's federal
law in Canada. Maybe some states require them as well.
It's actually known to save a few head-on collisions. This is why trucks and
buses drive during the day with lights on. I was a school bus driver in
my yout' and they made us turn drive with headlights on.

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Also
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Until I'm directly contradicted by canon, I'm assuming that Marisa Tomei's
characters in MY COUSIN VINNY and SPIDER MAN are the same person, just
separated by many decades.