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Here we... here we... here we fucking go!
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Stephen Cole
2019-10-29 20:42:36 UTC
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General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!

Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
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Joe
2019-10-29 21:20:00 UTC
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On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
--
Joe
Bob Eager
2019-10-29 21:27:05 UTC
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Post by Joe
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt
to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these
groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before
Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
He refused to allow it because previous attempts allowed a change of
date. And possibly a no-deal Brexit. This is locked down.
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Chang
2019-10-29 23:28:44 UTC
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Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
The obvious question is why has he changed his mind now ?

Is it just because now that it only requires a simple majority
and not a 2/3 majority, he might as well appear to support
it in the hope that the might see less of an electoral disaster
for Labour or he's decided that he might as well just retire.
Peeler
2019-10-29 23:50:17 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:28:44 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
The obvious question
The obvious fact is that it's ALL absolutely NONE of yours, you abnormal
nym-shifting obnoxious senile Ozzie troll!
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Vidcapper
2019-10-30 07:02:14 UTC
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Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Roger Hayter
2019-10-30 10:03:14 UTC
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Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris's *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
I have no doubt that that would be the best result for Labour
identifying career politicians. It would not, however, be the best
result for the country.
--
Roger Hayter
Vidcapper
2019-10-31 07:29:54 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris's *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
I have no doubt that that would be the best result for Labour
identifying career politicians. It would not, however, be the best
result for the country.
IMO better for the country than a Corbyn-led Labour gov't though!
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Incubus
2019-10-30 11:46:48 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
The Todal
2019-10-30 13:07:19 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and canvassing.
It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about policy.
Incubus
2019-10-30 13:11:33 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and canvassing.
It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about policy.
I know what it does but more importantly, I know what it is: a personality cult
set up around Jeremy Corbyn. With him gone, not everyone might be on board.
The Todal
2019-10-30 13:16:11 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and canvassing.
It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about policy.
I know what it does but more importantly, I know what it is: a personality cult
set up around Jeremy Corbyn. With him gone, not everyone might be on board.
I disagree with the "personality cult" allegation. To praise your leader
is what all parties do, not least the Tories. They will be boasting that
Boris is the man of the moment, the visionary leader who can take us to
the promised land. And Labour will do the same for Corbyn. If a new
leader is eventually appointed, which is inevitable if Labour does badly
in the next election, Momentum will find nice complimentary things to
say about him.
Tufnell Park
2019-10-31 15:52:32 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc.  The question is, what will happen to
Momentum.  Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and canvassing.
It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about policy.
Momentum is a rebranded version of Militant Tendency which was kicked
out of Labour by Neil Kinnock.
The Todal
2019-10-31 16:35:36 UTC
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Post by Tufnell Park
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc.  The question is, what will happen to
Momentum.  Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and canvassing.
It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about policy.
Momentum is a rebranded version of Militant Tendency which was kicked
out of Labour by Neil Kinnock.
Thus speaks the fuckwit.

I'm sure you're parroting something that another ignoramus has told you,
but it's not more true for being repeated by another nitwit.

Momentum has no similarity whatsoever with Militant Tendency.
Tufnell Park
2019-10-31 19:16:34 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc.  The question is, what will happen to
Momentum.  Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and
canvassing. It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about
policy.
Momentum is a rebranded version of Militant Tendency which was kicked
out of Labour by Neil Kinnock.
Thus speaks the fuckwit.
I'm sure you're parroting something that another ignoramus has told you,
but it's not more true for being repeated by another nitwit.
Momentum has no similarity whatsoever with Militant Tendency.
See here!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/is-momentum-a-return-to-the-old-days-of-labour-s-militant-tendency-a6782621.html
The Todal
2019-10-31 20:14:34 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc.  The question is, what will happen to
Momentum.  Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and
canvassing. It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about
policy.
Momentum is a rebranded version of Militant Tendency which was kicked
out of Labour by Neil Kinnock.
Thus speaks the fuckwit.
I'm sure you're parroting something that another ignoramus has told
you, but it's not more true for being repeated by another nitwit.
Momentum has no similarity whatsoever with Militant Tendency.
See here!
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/is-momentum-a-return-to-the-old-days-of-labour-s-militant-tendency-a6782621.html
An article from 2015 when journalists could still argue that Momentum
was an unknown quantity.
Chang
2019-10-31 20:47:28 UTC
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Post by Tufnell Park
Post by The Todal
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
Why would Momentum disband? I don't suppose you know what Momentum
actually does. It arranges campaigning and leafletting and canvassing.
It will easily adapt to any Conference resolutions about policy.
Momentum is a rebranded version of Militant Tendency which was kicked
out of Labour by Neil Kinnock.
Thus speaks the fuckwit.
I'm sure you're parroting something that another ignoramus has told you,
but it's not more true for being repeated by another nitwit.
Momentum has no similarity whatsoever with Militant Tendency.
See here!
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/is-momentum-a-return-to-the-old-days-of-labour-s-militant-tendency-a6782621.html
Just because someone claims something....

See here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_(Trotskyist_group)

It isnt even the same people involved.
Peeler
2019-10-31 20:51:08 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 07:47:28 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
Just because someone claims something....
Nobody consistently keeps claiming as much bullshit as you do, you
nym-shifting, trolling, clinically insane, senile pest!
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-01 07:41:58 UTC
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Post by Chang
Just because someone claims something....
See here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_(Trotskyist_group)
It isnt even the same people involved.
Thats cos te old trots all died.
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Vidcapper
2019-11-01 07:05:55 UTC
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Post by The Todal
I'm sure you're parroting something that another ignoramus has told you,
but it's not more true for being repeated by another nitwit.
Momentum has no similarity whatsoever with Militant Tendency.
Yeah, right - and Hitler had no similarity to Stalin...
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-01 07:41:11 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Momentum has no similarity whatsoever with Militant Tendency.
You get the award for the first Big Lie of the day.
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"Saki"
Chang
2019-10-30 18:43:55 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
They never have in the past, even when the rest of
the world has has enough of a clue to give up on
Marxism and the Trots, even China and Russia.

Same mentality as Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam basically.
Peeler
2019-10-30 19:47:30 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:43:55 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the trolling senile Ozzie cretin's latest trollshit>
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Vidcapper
2019-10-31 07:30:46 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
They can parade another Tony Blair lite with the usual catchphrases like
"lessons have been learned" etc. The question is, what will happen to
Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
It will wither away like Militant Tendency.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Joe
2019-10-31 08:55:27 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:30:46 +0000
Post by Incubus
The question is, what will
happen to Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
It will wither away like Militant Tendency.
It hasn't withered away, any more than the Socialist Workers' Party
before it, or the Communist Party of Great Britain before that. It just
changes name periodically. There are always new useful idiots
graduating, more now than ever.
--
Joe
Rod Speed
2019-10-31 09:05:47 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:30:46 +0000
Post by Incubus
The question is, what will
happen to Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
It will wither away like Militant Tendency.
It hasn't withered away, any more than the Socialist Workers' Party
before it, or the Communist Party of Great Britain before that.
Both those did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(UK)#Downturn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Great_Britain#1960s_and_1970s:_decline_of_the_party
Post by Joe
It just changes name periodically.
Fraid not.
Post by Joe
There are always new useful idiots graduating,
Yes.
Post by Joe
more now than ever.
Nope.
Peeler
2019-10-31 09:14:37 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:05:47 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Nope.
Oh, fuck off, you nym-shifting, trolling senile Ozzie cretin!
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abelard
2019-11-02 16:48:42 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:30:46 +0000
Post by Incubus
The question is, what will
happen to Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
It will wither away like Militant Tendency.
It hasn't withered away, any more than the Socialist Workers' Party
before it, or the Communist Party of Great Britain before that. It just
changes name periodically. There are always new useful idiots
graduating, more now than ever.
here is mandelbrot's grand daddy fighting the same pr
battle in 1933
https://www.abelard.org/socialism/communist_solar_system.php

all that ever changes is the labels on the tin
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Grik-basstardo®™
2019-11-02 17:36:22 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:30:46 +0000
Post by Incubus
The question is, what will
happen to Momentum. Will it disband or move with the times?
It will wither away like Militant Tendency.
It hasn't withered away, any more than the Socialist Workers' Party
before it, or the Communist Party of Great Britain before that. It just
changes name periodically. There are always new useful idiots
graduating, more now than ever.
here is mandelbrot's grand daddy fighting the same pr
battle in 1933
https://www.abelard.org/socialism/communist_solar_system.php
all that ever changes is the labels on the tin
And the jew Mandelsohn carries on the Bolshevik tradition while
wearing ermine robes in the House of Lords.
Grik-basstardo®™
2019-10-31 16:01:00 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Joe
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
If Corbyn had been as sure as you are, the election would have been and
gone by now. He didn't refuse to allow it because he thought he had any
chance of winning. Is that not obvious?
Ironically, the best long-term result for Labour would be a heavy
defeat, as it would allow them to purge Corbyn & his cronies, and move
back to the more electable centre...
Or better still, disappear into obscurity along with the trade unions.
Grik-basstardo®™
2019-10-29 21:21:12 UTC
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On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Labour rout, Corbyn loses his seat and gets recalled to Moscow!
abelard
2019-10-29 22:15:39 UTC
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On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
the point is not to win a battle, it is to win the war....
in chess it is known as a sacrifice...

as for agent cob, he's been offered the post of deputy dictator
of panama...or is it bolivia
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Vidcapper
2019-10-30 06:59:30 UTC
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Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
the point is not to win a battle, it is to win the war....
in chess it is known as a sacrifice...
as for agent cob, he's been offered the post of deputy dictator
of panama...or is it bolivia
Or Venezula? :P
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abelard
2019-10-31 12:18:32 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On 29 Oct 2019 20:42:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
the point is not to win a battle, it is to win the war....
in chess it is known as a sacrifice...
as for agent cob, he's been offered the post of deputy dictator
of panama...or is it bolivia
Or Venezula? :P
most of the work in destroying venezuela has already been done...

he needs more of a challenge.
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Peeler
2019-10-29 23:18:11 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:17:12 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the nym-shifting, trolling, senile Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

...and much better air in here, again!
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Wor Kevin Keegan
2019-10-29 23:20:20 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth*
attempt to call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in
these groups recently insisting that BoJo would never call an
election before Brexit was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn
in Number 10! What a Christmas present!
You're as utterly deluded as Corbyn is.
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Rod Speed
2019-10-29 23:52:53 UTC
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Post by Wor Kevin Keegan
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit
was concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
You're as utterly deluded as Corbyn is.
Worst actually. Even Corbyn doesn’t believe that he will be PM by Xmas.
Peeler
2019-10-29 23:59:50 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:52:53 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

Changed nym yet again in this thread, senile Rodent, you abnormal senile
Ozzie pest?
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Fredxx
2019-10-30 01:14:18 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
I do think he could have played things very differently.

He could certainly have resigned before the 19th October so he didn't
have to play dead in a ditch.
Vidcapper
2019-10-30 06:57:53 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
What poll did *you* read? :p
--
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Gary Walker
2019-10-30 08:49:43 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Poor ol' Coley!
Stephen Cole
2019-10-30 08:52:39 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Farage may be a lazy, despicable, racist twat - but he's also intelligent
enough to know that opposing the selfservatives in a GE will not help him
deliver Brexshit for his obnoxious camp-followers, in any way, shape or form.
Thing is, Farage wants no deal rather than BoJo’s much softer Brexit. The
only way I see BXP and Cons entering a pact is if Boris makes no deal a
manifesto pledge, and that ain’t gonna happen. I think Farage’s interests
are best served by running candidates in every seat, collecting a few
million votes nationally and hoping to get one or two MPs out of it. Even
if BXP don’t win a single seat (UKIP only got one in 2015 with 4 million
votes nationally), if he can spend 6 weeks spouting drivel on the telly
then it’s still a big win for him. BXP might cost the Tories enough votes
to let Labour drive through the middle in a few seats, which might put
Corbyn in power and effectively end Brexit, but I don’t think Farage’d be
that bothered, he’d just keep trolling his anti-EU schtick and making a
fortune while doing it, same as he has for the last 20+ years.
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Chang
2019-10-30 18:03:44 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Farage may be a lazy, despicable, racist twat - but he's also intelligent
enough to know that opposing the selfservatives in a GE will not help him
deliver Brexshit for his obnoxious camp-followers, in any way, shape or form.
Thing is, Farage wants no deal rather than BoJo’s much softer Brexit.
The only way I see BXP and Cons entering a pact is if Boris makes
no deal a manifesto pledge, and that ain’t gonna happen. I think
Farage’s interests are best served by running candidates in every seat,
He clearly has enough of a clue to know otherwise even if you don’t.
Post by Stephen Cole
collecting a few million votes nationally
That’s not what gets one of your MPs a seat.
Post by Stephen Cole
and hoping to get one or two MPs out of it.
Very unlikely to happen given that he didn’t manage that when
there was real doubt about some form of brexit happening.

No point in splitting the leaver vote in a particular
constituency so a remainer MP gets elected. Farage
can work that out even if you can't manage it.
Post by Stephen Cole
Even if BXP don’t win a single seat (UKIP only
got one in 2015 with 4 million votes nationally),
And that seat would have elected that person
regardless of which party he was currently part of.
Post by Stephen Cole
if he can spend 6 weeks spouting drivel on the telly
He can still do that when being selective about which marginal
seat BXP stands a candidate in and that wouldn’t risk splitting
the leave vote and getting a remainer MP elected.
Post by Stephen Cole
then it’s still a big win for him.
Even bigger win for him if fewer remainers get to
be MPs because Farage hasn’t split the leave vote.
Post by Stephen Cole
BXP might cost the Tories enough votes to let
Labour drive through the middle in a few seats,
Which is why Farage isnt actually stupid enough
to have a BXP candidate in every seat,
Post by Stephen Cole
which might put Corbyn in power
No chance of that, you watch,
Post by Stephen Cole
and effectively end Brexit,
Its very far from clear that that would happen
even if Corbyn did get to the MP somehow.
In theory it is possible if there really are lots
more remainer voters now, but far from clear
that a coalition govt led by Corbyn would
actually cancel Brexit and withdraw Article 50.
Post by Stephen Cole
but I don’t think Farage’d be that bothered,
Of course he would, he wants a no deal brexit.
Post by Stephen Cole
he’d just keep trolling his anti-EU schtick and making a
fortune while doing it, same as he has for the last 20+ years.
Must be why he quit UKIP when it looked like there
was going to be a brexit.
Peeler
2019-10-30 18:39:54 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:03:44 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH senile trolling asshole's latest trollshit>

Isn't it time already you changed your newest nym again, you clinically
insane nym-shifting senile Ozzietard? Looks like many people quickly
killfiled your latest ridiculous handle, you abnormal 85-year-old trolling
senile bastard! LOL
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and criminality is inherited after all?"
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Brian Gaff (Sofa)
2019-10-30 09:06:23 UTC
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Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote. If they
do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way it goes since
nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
This way its just rerunning history.

What exactly is Labours stance? I'm totally confused. LIb dems want in, cons
want out, at least those who are still cons and the fringe parties are as
split. The inability to decide is obvious now so let us say what should be
done, then make them all redundant and elect a new lot in the new year!

Brian
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General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris's *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
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Keema's Nan
2019-10-30 09:32:16 UTC
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Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote. If they
do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way it goes since
nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
This way its just rerunning history.
What exactly is Labours stance?
Good question, and one which Corbyn will now have to go public with;
something he has been extra reluctant to do over the last year or so.
I'm totally confused. LIb dems want in, cons
want out, at least those who are still cons and the fringe parties are as
split. The inability to decide is obvious now so let us say what should be
done, then make them all redundant and elect a new lot in the new year!
Brian
The Natural Philosopher
2019-10-30 09:41:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Keema's Nan
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote. If they
do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way it goes since
nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
This way its just rerunning history.
What exactly is Labours stance?
Good question, and one which Corbyn will now have to go public with;
something he has been extra reluctant to do over the last year or so.
On the one hand, the EU is the nearest thing to a communist state since
the collapse of the USSR,. on the other hand it wont let him nationalise
stuff.

On the one hand half his electorate are social justice remainers and
gimme-grants, on the other his traditional power base are conservative
white and working class leavers.
Post by Keema's Nan
I'm totally confused. LIb dems want in, cons
want out, at least those who are still cons and the fringe parties are as
split. The inability to decide is obvious now so let us say what should be
done, then make them all redundant and elect a new lot in the new year!
Brian
Only two parties are unequivocal. TBP - leave prefreably with no deal,
and liberal democrats - stay.

The rest are simply trying to manoeuvre to gain political advantage with
whatever the electorate seems likely to support.

No one knows what they are voting for with labour or Tory
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
Chang
2019-10-30 18:25:58 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Keema's Nan
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote. If they
do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way it goes since
nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
This way its just rerunning history.
What exactly is Labours stance?
Good question, and one which Corbyn will now have to go public with;
something he has been extra reluctant to do over the last year or so.
On the one hand, the EU is the nearest thing to a communist state since
the collapse of the USSR,. on the other hand it wont let him nationalise
stuff.
On the one hand half his electorate are social justice remainers and
gimme-grants, on the other his traditional power base are conservative
white and working class leavers.
Post by Keema's Nan
I'm totally confused. LIb dems want in, cons
want out, at least those who are still cons and the fringe parties are as
split. The inability to decide is obvious now so let us say what should be
done, then make them all redundant and elect a new lot in the new year!
Brian
Only two parties are unequivocal. TBP - leave prefreably with no deal, and
liberal democrats - stay.
SNP is unequivocal stay too, and more seats than TBP
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The rest are simply trying to manoeuvre to gain political advantage with
whatever the electorate seems likely to support.
No one knows what they are voting for with labour or Tory
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
Peeler
2019-10-30 18:40:41 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:25:58 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
SNP is unequivocal stay too, and more seats than TBP
Neither the SNP nor the TNP are ANY of yours, senile Ozzie cretin!
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2019-11-04 18:48:50 UTC
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Post by Peeler
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:25:58 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
SNP is unequivocal stay too, and more seats than TBP
Neither the SNP nor the TNP are ANY of yours, senile Ozzie cretin!
No doubt about it!


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Roger Hayter
2019-10-30 10:13:23 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote. If they
do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way it goes since
nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
This way its just rerunning history.
What exactly is Labours stance?
Good question, and one which Corbyn will now have to go public with;
something he has been extra reluctant to do over the last year or so.
Labour policy is to renegotiate the deal to include workers rights and
free trade (delightfully ambiguous on free movement though) and then
hold a referendum on it. They haven't decided what vote to recommend
in the referendum, but at this stage that seems unimportant, because
people will decide for themselves.
Post by Keema's Nan
I'm totally confused. LIb dems want in, cons
want out, at least those who are still cons and the fringe parties are as
split. The inability to decide is obvious now so let us say what should be
done, then make them all redundant and elect a new lot in the new year!
Brian
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Incubus
2019-10-30 11:54:33 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect turn
out.

Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-10-30 12:18:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect turn
out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.
Those hoping for another referendum forget that the government
propaganda this time around will have a much different character. I
expect that there will also be two new pro-leave arguments: 'We told you
that you would be asked to vote again until you gave the correct
answer,' and 'They would put you through that anguish all over again to
get the result they wanted.' I imagine that the pro-remain arguments
would be the same, since we're still hearing them. Like last time, it
wouldn't be pretty.
Incubus
2019-10-30 12:23:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect turn
out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.
Those hoping for another referendum forget that the government
propaganda this time around will have a much different character. I
expect that there will also be two new pro-leave arguments: 'We told you
that you would be asked to vote again until you gave the correct
answer,' and 'They would put you through that anguish all over again to
get the result they wanted.' I imagine that the pro-remain arguments
would be the same, since we're still hearing them. Like last time, it
wouldn't be pretty.
That much is true but up against, for example, a referendum designed to split
the Leave vote I don't know how much benefit it would bring.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-10-30 12:28:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Incubus
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect turn
out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.
Those hoping for another referendum forget that the government
propaganda this time around will have a much different character. I
expect that there will also be two new pro-leave arguments: 'We told you
that you would be asked to vote again until you gave the correct
answer,' and 'They would put you through that anguish all over again to
get the result they wanted.' I imagine that the pro-remain arguments
would be the same, since we're still hearing them. Like last time, it
wouldn't be pretty.
That much is true but up against, for example, a referendum designed to split
the Leave vote I don't know how much benefit it would bring.
I can't believe that would happen. It would surely plunge the country
into chaos. ISTM that we're not far off now - that would just be the
last straw.
Incubus
2019-10-30 12:34:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Post by Incubus
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect turn
out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.
Those hoping for another referendum forget that the government
propaganda this time around will have a much different character. I
expect that there will also be two new pro-leave arguments: 'We told you
that you would be asked to vote again until you gave the correct
answer,' and 'They would put you through that anguish all over again to
get the result they wanted.' I imagine that the pro-remain arguments
would be the same, since we're still hearing them. Like last time, it
wouldn't be pretty.
That much is true but up against, for example, a referendum designed to split
the Leave vote I don't know how much benefit it would bring.
I can't believe that would happen. It would surely plunge the country
into chaos. ISTM that we're not far off now - that would just be the
last straw.
I think something along those lines could easily happen. There was talk of
opening the General Election up to people over sixteen and EU nationals living
here. It isn't possible in the time frame but you can guarantee they'll try
that in any future referendum. The whole thing is incredibly transparent.
Joe
2019-10-30 13:49:21 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:34:30 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Incubus
I think something along those lines could easily happen. There was
talk of opening the General Election up to people over sixteen and EU
nationals living here. It isn't possible in the time frame but you
can guarantee they'll try that in any future referendum. The whole
thing is incredibly transparent.
In the USA, it's got to the point where the 'Democrats' want illegal
immigrants to be allowed to vote and absolutely forbid any kind of
voter ID. I wonder why...
--
Joe
Incubus
2019-10-30 13:59:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Joe
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:34:30 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Incubus
I think something along those lines could easily happen. There was
talk of opening the General Election up to people over sixteen and EU
nationals living here. It isn't possible in the time frame but you
can guarantee they'll try that in any future referendum. The whole
thing is incredibly transparent.
In the USA, it's got to the point where the 'Democrats' want illegal
immigrants to be allowed to vote and absolutely forbid any kind of
voter ID. I wonder why...
The same thing is happening here. The Conservatives want voter ID and Labour
are saying it is racist despite demanding far more stringent ID for people to
attend their conferences.
Grik-basstardo®™
2019-10-30 12:56:19 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect turn
out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
Peeler
2019-10-30 13:07:36 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:56:19 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grik-basstardo®™", farted
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
That's because you are a psychopath! BTW, why are the Brexiteers (you aren't
one, you are just a ridiculous serb troll and "Brit" wannabe) so SHIT-SCARED
of a second referendum?
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"That [referring to the term "consenting adults"] is just an outdated legal
construct. Are you telling me that a 13-year old who spends 15 hours a day
on Facebook is incapable of consent?"
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Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-30 13:41:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current
parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in
the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
--
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Grik-basstardo®™
2019-10-30 13:46:58 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:41:20 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current
parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in
the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
Because it would be a pointless waste of time and money...Parliament
has already demonstrated that referendum results mean nothing.
Peeler
2019-10-30 16:46:57 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:46:58 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grik-basstardo®™", farted
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
Because it would be a pointless waste of time and money...Parliament
has already demonstrated that referendum results mean nothing.
Psychotic BULLSHIT! LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
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Michael Ejercito
2019-11-04 18:48:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peeler
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:46:58 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grik-basstardo®™", farted
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
Because it would be a pointless waste of time and money...Parliament
has already demonstrated that referendum results mean nothing.
Psychotic BULLSHIT! LOL
That is all the mangina is capable of.

Jack Marshall writes about a recent poll regarding impeachment.

http://ethicsalarms.com/2019/10/29/wait-what-somebodys-incompetent-here-and-i-dont-think-its-me/

Wait, WHAT? Somebody’s Incompetent Here, And I Don’t Think It’s Me.
OCTOBER 29, 2019 / JACK MARSHALL


According to Breitbart, A USA TODAY/Suffolk poll found that only 36 % of
those polled support the House voting to impeach the President, with 22%
telling pollsters that Congress should continue with its impeachment
inquiry but should not vote to remove him. Thirty-seven per cent say
lawmakers should end their impeachment probe, while four percent remain
undecided on the matter.

Regarding a Senate impeachment trial, however, 46 % are in favor of
convicting President Trump and 47% are against. The pollsters used
telephone to contact 1,000 registered voters and was taken between October
23rd and 26th.

How is this possible? Saying that you don’t want the House to impeach but
want the Senate to convict is like saying you don’t want someone arrested
and charged with a crime, but you want him to be convicted and jailed. It
makes no sense.

I suspect that the incompetents here are 1) the voters polled, and 2) the
pollsters, who don’t know how to poll people on a topic that they don’t
comprehend. The Washington Examiner says that the polls reveals that the
public’s views on impeachment are “complex.” Right. Newspapers shouldn’t use
deceptive euphemisms. You might as well write that sixth graders’ views on
string theory are complex.

The public’s views on impeachment aren’t complex; they are hopelessly
confused, uninformed, emotion-driven and worthless. The vast majority don’t
know the history of impeachment. Most think Nixon was impeached. Most couldn’t
tell you who Andrew Johnson was, much less explain why he was impeached.
Most think that Bill Clinton was impeached because he was fooling around
with Monica Lewinsky. Most don’t know what is impeachable conduct, whether
conduct out of office is relevant to the issue, or whether the House can
impeach a President for tweeting too much. They have no idea. None.

In fact, I am pretty sure the Democrats are counting on the public’s
ignorance just as the news media is betting that it can mold the current
confusion into an anti-Trump majority. They may have better luck herding
cats.
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Chang
2019-10-30 19:02:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current
parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in
the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
Because it would likely be 3 choice, no deal brexit, Boris's latest brexit
and remain which would split the leave vote and likely see a majority
for remain with the split leave vote. And might well even require a
2/3 vote to leave too.
Peeler
2019-10-30 19:49:24 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:02:47 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the trolling senile Ozzie pest's latest trollshit>

Could it be your latest nym was already killfiled by everyone, senile
Rodent? Seems your new nyms are getting killfiled faster and faster. I
wonder why! LMAO
--
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"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
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Ian Jackson
2019-11-15 15:36:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current
parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in
the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I TOLD
you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I wonder why?
--
Ian
Incubus
2019-11-15 15:45:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current
parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in
the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I TOLD
you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I wonder why?
Absolute rot. If Remain had won, you would not in a million years have
welcomed a second referendum. People asking for a second referendum are making
an absolutely mockery of democracy, which is at least consistent with the EU.
pamela
2019-11-15 15:56:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Incubus
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will
have a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the
current parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour
remaining in the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first
one was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I
TOLD you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I
wonder why?
Absolute rot. If Remain had won, you would not in a million years have
welcomed a second referendum. People asking for a second referendum are
making an absolutely mockery of democracy, which is at least consistent
with the EU.
Brexiteers are afraid of a second referendum because they know they never
had true democractic support.

The Russians, Arron Banks, illegal overspending and lying Boris are the
things which made a mockery of democracy.

Strange how Boris doesn't now publish the report on Russian interference
in British politics. I guess he needs Russian help once again. It worked
for Trump.
Norman Wells
2019-11-15 15:59:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by pamela
Brexiteers are afraid of a second referendum because they know they never
had true democractic support.
Only according to your unique definition of true democratic support.
Ian Jackson
2019-11-15 16:06:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will
have a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way the
current parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour
remaining in the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first
one was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I
TOLD you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I
wonder why?
Absolute rot. If Remain had won, you would not in a million years have
welcomed a second referendum. People asking for a second referendum are
making an absolutely mockery of democracy, which is at least consistent
with the EU.
Brexiteers are afraid of a second referendum because they know they never
had true democractic support.
The Russians, Arron Banks, illegal overspending and lying Boris are the
things which made a mockery of democracy.
Strange how Boris doesn't now publish the report on Russian interference
in British politics. I guess he needs Russian help once again. It worked
for Trump.
As James o'Brien said this morning, it's strange that the main
opposition isn't raising a rumpus about Downing Street's unprecedented
and inexplicable decision not to publish the report.

Could it be that there are some in the Labour Party who don't want to
chance it being revealed that Russian interference did help in obtaining
a Leave result?
--
Ian
pamela
2019-11-15 16:16:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will
have a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing
for another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way
the current parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to
favour remaining in the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first
one was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one -
given they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance
to be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There -
I TOLD you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I
wonder why?
Absolute rot. If Remain had won, you would not in a million years
have welcomed a second referendum. People asking for a second
referendum are making an absolutely mockery of democracy, which is at
least consistent with the EU.
Brexiteers are afraid of a second referendum because they know they
never had true democractic support.
The Russians, Arron Banks, illegal overspending and lying Boris are the
things which made a mockery of democracy.
Strange how Boris doesn't now publish the report on Russian interference
in British politics. I guess he needs Russian help once again. It
worked for Trump.
As James o'Brien said this morning, it's strange that the main
opposition isn't raising a rumpus about Downing Street's unprecedented
and inexplicable decision not to publish the report.
Could it be that there are some in the Labour Party who don't want to
chance it being revealed that Russian interference did help in obtaining
a Leave result?
There's something rotten in our State, as they say.
JNugent
2019-11-15 16:26:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by pamela
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will
have a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing
for another as a means of reversing the result. There's no way
the current parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to
favour remaining in the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first
one was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one -
given they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance
to be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There -
I TOLD you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I
wonder why?
Absolute rot. If Remain had won, you would not in a million years
have welcomed a second referendum. People asking for a second
referendum are making an absolutely mockery of democracy, which is at
least consistent with the EU.
Brexiteers are afraid of a second referendum because they know they
never had true democractic support.
The Russians, Arron Banks, illegal overspending and lying Boris are the
things which made a mockery of democracy.
Strange how Boris doesn't now publish the report on Russian interference
in British politics. I guess he needs Russian help once again. It
worked for Trump.
As James o'Brien said this morning, it's strange that the main
opposition isn't raising a rumpus about Downing Street's unprecedented
and inexplicable decision not to publish the report.
Could it be that there are some in the Labour Party who don't want to
chance it being revealed that Russian interference did help in obtaining
a Leave result?
There's something rotten in our State, as they say.
Who says that? I've never heard anyone say it.

Norman Wells
2019-11-15 15:51:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ian Jackson
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I TOLD
you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I wonder why?
Why should winners agree to a replay? The first one wasn't a draw.
JNugent
2019-11-15 16:15:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Ian Jackson
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I TOLD
you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I wonder why?
Why should winners agree to a replay? The first one wasn't a draw.
There was no "winner".
In that case, you didn't lose. So what's the problem?
JNugent
2019-11-15 16:14:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Unfortunately, its close to my  birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could
affect turn out.
Why haven't I been invited?
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face  in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote.  MPs are only pushing for
another as a means of reversing the result.  There's no way the current
parliament wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in
the EU.
I've never understood why Remoaners think the result of a second
referendum would be honoured any more than the result of the first one
was.
And I've never understood why leavers seem so much against one - given
they keep on saying they are a majority.
If I was a Brexiteer (which, thank The Lord, I'm not sir), when the
result of Ref 2 was announced I would absolutely welcome the chance to
be able to rub the Remainers' noses in the dirt, and say "There - I TOLD
you so!" Strangely, no Brexiteers seem to want to do this. I wonder why?
Do tFA Cup-winners offer the runners-up the best of three?
Bob Eager
2019-10-30 13:57:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Incubus
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote.
A corrupt vote trailed as advisory so that it only needed a simple
majority for a major constitutional change. And then promised as a
binding one later.
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Incubus
2019-10-30 14:14:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Eager
Post by Incubus
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote.
A corrupt vote
It's funny how everything is corrupt these days if they don't go how Leftists
wanted them to go.
Post by Bob Eager
trailed as advisory so that it only needed a simple
majority for a major constitutional change.
That's how democracy works - with simple majorities. Sorry you don't like it.
The Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties weren't even ratified with a referendum at
all.
Post by Bob Eager
And then promised as a
binding one later.
The government promised it would respect the result all along.
Ophelia
2019-10-30 16:36:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out,
I didn't realise you had so many friends that your birthday could affect
turn
out.

Why haven't I been invited?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote.
Newsflash: we already had a people's vote. MPs are only pushing for another
as
a means of reversing the result. There's no way the current parliament
wouldn't engineer a second referendum to favour remaining in the EU.

==

+1
Fredxx
2019-10-31 22:55:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have
a low turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with
still no majority. The answer is staring them in the face in a
peoples vote.
Have you not already noticed the once in a generation peoples vote in 2016?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
If they do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way
it goes since nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
Quite, will it be best of 3?
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
This way its just rerunning history.
What exactly is Labours stance? I'm totally confused.
You shouldn't be. Corbyn is sitting on the fence and wants a further
delay to another referendum.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
LIb dems want in,
That is what differentiates the LibDems from Labour. They are the only
remain party.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
cons want out, at least those who are still cons and the fringe
parties are as split. The inability to decide is obvious now so let
us say what should be done, then make them all redundant and elect a
new lot in the new year!
All parties have their position. The issue is there is no majority in
parliament for any one of them. Watch this space in December.
Joe
2019-11-01 08:52:50 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:55:47 +0000
Post by Fredxx
That is what differentiates the LibDems from Labour. They are the only
remain party.
They are the only *overt* remain party.
--
Joe
Stephen Cole
2019-11-01 09:23:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Unfortunately, its close to my birthday, and Christmas so will have a low
turn out, and that means he will get back in, but possibly with still no
majority.
It’s difficult to see how either the Tories or Labour build a majority, but
it is clearer to see how Labour could end up with most seats and form a
minority government. It wouldn’t be an ideal situation but the upshot is
that there would be other parties that Corbyn and Labour could make
compromises with to get legislation through (particularly Brexit-related
legislation, such as a second referendum) whereas the Tories have no other
parties they can work with to help push a Tory hard Brexit through.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
The answer is staring them in the face in a peoples vote. If they
do that properly then you will have to accept whichever way it goes since
nobody can be ignorant of the choices any more.
This way its just rerunning history.
What exactly is Labours stance? I'm totally confused.
Labour’s stance is; form Labour government, negotiate Labour deal, put that
to a referendum vs Remain. It’s very clear and the only sane option.
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Fredxx
2019-11-01 11:14:14 UTC
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On 01/11/2019 09:23:09, Stephen Cole wrote:

<snip>
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
What exactly is Labours stance? I'm totally confused.
Labour’s stance is; form Labour government, negotiate Labour deal, put that
to a referendum vs Remain. It’s very clear and the only sane option.
To a remainer, maybe.

What would you do if The Brexit Party and many politicians say don't
vote, and then anyone who doesn't vote will by default be in favour of a
no deal Brexit. It's similar to be current argument by loser remainers
in that only 37% of the electorate voted for leave, saying 63% didn't.

I certainly wouldn't be voting in a referendum with those choices if
only out of principle and to maintain the status quo.
The Todal
2019-10-30 09:42:50 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
I don't think a landslide,but I think Labour will have the largest
number of MPs in another hung parliament.

Whichever party wins, it certainly won't solve the Brexit problem.
Another intake of new MPs, worried about the effect of Brexit on the
economy and on jobs, certainly won't obediently follow the diktats of
their party leader.

The propaganda war during this forthcoming election will be formidable.
Nigel Farage will do Labour's work for it. He and his loyal supporters
will be saying that Boris is a liar, a traitor to the Brexit cause, a
man who will sell the country down the river simply to cement himself in
place as Tory leader.

Boris may appeal to many voters but they only need to be reminded of his
record in power. His vanity projects as Mayor, his personal and
political infidelity. His inability to win votes in Parliament. Lurking
in the background, many Tory rivals for the leadership of the Tory party
are waiting for their chance to replace him because he turned out not to
be the big hitter they hoped for, merely a damp squib.
Gary Walker
2019-10-30 13:14:06 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Boris may appeal to many voters but they only need to be reminded of his
record in power. His vanity projects as Mayor, his personal and
political infidelity. His inability to win votes in Parliament. Lurking
in the background, many Tory rivals for the leadership of the Tory party
are waiting for their chance to replace him because he turned out not to
be the big hitter they hoped for, merely a damp squib.
The voters will be influenced by these factors, will they? Tell us, what sort of reputation for honesty and integrity did Blair have going into his third election?
Dean Jackson
2019-10-30 20:43:26 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris’s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-31 11:09:56 UTC
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Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris‘s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
--
*Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool*

Dave Plowman ***@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Incubus
2019-10-31 11:19:25 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris‘s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
I got the same leaflet. If only the paper were as soft as the contents
whereupon I could at least put it to use as toilet paper.

I found it amusing that it seeks to discredit previous Conservative governments
(one of which they propped up) yet relies upon a quote from John Major
attacking Boris Johnson. The Lib Dems never have been consistent.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-10-31 11:44:49 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris‘s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
I got the same leaflet. If only the paper were as soft as the contents
whereupon I could at least put it to use as toilet paper.
I found it amusing that it seeks to discredit previous Conservative governments
(one of which they propped up) yet relies upon a quote from John Major
attacking Boris Johnson. The Lib Dems never have been consistent.
Maybe Major was really working for them all the time?
Incubus
2019-10-31 11:51:57 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris‘s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
I got the same leaflet. If only the paper were as soft as the contents
whereupon I could at least put it to use as toilet paper.
I found it amusing that it seeks to discredit previous Conservative governments
(one of which they propped up) yet relies upon a quote from John Major
attacking Boris Johnson. The Lib Dems never have been consistent.
Maybe Major was really working for them all the time?
He's certainly on the same side!
Gary Walker
2019-10-31 11:39:20 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris壮 *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
She should tell her PPCs "Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government! "

What a joke the LibDems are.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-10-31 11:45:17 UTC
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Post by Gary Walker
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris壮 *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
She should tell her PPCs "Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government! "
What a joke the LibDems are.
Pillow-biters.
Norman Wells
2019-10-31 14:10:02 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris‘s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
Excellent use of the passive 'is tipped' there. Use that and you don't
have to name the fool. Indeed, the fool doesn't even have to exist.

It's almost as disingenuous as a politician saying 'what I'm hearing on
the doorstep'. Completely unprovable, therefore carte blanche to lie.

They'll all do it over the next 6 weeks, sure as eggs are eggs.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-31 14:37:12 UTC
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Just had a letter this time from the Tories. And a begging letter too -
for party funds.

Odd the party of big business and tax cuts for the very best off needs
money from the likes of me?

They've often told us businesses of all types will be far better off
outside the EU. But not enough to fund the party that says they want out?
--
*I speak fluent patriarchy but it's not my mother tongue

Dave Plowman ***@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Grik-basstardo®™
2019-10-31 15:07:07 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:37:12 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just had a letter this time from the Tories. And a begging letter too -
for party funds.
Odd the party of big business and tax cuts for the very best off needs
money from the likes of me?
It doesn't. But if you don't arks, you don't get.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
They've often told us businesses of all types will be far better off
outside the EU. But not enough to fund the party that says they want out?
We're still inside the EU the last time I looked.
Peeler
2019-10-31 14:22:18 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:07:07 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grik-basstardo®™", farted
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
It doesn't. But if you don't arks, you don't get.
You got a hang-up about the word "ask", psycho? Just like you got a hang-up
about "the Jews", "Griks" and what not? Is there ANYTHING in this big world
you do NOT have a hang-up about? LMAO!
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
They've often told us businesses of all types will be far better off
outside the EU. But not enough to fund the party that says they want out?
We're still inside the EU the last time I looked.
Since when has fascist stupid serbia been inside the EU, Razovic? Are you
losing ANY sense of reality? Not that you ever had any! LMAO
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$***@usenetxs.com>
Mike Smith
2019-10-31 18:57:21 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just had a letter this time from the Tories. And a begging letter too -
for party funds.
Odd the party of big business and tax cuts for the very best off needs
money from the likes of me?
They've often told us businesses of all types will be far better off
outside the EU. But not enough to fund the party that says they want out?
--
*I speak fluent patriarchy but it's not my mother tongue
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
There was an item on the BBC website a few days ago about the sudden upsurge in donations to the Cons. Apparently that a recent Large Donor to the Cons is set to make a couple of hundred million if his (now) chum Boris can tank the economy, in exchange for which he has undertaken to dole out £5m a year for 5 years. Odd that they are asking for more cash, but greed is a harsh mistress. I'd vote for any party undertaking to lock up some naughty bankers/pension thieves as that is how London earned its reputation as a good place to do business in the first place and we did well out of that reputation for a while.
Presumably at some point a chap in a raincoat that he doesn't recognise from his bullingdon days will sidle up to Mr Johnson and whisper something in his shell like about 'national interest', Gerald Bull and 'having a David Kelly moment'.
The Marquis Saint Evremonde
2019-11-02 06:52:23 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
There was an item on the BBC website a few days ago about the sudden
upsurge in donations to the Cons.
Where?
Post by Mike Smith
Apparently that a recent Large Donor to the Cons is set to make a
couple of hundred million if his (now) chum Boris can tank the economy,
in exchange for which he has undertaken to dole out £5m a year for 5
years.
You know, that doesn't sound like a BBC news story to me. For one thing,
it would be grossly defamatory.
--
Evremonde
Roger
2019-11-02 18:02:16 UTC
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Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
Post by Mike Smith
There was an item on the BBC website a few days ago about the sudden
upsurge in donations to the Cons.
Where?
Post by Mike Smith
Apparently that a recent Large Donor to the Cons is set to make a
couple of hundred million if his (now) chum Boris can tank the economy,
in exchange for which he has undertaken to dole out £5m a year for 5
years.
You know, that doesn't sound like a BBC news story to me. For one thing,
it would be grossly defamatory.
--
Evremonde
Criminal in fact; so they should have least handed over the info to the cops.
Ian Jackson
2019-11-15 15:40:33 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Dean Jackson
General Election on 12th December. Granted on Boris‘s *fourth* attempt to
call an election. I do recall a lot of gormless wankers in these groups
recently insisting that BoJo would never call an election before Brexit was
concluded... LOL!
Farage is going to eat the Tories alive. Labour landslide and Corbyn in
Number 10! What a Christmas present!
Your local Bookie will accommodate you with good odds for that
D.J.
First flier from any party I got here was from the LDs. Says Jo Swinson is
tipped to be the next PM. No wonder bookies make so much money.
Excellent use of the passive 'is tipped' there. Use that and you don't
have to name the fool. Indeed, the fool doesn't even have to exist.
It's almost as disingenuous as a politician saying 'what I'm hearing on
the doorstep'. Completely unprovable, therefore carte blanche to lie.
They'll all do it over the next 6 weeks, sure as eggs are eggs.
Is "What I'm hearing on the doorstep" as reliable as "What I'm hearing
in LBC phone-ins"?
--
Ian
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