Descents From Edward III For Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet

[Brad Verity]

Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, of Aldborough, Yorkshire
(1687-1780), who became a settler in the colony of Virginia, may be
the gateway ancestor to America with the most descents from Edward
III. There are at least 10 from Joan Beaufort alone, with a very
probable 11th one from her (Line K below), as well as possibly others
(I need to track down more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury -
Line D below). Remarkably, though Sir Marmaduke Beckwith appears in
PA3 (p. 413), none of his Edward III descents are given in that book.
For anyone interested in this gateway, they are given below. I know
from Leo's database that at least one Edward III descent is given in
Roberts' RD600. If someone could let me know which one(s), I'd be
grateful.

The only source cited in PA3 for Sir Marmaduke Beckwith is
'Adventurers of Purse and Person' by J.F. Dorman, Volume 1 (2004), pp.
198-203. I haven't yet seen this book, but I intend to track it down,
as I very much want to find out the story of how a Yorkshire Baronet
became a Virginia merchant. If anyone knows of any other books or
articles on this man, I'd love to know of them.

Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), had 2 sons (H1 &
J1) and 4 daughters (A1, D1, E1 & I1)

A1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had
A2) Ralph, 5th Lord Greystoke (c.1414-1487), who had (with C3 below),
A3) Elizabeth Greystoke (d.c.1485) m. Thomas, 5th Lord Scrope of
Masham (c.1430-1475), and had (with B4 below),
A4) Elizabeth Scrope m. 2) Sir Ralph FitzRandall of Spennithorne (d.
1517), and had
A5) Agnes FitzRandall of Constable Burton (d. 1533) m. Sir Marmaduke
Wyvill, M.P. 1553, and had
A6) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (d. 1579) m. Margaret
Scrope (see F5 below), and had
A7) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet (1530-1617) m. Magdalen Danby
(see B6 below), and had
A8) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (1562-1614) m. Jane
Stapleton (see C8 below) and had
A9) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet (d. 1648) m. Isabel Gascoigne
(see D11 below) and had
A10) Mary Wyvill (d. 1646) m. Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642),
and had
A11) Sir Roger Beckwith, 1st Baronet (d. 1700) m. 2) 1681, Elizabeth
Jennings (d. 1707), and had
A13) Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet (1687-1780)

B4) Margery Scrope (d. aft. 1531) m. 1493 Sir Christopher Danby of
Thorpe Perrow (d. 1518), and had
B5) Sir Christopher Danby of Thorpe Perrow (1503-1571) m. Elizabeth
Nevill (see J4 below) and had
B6) Magdalen Danby (c.1535-??) m. Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet
(see A7 above)

C3) Sir Robert Greystoke (d. 1483) m. 1) Elizabeth Grey (see G3
below), and had
C4) Elizabeth Greystoke (1471-1516) m. Thomas, 3rd Lord Dacre
(1467-1525), and had
C5) Anne Dacre (d. 1548) m. Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (see H4
below)
C6) Jane Conyers (c.1525/30-1558) m. by 1550 Sir Marmaduke Constable
of Everingham (see I5 below), and had
C7) Katherine Constable (d.c. 1580) m. Sir Robert Stapleton of Wighill
(c.1548-1606), and had
C8) Jane Stapleton m. Christopher Wyvill (see A above)

D1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
D2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
D3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
D4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see E3
below), and had
D5) Sir William Gascoigne m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
D6) Henry Gascoigne, 3rd son, m. Isabel Boynton of Sedbury (d. 1545),
and had
D7) Henry Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
D8) Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
D9) Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
D10) Sir William Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1641) m. Barbara Anderson,
and had
D11) Isabel Gascoigne of Sedbury m. 1611 Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd
Baronet (see A9 above)

E1) Eleanor Nevill, Countess of Northumberland (d. 1473), who had
(with G2 below)
E2) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461), who had (with
F3 below)
E3) Margaret Percy m. Sir William Gascoigne (see D4 above)

F3) Elizabeth Percy m. Henry, 6th Lord Scrope of Bolton (d. 1506), and
had
F4) John Scrope of Spennithorne (d. 1547) m. Phyllis Rokeby (d. 1576),
and had
F5) Margaret Scrope m. Christopher Wyvill (see A6 above)

G2) Katherine Percy , Countess of Kent (1423-1504), who had
G3) Elizabeth Grey (d. 1472) m. Sir Robert Greystoke (see C3 above)

H1) William Nevill, Earl of Kent (d. 1463), and had
H2) Alice Nevill (c.1437-14--) m. Sir John Conyers of Hornby (c.
1435-1469), and had
H3) William, 1st Lord Conyers (1468-1524) m. Anne Nevill (descended
from Edward III, but not thru Joan Beaufort), and had
H4) Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (by 1503-1538) m. Anne Dacre (see C5
above)

I1) Cecily Neville, Duchess of York (1415-1495), who had
I2) Anne of York (1439-1476) m. 2) Sir Thomas St. Leger, and had
I3) Anne St. Leger (d. 1526) m. George Manners, Lord Ros, and had
I4) Catherine Manners (d. aft. 1558) m. Sir Robert Constable of
Everingham (by 1495-1558), and had (with A5 above),
I5) Sir Marmaduke Constable of Everingham (d. 1574) m. Jane Conyers
(see C6 above)

J1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
J2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
J3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
J4) Elizabeth Nevill (1500-15--) m. Sir Christopher Danby (see B5
above)

Here is the very probable additional line from Edward III. I need to
track down a pedigree of Brakenbury of Sellaby, co. Durham, but the
chronology of generations K9 and K10 below works very well.

K1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (same as A1 above)
K2) Anne Greystoke (d. 1477) m. Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
(1410-1461), and had
K3) Anne Bigod (d. 1531) m. William Conyers of Sockburn (d. 1490), and
had
K4) Anne Conyers (d. before 1522) m. abt 1492 Sir William Mauleverer
of Wothersome (d. 1551), and had
K5) James Mauleverer of Wothersome (d. 1524) m. 1510 Anne Wycliffe,
and had
K7) Jane Mauleverer (c.1511-aft. 1551) m. 2) c.1537 Peter Slingsby of
Marton (in Boroughbridge), Yorks. (d. 1570), and had
K8) Anne Slingsby (c.1540-1625) m. 2) by 1567 Henry Brakenbury of
Sellaby (1528-1602), and had
K9) Francis Brakenbury of Sellaby (c.1573-aft. 1630), who had
K10) Susanna Brakenbury (aft. 1601-1670) m. Roger Beckwith of
Aldborough (d. 1635), and had
K11) Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642) m. Mary Wyvill (see A10
above)

Cheers, ------Brad

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Brad,

You have more lines via Joan Beaufort to Edward III, but I have also lines
via Edmund of Langley (once) and Lionel of Antwerp (twice).
leo

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Subject: Descents From Edward III For Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet


> Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, of Aldborough, Yorkshire
> (1687-1780), who became a settler in the colony of Virginia, may be
> the gateway ancestor to America with the most descents from Edward
> III. There are at least 10 from Joan Beaufort alone, with a very
> probable 11th one from her (Line K below), as well as possibly others
> (I need to track down more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury -
> Line D below). Remarkably, though Sir Marmaduke Beckwith appears in
> PA3 (p. 413), none of his Edward III descents are given in that book.
> For anyone interested in this gateway, they are given below. I know
> from Leo's database that at least one Edward III descent is given in
> Roberts' RD600. If someone could let me know which one(s), I'd be
> grateful.
>
> The only source cited in PA3 for Sir Marmaduke Beckwith is
> 'Adventurers of Purse and Person' by J.F. Dorman, Volume 1 (2004), pp.
> 198-203. I haven't yet seen this book, but I intend to track it down,
> as I very much want to find out the story of how a Yorkshire Baronet
> became a Virginia merchant. If anyone knows of any other books or
> articles on this man, I'd love to know of them.
>
> Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), had 2 sons (H1 &
> J1) and 4 daughters (A1, D1, E1 & I1)
>
> A1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had
> A2) Ralph, 5th Lord Greystoke (c.1414-1487), who had (with C3 below),
> A3) Elizabeth Greystoke (d.c.1485) m. Thomas, 5th Lord Scrope of
> Masham (c.1430-1475), and had (with B4 below),
> A4) Elizabeth Scrope m. 2) Sir Ralph FitzRandall of Spennithorne (d.
> 1517), and had
> A5) Agnes FitzRandall of Constable Burton (d. 1533) m. Sir Marmaduke
> Wyvill, M.P. 1553, and had
> A6) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (d. 1579) m. Margaret
> Scrope (see F5 below), and had
> A7) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet (1530-1617) m. Magdalen Danby
> (see B6 below), and had
> A8) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (1562-1614) m. Jane
> Stapleton (see C8 below) and had
> A9) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet (d. 1648) m. Isabel Gascoigne
> (see D11 below) and had
> A10) Mary Wyvill (d. 1646) m. Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642),
> and had
> A11) Sir Roger Beckwith, 1st Baronet (d. 1700) m. 2) 1681, Elizabeth
> Jennings (d. 1707), and had
> A13) Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet (1687-1780)
>
> B4) Margery Scrope (d. aft. 1531) m. 1493 Sir Christopher Danby of
> Thorpe Perrow (d. 1518), and had
> B5) Sir Christopher Danby of Thorpe Perrow (1503-1571) m. Elizabeth
> Nevill (see J4 below) and had
> B6) Magdalen Danby (c.1535-??) m. Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet
> (see A7 above)
>
> C3) Sir Robert Greystoke (d. 1483) m. 1) Elizabeth Grey (see G3
> below), and had
> C4) Elizabeth Greystoke (1471-1516) m. Thomas, 3rd Lord Dacre
> (1467-1525), and had
> C5) Anne Dacre (d. 1548) m. Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (see H4
> below)
> C6) Jane Conyers (c.1525/30-1558) m. by 1550 Sir Marmaduke Constable
> of Everingham (see I5 below), and had
> C7) Katherine Constable (d.c. 1580) m. Sir Robert Stapleton of Wighill
> (c.1548-1606), and had
> C8) Jane Stapleton m. Christopher Wyvill (see A above)
>
> D1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
> D2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
> D3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
> D4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see E3
> below), and had
> D5) Sir William Gascoigne m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
> D6) Henry Gascoigne, 3rd son, m. Isabel Boynton of Sedbury (d. 1545),
> and had
> D7) Henry Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D8) Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D9) Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D10) Sir William Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1641) m. Barbara Anderson,
> and had
> D11) Isabel Gascoigne of Sedbury m. 1611 Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd
> Baronet (see A9 above)
>
> E1) Eleanor Nevill, Countess of Northumberland (d. 1473), who had
> (with G2 below)
> E2) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461), who had (with
> F3 below)
> E3) Margaret Percy m. Sir William Gascoigne (see D4 above)
>
> F3) Elizabeth Percy m. Henry, 6th Lord Scrope of Bolton (d. 1506), and
> had
> F4) John Scrope of Spennithorne (d. 1547) m. Phyllis Rokeby (d. 1576),
> and had
> F5) Margaret Scrope m. Christopher Wyvill (see A6 above)
>
> G2) Katherine Percy , Countess of Kent (1423-1504), who had
> G3) Elizabeth Grey (d. 1472) m. Sir Robert Greystoke (see C3 above)
>
> H1) William Nevill, Earl of Kent (d. 1463), and had
> H2) Alice Nevill (c.1437-14--) m. Sir John Conyers of Hornby (c.
> 1435-1469), and had
> H3) William, 1st Lord Conyers (1468-1524) m. Anne Nevill (descended
> from Edward III, but not thru Joan Beaufort), and had
> H4) Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (by 1503-1538) m. Anne Dacre (see C5
> above)
>
> I1) Cecily Neville, Duchess of York (1415-1495), who had
> I2) Anne of York (1439-1476) m. 2) Sir Thomas St. Leger, and had
> I3) Anne St. Leger (d. 1526) m. George Manners, Lord Ros, and had
> I4) Catherine Manners (d. aft. 1558) m. Sir Robert Constable of
> Everingham (by 1495-1558), and had (with A5 above),
> I5) Sir Marmaduke Constable of Everingham (d. 1574) m. Jane Conyers
> (see C6 above)
>
> J1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
> J2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
> J3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
> J4) Elizabeth Nevill (1500-15--) m. Sir Christopher Danby (see B5
> above)
>
> Here is the very probable additional line from Edward III. I need to
> track down a pedigree of Brakenbury of Sellaby, co. Durham, but the
> chronology of generations K9 and K10 below works very well.
>
> K1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (same as A1 above)
> K2) Anne Greystoke (d. 1477) m. Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
> (1410-1461), and had
> K3) Anne Bigod (d. 1531) m. William Conyers of Sockburn (d. 1490), and
> had
> K4) Anne Conyers (d. before 1522) m. abt 1492 Sir William Mauleverer
> of Wothersome (d. 1551), and had
> K5) James Mauleverer of Wothersome (d. 1524) m. 1510 Anne Wycliffe,
> and had
> K7) Jane Mauleverer (c.1511-aft. 1551) m. 2) c.1537 Peter Slingsby of
> Marton (in Boroughbridge), Yorks. (d. 1570), and had
> K8) Anne Slingsby (c.1540-1625) m. 2) by 1567 Henry Brakenbury of
> Sellaby (1528-1602), and had
> K9) Francis Brakenbury of Sellaby (c.1573-aft. 1630), who had
> K10) Susanna Brakenbury (aft. 1601-1670) m. Roger Beckwith of
> Aldborough (d. 1635), and had
> K11) Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642) m. Mary Wyvill (see A10
> above)
>
> Cheers, ------Brad
>
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[Don Stone]

Brad Verity wrote:
> Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, of Aldborough, Yorkshire
> (1687-1780), who became a settler in the colony of Virginia, may be
> the gateway ancestor to America with the most descents from Edward
> III. There are at least 10 from Joan Beaufort alone, with a very
> probable 11th one from her (Line K below), as well as possibly others
> (I need to track down more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury -
> Line D below). Remarkably, though Sir Marmaduke Beckwith appears in
> PA3 (p. 413), none of his Edward III descents are given in that book.
> For anyone interested in this gateway, they are given below. I know
> from Leo's database that at least one Edward III descent is given in
> Roberts' RD600. If someone could let me know which one(s), I'd be
> grateful.

Brad,

I have deleted most of the Edward III lines you gave (below), leaving
only the one supplied by GBR in RD600 (2004), pp. 52-5.

Does Sir Marmaduke have more Edward III lines than Maria Johanna
Somerset? He is slightly later than she is, giving him a slight advantage.

-- Don Stone

[snip]
> A8) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (1562-1614) m. Jane
> Stapleton (see C8 below) and had
> A9) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet (d. 1648) m. Isabel Gascoigne
> (see D11 below) and had
> A10) Mary Wyvill (d. 1646) m. Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642),
> and had
> A11) Sir Roger Beckwith, 1st Baronet (d. 1700) m. 2) 1681, Elizabeth
> Jennings (d. 1707), and had
> A13) Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet (1687-1780)
>
[snip]
> C6) Jane Conyers (c.1525/30-1558) m. by 1550 Sir Marmaduke Constable
> of Everingham (see I5 below), and had
> C7) Katherine Constable (d.c. 1580) m. Sir Robert Stapleton of Wighill
> (c.1548-1606), and had
> C8) Jane Stapleton m. Christopher Wyvill (see A above)
>
[snip]
> I1) Cecily Neville, Duchess of York (1415-1495), who had
> I2) Anne of York (1439-1476) m. 2) Sir Thomas St. Leger, and had
> I3) Anne St. Leger (d. 1526) m. George Manners, Lord Ros, and had
> I4) Catherine Manners (d. aft. 1558) m. Sir Robert Constable of
> Everingham (by 1495-1558), and had (with A5 above),
> I5) Sir Marmaduke Constable of Everingham (d. 1574) m. Jane Conyers
> (see C6 above)

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[wjhonson]

This is fascinating.

Without parents for this Elizabeth Greystoke (b 1471), the shortest
royal ascent I could do for her children was ten steps to Castile,
which left me pondering how well the family was placed to be able to
have all their children marrying sixth generation descendents from
England's throne.

With this new information... each of Elizabeth's children is also a
sixth generation descendent from England. Do you think they planned
that? That each child, a sixth-generation descendent should marry
spouses who are also sixth-generations descendents. Its so precise,
of course my data could still be missing more pieces.

Will

[John Higgins]

Thanks for this very interesting post....a useful contribution to the group.

According to my data, Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, has 21 lines of
descents from Edward III (plus one more if you include the line through the
Brackenburys of Sellaby). I'll have to do some further work to see which of
my descents are additions to those already mentioned. All of them, with the
exception of the possible line via Brackenbury, are through Mary Wyvill.

In answer to Don Stone's question, I show that Mary Johanna Somerset has 18
descents from Edward III, so Sir Marmaduke is apparently now in the lead in
this "race".

As to the Brackenbury connection, there is a pedigree of Brackenbury of
Sellaby in Joseph Foster's edition of the visitations of Durham, probably
from the 1575 visitation, which shows Henry Brackenbury and Anne Slingsby as
having a son George (d. sp) and a daughter Anne (living 1575), but no son
Francis (at least as of 1575). OTOH, there is an extracted record in the
IGI for Francis Brackenbury christened at Gainford, Durham, 25 Aug 1577, but
with no parents indicated - maybe the right person. According to Marshall's
guide, there is a Brackenbury pedigree in Surtees' Durham, 4:19-20 - I don't
have access to this and can't confirm that's the right family, but it's
worth pursuing.

As you note, PA3 fails to give any Edward III descents (or any Plantagenet
descents at all) for Sir Roger Beckwith, father of Sir Marmaduke. This is a
pretty significant omission, since Sir Roger has far more Plantagenet
descents than his wife Elizabeth Jennings - approximately 600 by my count as
opposed to 16 for her. [Faris's PA2 also omits these descents - but of
course PA3 was supposed to be MUCH more comprehensive! :-)]

Finally, an intriguing question: Sir Marmaduke's wife was Elizabeth, dau.
of William Brockenbrough and Mary Newman. Given the possible Brackenbury
ancestry behind Sir Maramaduke, I wonder if Brockenbrough is actually a
corruption of Brackenbury, making this a marriage of possibly close
relations - with perhaps further Plantagenet and Edward III descents.

I have a library visit planned for tomorrow and will investigate
'Adventurers of Purse and Person' .

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Descents From Edward III For Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet


> Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, of Aldborough, Yorkshire
> (1687-1780), who became a settler in the colony of Virginia, may be
> the gateway ancestor to America with the most descents from Edward
> III. There are at least 10 from Joan Beaufort alone, with a very
> probable 11th one from her (Line K below), as well as possibly others
> (I need to track down more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury -
> Line D below). Remarkably, though Sir Marmaduke Beckwith appears in
> PA3 (p. 413), none of his Edward III descents are given in that book.
> For anyone interested in this gateway, they are given below. I know
> from Leo's database that at least one Edward III descent is given in
> Roberts' RD600. If someone could let me know which one(s), I'd be
> grateful.
>
> The only source cited in PA3 for Sir Marmaduke Beckwith is
> 'Adventurers of Purse and Person' by J.F. Dorman, Volume 1 (2004), pp.
> 198-203. I haven't yet seen this book, but I intend to track it down,
> as I very much want to find out the story of how a Yorkshire Baronet
> became a Virginia merchant. If anyone knows of any other books or
> articles on this man, I'd love to know of them.
>
> Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), had 2 sons (H1 &
> J1) and 4 daughters (A1, D1, E1 & I1)
>
> A1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had
> A2) Ralph, 5th Lord Greystoke (c.1414-1487), who had (with C3 below),
> A3) Elizabeth Greystoke (d.c.1485) m. Thomas, 5th Lord Scrope of
> Masham (c.1430-1475), and had (with B4 below),
> A4) Elizabeth Scrope m. 2) Sir Ralph FitzRandall of Spennithorne (d.
> 1517), and had
> A5) Agnes FitzRandall of Constable Burton (d. 1533) m. Sir Marmaduke
> Wyvill, M.P. 1553, and had
> A6) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (d. 1579) m. Margaret
> Scrope (see F5 below), and had
> A7) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet (1530-1617) m. Magdalen Danby
> (see B6 below), and had
> A8) Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (1562-1614) m. Jane
> Stapleton (see C8 below) and had
> A9) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet (d. 1648) m. Isabel Gascoigne
> (see D11 below) and had
> A10) Mary Wyvill (d. 1646) m. Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642),
> and had
> A11) Sir Roger Beckwith, 1st Baronet (d. 1700) m. 2) 1681, Elizabeth
> Jennings (d. 1707), and had
> A13) Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet (1687-1780)
>
> B4) Margery Scrope (d. aft. 1531) m. 1493 Sir Christopher Danby of
> Thorpe Perrow (d. 1518), and had
> B5) Sir Christopher Danby of Thorpe Perrow (1503-1571) m. Elizabeth
> Nevill (see J4 below) and had
> B6) Magdalen Danby (c.1535-??) m. Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet
> (see A7 above)
>
> C3) Sir Robert Greystoke (d. 1483) m. 1) Elizabeth Grey (see G3
> below), and had
> C4) Elizabeth Greystoke (1471-1516) m. Thomas, 3rd Lord Dacre
> (1467-1525), and had
> C5) Anne Dacre (d. 1548) m. Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (see H4
> below)
> C6) Jane Conyers (c.1525/30-1558) m. by 1550 Sir Marmaduke Constable
> of Everingham (see I5 below), and had
> C7) Katherine Constable (d.c. 1580) m. Sir Robert Stapleton of Wighill
> (c.1548-1606), and had
> C8) Jane Stapleton m. Christopher Wyvill (see A above)
>
> D1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
> D2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
> D3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
> D4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see E3
> below), and had
> D5) Sir William Gascoigne m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
> D6) Henry Gascoigne, 3rd son, m. Isabel Boynton of Sedbury (d. 1545),
> and had
> D7) Henry Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D8) Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D9) Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D10) Sir William Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1641) m. Barbara Anderson,
> and had
> D11) Isabel Gascoigne of Sedbury m. 1611 Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd
> Baronet (see A9 above)
>
> E1) Eleanor Nevill, Countess of Northumberland (d. 1473), who had
> (with G2 below)
> E2) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461), who had (with
> F3 below)
> E3) Margaret Percy m. Sir William Gascoigne (see D4 above)
>
> F3) Elizabeth Percy m. Henry, 6th Lord Scrope of Bolton (d. 1506), and
> had
> F4) John Scrope of Spennithorne (d. 1547) m. Phyllis Rokeby (d. 1576),
> and had
> F5) Margaret Scrope m. Christopher Wyvill (see A6 above)
>
> G2) Katherine Percy , Countess of Kent (1423-1504), who had
> G3) Elizabeth Grey (d. 1472) m. Sir Robert Greystoke (see C3 above)
>
> H1) William Nevill, Earl of Kent (d. 1463), and had
> H2) Alice Nevill (c.1437-14--) m. Sir John Conyers of Hornby (c.
> 1435-1469), and had
> H3) William, 1st Lord Conyers (1468-1524) m. Anne Nevill (descended
> from Edward III, but not thru Joan Beaufort), and had
> H4) Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (by 1503-1538) m. Anne Dacre (see C5
> above)
>
> I1) Cecily Neville, Duchess of York (1415-1495), who had
> I2) Anne of York (1439-1476) m. 2) Sir Thomas St. Leger, and had
> I3) Anne St. Leger (d. 1526) m. George Manners, Lord Ros, and had
> I4) Catherine Manners (d. aft. 1558) m. Sir Robert Constable of
> Everingham (by 1495-1558), and had (with A5 above),
> I5) Sir Marmaduke Constable of Everingham (d. 1574) m. Jane Conyers
> (see C6 above)
>
> J1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
> J2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
> J3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
> J4) Elizabeth Nevill (1500-15--) m. Sir Christopher Danby (see B5
> above)
>
> Here is the very probable additional line from Edward III. I need to
> track down a pedigree of Brakenbury of Sellaby, co. Durham, but the
> chronology of generations K9 and K10 below works very well.
>
> K1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (same as A1 above)
> K2) Anne Greystoke (d. 1477) m. Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
> (1410-1461), and had
> K3) Anne Bigod (d. 1531) m. William Conyers of Sockburn (d. 1490), and
> had
> K4) Anne Conyers (d. before 1522) m. abt 1492 Sir William Mauleverer
> of Wothersome (d. 1551), and had
> K5) James Mauleverer of Wothersome (d. 1524) m. 1510 Anne Wycliffe,
> and had
> K7) Jane Mauleverer (c.1511-aft. 1551) m. 2) c.1537 Peter Slingsby of
> Marton (in Boroughbridge), Yorks. (d. 1570), and had
> K8) Anne Slingsby (c.1540-1625) m. 2) by 1567 Henry Brakenbury of
> Sellaby (1528-1602), and had
> K9) Francis Brakenbury of Sellaby (c.1573-aft. 1630), who had
> K10) Susanna Brakenbury (aft. 1601-1670) m. Roger Beckwith of
> Aldborough (d. 1635), and had
> K11) Arthur Beckwith of Aldborough (d. 1642) m. Mary Wyvill (see A10
> above)
>
> Cheers, ------Brad
>
>
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[Brad Verity]

On Apr 3, 4:07 pm, "John Higgins" <***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> According to my data, Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, has 21 lines of
> descents from Edward III (plus one more if you include the line through the
> Brackenburys of Sellaby). I'll have to do some further work to see which of
> my descents are additions to those already mentioned. All of them, with the
> exception of the possible line via Brackenbury, are through Mary Wyvill.

Dear John,

Let me know if you find any from Joan Beaufort that I've overlooked.

> In answer to Don Stone's question, I show that Mary Johanna Somerset has 18
> descents from Edward III, so Sir Marmaduke is apparently now in the lead in
> this "race".

Thanks to Don Stone for posting the descent that's in RD600. I was
curious that Roberts chose that one instead of one that went further
back on the Wyvill paternal line. But then I remembered that Roberts
chooses his descents similarl to the way Ruvigny ordered his
'Plantagenet Roll' series - he starts with Lionel of Antwerp lines
then John of Gaunt lines then Edmund of Langledy lines, etc. And the
line given is the most 'senior' one from Lionel of Antwerp, via
Mortimer/York.

And thanks, John, for tabulating the EIII descents. I had a feeling
Beckwith would have the most. I wonder what kind of havoc all that
inbreeding wreaked on the DNA of these individuals.

> As to the Brackenbury connection, there is a pedigree of Brackenbury of
> Sellaby in Joseph Foster's edition of the visitations of Durham, probably
> from the 1575 visitation, which shows Henry Brackenbury and Anne Slingsby as
> having a son George (d. sp) and a daughter Anne (living 1575), but no son
> Francis (at least as of 1575).

Peter Slingsby, in his 1570 will, mentions only George Brakenbury and
Anne Goldesborough (from his daughter Anne's first marriage), so
George was born before the will, and his full sister Anne after it.
Anne went on to marry one ---- Hutton and have 3 sons, but was widowed
when her father wrote his will in 1601.

> OTOH, there is an extracted record in the
> IGI for Francis Brackenbury christened at Gainford, Durham, 25 Aug 1577, but
> with no parents indicated - maybe the right person.

Many thanks for this!! It's great to have Francis's baptism date and
place. Sellaby is in the parish of Gainford, and both Henry
Brakenbury and his wife Anne Slingsby were buried there. This
definitely is their son Francis. Who, in his father's 1601 will, is
described as "beloved sonne and heire".

Francis was admitted to Gray's Inn on 23 Oct. 1594, and I assumed he
had to have been of age, which is how I arrived at c.1573 for his
birth. But apparently one didn't have to be age 21 to be admitted.

> According to Marshall's
> guide, there is a Brackenbury pedigree in Surtees' Durham, 4:19-20 - I don't
> have access to this and can't confirm that's the right family, but it's
> worth pursuing.

Definitely. The UCLA Reserve Library has Surtees' Durham, so I'll
look up the pedigree on my next visit. That the Brakenbury of Sellaby
line continued for several generations to the 1800s is clear, but that
it was Francis who continued it is less so. There is no mention of
any wife for Francis in his father's November 1601 will, and as we now
know Francis was only age 24 at the time, that is not so surprising.
But, though Henry had no further sons, he did have a younger full
brother Richard and a younger half-brother Anthony from whom the later
17th century Brakenburys, and more specifically, Susanna Brakenbury
Beckwith, may have descended.

> As you note, PA3 fails to give any Edward III descents (or any Plantagenet
> descents at all) for Sir Roger Beckwith, father of Sir Marmaduke. This is a
> pretty significant omission, since Sir Roger has far more Plantagenet
> descents than his wife Elizabeth Jennings - approximately 600 by my count as
> opposed to 16 for her. [Faris's PA2 also omits these descents - but of
> course PA3 was supposed to be MUCH more comprehensive! :-)]

It's especially curious since RD600 does give an Edward III descent
for Sir Marmaduke. I've given up trying to figure why something is -
or is not - in PA3.

> Finally, an intriguing question: Sir Marmaduke's wife was Elizabeth, dau.
> of William Brockenbrough and Mary Newman. Given the possible Brackenbury
> ancestry behind Sir Maramaduke, I wonder if Brockenbrough is actually a
> corruption of Brackenbury, making this a marriage of possibly close
> relations - with perhaps further Plantagenet and Edward III descents.

For their children's sake, I hope not. 21 (maybe 22) lines from
Edward III seems more than enough!!

> I have a library visit planned for tomorrow and will investigate
> 'Adventurers of Purse and Person' .

I look forward to reading it as well.

On Apr 3, 8:56 pm, "John Watson" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brad,
>
> He didn't go to Virginia to be a merchant - that was coincidental - he
> went to America to spread the word of Truth of his Quaker religion.

Thanks for this, John. Sir Marmaduke gets even more interesting. I
look forward to finding out more about him.

Cheers, -------Brad

[wjhonson]

I think I can answer that question, give me a few hours.

[wjhonson]

Brad, Richard Brackenbury Esq left a Will dated 8 Jun 1601. Do you
have this? It might help on this family.

Also he sold the estate of Merrick to the Huttons in 1592. See snippet
here
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0eHGTazbuDjBljYto6&id=FXAMB7qKL-QC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=brackenbury+of+sellaby

The will might make clear whether Richard had any children and if not
who his heirs exactly were at that time.

Is it known how many children Henry Brackenbury and Anne Slingsby had
together?
Also in this time period could Anne be another name for Agnes?
I have a list of five children baptised at Gainford who *could* be the
children of Henry and Anne as follows
George 1569, Agnes 1573, Thomas 1576, Francis 1577, Christopher 1578

However, speaking against Thomas, you cite the will of Henry speaking
of his heir Francis, and yet Gainford has two baptisms in 1602 and
1610 for children to a Thomas Brackenbury. So if that is all true, it
would appear that that Thomas, is not this Thomas.

Moving on, we find two baptisms of Elizabeth 1597 and Eleanor 1599
with no father but could it be Francis? And a John in 1606

Baptisms for father John occur as Pierce 1633, Henry 1637 and we know
that a John Brackenbury was called of Sellaby (Selbye), Durham in both
1640 and 1652

See
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0QBd4mhvWzkUu_QSBUEjWcr&id=4lgJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA391&lpg=PA391&dq=brackenbury+of+sellaby

where he states that he conveyed the lordship of Sellaby in 1640 and
they are still fighting over the details as late as 1652

Then we jump to 1670 with a baptism for a father John and child
Francis at Gainford. That's an awful large jump, so I'm skeptical
that this is the same John. Therefore there must be another John son
of John being baptised *not* at Gainford. Possibly when he conveyed,
he also moved away for a while, had his son elsewhere and then they
moved back after the death of Henry Fletcher, Bart (Jan 1646 Battle of
Chester) perhaps ejecting the widow Katherine who then brings suit.

So hopefully these bits can be helpful in figuring out the family.

Will Johnson

[Brad Verity]

On Apr 5, 2:36 pm, "wjhonson" <***@aol.com> wrote:

> Brad, Richard Brackenbury Esq left a Will dated 8 Jun 1601. Do you
> have this? It might help on this family.

No, I only have a copy of Henry Brakenbury's will, which was printed
in 'Durham Wills' Vol. 3 (Surtees Soc. 112, 1906), pp. 56-57.

> Also he sold the estate of Merrick to the Huttons in 1592. See snippet
> herehttp://books.google.com/books?vid=0eHGTazbuDjBljYto6&id=FXAMB7qKL-QC&...

Thanks for this reference. Anne Brakenbury, daughter of Henry
Brakenbury and Anne Slingsby, married a Hutton. I wonder if he was
from this family.

> The will might make clear whether Richard had any children and if not
> who his heirs exactly were at that time.

I'm sure it would. Is it available to order? Where is it deposited?

> Is it known how many children Henry Brackenbury and Anne Slingsby had
> together?

Only three for certain - George, who died young, Anne Brakenbury
Hutton, a widow with 3 sons in 1601, and Francis, the heir. Only Anne
and Francis were alive in 1601 - there were no other siblings at that
point.

> Also in this time period could Anne be another name for Agnes?

Not really, but there could be an easy transcription error between the
two.

> I have a list of five children baptised at Gainford who *could* be the
> children of Henry and Anne as follows
> George 1569, Agnes 1573, Thomas 1576, Francis 1577, Christopher 1578

What is your source for these? Have the Parish Registers for Gainford
been published? If so, marriages and burials would be very helpful as
well.

George, baptized 1569, most definitely was the son of Henry Brakenbury
- the only child of Henry mentioned in the 1570 will of Peter Slingsby
of Marton. A birthdate of 1573 for Anne seems to fit well - she was
born after her grandfather's will and before the 1575 Visitation of
the family. And Francis in 1577 would be Henry's son and heir.

Thomas and Christopher may have been children of Henry Brakenbury and
Anne Slingsby who died young. If so, their burials should also be in
the Gainford parish register, as I believe this was pretty much a one-
parish family that didn't have widespread properties.

> However, speaking against Thomas, you cite the will of Henry speaking
> of his heir Francis, and yet Gainford has two baptisms in 1602 and
> 1610 for children to a Thomas Brackenbury. So if that is all true, it
> would appear that that Thomas, is not this Thomas.

Whatever Thomas Brakenbury was having children in Gainford parish in
the early 1600s was not the son of Henry.

> Moving on, we find two baptisms of Elizabeth 1597 and Eleanor 1599
> with no father but could it be Francis?

I doubt it. There is no mention of a wife or any children for Francis
in Henry's 1601 will, and Henry takes great pains to settle his
property on widowed daughter Anne Hutton and her sons, should Francis
have no heirs.

> And a John in 1606

Now this could well be Francis's child. A John Brakenbury inherited
Sellaby after Francis. But whether he was Francis's son, or a younger
cousin, is not certain.

> Baptisms for father John occur as Pierce 1633, Henry 1637 and we know
> that a John Brackenbury was called of Sellaby (Selbye), Durham in both
> 1640 and 1652
>
> Seehttp://books.google.com/books?vid=0QBd4mhvWzkUu_QSBUEjWcr&id=4lgJAAAA...
>
> where he states that he conveyed the lordship of Sellaby in 1640 and
> they are still fighting over the details as late as 1652

Thanks for the link. I haven't quite got a grip on the religious and
Civil Wars of 17th-century England, but they certainly affected all of
these Northern families, and I need to study the 17th century in more
detail. If the Brakenburys and Beckwiths were both on the same side,
it may explain the marriage of Roger Beckwith to Susanna Brakenbury,
as geography doesn't account for it - I don't believe Aldborough,
Yorks. and Sellaby, co. Durham are close together.

> Then we jump to 1670 with a baptism for a father John and child
> Francis at Gainford. That's an awful large jump, so I'm skeptical
> that this is the same John.

I'm glad that the name 'Francis' is still being used by the family -
it gives me hope that they do indeed descend from Francis son of
Henry.

> Therefore there must be another John son
> of John being baptised *not* at Gainford. Possibly when he conveyed,
> he also moved away for a while, had his son elsewhere and then they
> moved back after the death of Henry Fletcher, Bart (Jan 1646 Battle of
> Chester) perhaps ejecting the widow Katherine who then brings suit.

Sounds good to me. At any rate, Susanna Brakenbury was a widow well
before 1646, so these later Brakenburys don't affect her parentage.

> So hopefully these bits can be helpful in figuring out the family.

Very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to post them, Will. I'm
certain the ultimate answer (or at least the next step) lies in the
pedigree of Brakenbury of Sellaby in Surtees' 'Durham'. I hope to be
able to get to Los Angeles before the end of the month, and will
definitely report back once I've had a look at it.

Cheers, --------Brad

[wjhonson]

Brad the parish register of Gainford, Durham is at

www.familysearch.org - IGI - British Isles - Batch P002031

Do you know who to search using the Batch numbers ?
You select the IGI first, then you select the region as British Isles
Then enter the batch number in that field
And enter NOTHING else except the surname Brackenbury
Then hit submit and it will give you everything on that surname in
that source.

This particular batch is I think just baptisms. You can also, if you
happen to know other surnames who could have been baptised at
Gainford, search on those ones as well. I find it acutely easier once
I know the Batch number to just edit *everyone* with that surname
instead of searching on each one seperately.

I do not know anything more about the Will of Richad Brackenbury there
was only a passing reference that it existed, in one source, and the
date and nothing more about it.

Since we know that there is a father Thomas Brackenbury having
children at least Margaret 1602 and Matthew 1610, I've moved the two
strays Elizabeth 1597 and Eleanor 1599 under his entry for now.

Now the only problem is figuring out who the heck this Thomas ... is,
since he's not a son of Henry's. But then there is also this half-
brother Anthony to account for as well.

I did not see any marriages or burials when I was looking.

Will Johnson

[John Watson]

On Apr 4, 3:24 am, "Brad Verity" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

I very much want to find out the story of how a Yorkshire Baronet
> became a Virginia merchant.

Hi Brad,

He didn't go to Virginia to be a merchant - that was coincidental - he
went to America to spread the word of Truth of his Quaker religion.

Regards,

John

[Brad Verity]

Dear Will,

Thanks for the IGI link, and instructions on how to use - I've never tried
it before. I'm exhausted tonight, but hopefully I'll have the opportunity
to hunt through it over the next couple days.

Surtees's pedigrees are usually very thorough - I have copies of several
from previous library visits. I think before we exhaust ourselves trying to
reconstruct this Brakenbury of Sellaby pedigree, we wait until we see what
Surtees was able to put together. I'm going to plan on making two copies of
it, and send you one of them - I know you've been interested in this family
for awhile.

Cheers, ----Brad


>From: "wjhonson" <***@aol.com>
>To: gen-***@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III For Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd
>Baronet
>Date: 5 Apr 2007 23:19:09 -0700
>
>Brad the parish register of Gainford, Durham is at
>
>www.familysearch.org - IGI - British Isles - Batch P002031
>
>Do you know who to search using the Batch numbers ?
>You select the IGI first, then you select the region as British Isles
>Then enter the batch number in that field
>And enter NOTHING else except the surname Brackenbury
>Then hit submit and it will give you everything on that surname in
>that source.
>
>This particular batch is I think just baptisms. You can also, if you
>happen to know other surnames who could have been baptised at
>Gainford, search on those ones as well. I find it acutely easier once
>I know the Batch number to just edit *everyone* with that surname
>instead of searching on each one seperately.
>
>I do not know anything more about the Will of Richad Brackenbury there
>was only a passing reference that it existed, in one source, and the
>date and nothing more about it.
>
>Since we know that there is a father Thomas Brackenbury having
>children at least Margaret 1602 and Matthew 1610, I've moved the two
>strays Elizabeth 1597 and Eleanor 1599 under his entry for now.
>
>Now the only problem is figuring out who the heck this Thomas ... is,
>since he's not a son of Henry's. But then there is also this half-
>brother Anthony to account for as well.
>
>I did not see any marriages or burials when I was looking.
>
>Will Johnson

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[Brad Verity]

On Apr 6, 12:04 am, Brad Verity <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Surtees's pedigrees are usually very thorough - I have copies of several
> from previous library visits. I think before we exhaust ourselves trying to
> reconstruct this Brakenbury of Sellaby pedigree, we wait until we see what
> Surtees was able to put together. I'm going to plan on making two copies of
> it, and send you one of them - I know you've been interested in this family
> for awhile.

I finally made it to the UCLA Library this week and had a look at the
Brackenbury pedigrees in Surtees' 'Durham' Volume 4, pp. 17-20.

Per the pedigree, Susanna Brackenbury, wife of Roger Beckwith of
Aldbrough, was indeed the daughter of Francis Brackenbury of Selaby
(bap. 30 August 1577, buried May 1630). She was one of two children
of Francis by an unnamed first wife. The second wife of Francis, whom
he married in August 1615, was Grace (no parentage given). She
married 2nd, before 1634, Ingleby Huddleston, 6th son of Ferdinando
Huddleston of Millom. I'll have to dig out my Huddleston file and see
if I have anything further on her.

The other child of Francis and his first wife was his son and heir,
John Brackenbury of Selaby (bapt. at Gainford 1606, buried 9 November
1677 at Durham Abbey). He married 1st, Jane (buried 26 August 1674),
daughter of Hugh Selby of Newcastle, merchant, and they had three
sons:

1) Robert Brackenbury, bapt. at St. Nicholas, Newcastle 21 April 1629,
joined his father in the sale of lands in Alwent 17 Oct. 1657, dvp and
buried 9 July 1677.
2) Pierce Brackenbury, bapt. 12 March 1633, admitted of Gray's Inn 15
May 1656, admitted of St. John's College, Cambridge 17 Sept. 1650,
M.D. 1665
3) Henry Brackenbury, bapt. 2 October 1637, admitted of Gray's Inn 13
July 1655

By an unnamed second wife (who was probably the Jane Brackenbury,
widow, who had licence to marry John Simpson of Winston on 16 August
1680), John Brackenbury had a 4th son:

4) Francis Brackenbury, bapt. 11 August 1676

Surtees was unable to trace the family any further (p. 17): I have in
vain endeavoured to trace the descendants of the last Brakenbury of
Selaby. Robert, eldest son of John, died a few months before his
father; and of Pierce and Henry all that is known is, that they were
both admitted of Gray's Inn 1636-7[sic]; that Pierce was of St. John's
College, Cambridge, 1650; and proceeded M.D. 1665.

In addition to Francis, the pedigree gives Henry Brackenbury of Selaby
and Anne Slingsby, an elder son, George (bapt. 11 Sept. 1569, buried 8
January 1571) and a daughter Anne (age 2 in 1575), wife of Christopher
Hutton of Hunwick, co. Durham.

Of Henry Brackenbury's younger brothers, his full brother Richard
Brackenbury died without issue (will proven 1605), and their half-
brother Anthony Brackenbury administered Richard's estate in 1607, but
Surtees couldn't find anything further on him.

Their was a junior branch of the family, the Brackenburys of Killerby,
co. Durham, founded by Martin Brackenbury, uncle of Henry Brackenbury
of Selaby. Surtees found some baptisms for them in the Heighington
Parish Register. And there were Brackenburys of Langton (in the
parish of Gainford) that Surtees was not certain how to fit into the
family. Both the Killerby and Langton Brackenburys had a Thomas,
though I couldn't find a Margaret, Matthew, Elizabeth (with a 1597
birthdate) or Eleanor Brackenbury in any of the pedigrees.

There is still some tight chronology, as Susan Beckwith, Susanna
Brackenbury's eldest daughter, was born 1614 (I got that date from the
IGI, so need to verify it). Susanna must have been a very young
second wife to Roger Beckwith, which is confirmed by her surviving as
his widow for 35 years.

Further research needs to be done into the first marriage of Francis
Brackenbury of Selaby, but the descent from Edward III is shaping up
more solid.

Cheers, ---------Brad

[WJhonson]

<<In a message dated 05/17/07 20:05:50 Pacific Standard Time, ***@hotmail.com writes:
The second wife of Francis, whom
he married in August 1615, was Grace (no parentage given). She
married 2nd, before 1634, Ingleby Huddleston, 6th son of Ferdinando
Huddleston of Millom. I'll have to dig out my Huddleston file and see
if I have anything further on her. >>


I had not previously had Ingleby. He is a descendent of Edward III.
Ingleby was son of Jane Grey
daughter of Sir Ralph Grey of Chillingham
son of Isabel Grey of Horton
daughter of Dorothy Ogle

Can you connect Ferdinando to his immediate ancestry?

Will Johnson

[Brad Verity]

On May 17, 9:26 pm, WJhonson <***@aol.com> wrote:

> I had not previously had Ingleby. He is a descendent of Edward III.
> Ingleby was son of Jane Grey
> daughter of Sir Ralph Grey of Chillingham
> son of Isabel Grey of Horton
> daughter of Dorothy Ogle
>
> Can you connect Ferdinando to his immediate ancestry?

Dear Will,

>From H.S. Cowper, 'Millom Castle and the Huddlestons' in 'Transactions
of the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological
Society', New Series Vol. 24 (1924), p. 229:

"7. [7th son] Ingleby [Huddleston], b. 28 Mar., 1615, Capt. of Foot in
King's Army, sepult. 4 Jan., 1653/4. He appears to have had a wife
called Grace."

Ferdinando Huddleston of Millom (1577-c.1645), M.P. for Cumberland
1623-24, was son and heir of William Huddleston of Millom (1549-1628)
and Mary Bridges, and descended from Edward I.

Cheers, ---------Brad

[WJhonson]

What was the connection between this Ferdinando Huddlestone of Millom Castle and
Romaldkirk, Yorkshire?

I find that ten of his children were baptised at Romaldkirk.

Will

[Brad Verity]

On Apr 3, 12:24 pm, "Brad Verity" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd Baronet, of Aldborough, Yorkshire
> (1687-1780), who became a settler in the colony of Virginia, may be
> the gateway ancestor to America with the most descents from Edward
> III. There are at least 10 from Joan Beaufort alone, with a very
> probable 11th one from her (Line K below), as well as possibly others
> (I need to track down more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury -
> Line D below).

I've gathered more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury, and
another descent for Sir Marmaduke Beckwith from Joan Beaufort
emerges. It is given below as Line L. Lines D and J have been
adjusted from information from the following Descents of Edward III
website:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/

The website leaves out Generation D9, making William Gascoigne (D10)
son of Richard Gascoigne (D8). But I used the Victoria County History
account of Sedbury, which definitely puts a John Gascoigne between
Richard & William, though it doesn't provide dates.

D1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
D2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
D3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
D4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see E3
below), and had
D5) Sir William Gascoigne m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
D6) Henry Gascoigne, 3rd son, m. Isabel Boynton of Sedbury (d. 1545),
and had
D7) Sir Henry Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1558) m. Margaret Cholmley (d.
1570), and had
D8) Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1605) m. Jane Norton (see L5
below), and had
D9) Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
D10) Sir William Gascoigne of Sedbury (c. 1568-1643) m. 1599 Barbara
Anderson, and had
D11) Isabel Gascoigne of Sedbury m. 1611 Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd
Baronet (see A9 above)

J1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
J2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
J3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had (with L4
below)
J4) Elizabeth Nevill (1500-15--) m. Sir Christopher Danby (see B5
above)

L4) Susan Nevill (1500-15--) m. Richard Norton of Norton Conyers (d.
1588), and had
L5) Jane Norton m. Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury (see D8 above)

Cheers, ----------Brad

[wjhonson]

<<On Apr 6, 1:22 pm, "Brad Verity" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> L4) Susan Nevill (1500-15--) m. Richard Norton of Norton Conyers (d.
> 1588), and had
> L5) Jane Norton m. Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury (see D8 above)
>
> Cheers, ----------Brad>>

Brad, Richard Norton has a DNB entry in which it specifies his NINE
sons who all apparently survived him or at least made it to
adulthood. I don't recall it mentioning any daughters, but of course
that isn't any proof that he didn't have any.

To date I haven't found very much useful on tracing the descents of
this family, but I would note the your above, makes Jane, in my
database at least the *critical path* to her parents. Jane Norton
must have been born sometime between 1513 and 1537 chronologically for
the line to work, which puts a much stricter limit on her parents
marriage and her siblings births.

I would appreciate any data allowing a firmer dating for this family
and their children. Richard Norton, by the way, died 9 Apr 1588
"abroad, probably in Flanders" he was the eldest son of John Norton
of Norton Conyers by his wife Anne de Radcliffe.

Although this line goes back through several generations of Norton
Conyers and to Tempest of Studley I haven't yet found a royal link for
Richard.

Will Johnson

[Brad Verity]

On Apr 6, 2:13 pm, "wjhonson" <***@aol.com> wrote:

> Brad, Richard Norton has a DNB entry in which it specifies his NINE
> sons who all apparently survived him or at least made it to
> adulthood. I don't recall it mentioning any daughters, but of course
> that isn't any proof that he didn't have any.

Dear Will,

Norton and his first wife Susan Neville (b. 1501, not 1500 as I have
in the descent line) had about a half dozen daughters or so. Stirnet
or Tudor Place ought to have a list of them.

> To date I haven't found very much useful on tracing the descents of
> this family,

Fletcher Norton, 1st Lord Grantley, is a direct male-line descendant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher_Norton%2C_1st_Baron_Grantley

> but I would note the your above, makes Jane, in my
> database at least the *critical path* to her parents. Jane Norton
> must have been born sometime between 1513 and 1537 chronologically for
> the line to work, which puts a much stricter limit on her parents
> marriage and her siblings births.

I'll have to check my Visitation pedigrees of the family when I get
home late tonight. Unfortunately, the Nortons skipped the 1530
Visitation, which means we won't get a family snapshot until 1552 at
the earliest.

> I would appreciate any data allowing a firmer dating for this family
> and their children.

One of their Nevill of Latimer uncles left a will and mentions several
of them (I have a copy of it at home). That could provide some kind
of time parameter, but I'm afraid determining a chronology will be
difficult for them until the 1550s.

> Richard Norton, by the way, died 9 Apr 1588
> "abroad, probably in Flanders" he was the eldest son of John Norton
> of Norton Conyers by his wife Anne de Radcliffe.
> Although this line goes back through several generations of Norton
> Conyers and to Tempest of Studley I haven't yet found a royal link for
> Richard.

He certainly was not descended from Edward I. Monarchs prior to that,
I don't know.

Cheers, -----------Brad

[John Higgins]

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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III For Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd
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[snip]

>
> > Richard Norton, by the way, died 9 Apr 1588
> > "abroad, probably in Flanders" he was the eldest son of John Norton
> > of Norton Conyers by his wife Anne de Radcliffe.
> > Although this line goes back through several generations of Norton
> > Conyers and to Tempest of Studley I haven't yet found a royal link for
> > Richard.
>
> He certainly was not descended from Edward I. Monarchs prior to that,
> I don't know.
>
> Cheers, -----------Brad
>

Although Richard Norton above was not descended from Edward I, he appears to
have descents from illegitimate sons of Kings Henry II and John, via the
families of Grey of Rotherfield, FitzHugh, Tunstall, and Warde of Givendale.

[John Higgins]

----- Original Message -----
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To: <gen-***@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III For Sir Marmaduke Beckwith, 3rd
Baronet


[snip]

> I've gathered more information on the Gascoignes of Sedbury, and
> another descent for Sir Marmaduke Beckwith from Joan Beaufort
> emerges. It is given below as Line L. Lines D and J have been
> adjusted from information from the following Descents of Edward III
> website:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/
>
> The website leaves out Generation D9, making William Gascoigne (D10)
> son of Richard Gascoigne (D8). But I used the Victoria County History
> account of Sedbury, which definitely puts a John Gascoigne between
> Richard & William, though it doesn't provide dates.
>
> D1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
> D2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
> D3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
> D4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see E3
> below), and had
> D5) Sir William Gascoigne m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
> D6) Henry Gascoigne, 3rd son, m. Isabel Boynton of Sedbury (d. 1545),
> and had
> D7) Sir Henry Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1558) m. Margaret Cholmley (d.
> 1570), and had
> D8) Richard Gascoigne of Sedbury (d. 1605) m. Jane Norton (see L5
> below), and had
> D9) Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury, who had
> D10) Sir William Gascoigne of Sedbury (c. 1568-1643) m. 1599 Barbara
> Anderson, and had
> D11) Isabel Gascoigne of Sedbury m. 1611 Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd
> Baronet (see A9 above)
>

FWIW, the Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury at D9 above is also not mentioned in
the pedigree of Gascoigne of Sedbury in Foster's edition of the Visitations
of Yorkshire [in this case the 1612 visitation] - although this is certainly
not conclusive evidence of his existence or non-existence. Does the VCH
account give any indication of its sources for this line? (I assume this is
not one of the VCH volumes availbale at British History On-line)

[Brad Verity]

On Apr 6, 5:23 pm, "John Higgins" <***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> FWIW, the Sir John Gascoigne of Sedbury at D9 above is also not mentioned in
> the pedigree of Gascoigne of Sedbury in Foster's edition of the Visitations
> of Yorkshire [in this case the 1612 visitation] - although this is certainly
> not conclusive evidence of his existence or non-existence. Does the VCH
> account give any indication of its sources for this line? (I assume this is
> not one of the VCH volumes availbale at British History On-line)

The account of the manor of Sedbury is in the Gilling West Wapentake
section of the VCH York North Riding, Vol. 1 (1914), pp. 71-80.
Hartforth Hall, one of the seats of the Nortons of Norton Conyers,
lies about 1.25 miles north of the Richmondshire village of Gilling,
on the route to the village of Hartforth. The Nortons, who had held
Hartforth since 1451 (it had come to them as a result of the Tempest
marriage), were granted the manor of Gilling in 1495. Also at the
north end of the village, about a mile up a by-road running south-
east, is Sedbury Hall, the seat of the lords of Sedbury manor. So
that explains the Gascoigne of Sedbury marriage to a Norton of
Hartforth/Norton Conyers.

[p. 79]: "His son Henry [Boynton], knighted in 1497, left a daughter
Isabel wife of Henry second son of Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe
[footnote: 'Visit. of Yorks.' (Harl. Soc.), 34.]. Isabel and Henry
had a son Henry, who was suceeded at Sedbury by his son Richard, his
grandson Sir John, and his great-grandson Sir William Gascoigne
[footnote: Whitaker, 'Richmondshire', i, 75; pedigree from Hopkinson's
MSS.]. Sir William Gascoigne had a grant of free warren in Sedbury in
1619-20 [footnote: Pat. 17 Jas. I, pt. vi, no. 17.]. He died in or
about 1641, having thirty-four years previously settled the manor on
his daughter and heir Isabel and her husband Marmaduke Wyvill of
Constable Burton, who succeeded to the baronetcy in 1618 [footnote:
Chan. Inq.p.m. (Ser. 2), ccccxcvi, 33; G.E.C. 'Baronetage', i, 103.]."

So it seems Whitaker's 'Richmondshire' and Hopkinson's MSS (I wonder
where - and what - that is) are the next two items to track down.

Cheers, -----------Brad

[Brad Verity]

[Just a note that it doesn't appear your message below, John, has posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval at Google Groups.]

>From: "John Higgins" <***@sbcglobal.net>

>Hopkinson may be John Hopkinson, for whom the FHL catalog has an entry for
>a
>work titled "A collection of the pedigrees and descents of several of the
>gentry of the West Riding of the county of York and elsewhere", available
>on
>microfilm via the FHL. Admittedly the West Riding is not the North Riding
>but the "and elsewhere" could cover it. The catalog entry describes it as
>a
>"copy of the compilation of John Hopkinson of Lofthouse, MS 11948".

That certainly sounds like the correct work. I'll have a look at it on my
next visit to the FHL, which sadly won't be until late summer or early fall.

>Whitaker's Richmondshire is also at the FHL, but only in book form, not on
>film. But the LA Central Library apparently has a copy of the books (and
>also has a copy of Surtees' Durham, FWIW).

Great! I'll be able to finish Foster's 1585/1612 Yorkshire Visitations
volume, plus do Surtees' Durham & Whitaker's Richmondshire in one Library
trip.

Thanks for passing all of this along, John.

Cheers, -------Brad

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[WJhonson]

In brief you are saying
Sir Henry Boynton m 1449 Isabel Lumley, was a son of Christopher Boynton d 1485 by Agnes Scrope dau of John Lord Scrope who d 1498

This is not chronologically possible for the following reasons.
John, 5th Lord Scrope is known to have been born 22 Jul 1438
Not only would his purported daughter Agnes be too young to be his mother, but even *her* purported father would be too young to have a son himself marrying in 1449

Rather I propose that Agnes (Scrope) Boynton was a daughter of Henry, 4th Lord Scrope of Bolton (b 1418 d 1459) by his wife (and cousin) Elizabeth le Scrope. Although, even with *this* parentage the chronology is stretched.

Will Johnson



In a message dated 04/07/07 12:06:49 Pacific Standard Time, Jwc1870 writes:
Dear Douglas and others,
According to The Colonial Genealogist
XI: numbers 3-4 article The Yorkshire Background of the Boyntons of Rowley by
Robert J Curfman, MA , FAS/hc, FSC Associatate Editor p 88 gives Sir Henry
Boynton of Sedbury and Castle Leavington j.u. Lord of Ravensworth, married 1449
Isabel Lumley, daughter and heir of Bertram Lumley, Lord of Ravensworth by whom
Isabel, wife of Sir Henry Gascoigne. Sir Henry Boynton was the son of Sir
Christopher Boynton of Over and Nether Sedbury who died 9 July 1485 by Agnes Scrope,
daughter of John, Lord Scrope of Bolton (died 1498). Agnes soon married Sir
Richard Ratcliffe (died 1485) KG, Counsellor to King Richard III, High Sheriff
of Westmoreland and Steward of Wakefield, Sir Christopher Boynton was the son
of Christopher Boynton Esq of Sedbury died 1451 and his 2nd wife (married
1438) Joan Strangeways,died 1488/9 daughter of Robert Strangeways of Skelton and
previously wife to Conan Barton, Lord of Whenby who died 1436
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA



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[Tim Powys-Lybbe]

In message of 10 Apr, WJhonson <***@aol.com> wrote:

> In brief you are saying
> Sir Henry Boynton m 1449 Isabel Lumley, was a son of Christopher
> Boynton d 1485 by Agnes Scrope dau of John Lord Scrope who d 1498
>
> This is not chronologically possible for the following reasons.
> John, 5th Lord Scrope is known to have been born 22 Jul 1438
> Not only would his purported daughter Agnes be too young to be his
> mother, but even *her* purported father would be too young to have a
> son himself marrying in 1449
>
> Rather I propose that Agnes (Scrope) Boynton was a daughter of Henry,
> 4th Lord Scrope of Bolton (b 1418 d 1459) by his wife (and cousin)
> Elizabeth le Scrope. Although, even with *this* parentage the
> chronology is stretched.

Some support to this is given by the entry for Boynton of Sedbury in the
Yorks visitation of 1584/5, pub Foster 1875, p. 4, where Agnes is shown
as the dau. of an otherwise unspecified Henry lord Scrope.

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I am not an expert on the Boynton line but some of the earliest part
of this discussion appears to collapse some generations. See:

Margaret Imrie, The Manor Houses of Burton Agnes and their Owners,
(1993), Hutton Press, p 118.
John F. Boynton, Boynton Directory (1884), CS 71.b 7926.
Douglas Boynton Quine, Boynton Genealogy 34 Generations at
http://www.quine.org/boynton.html.
VCH of the County of York North Riding, Vol., 2, (1923), pps 221-223,
366-371.
Blair, C. H. Hunter, ed., A Visitation of the North of England circa
1480-1500, (1930), Visitations of the North, Part III, Publications of
the Surtees Society, vol. 144, p 114.
Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 114
(Boynton pedigree).

As I understand it:

1. Sir Thomas B. d. 1299 m Katherine Rossell
2. Sir Thomas B. d. 1386 m. nn Ingleby and then Margaret Specton
3. Sir Henry B. d. 1405 m.m Elizabeth Merriefield
4. William B. d 1425 m. Jane Harding
5. Sir Thomas B. d. 1460 m Isabel Normanville
6a. Sir Henry B. d. 1485 m. Margaret de la See
7. Sir Thomas d. 1523 m. Cecily Strangeways
6b. Sir Christopher B. d 1451 m. Elizabeth Conyers
7. Sir Christopher B. d 1483m. Elizabeth de Wandesford

As a reconstruction of the early part of the family. That said,
Flower is not necessarily reliable. Please note that this is a
reconstruction, I am not saying that this is all proven. Good
hunting!

Doug Smith

[J***@aol.com]

Dear Will,
Quite right. Stirnet.com gives Agnes as the daughter of
Henry, Lord Scrope of Bolton .
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA



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[John Watson]

On Apr 10, 10:30 am, ***@aol.com wrote:
> Dear Will,
> Quite right. Stirnet.com gives Agnes as the daughter of
> Henry, Lord Scrope of Bolton .
> Sincerely,
> James W Cummings
> Dixmont, Maine USA
>
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Agnes Scrope, dau of Henry Scrope (1418-1459) living August 1498, m1
Sir Christopher Boynton of Sadbury,co. York, Knt. m2. ante 1498 Sir
Richard Radclyffe, of Sadbury, K.G. and Banneret; Slain at Bosworth
22 August 1485.
[The Controversy Between Sir Richard Scrope and Sir Robert Grosvenor,
Vol II, N. Harris Nicolas, 1832, p 60]

Regards,

John

[Brad Verity]

On Apr 9, 10:18 pm, "John Watson" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agnes Scrope, dau of Henry Scrope (1418-1459) living August 1498, m1
> Sir Christopher Boynton of Sadbury,co. York, Knt. m2. ante 1498 Sir
> Richard Radclyffe, of Sadbury, K.G. and Banneret; Slain at Bosworth
> 22 August 1485.
> [The Controversy Between Sir Richard Scrope and Sir Robert Grosvenor,
> Vol II, N. Harris Nicolas, 1832, p 60]

Dear John, James and Will,

Agnes Scrope, born 1445/50, was the fifth child and third daughter of
Henry, 4th Lord Scrope of Bolton, and his wife Elizabeth Scrope of
Masham. The death date of 7 July 1485 for her first husband
Christopher Boynton of Sedbury (not a knight) is incorrect - he died
in 1479. Agnes married 2ndly (shortly afterwards), Sir Richard
Ratcliffe, one of Richard III's closest advisors, who was killed at
Bosworth. Agnes was dead by July 1509, when her eldest child Henry
Boynton of Sedbury, received a pardon as her executor. By her first
husband, Agnes had two sons, Henry and John Boynton, and by her second
husband she had a son and a daughter, Richard and Isabel Ratcliffe
(see the bio of Sir Richard Ratcliffe by Rosemary Horrox in the new
Oxford DNB).

Cheers, ---------Brad

[j***@gmail.com]

Hi Brad

Are you still active with this post ?
I live in Aldborough and would be interested to hear from you

James

[Brad Verity]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 7:46:46 AM UTC-7, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Brad
> Are you still active with this post ?
> I live in Aldborough and would be interested to hear from you

Hello James,

I'm here, and have Sir Marmaduke Beckwith in my database, so I guess, yes, I'm still active with this post.

Cheers, ----Brad