[Trisquel-users] Trisquel 9 Needs A Name

[j***@bluehome.net]

A codename for Trisquel 9 will be needed soon. It's not needed very urgently,
but it would be good to have a name by next week.

Trisquel 9 will be based on the as-yet-unreleased Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic
Beaver."

Rules for names:
* Trisquel versions are named after Celtic gods.
* It should be a "searchable" name (that is, a name that doesn't have many
results on search engines, so we can "take it over." For example: Searching
for Flidas has Trisquel in the top results.

Our fearless leader will review suggestions and make a decision.

[j***@bluehome.net]

Oh, so as to avoid confusion it should also not re-use a name that's been
used before or that might be confusingly similar. Past names are:

1.0: Arianrhod
2.0: Robur
3.0: Dwyn
3.5: Awen
4.0: Taranis
4.5: Slaine
5.0: Dagda
5.5: Brigantia
6.0: Toutatis
7.0: Belenos
8.0: Flidas

[j***@airmail.cc]

Balor

[k***@yahoo.com]

Lucubus/Lucubus

[a***@member.fsf.org]

Samhain or Druid (ancient Celtic priesthood)

[i***@autistici.org]

I vote for Druid :)
it makes me remember Asterix&Obelix stories. Druids are old and kind men
creating magic somewhere in the village or forest to give a power for ones,
who want to defend the freedom of brave people living in Gaul.

[e***@riseup.net]

Pritona

[p***@laposte.net]

Epona is a godess as well. She is associated with horses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epona

It is a simple name.

[s***@openmailbox.org]

You will never get any reference to trisquel if you enter "epona" into your
search engine, since it will always show results about the horse from "the
legend of zelda".

[David Philipe Gil]

I actually think Triquel may be able to ride popularity of Legend of Zelda with a name like Epona.


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You will never get any reference to trisquel if you enter "epona" into your
search engine, since it will always show results about the horse from "the
legend of zelda".

[a***@member.fsf.org]

Or ... what about a Roman god? Janus, the god of gates, doors, and
beginnings. The month of January was named after Janus, who had two
faces​—one looking forward and the other looking backward, just like
Trisquel (the distro) looking up for you. Just a thought friends!

[s***@disintermedia.net.nz]

Janus is a cool god, but the same has already been used in tech:
https://janus.conf.meetecho.com/

[c***@posteo.de]

Also in goldeneye. ;)

meh...

[e***@riseup.net]

Abandinus would be hilarious and future-proof if Ruben ever gets tired of
pushing out new versions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandinus

[g***@riseup.net]

+1 for Abandinus

I absolutely prefer Abandinus \o/

If I may add one: Oblitus

[j***@protonmail.com]

supertamp83
oblītus m (feminine oblīta, neuter oblītum); first/second declension

forgotten
disregarded, neglected

Stop been a title molester..
lol

[g***@riseup.net]

Post by j***@protonmail.com
Stop been a title molester..

ok :P

[a***@member.fsf.org]

Abandinus ... the only issue that I see with this one is that in spanish it
sound like "abandonado", left out. And we don't want to give the impression
of Trisquel being abandon, left out .... :-)

[o***@riseup.net]

That's what makes it such a great name, though! :) It's a nice little in-joke
about all the drama and speculation about Trisquel being... abandoned. ;)

[7***@posteo.de]

I like funny names that aren't ridiculous per se.
Great one

[j***@protonmail.com]

gnu-bori

awesome skull and flag! are you from the Island or raised in the USA,?

About abandinus

Abandinus was a name used to refer to a Celtic god or male spirit worshipped
in Godmanchester in Cambridgeshire during the Romano-Celtic period.

Abandinus - "Defender of the Waters"

Known as ‘Defender of the Waters,’ not much is known of the Celtic god
Abandinus, save for an inscription on a bronze votive found in
Cambridgeshire, England which read “To the god Abandinus, Vatiaucus gave
this from his own money.”


Diccionario de la lengua española © 2005 Espasa-Calpe:
abandonar conjugar ⇒

tr. Dejar, desamparar:
abandonar a un bebé.
Desistir, renunciar:
abandonar una idea. También intr.:
no abandones.
Dejar un lugar:
abandonar la casa.
prnl. Dejarse dominar por afectos, pasiones o vicios:
abandonarse a la bebida, a la suerte.
Descuidar los intereses, las obligaciones, el aseo personal o la
compostura:
se ha abandonado mucho.
Rendirse ante las adversidades:
debe luchar contra su enfermedad y no abandonarse.

[7***@posteo.de]

Camulus (Camulos, Camalos) is a god of war and sky.
Other terms that might be found are a German band (spelled Camulos) and a
museum called Rancho Camulos. Those don't rank very high in the searches I
made.

[s***@disintermedia.net.nz]

What about Etiona?

"Etiona is a Celtic goddess worshipped in Gaul; she is known only from
inscriptions in Etrechy, France, where she was accompanied by her fellow
deities Carantana, Isosa, Gnatus, and Hidua ... The origin of Etiona’s name
is unclear. I have seen it suggested that it derives from the Proto-Celtic
*ett(n)jo or “kernel” and that this indicates that she is a goddess of
wisdom (i.e. “kernel of knowledge”) but I wonder if it could equally well
indicate a connection to agriculture or food stores."
https://hearthfirehandworks.com/about-the-gods/gaulish-and-brythonic-celtic-gods/etiona/

A name derived from an ancient word for kernel seems like a good GNU-Linux
name, although it could also be a good name for a libre fork of the Linux
kernel.

[s***@disintermedia.net.nz]

Or what about Garmangabis?
"‘those who consider the bare of the weaver’, British goddess
of fortune that is revered in Lancashire, northwest England. The Romans
brought her to England."
http://www.sangreal.be/Downloads/Celtic_Gods.pdf

[l***@mac.com]

Congratulations on suggesting the name that got picked!

[s***@protonmail.com]

Why does it need to be a Celtic god?

Just wondering:)

[j***@bluehome.net]

"Why does it need to be a Celtic god?"

I don't suppose it "needs" to be anything right? But to follow with
tradition. You may as well ask why does Debian need to be named after Toy
Story characters or why Ubuntu needs an adjective+animal combination. Or why
any particular distro needs to be named in any particular way. Because
someone, somewhere, made that decision. And this naming system is what
Trisquel is using. Any naming system will be arbitrary so let's enjoy ours
and get back to our regularly scheduled progrmaming and try to come up with
names for Trisquel 9.

[j***@protonmail.com]

jxself

"Why does it need to be a Celtic god?"
why not catholic, orthodox, Arabic names, Hebrew, Asian, mundane or biblical
names?

in the other hand as names?
here is my list
-priscal
s. m. Lugar en el campo donde se recogen los ganados por la noche

Cristal
glass of fine quality and a high degree of brilliance

[s***@protonmail.com]

Post by j***@bluehome.net
I don't suppose it "needs" to be anything right?

Fantastic!:) I love openness and fluidity! :D

I have limited/none programming skills/knowledge and I have never been part
of any software project. Bear that in mind when I'm asking following
question:

Is there any reason why it cannot be simply "Trisquel 9", "Trisquel9",
"TrisquelNine" etc?:)

[e***@riseup.net]

It is called Trisquel 9, but it has a code name. having code names is
long-standing practice in computer software development.

[j***@bluehome.net]

"Is there any reason why it cannot be simply "Trisquel 9", "Trisquel9",
"TrisquelNine" etc?:)"

Yes: It does not follow the tradition to name releases after Celtic gods.

[i***@gmail.com]

What about Morrigan, goddess of War?

[g***@riseup.net]

What about Callahan, god of .44 Magnum?

[e***@riseup.net]

Callahan:"These free libre distros are like assholes -- everybody has one."

[i***@gmail.com]

What about "Anand"?

[e***@riseup.net]

Maybe we should name them after kings? Reminds me of Ananda Mahidol.

[i***@gmail.com]

I vote for "Artur" without the h.

[p***@tutanota.com]

I like Convetina the godess of water

[p***@riseup.net]

Seahorse, sea horse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seahorse

[s***@openmailbox.org]

I think just listing names won't do so much good here, we will just get a
copy of the wikipedia list in the end...
maybe this time our beloved voting system can come in handy for once and be
used for ... well, for voting.

So, I personally like the name "Convetina".

If you're also in favor of convetina, then please VOTE UP :)

[m***@icloud.com]

voting system can come in handy for once and be used for ...

I have thought that too! I vote for that your idea +1. But I suppose too
strict is fragile. Sometimes it needs play. Anyway, It was surprised a bit,
"is he satori"?

[g***@riseup.net]

Post by s***@openmailbox.org
maybe this time our beloved voting system can come in handy for once and be

used for ... well, for voting.

+1 was just given to Abandinus

[f***@members.fsf.org]

My two cents:

I don't have a particular preference, but I think it should definitely be a
*female* name.

That would be a small but significant sign of not following the dominant
patriarchy in technology (and in society in general).

Happy hacking!

[m***@icloud.com]

What about Miss Heyjoe?

[s***@protonmail.com]

Definitively! I vote for Miss Heyjoe

[m***@icloud.com]

I win this election.

[f***@members.fsf.org]

Post by m***@icloud.com
What about Miss Heyjoe?

I'm may be missing something, but I don't get it..

[o***@riseup.net]

"Patriarchy in technology". Riiiight.

In case my sarcasm doesn't show through clearly enough, please do *not* turn
Trisquel into an SJW "muh womens representation" distro. "Female" is not a
part of Trisquel's naming scheme; Trisquel releases are named after Celtic
gods, either male *or* female. In fact, take a look at the past names: five
of them are female, five of them are male, and one of them is unisex. Maybe
actually look into what the distro is doing before shouting "patriarchy" and
trying to inject your identity politics where they don't belong.

[e***@riseup.net]

I think software should always be female. Like ships.

[7***@posteo.de]

I whole-heartedly agree.
There is a set naming scheme for Trisquel releases, we should go with that as
it stands and there is not reason to introduce any arbitrary rules.

It doesn't matter if the release code names are of male *or* female god*esses
or one that's unisex, for lack of a better word, because that's not the
*point*.
The argument is akin to discussing whether a release milestone should be
named after a small or large clothing size, or it being a one-size-fits-all
release name.

[s***@protonmail.com]

Please do not shoot down other people's suggestions and rant about why they
are bad.

Do instead suggest something yourself.

[s***@protonmail.com]

For the record: I agree with Fil

[o***@riseup.net]

I was "shooting down" a female supremacist trying to inject female supremacy
where it doesn't belong.

This thread is not about changing Trisquel's naming system. Trisquel already
*has* a naming system which includes both male *and* female names, and
incidentally, it has exactly equal representation of male and female names as
of Trisquel 8.

Furthermore, it is you and Fil who are categorically shooting down every
possible male name that could be on the table, including the "Abandinus"
suggestion above that multiple people (myself included) like. So your "please
do not shoot down suggestions" response is hypocritical.

[m***@icloud.com]

Now, now. What about lining up with the gods' name here? One post per one
god. Then the author decides time limit. Then an user votes for her favorite.
No trouble, no disorder, no chaos, if there is no problem.

[c***@posteo.de]

Didn't even think female supremacists existed... Although that in hindsight
might have been a silly thing for me to think.

Abandinus isn't a bad name, as long as people get the inside joke. heh..

But meh...

[f***@members.fsf.org]

First of all, I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings with my simple and
humble suggestion. I'm sorry if I did hurt yours.

Post by o***@riseup.net
I was "shooting down" a female supremacist trying to inject female supremacy

where it doesn't belong.

For the sake of clarity:
I'm a "white heterosexual middle-class man" (yuck!). I'm definitely no female
supremacist. And I don't like the idea of anybody's "supremacy" over anybody
else. Be it of any kind.

Post by o***@riseup.net
Furthermore, it is you and Fil who are categorically shooting down every

possible male name

I think you're mistaking me for somebody else. I wrote nothing about other
people's suggestions nor did I "shoot down" any name.
I just dropped down my own two cents, simply put. I have no intention to turn
this thread into any discussion of any kind, other that its original purpose.

Again.. I said mine. Nothing more.
You did all the rest.

[o***@riseup.net]

Post by f***@members.fsf.org
I don't have a particular preference, but I think it should definitely be a

*female* name.

Post by f***@members.fsf.org
That would be a small but significant sign of not following the dominant

patriarchy in technology (and in society in general).

You offered no suggestion for a name to use. You just said that it "should"
be female, which implies that it "should" not be male, i.e. that you are
categorically opposed to all male name suggestions. This is a female
supremacist attitude, and your justification for this is the vague
"patriarchy", the typical female supremacist excuse. You being male has no
bearing on whether or not what you are championing is female supremacy.

Post by f***@members.fsf.org
I just dropped down my own two cents, simply put. I have no intention to

turn this thread into any discussion of any kind

In other words, you're willing to spread propaganda to support your bigoted
ideology where it doesn't belong, but you aren't willing to actually defend
it in a discussion.

A word of advice: if you aren't willing to follow up on something, such as by
answering to the fact that Trisquel has exactly equal representation of the
sexes as of Trisquel 8 and therefore doesn't fit into your "patriarchy"
narrative, don't post it in the first place.

[f***@members.fsf.org]

I now see I could've done a mistake in the first place, by posting what was
meant to be a naive and peaceful comment.

It's now evident to me that my initial wording wasn't perfectly chosen to
reflect the naive intent of my comment.

You just said that it "should" be female, which implies that it "should" not

be male, i.e. that you are categorically opposed to all male name
suggestions.

I'm not a native english speaker, but you seem to be, so I guess your
exegesis of my words is to be considered accurate.
If that's the case, I must make ammends for messing up with words:
I am not opposed to giving Trisuel 9 a male name.
I'm totally ok with male names.

Furthermore, I'd like to assure you and everybody else that I did not want to
start any "sex equality" quarrel, and the intent behind my original post had
nothing to do with that.
If my words did suggest such a scenario, then *it's my own fault* and I'm
sorry about all the noise.

I also want to make clear that I have no agenda to be pushed on this forum.

A word of advice: (....)

Got it.
I'd give you mine, If I may... most of the times, harsh quarrels can be
avoided by giving others the "benefit of the doubt", instead of blindly
pinning names on them before they have the opportunity to clarify their
intentions..

That said, I have no acrimony on you personally. I think we just took an
unfortunate path of misunderstanding.

Peace.

[s***@protonmail.com]

When a person proposes a name, that person is "categorically opposed" to
every other proposal?

What Fit did was proposing an entire group of names, hence he was "opposed
to" all the other groups, which is a natural biproduct of proposing things.

What you did was attacking his proposal and questioning his intentions.

[o***@riseup.net]

I see I haven't been very diplomatic with my posts. To all involved parties,
I apologize, and I'll try to do better next time.

[s***@disintermedia.net.nz]

Hey onpon, it's good of you to say this, and I'm happy to be part of a
community where we value being friendly and welcoming, and where it's ok and
earns respect to admit when things go wrong. Respect.

For the record, I sympathize with the point you were making. As you know, I'm
pretty good as laying on the rhetorical flushes myself, but in hindsight, I
think just stating the facts about the genders of past names would have made
your point for you. I didn't know many of the past names were female, and it
was good to find out. Thanks to you for sharing the knowledge, and to Fil for
making the comment that allowed the knowledge to be shared :)

[l***@gmail.com]

Post by f***@members.fsf.org
I'm a "white heterosexual middle-class man" (yuck!). I'm definitely no

female supremacist. And I don't like the idea of anybody's "supremacy" over
anybody else. Be it of any kind.

You mind explaining the (yuck!) that you included after listing what you are?

[s***@disintermedia.net.nz]

Irony? Self-deprecating humour?

[l***@gmail.com]

Female supremacy? Lol, I don't think Fil is the "SJW" here.

[n***@gnu.eu]

Trisquel 9 -> Lugus

Post by f***@members.fsf.org
I don't have a particular preference, but I think it should definitely be a

*female* name.
Flidas is a female figure in Irish Mythology

[j***@disroot.org]

Creidhne. The god of metalworkers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creidhne

[l***@mac.com]

Perhaps this list would be useful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celtic_deities

[m***@icloud.com]

Oh, this thread might get a record posts. There was a problem. Thanks.

[l***@mac.com]

A few recommendations:

Telesphorus. The name (via false cognates) suggests telecommunications and
light, which in this age of the internet, fiber optics, and glowing screens,
fits computers well. The name apparently actually means "accomplisher" or
"bringer of completion" which would be fitting once the distro is released.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telesphorus_(mythology)

Neto. Easy to say and pronounce. Worshipped by ancient Celts in the Iberian
peninsula, which fits Trisquel's origins as being targeted to
Celtic-descended people in a region of Spain. Downside for some is that this
was a god of war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neto_(deity)

Ériu. Old name for Éire, the patron goddess of pre Christian Ireland. Its
appeal to the Irish and their diaspora could be seen as a feature (since the
Irish are the largest Celtic group worldwide) but also a bug, obscuring
Trisquel's Galician origins.

Llŷr. Has a very Celtic feel without being too difficult to spell. Too
specifically Welsh-sounding?

Clíona (a more accessible spelling of Clíodhna). A pleasant ring to the
name, with some pleasant aspects to the myth, such as being a goddess of love
and beauty. Downside: some beliefs about her were of her as a banshee, a
wailing mourner of the dead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cl%C3%ADodhna.

[t***@moprivacy.33mail.com]

If we were to go with Neto, the pronounciation could be "neat-o" ;)

[e***@riseup.net]

Agostinho Neto

[l***@openmailbox.org]

This once I would like a name that ends with a vowel, such as Secuana or
Habrena. Anyway, both are gods associated with rivers; this is suitable for
the new version: if Ubuntu 18.04 is a beaver, we can give him a place to live
in freedom. ;)

[c***@free.fr]

I really like Etiona so I upvoted this post.

My proposal for a feminine name :

Oanuava: ancient Gallic earth goddess, a mother goddess who is regional
revered as the source from which all life flows.

(source)

[c***@free.fr]

My proposal for a masculine name :

Mabon: Welsh god of freedom, harmony, unity, music and youth, known as the
son of the Great Mother.

(source)

[d***@openmailbox.org]

It should be a "searchable" name (that is, a name that doesn't have many
results on search engines, so we can "take it over." For example: Searching
for Flidas has Trisquel in the top results.Just a (not-too-thoroughly though
out, I have to say) thought but surely searching for a name we can "take
over" won't help (since that means anyone searching for Flidas now is
probably looking for Trisquel anyway and would just type "Trisquel Flidas"
without being in the slightest deterred", whereas going for a name that's
"taken over" on e.g. Google (i.e. has a lot of people searching for it
already) would instead expose Trisquel to people who otherwise would've had
no chance of encountering it?

tl;dr: wouldn't actively going for a name not taken over by anything be a bit
of a preaching to the choir thing not exposing more people to Trisquel?

[j***@bluehome.net]

Trisquel 9 now has a name!!!

https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-90-development-plans

[n***@nospam.com]

I think jxself is a god. We should have named it after him!

:)

Aiming to have had the subsequent Trisquel based on Bionic Beaver is, I
sense, at the same time both over-ambitious and underambitious.

[g***@riseup.net]

Trixself :)

[z***@protonmail.com]

Vivi, Dina, Meela, Sally, Polina, Bela, Leya

[g***@riseup.net]

Bella Lena