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Koita nomizw oti den me katalabes
auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai koinothtes sthn =
pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...
To briskw dyskolo na milshsw gia ta proswpika ta opoia den einai gnwsta me =
leptomereies alla panw katw olloi to piasane to yponooumeno,
to zhthma einai ti kaneis se authn thn periptwsh, nomizw h kalyterh apanths=
h einai na ton agnoeis den ginete alliws=20
bgeneis les ena mpineliki pernaei h wra, to na les giati den lete eseis oi =
alloi kati den boh0aei esena (oxi oti xreizese boh0eia) alla oute thn lista=
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o ka0enas edw mesa exei to kollhma tou egw me ta mikropolitika kai thn paok=
ara, o tranos me tis rwssides, o periklhs me ta fagwsima kai thn glwssa aut=
hn thn opoa egw tsekourwnw ka0hmerina oxi to psari, o thomas me ton skeboul=
h kai ton 0eo, o skeboulhs me ton thomas kai ton olympiako kai paei legwnta=
s...=20
bgainei o skeboulhs rixnei ena xontro mpineliki ston thomas bgainei o thoma=
s tou rixnei ena pisw egw ti xreiazomai se authn thn periptwsh?
Exw riksei ki gw ouk oliga kai exw faei ki egw, tetoia einai h Hellas twra =
0a thn ma0oume?
Mporw na pw me sigouria oti o Kastanas den prosferei kai polla sthn lista m=
ias kai ta misa tou mynhmata den ta katalabainw alla kai pali auth einai mi=
a proswpikh gnwmh, akomh kai an einai alh0eia se ti 0a xrhshmeue an egw emp=
ena tou erixna mpinelikia anti gia ton amesa 0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw =
kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)
Den einai loipon oti den mou kanei oute kryo oute zesth oute oti den exw eg=
w thn gnwmh gia auta pou diabazw kai krinw alla akomh ki an pw: re sy eisai=
malakas 0a ginei tipote? gi auto akomh kai brisies pou face to face 0a me =
estelnan sthn fylakh sto net tis psilo agnow kai tis apantaw sto idio epipe=
do. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me problhmatise edw mesa p=
olles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apo=
pseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafni=
ka pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai pio sobaro apo to na mou pei kapoios g=
amiete h mana sou, pou einai profanhs alh0eia etsi? Bebaia ela pesto mou k=
ata proswpo einai allo 0ema auto. eimaste mia hlektronikh koinwnia kai nomi=
zw oti ws tetoia diepete apo diaforetikous kanones auto yposthrizw egw...
Yparxoun oria sto internet? den kserw den eimai sigouros ki egw psaxnomai s=
e auto to 0ema......
Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, espe=
cially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:53:03 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
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An den eimaste emeis, h hellas, 15 atoma poy gnwrizomaste panw apo 10=20
xronia, koinothta online poios einai re pappoy? Den ka8omaste bebaia na=20
syzhtame ta proswpika mas edw mesa, alla dyo treis syzhthseis sobares 'h=
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gia na gelasoyme, tis kanoyme.
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To 8ema toy Kastana me tsatizei giati xronia, prose3e, oxi meres, oxi=20
mhnes, XRONIA, bgainei kai leei tis malakies toy sthn hellas otan to=20
8ymatai. De leei apolytws tipote allo. De symmetexei se tipote allo edw=20
mesa. Bgainei kai me prokalei, xwris kamia apolytws proklhsh dikh moy.=20
Kai otan men alloi to gamoysan to 8ema, h lista ('h toylaxiston enas 'h=20
dyo) ebgainan kai elegan mia koybenta, edw de milaei kaneis! Kai o=20
blakas, nomizontas oti ton pairnei, synexizei th malakia kai 8a th=20
synexizei oso ton pairnei. Oxi re Akh, de 8elw oyte perimenw na me=20
"yperaspistei" kaneis, giati eimai xontropetsos do3a tw 8ew, apla 8elw=20
na katalabw, KANEIS pia den endiaferetai na rwthsei ton Kastana poio to=20
kolhma toy mazi moy? 'H toylaxiston o,ti exei na to lysei me proswpika=20
mazi moy 'h sth lista toy 'h ston psyxiatro? Oxi pws me endiaferei=20
bebaia na "lysw" kanena "problhma" me ton Kastana, alla leme twra.
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Ti skata, pleon, prosferei se ayth th lista o hli8ios o Kastanas pera=20
apo to na bgainei, opote me 8ymatai, na me leei gyfto 'h kai gw den 3erw=
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ti allo xwris na ton exw prokalesei (giati den me endiaferei).
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Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta de=
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sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face=20
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy=20
Kastana, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,=20
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me=20
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Kastanas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti=20
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon=20
oloys edw mesa.
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SCD
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Post by Constantine ThomasSpyro,
ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta to leei ki o Swthrhs poly=
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Post by Constantine Thomaskai gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia retsina me to=20
palikari (den eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na=
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Post by Constantine Thomasmpw se authn thn kontra....
Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para to gegonos oti=20
gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me enan allon mporei na=20
einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw mesa alla re s=
y=20
Post by Constantine Thomaseinai opws kai na to kanoume proswpiko...
Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia=20
apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou kai=
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Post by Constantine Thomasexei mpei sto xronontoulapo alla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den=
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Post by Constantine Thomaseimai kai 100% ti na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?
Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton=20
gnwrizw proswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane=20
tis asxhmies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous n=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomaspe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw=
,=20
Post by Constantine Thomasainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou top=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomaskai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan bre0oum=
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Post by Constantine Thomasproswpo me proswpo and i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh=20
opws kai na to kanoume prokeite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn=20
pws 0a mpei enas tritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na=
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Post by Constantine Thomaspw kati sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine=20
mono ta mpinelikia eida...
Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet kai to web=20
exoun kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil=20
society alla egw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se=20
mia koinothta an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh po=
u=20
Post by Constantine Thomasexw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allo=
n=20
Post by Constantine Thomasapo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na er0oum=
e=20
Post by Constantine Thomasse epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn=20
gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arketous apo retsines se diafor=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomasmerh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... alla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola=
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Post by Constantine Thomaskseperniete.... Katalabainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei=20
alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw mes=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomasden mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia=20
hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...
sto katw katw to les kai monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5=20
gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a=20
allaze an egw (to blepw proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn=
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Post by Constantine Thomaslista) as poume elega kastana eisai malakas?
telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw=
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Post by Constantine Thomasla0os re paidia?
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Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed,=
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Post by Constantine Thomasespecially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw =
pws
Post by Constantine Thomaseinai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspist=
ei
Post by Constantine Thomasalla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidouWs palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.
L.
Post by Spyros DaskaleasAnte gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na
pei kaneis.
SCD
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Koita nomizw oti den me katalabes<br>auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinoth=
tes online den einai koinothtes sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh=
einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...<br>To briskw dyskolo na milshsw gia ta pr=
oswpika ta opoia den einai gnwsta me leptomereies alla panw katw olloi to p=
iasane to yponooumeno,<br>to zhthma einai ti kaneis se authn thn periptwsh,=
nomizw h kalyterh apanthsh einai na ton agnoeis den ginete alliws <br>bgen=
eis les ena mpineliki pernaei h wra, to na les giati den lete eseis oi allo=
i kati den boh0aei esena (oxi oti xreizese boh0eia) alla oute thn lista <br=
o ka0enas edw mesa exei to kollhma tou egw me ta mikropolitika kai thn pao=
kara, o tranos me tis rwssides, o periklhs me ta fagwsima kai thn glwssa au=
thn thn opoa egw tsekourwnw ka0hmerina oxi to psari, o thomas me ton skebou=
lh kai ton 0eo, o skeboulhs me ton thomas kai ton olympiako kai paei legwnt=
as... <br>bgainei o skeboulhs rixnei ena xontro mpineliki ston thomas bgain=
ei o thomas tou rixnei ena pisw egw ti xreiazomai se authn thn periptwsh?<b=
r>Exw riksei ki gw ouk oliga kai exw faei ki egw, tetoia einai h Hellas twr=
a 0a thn ma0oume?<br>Mporw na pw me sigouria oti o Kastanas den prosferei k=
ai polla sthn lista mias kai ta misa tou mynhmata den ta katalabainw alla k=
ai pali auth einai mia proswpikh gnwmh, akomh kai an einai alh0eia se ti 0a=
xrhshmeue an egw empena tou erixna mpinelikia anti gia ton amesa 0igomeno?=
(oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono thn boh0eia mo=
u den xreiazese:-)<br>Den einai loipon oti den mou kanei oute kryo oute zes=
th oute oti den exw egw thn gnwmh gia auta pou diabazw kai krinw alla akomh=
ki an pw: re sy eisai malakas 0a ginei tipote? gi auto akomh kai brisies p=
ou face to face 0a me estelnan sthn fylakh sto net tis psilo agnow kai tis =
apantaw sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me p=
roblhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai prepei=
na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera epeixhrhmata=
h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai pio sobaro apo t=
o na mou pei kapoios gamiete h mana sou, pou einai profanhs alh0eia etsi?&n=
bsp; Bebaia ela pesto mou kata proswpo einai allo 0ema auto. eimaste mia hl=
ektronikh koinwnia kai nomizw oti ws tetoia diepete apo diaforetikous kanon=
es auto yposthrizw egw...<br>Yparxoun oria sto internet? den kserw den eima=
i sigouros ki egw psaxnomai se auto to 0ema......<br><br>Papous<br>"There a=
re no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, especially i=
f he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy<br> <br><br><=
br>> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:53:03 +0000<br>> From: ***@DASKALEA=
S.COM<br>> Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns<br>> To: ***@LI=
STS.PSU.EDU<br>> <br>> An den eimaste emeis, h hellas, 15 atoma poy g=
nwrizomaste panw apo 10 <br>> xronia, koinothta online poios einai re pa=
ppoy? Den ka8omaste bebaia na <br>> syzhtame ta proswpika mas edw mesa, =
alla dyo treis syzhthseis sobares 'h <br>> gia na gelasoyme, tis kanoyme=
.<br>> <br>> To 8ema toy Kastana me tsatizei giati xronia, prose3e, o=
xi meres, oxi <br>> mhnes, XRONIA, bgainei kai leei tis malakies toy sth=
n hellas otan to <br>> 8ymatai. De leei apolytws tipote allo. De symmete=
xei se tipote allo edw <br>> mesa. Bgainei kai me prokalei, xwris kamia =
apolytws proklhsh dikh moy. <br>> Kai otan men alloi to gamoysan to 8ema=
, h lista ('h toylaxiston enas 'h <br>> dyo) ebgainan kai elegan mia koy=
benta, edw de milaei kaneis! Kai o <br>> blakas, nomizontas oti ton pair=
nei, synexizei th malakia kai 8a th <br>> synexizei oso ton pairnei. Oxi=
re Akh, de 8elw oyte perimenw na me <br>> "yperaspistei" kaneis, giati =
eimai xontropetsos do3a tw 8ew, apla 8elw <br>> na katalabw, KANEIS pia =
den endiaferetai na rwthsei ton Kastana poio to <br>> kolhma toy mazi mo=
y? 'H toylaxiston o,ti exei na to lysei me proswpika <br>> mazi moy 'h s=
th lista toy 'h ston psyxiatro? Oxi pws me endiaferei <br>> bebaia na "l=
ysw" kanena "problhma" me ton Kastana, alla leme twra.<br>> <br>> Ti =
skata, pleon, prosferei se ayth th lista o hli8ios o Kastanas pera <br>>=
apo to na bgainei, opote me 8ymatai, na me leei gyfto 'h kai gw den 3erw <=
> > Spyro,<br>> > ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubent=
a to leei ki o Swthrhs poly <br>> > kai gia na pw tou strabou to diki=
o exw piei kai mia retsina me to <br>> > palikari (den eimoun kai sto=
n porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na <br>> > mpw se authn thn k=
ontra....<br>> > Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para=
to gegonos oti <br>> > gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei m=
e enan allon mporei na <br>> > einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei poll=
a ta matia mas edw mesa alla re sy <br>> > einai opws kai na to kanou=
me proswpiko...<br>> > Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxi=
se o kaugas eixa mia <br>> > apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hell=
as, bghka apo thn lista tou kai <br>> > exei mpei sto xronontoulapo a=
lla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den <br>> > eimai kai 100% ti =
na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?<br>> > Kai gia ton filo ton s=
wthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton <br>> > gnwrizw proswpika=
, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane <br>> > tis asxh=
mies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous na <br>> &=
gt; pe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw=
, <br>> > ainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gami=
ete? tou topa <br>> > kai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti =
0a tou kanw otan bre0oume <br>> > proswpo me proswpo and i moved on).=
Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh <br>> > opws kai na to kanoume prok=
eite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn <br>> > pws 0a mpei enas t=
ritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na <br>> > pw kati =
sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine <br>> > =
mono ta mpinelikia eida...<br>> > Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti =
oi listes sto internet kai to web <br>> > exoun kanei ena global comm=
unity kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil <br>> > society alla egw den =
eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se <br>> > mia koinotht=
a an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh pou <br>> > =
exw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allon <b=
r>> > apo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume n=
a er0oume <br>> > se epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw g=
ia diafouros thn <br>> > gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arke=
tous apo retsines se diafora <br>> > merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... a=
lla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola <br>> > kseperniete.... Katala=
bainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei <br>> > alla etsi to b=
lepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw mesa <br>> > de=
n mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia <br>>=
> hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...<br>> > sto katw katw to les kai monos so=
u den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5 <br>> > gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo=
0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a <br>> > allaze an egw (to blep=
w proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn <br>> > lista) as p=
oume elega kastana eisai malakas?<br>> > telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0=
ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw <br>> > la0os re paidia?<b=
r>> > <br>> > Papous<br>> > "There are no conditions of l=
ife to which a man cannot get accustomed, <br>> > especially if he se=
es them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy<br>> > <br>> &g=
t; <br>> > <br>> > > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000<=
br>> > > From: ***@DASKALEAS.COM<br>> > > Subject: R=
e: Statistika tns ekpaideusns<br>> > > To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU<b=
r>> > ><br>> > > Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kami=
a, apla den mporw na katalabw pws<br>> > > einai dynaton ENAS an8=
rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei<br>> > > alla ap=
la na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den<br>> > &=
gt; asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.<br>> > ><br>> > &g=
t; Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.<br>> > ><br>> > > SCD<br>>=
> ><br>> > > lida anestidou wrote:<br>> > > >=
; Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena<br>> > > > ekat=
ommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th<br>> > > > 8es=
h, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi<br>> > > > mh=
nes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.<br>> > > ><br>> > &g=
t; > Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei<br>> > &=
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