Occupational Health and Safety under a re-eected Howrd Government.

[John - Melb]

More than 3 million Australians to benefit from Increased Support
From Prime Minister - The Hon John Howard MP
I am pleased to announce today that a re-elected Coalition Government
will ensure older Australians, people with disabilities and carers
share in the benefits of Australia's strongly growing economy.

<SNIP>

What about people with disabilities caused by unsafe work practices?

The Howard Government, if re-elected, has already flagged how it is
going to gut Occupational Health and Safety legilation Australia
wide..

You like the idea of electing a health and safety rep, under a re-
elected Howard Government health and safety reps will be appointed by
the employer.

You like the fact your health and safety rep can ask for assistance
from outside agencies in resolving any issue, under a re-elected Howrd
Government, that will be not allowed without first showing "just
cause" to your employer.

You like the idea that your union can enter your worksite to
investiigate matter adversly effecting your healt and safety, under a
re-elected Howards Government, that will be "verboten"

You like the idea that health and safety rep can order the ceasing of
unsafe practices, under a re-elected Hpoward Government, that idea
will be gone.

A vote for the Howard Government is a vote for massive numbers of
workplace deaths and injuries, Australia wide.

If you want to see 16 year old apprentices in hospital with arms
ripped off through the use of unguarded machinery, then by all means
vote for Howard.

If you want to see people sick and dying from the use of dangerous
chemicals without proper protective equipment, vote for Howard.

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by John - Melb

More than 3 million Australians to benefit from Increased Support
From Prime Minister - The Hon John Howard MP
I am pleased to announce today that a re-elected Coalition Government
will ensure older Australians, people with disabilities and carers
share in the benefits of Australia's strongly growing economy.

<SNIP>
What about people with disabilities caused by unsafe work practices?
The Howard Government, if re-elected, has already flagged how it is
going to gut Occupational Health and Safety legilation Australia
wide..
You like the idea of electing a health and safety rep, under a re-
elected Howard Government health and safety reps will be appointed by
the employer.

Your proof?

Post by John - Melb
You like the fact your health and safety rep can ask for assistance
from outside agencies in resolving any issue, under a re-elected Howrd
Government, that will be not allowed without first showing "just
cause" to your employer.

So?

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that your union can enter your worksite to
investiigate matter adversly effecting your healt and safety, under a
re-elected Howards Government, that will be "verboten"

As it should be now. The last palce a workplace needs is a fat arse
union wanker poking about where it has no idea of what it is poking
its fat nose into.

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that health and safety rep can order the ceasing of
unsafe practices, under a re-elected Hpoward Government, that idea
will be gone.

Where's the evidence, uniwanker?

Post by John - Melb
A vote for the Howard Government is a vote for massive numbers of
workplace deaths and injuries, Australia wide.

Any proof of your bullshit?

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see 16 year old apprentices in hospital with arms
ripped off through the use of unguarded machinery, then by all means
vote for Howard.

Any proof of your bullshit?

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see people sick and dying from the use of dangerous
chemicals without proper protective equipment, vote for Howard.

Same again, shit stain, put up or fuck off.

[John - Melb]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
Any proof of your bullshit?

Yep, documents issued at the Worksafe Victoria sponsored Occupational
Health and Safety Reps conference I attended in Melbourne on the 24th
of this month.

As for a "fat arse union wanker" putting his nose in, the Industrial
Officer who covers my industry has worked in that industry for
seventeen years, dickhead.

Ensure your brain is engaged before putting your mouth in motion,
fool.

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
Any proof of your bullshit?

Yep, documents

Documents from what source, piss stain?

[John - Melb]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
Documents from what source, piss stain?

Documents issued at a Worksafe sponsored OHS Conference you fucking
moron.

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
Documents from what source, piss stain?

Documents issued at a Worksafe sponsored OHS Conference you fucking
moron.

What's up, piss stain, pressure getting to you?

So, one more time, you brain dead fuckwit.

You refer to documents.

Now, where did the documents come from?

Who researched and wrote the documents?

What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

[John - Melb]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

So, they're "alleged" documents now?

They exist, now, do you have something to add to this discussion apart
from childish name-calling?

If not, you can fuck off now.

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

So, they're "alleged" documents now?

So, one more time, you brain dead fuckwit.

You refer to documents.

Now, where did the documents come from?

Who researched and wrote the documents?

What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

How would your alleged document write know anything about legislation
which has not yer been written?

Put up or shut up, numb nuts.

My money says your alleged documents are union/government bullshit.

[John - Melb]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing

Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

So, they're "alleged" documents now?

So, one more time, you brain dead fuckwit.
You refer to documents.
Now, where did the documents come from?
Who researched and wrote the documents?
What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?
How would your alleged document write know anything about legislation
which has not yer been written?
Put up or shut up, numb nuts.
My money says your alleged documents are union/government bullshit.

My money says you're nothing but a Liberal Party "Bully-Boy", who
clearly has nothing to contribute to this discussion but childish name-
calling.

You can fuck off now.

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

So, they're "alleged" documents now?
They exist,

So put up or shut up.

Clearly you are a brain dead brain washed union arse fucker with no
intelligence and no evidence to back up your blatant lies about
legislation which has not yet been either proposed or written.

Consider yourself exposed as a lying fuckwit, comrade.

THREAD == DEAD

[Gregory Shearman]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing

Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
What was the position of the person/s who inserted the alleged
documents into your grubby little paws?

So, they're "alleged" documents now?
They exist,

So put up or shut up.
Clearly you are a brain dead brain washed union arse fucker with no
intelligence and no evidence to back up your blatant lies about
legislation which has not yet been either proposed or written.
Consider yourself exposed as a lying fuckwit, comrade.
THREAD == DEAD

....but, poof, arse fucker....

Why don't you come out of the closet, buddy and do yourself and others a
favour. Do you think we like to read about your butt fucking obsessions?

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

gone

Why would I want to do that, assuming I could butt boy? You're sucking
bennie boy and tommy's cock so hard their heads are caving in.

[John - Melb]

Post by Gregory Shearman
....but, poof, arse fucker....
Why don't you come out of the closet, buddy and do yourself and others a
favour. Do you think we like to read about your butt fucking obsessions?
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power- Hide quoted text -

Offensive foul mouth troll isn't he Greg?

As soon as I posted something he didn't like I immediately became a
wanker and a target for his sexually orientated abuse.

I think you're right Greg, he's a sexually repressed closet queer who
hates the world because of his own inability to accept who and what he
is.

Of course, as soon as he started his abuse, there's no way I was
addressing the questions he was firing in any meaningful way. If
there's one thing I can't stand it's an arrogant foul mouthed bully.

Gonesailing, I wouldn't worry about being queer, hell I'm a
stereotyped redneck and I've got a number of good mates who are as
camp as a row of tents, I'd be more worried about being a Liberal
supporter and really worried about the attitudes you hold to the rest
of the human race. Seek help, you need it.

[Gregory Shearman]

Post by John - Melb
Gonesailing, I wouldn't worry about being queer, hell I'm a
stereotyped redneck and I've got a number of good mates who are as
camp as a row of tents, I'd be more worried about being a Liberal
supporter and really worried about the attitudes you hold to the rest
of the human race. Seek help, you need it.

Gonesailing?

Yeah, well we all know about sailors, don't we? ;-)

[Thomas]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing

Post by John - Melb

More than 3 million Australians to benefit from Increased Support
From Prime Minister - The Hon John Howard MP
I am pleased to announce today that a re-elected Coalition Government
will ensure older Australians, people with disabilities and carers
share in the benefits of Australia's strongly growing economy.

<SNIP>
What about people with disabilities caused by unsafe work practices?
The Howard Government, if re-elected, has already flagged how it is
going to gut Occupational Health and Safety legilation Australia
wide..
You like the idea of electing a health and safety rep, under a re-
elected Howard Government health and safety reps will be appointed by
the employer.

Your proof?

Post by John - Melb
You like the fact your health and safety rep can ask for assistance
from outside agencies in resolving any issue, under a re-elected Howrd
Government, that will be not allowed without first showing "just
cause" to your employer.

So?

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that your union can enter your worksite to
investiigate matter adversly effecting your healt and safety, under a
re-elected Howards Government, that will be "verboten"

As it should be now. The last palce a workplace needs is a fat arse
union wanker poking about where it has no idea of what it is poking
its fat nose into.

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that health and safety rep can order the ceasing of
unsafe practices, under a re-elected Hpoward Government, that idea
will be gone.

Where's the evidence, uniwanker?

Post by John - Melb
A vote for the Howard Government is a vote for massive numbers of
workplace deaths and injuries, Australia wide.

Any proof of your bullshit?

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see 16 year old apprentices in hospital with arms
ripped off through the use of unguarded machinery, then by all means
vote for Howard.

Any proof of your bullshit?

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see people sick and dying from the use of dangerous
chemicals without proper protective equipment, vote for Howard.

Same again, shit stain, put up or fuck off.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

My "Mr Liberal is Good" aren't we a pushy bad mouthed little man.

What's your problem with Union's arsehole, get caught ripping of
teenagers in you fast food franchise once too often did we?

You'd fit in real good at you local "buy-back" party branch meetings,
retard, room i'd just full of union hating bad mouthed bully boys.

So why'd you join the Lieberal Party anyway, "National Action" kick
you out?

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.

There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.

No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.

Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?

If so read on.


Has your little one cell union approved brain got the message yet? NO?

For fuck sakes, you thick poofter, just go back to the top of the post
and start again.

[Bernard]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
There is one simple issue here, little union boy arse fucker. I asked
the maggot to provide proof of his myth. He has consistently refused
to do so.
No surprise there, really, since he is fantasising about federal
legislation which has not yet been written.
Now, little butt boy, any part of that that is too hard for your tiny
union approved brain cell?
If so read on.
Has your little one cell union approved brain got the message yet? NO?
For fuck sakes, you thick poofter, just go back to the top of the post
and start again.

Thank you cunthooks for the totally unnecessary waste of bandwidth. You
had been yold the the material was presented at an official Worksafe
conference. Worksafe is a government agency here in Victoria, but you
claim to be from the Deep North so you would know nothing about that
would you?

Piss off back to your closet mate.

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by Bernard
Piss off back to your closet mate.

What brought you our of the barn, bernie butt fucker? Has davie boy
got the shits this week, or are the cattle dogs awake up to your arse
fetish??

[John - Melb]

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing
Your proof?

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Deregulation Kills
27 October 2005

Safety law deregulation - such as that which the Howard Government is
proposing - leads to more workplace injury and deaths, according to a
British report.

The Crime and Society Foundation report says in the UK, safety
inspections are low and enforcement is even lower, despite more than a
thousand employees dying at work each year.

It says this approach has been influenced by businesses' push for low
deregulation.

"The weight of available evidence now indicates that the one most
effective means of making workplaces safer is for these to be
unionised and to have union-appointed safety representatives," the
report states.

"This means challenging those ideologues who portray the protection of
workers and the public as matters of nanny-state 'red tape'."

Australian Prime Minister John Howard announced earlier this month the
formation of a business-led taskforce to reduce the "red tape" in
areas such as health and safety.

This was in addition to the Government's proposed industrial relations
reforms, which aim to restrict union right of entry into workplaces
and clamp down on industrial action.

Unions slammed the IR package as "dangerous".

"There are very real concerns that workers will face longer and
irregular hours and unpaid overtime, leading to greater stress and
fatigue," SA Unions secretary Janet Giles said. "This is often a
factor in workplace injuries."

The Crime and Society Foundation's Criminal Obsessions report is
available from http://www.crimeandsociety.org.uk/pdfs/monograph1_17Oct05.pdf


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[John - Melb]

Work Choices OH&S confusion
Author: Adrian RollinsPublication:
Australian Financial Review (5,Wed 31 May 2006)Edition: FirstKeywords:
industrial (2),Employment (4),union (13),Workplace(9),Kevin
(2),Andrews (2),John (2),Howard (2)

Federal government claims that its Work Choices laws will not stop
unions arranging occupational health and safety training for their
members have been contradicted by a minister and a senior industrial
relations bureaucrat.Senator Eric Abetz and the Employment Advocate
Peter McIlwain, bothtold a Senate estimates hearing yesterday that
leave to attend any uniontraining was prohibited in workplace
agreements.Mr McIlwain, who has the job of vetting all enterprise
bargainingagreements before they can be registered, told the hearing
that "leave toattend training provided by a trade union, however
described, is prohibitedcontent, as per regulations".Senator Abetz,
representing Workplace Relations Minister KevinAndrews, also said the
prohibition on all union training entitlements inworkplace agreements
was necessary because they had been abused byunions in the past,
although he declined to say whether the ban includedoccupational
health and safety training,The senator said union training "no matter
how it is described, it isprohibited content. Therefore we can call it
'doing the work of angels' or allsorts of wonderful things but at the
end of the day the regulation is veryclear".Their comments appeared to
contradict a statement to parliament by PrimeMinister John Howard on
Monday in which he said "there have beenagreements entered into under
the new law which allow for the safetytraining of people, including
attending courses provided by unions who areaccredited trainers".The
issue is particularly sensitive because of the Beaconsfield
minedisaster.More than 30 Beaconsfield miners used the occasion of a
federal parliamentreception on Monday, attended by Mr Howard, to
declare their opposition toPage 1 of 3Work Choices OH&S
confusion31/05/2006http://aap.newscentre.com.au/actu/060531/library/
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the Work Choices laws, which they said made workplaces less safe.In
the statement the workers said their union was currently
negotiatingunion workplace safety training with their employer, but
under WorkChoices the agreement would not be legally
recognised."Unions and union training improve workplace safety," the
miners said."The federal government's new industrial laws attack the
role of unionsand in so doing will make workplaces less safe."Mr
Andrews has rejected the claims, saying that mine safety is a
stategovernment responsibility, and that Work Choices preserves
stateoccupational health and safety laws.A spokesman for Mr Andrews
said that "not a single Australian worker willmiss out on OH&S
training because of Work Choices".He said the Office of the Employment
Advocate had approved severalworkplace agreements that contained OH&S
provisions and Work Choicesdid not prevent unions providing, or
workers attending, union safetytraining.It was also revealed that a
sample of the 6263 Australian WorkplaceAgreements lodged with the
Office of Employment Advocate since theWork Choices laws were
introduced showed that all excluded at least oneprotected award
condition.Mr McIlwain told a Senate estimates hearing that 16 per cent
of the 250AWAs sampled had dropped all award conditions, 64 per cent
had removedleave loading, 63 per cent had excluded penalty rates and
52 per cent haddiscarded shiftwork loading.KEY POINTS* Senator Abetz
says the Work Choices prohibition on union training isnecessary.*
Beaconsfield miners have opposed the Work Choices laws.FALLOUTHow the
PM was wrong-footed on workplace safetyMONDAY IN PARLIAMENTPrime
Minister John Howard:'My understanding is that mine safety training
and matters of mine safetyare governed by state law. It is also my
understanding that, under thepresent law, any accredited safety
provider can provide that training.It is also my understanding that
there have been agreements entered intounder the new law which allow
for the safety training of people, includingattending courses provided
by unions who are accredited trainers.'YESTERDAY AT ESTIMATES HEARING

[Thomas]

Post by John - Melb

More than 3 million Australians to benefit from Increased Support
From Prime Minister - The Hon John Howard MP
I am pleased to announce today that a re-elected Coalition Government
will ensure older Australians, people with disabilities and carers
share in the benefits of Australia's strongly growing economy.

<SNIP>
What about people with disabilities caused by unsafe work practices?
The Howard Government, if re-elected, has already flagged how it is
going to gut Occupational Health and Safety legilation Australia
wide..
You like the idea of electing a health and safety rep, under a re-
elected Howard Government health and safety reps will be appointed by
the employer.
You like the fact your health and safety rep can ask for assistance
from outside agencies in resolving any issue, under a re-elected Howrd
Government, that will be not allowed without first showing "just
cause" to your employer.
You like the idea that your union can enter your worksite to
investiigate matter adversly effecting your healt and safety, under a
re-elected Howards Government, that will be "verboten"
You like the idea that health and safety rep can order the ceasing of
unsafe practices, under a re-elected Hpoward Government, that idea
will be gone.
A vote for the Howard Government is a vote for massive numbers of
workplace deaths and injuries, Australia wide.
If you want to see 16 year old apprentices in hospital with arms
ripped off through the use of unguarded machinery, then by all means
vote for Howard.
If you want to see people sick and dying from the use of dangerous
chemicals without proper protective equipment, vote for Howard.

Typical Liberal Party bastardry, If we cant starve 'em into submission
with WorkChances we'll kill 'e off with unsafe worksites.

[m***@hotmail.com]

Warning shitbag alert!!!

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by John - Melb

More than 3 million Australians to benefit from Increased Support
From Prime Minister - The Hon John Howard MP
I am pleased to announce today that a re-elected Coalition Government
will ensure older Australians, people with disabilities and carers
share in the benefits of Australia's strongly growing economy.

<SNIP>
What about people with disabilities caused by unsafe work practices?
The Howard Government, if re-elected, has already flagged how it is
going to gut Occupational Health and Safety legilation Australia
wide..
You like the idea of electing a health and safety rep, under a re-
elected Howard Government health and safety reps will be appointed by
the employer.

As they are on many sites with zero injuries!!!

Post by John - Melb
You like the fact your health and safety rep can ask for assistance
from outside agencies in resolving any issue, under a re-elected Howrd
Government, that will be not allowed without first showing "just
cause" to your employer.

Bull shit in the extreme this is total fucking lies.

All major projects and EPCM's run a top down from CEO safety culture
that has nothing to do with any government as they operate all over
the world including countries with zero value for human life.

Your a shitbag and a liar.

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that your union can enter your worksite to
investiigate matter adversly effecting your healt and safety, under a
re-elected Howards Government, that will be "verboten"

Unions have absolutely fuck all to do with safety. The only union
involvment I know about is defending drug fucked sparkies on site who
are a danger to themselves and others!

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that health and safety rep can order the ceasing of
unsafe practices, under a re-elected Hpoward Government, that idea
will be gone.

Total Bulshit you have never worked on a project in the last 10 years

Post by John - Melb
A vote for the Howard Government is a vote for massive numbers of
workplace deaths and injuries, Australia wide.

Garbage in the extreme injuries have trended down in the last 10
years!!! Total Fact! dispute it shit bag I dare you

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see 16 year old apprentices in hospital with arms
ripped off through the use of unguarded machinery, then by all means
vote for Howard.

If you want to see this vote for rudd and you may see it in the tool
shed at your local high school!!!!

WOn't see it on any site

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see people sick and dying from the use of dangerous
chemicals without proper protective equipment, vote for Howard.

Total lies and fabrication, You are a shitbag liar!

[John - Melb]

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb

More than 3 million Australians to benefit from Increased Support
From Prime Minister - The Hon John Howard MP
I am pleased to announce today that a re-elected Coalition Government
will ensure older Australians, people with disabilities and carers
share in the benefits of Australia's strongly growing economy.

<SNIP>
What about people with disabilities caused by unsafe work practices?
The Howard Government, if re-elected, has already flagged how it is
going to gut Occupational Health and Safety legilation Australia
wide..
You like the idea of electing a health and safety rep, under a re-
elected Howard Government health and safety reps will be appointed by
the employer.

As they are on many sites with zero injuries!!!

Really, you have some evidence that worksites with employer appointed
HSR's are safer than worksites with employee elected HSR's, gee I'd
like to see that, of course if it's just spin from Howard and Co. I
ain't real interested.

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
You like the fact your health and safety rep can ask for assistance
from outside agencies in resolving any issue, under a re-elected Howrd
Government, that will be not allowed without first showing "just
cause" to your employer.

Bull shit in the extreme this is total fucking lies.

Already exits sport, under Victorian Worksafe, a HSR can ask for
assistance or advice from any person, where is that in the Comcare
legislation?

Post by m***@hotmail.com
All major projects and EPCM's run a top down from CEO safety culture
that has nothing to do with any government as they operate all over
the world including countries with zero value for human life.
Your a shitbag and a liar.

There's a rather large construction company doing a fairly major
construction job at my (government)workplace at the moment, They got
real upset when challeneged their employer appointed "HSR" about
workplace safety, he thought blokes working on a roof, fixing iron
roofing without safety scaffolding or harnesses was OK?

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that your union can enter your worksite to
investiigate matter adversly effecting your healt and safety, under a
re-elected Howards Government, that will be "verboten"

Unions have absolutely fuck all to do with safety. The only union
involvment I know about is defending drug fucked sparkies on site who
are a danger to themselves and others!

Yep, that's why the largest Occupational Health and Safety Rep's
Conference in the world is run annually by the Victorian Trades Hall
Council.

Chris Maxwell QC, who was appointed by the Victorian Government in
2003 to conduct a report on the 1985 Victorian OHS Act, (and who's
recommendations form the basis of the 2004 Victorian OHS Act) is of a
different opinion to you on the relationaship between industrial
matters and Occupational Health and Safety. We know Maxwells
credentials, yours are somewhat of a mystery. Care to elaborate?

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
You like the idea that health and safety rep can order the ceasing of
unsafe practices, under a re-elected Hpoward Government, that idea
will be gone.

Total Bulshit you have never worked on a project in the last 10 years

Check Comcare legislation.

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
A vote for the Howard Government is a vote for massive numbers of
workplace deaths and injuries, Australia wide.

Garbage in the extreme injuries have trended down in the last 10
years!!! Total Fact! dispute it shit bag I dare you

There's about 240 Victorian Worksafe inspectors covering Victoria,
there's 54 Comcare Inspectors for the whole bloody country, dispute
that.

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see 16 year old apprentices in hospital with arms
ripped off through the use of unguarded machinery, then by all means
vote for Howard.

If you want to see this vote for rudd and you may see it in the tool
shed at your local high school!!!!
WOn't see it on any site

Already seen "comcare" in action on a building site, see above

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
If you want to see people sick and dying from the use of dangerous
chemicals without proper protective equipment, vote for Howard.

Total lies and fabrication, You are a shitbag liar!-

Yes and like most Liberal Party "useful idiots", the best you can come
up with is childish name-calling, ho hum.

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Post by John - Melb

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Total Bulshit you have never worked on a project in the last 10 years

Check Comcare legislation.

I did, and guess what, shit for brains, no mention of you anywhere.

[John - Melb]

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Post by John - Melb

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Total Bulshit you have never worked on a project in the last 10 years

Check Comcare legislation.

I did, and guess what, shit for brains, no mention of you anywhere.

WTF are you smoking ?

[gonesailing_gonefishing]

Post by John - Melb

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Post by John - Melb

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Total Bulshit you have never worked on a project in the last 10 years

Check Comcare legislation.

I did, and guess what, shit for brains, no mention of you anywhere.

WTF are you smoking ?

Not what you are smoking, slut guts.

[John - Melb]

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Post by John - Melb

Post by gonesailing_gonefishing

Post by John - Melb

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Total Bulshit you have never worked on a project in the last 10 years

Check Comcare legislation.

I did, and guess what, shit for brains, no mention of you anywhere.

WTF are you smoking ?

Not what you are smoking, slut guts.

Obviously, I spmoke Champion Ruby, as for you?

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by John - Melb
Really, you have some evidence that worksites with employer appointed
HSR's are safer than worksites with employee elected HSR's, gee I'd
like to see that, of course if it's just spin from Howard and Co. I
ain't real interested.

It is an absoilute indisputable fact that non union project sites in
heavy industry leave union dominated building sites for dead,
LITERALLY!!

Don't play this game dickhead you are telling lies about peoples
safety

[John - Melb]

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
Really, you have some evidence that worksites with employer appointed
HSR's are safer than worksites with employee elected HSR's, gee I'd
like to see that, of course if it's just spin from Howard and Co. I
ain't real interested.

It is an absoilute indisputable fact that non union project sites in
heavy industry leave union dominated building sites for dead,
LITERALLY!!
Don't play this game dickhead you are telling lies about peoples
safety

Feel free to cite references to support this.

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by John - Melb

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by John - Melb
Really, you have some evidence that worksites with employer appointed
HSR's are safer than worksites with employee elected HSR's, gee I'd
like to see that, of course if it's just spin from Howard and Co. I
ain't real interested.

It is an absoilute indisputable fact that non union project sites in
heavy industry leave union dominated building sites for dead,
LITERALLY!!
Don't play this game dickhead you are telling lies about peoples
safety

Feel free to cite references to support this.

For every CBD Hi-Rise building constructed draped with the Eureka Flag
mind you kill on average 0.7 people. This represents a ratio of about
1 death per 1000000 man hours worked!.

If this shocking ratio happed on any infrastructure project (ALL
PRIVATE with HSE Reps from employers!!!) the project would be shut
down.

Why are union dominated sites allowed to kill workers with little
interference to work schedule?

[John - Melb]

Post by m***@hotmail.com
For every CBD Hi-Rise building constructed draped with the Eureka Flag
mind you kill on average 0.7 people. This represents a ratio of about
1 death per 1000000 man hours worked!.
If this shocking ratio happed on any infrastructure project (ALL
PRIVATE with HSE Reps from employers!!!) the project would be shut
down.
Why are union dominated sites allowed to kill workers with little
interference to work schedule?

Fascinating, I ask for cited references and I get unsupported
assertions?

I guess you think I'm too fucken stupid to know the difference

Obviously, you cannot cite any reference to support your assertions or
you would have already done so.