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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
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and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences

YANA in thinking that.

Post by Penny
(not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

(I like "mewling".) I also wondered how Lizzie got the pills; she was
certainly speaking as if she had them, not just the prescription. I
suppose the GPery could have a pharmacy - rural ones are allowed to if
over a certain distance from the nearest chemist, or something like that

[Chris McMillan]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences

YANA in thinking that.

Post by Penny
(not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

(I like "mewling".) I also wondered how Lizzie got the pills; she was
certainly speaking as if she had them, not just the prescription. I
suppose the GPery could have a pharmacy - rural ones are allowed to if
over a certain distance from the nearest chemist, or something like that

I heard it as they’d been given prescription and collected it from
wherever. Whether she takes any at all is the question.

Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term? He’s a ‘young offender’.

Sincerely Chris

[Penny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term? He’s a ‘young offender’.

I thought he got 6 months, but maybe that was the assumed time he would
actually serve. I was a little surprised there was no topical insert
following the news that 6 month sentences were not to be handed out
anymore.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Penny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term? He’s a ‘young offender’.

I thought he got 6 months, but maybe that was the assumed time he would
actually serve. I was a little surprised there was no topical insert
following the news that 6 month sentences were not to be handed out
anymore.

My memory is that his sentence was a year, so he was expected to
actually serve six months.

[carolet]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term?  He’s a ‘young offender’.

I thought he got 6 months, but maybe that was the assumed time he would
actually serve. I was a little surprised there was no topical insert
following the news that 6 month sentences were not to be handed out
anymore.

My memory is that his sentence was a year, so he was expected to
actually serve six months.

I think you are correct.
He was sent down on the 28th September, so he should be out at the end
of March, all being well.

[Mike]

Post by carolet

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term?  He’s a ‘young offender’.

I thought he got 6 months, but maybe that was the assumed time he would
actually serve. I was a little surprised there was no topical insert
following the news that 6 month sentences were not to be handed out
anymore.

My memory is that his sentence was a year, so he was expected to
actually serve six months.

I think you are correct.
He was sent down on the 28th September, so he should be out at the end
of March, all being well.

I wonder if they have allowed him to have a ‘tablet’ in his cell?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by carolet

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term?  He’s a ‘young offender’.

I thought he got 6 months, but maybe that was the assumed time he would
actually serve. I was a little surprised there was no topical insert
following the news that 6 month sentences were not to be handed out
anymore.

My memory is that his sentence was a year, so he was expected to
actually serve six months.

I think you are correct.
He was sent down on the 28th September, so he should be out at the end
of March, all being well.

So he'll be out the day before we get out!


How about a three-way referendum, allowing second choices?
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[Chris McMillan]

Post by carolet

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
Can anyone remember Freddie’s original sentence length? He ought to be
getting towards his parole term?  He’s a ‘young offender’.

I thought he got 6 months, but maybe that was the assumed time he would
actually serve. I was a little surprised there was no topical insert
following the news that 6 month sentences were not to be handed out
anymore.

My memory is that his sentence was a year, so he was expected to
actually serve six months.

I think you are correct.
He was sent down on the 28th September, so he should be out at the end
of March, all being well.

Thanks, Carolet

Sincerely Chris

[Fenny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I like "mewling".) I also wondered how Lizzie got the pills; she was
certainly speaking as if she had them, not just the prescription. I
suppose the GPery could have a pharmacy - rural ones are allowed to if
over a certain distance from the nearest chemist, or something like that

I heard it as they’d been given prescription and collected it from
wherever. Whether she takes any at all is the question.

Our GP has a pharmacy, despite being all of a couple of hundred yards
from the nearest chemist shop. At one point, the GP pharmacy wasn't
allowed to dispense to those who lived in the town, only from the
outlying villages, but it changed at least 3 years ago.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Penny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:16:01 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I like "mewling".) I also wondered how Lizzie got the pills; she was
certainly speaking as if she had them, not just the prescription. I
suppose the GPery could have a pharmacy - rural ones are allowed to if
over a certain distance from the nearest chemist, or something like that

I heard it as they’d been given prescription and collected it from
wherever. Whether she takes any at all is the question.

Our GP has a pharmacy, despite being all of a couple of hundred yards
from the nearest chemist shop. At one point, the GP pharmacy wasn't
allowed to dispense to those who lived in the town, only from the
outlying villages, but it changed at least 3 years ago.

My GP has the same, despite being much the same distance from both the
pharmacies in the village. Here, they still aren't allowed to dispense
to anyone who lives less than a mile from the village pharmacies.

[Penny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:17:51 +0000, Fenny <***@removethis.gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
Our GP has a pharmacy, despite being all of a couple of hundred yards
from the nearest chemist shop. At one point, the GP pharmacy wasn't
allowed to dispense to those who lived in the town, only from the
outlying villages, but it changed at least 3 years ago.

Ours is similar, although the nearest commercial pharmacy is next door -
always seemed very odd to me. Less so since they no longer hold the scripts
there for collection but send them straight to the pharmacy the patient has
designated. This actually caused major problems for that nearest one who
had insufficient space or staff to deal with the sudden increase in trade.
I, like many, have now switched to the one in the supermarket where it is
much easier to park and the opening hours are better but I miss some of the
friendly pharmacists who work at Lloyds.

[Nick Odell]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
Our GP has a pharmacy, despite being all of a couple of hundred yards
from the nearest chemist shop. At one point, the GP pharmacy wasn't
allowed to dispense to those who lived in the town, only from the
outlying villages, but it changed at least 3 years ago.

Ours is similar, although the nearest commercial pharmacy is next door -
always seemed very odd to me. Less so since they no longer hold the scripts
there for collection but send them straight to the pharmacy the patient has
designated. This actually caused major problems for that nearest one who
had insufficient space or staff to deal with the sudden increase in trade.
I, like many, have now switched to the one in the supermarket where it is
much easier to park and the opening hours are better but I miss some of the
friendly pharmacists who work at Lloyds.

It's rather a long time since I've had a prescription filled in the UK
so I didn't know it had changed. Does this mean you can no longer take a
piece of paper to any pharmacy you choose? Like you, my doctor's surgery
has a private pharmacy next door but sometimes it might be convenient
for me to use it and sometimes it might not

And do you get a piece of paper anyway? So you know what you are getting
and how to use it? Did we discuss the VitA-POS / Vitaros incident here?
https://tinyurl.com/y86dvure

Nick

[Fenny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:47:03 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell
It's rather a long time since I've had a prescription filled in the UK
so I didn't know it had changed. Does this mean you can no longer take a
piece of paper to any pharmacy you choose? Like you, my doctor's surgery
has a private pharmacy next door but sometimes it might be convenient
for me to use it and sometimes it might not
And do you get a piece of paper anyway? So you know what you are getting
and how to use it? Did we discuss the VitA-POS / Vitaros incident here?
https://tinyurl.com/y86dvure

Yes, if you actually manage to see a GP in person, you still get a
piece of paper and yes, you can take it anywhere you like. It may
depend on what they prescribe as to whether they have it in. I seem
to recall last time I had anything unusual, they told me to check with
the pharmacy if they had any. When they hadn't, they told me where in
town would have it in stock.

[Vicky Ayech]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 23:18:51 +0000, Fenny

Post by Fenny
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:47:03 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell
It's rather a long time since I've had a prescription filled in the UK
so I didn't know it had changed. Does this mean you can no longer take a
piece of paper to any pharmacy you choose? Like you, my doctor's surgery
has a private pharmacy next door but sometimes it might be convenient
for me to use it and sometimes it might not
And do you get a piece of paper anyway? So you know what you are getting
and how to use it? Did we discuss the VitA-POS / Vitaros incident here?
https://tinyurl.com/y86dvure

Yes, if you actually manage to see a GP in person, you still get a
piece of paper and yes, you can take it anywhere you like. It may
depend on what they prescribe as to whether they have it in. I seem
to recall last time I had anything unusual, they told me to check with
the pharmacy if they had any. When they hadn't, they told me where in
town would have it in stock.

You can get a paper prescription from the GP in person but also they
can send it to your preferred chemist to be collected.

Our online system tells you when you can re-order. Normally I do a
week or so before I need it or a bit more. It normally says I can the
day after I last had the order! I re-ordered something and it said too
early. I phoned as the re-order date on the system had now changed to
the day after I would run out. I get 56, take one a day. it was set
for nearly 2 months from last order.

I rang the surgery and they said the computer doesn't allow for
numbers of 56 not being 2 months and they would let the order through.
I had actually ordered well ahead as was the advice given on the tv
when they talked about shortages.
It still shows as not allowed but I will leave the re-order for a week
or so now.

[Penny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:47:03 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
Our GP has a pharmacy, despite being all of a couple of hundred yards
from the nearest chemist shop. At one point, the GP pharmacy wasn't
allowed to dispense to those who lived in the town, only from the
outlying villages, but it changed at least 3 years ago.

Ours is similar, although the nearest commercial pharmacy is next door -
always seemed very odd to me. Less so since they no longer hold the scripts
there for collection but send them straight to the pharmacy the patient has
designated. This actually caused major problems for that nearest one who
had insufficient space or staff to deal with the sudden increase in trade.
I, like many, have now switched to the one in the supermarket where it is
much easier to park and the opening hours are better but I miss some of the
friendly pharmacists who work at Lloyds.

It's rather a long time since I've had a prescription filled in the UK
so I didn't know it had changed. Does this mean you can no longer take a
piece of paper to any pharmacy you choose? Like you, my doctor's surgery
has a private pharmacy next door but sometimes it might be convenient
for me to use it and sometimes it might not

I'm not sure but assume you can still collect the bit of paper. It seemed
more convenient to me to go straight to the pharmacy than to queue in both
places. The pharmacy gives me the repeat form with my meds.

I used to use the Boots collection service - they order the repeats and
collect the prescription for you. I stopped because they were so stuck on a
4 week cycle, which doesn't suit any of my regular meds - one lasts 22 days
and two others last 30. I would run out from time to time because they
timed their 4 weeks from the date I collected, not the date they'd ordered
and would not listen when I explained why this was daft.

I always order online these days which saves going in to the surgery to put
the form in and allows me to select a pharmacy - although when I changed to
the supermarket they still sent it to Lloyds the first time. The surgery
says to allow 48 hours between ordering and collecting which seldom works
(and never over the weekend). The pharmacies reckon 4 days to a week.

[BrritSki]

Post by Penny
I always order online these days which saves going in to the surgery to put
the form in and allows me to select a pharmacy - although when I changed to
the supermarket they still sent it to Lloyds the first time. The surgery
says to allow 48 hours between ordering and collecting which seldom works
(and never over the weekend). The pharmacies reckon 4 days to a week.

The day I went to docs last week where I got a new script, I had also
ordered a repeat prescription earlier in the day.

When I arrived at the nominated pharmacy I said that the doc had just
sent through a new script and assistant went and looked and said yes, it
will be a few minutes. OK I said, I'll wait and then asked anout the
repeat prescription and when that would be ready. "It takes 3 days to
come through from GP and then 4 days to process here as we have a backlog".

10 mins later I got my tablets in a bag and went home. I'm sure you've
all guessed that the bag contained my repeat prescription and not the
new one <sigh>

[Fenny]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
Our GP has a pharmacy, despite being all of a couple of hundred yards
from the nearest chemist shop. At one point, the GP pharmacy wasn't
allowed to dispense to those who lived in the town, only from the
outlying villages, but it changed at least 3 years ago.

Ours is similar, although the nearest commercial pharmacy is next door -
always seemed very odd to me. Less so since they no longer hold the scripts
there for collection but send them straight to the pharmacy the patient has
designated. This actually caused major problems for that nearest one who
had insufficient space or staff to deal with the sudden increase in trade.
I, like many, have now switched to the one in the supermarket where it is
much easier to park and the opening hours are better but I miss some of the
friendly pharmacists who work at Lloyds.

Under our previous system where I could request repeat prescriptions
via email [1], I could designate one of the pharmacies in town to pick
up my medication [2] from.

Under our new system, where I had to query why I hadn't been given a
repeat prescription in the first place, I get a slip of paper in the
bag with the latest meds which tells me how many more times I can
request each item [3]. I can take that bit of paper to any of the
pharmacies I like. It just so happens that the GP surgery is 100
yards from the council building and I'm more likely to remember to
pass it on the way to or from work [4] than to go into any of the
places in town while I'm on my lunchtime coffee expedition.

[1] That was 18 years ago. Things have "improved" since then, such
that we can no longer do this.
[2] I was going to put "drugs", but it made it sound like some kind of
shady deal.
[3] But it doesn't tell me what happens, as now, when I request the
last batch. Will I be called in for a medication check, or is the
number just reset? EMNTK [5]
[4] Having forgotten to take it in at lunchtime, I remembered as I
left work and just happened to be walking that way on the way to my
class, so took the 40 yard detour on the way to the community centre.
[5] I guess I'll find out next week when I remember to pick it up.

[Sally Thompson]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
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YANA in thinking that.

Post by Penny
(not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

(I like "mewling".) I also wondered how Lizzie got the pills; she was
certainly speaking as if she had them, not just the prescription. I
suppose the GPery could have a pharmacy - rural ones are allowed to if
over a certain distance from the nearest chemist, or something like that

Yes, we have a pharmacy at the surgery.

[Nick Odell]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?

Nick

[Mike Headon]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

I am tempted to say "thyroid", having had painful experience.

[Vicky Ayech]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

I am tempted to say "thyroid", having had painful experience.

I don't understand? Who would that hurry the appointment? You think
that is Shula's problem?

[Rosalind Mitchell]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

I am tempted to say "thyroid", having had painful experience.

I don't understand? Who would that hurry the appointment? You think
that is Shula's problem?

Wasn't "thyroid" the fallback ailment Kenton was hurriedly given when
the producer of the time was sternly told that the original plan of him
having Aids was much too daring and un-Archerlike?

[Mike]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

I am tempted to say "thyroid", having had painful experience.

I don't understand? Who would that hurry the appointment? You think
that is Shula's problem?

Wasn't "thyroid" the fallback ailment Kenton was hurriedly given when
the producer of the time was sternly told that the original plan of him
having Aids was much too daring and un-Archerlike?

As ‘Dave’ will tell you, Kenton suffers from ‘Debtitus’.

[Chris McMillan]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

I am tempted to say "thyroid", having had painful experience.

I don't understand? Who would that hurry the appointment? You think
that is Shula's problem?

Wasn't "thyroid" the fallback ailment Kenton was hurriedly given when
the producer of the time was sternly told that the original plan of him
having Aids was much too daring and un-Archerlike?

As ‘Dave’ will tell you, Kenton suffers from ‘Debtitus’.

Excellent!

Sincerely Chris

[Vicky Ayech]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:00:51 +0000, Nick Odell

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
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and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

Apparently GPs have hundreds of no shows because people don't cancel.
I make appointments, often a week or two weeks or more ahead as that
is when I can get the time and Dr I want. I do it online. Then for
various reasons I cancel on the day or beforehand. They send texts to
remind me a few days after booking and inthe week before the date.
Maybe Shula got a cancellation. In fact I think Shula said that.

[Mike]

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:00:51 +0000, Nick Odell

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

Apparently GPs have hundreds of no shows because people don't cancel.
I make appointments, often a week or two weeks or more ahead as that
is when I can get the time and Dr I want. I do it online. Then for
various reasons I cancel on the day or beforehand. They send texts to
remind me a few days after booking and inthe week before the date.
Maybe Shula got a cancellation. In fact I think Shula said that.

Lizzie did get an appointment from a cancellation and they both sat in the
waiting area speculating if Lizzy was the next one to go in. When I rang
our surgery for an appointment with my named doctor in very early December,
I was given 8th January.

[Jenny M Benson]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

Apparently GPs have hundreds of no shows because people don't cancel.
I make appointments, often a week or two weeks or more ahead as that
is when I can get the time and Dr I want. I do it online. Then for
various reasons I cancel on the day or beforehand. They send texts to
remind me a few days after booking and inthe week before the date.
Maybe Shula got a cancellation. In fact I think Shula said that.

Lizzie did get an appointment from a cancellation and they both sat in the
waiting area speculating if Lizzy was the next one to go in. When I rang
our surgery for an appointment with my named doctor in very early December,
I was given 8th January.

The only way to get an appointment in advance at our surgery is if the
Dr or Nurse makes it during a consultation. Otherwise one can only get
a same=day appointment and if all the morning appts are booked, one has
to ring back in the pm to make an afternoon appt.

At my sis's surgery (also in Wales) they have started having an open
surgery (in addition to appointments, which can be booked days in
advance), but it's limited to a certain number of patients so she could
go for the open surgery and get turned away at the door.

[BrritSki]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

Apparently GPs have hundreds of no shows because people don't cancel.
I make appointments, often a week or two weeks or more ahead as that
is when I can get the time and Dr I want. I do it online. Then for
various reasons I cancel on the day or beforehand. They send texts to
remind me a few days after booking and inthe week before the date.
Maybe Shula got a cancellation. In fact I think Shula said that.

Lizzie did get an appointment from a cancellation and they both sat in the
waiting area speculating if Lizzy was the next one to go in. When I rang
our surgery for an appointment with my named doctor in very early December,
I was given 8th January.

The only way to get an appointment in advance at our surgery is if the
Dr or Nurse makes it during a consultation.  Otherwise one can only get
a same=day appointment and if all the morning appts are booked, one has
to ring back in the pm to make an afternoon appt.
At my sis's surgery (also in Wales) they have started having an open
surgery (in addition to appointments, which can be booked days in
advance), but it's limited to a certain number of patients so she could
go for the open surgery and get turned away at the door.

Our doctor in Italy had open surgeries 4 days a week when he was open
for about 2 hours each day and then Thursday afternoon was appointment
only. You generally had to wait about an hour unless you got there well
before he opened. He did have a phone service operated by his wife for
repeat prescriptions. He used to come up to the village 3 days a week,
but that became uneconomic for him as he had to pay to hire the room.
That was more of a lottery - it could be very quick if it was a nice
day, but if it was miserable everyone went to the surgery for a natter.
He had no nurse or receptionist at all.

Back in Bedford we got in with our old GP who is working reduced hours
as he is near retirement, but I called at 8 on Monday and saw him that
afternoon [1]. There are several other doctors in the practice including
his daughter, several reception staff, nurses etc and it's all very
efficient, with online repeat prescriptions and other services. We are
not getting better healthcare than Italy, but we don't have to drive the
system ourselves so much.

[1] And I could get an appointment today with a doctor even if I called
now, just wouldn't be able to choose who it was. If really urgent
there's a walk-in centre nearby too that's open all day.

[Nick Odell]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Vicky Ayech
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:00:51 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

Apparently GPs have hundreds of no shows because people don't cancel.
I make appointments, often a week or two weeks or more ahead as that
is when I can get the time and Dr I want. I do it online. Then for
various reasons I cancel on the day or beforehand. They send texts to
remind me a few days after booking and inthe week before the date.
Maybe Shula got a cancellation. In fact I think Shula said that.

Lizzie did get an appointment from a cancellation and they both sat in the
waiting area speculating if Lizzy was the next one to go in. When I rang
our surgery for an appointment with my named doctor in very early December,
I was given 8th January.

The only way to get an appointment in advance at our surgery is if the
Dr or Nurse makes it during a consultation.  Otherwise one can only
get a same=day appointment and if all the morning appts are booked,
one has to ring back in the pm to make an afternoon appt.
At my sis's surgery (also in Wales) they have started having an open
surgery (in addition to appointments, which can be booked days in
advance), but it's limited to a certain number of patients so she
could go for the open surgery and get turned away at the door.

Our doctor in Italy had open surgeries 4 days a week when he was open
for about 2 hours each day and then Thursday afternoon was appointment
only. You generally had to wait about an hour unless you got there well
before he opened. He did have a phone service operated by his wife for
repeat prescriptions. He used to come up to the village 3 days a week,
but that became uneconomic for him as he had to pay to hire the room.
That was more of a lottery - it could be very quick if it was a nice
day, but if it was miserable everyone went to the surgery for a natter.
He had no nurse or receptionist at all.
Back in Bedford we got in with our old GP who is working reduced hours
as he is near retirement, but I called at 8 on Monday and saw him that
afternoon [1]. There are several other doctors in the practice including
his daughter, several reception staff, nurses etc and it's all very
efficient, with online repeat prescriptions and other services. We are
not getting better healthcare than Italy, but we don't have to drive the
system ourselves so much.
[1] And I could get an appointment today with a doctor even if I called
now, just wouldn't be able to choose who it was. If really urgent
there's a walk-in centre nearby too that's open all day.

The nearest walk-in centre has a sign on the door:

Nameless Group Practice

Walk-in Centre Opening Hours
Mon-Fri 8am - 6pm

Saturdays 9am - 1pm


So, I went along one Saturday at 10.
"Do you have an appointment?"
"No, this is a walk-in centre"
"Only Monday to Friday"

And you wonder why I never go to see a doctor?

I've suggested to umra before that, if you leave a condition alone for
long enough it will get better by itself.








Unless of course it doesn't.

Nick

[Penny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:07:00 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell
I've suggested to umra before that, if you leave a condition alone for
long enough it will get better by itself.

True for many problems but if it doesn't you may not be in a condition to
worry about it any more.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Nick Odell
I've suggested to umra before that, if you leave a condition alone for
long enough it will get better by itself.
Unless of course it doesn't.

in my case it did. The "bad leg" I began with on return from the Umra
mini-meet in Shrewsbury defied several attempts to diagnose the cause
and the prescribed ibupofen gel had little effect on the pain. It was
12 months almost to the day before it was right again, without further
medical interference.

[Mike]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Nick Odell
I've suggested to umra before that, if you leave a condition alone for
long enough it will get better by itself.
Unless of course it doesn't.

in my case it did. The "bad leg" I began with on return from the Umra
mini-meet in Shrewsbury defied several attempts to diagnose the cause
and the prescribed ibupofen gel had little effect on the pain. It was
12 months almost to the day before it was right again, without further
medical interference.

My doctor diagnosed ‘Frozen Shoulder’ for me some years ago and set in
motion, a visit to the physio terrorists at the horsepiddal - the
appointment was made and about a year later when I attended for the
appointment - they could not help me at all as it had cleared up by then.

[Jim Easterbrook]

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Nick Odell
I've suggested to umra before that, if you leave a condition alone for
long enough it will get better by itself.
Unless of course it doesn't.

in my case it did. The "bad leg" I began with on return from the Umra
mini-meet in Shrewsbury defied several attempts to diagnose the cause
and the prescribed ibupofen gel had little effect on the pain. It was
12 months almost to the day before it was right again, without further
medical interference.

My doctor diagnosed ‘Frozen Shoulder’ for me some years ago and set in
motion, a visit to the physio terrorists at the horsepiddal - the
appointment was made and about a year later when I attended for the
appointment - they could not help me at all as it had cleared up by then.

I also had a frozen shoulder a decade or so ago. My physio sessions were
in a sensible time frame. I don't know if they helped with the shoulder
but the therapist was lovely.

When the other shoulder started playing up I didn't bother the doctor. It
cleared up in a similar time frame.

[Penny]

On 18 Jan 2019 14:39:27 GMT, Jim Easterbrook <***@jim-easterbrook.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Jim Easterbrook
I also had a frozen shoulder a decade or so ago. My physio sessions were
in a sensible time frame. I don't know if they helped with the shoulder
but the therapist was lovely.

I self-treated my frozen shoulder with cod liver oil which helped a bit -
it never occurred to me to see the GP about it. What really sorted it out
was a trip to Australia - no pain at all after a couple of days :)

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Jim Easterbrook
I also had a frozen shoulder a decade or so ago. My physio sessions were
in a sensible time frame. I don't know if they helped with the shoulder
but the therapist was lovely.

I self-treated my frozen shoulder with cod liver oil which helped a bit -
it never occurred to me to see the GP about it. What really sorted it out
was a trip to Australia - no pain at all after a couple of days :)

That's very brave of you Penny. When I had my frozen shoulder I went
straight to my GP and all but begged him to cut my arm off to make the
pain go away!

[Vicky Ayech]

On 18 Jan 2019 14:39:27 GMT, Jim Easterbrook

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Nick Odell
I've suggested to umra before that, if you leave a condition alone for
long enough it will get better by itself.
Unless of course it doesn't.

in my case it did. The "bad leg" I began with on return from the Umra
mini-meet in Shrewsbury defied several attempts to diagnose the cause
and the prescribed ibupofen gel had little effect on the pain. It was
12 months almost to the day before it was right again, without further
medical interference.

My doctor diagnosed ‘Frozen Shoulder’ for me some years ago and set in
motion, a visit to the physio terrorists at the horsepiddal - the
appointment was made and about a year later when I attended for the
appointment - they could not help me at all as it had cleared up by then.

I also had a frozen shoulder a decade or so ago. My physio sessions were
in a sensible time frame. I don't know if they helped with the shoulder
but the therapist was lovely.
When the other shoulder started playing up I didn't bother the doctor. It
cleared up in a similar time frame.

I had a frozen shoulder too some years ago and was given a courtisone
injection, which was extremely painful and no help at all. I also had
hydrotherapy, which did help, but a limited number of sessions. I had
a similar injection that hurt and did no good in my ankle at another
time for arthritis, or general pain there. So some things are best
withoput a Dr helping, but some things obviously would get worse and
wouldn't clear up alone. Thyroid problems, over or under active, which
someone suggested might be Lizzie's ailment, would not get better
without treatment. Similarly the heart illness she had or Ruth's
cancer.

[Penny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:15:55 +0000, Vicky Ayech <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
I had a frozen shoulder too some years ago and was given a courtisone
injection, which was extremely painful and no help at all. I also had
hydrotherapy, which did help, but a limited number of sessions.

I did see a doctor for some other shoulder/neck related pain and was sent
to the physio for a series of sessions with what I suppose is a sort of
TENS machine. Little pads stuck on two different places then a pattern of
impulses making things twitch.

I'm not convinced the physio did much but the clinic was in the local
leisure centre so I had a swim each time I went. I think moving around in
the very warm water did help so when the physio sessions stopped I kept up
the weekly swim for a while.

[LFS]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech
I had a frozen shoulder too some years ago and was given a courtisone
injection, which was extremely painful and no help at all. I also had
hydrotherapy, which did help, but a limited number of sessions.

I did see a doctor for some other shoulder/neck related pain and was sent
to the physio for a series of sessions with what I suppose is a sort of
TENS machine. Little pads stuck on two different places then a pattern of
impulses making things twitch.
I'm not convinced the physio did much but the clinic was in the local
leisure centre so I had a swim each time I went. I think moving around in
the very warm water did help so when the physio sessions stopped I kept up
the weekly swim for a while.

I think physios can sometimes be very helpful. One gave me a set of
exercises to do when my back hurts and they are very effective.

They usually have more time to spend with you than a GP and just having
someone listening closely while you describe your aches and pains can
have some sort of curative effect.

But you do need to find a good one.

[Penny]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:09:15 +0000, LFS <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by LFS

Post by Penny
I'm not convinced the physio did much but the clinic was in the local
leisure centre so I had a swim each time I went. I think moving around in
the very warm water did help so when the physio sessions stopped I kept up
the weekly swim for a while.

I think physios can sometimes be very helpful. One gave me a set of
exercises to do when my back hurts and they are very effective.
They usually have more time to spend with you than a GP and just having
someone listening closely while you describe your aches and pains can
have some sort of curative effect.
But you do need to find a good one.

Oh I agree whole-heartedly.
When my leg pain started in September 2016 I self-referred to the physio
rather than going to the GP. The expected wait to see one was 8-10 weeks
but a cancellation had me seen after 6 weeks. Meanwhile I had realised the
pain and stiffness got better if I walked around so I started walking
around the block most days and walking around supermarkets when the weather
was cold or wet. By the time I saw the physio the degree of pain had
lessened but it was better some days than others.

She diagnosed osteoarthritis, ordered an x-ray to confirm, gave me some
exercises and the advice to restrict my walking to level ground as steps
and slopes (I live on a steep hill) would aggravate it and to use a stick
when it was painful. Things improved almost immediately when I stopped
walking round the block but kept on the level.

I'm pleased to say it's been much better since last July and I can do
slopes and steps again although I'm wary of doing too much of that.

So the physio was brilliant - the worst aspect of going to see her was the
topography of our local hospital where the clinic is held. It's built on a
hill and the walk up from the car park was awful :(

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by LFS
I think physios can sometimes be very helpful. One gave me a set of
exercises to do when my back hurts and they are very effective.

I once had a motorcycle accident (fortunately I went upwards
whilst the bike didn't).

After setting, I had a full left leg plaster, and my left arm was
in plaster to above the elbow.

After the casts came off I was very fortunate that my local
facility (about a mile away) was a teaching hospital (Withington)
(1) with a large physio department.

Every weekday for a month I went along and did work on my wrist
for an hour, followed by a group leg class until lunchtime, and
all was soon back in full working order.

The system shortcoming was that nobody had given me any advice
about what I should, or shouldn't do in terms of keeping the
unaffected parts mobile during my period in plaster. I was told
not to walk on the leg, but I could have usefully been given
simple tasks to execute.

(1) I believe the site, once one of the country's largest, is now
housing.

Chris

[Penny]

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:58:39 +0000, Chris J Dixon <***@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Chris J Dixon
I once had a motorcycle accident (fortunately I went upwards
whilst the bike didn't).

My only bike accident which caused any damage to me (they all broke bits
off the bike) resulted in a sore right knee which just went on hurting. All
I was offered in physio was a heat lamp treatment which didn't seem to do
anything much.

The pain continued for years and was a particular problem on frosty
mornings when kick-starting the bike and then sitting with a bent knee for
the 12 icy miles to college made it difficult to get off the bike at all.

I haven't had that pain since I got a car :)

[Nick Odell]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Chris J Dixon
I once had a motorcycle accident (fortunately I went upwards
whilst the bike didn't).

My only bike accident which caused any damage to me (they all broke bits
off the bike) resulted in a sore right knee which just went on hurting. All
I was offered in physio was a heat lamp treatment which didn't seem to do
anything much.
The pain continued for years and was a particular problem on frosty
mornings when kick-starting the bike and then sitting with a bent knee for
the 12 icy miles to college made it difficult to get off the bike at all.
I haven't had that pain since I got a car :)

Don't remind me! Well, now that you have reminded me I'm thinking about
one of the (many) times I rode home on my C12 in the depths of winter
and just sat on the bike outside my house because I was so cold I
couldn't get off.

Nick

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Nick Odell
Don't remind me! Well, now that you have reminded me I'm thinking about
one of the (many) times I rode home on my C12 in the depths of winter
and just sat on the bike outside my house because I was so cold I
couldn't get off.

<nostalgic sigh>
Those were the days, eh?

It's over 30 years since I was knocked off my bike and was a bit
battered in the process, but was very lucky to have:
1. ended up on the white line rather than under the wheels of the
oncoming rush-hour traffic, and
2. spent more than I could comfortably afford on a really good helmet
and decent protective outer gear.
Wofe refused to let me get another bike (probably wisely) and there is a
lot I missed about riding - but not the arriving places almost paralysed
with cold, or looking as though I'd wet myself. (It didn't matter
*what* I did or how many layers I wore, my waterproofs always ended up
leaking at the crotch. I reckon someone, somewhere in the waterproofs
business is having a good laugh at our expense.)

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Nick Odell
Nameless Group Practice
Walk-in Centre Opening Hours
Mon-Fri 8am - 6pm
Saturdays 9am - 1pm
So, I went along one Saturday at 10.
"Do you have an appointment?"
"No, this is a walk-in centre"
"Only Monday to Friday"
And you wonder why I never go to see a doctor?

The only time I make appointments is for the annual prescription review
which the NHS requires - which by definition is not urgent.

However, when I try to make that appointment the response is
"We don't have any appointment available within the next two weeks."
"Fine, I'm not in any hurry."
"We can't book any appointments outside that two week interval."

[Penny]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:08:02 +0000, Sam Plusnet <***@home.com> scrawled in
the dust...

Post by Sam Plusnet
The only time I make appointments is for the annual prescription review
which the NHS requires - which by definition is not urgent.
However, when I try to make that appointment the response is
"We don't have any appointment available within the next two weeks."
"Fine, I'm not in any hurry."
"We can't book any appointments outside that two week interval."

My meds review is done by a nurse - much easier to get an appointment with
one of those. In fact I think out practice now has more nurses than
doctors. Apparently it's very difficult to recruit doctors here.

Anyone phoning for an 'emergency' appointment will be phoned back by the
triage nurse who may then make an appointment either with him/herself or
with a dr. If you actually want to see a doctor for a consultation the wait
can be 2-3 weeks.

[Fenny]

Post by Penny
If you actually want to see a doctor for a consultation the wait
can be 2-3 weeks.

I just wander over to the surgery and ask for an appointment. I'd
really prefer not to see my designated GP, but she always seems to be
the one available at short notice. As it's a 2 minute walk from my
office and a 10 minute walk from home, I'm fairly happy to take
appointments at any time during the day, up to 8pm, unless it's a
night I should be training and I'm fit enough to do so.

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Fenny
I'd
really prefer not to see my designated GP, but she always seems to be
the one available at short notice.

Might there be a causal relationship between the two things?

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Fenny
I'd
really prefer not to see my designated GP, but she always seems to be
the one available at short notice.

Might there be a causal relationship between the two things?

Just the opposite with my GP.
I started seeing her when she was a new face at the practice. She's now
been the senior partner for several years.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Just the opposite with my GP.
I started seeing her when she was a new face at the practice. She's now
been the senior partner for several years.

My GP must be approaching my age, and I discovered, whilst
attending our medical centre for my flu jab, that he has recently
retired.

Are they supposed to tell me that my allocated doctor has
changed?

Chris

[Penny]

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 12:01:30 +0000, Chris J Dixon <***@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Sam Plusnet
Just the opposite with my GP.
I started seeing her when she was a new face at the practice. She's now
been the senior partner for several years.

My GP must be approaching my age, and I discovered, whilst
attending our medical centre for my flu jab, that he has recently
retired.

All the doctors I liked at my current surgery have retired :(

Post by Chris J Dixon
Are they supposed to tell me that my allocated doctor has
changed?

Dunno, do they actually 'claim' patients like that with the way they run
practices these days? I think it is more a paper exercise. Mine signs my
repeat scripts but I never see her.

Chances are they will have allocated you to the newest dr in the practice.

[LFS]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Sam Plusnet
Just the opposite with my GP.
I started seeing her when she was a new face at the practice. She's now
been the senior partner for several years.

My GP must be approaching my age, and I discovered, whilst
attending our medical centre for my flu jab, that he has recently
retired.

All the doctors I liked at my current surgery have retired :(

That's the trouble with doctors. And dentists. And the replacements all
look about twelve years old.

I asked my new ENT consultant (who looks about twenty) about his
training and experience. I wasn't being difficult, but my problem is
quite rare and I wanted to find out how much he knew about it: turns out
he's something of an expert which was very reassuring. And he rather
charmingly told me that he now had no intention of moving anywhere else
and would be looking after me "for the long haul".

[SODAM]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Sam Plusnet
Just the opposite with my GP.
I started seeing her when she was a new face at the practice. She's now
been the senior partner for several years.

My GP must be approaching my age, and I discovered, whilst
attending our medical centre for my flu jab, that he has recently
retired.
Are they supposed to tell me that my allocated doctor has
changed?
Chris

I don’t think so. I had to fill in a form recently that required the name
of my doctor, to whom I was allocated ten years ago. I had only seen her
once before and hadn’t seen her name on the board at the surgery for a
while. When I rang the surgery to check, I discovered that she had left the
practice some years ago and I had been put on the list of a male doctor
without my being asked.

When I asked for a female doctor instead, it wasn’t a problem. Apparently,
patients can just be transferred. However, not all patients are online and
the cost of postage for a letter now would be hundreds of pounds, so I see
why.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by SODAM
I had to fill in a form recently that required the name
of my doctor, to whom I was allocated ten years ago. I had only seen her
once before and hadn’t seen her name on the board at the surgery for a
while. When I rang the surgery to check, I discovered that she had left the
practice some years ago and I had been put on the list of a male doctor
without my being asked.
When I asked for a female doctor instead, it wasn’t a problem. Apparently,
patients can just be transferred. However, not all patients are online and
the cost of postage for a letter now would be hundreds of pounds, so I see
why.

I am in the process of doing power of attorney forms and had to get
them certified by a GP, it said my named one, to say I was capable of
signing. I knew the name of my named one but thought he was a differnt
Dr! I went in and was very surprised at who it was when I got the
appointment. I think my surprise might have contributed to why he said
he needed to do a longer assessment before signing! He did say it
was because the forms were complicated. Apparently I passed as he
signed :). Now I just have to get the attorneys to sign and that is
like herding cats.

[Penny]

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Post by Vicky Ayech
I am in the process of doing power of attorney forms and had to get
them certified by a GP, it said my named one, to say I was capable of
signing.

That must be new, on the form I used it just had to be someone who had
known me for a few years, I selected a neighbour, who had to sign to say I
wasn't being coerced into it.

Post by Vicky Ayech
I knew the name of my named one but thought he was a differnt
Dr! I went in and was very surprised at who it was when I got the
appointment. I think my surprise might have contributed to why he said
he needed to do a longer assessment before signing! He did say it
was because the forms were complicated. Apparently I passed as he
signed :). Now I just have to get the attorneys to sign and that is
like herding cats.

Indeed, took me a couple of years to get all the signatures done in the
correct order.

[krw]

Post by Chris J Dixon
Are they supposed to tell me that my allocated doctor has
changed?

Don't get me started. Apparently it is too expensive to write letters
to patients telling them about such changes.

According to today's paper the main reason ewe have agp shortage is that
the rules prevent the gps having a better pension, so they might as well
retire. I wonder which idiot thought that was a good idea?

[Fenny]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:25:38 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Fenny
I'd
really prefer not to see my designated GP, but she always seems to be
the one available at short notice.

Might there be a causal relationship between the two things?

She's one of the newly qualified ones and I assume doesn't have a
designated speciality. She also works pretty much full time hours,
rather than part time, like many of the partners. Thus she is often
one of the duty docs and has more available slots.

[BrritSki]

Post by Fenny
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:25:38 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Fenny
I'd
really prefer not to see my designated GP, but she always seems to be
the one available at short notice.

Might there be a causal relationship between the two things?

She's one of the newly qualified ones and I assume doesn't have a
designated speciality. She also works pretty much full time hours,
rather than part time, like many of the partners. Thus she is often
one of the duty docs and has more available slots.

Fnarr, Fnarr.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Nick Odell

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

How did she manage to get an appointment to see her doctor in under
three weeks?
Nick

‘Twas a cancellation

Sincerely Chris

[Mike]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think), Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

[Vicky Ayech]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think),

Whore? I don't really understand this. Is it a saying i've missed up
to now? Incidentally, can whores be male as well as female? There is
some stuff in the sentence that is worrying me. You do get highly
educated call girls. University students apparently sometimes need to
supplement their income.

Post by Mike
Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

This GP is new and doesn't know Lizzie. The regular one might have
been able to assess her better. They get 10 minutes per appointment or
less. We don't know whether they put Lizzie in between others, so it
was rushed. And although people do tend to go in alone often, not with
siblings, I think she was less than clear with the Dr.

[John Ashby]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think),

Whore? I don't really understand this. Is it a saying i've missed up
to now?

It's a Dorothy Parkerism: challenged to write a sentence using the word
"horticulture", she came up with "You can lead a horticulture but you
can't make her think."

HTH, HAND,

john

[Vicky Ayech]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think),

Whore? I don't really understand this. Is it a saying i've missed up
to now?

It's a Dorothy Parkerism: challenged to write a sentence using the word
"horticulture", she came up with "You can lead a horticulture but you
can't make her think."
HTH, HAND,
john

Ah thank you :)
And in my posts I mixed up Shula and Lizzie. It is Lizzie might have a
thyroid problem but the Dr wouldn't know that in order to make an
earlier appointment.

[krw]

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This GP is new and doesn't know Lizzie.

Time for DDD to turn up & make her better.

[Mike]

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Post by Vicky Ayech
This GP is new and doesn't know Lizzie.

Time for DDD to turn up & make her better.

Yes, perhaps she needs an ‘injection’ - fnarr-fnarr.

[Chris McMillan]

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This GP is new and doesn't know Lizzie.

Time for DDD to turn up & make her better.

What happened to him anyway? Professionally I mean. I thought ge’d
returned as a local GP. OAM.

BTN!

Sincerely Chris

[Sid Nuncius]

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This GP is new and doesn't know Lizzie.

Time for DDD to turn up & make her better.

What happened to him anyway? Professionally I mean. I thought ge’d
returned as a local GP. OAM.
BTN!

I'm afraid not.

[Mike]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think),

Whore? I don't really understand this. Is it a saying i've missed up
to now? Incidentally, can whores be male as well as female? There is
some stuff in the sentence that is worrying me. You do get highly
educated call girls. University students apparently sometimes need to
supplement their income.

Post by Mike
Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

This GP is new and doesn't know Lizzie. The regular one might have
been able to assess her better. They get 10 minutes per appointment or
less. We don't know whether they put Lizzie in between others, so it
was rushed. And although people do tend to go in alone often, not with
siblings, I think she was less than clear with the Dr.

‘Listerning’ again, Lizzie seemed to be talking about sleeping pills that
she had had prescribed, albeit in small numbers, but they seemed to be in
her paw rather than a piece of paper for the pharmacist to fulfil.

[Dumrat]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think), Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

Completely agree with you, Mike, I thought all of that whilst listening last night.
Double Harrumph.

[carolet]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think), Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

I think that the appeal had to be cancelled because she had failed to do
some necessary preparatory work. I believe that Lily was talking about
the need to something of the sort when she was around.

[Serena Blanchflower]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think), Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

I think that the appeal had to be cancelled because she had failed to do
some necessary preparatory work. I believe that Lily was talking about
the need to something of the sort when she was around.

I assumed it was something along those lines, as well, although I'd
forgotten about Lily having been talking about stuff which needed doing
for it.

[Chris McMillan]

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So Shula insisted on taking Lizzie to the doctor who has given her sleeping
pills. I foresee tragic consequences (not necessarily for Lizzie herself)
and years of guilty mewling from Shula :(

Rather like taking a horse to water but being powerless to make it drink
(alright, or a whore to culture but not able to make her think), Lizzie may
have entered the surgery but what did she say to the doctor? She sounded
somewhat evasive when answering the saint afterwards; I suspect the doctor
knows far less then we do (unless of course, he/she happens to listen to
TA. I think Lizzie has admitted nothing and intends to do sod all about it
either. Her appeal; she was so evasive about that, again, I don’t think she
even attended.
Harrumph.

We too think she cancelled it.

Sincerely Chris