This racist country?

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o
A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

An interesting read. A lot of long winded crap but much is very accurate.I wonder if Professor King is one of the academics being used for the new curriculum. If the author of the piece is correct they won't let him near it.......

Rich80105

2021-01-26 07:28:00 UTC

On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 21:09:02 -0800 (PST), John Bowes

Michael King died on 30 March 2004.

John Bowes

2021-01-26 21:23:55 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 21:09:02 -0800 (PST), John Bowes

Michael King died on 30 March 2004.

Then an unbiased history curriculum from Hipkins and Co. isn't likely!

George Black

2021-01-26 23:40:45 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 21:09:02 -0800 (PST), John Bowes

Michael King died on 30 March 2004.

Then an unbiased history curriculum from Hipkins and Co. isn't likely!

Every twenty years a 'new' historian comes up with a new set of 'facts'
Been going on for a long time and they avoid those events that show
people in bad lights

John Bowes

2021-01-27 01:14:05 UTC

Post by George Black

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 21:09:02 -0800 (PST), John Bowes

Michael King died on 30 March 2004.

Then an unbiased history curriculum from Hipkins and Co. isn't likely!

Every twenty years a 'new' historian comes up with a new set of 'facts'
Been going on for a long time and they avoid those events that show
people in bad lights

King's history doesn't do a whitewash. Refreshingly honest imo about the history of the country.

George Black

2021-01-26 19:17:40 UTC

No matter the point that the ivory tower wishes to flagellate us with
they will find or invent sufficient blurb for the exercise.
Also its not from the sacred daily dais

Rich80105

2021-01-26 05:38:12 UTC

On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

"All things derived from Europe except our creature comforts must be
set aside as we are expected to embrace all things Maori. "

That certainly sounds bizarre, but thankfully not at all consistent
with my experience. Most of my family tree goes back to England,
Ireland and Scotland in times when these were definitely not regarded
as being part of "Europe," but I see cultural changes including
greater recognition of our shared heritage now from Asia, Pacific
Islands and elsewhere as well as a return to the closer relationship
with Maori than I suspect we had in the early part of last century,
before the migration of many Maori to the cities.

"Several newspapers are falling into line" - into line with what?
There have been no changes to laws that have triggered any changes in
names used - it is possible that Bassett regrets we no longer use the
term "Mother Country", but this is not clear.

"We are expected to acquiesce." Really? Who by? What statements
support this?

And so we could go on - yet another rambling protest at change from
aging "used to be" New Zealanders who would once have had theor
opinions published in newspapers concerned about an audience - running
their own website is appropriate, don't you think?

The comments cover a wide gamut of opinion and are pleasingly polite.

Thank you for drawing this website to out attention, Tony - from it,
the following is perhaps of more interest:
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/housing-affordability-the-utter-failure-of-successive-governments

I have recently been in Auckland and have seen the result of the
changes to land use rules that have increased density and height in
many new developments - the results are not welcome to many of the
nimby brigade where the likes of Brash, Basset and Hyde live, but the
breadth of new building is staggering, and will I am sure have an
effect on housing costs in the medium to long term . . .

Tony

2021-01-26 21:29:31 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

As they should be, not unexpected.
You picked a tiny number of points from the website post, and ignored
everything else.
The thrust of the article is clear, it is about racism; racism that exists
today in this country.

Post by Rich80105
Thank you for drawing this website to out attention, Tony - from it,

No, thyyat is off topic, feel free to post your own thread.

Post by Rich80105
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/housing-affordability-the-utter-failure-of-successive-governments
I have recently been in Auckland and have seen the result of the
changes to land use rules that have increased density and height in
many new developments - the results are not welcome to many of the
nimby brigade where the likes of Brash, Basset and Hyde live,

What nonsense, you cannot sustain that with evidence. But you had to have a
nasty dig at them as usual.

Post by Rich80105
but the
breadth of new building is staggering, and will I am sure have an
effect on housing costs in the medium to long term . . .

What nonsense, you cannot sustain that with evidence.

James Christophers

2021-01-27 00:11:39 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.

What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.

Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?

[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Rich80105

2021-01-27 07:44:32 UTC

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:11:39 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.

Certainly self serving is a description which can be applied widely,
to both the author and to those who he opposes. We can also see
elements of preservaton of power, privilege, Conservatism, even
perhaps a little of an author seeking self-affirmation and an attempt
at relevance. Certainly there have been examples of systemic racism in
ou past, but in recent times it has been the economic impact of the
totality of our joint actions that have been issues of national
interest. From the time when New Zealand was recognised around the
world for the benefits of egalitarianism, we have seen the destructive
influence of the ideological zealots some of whom eventually ended up
supporting ACT.

New Zealand's early history was filled with racism, legislative
discrimination, and legal decisions that favoured English settlers and
ignored the Treaty, yet the days of early Maori politicians such as
Ngata, Carroll and Pamare showed that there was some recognition of
the needs of Maori, and that. despite prejudices, Maori were capable
of electing strong politicians who could hold their own well in a
predominantly pakeha assembly.

Some of those early wrongs have been recognised, but the clear
relative poverty of Maori is a reminder that injustices have not been
reversed.

Some years ago National adopted a slogan of "equal opportunity" - I
suspect while in opposition, as their policies certainly never
supported it. Then Labour had "closing the gap", with limited success
that was then promptly discarded by the next National Government, in
favour of economic apartheid which resulted in for example :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124046498/graeme-hart-nzs-richest-man-makes-34b-during-covid19-pandemic

It is not surprising then that those who can see the injustices have
adopted some of the tactics of business in seeking concessions /
subsidies and at times bribes from government. For all the mock horror
at using the system as others do from the likes of Michael Bassett,
and for the determination from some to at least recognise that there
is a need to be more inclusive to those who have been most damaged by
the system introduced by the government of which he was a part, shows
the lengths to which some will go to find something trivial with which
to attack the victims he failed to help.

That the problems persist is a demonstration that those looking for
government support have been far less successful than the wealthy,
including Graeme Hart, in avoiding any return to truly egalitarian
policies, or even basic fairness in our distorted investment market

Those who Bassett attacks will I am sure agree however with Basset's
statement:
". . . too much power has been allowed to slip into the hands of
crusaders who for too long seem to have been able to commandeer the
resources of others for their own political ends."

Post by James Christophers
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

James Christophers

2021-01-27 21:00:47 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues to run, don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly voice, and in this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even as I was writing the preceding material:

https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s

...now gone global:

https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7

(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer, otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Tony

2021-01-28 03:13:08 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case
amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and
condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and
exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first
nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk
this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall
cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and
inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of
those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will
always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's
characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to
just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and
actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked
insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful
majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you
think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that,
has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose
fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also
meant this metaphorically.

The man is horrible, and has been for decades. Is he racist? Yes, most probably.
But that does not mean that there are no racist Maori and the Bassett article
contains much truth.

Post by James Christophers
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole paper of
record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

John Bowes

2021-01-28 10:51:47 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case
amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and
condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and
exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first
nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk
this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall
cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and
inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of
those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will
always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's
characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to
just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and
actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked
insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful
majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you
think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that,
has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose
fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also
meant this metaphorically.

The man is horrible, and has been for decades. Is he racist? Yes, most probably.
But that does not mean that there are no racist Maori and the Bassett article
contains much truth.

The problem with racism that idiots like Rich ignore is it's not limited to one race!

Rich80105

2021-01-28 03:53:47 UTC

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer, otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett; what is
encouraging is the reaction of the radio station, who are doubtless
aware that advertisers will want to avoid controversy; and have
probably set a new bar on support for repugnant views being supported
by media "personalities" An example of the market working as it
should!

Tony

2021-01-28 06:15:44 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case
amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and
condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and
exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first
nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk
this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall
cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and
inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of
those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will
always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's
characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to
just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and
actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked
insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful
majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you
think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that,
has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose
fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He
also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues to run,
don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly voice, and in
this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even as I was writing
https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole paper of
record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

As I warned in the original post, please consider the content, not who
published it,
It seems you cannot do that.
Banks is a racist, Bassett has not yet demonstrated anything like that so why
do you lump them together.

Post by Rich80105
what is
encouraging is the reaction of the radio station, who are doubtless
aware that advertisers will want to avoid controversy; and have
probably set a new bar on support for repugnant views being supported
by media "personalities" An example of the market working as it
should!

John Bowes

2021-01-28 10:56:18 UTC

Post by Rich80105
Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

<garbage snipped>

Rich can't help himself Tony. Typical of the imbeciles that worship Marx and his stupidity....

John Bowes

2021-01-28 10:54:06 UTC

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:53:57 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
<large snip>

Post by Rich80105
Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett; what is
encouraging is the reaction of the radio station, who are doubtless
aware that advertisers will want to avoid controversy; and have
probably set a new bar on support for repugnant views being supported
by media "personalities" An example of the market working as it
should!

No Rich! It's censorship of the worst kind. I've little time for Banks but silencing him isn't going to make the problem go away. just sweep it under the rug!

James Christophers

2021-01-28 22:27:19 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other equivalence are you suggesting?

That's another aspect of it, but it doesn't contribute to addressing the core issue: the deliberately provocative behaviour of both Basset and Banks. The two may differ in so-called "style", but it essentially amounts to the same thing: the titillating of man's baser primal instincts[1] while knowing it must provoke and foment cultural and race-based disharmony. The moment this happens, all rational argument flies out the window leaving nothing but heated rhetoric and resentment.

[1] 'Primal' in this sense implies 'ineradicable', which is exactly what subtle propagandists and firebrands trade on - the perpetuation of fear, loathing, mistrust and division in order to gain influence and dominance within a nation's cultural and instinctual thought processes - e.g. Nazism's Krystallnacht or Trump's fomented insurgency and putsch against the Capitol and the US Constitution itself.

Rich80105

2021-01-29 00:06:49 UTC

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other equivalence are you suggesting?

Just that - they were invovled in politics at a similar time - and
their adversarial expression of views; their view that their opinions
should be seen as authoritative; in short their arrogance, and you
rightly describe it below their deliberately provocative behaviour.
They came from diffeent parties, but both seem to have been left
behind by less tolerant views towards racial discrimination, and to
tolerance of diversity. Bassett (aged 82) is older than Banks (aged
74), but both were Cabinet Ministers at a similar time - Basset 1987
tp 1990; Banks from 1990 to 1996 (and then later for ACT, where
Bassett has sympathies - he was an unofficial adviser to Brash in the
period 2003 to 2006

That's another aspect of it, but it doesn't contribute to addressing the core issue: the deliberately provocative behaviour of both Basset and Banks. The two may differ in so-called "style", but it essentially amounts to the same thing: the titillating of man's baser primal instincts[1] while knowing it must provoke and foment cultural and race-based disharmony. The moment this happens, all rational argument flies out the window leaving nothing but heated rhetoric and resentment.
[1] 'Primal' in this sense implies 'ineradicable', which is exactly what subtle propagandists and firebrands trade on - the perpetuation of fear, loathing, mistrust and division in order to gain influence and dominance within a nation's cultural and instinctual thought processes - e.g. Nazism's Krystallnacht or Trump's fomented insurgency and putsch against the Capitol and the US Constitution itself.

James Christophers

2021-01-29 02:29:38 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other equivalence are you suggesting?

But there still remains a definable difference between the two. Banks is unembarrassed and uncomplicated in his opinions and his bull-in-a-china-shop ways of expressing them. IOW he is wantonly, nakedly, shamelessly "-ist" to every last fibre of his being as is every bonehead bigot and contrarian you will ever meet. Basset not so, that's if his article is anything to go by. In fact his is more a message, a wakeup call, to the non-maori majority to look to their own cultural interests and preferments, and to be sure adequately to guard and preserve them against what he sees as the undue ingress of minority's cultural (not specifically "racist") customs, mores and values that he perceives can only unduly dilute and subvert or even supplant them.

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively, the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.

So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile, being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the adminstration's too-hard basket.

Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche and identity as any other you can name.

So, is this condition as put by Basset **actually capable** of change and/or reversal? Well, frankly, and since you have yet to suggest such a thing, I think it is now for you and any others contemplating this current scenario to decide for yourselves.

Post by Rich80105
They came from diffeent parties, but both seem to have been left
behind by less tolerant views towards racial discrimination, and to
tolerance of diversity. Bassett (aged 82) is older than Banks (aged
74), but both were Cabinet Ministers at a similar time - Basset 1987
tp 1990; Banks from 1990 to 1996 (and then later for ACT, where
Bassett has sympathies - he was an unofficial adviser to Brash in the
period 2003 to 2006

That's another aspect of it, but it doesn't contribute to addressing the core issue: the deliberately provocative behaviour of both Basset and Banks. The two may differ in so-called "style", but it essentially amounts to the same thing: the titillating of man's baser primal instincts[1] while knowing it must provoke and foment cultural and race-based disharmony. The moment this happens, all rational argument flies out the window leaving nothing but heated rhetoric and resentment.
[1] 'Primal' in this sense implies 'ineradicable', which is exactly what subtle propagandists and firebrands trade on - the perpetuation of fear, loathing, mistrust and division in order to gain influence and dominance within a nation's cultural and instinctual thought processes - e.g. Nazism's Krystallnacht or Trump's fomented insurgency and putsch against the Capitol and the US Constitution itself.

Rich80105

2021-01-29 03:31:07 UTC

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other equivalence are you suggesting?

I agree - being of the same generation does not eliminate differences
- it may have given them a similar acceptance of the mores of their
time, particularly regarding political comment, but they are not the
same.

Post by James Christophers
But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively, the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile, being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche and identity as any other you can name.

I agree. The reality is that both major parties have allowed
immigration from a wider range of countries in recent years - and that
has meant that even National found it necessary to select candidates
with Maori, Chinese and Indian backgrounds. The acceptance of
multi-culturalism has highlights the previous lack of acceptance of
Maori culture, and that has been emphasises by the Treaty claim
process - again supported by both Labour and National, that has
highlighted past injustices. Both Basset and Banks are too
self-centred to understand that they are reaping the natural reqard
for past political decisions; it is just that they are set in their
self-centred ways to see that they are not keeping up.

Post by James Christophers
So, is this condition as put by Basset **actually capable** of change and/or reversal? Well, frankly, and since you have yet to suggest such a thing, I think it is now for you and any others contemplating this current scenario to decide for yourselves.

That's another aspect of it, but it doesn't contribute to addressing the core issue: the deliberately provocative behaviour of both Basset and Banks. The two may differ in so-called "style", but it essentially amounts to the same thing: the titillating of man's baser primal instincts[1] while knowing it must provoke and foment cultural and race-based disharmony. The moment this happens, all rational argument flies out the window leaving nothing but heated rhetoric and resentment.
[1] 'Primal' in this sense implies 'ineradicable', which is exactly what subtle propagandists and firebrands trade on - the perpetuation of fear, loathing, mistrust and division in order to gain influence and dominance within a nation's cultural and instinctual thought processes - e.g. Nazism's Krystallnacht or Trump's fomented insurgency and putsch against the Capitol and the US Constitution itself.

James Christophers

2021-01-30 01:16:40 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other equivalence are you suggesting?

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively, the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile, being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche and identity as any other you can name.

All of which may be so. But what could be more instructive than to witness two raddled and determinedly pakeha commentators exercising their long-since decrepit defence mechanisms, a piteous behaviour only further emphasising and exposing their own way-up-there-in-lights cultural insecurities?

And as if to pile Pelion on Ossa, I rather doubt whether today's maori 16.7% percent of the total population occupying 25% of our 120-seat Parliament will bring them any comfort or reassurance, either.

Tony

2021-01-30 01:47:54 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

As they should be, not unexpected.
You picked a tiny number of points from the website post, and
ignored
everything else.
The thrust of the article is clear, it is about racism; racism
that exists
today in this country.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in
this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists
and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism
and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as
"first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will
milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the
overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes
unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say
it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on
others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under
discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among
New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to
the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their
apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem
the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism
they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values.
Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any
government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a
voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's
pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues to
run, don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly voice, and
in this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even as I was
https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole
paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other
equivalence are you suggesting?

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively,
the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural
majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been
indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and
morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face omission,
but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile, being
himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too late
- to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the
adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as
much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche
and identity as any other you can name.

How sad is that? Not sure who you are referring to however.
You and Rich have been determined to change the topic emphasis. I wonder why.

Post by James Christophers
And as if to pile Pelion on Ossa, I rather doubt whether today's maori 16.7%
percent of the total population occupying 25% of our 120-seat Parliament will
bring them any comfort or reassurance, either.

Seems like an appropriate percentage to me.

Rich80105

2021-01-30 02:20:48 UTC

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:16:40 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as "first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values. Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other equivalence are you suggesting?

Just that - they were involved in politics at a similar time - and
their adversarial expression of views; their view that their opinions
should be seen as authoritative; in short their arrogance, and you
rightly describe it below their deliberately provocative behaviour.

More instructive is the reaction to such blatant offensive words - and
the determination by some to see it stopped - using the power of
public opinion to persuade advertisers to withdraw support from those
organisations that condone such behaviour - see for example:
https://www.webworm.co/p/magictalkcancer

Post by James Christophers
And as if to pile Pelion on Ossa, I rather doubt whether today's maori 16.7% percent of the total population occupying 25% of our 120-seat Parliament will bring them any comfort or reassurance, either.

Tony

2021-01-30 02:49:24 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:16:40 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 13:11:40 UTC+13, James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

As they should be, not unexpected.
You picked a tiny number of points from the website post, and
ignored
everything else.
The thrust of the article is clear, it is about racism; racism
that exists
today in this country.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in
this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists
and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism
and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as
"first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will
milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the
overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes
unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say
it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on
others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under
discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among
New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to
the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their
apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem
the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism
they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values.
Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any
government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a
voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's
pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues to
run, don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly voice, and
in this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even as I was
https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole
paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other
equivalence are you suggesting?

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively,
the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural
majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been
indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and
morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face
omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile,
being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too
late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the
adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as
much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche
and identity as any other you can name.

So John Banks is a racist. Who would have thought? He has demonstrated that for
decades.
Well done for your perspicacity.

Rich80105

2021-01-30 04:13:46 UTC

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:49:24 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:16:40 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 13:11:40 UTC+13, James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

As they should be, not unexpected.
You picked a tiny number of points from the website post, and
ignored
everything else.
The thrust of the article is clear, it is about racism; racism
that exists
today in this country.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in
this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists
and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an exceptionalism
and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see themselves as
"first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui Walker[1], they will
milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point where the
overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally becomes
unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority - and dare I say
it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum ways on
others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under
discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural apathy among
New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I think, down to
the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get off their
apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is required to stem
the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority exceptionalism
they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own cultural values.
Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government, or any
government come to that, has become your master, then ask yourselves, in a
voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's
pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues to
run, don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly voice, and
in this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even as I was
https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole
paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other
equivalence are you suggesting?

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively,
the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural
majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been
indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and
morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face
omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile,
being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too
late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the
adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as
much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche
and identity as any other you can name.

So John Banks is a racist. Who would have thought? He has demonstrated that for
decades.
Well done for your perspicacity.

Perhaps you did not read very far into the link. His racism had been
well established in this threadconsistent principles suggest the same
solution may be used for others.

Tony

2021-01-30 04:32:41 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:49:24 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:16:40 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 13:11:40 UTC+13, James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

As they should be, not unexpected.
You picked a tiny number of points from the website post, and
ignored
everything else.
The thrust of the article is clear, it is about racism; racism
that exists
today in this country.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in
this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists
and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an
exceptionalism
and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see
themselves as
"first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui
Walker[1], they will
milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point
where the
overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally
becomes
unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority -
and dare I say
it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum
ways on
others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under
discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural
apathy among
New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I
think, down to
the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get
off their
apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is
required to stem
the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority
exceptionalism
they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own
cultural values.
Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government,
or any
government come to that, has become your master, then ask
yourselves, in a
voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's
pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues to
run, don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly
voice, and
in this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even
as I was
https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole
paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot
and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other
equivalence are you suggesting?

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively,
the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural
majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been
indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and
morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face
omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile,
being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings - again too
late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the
adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as
much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche
and identity as any other you can name.

So John Banks is a racist. Who would have thought? He has demonstrated that for
decades.
Well done for your perspicacity.

Perhaps you did not read very far into the link. His racism had been
well established in this threadconsistent principles suggest the same
solution may be used for others.

Perhaps you did not understand what this topic was really about.

John Bowes

2021-01-30 05:04:08 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:49:24 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:16:40 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:29:38 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:27:19 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), James Christophers

On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 13:11:40 UTC+13, James
Christophers

On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 10:29:37 UTC+13, undefined

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:07:42 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot net

Post by Tony
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/new-zealand-s-modern-cultural-cringe?fbclid=IwAR3pMZaHFKa9yL7KPDCo-BC9cxTIxivr7MsHRn8-cMK37zzjG05EgGUvI-o

A plea to the bigotted, read the content not the publisher.

As they should be, not unexpected.
You picked a tiny number of points from the website post, and
ignored
everything else.
The thrust of the article is clear, it is about racism; racism
that exists
today in this country.

I prefer to call it self-serving race-based preferment which in
this case amounts to cultural exceptionalism.
What is being promoted and practised by exceptionalist activists
and condoned by their political fellow-travellers speaks of an
exceptionalism
and exclusivity claimed as if by Devine Right by those who see
themselves as
"first nation". Indeed, according to the late Sir Ranganui
Walker[1], they will
milk this exceptionalism for all it's worth, in fact to the point
where the
overall cost and disruption caused economically and societally
becomes
unnaturally and inequitably disproportionate to the minority -
and dare I say
it, merit - of those who would impose their far- too-often hokum
ways on
others.
Further, cultural activism by a minority of the kind under
discussion will always win out over a taken-for-granted cultural
apathy among
New Zealand's characteristically fretful majority. So it is, I
think, down to
the latter to just stop whining fruitlessly to each other, get
off their
apathetic butts and actually get down to devising whatever is
required to stem
the unchecked insinuation of a wholly self-serving minority
exceptionalism
they, the fretful majority, perceive as a threat to their own
cultural values.
Moreover, if you think or even actually believe this government,
or any
government come to that, has become your master, then ask
yourselves, in a
voter-based democracy whose fault is that?
[1] "The Maori will always have his hand in the white man's
pocket". He also meant this metaphorically.

For as long as Sir Ranganui Walker's unedifying warning continues
to
run, don't be surprised if and when naked racism is given its ugly
voice, and
in this instance nationwide to boot. Here it is, made known even
as I was
https://tinyurl.com/y6oodu7s
https://tinyurl.com/y6h65de7
(The Daily Mail enjoys the dubious distinction of being the sole
paper of record catering to the hard-right, exceptionalist bigot
and Brexiteer,
otherwise known collectively as "gammons".)

Banks is of course from much the same generation as Bassett;

So the two gentlemen are contemporaries. So what? Exactly what other
equivalence are you suggesting?

But - and it is a big but - he offers not one word on how, collectively,
the majority might contrive and effect the required remedy when the cultural
majority - yes, along with the "opposing" minority - have for too long been
indoctrinated, as one, in what I view as the culturally, spiritually and
morally regressive and insinuating ways of Political Correctness gone mad.
So his article fails not only because of this crucial in-yer-face
omission, but also because Basset is, as it were, too late by a country mile,
being himself for too long a part of the very problem he now brings -
again too
late - to both the majority's already pitiful attention-span, and the
adminstration's too-hard basket.
Nature abhors a vacuum and will always seek to fill it. This applies as
much to a lack of moral substance and determination in a nation's core psyche
and identity as any other you can name.

So John Banks is a racist. Who would have thought? He has demonstrated that for
decades.
Well done for your perspicacity.

Perhaps you did not read very far into the link. His racism had been
well established in this threadconsistent principles suggest the same
solution may be used for others.

Perhaps you did not understand what this topic was really about.

More to the point: Does Rich EVER understand a topic?

Rich80105

2021-01-30 06:57:38 UTC