Is jean françois delcamp an idiot ?

[jpw]

every body knows delcamp.net

the best forum of classical guitar in the world

but who knows really jean françois delcamp ??
you can watch this :

only one people ?

oh no !

I know many people like this one

and I have this question : Is jean françois delcamp an idiot ??

who can give me an anwser ??

jpw

I beg your pardon for my poor english
I'm french, it was a cold day in southern burgundy to day
my french site on classical guitare in begining is
http://123guitare.com
I'm an old beginner (sixty)
you can find a poor video of me on you tube at 123guitare
i'ts my first message on this forum
...

[Miguel de Maria]

I can't say I like his forum's heavy handed approach.

I was playing a wedding and needed to play some religious song--asked
if anyone had an arrangement. The mods deleted my message.

At some other point, I mentioned something or other about my business
(guitar playing, that is), and it was deleted. Something about self-
promotion not being allowed.

Don't think I'll be back.

[jpw]

Post by Miguel de Maria
I can't say I like his forum's heavy handed approach.

yes I like it too

Post by Miguel de Maria
I was playing a wedding and needed to play some religious song--asked
if anyone had an arrangement. The mods deleted my message.

ok but if everybody have the same "way"
it's ok

Post by Miguel de Maria
At some other point, I mentioned something or other about my business
(guitar playing, that is), and it was deleted. Something about self-
promotion not being allowed.

oh yé
one of french luthier : michel donaday was banned
for speaking of his job

joël laplane no

no problem I like the both
and if I have to buy a guitar
these of donnadey are too expensive form me

but......................

excuse me my english is very vey poor ....

jpw

Post by Miguel de Maria
Don't think I'll be back.

[dofrenzy]

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net
the best forum of classical guitar in the world
but who knows really jean françois delcamp ??
http://youtu.be/GSJb1d8QtDY
only one people ?
oh no !
I know many people like this one
and I have this question : Is jean françois delcamp an idiot ??
who can give me an anwser ??
jpw
I beg your pardon for my poor english
I'm french, it was a cold day in southern burgundy to day
my french site on classical guitare in begining ishttp://123guitare.com
I'm an old beginner (sixty)
you can find a poor video of me on you tube at 123guitare
i'ts my first message on this forum
...

Since your very first post here accuses another guitarist of being an
idiot, let me be the first to say "Bienvenue!" You're going to fit
right in here.

Nice YouTube piece.

Not only are many of us familiar with Delcamp forum, but many of us
are also aware of the "heavy-handed" moderating. I've never been a
member there myself. I hang out here, and at the CG forum at
Acousticguitar.com.

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by dofrenzy
Since your very first post here accuses another guitarist of being an
idiot, let me be the first to say "Bienvenue!" You're going to fit
right in here.

Hahahahaha!!!!!

Andresito

[c***@hotmail.com]

Pour avoir ete censuree sans motif, puis bannie sans explication par
l'administrateur du forum Delcamp quand j'ai essaye de faire savoir
aux autres membres de ce forum que censure et langue de bois en sont
les fondements, je comprend parfaitement la colere, amertume,
desillusion ou tristesse qui animent certain d'entre vous.
Cecile, ex-membres du forum Delcamp.

I have been censored without motive, then banished by the
administrator when I had try to explain the situation to the other
members. So I understand pretty well your feelings....
Cecile, ex-Delcamp's member.

[t***@googlemail.com]

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Pour avoir ete censuree sans motif, puis bannie sans explication par
l'administrateur du forum Delcamp quand j'ai essaye de faire savoir
aux autres membres de ce forum que censure et langue de bois en sont
les fondements, je comprend parfaitement la colere, amertume,
desillusion ou tristesse qui animent certain d'entre vous.
Cecile, ex-membres du forum Delcamp.
I have been censored without motive, then banished by the
administrator when I had try to explain the situation to the other
members. So I understand pretty well your feelings....
Cecile, ex-Delcamp's member.

hi cecile

you are very welcome to look at our little forum - its very relaxed!
On y parle un peut de francais http://www.earlyguitar.info/forum/

[cmcanulty]

I posted on Delcamp- for years and was at a level to download pieces
as I had posted enough. Then I get an email that he had accidentally
deleted my account. So I asked to be reinstated at the level I was at
and in return he permanently banned me.

[Wollybird]

Post by cmcanulty
I posted on Delcamp- for years and was at a level to download pieces
as I had posted enough. Then I get an email that he had accidentally
deleted my account. So I asked to be reinstated at the level I was at
and in return he permanently banned me.

He sounds more like a guitar nazi than an idiot, if you ask me.

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by Wollybird
He sounds more like a guitar nazi than an idiot, if you ask me.

Let's send him to Argentina with the Soup Nazi.

Andrew

[Jez]

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net
the best forum of classical guitar in the world
but who knows really jean françois delcamp ??
http://youtu.be/GSJb1d8QtDY

Played a little slow IMHO, but keep at it.

Post by jpw
only one people ?
oh no !
I know many people like this one
and I have this question : Is jean françois delcamp an idiot ??
who can give me an anwser ??

Who cares, life's too short.
Fuck 'em.
Heads up they're arses, and all that.

Don't wear a tux, they give you acne.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net

The moderators are intermediate students with very fragile egos who
don't know anything much trying to help other intermediate students who
know even less. Ask yourself what kind of person would want to be a
moderator. Censorship leads to mediocrity, and it becomes inevitable
that the blind lead the blind. That's the way it is, and that's the way
it will always be. Forget it, your time is better spent practicing.

Mediocrity is too high a price to pay for civility and politeness,
especially when so much of it comes without any sincerity at all. I
haven't been kicked out that I know of, yet, I'm just not visiting,
reading, or posting there any more. I probably will be booted now. I'm
in good company. :-) daveA

[dsi1]

Post by David Raleigh Arnold

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net

The moderators are intermediate students with very fragile egos who
don't know anything much trying to help other intermediate students who
know even less. Ask yourself what kind of person would want to be a
moderator. Censorship leads to mediocrity, and it becomes inevitable
that the blind lead the blind. That's the way it is, and that's the way
it will always be. Forget it, your time is better spent practicing.
Mediocrity is too high a price to pay for civility and politeness,
especially when so much of it comes without any sincerity at all. I
haven't been kicked out that I know of, yet, I'm just not visiting,
reading, or posting there any more. I probably will be booted now. I'm
in good company. :-) daveA

I find it funny as shit that these two popular forums are polar
opposites of each other. Wish I knew what this means. Delcamp.net is the
old world and RMCG is the brave new world. Medieval vs modern. Order vs
chaos. Choose your poison, baby! :-)

david

[Wollybird]

Post by dsi1

Post by David Raleigh Arnold

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net

The moderators are intermediate students with very fragile egos who
don't know anything much trying to help other intermediate students who
know even less. Ask yourself what kind of person would want to be a
moderator. Censorship leads to mediocrity, and it becomes inevitable
that the blind lead the blind. That's the way it is, and that's the way
it will always be. Forget it, your time is better spent practicing.
Mediocrity is too high a price to pay for civility and politeness,
especially when so much of it comes without any sincerity at all. I
haven't been kicked out that I know of, yet, I'm just not visiting,
reading, or posting there any more.  I probably will be booted now.  I'm
in good company.  :-)  daveA

I find it funny as shit that these two popular forums are polar
opposites of each other. Wish I knew what this means. Delcamp.net is the
old world and RMCG is the brave new world. Medieval vs modern. Order vs
chaos. Choose your poison, baby! :-)
david- Hide quoted text -
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would you rather live in a jungle or a prision?

[dsi1]

Post by Wollybird
would you rather live in a jungle or a prision?

Glad I don't have to make the choice - he said as he skirted the question...

One of our medieval loving, absolutist-in-residence here should check
out that forum to see how things git done old-school. Hee-hee.

david

[Miguel de Maria]

Post by dsi1

Post by Wollybird
would you rather live in a jungle or a prision?

Glad I don't have to make the choice - he said as he skirted the question...
One of our medieval loving, absolutist-in-residence here should check
out that forum to see how things git done old-school. Hee-hee.
david

Good point. Delcamp is not an idiot, just a socialist.

This is the Wild West; that's France.

[l***@gmail.com]

I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other (is it a nazi idea ? you should take care of the words
you are using !!!!)
The forum, due to french laws, have rules. Subscribing to the forum
you accept the rules. What I see is that some people don't accept
rules. and then complain.
In a country (even in US) if you don't respect laws you go to jail
(even in US you could be legally killed....is it France a medieval
country and Us a modern one on this point?) Hopefully it is not the
case on a forum... There are allways complaining people, and they
shout louder than happy people. Ask all the user of Delcamp you will
find they think it is the best place to be for a guitarist.
Val (moderateur of the English Delcamp forum and proud to be ! and my
ego, dear DRA is not as big and as fragile as yours, lol)

[jpw]

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other (is it a nazi idea ? you should take care of the words
you are using !!!!)
The forum, due to french laws, have rules. Subscribing to the forum
you accept the rules. What I see is that some people don't accept
rules. and then complain.

hello valery !

what rules I don't accept ?
please tell me
and françois holay, and cecile, and so many other people

the only people I know that not respect rules is jean françois delcamp

Unexpected, is'nt it ?

Post by l***@gmail.com
In a country (even in US) if you don't respect laws you go to jail
(even in US you could be legally killed...

I receive something like this from a "lawyer", a friend of jean françois
delcamp

I beg your pardon for my poor english

now in french :
oui tu as raison, val le forum est un bel endroit
était, car pour moi m'être fait virer 2 fois sans
avertissement je ne supporte plus
si tu trouves pourquoi j'ai été viré après plus de 1200 messages
n'hésite pas à me le faire savoir.

c'est le pourquoi de ma question sur ce forum.

merci

jpw

ps : personnellement je te remercie de m'avoir fait découvrir et aprécier le
luth
jamais je n'aurais eu l'idée de m'y intéresser si je ne t'avais pas croisé
sur ce
forum.....

[Wollybird]

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other (is it a nazi idea ? you should take care of the words
you are using !!!!)
The forum, due to french laws, have rules. Subscribing to the forum
you accept the rules. What I see is that some people don't accept
rules. and then complain.
In a country (even in US) if you don't respect laws you go to jail
(even in  US you could be legally killed....is it France a medieval
country and Us a modern one on this point?) Hopefully it is not the
case on a forum...  There are allways complaining people, and they
shout louder than happy people. Ask all the user of Delcamp you will
find they think it is the best place to be for a guitarist.
Val (moderateur of the English Delcamp forum and proud to be ! and my
ego, dear DRA is not as big and as fragile as yours, lol)

Guitar Nazi is a reference to an infamous bit on a popular US TV show.
I've read the forum, and found it to be redundant and pedestrian. To
each his own. Several people here have mentioned being kicked out for
trivial reasons. For instance Tony Morris for posting a link to
Youtube.
Soup Nazi:

[David Raleigh Arnold]

I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could meet.
The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and help
each other (is it a nazi idea ? you should take care of the words you
are using !!!!)
The forum, due to french laws, have rules. Subscribing to the forum you
accept the rules. What I see is that some people don't accept rules. and
then complain.

The members continue to follow the rules because they have no choice if
they wish to remain members. It's not a democracy, so of course the
members all agree with whatever you say. If the moderators, or one
moderator, does not always enforce the rules fairly, the experience
becomes unpleasant. I refuse to make that my problem. That does not
mean that I have anything against M. Delcamp. It was not I who insulted
him. My way or the highway? I choose the highway.

It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be free
of professionalism. The clear implication is that if one posts there, he
is saying that he is not a professional. I'm outta there. Do not his
policies make mediocrity inevitable? His problem, and yours, not mine.

And the hostility in your message, directed at me personally by name,
seems to suggest a very fragile ego indeed. There is a medieval saying:
"Every man eats a peck of xxxx in his lifetime." Chow down. There's a
fly on mine. ;-) daveA

[e***@yahoo.com]

On Mar 21, 8:35 am, David Raleigh Arnold <***@cox.net> wrote:
<snip>

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be free
of professionalism.  The clear implication is that if one posts there, he
is saying that he is not a professional.  

.
There are several discussion groups that limit the content of posts to
the instrument or topic stated. The Bottomline Bass digest is made up
of mostly gigging musicians who talk only Bass; TalkBass has a similar
mix of professional and amateur membership. The responses are
professional because the members actually play instruments in bands
and perform for audiences.

The Yahoo CG discussion group is moderated and stays on topic. (No
need searching RMCG - I was suspended twice from the Yahoo group but
I'm back on and staying on topic). To say that moderated discussion
groups are not professional is to be self-serving.

True that some may consider moderated groups less "exciting" but they
are professional. There may not be the volume of posts but that is a
good thing. It's amazing how so many Google/Usenet groups have been
hijacked by extremely partisan political discussions lately.

[Miguel de Maria]

<snip>> It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be free

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
of professionalism.  The clear implication is that if one posts there, he
is saying that he is not a professional.  

.
There are several discussion groups that limit the content of posts to
the instrument or topic stated.  The Bottomline Bass digest is made up
of mostly gigging musicians who talk only Bass; TalkBass has a similar
mix of professional and amateur membership.  The responses are
professional because the members actually play instruments in bands
and perform for audiences.
The Yahoo CG discussion group is moderated and stays on topic.  (No
need searching RMCG - I was suspended twice from the Yahoo group but
I'm back on and staying on topic).  To say that moderated discussion
groups are not professional is to be self-serving.
 True that some may consider moderated groups less "exciting" but they
are professional.  There may not be the volume of posts but that is a
good thing.  It's amazing how so many Google/Usenet groups have been
hijacked by extremely partisan political discussions lately.

Ed,
the very point is that they consistently kick out the professionals.
Therefore, the discussion tends to be amateurish in the common sense,
not the etymologically French sense, of the world.

That is why even this ridiculous forum is better than the insipid mess
that e-borneo was, where home-hackers commiserated in their lack of
ambition and Aryeh presided over it all with pure persistence and
nastiness! At least here, everyone can be freely nasty to each other.

[t***@googlemail.com]

Post by Miguel de Maria

<snip>> It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be free

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
of professionalism. The clear implication is that if one posts there, he
is saying that he is not a professional.

.
There are several discussion groups that limit the content of posts to
the instrument or topic stated. The Bottomline Bass digest is made up
of mostly gigging musicians who talk only Bass; TalkBass has a similar
mix of professional and amateur membership. The responses are
professional because the members actually play instruments in bands
and perform for audiences.
The Yahoo CG discussion group is moderated and stays on topic. (No
need searching RMCG - I was suspended twice from the Yahoo group but
I'm back on and staying on topic). To say that moderated discussion
groups are not professional is to be self-serving.
True that some may consider moderated groups less "exciting" but they
are professional. There may not be the volume of posts but that is a
good thing. It's amazing how so many Google/Usenet groups have been
hijacked by extremely partisan political discussions lately.

Ed,
the very point is that they consistently kick out the professionals.
Therefore, the discussion tends to be amateurish in the common sense,
not the etymologically French sense, of the world.
That is why even this ridiculous forum is better than the insipid mess
that e-borneo was, where home-hackers commiserated in their lack of
ambition and Aryeh presided over it all with pure persistence and
nastiness! At least here, everyone can be freely nasty to each other.

I t seems that Delcamp and this forum are extremes. . I have always
felt much more comfortable posting on Delcamp where there is more of
an ethos of civility ; There are great threads here ...eg the recent
Scarlatti one. And some fine, helpful and knowledgeable folks here .
But in general I feel sfer 'lurking' On Delcamp too - there are very
knowledgeable people , and some fine players. Its sometimes
encouraging hearing the less fine players too...The reality is that
for every profession there are thousands of amateurs, so some
discussions there are at a basic level. I am sure a lot of relative
beginners , through exposure to more experienced players do realise
they need to get professional tuition,or at least seriously consider
what changes to make , and learn to work at pieces more within their
abilies rather thn trying to play asturias from tab after 3 months. I
really dont think they 'consistently kick out professionals' - but
then it seems its happened a couple of times.
Maybe its just got too big for its own good .I dont care for the very
regulated nature there , and feel concern for what Warp and 123guitar
say about their experiences, so I feel less comfortable posting
there. I do like a lot of the people there so I probably will
(hopefully I wont be kicked out for writing this ;-)

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by e***@yahoo.com
To say that moderated discussion
groups are not professional is to be self-serving.

What's self-serving is the moderator's pretensions to an understanding
of the topic. In both the Delcamp and the Yahoo groups, I failed to
detect even a minuscule indication that these guys had any idea what
this is all about.

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[alnair]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by e***@yahoo.com
To say that moderated discussion
groups are not professional is to be self-serving.

What's self-serving is the moderator's pretensions to an understanding
of the topic. In both the Delcamp and the Yahoo groups, I failed to
detect even a minuscule indication that these guys had any idea what
this is all about.
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]http://www.editionsorphee.comhttp://matanya.livejournal.com

Just to give an idea of my small experience on Delcamp.net
I've been bannished 4 times (as I was coming in by the window ...)
because I just tried to defend Michel Donadey who is an experienced
guitarmaker, to have said to some people that their recordings were
not good and to have written to one of the moderators that a lot of
uncultured people were speaking about things they don't know ...
Mediocrity and ignorance are constant factor on this website and they
just reflect the spirit of Mister Delcamp ... And I was also surprised
to read some things as "My first string broke, what can I do ?"
"Mr Laplane is an efficient guitarmaker : on his student ghuitars ((in
fact simple Alhambraz guitars with his own label ...)) he spend a lot
of time to thickhen the soundboard by the interior of the guitar
((!!!!!!!!!!))" ...
No idea about which in french is called "connerie sans fin" ....
I just tried to bring a 35 years experience, a knowledge of the
repertoire and of guitar building and the desire to share a lot of
documents (which I did directly with some members) ; Delcamp just
tried to use my documents, my fac similes and my knowledge of the
baroque guitar ...
And as I just read that Mr Ophee and Fabio Zanon had been bannished
from this forum, I really consider now that JFD is also wearing a
"connerie sans fin" ... Mediocrity, mediocrity and mediocrity are the
pillars of his action.

[John Rimmer]

<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8b97e25e-4f97-47d6-ab37-***@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 21, 8:35 am, David Raleigh Arnold <***@cox.net> wrote:
<snip>

Post by e***@yahoo.com

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be free
of professionalism. The clear implication is that if one posts there, he
is saying that he is not a professional.

It's amazing how so many Google/Usenet groups have been
hijacked by extremely partisan political discussions lately.

You always are in the thick of these with your own perspective, Ed. Are you
complaining?

John

[e***@yahoo.com]

Post by e***@yahoo.com
<snip>

Post by e***@yahoo.com

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be free
of professionalism. The clear implication is that if one posts there, he
is saying that he is not a professional.

It's amazing how so many Google/Usenet groups have been
hijacked by extremely partisan political discussions lately.

You always are in the thick of these with your own perspective, Ed.  Are you
complaining?
John

Doesn't read like a complaint to me. I reread and rewrote it several
times so it was as neutral as I could make it. I have curtailed my OT
posting. Just my personal decision.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

Post by e***@yahoo.com
<snip>

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
It is a fact that he wants his forum to be amateurs only, and to be
free of professionalism.  The clear implication is that if one posts
there, he is saying that he is not a professional.

The Yahoo CG discussion group is moderated and stays on topic. (No need
searching RMCG - I was suspended twice from the Yahoo group but I'm back
on and staying on topic). To say that moderated discussion groups are
not professional is to be self-serving.

I never said anything of that sort. I said that M. Delcamp does not want
professionals in his forum. I said that the heavy handed moderation in
M. Delcamp's forum tends to a mediocre forum. Two separate statements.
It is true that all censorship promotes mediocrity, but as you imply
that's a matter of degree and balance. The exclusion of professionals--
not so much. daveA

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other

That is as phony as a 3 franc bill. I have been banned from that forum
for trying to share my knowledge of guitar matters. Frederic Zigante,
probably one of the most important editors of guitar music active
today, was banned for telling the members of his new edition of the
Villa-Lobos guitar works. That was considered as advertisement and
against the rules, regardless of the fact that thousands of guitarists
all over the world were waiting breathlessly for that edition to come
out.

Yes, they have rules, but the rules are dumb and have nothing to do
with French law. They have to do with only one thing: one man's
twisted notion of himself as an arbiter of guitar issues. The end
result of his stupid arrogant policies is that membership is reduced
to the lowest common denominator, and the discussion level is
pitifully pedestrian infantilism.



Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[Tashi]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other

That is as phony as a 3 franc bill. I have been banned from that forum
for trying to share my knowledge of guitar matters. Frederic Zigante,
probably one of the most important editors of guitar music active
today, was banned for telling the members of his new edition of the
Villa-Lobos guitar works. That was considered as advertisement and
against the rules, regardless of the fact that thousands of guitarists
all over the world were waiting breathlessly for that edition to come
out.
Yes, they have rules, but the rules are dumb and have nothing to do
with French law. They have to do with only one thing: one man's
twisted notion of himself as an arbiter of guitar issues. The end
result of his stupid arrogant policies is that membership is reduced
to the lowest common denominator, and the discussion level is
pitifully pedestrian  infantilism.
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]http://www.editionsorphee.comhttp://matanya.livejournal.com

Matanya I'm shocked someone with your expertize has been kicked off
any forum, expecially a guitar forum. I think we were 1 for 1, but now
you've slipped ahead of me. I'll do my best to fix this in the near
future.

MT

[Carlos Barrientos]

Post by Tashi

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other

That is as phony as a 3 franc bill. I have been banned from that forum
for trying to share my knowledge of guitar matters. Frederic Zigante,
probably one of the most important editors of guitar music active
today, was banned for telling the members of his new edition of the
Villa-Lobos guitar works. That was considered as advertisement and
against the rules, regardless of the fact that thousands of guitarists
all over the world were waiting breathlessly for that edition to come
out.
Yes, they have rules, but the rules are dumb and have nothing to do
with French law. They have to do with only one thing: one man's
twisted notion of himself as an arbiter of guitar issues. The end
result of his stupid arrogant policies is that membership is reduced
to the lowest common denominator, and the discussion level is
pitifully pedestrian infantilism.
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]http://www.editionsorphee.comhttp://matanya.livejournal.com

Matanya I'm shocked someone with your expertize has been kicked off
any forum, expecially a guitar forum. I think we were 1 for 1, but now
you've slipped ahead of me. I'll do my best to fix this in the near
future.
MT

I dunno, I showed up and looked around and... didn't have anything to
say, perhaps I'll get thrown out of there for not saying anything, which
i understand is possible as well.

;)

[jpw]

I dunno, I showed up and looked around and... didn't have anything to say,
perhaps I'll get thrown out of there for not saying anything, which i
understand is possible as well.

on the french forum you must write something one time a month :
il you are on forum from 3 months and you have posted only 2 message
you are out

the rules seems a littles complicated (for me)

if you are only visitor what you can see and nothing is not really
different

if you are looking for a sheet, you must register

and so you can look at what scores there are from lever 1 to level for
but you cannot download nothing
il you want to download you must write two messages and ask
to be aproved, you have to wait (from 2 hours to 2 days)
and after you can down load scores

you avec scores, and now you want to ear MP3 ?
mp3 level 1 are on french forum it's ok

but mp3 level two are on Italian forum
so you must registre on Italian forum
write two messages
ask to be approved and so y'ou can download mp3
level 2

mp3 level tree ??
it's the same but on english forum

mp3 level 4 on spanish forum

mp3 level 5 ?
stop ! to can look at the scores of level 5 and more you must write 20
messages
and ask to be aproved

mp3 level 5 are ??
I don't remember
but I'm a poor beginner.

it's funny !
isn't it ??

jpw

[Carlos Barrientos]

Post by jpw

I dunno, I showed up and looked around and... didn't have anything to say,
perhaps I'll get thrown out of there for not saying anything, which i
understand is possible as well.

il you are on forum from 3 months and you have posted only 2 message
you are out
the rules seems a littles complicated (for me)
if you are only visitor what you can see and nothing is not really
different
if you are looking for a sheet, you must register
and so you can look at what scores there are from lever 1 to level for
but you cannot download nothing
il you want to download you must write two messages and ask
to be aproved, you have to wait (from 2 hours to 2 days)
and after you can down load scores
you avec scores, and now you want to ear MP3 ?
mp3 level 1 are on french forum it's ok
but mp3 level two are on Italian forum
so you must registre on Italian forum
write two messages
ask to be approved and so y'ou can download mp3
level 2
mp3 level tree ??
it's the same but on english forum
mp3 level 4 on spanish forum
mp3 level 5 ?
stop ! to can look at the scores of level 5 and more you must write 20
messages
and ask to be aproved
mp3 level 5 are ??
I don't remember
but I'm a poor beginner.
it's funny !
isn't it ??
jpw

J'ai cessé de sauter par des cercles quand j'étais un garçon âgé de sept
ans. Je l'ai trouvé indigne alors, et plus tellement maintenant à
cinquante quatre. Vous comprenez ? Je vous en prie, excuse, svp, mon
français.

I stopped jumping through hoops when I was a seven year old boy. I found
it undignified then, and more so now at fifty four. You understand? I
beg you, please excuse my french.

[l***@gmail.com]

C'est amusant que M. Ophée se fasse jeter de tous les forums où il
s'inscrit... La faute aux forums bien sur...
Quand à la politesse de M. DRA, elle montre bien le personnage.
Si ces forums sont si infantiles, pourquoi tirer à boulets rouges
dessus ? Là encore je reprend à mon compte la citation d'égo infantile
pour ceux qui se livrent à de telles bassesses....
Désolé d'écrire en Français, mais mon anglais n'est pas suffisant pour
bien exprimer ma pensée.
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement. Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.
Val ;-)

[Carlos Barrientos]

Post by l***@gmail.com
C'est amusant que M. Ophée se fasse jeter de tous les forums où il
s'inscrit... La faute aux forums bien sur...

C'est vrai. Et comique aussi, n'est-ce-pas? MO a certainement ses avis
et j'ai souvent trouvé eux pour être irritant mais bien recherché et
pensé dehors. Au cours des années, MO et moi ont parfois été sur le
point des coups, mais cela a formé beaucoup de respect pour lui parce
que parce que j'ai été concerné pour tout ce que je peut sur la guitare
et gagner pas simplement un argument. L'expérience n'a pas été la même
pour d'autres…

Post by l***@gmail.com
Quand à la politesse de M. DRA, elle montre bien le personnage.
Si ces forums sont si infantiles, pourquoi tirer à boulets rouges
dessus ? Là encore je reprend à mon compte la citation d'égo infantile
pour ceux qui se livrent à de telles bassesses....
Désolé d'écrire en Français, mais mon anglais n'est pas suffisant pour
bien exprimer ma pensée.
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement. Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.
Val ;-)

Désolé d'écrire en Français, aussi parce que je ne le parle pas, comme
jai voulu... ;)

Dans c'est endroit, ici a RMCG, on peut etre insulte gratuitement tout
le temps mais il y a des gens noble, très intelligent et souvent
illuminant dans ce qu'on peut apprendre. Ma plainte récente est celle
ces derniers temps, la politique et la religion semblent être l'intérêt
principal. Tellement de sorte que j'aie signalé un article sur Scarlatti
et l'aie signalé outre de la matière ! AG a corrigé mon en-tête et a
probablement compris mon cynisme. Dieu le bénisse!

Bienvenue!

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by Carlos Barrientos

Post by l***@gmail.com
C'est amusant que M. Ophée se fasse jeter de tous les forums où il
s'inscrit... La faute aux forums bien sur...

C'est vrai. Et comique aussi, n'est-ce-pas?

Ce n'est pas vrai. Il y a plusieres forums ou je suis inscrite et ou
les gens me felicite pour la richesse que je suis capable a ajouter a
leur vie musicale.

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[Carlos Barrientos]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by Carlos Barrientos

Post by l***@gmail.com
C'est amusant que M. Ophée se fasse jeter de tous les forums où il
s'inscrit... La faute aux forums bien sur...

C'est vrai. Et comique aussi, n'est-ce-pas?

Ce n'est pas vrai. Il y a plusieres forums ou je suis inscrite et ou
les gens me felicite pour la richesse que je suis capable a ajouter a
leur vie musicale.
Matanya Ophee

Pardon, je m'excuse... QUELQUES forums ou tu est inscrite etc.

Qu'est-ce que ti fais ici?

Il faut que tu travaille sur ma piece!

Hahahaha

;)

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by Carlos Barrientos
Qu'est-ce que ti fais ici?

Just shoveling shit against the tide...

Post by Carlos Barrientos
Il faut que tu travaille sur ma piece!

Damn right. I am just getting over the stuff that accumulated here
while I was away, and will start on your Periwinkles tomorrow. I
promise.

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[jpw]

Post by l***@gmail.com
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.

c'est totalement faux et tu le sais bien,
c'est une phrase coupée et isolée du contexte
c'est justement pour retenir misisol
j'avais d'ailleurs posté précedement un message d'appaisement
qui a été censuré par jean françois delcamp

mais jhe suis sur que tu sais tout celà
et plus encore

pour en revenir à ma question : quels griefs jf delcamp pouvait avoir contre
moi
tu n'as donc pas de réponse à me donner
sauf un mensonge ??

si tu as la moindre parcelle d'honneteté
tu iras vérifier le message, et tu reviendras me présenter tes excuses

mais as tu seulement une once d'honneteté ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement.

désolé je n'ai pas insulté jean françois delcamp
jean françois delcamp est une insulte au monde de la guitare
ça oui !

donnadey a été viré comme un malpropre
françois holay a été poussé par jean françois delcamp
ne me dit pas que tu ignorais que jean françois delcamp avait prémodéré
françois holay sans raison

peut être jean françois delcamp est malade ?
ça peut être aussi une explication
qu'en penses tu ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

beurk !

jpw

[Alain Reiher]

Post by jpw

Post by l***@gmail.com
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.

c'est totalement faux et tu le sais bien,
c'est une phrase coupée et isolée du contexte
c'est justement pour retenir misisol
j'avais d'ailleurs posté précedement un message d'appaisement
qui a été censuré par jean françois delcamp
mais jhe suis sur que tu sais tout celà
et plus encore
pour en revenir à ma question : quels griefs jf delcamp pouvait avoir
contre moi
tu n'as donc pas de réponse à me donner
sauf un mensonge ??
si tu as la moindre parcelle d'honneteté
tu iras vérifier le message, et tu reviendras me présenter tes excuses
mais as tu seulement une once d'honneteté ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement.

désolé je n'ai pas insulté jean françois delcamp
jean françois delcamp est une insulte au monde de la guitare
ça oui !
donnadey a été viré comme un malpropre
françois holay a été poussé par jean françois delcamp
ne me dit pas que tu ignorais que jean françois delcamp avait prémodéré
françois holay sans raison
peut être jean françois delcamp est malade ?
ça peut être aussi une explication
qu'en penses tu ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

beurk !
jpw

L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de guitare
classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour vous, ici
tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur place. Telles
sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations ! Rmcg a souvent fait
par le passé l'objet de remarques désobligeantes et a souvent, et le sera
probablement encore, cité en exemple à ne pas suivre par des forums de
guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières s'enorgueillissent d'être les
plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique. Mais voici que tôt ou tard les
modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces groupes font main basse et expulsent
à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible
faute d'exprimer ses propres opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue
donc, aux mal-aimés qui viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression
caractéristique de notre groupe en constante évolution, leurs petits
problèmes d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes
(lesquels tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils
prendront le temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance
et la largesse d'esprit des membres d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être
ouvert ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon
entendeur Salut!



Alain

[Carlos Barrientos]

Post by Alain Reiher

Post by jpw

Post by l***@gmail.com
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.

c'est totalement faux et tu le sais bien,
c'est une phrase coupée et isolée du contexte
c'est justement pour retenir misisol
j'avais d'ailleurs posté précedement un message d'appaisement
qui a été censuré par jean françois delcamp
mais jhe suis sur que tu sais tout celà
et plus encore
pour en revenir à ma question : quels griefs jf delcamp pouvait avoir
contre moi
tu n'as donc pas de réponse à me donner
sauf un mensonge ??
si tu as la moindre parcelle d'honneteté
tu iras vérifier le message, et tu reviendras me présenter tes excuses
mais as tu seulement une once d'honneteté ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement.

désolé je n'ai pas insulté jean françois delcamp
jean françois delcamp est une insulte au monde de la guitare
ça oui !
donnadey a été viré comme un malpropre
françois holay a été poussé par jean françois delcamp
ne me dit pas que tu ignorais que jean françois delcamp avait prémodéré
françois holay sans raison
peut être jean françois delcamp est malade ?
ça peut être aussi une explication
qu'en penses tu ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

beurk !
jpw

L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de guitare
classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour vous, ici
tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur place. Telles
sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations ! Rmcg a souvent fait
par le passé l'objet de remarques désobligeantes et a souvent, et le sera
probablement encore, cité en exemple à ne pas suivre par des forums de
guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières s'enorgueillissent d'être les
plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique. Mais voici que tôt ou tard les
modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces groupes font main basse et expulsent
à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible
faute d'exprimer ses propres opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue
donc, aux mal-aimés qui viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression
caractéristique de notre groupe en constante évolution, leurs petits
problèmes d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes
(lesquels tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils
prendront le temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance
et la largesse d'esprit des membres d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être
ouvert ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon
entendeur Salut!
Alain

Et alors, quelquefois il y a des gens qui faisent le menage de parler en
francais. Je m'excuse. Bonjour, Alain.

[Alain Reiher]

Post by Carlos Barrientos

Post by Alain Reiher

Post by jpw

Post by l***@gmail.com
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.

c'est totalement faux et tu le sais bien,
c'est une phrase coupée et isolée du contexte
c'est justement pour retenir misisol
j'avais d'ailleurs posté précedement un message d'appaisement
qui a été censuré par jean françois delcamp
mais jhe suis sur que tu sais tout celà
et plus encore
pour en revenir à ma question : quels griefs jf delcamp pouvait avoir
contre moi
tu n'as donc pas de réponse à me donner
sauf un mensonge ??
si tu as la moindre parcelle d'honneteté
tu iras vérifier le message, et tu reviendras me présenter tes excuses
mais as tu seulement une once d'honneteté ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement.

désolé je n'ai pas insulté jean françois delcamp
jean françois delcamp est une insulte au monde de la guitare
ça oui !
donnadey a été viré comme un malpropre
françois holay a été poussé par jean françois delcamp
ne me dit pas que tu ignorais que jean françois delcamp avait prémodéré
françois holay sans raison
peut être jean françois delcamp est malade ?
ça peut être aussi une explication
qu'en penses tu ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

beurk !
jpw

L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de
guitare classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour
vous, ici tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur
place. Telles sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations ! Rmcg
a souvent fait par le passé l'objet de remarques désobligeantes et a
souvent, et le sera probablement encore, cité en exemple à ne pas suivre
par des forums de guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières
s'enorgueillissent d'être les plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique.
Mais voici que tôt ou tard les modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces
groupes font main basse et expulsent à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux
contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible faute d'exprimer ses propres
opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue donc, aux mal-aimés qui
viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression caractéristique de
notre groupe en constante évolution, leurs petits problèmes
d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes (lesquels
tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils prendront le
temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance et la
largesse d'esprit des membres d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être ouvert
ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon entendeur
Salut!
Alain

Et alors, quelquefois il y a des gens qui faisent le menage de parler en
francais. Je m'excuse. Bonjour, Alain.
--
Carlos Barrientos
Phone: (512) 218 - 8322

He he, Carlos this gives me an opportunity to continue my ... welcome note
... I forget to tell our new comers that in order to survive here ... well
... they better learn to speak and write English! I cannot believe I am
saying that! (Having been raised in Québec! from 10 years old onward)
As we all know, if you haven't start learning a second language by the age
of [7,8?] chances are that you will be confused for the rest of your life in
your attempts at communicating in that second language! Eh wait a minute! I
started at 12! (I'm lost!)
The other thing I wanted these guys to be aware of is that this is not a
dating news group. The constant bickering about finger motion, hand
position, the what kind of string are you wearing on your guitar the wououou
wour growling about Ana's dress code and the attribution of a flattering
title like your "gloriousness" and sadly much more topics, is not going to
help increasing the percentage of contributors from the opposite sex. To the
contrary, this attitude has already decreased our feminine representatives
to the point of practical nil. that we are now plagued with a women minority
situation (a truly rare thing in our modern world!). We surely know how to
bring a discussion to a tavernesque hight!

Alain

[Alain Reiher]

Post by Alain Reiher
L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de
guitare classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour
vous, ici tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur
place. Telles sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations !
Rmcg a souvent fait par le passé l'objet de remarques désobligeantes et
a souvent, et le sera probablement encore, cité en exemple à ne pas
suivre par des forums de guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières
s'enorgueillissent d'être les plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique.
Mais voici que tôt ou tard les modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces
groupes font main basse et expulsent à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux
contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible faute d'exprimer ses propres
opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue donc, aux mal-aimés qui
viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression caractéristique de
notre groupe en constante évolution, leurs petits problèmes
d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes (lesquels
tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils prendront le
temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance et la
largesse d'esprit des membres d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être
ouvert ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon
entendeur Salut!
Alain

Andrew,

I simply cannot translate that into plain english ... English of mine is not
good enough.

Alain

[rcw]

Post by Alain Reiher

Post by Carlos Barrientos

Post by Alain Reiher

Post by jpw

Post by l***@gmail.com
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.

c'est totalement faux et tu le sais bien,
c'est une phrase coupée et isolée du contexte
c'est justement pour retenir misisol
j'avais d'ailleurs posté précedement un message d'appaisement
qui a été censuré par jean françois delcamp
mais jhe suis sur que tu sais tout celà
et plus encore
pour en revenir à ma question : quels griefs jf delcamp pouvait avoir
contre moi
tu n'as donc pas de réponse à me donner
sauf un mensonge  ??
si tu as la moindre parcelle d'honneteté
tu iras vérifier le message, et tu reviendras me présenter tes excuses
mais as tu seulement une once d'honneteté ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement.

désolé je n'ai pas insulté jean françois delcamp
jean françois delcamp est une insulte au monde de la guitare
ça oui !
donnadey a été viré comme un malpropre
françois holay a été poussé par jean françois delcamp
ne me dit pas que tu ignorais que jean françois delcamp avait prémodéré
françois holay sans raison
peut être jean françois delcamp est malade ?
ça peut être aussi une explication
qu'en penses tu ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

beurk !
jpw

L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de
guitare classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour
vous, ici tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur
place. Telles sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations ! Rmcg
a souvent fait par le passé l'objet  de remarques désobligeantes et a
souvent, et le sera probablement encore,  cité en exemple à ne pas suivre
par des forums de guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières
s'enorgueillissent d'être les plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique.
Mais voici que tôt ou tard les modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces
groupes font main basse et expulsent à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux
contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible faute d'exprimer ses propres
opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue donc, aux mal-aimés qui
viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression caractéristique de
notre groupe en constante évolution,  leurs petits problèmes
d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes (lesquels
tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils prendront le
temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance et la
largesse d'esprit des membres  d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être ouvert
ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon entendeur
Salut!
Alain

Et alors, quelquefois il y a des gens qui faisent le menage de parler en
francais. Je m'excuse. Bonjour, Alain.
--
Carlos Barrientos
Phone: (512) 218 - 8322

He he, Carlos this gives me an opportunity to continue my ... welcome note
...  I forget to tell our new comers that in order to survive here ... well
... they better learn to speak and write English! I cannot believe I am
saying that! (Having been raised in Québec! from 10 years old  onward)
As we all know, if you haven't start learning a second language by the age
of [7,8?] chances are that you will be confused for the rest of your life in
your attempts at communicating in that second language! Eh wait a minute! I
started at 12! (I'm lost!)
The other thing I wanted these guys to be aware of is that this is not a
dating news group. The constant bickering about finger motion, hand
position, the what kind of string are you wearing on your guitar the wououou
wour growling about Ana's dress code and the attribution of a flattering
title like your "gloriousness" and sadly much more topics, is not going to
help increasing the percentage of contributors from the opposite sex. To the
contrary, this attitude has already decreased our feminine representatives
to the point of practical nil. that we are now plagued with a women minority
situation (a truly rare thing in our modern world!). We surely know how to
bring a discussion to a tavernesque hight!
Alain- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I keep re-reading this post. First of all, are you sure this wasn't
one of those "posting under the influence" posts?? : )

As far as women posting here...

I think we know that women are still under represented when it comes
to CG and maybe even more so at the professional level. That has been
discussed here before.

I think more women post at delcamp. There are a few who are
professionals, many who are amateurs at all levels, some very
knowledgeable. I'm sort of in between the two worlds yet. I still
have one year of music school but have been teaching beginners for
alittle over a year. I find I learn alot from both forums.

If I could venture a guess as to why more women don't post here, I
think it might have more to do with the flame wars that involve
personal attack rather than the guy talk about women as your post
suggests. Most women aren't socialized to communicate in this way. I
didn't grow up with brothers but I have raised three sons--I have come
to understand their rough and tumble, insult each other way of
interacting--but all the same, I don't jump in and join them in it.
I'm not suggesting that anybody changes anything--I'm just trying to
shed some light on a recurring issue.

I try to keep up with things on both forums and post when I feel like
I have something to say. Comparing these two forums is sort of like
comparing apples and oranges.

Robin

[Miguel de Maria]

Over here, there are two types of discussions that involve women.
One, "Sharon Isbin is a b___h!" Two, "OMG, Ana Vidovic is hot!"

I think more women post at delcamp.  

[Murdick]

Post by Miguel de Maria
Over here, there are two types of discussions that involve women.
One, "Sharon Isbin is a b___h!" Two, "OMG, Ana Vidovic is hot!"

I think more women post at delcamp.  

With me it's Sharon Isbin doesn't know much, but is hot, and Anna is a really fine player; the kind of player Isbin would have been if she knew anything. Oh, and Anna is hot too.

[z***@gmail.com]

Post by Murdick

Post by Miguel de Maria
Over here, there are two types of discussions that involve women.
One, "Sharon Isbin is a b___h!" Two, "OMG, Ana Vidovic is hot!"

I think more women post at delcamp.  

With me it's Sharon Isbin doesn't know much, but is hot, and Anna is a really fine player; the kind of player Isbin would have been if she knew anything. Oh, and Anna is hot too.

1 woman would be more
Sharon likes other girls.
Anna is hot, Sharon is not

[Richard F. Sayage]

Post by Alain Reiher

Post by Carlos Barrientos
--
Carlos Barrientos
Phone: (512) 218 - 8322

He he, Carlos this gives me an opportunity to continue my ... welcome note
... I forget to tell our new comers that in order to survive here ... well
... they better learn to speak and write English! I cannot believe I am
saying that! (Having been raised in Québec! from 10 years old onward)
As we all know, if you haven't start learning a second language by the age
of [7,8?] chances are that you will be confused for the rest of your life in
your attempts at communicating in that second language! Eh wait a minute! I
started at 12! (I'm lost!)
The other thing I wanted these guys to be aware of is that this is not a
dating news group. The constant bickering about finger motion, hand
position, the what kind of string are you wearing on your guitar the wououou
wour growling about Ana's dress code and the attribution of a flattering
title like your "gloriousness" and sadly much more topics, is not going to
help increasing the percentage of contributors from the opposite sex. To the
contrary, this attitude has already decreased our feminine representatives
to the point of practical nil. that we are now plagued with a women minority
situation (a truly rare thing in our modern world!). We surely know how to
bring a discussion to a tavernesque hight!
Alain- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I keep re-reading this post. First of all, are you sure this wasn't
one of those "posting under the influence" posts?? : )

As far as women posting here...

I think we know that women are still under represented when it comes
to CG and maybe even more so at the professional level. That has been
discussed here before.

I think more women post at delcamp. There are a few who are
professionals, many who are amateurs at all levels, some very
knowledgeable. I'm sort of in between the two worlds yet. I still
have one year of music school but have been teaching beginners for
alittle over a year. I find I learn alot from both forums.

If I could venture a guess as to why more women don't post here, I
think it might have more to do with the flame wars that involve
personal attack rather than the guy talk about women as your post
suggests. Most women aren't socialized to communicate in this way. I
didn't grow up with brothers but I have raised three sons--I have come
to understand their rough and tumble, insult each other way of
interacting--but all the same, I don't jump in and join them in it.
I'm not suggesting that anybody changes anything--I'm just trying to
shed some light on a recurring issue.

I try to keep up with things on both forums and post when I feel like
I have something to say. Comparing these two forums is sort of like
comparing apples and oranges.

Robin

---

Nice post, Robing. hehe....That's what it should be
re-named....rec.music.classical.guitar.flame.war or rmcgfw

funny, when I look at that...I see fugaweDIas in the Fugawe tribe. as
in...where the f&*k are we?

Rich

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by Alain Reiher
L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de guitare
classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour vous, ici
tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur place. Telles
sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations ! Rmcg a souvent fait
par le passé l'objet  de remarques désobligeantes et a souvent, et le sera
probablement encore,  cité en exemple à ne pas suivre par des forums de
guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières s'enorgueillissent d'être les
plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique. Mais voici que tôt ou tard les
modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces groupes font main basse et expulsent
à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible
faute d'exprimer ses propres opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue
donc, aux mal-aimés qui viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression
caractéristique de notre groupe en constante évolution,  leurs petits
problèmes d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes
(lesquels tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils
prendront le temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance
et la largesse d'esprit des membres  d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être
ouvert ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon
entendeur Salut!

Alain,

You can say that again!

Andres

[t***@googlemail.com]

Post by Alain Reiher

Post by jpw

Post by l***@gmail.com
Pour 123 : j'ai vu un message où tu disais vouloir quitter le forum
(en réponse à Mangore ou Bidouille ????) La règle de JFD est d'accéder
sans discuter aux demandes de résiliation. Ce qu'il a fait.

c'est totalement faux et tu le sais bien,
c'est une phrase coupée et isolée du contexte
c'est justement pour retenir misisol
j'avais d'ailleurs posté précedement un message d'appaisement
qui a été censuré par jean françois delcamp
mais jhe suis sur que tu sais tout celà
et plus encore
pour en revenir à ma question : quels griefs jf delcamp pouvait avoir
contre moi
tu n'as donc pas de réponse à me donner
sauf un mensonge ??
si tu as la moindre parcelle d'honneteté
tu iras vérifier le message, et tu reviendras me présenter tes excuses
mais as tu seulement une once d'honneteté ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement.

désolé je n'ai pas insulté jean françois delcamp
jean françois delcamp est une insulte au monde de la guitare
ça oui !
donnadey a été viré comme un malpropre
françois holay a été poussé par jean françois delcamp
ne me dit pas que tu ignorais que jean françois delcamp avait prémodéré
françois holay sans raison
peut être jean françois delcamp est malade ?
ça peut être aussi une explication
qu'en penses tu ??

Post by l***@gmail.com
Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

beurk !
jpw

L'arrivée inopinée d'une discussion portant sur un autre groupe de guitare
classique n'a certainement pas sa place ici! Heureusement pour vous, ici
tout (absolument tout) et tous trouvent eventuellement leur place. Telles
sont les inevitables largesses de la non modérations ! Rmcg a souvent fait
par le passé l'objet de remarques désobligeantes et a souvent, et le sera
probablement encore, cité en exemple à ne pas suivre par des forums de
guitare « modérés» dont les membres fières s'enorgueillissent d'être les
plus exemplaires du monde cybernétique. Mais voici que tôt ou tard les
modérateurs (élus ou fondateurs) de ces groupes font main basse et expulsent
à qui mieux-mieux leurs valeureux contributeurs. (Ha, cette inadmissible
faute d'exprimer ses propres opinions et de dire ce qu'on pense.) Bienvenue
donc, aux mal-aimés qui viennent ici régler, grâce à la liberté d'expression
caractéristique de notre groupe en constante évolution, leurs petits
problèmes d'expulsions. J'espère, qu'à travers ces règlements de comptes
(lesquels tendent à limiter sérieusement le champ de vision), qu'ils
prendront le temps de découvrir et d'apprécier la sagesse, la connaissance
et la largesse d'esprit des membres d'ici. Tenez vous le pour dit, être
ouvert ne signifie pas qu'on se laisse marcher sur les pieds. A bon
entendeur Salut!
Alain

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by l***@gmail.com
C'est amusant que M. Ophée se fasse jeter de tous les forums où il
s'inscrit... La faute aux forums bien sur...

Pas de tout amusant et surtout bien triste pour les forums qui manque
maintenant le benefice de ma saggesse et de ma connaissance de la
guitare et son histoire. Et quant a moi, je suis tres heaureux de
n'est pas perdre mon temps precieux avec des imbeciles.

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement. Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

En autres mots, la porte est la---------------> fous le con...

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[Carlos Barrientos]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by l***@gmail.com
C'est amusant que M. Ophée se fasse jeter de tous les forums où il
s'inscrit... La faute aux forums bien sur...

Pas de tout amusant et surtout bien triste pour les forums qui manque
maintenant le benefice de ma saggesse et de ma connaissance de la
guitare et son histoire. Et quant a moi, je suis tres heaureux de
n'est pas perdre mon temps precieux avec des imbeciles.

Post by l***@gmail.com
Rien de plus à dire ici, je préfère les forums modérés à ceux où l'on
insulte gratuitement. Et le niveau de discussion sur la guitare n'est
pas très élevé ici.

En autres mots, la porte est la---------------> fous le con...
Matanya Ophee

hahahaha
--
"Most people dislike vanity in others, whatever share they have of it
themselves; but I give it fair quarter wherever I meet with it, being
persuaded that it is often productive of good to the possessor, and to
others that are within his sphere of action; and therefore, in many
cases, it would not be altogether absurd if a man were to thank God for
his vanity among the other comforts of life." Benjamin Franklin.
(1706-1790). His Autobiography.

Carlos Barrientos
"mailto:***@sprintmail.com"
Phone: (512) 218 - 8322

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by Tashi
Matanya I'm shocked someone with your expertize has been kicked off
any forum, expecially a guitar forum. I think we were 1 for 1, but now
you've slipped ahead of me. I'll do my best to fix this in the near
future.

Then you have to sign up with that other idiot James Whalley or
however he spells his name, and get thrown out of the Yahoo group.

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[Richard Jernigan]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other

That is as phony as a 3 franc bill. I have been banned from that forum
for trying to share my knowledge of guitar matters. Frederic Zigante,
probably one of the most important editors of guitar music active
today, was banned for telling the members of his new edition of the
Villa-Lobos guitar works. That was considered as advertisement and
against the rules, regardless of the fact that thousands of guitarists
all over the world were waiting breathlessly for that edition to come
out.
Yes, they have rules, but the rules are dumb and have nothing to do
with French law. They have to do with only one thing: one man's
twisted notion of himself as an arbiter of guitar issues. The end
result of his stupid arrogant policies is that membership is reduced
to the lowest common denominator, and the discussion level is
pitifully pedestrian  infantilism.
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]http://www.editionsorphee.comhttp://matanya.livejournal.com

I signed up and hung around Delcamp for a while, but I got bored and
haven't been back in months.

The best forum I participate in is Nikonians.org. Over 120,000
enthusiastic owners of Nikon camera gear. Participants range from the
greenest newbie to nationally known pros and authors. It is rigorously
moderated, but not boring. That's due to a variety of interesting, but
polite participants, and the large volume of useful information
exchanged.

Photography is an interesting discipline. It requires a sizable
component of scientific/engineering/craftsmanship technique, as well
as an artistic sensibility. Nikonians is largely dedicated to the non-
artistic part in discussions, though you see some really nice photos.
You see some fairly ordinary ones too.

I suspect there are a lot more enthusiastic Nikon owners, more or less
competent in their technique, than there are dedicated CG players in
the US. Is photography easier than CG? It probably takes less practice
time to get decent photos from today's extremely complex high end
cameras than it does to be able to play a Sor study acceptably. But as
they say, at the highest level, it's all equally hard.

Our local plumber is a better photographer than I, though he may know
less about the technical side. He has the eye and soul of an artist.

RNJ

[Steven Bornfeld]

Post by Richard Jernigan

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other

That is as phony as a 3 franc bill. I have been banned from that forum
for trying to share my knowledge of guitar matters. Frederic Zigante,
probably one of the most important editors of guitar music active
today, was banned for telling the members of his new edition of the
Villa-Lobos guitar works. That was considered as advertisement and
against the rules, regardless of the fact that thousands of guitarists
all over the world were waiting breathlessly for that edition to come
out.
Yes, they have rules, but the rules are dumb and have nothing to do
with French law. They have to do with only one thing: one man's
twisted notion of himself as an arbiter of guitar issues. The end
result of his stupid arrogant policies is that membership is reduced
to the lowest common denominator, and the discussion level is
pitifully pedestrian infantilism.
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]http://www.editionsorphee.comhttp://matanya.livejournal.com

I signed up and hung around Delcamp for a while, but I got bored and
haven't been back in months.
The best forum I participate in is Nikonians.org. Over 120,000
enthusiastic owners of Nikon camera gear. Participants range from the
greenest newbie to nationally known pros and authors. It is rigorously
moderated, but not boring. That's due to a variety of interesting, but
polite participants, and the large volume of useful information
exchanged.
Photography is an interesting discipline. It requires a sizable
component of scientific/engineering/craftsmanship technique, as well
as an artistic sensibility. Nikonians is largely dedicated to the non-
artistic part in discussions, though you see some really nice photos.
You see some fairly ordinary ones too.
I suspect there are a lot more enthusiastic Nikon owners, more or less
competent in their technique, than there are dedicated CG players in
the US. Is photography easier than CG? It probably takes less practice
time to get decent photos from today's extremely complex high end
cameras than it does to be able to play a Sor study acceptably. But as
they say, at the highest level, it's all equally hard.
Our local plumber is a better photographer than I, though he may know
less about the technical side. He has the eye and soul of an artist.
RNJ

No fighting about lenses? Leicas?

Steve

[l***@deack.net]

No fighting about lenses?  Leicas?

I still have the M3 I learned on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_M3

Great camera for learning the chemical side when you work at a photo
lab like I did. Then I went digital and worked for a printer software
company. I remember lots of the chemical old school poo pooing the
digital folks. Don't they still do that? I think the analog sound
folks are still in denial about what digital sound did to their world.

[Tashi]

Post by l***@deack.net

No fighting about lenses?  Leicas?

I still have the M3 I learned on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_M3
  Great camera for learning the chemical side when you work at a photo
lab like I did. Then I went digital and worked for a printer software
company. I remember lots of the chemical old school poo pooing the
digital folks. Don't they still do that? I think the analog sound
folks are still in denial about what digital sound did to their world.

I think your in denial.
MT

[l***@deack.net]

Post by Tashi
I think your in denial.
MT

UR2, Moon Dude, UR2.

[Fugue]

My main problem with Delcamp is the extreme censorship--supposedly to
protect copyright. For instance, I just sent someone a PRIVATE MESSAGE that
had a link boycotted because it "doesn't respect copyright"--so much for
being private!

[Richard Jernigan]

Post by l***@deack.net

No fighting about lenses?  Leicas?

I still have the M3 I learned on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_M3
  Great camera for learning the chemical side when you work at a photo
lab like I did. Then I went digital and worked for a printer software
company. I remember lots of the chemical old school poo pooing the
digital folks. Don't they still do that? I think the analog sound
folks are still in denial about what digital sound did to their world.

Both digital sound and digital photography started off poorly. The
presence of clock jitter in the early CD players led to clearly
audible and nasty sounding distortion. Once they cleaned up the clocks
and got over the idea of "brick wall" reconstruction filters, digital
sound became quite good. It's much easier to obtain good digital sound
these days than it is analog, though both methods can produce
excellent results.

Digital photography had its teething problems as well. Only a few
years ago Nikon was getting $3K for a 4-megapixel camera that had poor
dynamic range and wasn't very fast. Lenses designed for film didn't
handle the flare from the reflective anti-aliasing filter in front of
the sensor. Ofter you could detect a digital photo from the reduced
contrast due to the flare. Just the ticket though, for a
photojournalist on a tight deadline. All you needed was a laptop and a
modem and you could send photos from anywhere in the world.

Nowadays, $5K gets you a full-frame Nikon D3 with 12 megapixels, very
low noise and "film speeds" up to ISO 25,600!! Photos at speeds up to
ISO 1600 are, to my eye, better than 35mm film. Or $8K gets a Canon
1Ds Mark III with 21 megapixels, and the image quality of medium
format in a slightly oversize 35mm body. Digital post-processing runs
rings around the potential of the wet darkroom in the race to get
nearer to what you visualized when you snapped the shutter.

Tipping their toe into the high-end digital world, Leica have stumbled
pretty badly. But the rangefinder design type is so good for its field
that they shouldn't be counted out. I've seen a few great National
Geographic articles shot with just one Leica and one lens.

RNJ

[W***@msn.com]

Post by l***@gmail.com
I do personnaly know Jean-François, he is the finest man you could
meet. The idea of his forum is that people share their knowledge, and
help each other (is it a nazi idea ? you should take care of the words
you are using !!!!)
The forum, due to french laws, have rules. Subscribing to the forum
you accept the rules. What I see is that some people don't accept
rules. and then complain.
In a country (even in US) if you don't respect laws you go to jail
(even in  US you could be legally killed....is it France a medieval
country and Us a modern one on this point?) Hopefully it is not the
case on a forum...  There are allways complaining people, and they
shout louder than happy people. Ask all the user of Delcamp you will
find they think it is the best place to be for a guitarist.
Val (moderateur of the English Delcamp forum and proud to be ! and my
ego, dear DRA is not as big and as fragile as yours, lol)

I'm sorry but i got to answer to this one Val.

In many countries using someone's else identity is a federal offense.
Sadly enoug this is not something that is watched in the virtual
worlds of forums. I know it remains to prove that Mr.Delcamp is
sometimes using is members identity to post cancel my accounts threads
in their places but i'm one to say it out loud that he's done to me.
Some hints are there to see and there's no ''fumée sans feu'' if you
get what i mean. Delcamp forums are the only ones i know of with a
sub-forum dedicated to members who want to cancel their accounts and
even more unfamiliar around internet forums members do it publicly.
Now if that ain't enough i wouldn't be surprise to see timecode of (so
call) post for cancelling an account and see Mr.Delcamp himself
answering within a minute almost all the time.

I know it aint a pretty subject to discuss and it's pretty sad but
personnaly it's the first time i've been ban from a forum and as i had
about 1500 post and around 60 joint files and also havent posted
anything that was worthy of getting this treatment...why would i want
to leave? You said it yourself :''..best forums..'' I just think
that you are being caugth of guard not knowing how your admin behaves
sometimes or is it often? Now, he's done it and if i were you i would
stand for your members but i wouldn't take part upon J-F not knowing
about is behavior.!

Sincerely yours!
Eric

[dsi1]

Post by Miguel de Maria

Post by dsi1

Post by Wollybird
would you rather live in a jungle or a prision?

Glad I don't have to make the choice - he said as he skirted the question...
One of our medieval loving, absolutist-in-residence here should check
out that forum to see how things git done old-school. Hee-hee.
david

Good point. Delcamp is not an idiot, just a socialist.
This is the Wild West; that's France.

He might be a socialist, I don't know the dude. However, it's true that
us people that claim to believe in private property and should uphold
the ideals of the concept sometimes have a hard time with others doing
as they see fit with their own stuff. I believe this is HIS little
creation? Humans iz funny.

david

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by dsi1
He might be a socialist, I don't know the dude. However, it's true that
us people that claim to believe in private property and should uphold
the ideals of the concept sometimes have a hard time with others doing
as they see fit with their own stuff. I believe this is HIS little
creation?

Indeed it is, and he is welcome to it. At the same time, there is no
avoiding the impression is of a guy who thinks he owns culture just
because he has the keys to the library. He makes his choices, I make
mine.

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[dsi1]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by dsi1
He might be a socialist, I don't know the dude. However, it's true that
us people that claim to believe in private property and should uphold
the ideals of the concept sometimes have a hard time with others doing
as they see fit with their own stuff. I believe this is HIS little
creation?

Indeed it is, and he is welcome to it. At the same time, there is no
avoiding the impression is of a guy who thinks he owns culture just
because he has the keys to the library. He makes his choices, I make
mine.

The dude sounds a little kooky and maybe wants to have things done his
way to a fault. I support his right to this. Besides, he's French,
waddaya expect?

On the bright side, we're lucky to have this brief moment in time where
we are allowed to make our choices in who we listen to and how we spend
our time. Most other times, we'd be dead meat...

david

Post by Matanya Ophee
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com

[John Rethorst]

Besides, he's French, waddaya expect?

I've always liked France and the French a great deal. But national personalities
have quirks just as individual ones do, and the French have a strain of
pettiness to the point of nuisance. It's much nicer than my (American) country's
penchant for violence though.

Delcamp seems heavy-handed on copyright questions. I would not like my music to
be stolen either, of course. Composers and arrangers often don't make much money
to begin with, even when they're paid for every copy of their scores.

In Delcamp's defense, he arranges or typesets (well, in Finale) an enormous
amount of public domain sheet music, available free to members of his forums who
have posted some number of messages. His PDF editions include the complete lute
music of JS Bach, complete works of Tarrega, and a thousand or so other pieces
for guitar or arranged for guitar. He was also the first to publicize and
provide streamlined access to the vast free public domain PDF collections of
guitar music of the Danish and Swedish national libraries.

That most of the posts on his forums are of the low-level "what strings are
best/should I buy cedar or spruce/who's your favorite classical guitarist"
variety is a function of the membership, not the moderator. The other web forums
-- Acoustic Guitar, Netherlands, GSI, the old e-Borneo -- are similar in
substance and seem a generation younger, in outlook and experience, than the
discussion here. I'm guessing that's because usenet is an older protocol than
web forums. C'est la vie.

[dsi1]

Post by John Rethorst

Besides, he's French, waddaya expect?

I've always liked France and the French a great deal. But national personalities
have quirks just as individual ones do, and the French have a strain of
pettiness to the point of nuisance. It's much nicer than my (American) country's
penchant for violence though.

Back in the seventies, I used to love the French films as did most guys
into foreign films. Later would come the Swedish, and the German films
but it was the French that were first. Now days when I think foreign, it
tends to be Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. :-)

Post by John Rethorst
Delcamp seems heavy-handed on copyright questions. I would not like my music to
be stolen either, of course. Composers and arrangers often don't make much money
to begin with, even when they're paid for every copy of their scores.
In Delcamp's defense, he arranges or typesets (well, in Finale) an enormous
amount of public domain sheet music, available free to members of his forums who
have posted some number of messages. His PDF editions include the complete lute
music of JS Bach, complete works of Tarrega, and a thousand or so other pieces
for guitar or arranged for guitar. He was also the first to publicize and
provide streamlined access to the vast free public domain PDF collections of
guitar music of the Danish and Swedish national libraries.
That most of the posts on his forums are of the low-level "what strings are
best/should I buy cedar or spruce/who's your favorite classical guitarist"
variety is a function of the membership, not the moderator. The other web forums
-- Acoustic Guitar, Netherlands, GSI, the old e-Borneo -- are similar in
substance and seem a generation younger, in outlook and experience, than the
discussion here. I'm guessing that's because usenet is an older protocol than
web forums. C'est la vie.

Thanks for the overview on the site. It was interesting as I know little
about Delcamp even though I did register sometime ago to try to contact
a composer of a piece. As it goes, my log-on name and password is long
forgotten.

Who knows what rmcg will be in the coming years, it could go either way.
The old dudes will be gone, but it will be in good hands if tended by
chaps such as yourself. Me, I plan on not living that long or be totally
out of my mind and besides myself in a few years. :-)

david

[e***@yahoo.com]

Post by John Rethorst
In Delcamp's defense, he arranges or typesets (well, in Finale) an enormous
amount of public domain sheet music, available free to members of his forums who
have posted some number of messages. His PDF editions include the complete lute
music of JS Bach, complete works of Tarrega, and a thousand or so other pieces
for guitar or arranged for guitar. He was also the first to publicize and
provide streamlined access to the vast free public domain PDF collections of
guitar music of the Danish and Swedish national libraries.

.
.
In addition to being free the CG sheet music on the Delcamp site is
graded from easy to difficult. You can also get playing advice for
interpretation, etc. This is invaluable to beginners trying to
increase their repertoire without going from Giuliani's Allegro
straight to a Bach lute suite.

Ed S.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

Post by John Rethorst

Besides, he's French, waddaya expect?

I've always liked France and the French a great deal. But national
personalities have quirks just as individual ones do, and the French
have a strain of pettiness to the point of nuisance. It's much nicer
than my (American) country's penchant for violence though.
Delcamp seems heavy-handed on copyright questions. I would not like my
music to be stolen either, of course. Composers and arrangers often
don't make much money to begin with, even when they're paid for every
copy of their scores.
In Delcamp's defense, he arranges or typesets (well, in Finale) an
enormous amount of public domain sheet music, available free to members
of his forums who have posted some number of messages.

Why doesn't he allow access to all comers? Because he's on an ego trip,
that's why. Don't say for one second that the access is free. "Free to
members who" isn't free. I have a certain contempt for those misers who
hoard public domain music. It's not supposed to belong to them. He is
overdue for a change of policy and a change of heart, IMO. Again, this
is not a personal attack, I just think his policy is shortsighted, and
that it doesn't benefit him either any more.

If it has a substantial amount of new material, that's another thing
entirely. daveA

[Ashby]

I joined last month because someone told me they have sheet music
available for download. But I haven't posted enough to have access to
the pieces I'm interested in.

The process seems a bit quirky. They have different status levels. You
have to post a certain number of times, then apply and be accepted
before you can look at the music. If they don't like your posts they
kick you out. And if you don't post at all they kick you out.

The censorship accusations are fair. Delcamp does not permit the rough
and tumble mud wrestling that some of the more distinguished rmcg
regulars engage in. And I don't think they let you cuss people out.
But the charge that Delcampers are ignorant is not accurate. They have
some pro players, teachers, and luthiers. The Delcamp moderator Val,
who responded to this thread, is a competent lutenist and has made
many Youtube vids that are very good.

The Delcamp forum definitely lacks the entertainment value of rmcg. I
pop in here and see Lutemann is challenging David's teaching
credentials while Tashi is humiliating Lutemann for his crummy guitar
and bad playing. And Dicerous is taking potshots from the sidelines --
all in the same thread. It's a barnyard version of "Our Town." As Will
always says, this is my favorite comic strip.

Ashby
http://www.rmlrichmond.com/romebusker

[Tashi]

Post by Ashby
I joined last month because someone told me they have sheet music
available for download. But I haven't posted enough to have access to
the pieces I'm interested in.
The process seems a bit quirky. They have different status levels. You
have to post a certain number of times, then apply and be accepted
before you can look at the music. If they don't like your posts they
kick you out. And if you don't post at all they kick you out.
The censorship accusations are fair. Delcamp does not permit the rough
and tumble mud wrestling that some of the more distinguished rmcg
regulars engage in. And I don't think they let you cuss people out.
But the charge that Delcampers are ignorant is not accurate. They have
some pro players, teachers, and luthiers. The Delcamp moderator Val,
who responded to this thread, is a competent lutenist and has made
many Youtube vids that are very good.
The Delcamp forum definitely lacks the entertainment value of rmcg. I
pop in here and see Lutemann is challenging David's teaching
credentials while Tashi is humiliating Lutemann for his crummy guitar
and bad playing. And Dicerous is taking potshots from the sidelines --
all in the same thread. It's a barnyard version of "Our Town." As Will
always says, this is my favorite comic strip.
Ashbyhttp://www.rmlrichmond.com/romebusker

Ashby, I'm glad you recognize the rmcg for what it is. Personally, I
do my best to provide my fair share of amusement, the really
entertaining part is watching people like Larry Deack and his speices,
take it so seriously.

MT

[SleepyHead]

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net
the best forum of classical guitar in the world
but who knows really jean françois delcamp ??
http://youtu.be/GSJb1d8QtDY
only one people ?
oh no !
I know many people like this one
and I have this question : Is jean françois delcamp an idiot ??
who can give me an anwser ??

Don't know if he's an idiot, but the moderation is tediously heavy-
handed on delcamp.net and there seems to be a worship-cult of certain
posters on the site - a cult I found difficult to subscribe to as they
seemed like competant, but hardly brilliant - players. I did post on
there a few times, but I got bored with the worship cult and don't go
back there much.

[a***@gmail.com]

All you have wrote is wrong. Also i was banned in the past for 1 month, but one thing is Moderator that can use also account of Mr. Delcamp and another thing is realy Mr. Delcamp, He stay on forum rarity, who realy answer you with his account is Moderator, just them. You must be much smart, use forum to make lessons of guitar without post answer or question . I will tell 1000 thanks to Mr.Delcamp and his forum to let me to learn free classical guitar in right way.

[z***@gmail.com]

Post by a***@gmail.com
All you have wrote is wrong. Also i was banned in the past for 1 month, but one thing is Moderator that can use also account of Mr. Delcamp and another thing is realy Mr. Delcamp, He stay on forum rarity, who realy answer you with his account is Moderator, just them. You must be much smart, use forum to make lessons of guitar without post answer or question . I will tell 1000 thanks to Mr.Delcamp and his forum to let me to learn free classical guitar in right way.

I heard that Mr Delcamp got banned

[a***@yahoo.com]

There are many disadvantages to getting older. But one advantage is that when something annoys me, I needn't respond with a temper tantrum. I've occasionally run afoul of the regulations on Delcamp. When I do, I simply apologize and move on with my life. Yes, some of the rules on Delcamp are annoying. C'est la vie.

I look at it this way. The Delcamp website is the home of Jean-François Delcamp. He built it, he maintains it. His house, his rules. When I visit his house, I abide by his rules. If I don't like his rules, I stay out of his house.

By the way, I agree that some of Delcamp's rules are ridiculous. One rule I do agree with, however, is that one isn't allowed to throw temper tantrums. There are those who zealously defend their right to be a perpetual three year old. The rest of us aren't obliged to put up with it.

Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA

[Learnwell]

There are those who zealously defend their right to be a perpetual three year old.

I've never heard such an eloquent, accurate, and succinct description of most of Usenet users. Nice job.

[wollybyrde]

Post by a***@yahoo.com
There are many disadvantages to getting older. But one advantage is that when something annoys me, I needn't respond with a temper tantrum. I've occasionally run afoul of the regulations on Delcamp. When I do, I simply apologize and move on with my life. Yes, some of the rules on Delcamp are annoying. C'est la vie.
I look at it this way. The Delcamp website is the home of Jean-François Delcamp. He built it, he maintains it. His house, his rules. When I visit his house, I abide by his rules. If I don't like his rules, I stay out of his house.
By the way, I agree that some of Delcamp's rules are ridiculous. One rule I do agree with, however, is that one isn't allowed to throw temper tantrums. There are those who zealously defend their right to be a perpetual three year old. The rest of us aren't obliged to put up with it.
Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA

especially an 8 year old temper tantrum. Personally I've never had a problem over there...mostly because I keep falling asleep after 10 minutes of reading the posts

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by wollybyrde
especially an 8 year old temper tantrum. Personally I've never had a problem over there...mostly because I keep falling asleep after 10 minutes of reading the posts

You stayed with it for 10 minutes?

Andrew

[dsi1]

Post by Andrew Schulman

Post by wollybyrde
especially an 8 year old temper tantrum. Personally I've never had a problem over there...mostly because I keep falling asleep after 10 minutes of reading the posts

You stayed with it for 10 minutes?

He was always the one with the long attention span.

Post by Andrew Schulman
Andrew

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by dsi1
He was always the one with the long attention span.

And then what happened?

[dsi1]

Post by Andrew Schulman

Post by dsi1
He was always the one with the long attention span.

And then what happened?

What happened after that? I took a nap, of course. I love taking naps. I'm taking one right now.

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by dsi1
What happened after that? I took a nap, of course. I love taking naps. I'm taking one right now.

You win.

[dsi1]

Post by Andrew Schulman

Post by dsi1
What happened after that? I took a nap, of course. I love taking naps. I'm taking one right now.

You win.

Non, monsieur, you win!

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by dsi1
Non, monsieur, you win!

I got this message with your response:

Translate message to English

[dsi1]

Post by Andrew Schulman

Post by dsi1
Non, monsieur, you win!

Translate message to English

Not to worry. My son is taking a heavy duty French language class this
summer. If all goes according to plan, and I think it will, he'll be
able to do a complete translation in 3 or 4 months. How exciting is that?!!!

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by dsi1
Non, monsieur, you win!

Okay.

Andrew

[z***@gmail.com]

Post by Andrew Schulman

Post by wollybyrde
especially an 8 year old temper tantrum. Personally I've never had a problem over there...mostly because I keep falling asleep after 10 minutes of reading the posts

You stayed with it for 10 minutes?
Andrew

several times

[Andrew Schulman]

Post by z***@gmail.com
several times

Stay thirsty my friend.

[dsi1]

Post by a***@yahoo.com
There are many disadvantages to getting older. But one advantage is that when something annoys me, I needn't respond with a temper tantrum. I've occasionally run afoul of the regulations on Delcamp. When I do, I simply apologize and move on with my life. Yes, some of the rules on Delcamp are annoying. C'est la vie.
I look at it this way. The Delcamp website is the home of Jean-François Delcamp. He built it, he maintains it. His house, his rules. When I visit his house, I abide by his rules. If I don't like his rules, I stay out of his house.
By the way, I agree that some of Delcamp's rules are ridiculous. One rule I do agree with, however, is that one isn't allowed to throw temper tantrums. There are those who zealously defend their right to be a perpetual three year old. The rest of us aren't obliged to put up with it.
Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA

Usenet is pretty much the home of the free. People acting like three year olds are okey dokey with me. That's the price we have to pay for freedom of speech. I'll pay those dues any day of the week. All this fits well with my perfect justice way of seeing things. All your bad behavior and bad vibes, are forever displayed here. What goes around, comes around, again and again and again. What could be more perfect and wonderful?

[s***@gmail.com]

I got booted because I didn't post often enough.... Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to add to discussions as I have very little experience....

Bryan

[dsi1]

Post by s***@gmail.com
I got booted because I didn't post often enough.... Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to add to discussions as I have very little experience....
Bryan

Just copy what everybody else posts on delcamp. Keep it low key and
maintain a moderate tone and don't call too much attention to yourself
i.e., avoid straying away from the usual and customary. If you don't
have anything to say, post anyway to maintain your membership status.
Follow this advice and you'll do well at delcamp and you'll also make it
as a bonafide classical guitar player. Good luck!

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:09:50 -1000

Post by dsi1

Post by s***@gmail.com
I got booted because I didn't post often enough....
Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the
decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to
add to discussions as I have very little experience....
Bryan

Just copy what everybody else posts on delcamp. Keep it low key
and maintain a moderate tone and don't call too much attention
to yourself i.e., avoid straying away from the usual and
customary. If you don't have anything to say, post anyway to
maintain your membership status. Follow this advice and you'll
do well at delcamp and you'll also make it as a bonafide
classical guitar player. Good luck!

Ds1 gives good advice about how to conduct yourself when you
get back in. The problem with that forum is that the
moderators are not masters of the instrument and can't
stand posts from people who play and know more guitar
than they do.

Its stated goal is to help ones more advanced to help in turn
those less advanced, so its a home for everything more or
less. There really is no place for anything other than mediocrity.

There is no reason to insult Mr. Delcamp, because
his forum fulfils his stated goals. For you the trick is
to know when to leave.

Speaking of mediocrity, my spell checker can't spell "fulfil".
Let's see if "traveler" turns red too... Nope. Regards, Rale

[dsi1]

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:09:50 -1000

Post by dsi1

Post by s***@gmail.com
I got booted because I didn't post often enough....
Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the
decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to
add to discussions as I have very little experience....
Bryan

Just copy what everybody else posts on delcamp. Keep it low key
and maintain a moderate tone and don't call too much attention
to yourself i.e., avoid straying away from the usual and
customary. If you don't have anything to say, post anyway to
maintain your membership status. Follow this advice and you'll
do well at delcamp and you'll also make it as a bonafide
classical guitar player. Good luck!

Ds1 gives good advice about how to conduct yourself when you
get back in. The problem with that forum is that the
moderators are not masters of the instrument and can't
stand posts from people who play and know more guitar
than they do.
Its stated goal is to help ones more advanced to help in turn
those less advanced, so its a home for everything more or
less. There really is no place for anything other than mediocrity.
There is no reason to insult Mr. Delcamp, because
his forum fulfils his stated goals. For you the trick is
to know when to leave.

You have a good point about ridiculing somebody for doing his own thing
- I shouldn't do it. It's just that I have a problem with authority,
dogma, and pompousness. The pompitous of love, OTOH, is just alright
with me.

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
Speaking of mediocrity, my spell checker can't spell "fulfil".
Let's see if "traveler" turns red too... Nope. Regards, Rale

My spell check wants to reject "fulfil" too. My guess is that it's
rejecting the Brit's way of spelling the word. This makes a lot of sense
to me on this day. Happy Birthday USA.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:30:22 -1000

Post by dsi1

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:09:50 -1000

Post by dsi1

Post by s***@gmail.com
I got booted because I didn't post often enough....
Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the
decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to
add to discussions as I have very little experience....
Bryan

Just copy what everybody else posts on delcamp. Keep it low
key and maintain a moderate tone and don't call too much
attention to yourself i.e., avoid straying away from the
usual and customary. If you don't have anything to say, post
anyway to maintain your membership status. Follow this
advice and you'll do well at delcamp and you'll also make it
as a bonafide classical guitar player. Good luck!

Ds1 gives good advice about how to conduct yourself when you
get back in. The problem with that forum is that the
moderators are not masters of the instrument and can't
stand posts from people who play and know more guitar
than they do.
Its stated goal is to help ones more advanced to help in turn
those less advanced, so its a home for everything more or
less. There really is no place for anything other than
mediocrity.
There is no reason to insult Mr. Delcamp, because
his forum fulfils his stated goals. For you the trick is
to know when to leave.

You have a good point about ridiculing somebody for doing his
own thing
- I shouldn't do it. It's just that I have a problem with
authority, dogma, and pompousness. The pompitous of love, OTOH,
is just alright with me.

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
Speaking of mediocrity, my spell checker can't spell "fulfil".
Let's see if "traveler" turns red too... Nope. Regards, Rale

My spell check wants to reject "fulfil" too. My guess is that
it's rejecting the Brit's way of spelling the word. This makes
a lot of sense to me on this day. Happy Birthday USA.

The standard spelling according to legal secretaries in the
USA is 'fulfil'. I don't know what manuals they depend on,
but the spellchecker is just plain wrong for American English
at least since the latter part of the 20th century.

There are changes I can't stand, like 'focused', which one
would pronounce like 'excused' instead of 'concussed'. I
stay focussed, with no excusses. :-) Regards, Rale

[dsi1]

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
On Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:30:22 -1000

Post by dsi1

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:09:50 -1000

Post by dsi1

Post by s***@gmail.com
I got booted because I didn't post often enough....
Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the
decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to
add to discussions as I have very little experience....
Bryan

Just copy what everybody else posts on delcamp. Keep it low
key and maintain a moderate tone and don't call too much
attention to yourself i.e., avoid straying away from the
usual and customary. If you don't have anything to say, post
anyway to maintain your membership status. Follow this
advice and you'll do well at delcamp and you'll also make it
as a bonafide classical guitar player. Good luck!

Ds1 gives good advice about how to conduct yourself when you
get back in. The problem with that forum is that the
moderators are not masters of the instrument and can't
stand posts from people who play and know more guitar
than they do.
Its stated goal is to help ones more advanced to help in turn
those less advanced, so its a home for everything more or
less. There really is no place for anything other than
mediocrity.
There is no reason to insult Mr. Delcamp, because
his forum fulfils his stated goals. For you the trick is
to know when to leave.

You have a good point about ridiculing somebody for doing his
own thing
- I shouldn't do it. It's just that I have a problem with
authority, dogma, and pompousness. The pompitous of love, OTOH,
is just alright with me.

Post by David Raleigh Arnold
Speaking of mediocrity, my spell checker can't spell "fulfil".
Let's see if "traveler" turns red too... Nope. Regards, Rale

My spell check wants to reject "fulfil" too. My guess is that
it's rejecting the Brit's way of spelling the word. This makes
a lot of sense to me on this day. Happy Birthday USA.

The standard spelling according to legal secretaries in the
USA is 'fulfil'. I don't know what manuals they depend on,
but the spellchecker is just plain wrong for American English
at least since the latter part of the 20th century.
There are changes I can't stand, like 'focused', which one
would pronounce like 'excused' instead of 'concussed'. I
stay focussed, with no excusses. :-) Regards, Rale

I hate English - on either side of the pond. Just choose one spelling
and stick with it! :-)

[Murdick]

I just went on the list and immediately found an interesting thread concerning string crossing. It was the old debate about whether you should cross from the elbow or slide the forearm. Shearer was mentioned. It was informative.

(I don't advocate the strict crossing from the elbow(Shearer's point of view). Certainly across the first three strings it works fine. I think both should be explored rather than one or the other. The important thing is that string crossing should be a major consideration in anyone's technique.) But let's not get into a guitar discussion. I'm sorry that I brought it up.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Murdick
I just went on the list and immediately found an interesting
thread concerning string crossing. It was the old debate about
whether you should cross from the elbow or slide the forearm.
Shearer was mentioned. It was informative.

It was stupid. It doesn't matter in the slightest because
the fingers do the walking in all cases. The finger first,
and the hand follows. Any good player should know that.
One who doesn't know that is nothing but a bulls..ter.
a fake, a charlatan, totally unqualified to teach guitar,
let alone teach teachers.
Rale

[John Nguyen]

Post by Murdick
I just went on the list and immediately found an interesting thread concerning string crossing. It was the old debate about whether you should cross from the elbow or slide the forearm. Shearer was mentioned. It was informative.
(I don't advocate the strict crossing from the elbow(Shearer's point of view). Certainly across the first three strings it works fine. I think both should be explored rather than one or the other. The important thing is that string crossing should be a major consideration in anyone's technique.) But let's not get into a guitar discussion. I'm sorry that I brought it up.

Speaking of string crossing exercise, I found the Tarrega's Etude No. 6 in A very beneficial to me for the i and m fingers, It felt very awkwark at first but gradually became a second nature reaction.

Here is the clip I did on youboob almost two years ago.

Happy I.D to everyone!

Cheers,

John

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by s***@gmail.com
I got booted because I didn't post often enough.... Considering I'm a new student of the guitar, I think the decamp forum is a little too tough.... And I have little to add to discussions as I have very little experience....
Bryan

You could have asked about strings. They love talking about strings. I think there are over 12,000 string threads there

[Murdick]

Post by jpw
every body knows delcamp.net
the best forum of classical guitar in the world
but who knows really jean françois delcamp ??
http://youtu.be/GSJb1d8QtDY
only one people ?
oh no !
I know many people like this one
and I have this question : Is jean françois delcamp an idiot ??
who can give me an anwser ??
jpw
I beg your pardon for my poor english
I'm french, it was a cold day in southern burgundy to day
my french site on classical guitare in begining is
http://123guitare.com
I'm an old beginner (sixty)
you can find a poor video of me on you tube at 123guitare
i'ts my first message on this forum
...

I was on the list for about a year and posted quite a bit. I never had any trouble. The people there are well meaning but it is amazing how ignorant they are. Delcamp himself, IMO, is a rank amateur who knows less than nothing about the guitar. His lessons are an absolute riot.

[Murdick]

DA says, "Any good player should know that.
One who doesn't know that is nothing but a bulls..ter.
a fake, a charlatan, totally unqualified to teach guitar,
let alone teach teachers."

Even if this were true how is the hand supposed to follow? Does it disconnect from the wrist? Watch any good player play a scale across all six strings and you will see the hand follow a smooth path across the strings. With free stroke it will be the hand that moves very slightly ahead of the fingers while ascending and the reverse in descending.