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My weekend notes - Still an AFC but hopefully improving :)
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AFC
2006-07-17 05:09:10 UTC
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During the last week I read through every article on the
fastseduction.com site and going through threads in this forum. I
decided this weekend I would do some experiments with what I've
learned. I went with some friends on a road trip this weekend.
We got to a mall to do some shopping and we all split up. So I was
alone.

Now, in the past, I would never try to initiate eye contact with girls.
I was simply relying on my extreme manliness and gorgeous body to make
girls run up to me and say "Take me home with you now!". Obviously this
wasn't working, so I decided to change things up.
So I decided I would try to initiate and maintain eye contact until
they broke it. Realize that I'd never usually have prolonged eye
contact with anyone (friends, family, coworkers...) in the past, so
this was a fairly big step for me.

I tried to get eye contact from about 30 feet out and maintain it until
they passed me. I did this as they walked by without smiling or saying
hi. Most looked away and didn't look back. A couple sneaked a look over
without turning their heads. But no girls smiled or said hi.

I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.

I met up for lunch with my friends and noticed a girl (5-6) sitting at
a nearby table. Though not absolutely gorgeous she had some friendly
quality that drew me to her. I initiated eye contact with her and
smiled. She smiled and broke eye contact. We did this a few times until
we were finished. She left the food area and started walking in the
mall. I followed her, came up behind her and grabbed her ass...haha
just joking...I said "Hi". She said "Hi". I said something along the
lines of "I know this might seem unusual, but have you ever felt some
kind of connection with some stranger you've seen in passing? I felt
that something when I saw you. And since we'll probably never see each
other again I thought I'd just tell you that".
She said "Oh that's so nice. What's your name?"
I told her my name, she told me her's and we shook hands.
We had some small talk but nothing else resulted from it.
Now it may have been my line "And since we'll probably never see each
other again..." that had an air of finality to it. Anyway, I felt
extremely awkward during this conversation and certainly need to polish
my delivery. I know I broke eye contact and fell back into my AFC ways.
It still felt good to have some kind of positive reaction.

I had another small interaction with a couple girls earlier in the day.
My friends and I were at a Starbuck's. We were just sitting around
chillin' a bit. I noticed a couple girls sitting at a nearby table
(7-8's) One had a purse with an "Angry Little Girl's" scene on it.
"http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/" The scene was of two little girls
one girl was saying "I love your purse". The other was saying "Go find
your own purse b*%ch". It made me laugh. As we were leaving I hung back
a bit and said to the girl "Your purse made me laugh". She said "OMG!
I've had this purse for so long now and you're the first person to
notice it!" She was laughing and all giggly. I was stunned and didn't
know what to do. Her reaction pushed me back into an AFC state. I just
did not expect such a positive reaction. So I said bye and left. I'm
still kicking myself now. I should have started a conversation. I know
I could have gotten their phone numbers. DARN!

Anyway, I'd appreciate any comments. I'm going to keep refining my
thoughts and approaches.

Thanks all.
aek_6
2006-07-17 05:44:41 UTC
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good stories. keep it up.
AFC
2006-07-17 15:29:12 UTC
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I was invited to a wedding reception from a friend's friend (both
girls) recently.
We'll see what transpires from that. It's next week or something.
I'm also taking a a couple of holidays. A week in August (back home)
and another in week in September with my buddy to the Caribbean (18 or
older resort woot woot!).
It will be interesting. Hopefully girls on vacations will be more
relaxed and more approachable.
Post by aek_6
good stories. keep it up.
speeding
2006-07-17 10:27:02 UTC
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Post by AFC
During the last week I read through every article on the
fastseduction.com site and going through threads in this forum. I
decided this weekend I would do some experiments with what I've
learned. I went with some friends on a road trip this weekend.
We got to a mall to do some shopping and we all split up. So I was
alone.
Now, in the past, I would never try to initiate eye contact with girls.
I was simply relying on my extreme manliness and gorgeous body to make
girls run up to me and say "Take me home with you now!". Obviously this
wasn't working, so I decided to change things up.
So I decided I would try to initiate and maintain eye contact until
they broke it. Realize that I'd never usually have prolonged eye
contact with anyone (friends, family, coworkers...) in the past, so
this was a fairly big step for me.
But an important one. The first step is the hardest.
Post by AFC
I tried to get eye contact from about 30 feet out and maintain it until
they passed me. I did this as they walked by without smiling or saying
hi. Most looked away and didn't look back. A couple sneaked a look over
without turning their heads. But no girls smiled or said hi.
I had the same results. Too far back and EC was just a total bust.
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
Ditto. Best results seems to come from quick glance type EC. That was
almost like they were hunting for the fleeting glance. I think there's
some sort of "fleeting glance leads to true love" fantasy there...
Post by AFC
I met up for lunch with my friends and noticed a girl (5-6) sitting at
a nearby table. Though not absolutely gorgeous she had some friendly
quality that drew me to her. I initiated eye contact with her and
smiled. She smiled and broke eye contact. We did this a few times until
we were finished. She left the food area and started walking in the
mall. I followed her, came up behind her and grabbed her ass...haha
just joking...I said "Hi". She said "Hi". I said something along the
lines of "I know this might seem unusual, but have you ever felt some
kind of connection with some stranger you've seen in passing? I felt
that something when I saw you. And since we'll probably never see each
other again I thought I'd just tell you that".
She said "Oh that's so nice. What's your name?"
I told her my name, she told me her's and we shook hands.
We had some small talk but nothing else resulted from it.
Now it may have been my line "And since we'll probably never see each
other again..." that had an air of finality to it. Anyway, I felt
extremely awkward during this conversation and certainly need to polish
my delivery. I know I broke eye contact and fell back into my AFC ways.
It still felt good to have some kind of positive reaction.
Surprise huh? Just wait. It gets better and better. As you get more
confidence (which is what the Newbie Mission is for) you'll notice that
more and more often women will open to you. And you'll keep reading, I'm
sure, and you'll handle it better.

The "never see each other" thing.. you came up with that without having
read it somewhere? Brilliant. Plays right into the whole fleeting romance
kind of thing. "She can never have this chance again. Act now. Supplies
are limited. Hurry Hurry Hurry." Time limits can be such wonderful
motivators.
Post by AFC
I had another small interaction with a couple girls earlier in the day.
My friends and I were at a Starbuck's. We were just sitting around
chillin' a bit. I noticed a couple girls sitting at a nearby table
(7-8's) One had a purse with an "Angry Little Girl's" scene on it.
"http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/" The scene was of two little girls
one girl was saying "I love your purse". The other was saying "Go find
your own purse b*%ch". It made me laugh. As we were leaving I hung back
a bit and said to the girl "Your purse made me laugh". She said "OMG!
I've had this purse for so long now and you're the first person to
notice it!" She was laughing and all giggly. I was stunned and didn't
know what to do. Her reaction pushed me back into an AFC state. I just
did not expect such a positive reaction. So I said bye and left. I'm
still kicking myself now. I should have started a conversation. I know
I could have gotten their phone numbers. DARN!
Don't worry about it. You know what you didn't do and what you could have
done. Next time... you'll do it. I get a feeling from your post and the
humor in it that you are going to be really good at this. It won't take
too long and you'll be looking back at this post and laughing about it...
you'll feel like that person is so different. And he will be.
Post by AFC
Anyway, I'd appreciate any comments. I'm going to keep refining my
thoughts and approaches.
I'm sure you will. Just keep letting us know how it's going.
Post by AFC
Thanks all.
AFC
2006-07-17 15:18:17 UTC
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Thanks for the positive replies thus far.
Post by speeding
Post by AFC
I tried to get eye contact from about 30 feet out and maintain it until
they passed me. I did this as they walked by without smiling or saying
hi. Most looked away and didn't look back. A couple sneaked a look over
without turning their heads. But no girls smiled or said hi.
I had the same results. Too far back and EC was just a total bust.
I'm going to experiment more with the EC thing. Maybe try sitting down.
Post by speeding
Post by AFC
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
Ditto. Best results seems to come from quick glance type EC. That was
almost like they were hunting for the fleeting glance. I think there's
some sort of "fleeting glance leads to true love" fantasy there...
Good point. I never thought about the "fleeting glance" thing. Maybe I
could get EC, look away, then when she's close, look back and smile.
I'm sure there are other variations but I'll give it a shot.
Post by speeding
Post by AFC
I met up for lunch with my friends and noticed a girl (5-6) sitting at
a nearby table. Though not absolutely gorgeous she had some friendly
quality that drew me to her. I initiated eye contact with her and
smiled. She smiled and broke eye contact. We did this a few times until
we were finished. She left the food area and started walking in the
mall. I followed her, came up behind her and grabbed her ass...haha
just joking...I said "Hi". She said "Hi". I said something along the
lines of "I know this might seem unusual, but have you ever felt some
kind of connection with some stranger you've seen in passing? I felt
that something when I saw you. And since we'll probably never see each
other again I thought I'd just tell you that".
She said "Oh that's so nice. What's your name?"
I told her my name, she told me her's and we shook hands.
We had some small talk but nothing else resulted from it.
Now it may have been my line "And since we'll probably never see each
other again..." that had an air of finality to it. Anyway, I felt
extremely awkward during this conversation and certainly need to polish
my delivery. I know I broke eye contact and fell back into my AFC ways.
It still felt good to have some kind of positive reaction.
Surprise huh? Just wait. It gets better and better. As you get more
confidence (which is what the Newbie Mission is for) you'll notice that
more and more often women will open to you. And you'll keep reading, I'm
sure, and you'll handle it better.
Even though I felt awkward, it still felt exhilirating. I know I'll be
more confident next time.
My delivery should be smoother as well.
Post by speeding
The "never see each other" thing.. you came up with that without having
read it somewhere? Brilliant. Plays right into the whole fleeting romance
kind of thing. "She can never have this chance again. Act now. Supplies
are limited. Hurry Hurry Hurry." Time limits can be such wonderful
motivators.
Thanks!
For some reason approaching from behind felt more comfortable than
approaching her head on. I may have read it somewhere and it's buried
in my subconscience somewhere.
I also thought that once I was "in her face" she would have to say
something to me. It would also catch her off guard. She would have to
say something based on how she feels at that moment rather than
thinking of something to say if she saw me approach.
Post by speeding
Post by AFC
I had another small interaction with a couple girls earlier in the day.
My friends and I were at a Starbuck's. We were just sitting around
chillin' a bit. I noticed a couple girls sitting at a nearby table
(7-8's) One had a purse with an "Angry Little Girl's" scene on it.
"http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/" The scene was of two little girls
one girl was saying "I love your purse". The other was saying "Go find
your own purse b*%ch". It made me laugh. As we were leaving I hung back
a bit and said to the girl "Your purse made me laugh". She said "OMG!
I've had this purse for so long now and you're the first person to
notice it!" She was laughing and all giggly. I was stunned and didn't
know what to do. Her reaction pushed me back into an AFC state. I just
did not expect such a positive reaction. So I said bye and left. I'm
still kicking myself now. I should have started a conversation. I know
I could have gotten their phone numbers. DARN!
Don't worry about it. You know what you didn't do and what you could have
done. Next time... you'll do it. I get a feeling from your post and the
humor in it that you are going to be really good at this. It won't take
too long and you'll be looking back at this post and laughing about it...
you'll feel like that person is so different. And he will be.
True. It still feels good even if I didn't pursue it.
At least I did something. In the past I wouldn't have said anything.
Now I'm noticing little things that girls do that I can pick up on.
Now Im Confused
2006-07-17 11:32:15 UTC
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Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.

You should pay attention to how they look away.

Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)

Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)

Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Post by AFC
<SNIP>
It still felt good to have some kind of positive reaction.
Its progress. If you keep making little steps like this, more forwards
and less backwards you can get anywhere that you want to go in life.

Next baby step, approach sooner, after the third eye contact, approach
or be almost certainly thought of as creepy.
Post by AFC
I had another small interaction with a couple girls earlier in the day.
My friends and I were at a Starbuck's. We were just sitting around
chillin' a bit. I noticed a couple girls sitting at a nearby table
(7-8's) One had a purse with an "Angry Little Girl's" scene on it.
"http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/" The scene was of two little girls
one girl was saying "I love your purse". The other was saying "Go find
your own purse b*%ch". It made me laugh. As we were leaving I hung back
a bit and said to the girl "Your purse made me laugh". She said "OMG!
I've had this purse for so long now and you're the first person to
notice it!" She was laughing and all giggly. I was stunned and didn't
know what to do. Her reaction pushed me back into an AFC state. I just
did not expect such a positive reaction. So I said bye and left. I'm
still kicking myself now. I should have started a conversation. I know
I could have gotten their phone numbers. DARN!
You don't know you could have gotten there phone numbers until you
have gotten her phone numbers. And those phone numbers could still
turn out wood, but its a move in write direction. You should have
worked this one to the next level and actually tried for the
number. You already knew that. No problem, im sure BarStucks is open
right now.
--
speeding wrote
""
It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked.
""
speeding
2006-07-17 11:42:04 UTC
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Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Never knew this. I'm going to have to pay more attention. That's good to
know. It makes sense that kinestetic movement would apply to EC break
thinking, though. Eyes down, recall or creation of emotion. Good...
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
<SNIP>
It still felt good to have some kind of positive reaction.
Its progress. If you keep making little steps like this, more forwards
and less backwards you can get anywhere that you want to go in life.
Amen.
Post by Now Im Confused
Next baby step, approach sooner, after the third eye contact, approach
or be almost certainly thought of as creepy.
Amen.
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I had another small interaction with a couple girls earlier in the day.
My friends and I were at a Starbuck's. We were just sitting around
chillin' a bit. I noticed a couple girls sitting at a nearby table
(7-8's) One had a purse with an "Angry Little Girl's" scene on it.
"http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/" The scene was of two little girls
one girl was saying "I love your purse". The other was saying "Go find
your own purse b*%ch". It made me laugh. As we were leaving I hung back
a bit and said to the girl "Your purse made me laugh". She said "OMG!
I've had this purse for so long now and you're the first person to
notice it!" She was laughing and all giggly. I was stunned and didn't
know what to do. Her reaction pushed me back into an AFC state. I just
did not expect such a positive reaction. So I said bye and left. I'm
still kicking myself now. I should have started a conversation. I know
I could have gotten their phone numbers. DARN!
You don't know you could have gotten there phone numbers until you
have gotten her phone numbers. And those phone numbers could still
turn out wood, but its a move in write direction. You should have
worked this one to the next level and actually tried for the
number. You already knew that. No problem, im sure BarStucks is open
right now.
PS: love the tag line!!
Now Im Confused
2006-07-17 12:01:25 UTC
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Post by speeding
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me
smile
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Never knew this. I'm going to have to pay more attention. That's good to
know. It makes sense that kinestetic movement would apply to EC break
thinking, though. Eyes down, recall or creation of emotion. Good...
PS: love the tag line!!
;)
--
"It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked. " - speeding
AFC
2006-07-17 15:24:23 UTC
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Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
<SNIP>
It still felt good to have some kind of positive reaction.
Its progress. If you keep making little steps like this, more forwards
and less backwards you can get anywhere that you want to go in life.
Next baby step, approach sooner, after the third eye contact, approach
or be almost certainly thought of as creepy.
Good points. The last thing I want to be thought of is creepy. Girls
seem to get creeped out quite quickly because of the morons out there
that do creepy things.
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I had another small interaction with a couple girls earlier in the day.
My friends and I were at a Starbuck's. We were just sitting around
chillin' a bit. I noticed a couple girls sitting at a nearby table
(7-8's) One had a purse with an "Angry Little Girl's" scene on it.
"http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/" The scene was of two little girls
one girl was saying "I love your purse". The other was saying "Go find
your own purse b*%ch". It made me laugh. As we were leaving I hung back
a bit and said to the girl "Your purse made me laugh". She said "OMG!
I've had this purse for so long now and you're the first person to
notice it!" She was laughing and all giggly. I was stunned and didn't
know what to do. Her reaction pushed me back into an AFC state. I just
did not expect such a positive reaction. So I said bye and left. I'm
still kicking myself now. I should have started a conversation. I know
I could have gotten their phone numbers. DARN!
You don't know you could have gotten there phone numbers until you
have gotten her phone numbers. And those phone numbers could still
turn out wood, but its a move in write direction. You should have
worked this one to the next level and actually tried for the
number. You already knew that. No problem, im sure BarStucks is open
right now.
You're right. I may not have gotten their numbers. I might have screwed
something up or got nervous and came off more as a weirdo. But I felt
good at the time and they both had a real positive energy about them.
It was Sunday morning so they were probably still feeling the effects
of Saturday night clubbing.
Alex
2006-07-17 18:40:18 UTC
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Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.

Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.

I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.

The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.

Since men aren't psychic, we interpret that gesture as we see fit. Those
with low-confidence issues translate it as "I'm not interested." Those who
either can't read body language or don't care will approach.

After a time, the woman begins to wonder why she only meets guys who are
"assholes." Of course, she'd rather just blame ALL men than consider it
might have something to do with what SHE is doing.

Once I've had this discussion with women, most of them go out and try
something different (like actually locking eyes and smiling at a guy they
might be interested in).

I get a lot of positive feedback from these women when I see them again.
AFC
2006-07-17 19:43:14 UTC
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Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I never thought of it like this before but it makes sense.
Could it be that most girls aren't aggressive so they look away to
appear less aggressive hoping the guy will approach?
Post by Alex
Since men aren't psychic, we interpret that gesture as we see fit. Those
with low-confidence issues translate it as "I'm not interested." Those who
either can't read body language or don't care will approach.
Anytime a girl looked away I immediately thought "She's not
interested". It never occurred to me that she could be interested but
didn't want to appear to be interested (girl logic I suppose). I can't
read minds or body language, so it's difficult for someone like me to
pick up on signs that girls may think are obvious.
Post by Alex
After a time, the woman begins to wonder why she only meets guys who are
"assholes." Of course, she'd rather just blame ALL men than consider it
might have something to do with what SHE is doing.
Once I've had this discussion with women, most of them go out and try
something different (like actually locking eyes and smiling at a guy they
might be interested in).
I get a lot of positive feedback from these women when I see them again.
I'm going to ask some of my friends who are girls about this. It would
be interesting to hear their responses.
Now Im Confused
2006-07-17 21:35:19 UTC
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Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
--
"It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked. " - speeding
Alex
2006-07-17 22:21:56 UTC
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Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
Now Im Confused
2006-07-18 10:54:58 UTC
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Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
There must be a diffrent reason for the lack of EC other then LSE.
--
"It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked. " - speeding
Alex
2006-07-18 17:35:53 UTC
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Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
There must be a diffrent reason for the lack of EC other then LSE.
Maybe, maybe not.

But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of the
behavior, rather than the why.
Now Im Confused
2006-07-18 19:34:40 UTC
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Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
There must be a diffrent reason for the lack of EC other then LSE.
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of the
behavior, rather than the why.
But they "why" may help us to get them from where they are to where we
want them to go in there mind. I mean if the girl just shooting down
men with because she is, in her mind, HB9 we might neg diffrently then
a girl we guess to be LSE.
--
"It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked. " - speeding
Alex
2006-07-18 19:42:11 UTC
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Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
There must be a diffrent reason for the lack of EC other then LSE.
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of the
behavior, rather than the why.
But they "why" may help us to get them from where they are to where we
want them to go in there mind. I mean if the girl just shooting down
men with because she is, in her mind, HB9 we might neg diffrently then
a girl we guess to be LSE.
Those two choices you give are not the polar opposites you'd like them to
be.
Now Im Confused
2006-07-18 21:21:38 UTC
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Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
There must be a diffrent reason for the lack of EC other then LSE.
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of the
behavior, rather than the why.
But they "why" may help us to get them from where they are to where we
want them to go in there mind. I mean if the girl just shooting down
men with because she is, in her mind, HB9 we might neg diffrently then
a girl we guess to be LSE.
Those two choices you give are not the polar opposites you'd like them to
be.
Regardless, you don't approach all women the same, do you? I mean one
will wish to take a reading first and see if and how one may want to
proceed. So understanding the mind-set of the average local is to our
benefit.
--
"It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked. " - speeding
Alex
2006-07-18 21:46:58 UTC
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Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by Alex
Post by AFC
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I decided to smile after I got eye contact. Problem was most looked
away so fast that they didn't see me smile at them. Some girls
maintained eye contact with me long enough to see me smile and these
ones usually smiled back. A lot broke eye contact after seeing me smile
but they still smiled.
"Looking away" Isn't always bad, infact eventually everyone always
looks away.
You should pay attention to how they look away.
Bad: Eyes Moved Latterally, Away, no smile and fast. (read please stop
looking at me)
Better: Eyes move down and away with a bit of a head motion to the
same (read maybe)
Approach Invitation: Eyes move down and away, with a short blush and
tiny smile (go for it).
Most looked away laterally. So maybe the staring from a distance is a
bit creepy for most girls to handle.
I'm sorry that I've missed this thread so far, since eye contact (at least
in NYC bars) is a different game.
Most women use the catch-your-eye-and-look-away game as a default option.
I can't tell you how many times I've dissected a woman's complaints about
her love life to this action.
The problem is that she's giving the same signal (catching your eye and
looking away) to both sets of men-- those she might be interested in and
those she isn't.
I would think a girl who look away like this would be more likley to
have low self esteem. Then one who smiled or is this just an NYC
thing.
In NYC, it seems MOST women suffer from LSE then, because MOST women do
this.
There must be a diffrent reason for the lack of EC other then LSE.
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of the
behavior, rather than the why.
But they "why" may help us to get them from where they are to where we
want them to go in there mind. I mean if the girl just shooting down
men with because she is, in her mind, HB9 we might neg diffrently then
a girl we guess to be LSE.
Those two choices you give are not the polar opposites you'd like them to
be.
Regardless, you don't approach all women the same, do you? I mean one
will wish to take a reading first and see if and how one may want to
proceed. So understanding the mind-set of the average local is to our
benefit.
I also don't make assumptions.

I'll approach someone who has made herself approachable and only neg if I
meet bitchiness. Most of the time, I don't.
speeding
2006-07-19 04:49:49 UTC
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Post by Alex
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of
the behavior, rather than the why.
Speak for yourself. The "why" allows you to understand the what and how.
The why explains the reasons for the behavior... which allows control of
that behavior for those that know the why behind it...

And as to the why... long distance eye contact, from what I found when I
did the same thing a few weeks ago... seems to elict a "stalker" alert.
Man or woman... when someone is looking at you from a long distance
away... more than about 30 feet... your first response is wondering WHY
they are stareing at you. (because at that distance, the look can become
a stare way too easily)

Within about 10 or so feet, the same glance, because there's no second
chance for it, (sort of, anyways) becomes a glance... a fleeting moment.
And thus, as a fleeting glance, it is welcomed. Women seem to respond
this way even more so than men. Try it with women and with men. Men take
the longer distance contact as a challenge. Women, of course, avoid
challenge... thus their reaction to it. But, within that magic zone...
women respond to a glance more than men.. because a fleeting glance, I
guess... can lead to a fleeting romance.

Longer distance... creepy...
Shorter distance... mysterious...
AFC
2006-07-19 14:06:45 UTC
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I tend to agree with the longer distance EC being creepier since I got
no responses from it at all.
I've been practicing the "fleeting" glance type of looks.

Yesterday I had a few positive interactions.
I was on the bus. A girl I see daily got on the bus and I gave her a
quick look and smile. She gave a small smile. She sat down and I could
tell she was looking out at the corner of her eyes. Not much else
resulted from it. Since I see her everyday on the bus I'll take it
slower and give her quick glances to see what results.

Last night I was riding my bike. I came to a stop light and on the
other side of the street there was a HB (8-9). I was looking at her and
as soon as she noticed I broke EC in a "shy" sort of way. As we crossed
we had some serious EC, I gave her a little smile and she gave me one
of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. I should have approached but I
had somewhere to go.
Post by speeding
Post by Alex
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of
the behavior, rather than the why.
Speak for yourself. The "why" allows you to understand the what and how.
The why explains the reasons for the behavior... which allows control of
that behavior for those that know the why behind it...
And as to the why... long distance eye contact, from what I found when I
did the same thing a few weeks ago... seems to elict a "stalker" alert.
Man or woman... when someone is looking at you from a long distance
away... more than about 30 feet... your first response is wondering WHY
they are stareing at you. (because at that distance, the look can become
a stare way too easily)
Within about 10 or so feet, the same glance, because there's no second
chance for it, (sort of, anyways) becomes a glance... a fleeting moment.
And thus, as a fleeting glance, it is welcomed. Women seem to respond
this way even more so than men. Try it with women and with men. Men take
the longer distance contact as a challenge. Women, of course, avoid
challenge... thus their reaction to it. But, within that magic zone...
women respond to a glance more than men.. because a fleeting glance, I
guess... can lead to a fleeting romance.
Longer distance... creepy...
Shorter distance... mysterious...
Now Im Confused
2006-07-19 17:18:08 UTC
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Post by AFC
I tend to agree with the longer distance EC being creepier since I got
no responses from it at all.
I've been practicing the "fleeting" glance type of looks.
Yesterday I had a few positive interactions.
I was on the bus. A girl I see daily got on the bus and I gave her a
quick look and smile. She gave a small smile. She sat down and I could
tell she was looking out at the corner of her eyes. Not much else
resulted from it. Since I see her everyday on the bus I'll take it
slower and give her quick glances to see what results.
Your plan will get you labeled as CREEPY! There is a 99.9% chance of
this label. Next time you see her looking at you go directly up to her
and introduce yourself.
Post by AFC
Last night I was riding my bike. I came to a stop light and on the
other side of the street there was a HB (8-9). I was looking at her and
as soon as she noticed I broke EC in a "shy" sort of way. As we crossed
we had some serious EC, I gave her a little smile and she gave me one
of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. I should have approached but I
had somewhere to go.
You should have approached regardless, i am sure you had two minutes,
which is enough time to get contact info.



P.S. Please being your post AFTER the quoted text like this. Not
above.

because thats the way we read
Post by AFC
why?
you should quote text on top and reply on bottom
--
"It's the man. The man gets the pussy. That simple. The pussy gets to
be fucked by the man. It's always been that way. You chose to be the
pussy. And now you are fucked. " - speeding
speeding
2006-07-20 03:08:31 UTC
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Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
I tend to agree with the longer distance EC being creepier since I got
no responses from it at all.
I've been practicing the "fleeting" glance type of looks.
Yesterday I had a few positive interactions.
I was on the bus. A girl I see daily got on the bus and I gave her a
quick look and smile. She gave a small smile. She sat down and I could
tell she was looking out at the corner of her eyes. Not much else
resulted from it. Since I see her everyday on the bus I'll take it
slower and give her quick glances to see what results.
Your plan will get you labeled as CREEPY! There is a 99.9% chance of
this label. Next time you see her looking at you go directly up to her
and introduce yourself.
SPOT ON!!! Be the man.
Post by Now Im Confused
Post by AFC
Last night I was riding my bike. I came to a stop light and on the
other side of the street there was a HB (8-9). I was looking at her and
as soon as she noticed I broke EC in a "shy" sort of way. As we crossed
we had some serious EC, I gave her a little smile and she gave me one
of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. I should have approached but I
had somewhere to go.
You should have approached regardless, i am sure you had two minutes,
which is enough time to get contact info.
P.S. Please being your post AFTER the quoted text like this. Not
above.
because thats the way we read
Post by AFC
why?
you should quote text on top and reply on bottom
AFC
2006-07-20 18:57:54 UTC
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Post by speeding
SPOT ON!!! Be the man.
Hehe I'll try not to wimp out next time. :)

speeding
2006-07-20 03:07:28 UTC
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Post by AFC
I tend to agree with the longer distance EC being creepier since I got
no responses from it at all.
I've been practicing the "fleeting" glance type of looks.
Yesterday I had a few positive interactions.
I was on the bus. A girl I see daily got on the bus and I gave her a
quick look and smile. She gave a small smile. She sat down and I could
tell she was looking out at the corner of her eyes. Not much else
resulted from it. Since I see her everyday on the bus I'll take it
slower and give her quick glances to see what results.
That's another thing I noticed and mentioned way back when (a month or so
ago) from my EC report... women are VERY subtle in how they glance and
look. A woman can pick up a hugh ammount of information in a half second
glance. Watch women walk in the mall as they check other men out. You'll
notice they make a quick down-up glance that gets a quick photo of what
they are mentally looking to judge...
Shoes. (color, style, shape, wear, quality, etc...)
Jeans. (fit, the bulge, brand, quality, wear, other bulges, etc...)
Belt. (yep.. belts are like shoes...)
Shirt. (fit, pecs and chest build, and all the other stuff from shoes...)
Smile and eyes. (looking for warmth, mischeiviousness, etc...)
Hair. (style, cut, grooming, etc...)

All in a fraction of a second. And they usually notice all this in that
instant while also waiting for us to make the "Tit check". Whikle we are
spending about three seconds looking at her tits... she's spending a half
second checking us out while we aren't looking... and the other two or so
seconds thinking "I'm up here."
Post by AFC
Last night I was riding my bike. I came to a stop light and on the
other side of the street there was a HB (8-9). I was looking at her and
as soon as she noticed I broke EC in a "shy" sort of way. As we crossed
we had some serious EC, I gave her a little smile and she gave me one
of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. I should have approached but I
had somewhere to go.
Sucks, huh! Use a one-minute opener...
Post by AFC
Post by speeding
Post by Alex
Maybe, maybe not.
But this is a forum where we're more interested in the what and how of
the behavior, rather than the why.
Speak for yourself. The "why" allows you to understand the what and how.
The why explains the reasons for the behavior... which allows control of
that behavior for those that know the why behind it...
And as to the why... long distance eye contact, from what I found when I
did the same thing a few weeks ago... seems to elict a "stalker" alert.
Man or woman... when someone is looking at you from a long distance
away... more than about 30 feet... your first response is wondering WHY
they are stareing at you. (because at that distance, the look can become
a stare way too easily)
Within about 10 or so feet, the same glance, because there's no second
chance for it, (sort of, anyways) becomes a glance... a fleeting moment.
And thus, as a fleeting glance, it is welcomed. Women seem to respond
this way even more so than men. Try it with women and with men. Men take
the longer distance contact as a challenge. Women, of course, avoid
challenge... thus their reaction to it. But, within that magic zone...
women respond to a glance more than men.. because a fleeting glance, I
guess... can lead to a fleeting romance.
Longer distance... creepy...
Shorter distance... mysterious...
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