Spike TV is dropping frames on DS9/TNG reruns

[Troy Heagy]

If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
cutting out footage:
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut

...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

[Keeper of the Purple Twilight]

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

[Joe Cool]

On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive. I'm not
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because of that. And
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

[Laura Ware]

Post by Joe Cool
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and
ruined the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive. I'm not
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because of that. And
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

I agree. I haven't bought ANY of the DVD sets, not because I don't want
them, but because I refuse to pop the horrible amounts of money required.

[Mac Breck]

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple

Twilight

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool

In article

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the

film "jumps" 2

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Troy Heagy
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're

just blatantly

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Troy Heagy
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39

minutes (and

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Troy Heagy
ruined the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too

expensive. I'm not

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because

of that. And

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is

because I have

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't

carried in my

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Joe Cool
area.

I agree. I haven't bought ANY of the DVD sets, not

because I don't want

Post by Laura Ware
them, but because I refuse to pop the horrible amounts of

money required.

If you're *not* buying the TNG and DS9 DVDs, and *are*
buying any of the VOY DVDs, you're going to hate yourself
after you watch the VOY DVDs. Hint: It's a WASTE.

I'm just trying to save you some money, and spare you the
anguish.

[Joe Cool]

Post by Mac Breck
If you're *not* buying the TNG and DS9 DVDs, and *are*
buying any of the VOY DVDs, you're going to hate yourself
after you watch the VOY DVDs. Hint: It's a WASTE.

IMHO, the main reason the VOY VDs could be considered a waste is the
ultra-cheap packaging.

As far as content, I was very pleased with season 1.

[Mac Breck]

On 4 May 2004 09:18:01 GMT, "Mac Breck"

Post by Mac Breck
If you're *not* buying the TNG and DS9 DVDs, and *are*
buying any of the VOY DVDs, you're going to hate yourself
after you watch the VOY DVDs. Hint: It's a WASTE.

IMHO, the main reason the VOY VDs could be considered a

waste is the

ultra-cheap packaging.

How about the $130 MSRP for a 16 episode first season
($8.12/ep.) of a show that was the worst Trek ever?

[Dmac]

Post by Mac Breck
a show that was the worst Trek ever?

I think we all agree that ENT was the worst Trek ever!
DMac

[Mac Breck]

Post by Dmac

Post by Mac Breck
a show that was the worst Trek ever?

I think we all agree that ENT was the worst Trek ever!

Oh no, Voyager gets that award, Enterprise is 2nd worst.

[Joe Cool]

Post by Joe Cool

On 4 May 2004 09:18:01 GMT, "Mac Breck"

Post by Mac Breck
If you're *not* buying the TNG and DS9 DVDs, and *are*
buying any of the VOY DVDs, you're going to hate yourself
after you watch the VOY DVDs. Hint: It's a WASTE.

IMHO, the main reason the VOY VDs could be considered a

waste is the

ultra-cheap packaging.

How about the $130 MSRP for a 16 episode first season
($8.12/ep.) of a show that was the worst Trek ever?

Oh yeah, the low episode count ticked me also.

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: "Mac Breck" ***@yahoo.com >>


<< > IMHO, the main reason the VOY VDs could be considered a
waste is the

Post by Joe Cool
ultra-cheap packaging.

How about the $130 MSRP for a 16 episode first season
($8.12/ep.) of a show that was the worst Trek ever? >>

Well, until Enteprise anyway.

[Chas Stokes]

Post by Laura Ware
I agree. I haven't bought ANY of the DVD sets, not because I don't want
them, but because I refuse to pop the horrible amounts of money required.

I do intend to own the DVD sets. BUT, I am either going to buy them
used (and in excellent condition as I am not crazy.) or as cheap as I
can get them on Ebay.

I am actually not as much into Trek as I used to be. I think they have
trekked me out with all the series of late. I am a HEAVY Stargate SG-1
fan and I am glad I got mine at like $43 a season and not $110!

Chas

[Troy Heagy]

Post by Chas Stokes

Post by Laura Ware
I agree. I haven't bought ANY of the DVD sets, not because I don't want
them, but because I refuse to pop the horrible amounts of money required.

I do intend to own the DVD sets. BUT, I am either going to buy them
used (and in excellent condition as I am not crazy.) or as cheap as I
can get them on Ebay.

I paid $700 for DS9, and I plan to keep it. ~80% of the episodes are
good. But not TNG... only about 25% of the episodes are worth
collecting, so I'll likely copy them to S-VHS and then sell them on
ebay.

Especially seasons 2 & 4. Man those sucked.

[Bob Flaminio]

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the supply
and demand curves again?

[Joe Cool]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the supply
and demand curves again?

They are only hurting the potential demand by pricing them almost
double to what comparable DVD sets cost. I don't care about the rules
of economics.

[Bob Flaminio]

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the
supply and demand curves again?

They are only hurting the potential demand by pricing them almost
double to what comparable DVD sets cost.

We all agree that Paramount are a bunch of greedy bastages, right? So if
lowering the cost would get them more money, don't you think they'd do
it? Lower prices might sell more discs, but will not necessarily
generate more revenue.

Post by Joe Cool
I don't care about the rules of economics.

That's why you can't afford Trek DVDs.

[Mac Breck]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too

expensive.

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Bob Flaminio
No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ

101 and the

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Bob Flaminio
supply and demand curves again?

They are only hurting the potential demand by pricing

them almost

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool
double to what comparable DVD sets cost.

We all agree that Paramount are a bunch of greedy

bastages, right? So if

Post by Bob Flaminio
lowering the cost would get them more money, don't you

think they'd do

Post by Bob Flaminio
it?

What, you've never known a business that shot themselves in
the foot?

Post by Bob Flaminio
Lower prices might sell more discs, but will not

necessarily

Post by Bob Flaminio
generate more revenue.

No kidding!<s>
--
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Post by Bob Flaminio
I don't care about the rules of economics.
That's why you can't afford Trek DVDs.
--
Bob

[Joe Cool]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the
supply and demand curves again?

They are only hurting the potential demand by pricing them almost
double to what comparable DVD sets cost.

We all agree that Paramount are a bunch of greedy bastages, right? So if
lowering the cost would get them more money, don't you think they'd do
it? Lower prices might sell more discs, but will not necessarily
generate more revenue.

Post by Joe Cool
I don't care about the rules of economics.

That's why you can't afford Trek DVDs.

Oh, I can afford them. I just refuse to pay their asking price.

[Laura Ware]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the
supply and demand curves again?

Ok, let me put it this way - they cost more money than I am personally
willing to shell out for them.

[T]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the supply
and demand curves again?

Yes because based on the cost of manufacturing they could increase
profit by selling more units if they lowered the purchase price.


TBerk

[Bob Flaminio]

Post by T

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the
supply and demand curves again?

Yes because based on the cost of manufacturing they could increase
profit by selling more units if they lowered the purchase price.

Not necessarily. Cost of manufacturing can decide whether or not to
actually sell something, but once it's been determined that your sale
price is greater than your cost, it really doesn't matter any more.
Indeed, the company may try to reduce cost while holding the sale price
constant in order to get more profit.

Let's take some simple numbers: Assume that the Trek box set costs $100,
and at that price Paramount sells 10,000 of them. This nets them a cool
million dollars. (Best said in a Dr Evil voice.) P* thinks, well we made
a lot at $100, we should make even more at $150! So they raise the price
to $150, but now they only sell 6,000 of them. The higher, the fewer, as
it were. At this price point, P* nets only $900,000, and their marketing
team is sacked. Now T steps up and says "why don't you lower the price
to sell more units and increase profit?" So P* lowers the price to $80,
and sure enough sell 12,000 units -- a 20% increase over their original
volume. But do the math -- this only nets P* $960,000 :-(. Sorry, T --
you just don't have the lobes for this kind of stuff. Get back to doing
the dishes.

So the price goes back to $100, and Paramount garners maximum profits.
Sure, Joe Cool won't be buying, but Paramount doesn't need Joe Cool's
money -- they've got plenty of other suckers^Wbuyers out there.

Yes, these are just made up numbers. I'm willing to wager that Paramount
spent a lot of time and money determining what the appropriate price
point is for Trek DVDs, but the math would be similar to what I've
described.

[fozzi bear]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by T

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the
supply and demand curves again?

Yes because based on the cost of manufacturing they could increase
profit by selling more units if they lowered the purchase price.

Not necessarily. Cost of manufacturing can decide whether or not to
actually sell something, but once it's been determined that your sale
price is greater than your cost, it really doesn't matter any more.

Complete nonsence, per unit manufacturing costs are always a variable
see below

Post by Bob Flaminio
Indeed, the company may try to reduce cost while holding the sale price
constant in order to get more profit.
Let's take some simple numbers: Assume that the Trek box set costs $100,
and at that price Paramount sells 10,000 of them. This nets them a cool
million dollars. (Best said in a Dr Evil voice.) P* thinks, well we made
a lot at $100, we should make even more at $150! So they raise the price
to $150, but now they only sell 6,000 of them. The higher, the fewer, as
it were. At this price point, P* nets only $900,000, and their marketing
team is sacked. Now T steps up and says "why don't you lower the price
to sell more units and increase profit?" So P* lowers the price to $80,
and sure enough sell 12,000 units -- a 20% increase over their original
volume. But do the math -- this only nets P* $960,000 :-(. Sorry, T --
you just don't have the lobes for this kind of stuff. Get back to doing
the dishes.

Um, it takes a little away from your point when you are confusing
gross return ((sales unit volume)*(sales price)) with net return
(gross return - costs).

The second problem with your rationale is that you have completely
missed his point, i.e. lower price = higher sales unit volume,
higher sales unit volume = larger potential manufactured volume,
larger manufactured volume = (usually) lower per unit manufacturing
cost, lower per unit manufacturing cost = higher per unit return
(up to the limit of market saturation)


IOW "T" doesnt need to go back to doing the dishes, with
economics like yours it wont be long till he is employing you
to do them for him.

Cheers
Fozzi

Post by Bob Flaminio
So the price goes back to $100, and Paramount garners maximum profits.
Sure, Joe Cool won't be buying, but Paramount doesn't need Joe Cool's
money -- they've got plenty of other suckers^Wbuyers out there.
Yes, these are just made up numbers. I'm willing to wager that Paramount
spent a lot of time and money determining what the appropriate price
point is for Trek DVDs, but the math would be similar to what I've
described.
--
Bob

[Bob Flaminio]

Post by fozzi bear
Um, it takes a little away from your point when you are confusing
gross return ((sales unit volume)*(sales price)) with net return
(gross return - costs).

For simplification, I was ignoring costs. More below...

Post by fozzi bear
The second problem with your rationale is that you have completely
missed his point, i.e. lower price = higher sales unit volume,
higher sales unit volume = larger potential manufactured volume,
larger manufactured volume = (usually) lower per unit manufacturing
cost, lower per unit manufacturing cost = higher per unit return
(up to the limit of market saturation)

While you are correct, I don't think this necessarily applies to DVDs.
DVDs are sufficiently cheap to manufacture in quantity that their cost
is negligible. The real costs of a DVD set is in the licensing, and this
cost will probably not decrease with quantity, as it's usually a
per-disc fee, or perhaps a one-time upfront fee. Licensing issues are
why there will most likely never be a Miami Vice season set -- it is
just too cost prohibitive to obtain the licenses for all of the pop
songs used in the series.

Post by fozzi bear
IOW "T" doesnt need to go back to doing the dishes, with
economics like yours it wont be long till he is employing you
to do them for him.

I was simplifying the math to make the point. Even if you plug in all
the additional variables, you still run into basic Adam-Smithian supply
and demand. There's a price that will garner maximum profit, and that's
what they should be sold at. I don't know what that price is, but I
assume that Paramount does, and that's why Star Trek discs cost as much
as they do.

I'm not ready yet to do T's dishes, especially if he insists on making
lasagna.

[fozzi bear]

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Bob Flaminio
I'm not ready yet to do T's dishes, especially if he insists on making

lasagna.
--
Bob

LOL

Good answer

Cheers
Fozzi

[Wallis]

I proudly spent my money on the TNG DVD set, the DS9 DVD set, and am working
on VOY next. Sure, it's $700.00 per series, but it is well worth it. Sure,
u can watch TNG or DS9 on Spike, but you don't get Dolby Surround, you don't
get a crystal clear picture, cool extras, or interviews! Save up, go out
and buy them ALL!

-Captain David J. Wallis, USS Macbeth

Post by Bob Flaminio

Post by Joe Cool

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight
Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive.

No, they're not. Do we really need to go through Econ 101 and the supply
and demand curves again?
--
Bob

[Greg]

Post by Joe Cool
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive. I'm not
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because of that. And
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

Exactly. Stargate SG1, for example, can be bought for half or one third
the price of Trek
Same reason I didn't buy the x-files sets, other than a couple I got
from a guy desperate for money who sold me 3 sets for less total than
the new price of 1 set, I'll be ebaying those for a profit one of these
days.

[Bootstrap Bill]

Post by Greg

Post by Joe Cool
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive. I'm not
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because of that. And
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

Exactly. Stargate SG1, for example, can be bought for half or one third
the price of Trek
Same reason I didn't buy the x-files sets, other than a couple I got
from a guy desperate for money who sold me 3 sets for less total than
the new price of 1 set, I'll be ebaying those for a profit one of these
days.

Rent them and copy the DVD's

[Troy Heagy]

"Bootstrap Bill"

Post by Bootstrap Bill
Rent them and copy the DVD's

How do you copy protected DVDs? Also wouldn't the cost of
rental+tapes be ~equal to just buying the $100 Paramount set?



re: Selling DVDs on ebay. The key is to keep your DVDs in perfect
condition, and then sell them as "condition:new". You'll recover ~90%
of your cost. - Else, if you sell them as used you'll only get 30%.

Troy

[Christoph *Grisu* Binder]

[followup-to set to rec.arts.startrek.current]

Post by Troy Heagy
"Bootstrap Bill"

Post by Bootstrap Bill
Rent them and copy the DVD's

How do you copy protected DVDs?

You're joking, aren't you?

Post by Troy Heagy
Also wouldn't the cost of
rental+tapes be ~equal to just buying the $100 Paramount set?

Maybe the cost, but not the amount of space. A whole season taped on
VHS - 5 (E240) episodes per tape - use more than twice the space. If
you recorded using LP instead of SP you get worse quality than TV-
broadcasts and far worse than DVD and use a little bit more space
than the DVD box.
Maybe you think that the amount of space used by a medium is not
important, but it get's more important with each one.
I've got 351 records in my DVD database - all purchased, none copied.
But records are not DVDs - not in my case. Bonus DVDs, multi disc
editions, TV show seasons are all only one record. One Star Trek
season is one record. So there are more discs than records - I'd
guess I've got more than 450 discs.
I think you are able to see that the space issue is getting a major
concern for me.

Another issue: are there specials on the (rental) tapes?
And IIRC the tapes don't include other language tracks. (My wife does
watch them in the original English version, but she prefers them in
the German dubbed one)

BTW at the moment a Star Trek season is about 100 EUR, and the way
exchange rates are at the moment thats about 121 USD.

Grisu

[Troy Heagy]

"Christoph *Grisu* Binder"

Post by Christoph *Grisu* Binder

Post by Troy Heagy
How do you copy protected DVDs?

You're joking, aren't you?

I would not have asked if I already knew. I've tried copying DVDs but
the macrovision scrambles the signal.

Post by Christoph *Grisu* Binder

Post by Troy Heagy
Also wouldn't the cost of
rental+tapes be ~equal to just buying the $100 Paramount set?

Maybe the cost, but not the amount of space. A whole season taped on
VHS - 5 (E240) episodes per tape - use more than twice the space. If
you recorded using LP instead of SP you get worse quality than TV-
broadcasts and far worse than DVD and use a little bit more space
than the DVD box.
Maybe you think that the amount of space used by a medium is not
important, but it get's more important with each one.

Strawman argument. I never said anything about whether VHS or DVD is
more space-saving. Stop putting words in my mouth.

But now I will: DVDs stored in a CaseLogic notebook are far more
compact.

[GeneK]

Post by Troy Heagy
I would not have asked if I already knew. I've tried copying DVDs but
the macrovision scrambles the signal.

You must not be on the right spam lists. I get at least 2 or 3 emails
every day offering to sell me SW to defeat DVD copy protection.
No idea if any of it actually works.

GeneK

[Christoph *Grisu* Binder]

[followup-to set to rec.arts.startrek.current]

Post by GeneK
You must not be on the right spam lists. I get at least 2 or 3
emails every day offering to sell me SW to defeat DVD copy
protection. No idea if any of it actually works.

You are a lucky guy. I've never received spam that was a little bit of
interest to me (like for useful software).
My spam consists of offerings for 'Penis enlargement', Viagra, Loans
from an US lender (I'm no US citizen and don't have an account with an
US bank, so why do the bother me with this) ... or do you get this spam
as well ;-)

Grisu

[Elvis Gump]

Post by Troy Heagy
"Christoph *Grisu* Binder"

Post by Christoph *Grisu* Binder

Post by Troy Heagy
How do you copy protected DVDs?

You're joking, aren't you?

I would not have asked if I already knew. I've tried copying DVDs but
the macrovision scrambles the signal.

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/darktips/story/0,24330,3605537,00.html

[Christoph *Grisu* Binder]

[followup-to set to rec.arts.startrek.current]

In article news:***@posting.google.com,
***@yahoo.com (Troy Heagy) wrote:

[snip]

Post by Troy Heagy
I would not have asked if I already knew. I've tried copying DVDs
but the macrovision scrambles the signal.

You're shure you don't want to make fun of me?
You tried to make an anlog copy?
Why?

Of course it is possible, and even more legal than the digital one,
but the quality decreases.

For digital copies of DVDs see http://www.videohelp.com/ especially
the section DVD Backup.
For beginners I would recommend DVD Shrink, but there is better
Software like Instant Copy.
But this is all highly illegal, especially in the US ... so I've said
nothing at all, you didn't get this hints from me, you don't know me
... I don't even exist.
(I hope the content industry doesn't read this newsgroup)

Post by Troy Heagy

Post by Christoph *Grisu* Binder
Maybe you think that the amount of space used by a medium is not
important, but it get's more important with each one.

Strawman argument. I never said anything about whether VHS or DVD
is more space-saving. Stop putting words in my mouth.

You didn't, you're right, that was a rhetorical construct. I
sometimes use it to give a reply to an argument that has not even be
stated now, but could be later or to put an emphasis on one of my
arguments (like in this case), to repeat somehting I've already said
in other words and resume it.
The 'You' is a more general form, and in my native language used for
what in English usually would be 'one'
But I've now looked it up at dict.leo.org and it clearly states the
for the German 'man' (indefinite pronoun) 'you' is a valid English
word.
So don't get overexcited, I didn't really refer to you.

Post by Troy Heagy
But now I will: DVDs stored in a CaseLogic notebook are far more
compact.

I presume that CaseLogic is a hardware vendor?
To the best of my knowledge this vendor isn't present in Austria or
German speaking Middle Europe. So I substitute IBM/Acer/HP/Dell/...
for it.
You're right - again. But I wouldn't lend a notebook to a co-worker,
a good friend or even my brother (ok, maybe my brother but only in
case of an emergency), but I do lend them DVDs.
Maybe I would lend a notebook to the said people, I've lent a 160GB
external HD to a co-worker for a week so he could backup his data and
re-install his OS.
But in general your argument isn't really valid. It's like comparing
one book to the library.
We have a saying (this is a free translation): Not all that limps is
an analogy.

Grisu

[Rich Wertz]

I rent them at my library and do just that. I even managed to scan the
covers and am working on a less flimsy box to hold all of them!!

Good grief, nobody should have to pay $100 or more for the DVDs. The extras
aren't really that great, and to top it all off, on the TNG season 1,
Encounter at Farpoint was split into two episodes. I want the original
premier episode, like DS9 and Voyager has on its DVD release.

Post by Bootstrap Bill

Post by Greg

Post by Joe Cool
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive. I'm not
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because of that. And
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

Exactly. Stargate SG1, for example, can be bought for half or one third
the price of Trek
Same reason I didn't buy the x-files sets, other than a couple I got
from a guy desperate for money who sold me 3 sets for less total than
the new price of 1 set, I'll be ebaying those for a profit one of these
days.

Rent them and copy the DVD's

[Christoph *Grisu* Binder]

[followup-to set to

Post by Greg
Exactly. Stargate SG1, for example, can be bought for half or one
third the price of Trek

[snipped]

Not in Europe (RC2, incl. German track), 2/3 but not 1/2 or even 1/3.
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00018GW9E/qid=1083699426/sr=1-
4/ref=sr_1_11_4/028-0474336-5080514

or you could purchase the single disc editions (4 episode per disc no
box) at 1/3 the price of a whole season and 1/5 the price of a TNG
season
EUR 24,99
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001MQHNG/qid=1083699426/sr=1-
2/ref=sr_1_11_2/028-0474336-5080514

Greetings
Grisu

[Mike Harrison]

Post by Joe Cool
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:39:30 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Keeper of the Purple Twilight

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

Who needs reruns when we've got the DVDs? :)

Problem is, Paramont prices their ST DVD far too expensive. I'm not
even bothering to buy ST:TNG or ST:DS9 DVDs just because of that. And
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

Voyager Season 1 was ridiculously priced at $118.99 CDN, and season 1
was only 16 episodes! I will never buy a season set of Star Trek as
long as they insist on overpricing them.

[Immortus45]

***@home.net (Joe Cool) wrote in message >


. And

Post by Joe Cool
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

I'd suggest renting them before you decide if you want to buy them.

[Laura Ware]

Post by Immortus45
. And

Post by Joe Cool
the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my
area.

I'd suggest renting them before you decide if you want to buy them.

Assuming a rental place carries them.

[Elvis Gump]

Post by Laura Ware

Post by Immortus45

And the only reason I am buying some of the ST:VOY DVDs is because I have
never seen the first five or so seasons since UPN isn't carried in my area.

I'd suggest renting them before you decide if you want to buy them.

Assuming a rental place carries them.

My Blockbuster doesn't rent them nor does any other rental store around that
I've seen. I think they must be tagged for retail only in my locale.

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Immortus45
I'd suggest renting them before you decide if you want to buy them.

My Blockbuster doesn't rent them nor does any other rental store around that
I've seen. I think they must be tagged for retail only in my locale.

Netflix is your friend. It doesn't take too many series collections like
this to more than pay for your subscription. *

P.S. NOTE: I am not talking about copying them! and I'm not winking!

[Elvis Gump]

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Immortus45
I'd suggest renting them before you decide if you want to buy them.

My Blockbuster doesn't rent them nor does any other rental store around that
I've seen. I think they must be tagged for retail only in my locale.

Netflix is your friend. It doesn't take too many series collections like
this to more than pay for your subscription. *
P.S. NOTE: I am not talking about copying them! and I'm not winking!

You know, I'd like to do that but man, it seems like so much trouble.

I used to do that with VHS tapes having an old 1989 vintage Sony VCR now
dead that seemed to laugh at Macrovision. I have a friend that built himself
a PC to do it with DVD but settling for splitting a movie in two pieces or
recompressing it to fit on a DVD-R is just too much trouble.

I've already got good enough copies of everything classic I always wanted of
film on VHS and slowly building a DVD collection of things at the lowest
price I can find.

I sort of hate Paramount for making the Trek stuff some sort of collectable
specialty priced monstrosity but what the hell it's their world I'm just
eking out a living in it.

I'm not really interested in DS9 or VOY so much that I can't wait to see
them on TV and I've seen TNG stuff so many times I can just as soon wait
till it comes out on the next generation TV hi-def whatchamacallit whenever
it inevitably arrives.

I guess my mania to have all that stuff or whatever has ebbed the older I've
gotten. I was crazy for Napster only a few years ago but even if there
wasn't all the fear of getting sued or buying and iPod and learning to use
it I'm finding I care less and less about music altogether. Unless I put the
stuff I already have in the old DVD player, hit shuffle and crank it up I
don't listen to half of what I already have.

I dig around in my VHS archives and wonder when was the last time I pulled
something I put my hand on and watched it? Five years? Ten? The old copy of
The Last TNG AGT on the same tape as The Last Arsino Hall Show. It's got a
fine layer of dust on it.

Damn and I put so much effort into the accumulation of all this stuff and I
can't remember why anymore.

I think it's called middle-age. But at least I'm not wearing some damned
tribble on my head that looks like it drowned.

But more power to ya. Bring your copies over and I'll make some popcorn!

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)
P.S. NOTE: I am not talking about copying them! and I'm not winking!

You know, I'd like to do that but man, it seems like so much trouble.

Based on the rest of the message, you failed to understand the NOTE above.
I'm proposing netflix if you want to enjoy the shows uncut and at high
quality. Go and download them someplace if you want to pirate copies, but
don't mess with netflix - I don't want to see the service destroyed by the
MPAA because some dorks think it's OK to copy the DVDs. *

[Elvis Gump]

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)
P.S. NOTE: I am not talking about copying them! and I'm not winking!

You know, I'd like to do that but man, it seems like so much trouble.

Based on the rest of the message, you failed to understand the NOTE above.
I'm proposing netflix if you want to enjoy the shows uncut and at high
quality. Go and download them someplace if you want to pirate copies, but
don't mess with netflix - I don't want to see the service destroyed by the
MPAA because some dorks think it's OK to copy the DVDs. *

My aren't you dancing the head of a pin there Mr. Morals.

Oh yeah, I did misread it I guess. Let me get this straight; okay to
download, not okay to copy DVDs? Destroy Netflix? Baahahahaha!

Well, I'll tell you NOTHING is gonna destroy Netflix except one of the
bigger competitors gobbling it up like a Wal-Mart or Blockbuster.

As to copying films, well I never put a dent in anyone's bottom line because
rarely if ever could I have afforded to buy a full copy of a film back in
those bad old days when a VHS ran like $29 a pop. Fuck them and their
self-righteousness but they priced me out of their market. "Sorry, no movie
for you." Well we'll see about that. Enter the internet age and millions
said level the playing field muthafucker!

What kind of rage and glee was there with Napster and Kazza and all? Fuck
those bastards; oh feel the sting you muthafuckers as you have to cut back a
can or two on caviar! The payback was savage and amused me. The guys running
it on easy street where all overdue for a few ulcers.

I didn't care to go download crazy myself, I was long beyond caring enough
and besides most of my friends and I had swapped music on cassettes and CDs
for so long before I have more stuff than I even care to listen to anymore.
Christ my radio is parked on NPR and I'm not sure the tape or CD works
anymore.

As to movies I wasn't making multiple bootlegs and passing them around ad
infinitum, they were just for me; a copy less than the original in quality
and I did pay the video store to rent it. I used to fish discarded VHS tapes
out of the recycle bin at a TV station to make my copies on.

But I also bought stuff I cared about. A lot of those things I've bought
more than once, a Betamax copy of an old Monty Python film sits up in a box
somewhere upstairs while the new copy on DVD is down in my shelf here, just
like many other titles so duplicately STORE purchased.

I fell like the copyright Nazis are shrill and disingenuous at best. They
know only a fraction of the people out there can ever buy what they are
selling and they cry like titty babies when they talk about something like
say Chinese bootleggers. These arguments never hold water. Hell my whole DVD
collection from the last two years is worth more retail than nine out of ten
Chinese or other poor people see in a year. The criminal duplicators are
their philosophical cousins, not their enemy.

Then they take a different tack and cry about all the little people that
work in the industry that you are hurting when those little people, hell I
was one of them once, know all to well how much their hearts weep as they
drive their SUVs across picket lines sipping lattés...

Me, there's absolutely nothing that I'm moved to download on line. There's
rarely a new movie I want to buy much less download. TV? You gotta be
shitting me. There's still ENT's I haven't seen and don't loose sleep over.

Archer killed that whole planet or some such last year in one of the
episodes? Never saw it. Read about it a lot here and to tell ya the truth
that was probably more interesting than seeing the show itself given the
ones I HAVE seen...

Reviews by posters such as Big Steve, Laura Ware, Al Smith, Wickeddoll,
Bozo, Dale - shit I can't keep track of them all and the endless threads
they and others spin here are more interesting than the shows most weeks.

I'm way past through collecting a lot of this stuff. When new Trek DVDs come
out in my locale they never go on rental, on the sale rack. The reason is
they would NEVER sell if they were.

The saturation level is too high.

I only have two TOS-movie DVDs, TWoK and TVH. All others I would only rent
at best. I still haven't seen the TMP DVD over at my Blockbuster cause at $4
a week it's still too expensive. I've got three versions of it on VHS and an
old store bought Betamax copy that hasn't been played in over 15 years I'm
certain.

So maybe all that's more than you want to know. But you wave your little
self-righteous finger at me and shrill that you aren't winking and I say
blow it out your ass.

But I mean that in only the best way.

Hey, one day you'll be old and cranky too.

[Iain Odlin]

[*MUCH* deletion]

You know, they do make decaffeinated brands that are just as tasty as the real
thing...

-Iain

[fruitbat]

Post by Elvis Gump
My aren't you dancing the head of a pin there Mr. Morals.
Oh yeah, I did misread it I guess. Let me get this straight; okay to
download, not okay to copy DVDs? Destroy Netflix? Baahahahaha!

You seem to have missed Paul's point.

Post by Elvis Gump
As to copying films, well I never put a dent in anyone's bottom line because
rarely if ever could I have afforded to buy a full copy of a film back in
those bad old days when a VHS ran like $29 a pop. Fuck them and their
self-righteousness but they priced me out of their market. "Sorry, no movie
for you." Well we'll see about that. Enter the internet age and millions
said level the playing field muthafucker!

"I can't afford something, but I have a right to own it, so I'm just
going to steal it instead." I love how so many people think that sort
of logic makes sense these days. If you're going to pirate stuff, just
admit that you don't care about the rules and move on. Don't bother
trying to justify it, because none of it really holds up.

Jeff

[Elvis Gump]

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump
My aren't you dancing the head of a pin there Mr. Morals.
Oh yeah, I did misread it I guess. Let me get this straight; okay to
download, not okay to copy DVDs? Destroy Netflix? Baahahahaha!

You seem to have missed Paul's point.

No, if he wears a hat no one will notice his point.

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump
As to copying films, well I never put a dent in anyone's bottom line because
rarely if ever could I have afforded to buy a full copy of a film back in
those bad old days when a VHS ran like $29 a pop. Fuck them and their
self-righteousness but they priced me out of their market. "Sorry, no movie
for you." Well we'll see about that. Enter the internet age and millions
said level the playing field muthafucker!

"I can't afford something, but I have a right to own it, so I'm just
going to steal it instead." I love how so many people think that sort
of logic makes sense these days.

Like our President in the United States? Think we went to Iraq for liberty
and freedom and democracy? Put this hood on and bend over!

(yeah I know, once you bring up Hitler or Bush you've lost the argument.)

["Madge, would you please report to the cell block? We need you to point and
smirk at another guys pee-pee for the camera hon."]

Post by fruitbat
If you're going to pirate stuff, just admit that you don't care about the
rules and move on.

Arrrgggh matey, I'm raisin' the Jolly Roger and trimming the jib!

Post by fruitbat
Don't bother trying to justify it, because none of it really holds up.
Jeff

Record companies and movie studios have consistently priced the fuck out of
tapes and CDs.

Some stuff we will pay those prices for.
You know how many copies of the friggin' White Album I bought and paid for?

It was fair use to tape something once upon a time if it was off TV, pray to
gawd you set the VCR right though or you were shit out of luck. Bahahahaha.

But you can buy a transcript for $29.99.
The DVD box set of the entire season will be along shortly for $99.99.

And you can count on those DVDs to last forever and ever and ever*!
What a bargain!

[*manufacturers disclaimer: forever and ever and ever is defined as long as
the glue holding the layers of said DVD holds out which might not be long
owing to the increasing low standards we set for manufacturing as we cut
corners to save a buck or two. That's the pirates fault as well]

Now in the cable and satellite age I'm forced to pay for the shopping
channels and jesus channels and ESPN channels and all sorts of fuckall
channels I don't watch to get Spike to watch Trek. {that's the package
can't break up the package}

I guess I'm just not working hard enough to afford all this stuff. I don't
think anyone is. Some are just entitled to it because they have enough
lawyers to prove it.

I want to smash down your front door and storm your place with my pirates
matey, arrrgghh! (don't worry, we'll fix the front door after we leave) and
poke through every tape and CD and hard drive you have and see what you have
that you are entitled to have to "legally" have.

I mean you sound so righteous you and the monkey have nuthin' to hide cause
you haven't ever put one foot wrong, right?

[fruitbat]

Post by Elvis Gump
I want to smash down your front door and storm your place with my
pirates matey, arrrgghh! (don't worry, we'll fix the front door after
we leave) and poke through every tape and CD and hard drive you have
and see what you have that you are entitled to have to "legally" have.
I mean you sound so righteous you and the monkey have nuthin' to hide
cause you haven't ever put one foot wrong, right?

Go back and re-read my message, and note that I didn't claim that I've
never in my life downloaded anything illegally. I just said your logic
was stupid.

Jeff

[Elvis Gump]

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump
I want to smash down your front door and storm your place with my
pirates matey, arrrgghh! (don't worry, we'll fix the front door after
we leave) and poke through every tape and CD and hard drive you have
and see what you have that you are entitled to have to "legally" have.
I mean you sound so righteous you and the monkey have nuthin' to hide
cause you haven't ever put one foot wrong, right?

Go back and re-read my message, and note that I didn't claim that I've
never in my life downloaded anything illegally.

Ah---HA! Pot! Kettle! BLACK!

Post by fruitbat
I just said your logic was stupid.
Jeff

My logic was stupid?

Son, you better leave logic to fellers with pointy ears.

[fruitbat]

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by fruitbat
Go back and re-read my message, and note that I didn't claim that
I've never in my life downloaded anything illegally.

Ah---HA! Pot! Kettle! BLACK!

I know you're not as dense as you're pretending to be.

Jeff

[Elvis Gump]

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by fruitbat
Go back and re-read my message, and note that I didn't claim that
I've never in my life downloaded anything illegally.

Ah---HA! Pot! Kettle! BLACK!

I know you're not as dense as you're pretending to be.
Jeff

Can't sneak nuthin' past you!

[fruitbat]

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by fruitbat
Go back and re-read my message, and note that I didn't claim that
I've never in my life downloaded anything illegally.

Ah---HA! Pot! Kettle! BLACK!

I know you're not as dense as you're pretending to be.

Can't sneak nuthin' past you!

Then what enjoyment do you get from making specious arguments and
baseless accusations? Not that it hasn't been entertaining...

Jeff

[Elvis Gump]

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by fruitbat

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by fruitbat
Go back and re-read my message, and note that I didn't claim that
I've never in my life downloaded anything illegally.

Ah---HA! Pot! Kettle! BLACK!

I know you're not as dense as you're pretending to be.

Can't sneak nuthin' past you!

Then what enjoyment do you get from making specious arguments and
baseless accusations? Not that it hasn't been entertaining...
Jeff

Oh, I just like tweaking the self-righteous. It's the romantic in me.

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Elvis Gump
I want to smash down your front door and storm your place with my pirates
matey, arrrgghh! (don't worry, we'll fix the front door after we leave) and
poke through every tape and CD and hard drive you have and see what you have
that you are entitled to have to "legally" have.

Incidentally, I'd pass the search. Of course, Nobody is saying that such
thing is justified, you're just beating your sunken pimply chest. Booga
booga!

Post by Elvis Gump
I mean you sound so righteous you and the monkey have nuthin' to hide cause
you haven't ever put one foot wrong, right?

Enter piracy excuse #1e+06, "it's a social protest". Keep it up, you're
getting so lame you're nearing the lameness event horizon. *

[Elvis Gump]

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
I want to smash down your front door and storm your place with my pirates
matey, arrrgghh! (don't worry, we'll fix the front door after we leave) and
poke through every tape and CD and hard drive you have and see what you have
that you are entitled to have to "legally" have.

Incidentally, I'd pass the search.

Would you now? Hmm. Have a receipt for all this stuff? How do we know it's
not stolen?

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)
Of course, Nobody is saying that such thing is justified, you're just beating
your sunken pimply chest. Booga booga!

Yeah, you have nothing to hide? Likely story, in fact quite suspect. Let's
have a look around anyway, here's my imaginary warrant. Let's audit your
records. I'm sure there must be something wrong someplace. Mistakes are no
excuse in the new world order. Oh and don't you EVER make animal noises to a
duly authorized agent of the state of delusion again. Okay boys, bust up
some stuff so he gets the message.

The DMCA is another one of these inane ideas that 'honest' people have
nothing to hide and nothing to fear. When there's money to be made these
'honest' people become increasingly hypothetical.

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
I mean you sound so righteous you and the monkey have nuthin' to hide cause
you haven't ever put one foot wrong, right?

Enter piracy excuse #1e+06, "it's a social protest". Keep it up, you're
getting so lame you're nearing the lameness event horizon. *

Fine. Collect those special limited exclusive collectors editions to your
hearts content at full retail.

Do a little reading too while your at it about how over in fun lovin' sunny
Iraq they've given all our fightin' boys [and gals] a free pass on file
swappin' this last year. Hell, it's only right that they get to download as
much as they want for tomorrow they may die.

Well, that was until this last week when Halliburton pulled the plug on
soldiers internet use for 90 days [or indefinitely; whichever comes first]
probably to plug the holes so more pictures of naked twister don't leak out.

"Lameness horizon". That was a good one Centurion!

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)
Incidentally, I'd pass the search.

Would you now? Hmm. Have a receipt for all this stuff? How do we know it's
not stolen?

Now you're just being stupid.

Post by Elvis Gump
Yeah, you have nothing to hide? Likely story, in fact quite suspect. Let's
have a look around anyway, here's my imaginary warrant. Let's audit your

You have so far veered off the point that I'm just going to give up and
killfile you now. Loser. *

[Elvis Gump]

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)
Incidentally, I'd pass the search.

Would you now? Hmm. Have a receipt for all this stuff? How do we know it's
not stolen?

Now you're just being stupid.

I guess he's lived that sheltered life where he's never met some
self-righteous prick with a badge before.

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
Yeah, you have nothing to hide? Likely story, in fact quite suspect. Let's
have a look around anyway, here's my imaginary warrant. Let's audit your

You have so far veered off the point that I'm just going to give up and
killfile you now. Loser. *

Well, thank bog! What's a guy got to do to get killfiled by him.

Here's the thing though folks, whenever your Fearless Leaders tell you that
new Big Brother rules shouldn't worry honest people who have nothing to hide
it should scare you.

This is the first goose-step down the road to very bad things.

[Podkayne Fries]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:28:02 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump
Do a little reading too while your at it about how over in fun lovin' sunny
Iraq they've given all our fightin' boys [and gals] a free pass on file
swappin' this last year. Hell, it's only right that they get to download as
much as they want for tomorrow they may die.

In the limited amount of time that a GI has on a DoD computer, the
chance that they're file sharing is low. They're all emailing their
moms and sweethearts and probably downloading dirty pictures.

Post by Elvis Gump
Well, that was until this last week when Halliburton pulled the plug on
soldiers internet use for 90 days [or indefinitely; whichever comes first]
probably to plug the holes so more pictures of naked twister don't leak out.

Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

[Elvis Gump]

Post by Podkayne Fries
On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:28:02 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump
Do a little reading too while your at it about how over in fun lovin' sunny
Iraq they've given all our fightin' boys [and gals] a free pass on file
swappin' this last year. Hell, it's only right that they get to download as
much as they want for tomorrow they may die.

In the limited amount of time that a GI has on a DoD computer, the
chance that they're file sharing is low. They're all emailing their
moms and sweethearts and probably downloading dirty pictures.

Oh I'm sure they do write dear old mom, jerk off to porn and a IM their
sweet hearts but they ain't doing it on DoD computers.

When it comes to meals and housing and portapotties to shit in are you
really so dumb that it doesn't occur to you who provides our brave fighting
boys [and gals] with net access? Can you say hefty government contract?

Post by Podkayne Fries

Post by Elvis Gump
Well, that was until this last week when Halliburton pulled the plug on
soldiers internet use for 90 days [or indefinitely; whichever comes first]
probably to plug the holes so more pictures of naked twister don't leak out.

Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

My Sajak I'd like to buy this guy a clue even though he could throw a brick
and hit one.

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&q=file+
sharing+troops+iraq+mp3&spell=1

[Podkayne Fries]

On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:06 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Podkayne Fries
Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

My Sajak I'd like to buy this guy a clue even though he could throw a brick
and hit one.
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&q=file+
sharing+troops+iraq+mp3&spell=1

Explain how the RIAA would attempt to sue someone who's 8,000 miles
away and protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Act.

If Halliburton has shut off soldiers' access to the Internet, please
explain how I'm getting email from my son that points back to an IP
allocated to the DoD in Iraq.

[Elvis Gump]

Post by Podkayne Fries
On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:06 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Podkayne Fries
Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

My Sajak I'd like to buy this guy a clue even though he could throw a brick
and hit one.
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&q=file+
sharing+troops+iraq+mp3&spell=1

Explain how the RIAA would attempt to sue someone who's 8,000 miles
away and protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Act.

I dunno, seems like a double standard to me.

Post by Podkayne Fries
If Halliburton has shut off soldiers' access to the Internet, please
explain how I'm getting email from my son that points back to an IP
allocated to the DoD in Iraq.

I'm sure it goes through some firewall for the defense department so they
can scan everything for no-nos of protocol.

I haven't kept up on the story this week but the AP ran a story around
Sunday or Monday that Halliburton was cutting off all email access for 90
days, I suspect to stem any further embarrassing pictures being released
related to the prison abuse thing.

With all the MP3 players and the like I don't know how they could snoop on
it all but I'm sure there must be some Nerd Special Forces that do that
stuff.

[Podkayne Fries]

On Fri, 14 May 2004 17:42:42 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Podkayne Fries
Explain how the RIAA would attempt to sue someone who's 8,000 miles
away and protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Act.

I dunno, seems like a double standard to me.

IOW, you don't know or understand anything about the process involved
in filing suit against someone deployed on a different continent than
the plaintiff.

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Podkayne Fries
If Halliburton has shut off soldiers' access to the Internet, please
explain how I'm getting email from my son that points back to an IP
allocated to the DoD in Iraq.

I'm sure it goes through some firewall for the defense department so they
can scan everything for no-nos of protocol.

Odds are that it does. Your point? My son has been in the service
for six years and our emails and snail mail have never been censored.
Regardless of where he was deployed, his email came from DoD IP sets.

Post by Elvis Gump
I haven't kept up on the story this week but the AP ran a story around
Sunday or Monday that Halliburton was cutting off all email access for 90
days, I suspect to stem any further embarrassing pictures being released
related to the prison abuse thing.

The stories online say that Halliburton is going to cut off their
employees' and mercenaries' access. The only story I read about the
possibility of cutting off access for the troops came from someone's
blog. No one is going to cut off the GIs' access - both the troops
and their families would be up in arms and descend upon the brass like
the Wrath of God.

Post by Elvis Gump
With all the MP3 players and the like I don't know how they could snoop on
it all but I'm sure there must be some Nerd Special Forces that do that
stuff.

<rolling eyes> I'm guessing that you've never read a blog written by
a GI, or read anything in the military groups?

Here's a little hint, Sparky: consider the source when you read
anything on the Web. If you need help with the big words, seek out a
sixth grader and ask for assistance.

[P. Burrows]

In article <***@news.individual.net>, ***@fairfieldi.com
says...

Post by Podkayne Fries
On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:06 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Podkayne Fries
Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

My Sajak I'd like to buy this guy a clue even though he could throw a brick
and hit one.
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&q=file+
sharing+troops+iraq+mp3&spell=1

Explain how the RIAA would attempt to sue someone who's 8,000 miles
away and protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Act.

They'll just call their friends in the white house who'll make sure the
people are punished. Remember filesharing IS terrorism.

[The Babaloughesian]

Post by P. Burrows
says...

Post by Podkayne Fries
On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:06 -0500, Elvis Gump

Post by Elvis Gump

Post by Podkayne Fries
Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

My Sajak I'd like to buy this guy a clue even though he could throw a brick
and hit one.

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&q=file

+

Post by P. Burrows

Post by Podkayne Fries

Post by Elvis Gump
sharing+troops+iraq+mp3&spell=1

Explain how the RIAA would attempt to sue someone who's 8,000 miles
away and protected by the Soldiers and Sailors Act.

They'll just call their friends in the white house who'll make sure the
people are punished. Remember filesharing IS terrorism.

Cool. I'd like to do one of those commercials where I can take credit for
having had a family lined up against a wall and shot. Anybody remember how
that one went? I think it was an anti-drug commercial. "This is the joint
that Jack bought. This is the dealer he bought it from... yada yada yada...
This is the family that was lined up and shot." Hilarious stuff. I think
it went kind of like that, but I don't remember the exact details.

[Elvis Gump]

Post by Podkayne Fries
Feel free to post URLs to reports that will back up your claims. I
certainly couldn't be reading Usenet posts and blog updates that
originate from DoD IPs in the Middle East, right? I must be imagining
this.

Took me a minute to remember where I filed this one.
"Our sources was the New York Times."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/arts/music/13TROO.html?ex=1084593600&en=fd
58f9b5e4925346&ei=5070

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: pv+***@pobox.com (Paul Vader) >>


<< Enter piracy excuse #1e+06, "it's a social protest". Keep it up, you're
getting so lame you're nearing the lameness event horizon >>

LOL

and suddenly we're swinging into the Stargate time dialation thread . . .

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: Elvis Gump ***@NOhotmailSPAM.com >>


<< I fell like the copyright Nazis are shrill and disingenuous at best. >>

So you think it's okay to steal anything you feel is priced too high?
Obviously this applies to cars? "Hey, the mark-up on that 'vette is too much,
and I'd never buy one anyway, so it's fine to steal it"

<< how much their hearts weep as they
drive their SUVs across picket lines >>

Good for them.

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Elvis Gump
My aren't you dancing the head of a pin there Mr. Morals.

Um, no.

Post by Elvis Gump
Oh yeah, I did misread it I guess. Let me get this straight; okay to
download, not okay to copy DVDs? Destroy Netflix? Baahahahaha!

Did I say 'OK'? No, I said 'do it if you want'. The risks and benefits of
doing so are all yours in that case. I don't pirate. Period.

Post by Elvis Gump
Well, I'll tell you NOTHING is gonna destroy Netflix except one of the
bigger competitors gobbling it up like a Wal-Mart or Blockbuster.

Oh really? Somebody needs to read up on the DMCA.

Post by Elvis Gump
As to copying films, well I never put a dent in anyone's bottom line because
rarely if ever could I have afforded to buy a full copy of a film back in
those bad old days when a VHS ran like $29 a pop. Fuck them and their

This is the old 'I wouldn't buy it anyway' argument, and it's just as
stupid as it was in 1977 when people used it to explain away copying
each other's computer games.

Post by Elvis Gump
for you." Well we'll see about that. Enter the internet age and millions
said level the playing field muthafucker!

Grow up. *

[Elvis Gump]

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
My aren't you dancing the head of a pin there Mr. Morals.

Um, no.

No? Maybe you just sit and spin.

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
Oh yeah, I did misread it I guess. Let me get this straight; okay to
download, not okay to copy DVDs? Destroy Netflix? Baahahahaha!

Did I say 'OK'? No, I said 'do it if you want'. The risks and benefits of
doing so are all yours in that case. I don't pirate. Period.

Me neither. It's too much damned trouble. But it's an interesting argument
to argue about here ain't it? That's what Usenet was invented for right? To
give people a place to argue about stuff that don't mean shit for the
purposes of letting them vent right?

I mean what with the people that can't afford a health care plan making
minimum wage and stuff like that? They should work harder, you know, put
their backs into it. Then they too could afford all this wonderful stuff too
the fucking slackers.

Hell if they'd spend less time watching DVDs and more time working they
might be able to afford DVDs and stuff...

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
Well, I'll tell you NOTHING is gonna destroy Netflix except one of the
bigger competitors gobbling it up like a Wal-Mart or Blockbuster.

Oh really? Somebody needs to read up on the DMCA.

Right.

The same turds that wrote that piece of shit also write the laws that
protect the rights of American drug companies to make as much money as they
possibly can. Do they fold those profits into helping make life saving drugs
or pecker-picker-upper pills which are much more profitable?

High moral ground baby!

Why do you think America can't find in allies lately? Why aren't foreign
countries protecting American companies copyrights vigorously?

Because it's a bullshit sweetheart deal that's why. Even small children can
see that. Who needs to grow up here?

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
As to copying films, well I never put a dent in anyone's bottom line because
rarely if ever could I have afforded to buy a full copy of a film back in
those bad old days when a VHS ran like $29 a pop. Fuck them and their

This is the old 'I wouldn't buy it anyway' argument, and it's just as
stupid as it was in 1977 when people used it to explain away copying
each other's computer games.

Yeah, because these people count every pirate copy as a 'lost sale' and cry
foul when they know the people that pirated it couldn't possibly have paid
for it in the first place because of the outrageous prices they slapped on
games, tapes, CDs and DVDs.

The pirates don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact that's why I've allied for a patent on the peg-leg and the hook-arm.
I'm gonna make a killing when the government comes and takes the arms and
the legs those pirates are pay for their dastardly, evil-doer ways!

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
for you." Well we'll see about that. Enter the internet age and millions
said level the playing field muthafucker!

Grow up. *

Hey, look out there at the world that's coming in on the idiot box. We got
guys beheading people and this is important enough to argue about? This is
peanuts in the world of shit we live in.

But good going dude. You've captured the high moral ground.

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: Elvis Gump ***@NOhotmailSPAM.com >>


<< They should work harder, you know, put
their backs into it. Then they too could afford all this wonderful stuff too
the fucking slackers. >>

That's the closest you've come to making sense today.


<< Who needs to grow up here? >>

You. Desperately.


<< Yeah, because these people count every pirate copy as a 'lost sale' >>

And you're back to yelling 'wahh wahh wahh I'm entitled to steal anything I
think is priced wrong'


<< You've captured the high moral ground. >>

After you abandoned it to wallow in the mud.

[fozzi bear]

Post by Elvis Gump
You know, I'd like to do that but man, it seems like so much trouble.

Agreed

Post by Elvis Gump
I used to do that with VHS tapes having an old 1989 vintage Sony VCR now
dead that seemed to laugh at Macrovision. I have a friend that built himself
a PC to do it with DVD but settling for splitting a movie in two pieces or
recompressing it to fit on a DVD-R is just too much trouble.

Similar story for me, cept it was a panasonic that said "Macrovision, what
language is that in?"

Post by Elvis Gump
I've already got good enough copies of everything classic I always wanted of
film on VHS and slowly building a DVD collection of things at the lowest
price I can find.

Same here

Post by Elvis Gump
I sort of hate Paramount for making the Trek stuff some sort of collectable
specialty priced monstrosity but what the hell it's their world I'm just
eking out a living in it.

Agreed entirely

Post by Elvis Gump
I'm not really interested in DS9 or VOY so much that I can't wait to see
them on TV and I've seen TNG stuff so many times I can just as soon wait
till it comes out on the next generation TV hi-def whatchamacallit whenever
it inevitably arrives.

Pretty much the same, though i am a little fonder of DS9, i can wait till
some
pothead decides he needs his bong fix more than his trek fix and sells them.

Post by Elvis Gump
I guess my mania to have all that stuff or whatever has ebbed the older I've
gotten. I was crazy for Napster only a few years ago but even if there
wasn't all the fear of getting sued or buying and iPod and learning to use
it I'm finding I care less and less about music altogether. Unless I put the
stuff I already have in the old DVD player, hit shuffle and crank it up I
don't listen to half of what I already have.

Exactly well put, this is getting creepy

Post by Elvis Gump
I dig around in my VHS archives and wonder when was the last time I pulled
something I put my hand on and watched it? Five years? Ten? The old copy of
The Last TNG AGT on the same tape as The Last Arsino Hall Show. It's got a
fine layer of dust on it.

No kidding, same again

Post by Elvis Gump
Damn and I put so much effort into the accumulation of all this stuff and I
can't remember why anymore.

mildly irritating isn't it, again, same for me

Post by Elvis Gump
I think it's called middle-age. But at least I'm not wearing some damned
tribble on my head that looks like it drowned.

<rereads post, notices DS9 and place of residence are the only substantial
differences>


Hey dude, give me back my life.

<cheeky grin>
<runs like hell from Elvis Gump>

Cheers
Fozzi

[Podkayne Fries]

Post by pv+ (Paul Vader)

Post by Elvis Gump
My Blockbuster doesn't rent them nor does any other rental store around that
I've seen. I think they must be tagged for retail only in my locale.

Netflix is your friend. It doesn't take too many series collections like
this to more than pay for your subscription.

See if your local library has them, or can get them through an
interlibrary loan.

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Podkayne Fries
See if your local library has them, or can get them through an
interlibrary loan.

Certainly a good idea, but, at least in my city, libraries are woefully
underfunded and often don't have very good DVD collections. *

[Joe Cool]

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

I guess so they can cram more commercials in.

What ticks me is their "Trek Uncut" feature on Friday nights. They
advertise that they are shown in full with no edits and they appear to
have fewer commericials. It causes both of the two episodes to end
around 10-8 minutes before the hour. So what do they do in between the
episodes? Show 8-10 minutes of commercials!!!

[GeneK]

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly

This is how "time-compression" works. Otherwise, the alternative
would be to speed up the playback the way it was done on some
local stations during the early rerun syndications in the 60's and
early 70's that had the cast talking as if their air had been doped
with trace amounts of helium, or to cut out entire scenes as other
stations often did.

GeneK


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Post by GeneK

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly

This is how "time-compression" works.

No, that's not how time compression works.

Post by GeneK
Otherwise, the alternative would be to speed up the playback the
way it was done on some local stations during the early rerun
syndications in the 60's and early 70's that had the cast talking
as if their air had been doped with trace amounts of helium,

That's how it's done today, and has been since at least 1990 or
thereabouts. They use digital processing on the audio can bring the
pitch back down to where it should be.

Post by GeneK
or to cut out entire scenes as other stations often did.

That's not "time compression", that's editing.

-- jayembee

[Keeper of the Purple Twilight]

Post by jayembee

Post by GeneK
This is how "time-compression" works.

No, that's not how time compression works.

Yeah, Time Compression works by having The Master aim a weapon at you
and reduce you to a doll-size corpse. Oops, never mind, that's Tissue
Compression. :)

[GeneK]

Post by jayembee
No, that's not how time compression works.
That's how it's done today, and has been since at least 1990 or
thereabouts. They use digital processing on the audio can bring the
pitch back down to where it should be.

The "digital processing" you refer to consists of dividing a recording
into segments and deleting segments to reduce the total time without
changing the pitch. The audio is not "speeded up" and the pitch is not
"brought down." In the earliest versions back in the 70's you could
actually hear a sort of throbbing in the audio because the segments
were fairly big and cyclic; that's gotten better for audio as the segments
have gotten smaller and "smarter algorithims have been developed to
apply speech comprehension principles to selecting which
segments to delete, but it's harder to compress video because you
have to maintain synchronization *and* have to delete images one
whole frame at a time. So you either have to compromise the sound
or the image, and since your ears are much better at detecting aberrations
than your eyes are, the result is that the image motion is distorted to
maintain as much smoothness in the sound as possible.

Post by jayembee
That's not "time compression", that's editing.

Editing is still "time compression" in the sense that someone is
shortening the work by deleting material that is considered expendable.

GeneK




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"GeneK"

Post by GeneK

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly

This is how "time-compression" works.

There's a device stations can purchase that speeds up the video
without dropping frames. Instead of 30 fps you get 34 fps.

Obviously Spike took the cheaper approach of just dropping 4 frames
each second. Isn't that "cutting"? Spike advertises no cutting. A
blatant lie.

[GeneK]

Post by Troy Heagy
There's a device stations can purchase that speeds up the video
without dropping frames. Instead of 30 fps you get 34 fps.

I would think that speeding things up by over 10% would be even
worse than dropping frames, but either way you're not getting the
episode as originally filmed. Does it really make that much of a
difference what method they use to screw it up?

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Post by Troy Heagy
There's a device stations can purchase that speeds up the video
without dropping frames. Instead of 30 fps you get 34 fps.

I don't know how TNS/DS9 is recorded but US television is 60FPS.
(as well as UK monochrome TV)
I guess I always assumed that TV shows had the same frame-rate as TV.

[Eric Redus]

Actually US television is 30 Frames Per Second. Each frame is divided into
interlaced fields, so there would be 60 fields per second.

Film is 24 frames per second.

Post by The Doctor

Post by Troy Heagy
There's a device stations can purchase that speeds up the video
without dropping frames. Instead of 30 fps you get 34 fps.

I don't know how TNS/DS9 is recorded but US television is 60FPS.
(as well as UK monochrome TV)
I guess I always assumed that TV shows had the same frame-rate as TV.
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Post by Eric Redus
Actually US television is 30 Frames Per Second. Each frame is
divided into interlaced fields, so there would be 60 fields per
second.
Film is 24 frames per second.

And when we are on to it PAL and SECAM - the two European television
standards have 25 fps (50 fields). Therefore PAL is, because they
don't use a sophisticated algorithm like NTSC (to get from 24 to 29.97
fps), simply a little bit faster (about 4 percent)

Grisu

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: ***@yahoo.com (Troy Heagy) >>


<< There's a device stations can purchase that speeds up the video
without dropping frames. Instead of 30 fps you get 34 fps. >>

and how exactly do you think that works? Actually they drop fields anyway, not
frames. And they don't get 34 fps. They might cram 34fps into 30. And you
know what? That means 4 frames are gone. They've either dropped 8 fields, or
blended 16 together, in which case you've still got information loss.


<< Obviously Spike took the cheaper approach of just dropping 4 frames
each second. >>

Well, that's not what they did in the first place. You're step framing on a
VHS machine, right? You're not seeing frames, you're seeing fields. And
because you're only seeing every other field, your numbers are suspect. Hell,
you might be seeing the 24 to 30 fps conversion for all I know.

<< Isn't that "cutting"? >>

No

<< Spike advertises no cutting. >>

And they aren't cutting. They're time compressing.

<< A
blatant lie. >>

Except for the 'no it's not' part, sure.

[Joe Cool]

On Mon, 03 May 2004 22:33:22 GMT, "GeneK"

Post by GeneK

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly

This is how "time-compression" works. Otherwise, the alternative
would be to speed up the playback the way it was done on some
local stations during the early rerun syndications in the 60's and
early 70's that had the cast talking as if their air had been doped
with trace amounts of helium, or to cut out entire scenes as other
stations often did.

For years when ST: TOS was shown in syndication, they simply would cut
scenes to make room for the allowed commercial time. When I got the
entire series on VHS several years ago, I saw many scenes that I
hadn't seen since the 60's!!

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: ***@yahoo.com (Troy Heagy) >>


<< If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
cutting out footage: >>

How do you think time compression works? It drops frames.

[~Brian~]

Post by Troy Heagy
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

I will have to look for this the next time I watch an episode of DS9 on
Spike.

I just hope that Spike doesn't butcher the show the way TNT is doing with
the X-Files. They have ruined the whole flow of the show with their
editing.

They go right into the show after the opening credits and it throws off the
feel of the show from that point on. They go to commercials at weird times,
taking away from the cliff hangers within each episode and continue the
story where there should have actually been a commercial break.

But I bitch.


~Brian

[fruitbat]

Post by ~Brian~

Post by Troy Heagy
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

I will have to look for this the next time I watch an episode of DS9 on
Spike.
I just hope that Spike doesn't butcher the show the way TNT is doing with
the X-Files. They have ruined the whole flow of the show with their
editing.
They go right into the show after the opening credits and it throws off the
feel of the show from that point on. They go to commercials at weird times,
taking away from the cliff hangers within each episode and continue the
story where there should have actually been a commercial break.

TNT does this with Law & Order and Angel, too, so I assume they do it
with all of their dramas. It's *really* irritating when it's obvious
and badly done, and I've often changed the channel when I notice it.
Maybe if they knew people did that, they wouldn't butcher stuff as
much...

Jeff

[Charles Franklin]

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

I've noticed that a local station is broadcasting colorized versions of all
of their shows. I guess it's a cost cutting measure to save storage space
and band width by converting everything to black and white and only adding
color where it's needed.

[David E. Powell]

Post by Charles Franklin

Post by Troy Heagy
If you watch the panning shots, every half-second the film "jumps" 2
frames. They're not using time-compression...they're just blatantly
81000 frames = uncut
70200 frames = cut
...means they shortened the episode from 45 to 39 minutes (and ruined
the experience).

I've noticed that a local station is broadcasting colorized versions of all
of their shows. I guess it's a cost cutting measure to save storage space
and band width by converting everything to black and white and only adding
color where it's needed.

Legit? That's freaky!

[Troy Heagy]

"Charles Franklin"

Post by Charles Franklin
I've noticed that a local station is broadcasting colorized versions of all
of their shows. I guess it's a cost cutting measure to save storage space

How can a show be colorized on the fly??? I thought colorization was
like "painting" and required many weeks of work.

Troy