Scientists have proven 9-11 was a military/media black op; therefore, it's no longer a "conspiracy theory"

[Doped-up Lefty]

It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Now that the world's top scientists have proven 9-11 was a Pentagon/
Media black op, the burden of proof is on NASA to show men went to the
moon.

When NASA claimed to have put men on the moon in 1969, Richard Nixon,
Henry Kissinger, and Donald Rumsfeld were running the government.

http://moonmovie.com/products.htm



The News Media had a central role in pulling off the 9/11 psy-op. The
operation involved airing on television a substitute, computer-
generated version of reality. It has temporarily succeeded to sell to
the world the preposterous tale of 19 young terrorists using hijacked
airliners to attack the USA. This longstanding research has
established the falseness of the images shown on LIVE TV on 9/11 – as
well as all the subsequently released video material. A large number
of casualties was also reported to generate public outrage and support
for illegal wars of aggression. However, the September Clues research
has determined that the alleged victims were fictitious identities
mostly/or entirely created within the digital realm. The 9/11 hoax -
and the phony "War on Terror" - are definitively exposed by method
revealed.


ENTER SITE
http://www.septemberclues.info/
ALL RESEARCH ARTICLES

The Power Of Imagery

Television is - and has always been - a Weapon of Mass Distraction.
The power of TV-imagery was the driving force behind the 9/11
deception.

Whenever a major news event is reported by the mainstream media, it
will invariably be illustrated with photographs or videos in order to
convey to the public some visual impressions of the event. Undeniably,
the imagery connected with any given news story enhances our emotional
relation to it. The way we relate to news imagery has an almost
hypnotic effect on our psyche: we have come to consider the visuals of
any given news story as proof of that news story’s authenticity. This
is truly a ‘weak spot’ of our brains’ readiness for critical-thinking.
Thus follows, unfortunately, that to challenge the authenticity of a
catastrophic event shown on Live TV is way beyond what most people are
willing to contemplate. However, the time has come for everyone to
call television by its most appropriate, military-sounding name:
"Weapon of Mass Distraction".

The 9/11 psyop relied foremostly on that ‘weak spot’ of ours. We all
fell for the images we saw on TV at the time – understandably so, as
the sheer horror of the proposed imagery generated a wall of outrage
and fear – thick enough to discourage any critical review of it. In
hindsight, we can only wonder why so few questioned the absurd TV
coverage proposed by all the major networks. The picture at left shows
a moment (at 8:59AM) of the four synchronized TV broadcasts of ABC,
CBS, NBC and FOX: yet another indication that the 9/11 TV "LIVE"
broadcasts were managed by one single, centralized studio. (see my
audio analysis in September Clues E)



WHAT TELEVISION VIEWERS SAW ON 9/11
The 9/11 TV imagery (of the crucial morning events) was just a
computer-animated, pre-fabricated movie. It featured for the most part
what were meant to be “chopper shots” of the smoking towers - and very
little else. The sum total of “Action Shots” (“Planecrash” and “Tower
collapses”) amounted to little over 30secs of the entire morning's TV
broadcasts ! Needless to say, much as the rest of the animation movie,
none of these “Action Shots” depicted any sort of reality. Now, it may
be difficult for many to understand why the 9/11 plotters needed to
fake even the tower collapses; yet this was undoubtedly the most
crucial aspect of the entire operation - and needs to be fully
understood in its plain logic: The unprecedented WTC demolition job
was far too risky an affair to be shown on LIVE TV - (or to let any
amateur cameraman capture it on film). The 9/11 conspirators had no
intention whatsoever to offer such a "pyrotechnical" spectacle to
world scrutiny - just imagine how unspeakably foolish this would have
been. Thus, in all probability, the oldest trick in the manuals of
covert military ops was used: smokescreens. More recent technology
deactivated temporarily all cameras within sight of the area. In
reality, the towers were most likely enveloped in thick smoke
(military obscurants) as they collapsed - and no real footage exists
of that brief event. Thankfully - for all normal people of this world
- the 9/11 planners hired a poorly skilled animation crew : in their
efforts to simulate reality, their crass 'artistry' and countless
mistakes provide ample and repeatable proof of the trickery - forever
engraved in the TV archives.

These images are an intolerable insult to human intelligence :
A REAL PLANE CRASH ?___________________________A REAL SKYSCRAPER
COLLAPSE ?
See: Detailed Analyses of Airplane Animations
See: Detailed Analyses of Collapse Animations

WHY FAKE THE NEWS BROADCASTS ? The 9/11 TV broadcasts were designed to
‘sell’ a fictitious terror attack to the world– by replacing the real-
life events of the day (the WTC demolitions) with fake imagery. The
official story was quite surreal - as were the TV images of the day
and the preposterous tale of 19 kids roundly outfoxing the US Air
Defense. It is essential to judge with one's own eyes the broadcasts
actually aired by ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC and CNN.

WHAT ABOUT THE "AMATEUR" VIDEOS ? All the other videos (endlessly
replayed on TV) were released only later. They have all been
extensively analyzed by scores of video analysts; each and every video
snippet of "amateur imagery" has been methodically dissected and
compared - and empirically proved to be nothing else than computer-
generated fabrications.

HOW WERE PRIVATE VIDEOS IMPEDED ? In order for the 9/11 TV-deception
to succeed, full visual control of the Manhattan area had to be in
place. The existence of EMP/HERF technology is undisputable: only the
hypothesis of it being used on 9/11 remains unverifiable. It is,
however, a reasonable postulation supported by a series of electronic
blackouts which occurred in NYC that morning. In any event, the logic
of using EMP/HERF holds water and effectively explains the ruse with
disarming simplicity: NO private photography of the real-life events
was allowed: thus, the imagery aired by the TV networks feared no
comparison and was passed off as reality.

[Ron]

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.
Now that the world's top scientists have proven 9-11 was a Pentagon/
Media black op, the burden of proof is on NASA to show men went to the
moon.
When NASA claimed to have put men on the moon in 1969, Richard Nixon,
Henry Kissinger, and Donald Rumsfeld were running the government.
http://moonmovie.com/products.htm
The News Media had a central role in pulling off the 9/11 psy-op. The
operation involved airing on television a substitute, computer-
generated version of reality. It has temporarily succeeded to sell to
the world the preposterous tale of 19 young terrorists using hijacked
airliners to attack the USA. This longstanding research has
established the falseness of the images shown on LIVE TV on 9/11 – as
well as all the subsequently released video material. A large number
of casualties was also reported to generate public outrage and support
for illegal wars of aggression. However, the September Clues research
has determined that the alleged victims were fictitious identities
mostly/or entirely created within the digital realm. The 9/11 hoax -
and the phony "War on Terror" - are definitively exposed by method
revealed.
ENTER SITEhttp://www.septemberclues.info/
ALL RESEARCH ARTICLES
The Power Of Imagery
Television is - and has always been - a Weapon of Mass Distraction.
The power of TV-imagery was the driving force behind the 9/11
deception.
Whenever a major news event is reported by the mainstream media, it
will invariably be illustrated with photographs or videos in order to
convey to the public some visual impressions of the event. Undeniably,
the imagery connected with any given news story enhances our emotional
relation to it. The way we relate to news imagery has an almost
hypnotic effect on our psyche: we have come to consider the visuals of
any given news story as proof of that news story’s authenticity. This
is truly a ‘weak spot’ of our brains’ readiness for critical-thinking.
Thus follows, unfortunately, that to challenge the authenticity of a
catastrophic event shown on Live TV is way beyond what most people are
willing to contemplate. However, the time has come for everyone to
"Weapon of Mass Distraction".
  The 9/11 psyop relied foremostly on that ‘weak spot’ of ours. We all
fell for the images we saw on TV at the time – understandably so, as
the sheer horror of the proposed imagery generated a wall of outrage
and fear – thick enough to discourage any critical review of it. In
hindsight, we can only wonder why so few questioned the absurd TV
coverage proposed by all the major networks. The picture at left shows
a moment (at 8:59AM) of the four synchronized TV broadcasts of ABC,
CBS, NBC and FOX: yet another indication that the 9/11 TV "LIVE"
broadcasts were managed by one single, centralized studio. (see my
audio analysis in September Clues E)
WHAT TELEVISION VIEWERS SAW ON 9/11
The 9/11 TV imagery (of the crucial morning events) was just a
computer-animated, pre-fabricated movie. It featured for the most part
what were meant to be “chopper shots” of the smoking towers - and very
little else. The sum total of “Action Shots” (“Planecrash” and “Tower
collapses”) amounted to little over 30secs of the entire morning's TV
broadcasts ! Needless to say, much as the rest of the animation movie,
none of these “Action Shots” depicted any sort of reality. Now, it may
be difficult for many to understand why the 9/11 plotters needed to
fake even the tower collapses; yet this was undoubtedly the most
crucial aspect of the entire operation - and needs to be fully
understood in its plain logic: The unprecedented WTC demolition job
was far too risky an affair to be shown on LIVE TV - (or to let any
amateur cameraman capture it on film). The 9/11 conspirators had no
intention whatsoever to offer such a "pyrotechnical" spectacle to
world scrutiny - just imagine how unspeakably foolish this would have
been. Thus, in all probability, the oldest trick in the manuals of
covert military ops was used: smokescreens. More recent technology
deactivated temporarily all cameras within sight of the area. In
reality, the towers were most likely enveloped in thick smoke
(military obscurants) as they collapsed - and no real footage exists
of that brief event. Thankfully - for all normal people of this world
- the 9/11 planners hired a poorly skilled animation crew : in their
efforts to simulate reality, their crass 'artistry' and countless
mistakes provide ample and repeatable proof of the trickery - forever
engraved in the TV archives.
A REAL PLANE CRASH ?___________________________A REAL SKYSCRAPER
COLLAPSE ?
See: Detailed Analyses of Airplane Animations
See: Detailed Analyses of Collapse Animations
WHY FAKE THE NEWS BROADCASTS ? The 9/11 TV broadcasts were designed to
‘sell’ a fictitious terror attack to the world– by replacing the real-
life events of the day (the WTC demolitions) with fake imagery. The
official story was quite surreal - as were the TV images of the day
and the preposterous tale of 19 kids roundly outfoxing the US Air
Defense. It is essential to judge with one's own eyes the broadcasts
actually aired by ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC and CNN.
WHAT ABOUT THE "AMATEUR" VIDEOS ? All the other videos (endlessly
replayed on TV) were released only later. They have all been
extensively analyzed by scores of video analysts; each and every video
snippet of "amateur imagery" has been methodically dissected and
compared - and empirically proved to be nothing else than computer-
generated fabrications.
HOW WERE PRIVATE VIDEOS IMPEDED ? In order for the 9/11 TV-deception
to succeed, full visual control of the Manhattan area had to be in
place. The existence of EMP/HERF technology is undisputable: only the
hypothesis of it being used on 9/11 remains unverifiable. It is,
however, a reasonable postulation supported by a series of electronic
blackouts which occurred in NYC that morning. In any event, the logic
of using EMP/HERF holds water and effectively explains the ruse with
disarming simplicity: NO private photography of the real-life events
was allowed: thus, the imagery aired by the TV networks feared no
comparison and was passed off as reality.

.
.
I'll alert the media.

[Ernie]

That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie


It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Now that the world's top scientists have proven 9-11 was a Pentagon/
Media black op, the burden of proof is on NASA to show men went to the
moon.

When NASA claimed to have put men on the moon in 1969, Richard Nixon,
Henry Kissinger, and Donald Rumsfeld were running the government.

http://moonmovie.com/products.htm



The News Media had a central role in pulling off the 9/11 psy-op. The
operation involved airing on television a substitute, computer-
generated version of reality. It has temporarily succeeded to sell to
the world the preposterous tale of 19 young terrorists using hijacked
airliners to attack the USA. This longstanding research has
established the falseness of the images shown on LIVE TV on 9/11 – as
well as all the subsequently released video material. A large number
of casualties was also reported to generate public outrage and support
for illegal wars of aggression. However, the September Clues research
has determined that the alleged victims were fictitious identities
mostly/or entirely created within the digital realm. The 9/11 hoax -
and the phony "War on Terror" - are definitively exposed by method
revealed.


ENTER SITE
http://www.septemberclues.info/
ALL RESEARCH ARTICLES

The Power Of Imagery

Television is - and has always been - a Weapon of Mass Distraction.
The power of TV-imagery was the driving force behind the 9/11
deception.

Whenever a major news event is reported by the mainstream media, it
will invariably be illustrated with photographs or videos in order to
convey to the public some visual impressions of the event. Undeniably,
the imagery connected with any given news story enhances our emotional
relation to it. The way we relate to news imagery has an almost
hypnotic effect on our psyche: we have come to consider the visuals of
any given news story as proof of that news story’s authenticity. This
is truly a ‘weak spot’ of our brains’ readiness for critical-thinking.
Thus follows, unfortunately, that to challenge the authenticity of a
catastrophic event shown on Live TV is way beyond what most people are
willing to contemplate. However, the time has come for everyone to
call television by its most appropriate, military-sounding name:
"Weapon of Mass Distraction".

The 9/11 psyop relied foremostly on that ‘weak spot’ of ours. We all
fell for the images we saw on TV at the time – understandably so, as
the sheer horror of the proposed imagery generated a wall of outrage
and fear – thick enough to discourage any critical review of it. In
hindsight, we can only wonder why so few questioned the absurd TV
coverage proposed by all the major networks. The picture at left shows
a moment (at 8:59AM) of the four synchronized TV broadcasts of ABC,
CBS, NBC and FOX: yet another indication that the 9/11 TV "LIVE"
broadcasts were managed by one single, centralized studio. (see my
audio analysis in September Clues E)



WHAT TELEVISION VIEWERS SAW ON 9/11
The 9/11 TV imagery (of the crucial morning events) was just a
computer-animated, pre-fabricated movie. It featured for the most part
what were meant to be “chopper shots” of the smoking towers - and very
little else. The sum total of “Action Shots” (“Planecrash” and “Tower
collapses”) amounted to little over 30secs of the entire morning's TV
broadcasts ! Needless to say, much as the rest of the animation movie,
none of these “Action Shots” depicted any sort of reality. Now, it may
be difficult for many to understand why the 9/11 plotters needed to
fake even the tower collapses; yet this was undoubtedly the most
crucial aspect of the entire operation - and needs to be fully
understood in its plain logic: The unprecedented WTC demolition job
was far too risky an affair to be shown on LIVE TV - (or to let any
amateur cameraman capture it on film). The 9/11 conspirators had no
intention whatsoever to offer such a "pyrotechnical" spectacle to
world scrutiny - just imagine how unspeakably foolish this would have
been. Thus, in all probability, the oldest trick in the manuals of
covert military ops was used: smokescreens. More recent technology
deactivated temporarily all cameras within sight of the area. In
reality, the towers were most likely enveloped in thick smoke
(military obscurants) as they collapsed - and no real footage exists
of that brief event. Thankfully - for all normal people of this world
- the 9/11 planners hired a poorly skilled animation crew : in their
efforts to simulate reality, their crass 'artistry' and countless
mistakes provide ample and repeatable proof of the trickery - forever
engraved in the TV archives.

These images are an intolerable insult to human intelligence :
A REAL PLANE CRASH ?___________________________A REAL SKYSCRAPER
COLLAPSE ?
See: Detailed Analyses of Airplane Animations
See: Detailed Analyses of Collapse Animations

WHY FAKE THE NEWS BROADCASTS ? The 9/11 TV broadcasts were designed to
‘sell’ a fictitious terror attack to the world– by replacing the real-
life events of the day (the WTC demolitions) with fake imagery. The
official story was quite surreal - as were the TV images of the day
and the preposterous tale of 19 kids roundly outfoxing the US Air
Defense. It is essential to judge with one's own eyes the broadcasts
actually aired by ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC and CNN.

WHAT ABOUT THE "AMATEUR" VIDEOS ? All the other videos (endlessly
replayed on TV) were released only later. They have all been
extensively analyzed by scores of video analysts; each and every video
snippet of "amateur imagery" has been methodically dissected and
compared - and empirically proved to be nothing else than computer-
generated fabrications.

HOW WERE PRIVATE VIDEOS IMPEDED ? In order for the 9/11 TV-deception
to succeed, full visual control of the Manhattan area had to be in
place. The existence of EMP/HERF technology is undisputable: only the
hypothesis of it being used on 9/11 remains unverifiable. It is,
however, a reasonable postulation supported by a series of electronic
blackouts which occurred in NYC that morning. In any event, the logic
of using EMP/HERF holds water and effectively explains the ruse with
disarming simplicity: NO private photography of the real-life events
was allowed: thus, the imagery aired by the TV networks feared no
comparison and was passed off as reality.

[george152]

Post by Ernie
That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

[Doped-up Lefty]

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

  Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know. It's more government lies.

http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5

If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.

And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography. Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.

There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon. All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).

They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon. If there was, they would take a picture of it.

Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.

Find out the TRUTH about "Tricky" Dick Nixon's moon hoax:
http://www.moonmovie.com/

[Ron]

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

  Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know.  It's more government lies.
http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.
And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography.  Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.
There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon.  All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).
They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon.  If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.
Find out the TRUTH about "Tricky" Dick Nixon's moon hoax:http://www.moonmovie.com/

.
.
Re: They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of
the American flag on the moon because they know there is no American
flag on the moon. If there was, they would take a picture of it.

Give us a link to the "excuses" for no pictures. And while you
scramble around doing that task, take a look at:

Loading Image...

But....knowing the mindset of the Lunar Deniers, you will claim the
photo has been faked.

Dream on.

[Doped-up Lefty]

Post by Ron

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

  Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know.  It's more government lies.
http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.
And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography.  Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.
There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon.  All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).
They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon.  If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.
Find out the TRUTH about "Tricky" Dick Nixon's moon hoax:http://www.moonmovie.com/

.
.
Re: They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of
the American flag on the moon because they know there is no American
flag on the moon.  If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Give us a link to the "excuses" for no pictures.  And while you
http://apple.copydesk.org/uploads/2011/09/1109LunarRaw.jpg
But....knowing the mindset of the Lunar Deniers, you will claim the
photo has been faked.
Dream on.

You're just a "dream maker."


Moon Mission, half a million miles
I'm crossing them in style, some say
Oh, you moon faker, you dream maker
If to the moon you are going, I'm going your way

Three spacemen, off to stroll the moon
There's not a single star to see
But we're near our mission's end
It's just around the bend
My Walt Disney friend, moon faker, and me


Potheads have Zero Tolerance for government hoaxes
http://apollozero.com/

MOONFAKER, a documentary series about the Fake Moon Landing
http://letsrollforums.com/moonfaker-documentary-series-fake-t13973.html

Lunarcy: How to Fake a Moon Mission

So, you want to fake a moon mission. Well, look no further. We at
Lunarcy Productions will take you through it step by step. And all for
a nominal fee.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have "Discovered"...

The entire universe is permeated with moon-hoax gatekeepers.

They're coming out of the woodwork right now at this site:

Moon Hoax +10
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/02/15/moon-hoax-10/

The comments look like a Gatekeepers' convention. They're having a
virtual love fest among themselves.

My comment didn't achieve orbit so I'll put it here:

I was in Vietnam in '69 when "men went to the moon." I believed it
for 42 years, but it only took five minutes of "Apollo Zero" to change
my mind - when the old moonwalker said the air conditioning and other
equipment ran on ... batteries????

You're on the moon and your battery goes dead. What can you do?

Moon to Earth! ... Moon to Earth! ... We just landed on the moon and
we have a problem - our battery went dead. Please call AAA and tell
them we need some jumper cables 240,000 miles long, or send up a tow
truck to pull us back. Hurry! It's getting hot! Over and out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Things that really happened are seldom, if ever, denied.

Case in point: The British battleship Hood was sunk by the German
battleship Bismarck; did anyone ever deny that happened? No, because
when the smoke had cleared away, the Hood was gone and the Bismarck
was still there.

If men really went to the moon - it would be obvious and no one would
be asking NASA to prove anything.

If NASA could prove it put men on the moon - it would.

If NASA would prove it put men on the moon: I will swallow an
American flag whole and pull it out of my ass live, on national TV.

The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

Is that too much to ask? It must be because they can't do it. The
pictures of "halos" don't prove men went to the moon.

Show me an American flag on the moon - and I'll show you an American
flag coming out of my ass.

[george152]

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.
Is that too much to ask? It must be because they can't do it. The
pictures of "halos" don't prove men went to the moon.

Been done.
Start looking for that flag!

[george152]

Post by george152

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.
Is that too much to ask? It must be because they can't do it. The
pictures of "halos" don't prove men went to the moon.

Been done.
Start looking for that flag!

Okay.
Go to
http://www.space.com/12030-moon-photos-nasa-lunar-reconnaissance-orbiter.html

I'm waiting for the apology

[BDK]

Post by george152

Post by george152

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.
Is that too much to ask? It must be because they can't do it. The
pictures of "halos" don't prove men went to the moon.

Been done.
Start looking for that flag!

Okay.
Go to
http://www.space.com/12030-moon-photos-nasa-lunar-reconnaissance-orbiter.html
I'm waiting for the apology

You know you won't get one, don't you? A kook almost neve apologizes.

[Doped-up Lefty]

Post by george152

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.
Is that too much to ask? It must be because they can't do it. The
pictures of "halos" don't prove men went to the moon.

Been done.
Start looking for that flag!

Okay.
Go tohttp://www.space.com/12030-moon-photos-nasa-lunar-reconnaissance-orbi...
I'm waiting for the apology

The key phrase is "from NASA."

NASA investigating the moon hoax is like the fox investigating the
theft of chickens, a crime - according to the fox - that's best left
unsolved.

REPEAT: The entire universe is permeated with moon hoax gatekeepers.
I'm communicating with one right now. They're everywhere!
They're everywhere!

Now why is that? It's because the 9-11 hoax and the men-on-the-moon
hoax were both about smart rich people stealing money from gullible
poor people; however, the moon hoax perpetrators have NO PATSIES to
hide behind.

With no patsies to hide behind, the criminals must flood the universe
with gatekeepers begging the gullible poor to please, please, please
believe men went to the moon. Otherwise, the gullible poor might
start to realize planes can't fly through buildings and come out the
other side.

[The "nose out" was either a hard plane, a soft building, or a cheap
camera.

]

You have to LOOK BEHIND the begging moon hoax gatekeepers to find out
who the criminals are. Have a look:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Penn & Teller
provide clues to
America's destruction
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Axis_of_Perverts2.html

When a criminal tries to cover evidence of his crime, he runs the risk
of attracting attention to himself, and leaving even more evidence.
This may be what the Penn & Teller television show just did on Monday,
May 9, 2005. That night they defended the government's version of:

1) The Apollo moon landing.
2) The assassination of President Kennedy.
3) The September 11 attack.

What is the Penn & Teller television show?
This is a television show on the Showtime television network. It is
similar to the Internet site known as "Urban Legends" in that they
claim to be truth seekers who expose hoaxes.
The Penn & Teller show decided to interview Jimmy Walter and myself,
along with Ralph Rene, Jim Mars, and several other people, for a
special show on the subject of conspiracies. They wanted to show the
truth about the three issues listed above.

The camera crew that interviewed Jimmy Walter and I were independent
contractors, and they filmed us for several hours. Both of us provided
a lot of serious information about 9-11 to support the theory that
September 11 was a government operation.

If the entire world could watch the unedited interview and compare
that to the final television show, I suspect that the vast majority of
people would come to the conclusion that the editors of the show were
desperately trying to make us look like idiots. I assume they gave the
same treatment to Ralph Rene and Jim Mars.

Why would Penn and Teller care so much about defending the
government's version of the September 11 attack? Why would they care
about the Apollo moon landing and the Kennedy assassination? Why did
they select those three particular conspiracies?

Before trying to answer these questions, let me give you a little
background information.

After I posted my Science Challenge about the Apollo moon landing on
my web site, I started getting complaints from people from several
different nations that I should remove it immediately because
astronauts really did land on the moon, and therefore I was going to
ruin my credibility as a 9-11 researcher by promoting such nonsense. I
was also told that I would make the entire 9/11 movement look
foolish.

I also noticed that whenever somebody posted a message on an Internet
message board that Apollo was a fake, an incredible number of people
would appear almost immediately to defend Apollo. Why are so many
people around the world trying to convince us that astronauts walked
on the moon?

A man named Phil Plait has BadAstronomy.com for the purpose of
defending Apollo. The Penn & Teller show used him as one of the
experts on Apollo. Why is Plait so concerned about defending Apollo?

People such as Ralph Rene, Bart Sebril, and Bill Kaysing have been
complaining about Apollo long before I realized it was a scam, but
none of them have had much of an effect on the world. So why are so
many people struggling to defend Apollo? My conclusion was that Apollo
must be the tip of an iceberg, or "scamberg".

I was discussing Penn and Teller's attempt to defend 9-11 and Apollo
with one of America's only investigative reporters, Christopher
Bollyn. I told Bollyn that perhaps NASA was worried that if people
realized Apollo was a fake, they would wonder what else NASA lied
about. Perhaps the Mars rovers are actually in an Australian desert,
for example. I also told Bollyn that Cathy O'Brien claims to have been
taken to one of NASA's facilities for mind control experiments, so
perhaps NASA was worried that their involvment in mind control
experiments and sex slaves would be exposed.

Bollyn's first reaction was to say we need to look at the people
behind the Penn & Teller show. He suspected the executives were part
of the criminal network that gave us 9-11, and they are trying to
cover their tracks.

So he began looking into the Penn & Teller show. He discovered a name
he had never heard of before, David L. Wolper. It looks as if Wolper
lets us connect a lot of the dots in the corruption of America.

Israelis and Zionists such as Meyer Lansky were among the masterminds
of the assassination of President Kennedy. In my book "Painful
Questions" I have a section about the assassination of Kennedy, and I
mention my suspicion that Abraham Zapruder knew the assassination was
going to occur that day, and he was there to document it. But what is
the connection between all these scams?

Perhaps David Wolper will lead us to the answer. Wolper seems to have
the connections to Jewish gangsters and the Zionists. Bollyn has few
articles about Wolper: Zionists Rape Bible
(I have a few comments about Wolper also.)

If Penn and Teller had not tried to make Jimmy Walter and me look like
fools, Bollyn and I never would have had a conversation about them,
and Bollyn never would have discovered David Wolper. Also, their
mixing of 9-11, Apollo, and the Kennedy assassination is curious. It
makes us wonder if the same group of people were involved in all three
scams. This is a good example of how an attempt to cover a crime can
expose more information about it.


Will they make more mistakes?
One reason that almost nobody pays attention to Christopher Bollyn or
myself is that we are not considered important. Humans are like
animals; specifically, we follow the leader. Since neither I nor
Bollyn are considered to be leaders, most people turn away from us
rather than listen to us.
However, the attempts to discredit us by Popular Mechanics, the Art
Bell radio show, and now the Penn & Teller television show are helping
to elevate our social status. If they continue their attempts to
discredit us, we may soon be considered an authority of 9-11 and/or
other scams.


"Trust us, we tell you the truth!"
In my video, Painful Deceptions, I mention that the Internet site
referred to as "Urban Legends" may have been created specifically to
help cover up crimes. The Penn & Teller show may be similar because
they both operate in the same manner. Specially, they build
credibility for themselves by exposing a few hoaxes, and then they use
their credibility to defend the government's version of the September
11th attack and other crimes. Unfortunately for them, their attempts
to cover these crimes are exposing themselves as having some type of
involvment.
The magazines Popular Mechanics and Scientific American published
biased articles to defend the government, although the bias was not as
extreme as with the Penn & Teller show.

Jodie Dean of the Hobart and William Smith Colleges appeared on the
Penn & Teller show to criticize people who believe in conspiracies.
Professor Glen Corbett of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice
appeared on the show to defend the government.

If the FBI was truly interested in solving these crimes, they would
investigate the people who are defending the government, their
friends, their sources of money, and their sexual activities.

The FBI should also wonder why so many of the people who defend the
government are professors. For example, Professor John McAdams defends
the assassination of President Kennedy, and Professor Bazant promoted
the "Pancake Theory" to explain why the World Trade Center towers
collapsed. Our universities behave like government agencies; ie, they
are filling up with useless people who care only about money, which in
turn is causing tuitions to rise to absurd levels.

Unfortunately, the FBI seems involved in these crimes, so they have no
desire to investigate any of these people.


Useful Idiots
Christopher Bollyn called Jodie Dean of the Hobart and William Smith
Colleges and asked her about the Penn & Teller show, and she told him
that she did not understand what this show was about. She had never
heard of me or my book, and she told them she would not discuss the
Kennedy assassination because she said there was too much evidence
that the conspiracy theory was correct!
In other words, they deceived her into thinking that she was talking
about stupid conspiracies, such as Big Foot, or alien abductions. To
be more blunt, Jodie Dean may have become what they refer to as a
useful idiot.

How disgusting does the "mainstream media" have to be before the
people realize that they are being manipulated? What has to happen
before people stop purchasing their manipulative TV shows, magazines,
and newspapers?


Why are so many people defending Apollo?
However, I still have not explained why there is so much emphasis on
defending Apollo. In fact, today, 10 May 2005, I received another e-
mail from somebody telling me to remove the Apollo material from my
video commentary on Kay Griggs (you can find the video at
HugeQuestions.com)
Why are there so many people telling me to stop talking about Apollo?
What makes Apollo such a sensitive topic?

Consider that the major difference between Apollo and the September 11
attack, the Oklahoma City bombing, and the assassination of President
Kennedy is that Apollo is considered an "technical achievement" but
the others are "crimes".

A crime requires "criminals". In the case of president Kennedy, Oswald
was the criminal.

In the case of the Oklahoma City bombing, Tim McVeigh and the "right
wing extremists" were the criminals. They also had a "John Doe #2" who
would be described as an Arab, perhaps as a spare patsy in case
McVeigh failed to work out, or perhaps in case they decided to bring
the Arabs into it.

The September 11 attack was designed so that the blame would go to the
mysterious "Al Queda", and if that failed, the blame would fall on
other groups, such as Pakistan's ISI, or Saudi Arabia.

However, Apollo was never a "crime", so nobody was set up to take
blame for it. Therefore, if the Apollo moon landing is exposed, the
criminals themselves are exposed. There are no patsies to protect the
people behind the Apollo moon hoax.

[Ernie]

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Post by george152

Post by george152

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.
Is that too much to ask? It must be because they can't do it. The
pictures of "halos" don't prove men went to the moon.

Been done.
Start looking for that flag!

Okay.
Go to
http://www.space.com/12030-moon-photos-nasa-lunar-reconnaissance-orbiter.html
I'm waiting for the apology

[rincewind]

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.

The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!

[Rocky]

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.

The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!

---------- Reply below ----------

Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.

Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.

Rocky

[First Post]

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.

You think stupid indeed.

Post by rincewind
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

Watch out for those black helicopters goof.

[BDK]

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

Damn Rockhead, you really need to get some help. I know you won't, and
that's ok with me, as far as getting my laughs from your insanely stupid
claims and theories, but why hasn't your family just decided enough is
enough and forced you into treatment?

[rincewind]

Post by BDK

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
----------  Reply below  ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

Damn Rockhead, you really need to get some help. I know you won't, and
that's ok with me, as far as getting my laughs from your insanely stupid
claims and theories, but why hasn't your family just decided enough is
enough and forced you into treatment?

Because they're not reading this and he doesn't expose this side of
himself outside of usenet?

[BDK]

In article <e7446dbb-4928-4ed3-afe4-f83151ca6774
@fi7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, ***@hotmail.com says...

Post by rincewind

Post by BDK

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
----------  Reply below  ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

Damn Rockhead, you really need to get some help. I know you won't, and
that's ok with me, as far as getting my laughs from your insanely stupid
claims and theories, but why hasn't your family just decided enough is
enough and forced you into treatment?

Because they're not reading this and he doesn't expose this side of
himself outside of usenet?

Somehow, I doubt he can act the "sort of sane" part well enough to fool
anyone close to him into thinking he's "ok". They probably have just
given up at this point.

[Rocky]

Post by BDK

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

Damn Rockhead, you really need to get some help. I know you won't, and
that's ok with me, as far as getting my laughs from your insanely stupid
claims and theories, but why hasn't your family just decided enough is
enough and forced you into treatment?

Because they're not reading this and he doesn't expose this side of
himself outside of usenet?

========== Reply below ==========

There you go again proving shills of a feather shit together.

If you watch just one video about the 9/11 conspiracy this week it should be
the following:
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory

And the most important part about the following video is how many places do
not contain information about Edna anymore because her waving proved the
fires in the Twin Towers were not as hot as our corrupt government claimed
they were.

Oh ya, you know that WTC7 had people walking around inside it yet it was
still so hot it collaped because of the heat? Strange.

911 Most Photographed Victim

Rocky

[rincewind]

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
----------  Reply below  ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.

[Rocky]

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.

---------- Reply below ----------

And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.

Rocky

[rincewind]

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
----------  Reply below  ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

That's crazy. It got hit with tons of debris from the Tower. So it
would still qualify.
You have no proof of this claim... what am I saying? You have no proof
for ANY of the claims you make.

[Rocky]

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

That's crazy. It got hit with tons of debris from the Tower. So it
would still qualify.
You have no proof of this claim... what am I saying? You have no proof
for ANY of the claims you make.

---------- Reply below ----------

WTC7 was further from WTC1 and WTC2 than you realize. And if you look at
the fires in WTC7 before it came down they were on the exact same two floors
that the SEC files were located on. Do you honestly think that the debris
from the Twin Towers could so specifically target just the two floors that
people wanted destroyed so badly?

As far as Silerstein's confession about when he gave the order to "Pull it."
That was certainly one stupid thing for him to admit but if you consider why
he might have admitted to it then you can also consider what he was careful
not to say.

In other words by looking at what someone confesses to and a few other
things you can make the assumption that Larry knew a lot more than he
admitted to and that could easily be that Larry wanted to make sure he would
get paid for WTC7 before it was destroyed. And that is actually an easy
deduction.

Rocky

[george152]

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

That's crazy. It got hit with tons of debris from the Tower. So it
would still qualify.
You have no proof of this claim... what am I saying? You have no proof
for ANY of the claims you make.
---------- Reply below ----------
WTC7 was further from WTC1 and WTC2 than you realize. And if you look at
the fires in WTC7 before it came down they were on the exact same two floors
that the SEC files were located on. Do you honestly think that the debris
from the Twin Towers could so specifically target just the two floors that
people wanted destroyed so badly?
As far as Silerstein's confession about when he gave the order to "Pull it."
That was certainly one stupid thing for him to admit but if you consider why
he might have admitted to it then you can also consider what he was careful
not to say.
In other words by looking at what someone confesses to and a few other
things you can make the assumption that Larry knew a lot more than he
admitted to and that could easily be that Larry wanted to make sure he would
get paid for WTC7 before it was destroyed. And that is actually an easy
deduction.

Decoder ring

[Doped-up Lefty]

Post by george152
Decoder ring

Well, I've milked it for all it's worth...

ashes to ashes - dust to dust...no, wait!

thump .. thump .. thump, I hear a heartbeat!

Oh No! It's The Thread That Would Not Die...

You WILL want to gouge your own eyes out. You WILL want to eat your
own vomit. You WILL be CONVINCED that all children should be locked
away until they can get a job and buy a clue. Clear your throat,
light a fart, park on a driveway, and become a part of the horror of

............THE THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE!!! .............

[BDK]

In article <485279b8-168c-41d8-a1e2-
***@hg2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, ***@peoplepc.com
says...

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Post by george152
Decoder ring

Well, I've milked it for all it's worth...
ashes to ashes - dust to dust...no, wait!
thump .. thump .. thump, I hear a heartbeat!
Oh No! It's The Thread That Would Not Die...
You WILL want to gouge your own eyes out. You WILL want to eat your
own vomit. You WILL be CONVINCED that all children should be locked
away until they can get a job and buy a clue. Clear your throat,
light a fart, park on a driveway, and become a part of the horror of
............THE THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE!!! .............

LOL, you do need to see a mental health professional, just to confirm,
it's (Kookerism) is terminal.

[rincewind]

Post by george152

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

That's crazy. It got hit with tons of debris from the Tower. So it
would still qualify.
You have no proof of this claim... what am I saying? You have no proof
for ANY of the claims you make.
----------  Reply below  ----------
WTC7 was further from WTC1 and WTC2 than you realize.  And if you look at
the fires in WTC7 before it came down they were on the exact same two floors
that the SEC files were located on.  Do you honestly think that the debris
from the Twin Towers could so specifically target just the two floors that
people wanted destroyed so badly?
As far as Silerstein's confession about when he gave the order to "Pull it."
That was certainly one stupid thing for him to admit but if you consider why
he might have admitted to it then you can also consider what he was careful
not to say.
In other words by looking at what someone confesses to and a few other
things you can make the assumption that Larry knew a lot more than he
admitted to and that could easily be that Larry wanted to make sure he would
get paid for WTC7 before it was destroyed.  And that is actually an easy
deduction.

Decoder ring

I'm sorry, mine melted trying to make sense out of what he said.

[rincewind]

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
----------  Reply below  ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

And you have NOTHING to substantiate that claim. So I guess that means
your record is perfect.

[Rocky]

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

And you have NOTHING to substantiate that claim. So I guess that means
your record is perfect.

---------- Reply below ----------

ROTFLMAO Nothing? Not hardly.

1. I originally thought the jets that rammed the Twin Towers were switched
out in flight somewhere along the line and that still exist as a possibility
because the flight paths of three of the jets placed them in areas without
real good radar coverage and the radar report for the forth jet simply
showed up as missing. But further evidence proves those jets might have
just been topograms in numerous videos and the radar images were placed on
the radar without them really being there just as they did in the concurrent
wargames.

2. The PentaCon was the smoking gun for me because so many things did not
add up like the size of the hole was next to nothing and the first photos of
the PentaCon showed the ground was in perfect shape.

3. I had heard that Flight 93 had landed safely on 9/11/01 and after seeing
videos of Shanksville with nothing there I still believe Flight 93 landed
safely just as news reports had reported it.

4. The collapse of WTC7 was not a smoking gun for me, it was people saying
oops we forgot something better finish this building off before it gets too
late.

Did you ever stop to think it was odd that all the competing networks were
using about the same newsfeed and nobody to this date has been able to
explain just what network was providing the joint feed? The joke is it was
the CIA Network but that joke could be closer to realty than you think.

And here is another weird thing. When another helicopter showed the
approximate location of where joint network video came from there was
nothing there. Since there are so many places that say inside job and
nobody knows who was providing the joint network coverage we have to ask one
more question. How long was the camera or cameras that were recording the
destruction of the Twin Towers up and running? Chances are, if 9/11 really
was an inside job as so much evidence supports then the cameras providing
the joint network coverage could have been there long before the first
explosion in the North Tower.

Considering there is so much supporting evidence that both Rumsfeld and
Cheney were in on a large scale deception where would you be if you knew
what was going down? Chances are they were both watching the destruction of
the North Tower on the same large screen TV.

And what was done to the 9/11 Commission report only helps to confirm the
fact that 9/11 wasn't just an inside job but a large scale deception with
the 9/11 Commission Report being part of the large scale deception.

The following youtube page had 3 very good videos and it was put up just in
time for the recent Toronto Hearings. What the following page does is says
we need a real investigation into 9/11 and not just another appearance of an
investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films

Rocky

[rincewind]

I don't see anything there that constitutes evidence. Just fuel for
paranoid fantasies.

[Crickets]

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think that is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell because of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

And you have NOTHING to substantiate that claim. So I guess that means
your record is perfect.
----------  Reply below  ----------
ROTFLMAO  Nothing?  Not hardly.
1.  I originally thought the jets that rammed the Twin Towers were switched
out in flight somewhere along the line and that still exist as a possibility
because the flight paths of three of the jets placed them in areas without
real good radar coverage and the radar report for the forth jet simply
showed up as missing.  But further evidence proves those jets might have
just been topograms in numerous videos and the radar images were placed on
the radar without them really being there just as they did in the concurrent
wargames.
2.  The PentaCon was the smoking gun for me because so many things did not
add up like the size of the hole was next to nothing and the first photos of
the PentaCon showed the ground was in perfect shape.
3.  I had heard that Flight 93 had landed safely on 9/11/01 and after seeing
videos of Shanksville with nothing there I still believe Flight 93 landed
safely just as news reports had reported it.
4.  The collapse of WTC7 was not a smoking gun for me, it was people saying
oops we forgot something better finish this building off before it gets too
late.
Did you ever stop to think it was odd that all the competing networks were
using about the same newsfeed and nobody to this date has been able to
explain just what network was providing the joint feed?  The joke is it was
the CIA Network but that joke could be closer to realty than you think.
And here is another weird thing.  When another helicopter showed the
approximate location of where joint network video came from there was
nothing there.  Since there are so many places that say inside job and
nobody knows who was providing the joint network coverage we have to ask one
more question.  How long was the camera or cameras that were recording the
destruction of the Twin Towers up and running?  Chances are, if 9/11 really
was an inside job as so much evidence supports then the cameras providing
the joint network coverage could have been there long before the first
explosion in the North Tower.
Considering there is so much supporting evidence that both Rumsfeld and
Cheney were in on a large scale deception where would you be if you knew
what was going down?  Chances are they were both watching the destruction of
the North Tower on the same large screen TV.
And what was done to the 9/11 Commission report only helps to confirm the
fact that 9/11 wasn't just an inside job but a large scale deception with
the 9/11 Commission Report being part of the large scale deception.
The following youtube page had 3 very good videos and it was put up just in
time for the recent Toronto Hearings.  What the following page does is says
we need a real investigation into 9/11 and not just another appearance of an
investigation.
 http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films
Rocky

Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop ................ "the planes."

The planes were not shot down because the planes did not exist.
You can not shoot down planes that are not there.

Your video link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films

...Is the same old redundant ploy to protect the head of the 9-11
snake pssssss psssss pssssss -THE MEDIA- that showed us fake images
of planes that didn't exist.

It has been scientifically proven those four "planes" never took off
and the "passengers" were fakes contrived by the CIA.

psssssss pssssssssss pssssssss
If you step on the 9-11 snake, make sure you step on the head.

REPEAT:

Scientists have proven 9-11 was a military/media black op; therefore,
it's no longer a "conspiracy theory" ... IT'S A FACT, JACK.

So drop your old ploy, Roy, and get yourself free.

[Government Shill #2]

Post by Crickets
Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop ................ "the planes."
The planes were not shot down because

... the "... trillion dollar air defense system..." was not designed to shoot
down domestic passenger jets.

Shill #2
--
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

[Crickets]

Post by Crickets
Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop  ................ "the planes."

103 Suspected 9-11 Criminal Coconspirators
http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html


George W. Bush — eldest son of Bush crime family; guilty of election
fraud in 2000, 2004; guilty of war crimes, war profiteering, treason,
crimes against humanity; likely signed-off on 9-11 plot

Dick Cheney — former PNAC member; former chairman of CFR; guilty of
war profiteering, treason; was in bunker on 9-11 directing several
“war games”; lied to 9-11 Omission Commission about timing of 9-11
activities

Donald Rumsfeld — former Secretary of War and PNAC member; close
friend of Cheney; was at Pentagon on 9-11; once slipped and said “when
that missile hit the Pentagon”

Paul Wolfowitz — Deputy Secretary of War on 9-11; “dual citizen” of
US and Israel; Zionist; investigated for spying for Israel; former
PNAC member; chief architect of Iraq war; forced to resign in World
Bank scandal

Richard Perle — former assistant Secretary of War, chairman War
Policy Board, and PNAC member; “dual citizen” of US and Israel;
Zionist; allegedly gave $100,000 to head of Pakistan’s ISI, Mahmoud
Ahmad; nicknamed “Prince of Darkness”

Douglas Feith — effectively in command, with Wolfowitz, of War
Department on 9-11; Undersecretary of War for Policy; “dual citizen”
of US and Israel; Zionist; investigated for spying for Israel; former
PNAC member

Dov Zakheim — Pentagon comptroller when trillion dollars reported
missing on 9-10-01; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; Shul
Rabbi; former CFR member; former CEO of fly-by-remote manufacturer;
reputed 9-11 mastermind

George Tenet — director of the CIA on 9-11; was awarded the “Medal of
Freedom” by Bush for his fine work on 9-11; reported to be “dual
citizen” of US and Israel

Robert Mueller — FBI director on 9-11; under his “leadership” FBI
field agents’ warnings of an imminent attack were stifled

Thomas Pickard — took over the job of FBI director from Louis Freeh
in August 2001; held this position only for a few weeks before Robert
Mueller became director; former Terror Task Force chief John O’Neill
complained about sabotage by Pickard

Dale Watson — former Deputy Chief of the CIA at the Counter-Terrorist
Center; appointed Inspector Deputy Assistant Director of the National
Security Division (NSD), FBI Headquarters, Washington, DC in July
1998; appointed FBI Headquarters Assistant on December 6, 1999 by the
Attorney General; ignored at least four different FBI agents’
warnings including an “urgent cable” from the CIA on August 23rd about
Almihdhar and Alhazmi

Dave Frasca — FBI Radical Fundamentalists Unit Chief; personally
scuttled the work of Kenneth Williams in July 2001 and Coleen Rowley
in August 2001, the Arizona and Minnesota FBI agents who were actively
investigating “terrorist” patsies in CIA-operated flight schools

Marion “Spike” Bowman — FBI agent who thwarted FBI investigations
into both Zacarias Moussaoui and the anthrax attacks on Congress

John Ashcroft — Attorney General on 9-11; protected “terrorist” patsy
Abdussattar Shaikh from subpoena after 9-11; stopped flying commercial
aircraft in 2001

Michael Chertoff — Assistant Attorney General on 9-11; freed over 100
Israeli spies in the US after 9-11; promoted to head Homeland
Security; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; likely Mossad
agent

Michael Mukasey — federal judge in New York; presided over 1993 WTC
bombing case; active in 9-11 cases, including Larry Silverstein’s
insurance claims; oversaw the detained material witnesses of 9-11,
including five dancing Israeli Mossad agents apprehended by FBI;
recently appointed by Bush to be the next Attorney General; radical
Zionist of Russian Jewish parentage; “dual citizen” of US and Israel

Ted Olson — Solicitor General of the United States on 9-11; alleges
that his wife, Barbara, phoned him from AA Flight 77 to report that it
was highjacked by men with knives and box cutters; Flight 77 allegedly
crashed into the Pentagon though there was no wreckage of a 757 at the
site, no bodies, no luggage, and the hole in the side of the Pentagon
was much too small to accommodate a 757 (Barbara is not likely alive,
but she was not killed at the Pentagon event)

Colin Powell — Secretary of State on 9-11; met with General Mahmoud
Ahmad two days after 9-11; former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff;
helped cover up Vietnam My Lai massacre

Condi Rice — National Security Adviser on 9-11; promoted to Secretary
of State; lied to 9-11 Omission Commission while under oath

Tommy Thompson — Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary; hired
Jerome Hauer, former Office of Emergency Center, on 9-10-01

Jerome Hauer — managing director of Kroll and senior adviser to US
Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) for National Security and
Emergency Management on 9-11; put John O’Neill at the WTC on 9-11;
lied to Dan Rather on CBS News on 9-11 about the controlled demolition
of WTC buildings; director of Giuliani’s Office of Emergency
Management from 1996 to 2000

Porter Goss — former House Intelligence Chair; was meeting with
General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan’s ISI and 9-11 financier, on
9-11; promoted to Director of CIA, resigned after “hookergate”

Bob Graham — former Florida Senator; was meeting with General Mahmoud
Ahmad, head of Pakistan’s ISI and 9-11 financier, on 9-11; ran for
President in 2004

Marc Grossman — Under Secretary for Political Affairs on 9-11; met
with General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan’s ISI and 9-11 financier,
on or shortly after 9-11; “dual citizen” of US and Israel

Richard Armitage — former member of PNAC, Deputy Secretary of State;
met with General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan’s ISI and 9-11
financier, shortly after 9-11

Philip Zelikow — led the 9-11 Cover-Up Commission; personally wrote
the 9-11 Omission Commission Report, a best-selling work of fiction;
appointed Counselor of US Department of State; “dual citizen” of US
and Israel

Ari Fleischer — White House spokesman for Bush on 9-11; “dual
citizen” of US and Israel; connected to the extremist group called the
Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics

Andrew Card — Bush’s Chief of Staff on 9-11; was with Bush at Booker
Elementary School in Florida on 9-11; claims to have whispered to
Bush, “A second plane hit the second tower, America is under attack”

Karl Rove — Bush’s top strategist, known as “Bush’s Brain”; America’s
Joseph Goebbels; was behind the campaign to oust Georgia
Representative Cynthia McKinney who was the first nationally-known
politician to question Bush’s role in 9-11; in June 2005, said,
“Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 in the attacks and prepared
for war, liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to
prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our
attackers”

Richard Meyers — in charge of USA air defenses on 9-11; lied to 9-11
Omission Commission about reasons for air defense failure on 9-11;
promoted to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Ralph Eberhardt — NORAD Commander on 9-11; fanatical supporter of
missile defense scheme, militarization of space; enthusiastic
supporter of merging law enforcement and the military

Larry Arnold — NORAD Commander Major General on 9-11; has used 9-11
to push militarization of USA

Eric Findley — Canadian Air Force Major General; acting commander of
NORAD on 9-11

Montague Winfield — Major General in charge of Pentagon war room on
9-10-01, the evening of September 10th he requested a rookie to stand
in for him on 9-11

Richard Mies — former Admiral; ran Global Guardian “war game” on 9-11
out of US Strategic Command (Stratcom) at Offutt Air Force Base; now
CEO of Hicks & Associates, a “strategic consultant” to the USG dealing
in “military transformation”

Henry Shelton — chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9-11; supported
formation of Able Danger

Peter Schoomaker — US Army Chief of Staff; former SOCOM (Special
Operations Command) chief; ran Able Danger

Geoffrey Lambert — Major General; SOCOM (Special Operations Command)
Intel Chief; made Able Danger, the program that tracked patsy
“terrorists”, off limits to FBI

John Brinkerhoff — retired US Army Colonel who was a career senior
executive in the Office of Secretary of War; from 1981 to 1983, FEMA
associate director for national preparedness where he developed plan
for martial law; claims intentions of Posse Comitatus are
“misunderstood and misapplied”, that USG has “full and absolute
authority” to use troops to quell American uprising; after 9-11,
joined Anser Institute for Homeland Security and wrote “talking
points” supporting revised “national security initiatives” that would
allow imposition of martial law

John Lehman — Reagan’s Navy Secretary from 1981 till 1987; claims US
is in religious war against “violent, Islamic Fundamentalism”; member
9-11 Omission Commission; PNAC member

Tony Gentry — Army Intelligence and Security Command General Counsel;
ordered 2.5 terrabytes of Able Danger data destroyed

Philip Odeen — as director of Program Analysis for the National
Security Council, provided staff support to Henry Kissinger from 1971
to 1973; served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of War in Systems
Analysis; named to chair the National War Panel in 1997; former
president of Reynolds and Reynolds; former CEO and president of BDM
International; executive vice president of Washington operations of
TRW

Elliot Abrams — former member of PNAC, National Security Council;
pleaded guilty in 1991 to lying to Congress about Iran-Contra affair;
“dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist

Lewis “Scooter” Libby — former PNAC member; studied political science
at Yale under Paul Wolfowitz; aid to Cheney; convicted for lying about
outing of Valerie Plame; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist

Jack Abramoff — entertained USG “terrorist” patsy Mohammed Atta on
his yacht just before 9-11; convicted criminal lobbyist; ardent
Zionist

Jeb Bush — Florida governor on 9-11; declared martial law in Florida
four days before 9-11; brother of George Bush; PNAC member; guilty of
election fraud in 2000

Rudolph Giuliani — mayor of New York on 9-11; hailed as “hero” for
his “gutsy” leadership on 9-11; allegedly involved with FEMA and
former NYC Police Chief Kerik in Operation Code Angel

Bernard Kerik — NYC Police Chief on 9-11; “sidekick” of Giuliani;
allegedly involved with FEMA in WTC demolition “war games” called
Operation Code Angel

Lewis Eisenberg — chairman Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
on 9-11; authorized transfer of WTC leases to Silverstein and Lowy
just weeks before 9-11; later appointed chairman of Republican
National Committee; Zionist

Eliot Spitzer — New York Attorney General on 9-11; barred his top
aide, Deputy Attorney General Dietrich Snell, from testifying to
Congress on Able Danger; threw out Karl Schwarz’s 9-11 synopsis

Richard Holbrooke — former US ambassador to UN; CFR member; co-
chaired “Independent Task Force on America’s Response to Terrorism” in
which the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) was promoted

John Deutch — former Undersecretary of War, director of CIA; co-
authored paper, “Catastrophic Terrorism: A National Policy” with
Zelikow, Ashton Carter; senior partner at Global Technology Partners,
an affiliate of Rothschild North America; MIT professor; grandson of
Yonah Fischer, Antwerp diamond merchant who ran Zionist Federation of
Belgium

Ashton Carter — co-authored paper, “Catastrophic Terrorism: A
National Policy” with Zelikow and Deutch; senior partner at Global
Technology Partners, an affiliate of Rothschild North America

Michael Ledeen — became “anti-terrorism” advisor to Secretary of
State, Al Haig in 1981; contacts with mullahs in Iran-Contra affair;
alleged ties to Italian fascist P2 Masonic Lodge; contacts with Libby,
Cheney’s Chief of Staff; top NeoCon(vict) advisor to Bush and Karl
Rove; member AEI (American Enterprise Institute); wrote book extolling
fascism

Abdussattar Shaikh — FBI informant to the San Diego office; helped
bring “terrorist” patsies to USA; protected by Attorney General
Ashcroft

Abdullah Noman — worked for the US Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia;
filed 10-15 visas for the patsy 9-11 “hijackers” in the Visa Express
Program

Daniel Lewin — officer in elite, secret unit of Israeli military
called “Sayeret Matkal”; orchestrated activities of Mossad agents in
USA before 9-11; was allegedly stabbed or “shot” by highjacker Satam
al-Suqami before AA flight 11 crashed into the WTC

Dominic Suter — Mossad agent; his front company, Urban Moving
Systems, employed the five Mossad agents caught celebrating in New
York on 9-11

Sivan Kurzberg — driver of van belonging to the celebrating Israelis;
when stopped by police on 9-11, he said “We are Israelis. We are not
your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are
your problem”

John Gross — one of the lead engineers for the flawed NIST report on
why the WTC buildings collapsed; denies existence of molten steel at
the WTC

Theresa McAllister — edited the flawed NIST report on why the WTC
buildings collapsed

Ronald Hamburger — structural engineer and Senior Principal at
Simpson Gumpertz and Heger consulting engineers in San Francisco; was
a principal author of FEMA’s initial report on the collapse of the
twin towers; later a key participant in the flawed NIST report on why
the WTC buildings collapsed

William Baker — member of FEMA Probe Team; partner with Skidmore,
Owings, Merrill; contributed to the flawed NIST report on why the WTC
buildings collapsed

Harold Nelson — contributed to the flawed NIST report on why the WTC
buildings collapsed

Ramon Gilsanz — contributed to the flawed NIST report on why the WTC
buildings collapsed

Shankar Nair — contributed to the flawed NIST report on why the WTC
buildings collapsed; quoted in Chicago Tribune, September 19, 2001
that “Already there is near-consensus as to the sequence of events
that led to the collapse of the World Trade Center”

Gene Corley — led FEMA/ASCE WTC collapse “investigation”; was the
principal investigator for ASCE and FEMA of the 1995 bombing of the
Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City

Paul Mlakar — part of ASCE team that investigated both WTC and Murrah
Federal building attacks

Mete Sozen — part of ASCE team that investigated both WTC and Murrah
Federal building attacks

Charles Thornton — partner of Richard Tomasetti; told Karl Koch,
whose company erected the WTC steel, “Karl, we all know what caused
the collapse”; part of ASCE team that investigated both WTC and Murrah
Federal building attacks

Richard Tomasetti — partner of Charles Thornton; reportedly behind
the unprecedented and widely criticized decision to destroy most of
the WTC steel evidence

Victor Ganzi — president and CEO of Hearst Corporation since June 1,
2002; the Hearst publication, Popular Mechanics, has repeatedly tried
to debunk the truth of 9-11

Benjamin Chertoff — 25-year-old cousin of Michael Chertoff; senior
“researcher” for Popular Mechanics’ hit piece on 9-11 Truth Movement

Kevin Delaney — FAA manager at the New York Air Route Traffic Control
Center who destroyed controllers’ tapes of 9-11

Marvin Bush — brother of George Bush; on board of Securacom, US-
Kuwaiti company paid $9.2 million to manage WTC security October 1996
to 1998; on board of HCC Insurance, big WTC insurer

Wirt Walker — cousin of George Bush; principal at Securacom, US-
Kuwaiti joint-venture that managed security for WTC, United Airlines,
and Dulles Airport, all of which figured into 9-11

Larry Silverstein — he and partner Frank Lowy obtained 99-year lease
on WTC shortly before 9-11; made several billion dollars on 9-11
insurance fraud; admitted to “pulling” WTC 7; Zionist

Frank Lowy — he and partner Larry Silverstein obtained 99-year lease
on WTC shortly before 9-11; came to Palestine in 1945 from Hungarian
to fight as Golani commando in Israeli “War of Independence”;
Australia’s second richest person; in May 2007, investigated by
Israeli police for corruption scandal involving Israeli Prime Minister
Ehud Olmert; Zionist

David Rockefeller — vice director of the Council on Foreign Relations
(1949-1985), vice president (1950-1970), and chairman (1970-1985); as
chairman of the Downtown-Lower Manhattan Association (1958 to 1975)
was primary builder of WTC complex; founder and honorary chairman of
the Trilateral Commission; president or CEO of Chase Manhattan Bank,
1961 to 1981; 9-11 was the anniversary of 1973 CIA-sponsored coup
plotted by David Rockefeller’s cabal and overseen by Nelson’s protégé
Henry Kissinger that toppled Chile’s President Salvadore Allende

Nicholas Rockefeller — told film-maker Aaron Russo of coming
catastrophic event eleven months before 9-11

Warren Buffett — was hosting golf charity event at the US Strategic
Command headquarters at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha on 9-11 (Bush
flew to Offutt afternoon of 9-11); world’s second richest person

Rupert Murdoch — key player in Zionist-controlled corporate media
which began the 9-11 cover-up on day one; connected to individuals who
privatized and leased WTC just weeks before 9-11; vocal supporter of
Zionist extremists Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon; honored by
leading Zionist organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
and the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), in which Silverstein, Lowy, and
Eisenberg all hold senior positions; Zionist who tries to hide his
Jewish heritage

Maurice Greenberg — CEO of American International Group (AIG) on 9-11
which became co-owner of the “private spy agency”, Kroll Associates,
in 1993 and was a major share-holder in Marsh & McClennan whose CEO on
9-11 was Maurice’s son Jeffrey; director of the New York Federal
Reserve bank (1988-1995); deputy chairman of the Council on Foreign
Relations (CFR) in 1996; major investor in the Blackstone Group

Jules Kroll — founder of Kroll Corporation, a “security services”
company which was in charge of “security” at WTC on 9-11; has close
links to CIA and is active private military contractor in Iraq;
Zionist

Paul Bremer — Marsh & McClennan executive on 9-11; Chairman of the
Congressional National Commission on Terrorism, 1999 to 2000; US
Ambassador-at-Large for Counterterrorism, 1986 to 1989; Presidential
Envoy to Irag and Adminstrator of the Coaltion Provisional Authority,
May 2003 to December 2004

Wallace Hilliard — with Saudi investors including Shiek Kamal Adham,
Adnan Khashoggi, and Prince Nawaf bin Abdul Aziz. bought Venice,
Florida Huffman Aviation in 1999 where Mohammed Atta and other alleged
9-11 highjackers allegedly learned to fly; flight school linked to CIA
firm

Peter Peterson — CEO of the Blackstone Group, parent corporation of
one of three lease-holders for WTC 7 on 9-11; also chairman of the CFR
and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York on 9-11; CEO of the Institute
for International Economics in October 2000

A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard — now number three Executive Director at the
CIA; until 1998, managed firm used to place “put options” on United
Airlines which has left $2.5 million in “profits” unclaimed

Mark Loizeaux — as CEO of CDI was instrumental in “recycling” steel
from WTC crime scene; CDI also buried the rubble from the crime scene
of the Murrah Federal Building

Loring Knoblauch — CEO of Underwriters Labs; said that jet fuel fires
were not “reasonably foreseeable”; resigned suddenly in August 2004
after UL performed tests of WTC floor models where floors did not
collapse and were barely affected

Michael Cherkasky — CEO of Kroll on 9-11; former investigator in the
Manhattan DA’s Office from 1978 to 1994; now CEO of insurance-firm
Marsh & McClennan

Frank Carlucci — former Secretary of War; affiliated with PNAC;
served as chairman of the Carlyle Group (1992-2003); on BoD of BDM
International

William Kristol — PNAC co-founder; adherent of Leo Strauss; editor of
The Weekly Standard; strong advocate of the Iraq war; “dual citizen”
of US and Israel; Zionist

William Perry — former Secretary of War; associated with the
Rothschild's banking empire through Global Technology, a Rothschild
affiliate

James Woolsey — former CIA director; PNAC member; claims
“incompetence” was reason for 9-11

Newt Gingrich — former Speaker of the House; PNAC member; reputed to
be a member of the CFR; served on the Pentagon’s War Policy Board

Henry Kissinger — long criminal history; wanted for war crimes in
several countries; sat on War Policy Board under Perle; chosen to lead
9-11 Cover-Up Omission Commission; “dual citizen” of US and Israel

George H.W. Bush — Bush crime family Don; Skull and Bones; CIA
operative involved in JFK assassination; former head of CIA; son of
friend shot Reagan when he was VP; war profiteer

Tony Blair — British Prime Minister on 9-11; ally and partner in
crime of George Bush; London 7-7 bombings were also “false flag”
operation

Pauline Neville-Jones — International Governor of BBC on 9-11;
Chairman of UK Joint Intelligence Committee (1991-1994); Chairman of
QinetiQ Group, a war technology company with government customers in
UK and USA; Chairman of Information Assurance Advisory Council (IAAC)

Mahmoud Ahmad — head of Pakistan’s ISI; had Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh
wire $100,000 to lead 9-11 “terrorist” patsy Mohammad Atta

Benjamin Netanyahu — former Israeli Prime Minister; said 9-11 was
“good” for US-Israeli relationship; in NYC on 9-11 and in London on
7-7 bombings

Ariel Sharon — Israeli Prime Minister on 9-11; heavy Mossad
involvement in 9-11 (200 Israeli intelligence agents rounded up after
9-11, five Mossad agents arrested filming and celebrating WTC
collapses, employees of Mossad-operated company at WTC notified hours
before plane hit) implicates Sharon; infamous Zionist terrorist and
war criminal; now said to be comatose.

[Government Shill #2]

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Crickets
Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop  ................ "the planes."

... the "... trillion dollar air defense system..." was not designed to shoot
down domestic passenger jets.

There. I fixed it for you.


Shill #2
--
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

[Crickets]

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Crickets
Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop ................ "the planes."

Shill #2
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Hitler was right
About the Jew

They start all the wars
They make us their whores
They call us their "cattle"
While we fight *their* battle


Pentagon JEW
http://www.911missinglinks.com/

Murdered with DEW
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/

"If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower."
-- Adolph Hitler, Landsberg, 5 November 1925
http://www.hitler.org/


If Hitler had won there would be no Communism, no Zionism, no New
World Order, no Committee on Foreign Relations, no Bilderberg Group,
no Carlyle Group, no group sex, no 9-11's, no income tax, and no
corporate-military warpigs gassing us to death slowly with
chemtrails.

...and no Jewish pig-spammers squealing on the internet.

##########################################
##########################################

Rabbit Trails - what a concept!

The entire universe is permeated with 9-11 rabbit trails.

All of the rabbit trails lead to one thing: THE PLANES.

By the way, a "rabbit trail" is a planted false lead that runs
parallel with the truth and seems plausible, but can never be proven
because it's not true. In the meantime, while you're exploring the
rabbit trail thinking you're on to something, the 9-11 terrorists are
growing old living in luxury in mountain-top homes drinking tequila
and laughing their asses off... at you.

It has been proven that the "passengers" don't have birth certificates
or death certificates and their "grieving family members" are actors.

So when you come across an article like the one below that asserts:

"...state-of-the-art systems capable of facilitating precise automated
navigation of the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft used that day..."

Click out! It's a rabbit trail! ...

...designed to protect the Head-Of-The-9-11-Snake, the "Inner-Core of
the CFR," which includes the owners of the major media, corporate
heads of the weapons industry and warmongering Pentagon Brass.

========== WARNING! -- RABBIT TRAIL ============

9/11 Attacks Generated by GPS-Guided U.S. Made Autopilot Systems
Aidan Monaghan (B.Sc., EET) | Journal of 9/11 Studies 3,253 views
October 5, 2008
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/05/articles/911-attacks-generated-by-gps-guided-autopilot-systems/

Because information collected after the terrorist attacks of September
11, 2001 has raised questions about the alleged ability and motivation
of the people accused of piloting four Boeing 757 and 767 planes into
the World Trade Center, the Pentagon building and a field in
Shanksville, Pennsylvania, speculation has since lingered regarding
the covert use of technology to precisely navigate the four airliners
that day without onboard pilot control.

U.S. federal government and civil aviation industry publications
describe the development and implementation pre-September 11, 2001, of
state-of-the-art systems capable of facilitating precise automated
navigation of the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft used that day to a given
destination. .....................<SNIP US GOVERNMENT BULLSHIT>.

[Rocky]

Reply at the very bottom.

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think
that
is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell
because
of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

And you have NOTHING to substantiate that claim. So I guess that means
your record is perfect.
---------- Reply below ----------
ROTFLMAO Nothing? Not hardly.
1. I originally thought the jets that rammed the Twin Towers were switched
out in flight somewhere along the line and that still exist as a possibility
because the flight paths of three of the jets placed them in areas without
real good radar coverage and the radar report for the forth jet simply
showed up as missing. But further evidence proves those jets might have
just been topograms in numerous videos and the radar images were placed on
the radar without them really being there just as they did in the concurrent
wargames.
2. The PentaCon was the smoking gun for me because so many things did not
add up like the size of the hole was next to nothing and the first photos of
the PentaCon showed the ground was in perfect shape.
3. I had heard that Flight 93 had landed safely on 9/11/01 and after
seeing
videos of Shanksville with nothing there I still believe Flight 93 landed
safely just as news reports had reported it.
4. The collapse of WTC7 was not a smoking gun for me, it was people saying
oops we forgot something better finish this building off before it gets too
late.
Did you ever stop to think it was odd that all the competing networks were
using about the same newsfeed and nobody to this date has been able to
explain just what network was providing the joint feed? The joke is it was
the CIA Network but that joke could be closer to realty than you think.
And here is another weird thing. When another helicopter showed the
approximate location of where joint network video came from there was
nothing there. Since there are so many places that say inside job and
nobody knows who was providing the joint network coverage we have to ask one
more question. How long was the camera or cameras that were recording the
destruction of the Twin Towers up and running? Chances are, if 9/11 really
was an inside job as so much evidence supports then the cameras providing
the joint network coverage could have been there long before the first
explosion in the North Tower.
Considering there is so much supporting evidence that both Rumsfeld and
Cheney were in on a large scale deception where would you be if you knew
what was going down? Chances are they were both watching the destruction
of
the North Tower on the same large screen TV.
And what was done to the 9/11 Commission report only helps to confirm the
fact that 9/11 wasn't just an inside job but a large scale deception with
the 9/11 Commission Report being part of the large scale deception.
The following youtube page had 3 very good videos and it was put up just in
time for the recent Toronto Hearings. What the following page does is says
we need a real investigation into 9/11 and not just another appearance of an
investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films
Rocky

Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop ................ "the planes."

The planes were not shot down because the planes did not exist.
You can not shoot down planes that are not there.

Your video link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films

...Is the same old redundant ploy to protect the head of the 9-11
snake pssssss psssss pssssss -THE MEDIA- that showed us fake images
of planes that didn't exist.

It has been scientifically proven those four "planes" never took off
and the "passengers" were fakes contrived by the CIA.

psssssss pssssssssss pssssssss
If you step on the 9-11 snake, make sure you step on the head.

REPEAT:

Scientists have proven 9-11 was a military/media black op; therefore,
it's no longer a "conspiracy theory" ... IT'S A FACT, JACK.

So drop your old ploy, Roy, and get yourself free.

---------- Reply below ----------

The videos at the URL I listed do not say one way or the other if there were
real jets involved. It only points out that three of the four alleged jets
purposely flew out of radar range and it failed to state the radar for the
forth jet showed up missing.

I know 9/11 was a great big hoax from start to finish but I had to watch the
following video before I realized even the story about the two jets in New
York City was complete bullshit.
http://septemberclues.info/

Rocky

[Crickets]

Post by Rocky
Reply at the very bottom.

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by rincewind

Post by Doped-up Lefty
The proof would be if a rocket were placed in orbit about the moon and
took high-resolution (un-doctored) photographs of the landing sites
which showed pictures of the American flags planted, or any other
equipment that was left.

But any pictures they release, you'll claim were doctored.
The only way to prove to you we went to the moon is to take you on the
next mission (whichever country sponsors it) and drop you off at the
Sea of Tranquility so you can walk up to the base of the LM and touch
it yourself. Oh, BTW, no spacesuit, or helmet, we wouldn't want you
claiming there were holograms projected onto the inner surface of your
helmet!
---------- Reply below ----------
Dude, you are the one that thinks a natural collapse will cause a straight
down free fall of a 47 story building for 2.28 seconds and I think
that
is
stupid.
Your masters are Socialist and they only wanted full control of the masses
so they completely destroyed three buildings and then blamed it on someone
else.
Rocky

You're the one who can't realize the building was unstable and losing
vertical supports for three HOURS before finally falling.
---------- Reply below ----------
And you are the one that doesn't realize the only reason WTC7 lasted until
5:20 PM was Larry Silerstein wanted to be sure he was going to be paid for
since it nobody had prepared a video of it getting hit by a jet then played
it on national TV so there would be no way he could claim it fell
because
of
a terrorist attack.
Rocky

And you have NOTHING to substantiate that claim. So I guess that means
your record is perfect.
---------- Reply below ----------
ROTFLMAO Nothing? Not hardly.
1. I originally thought the jets that rammed the Twin Towers were switched
out in flight somewhere along the line and that still exist as a possibility
because the flight paths of three of the jets placed them in areas without
real good radar coverage and the radar report for the forth jet simply
showed up as missing. But further evidence proves those jets might have
just been topograms in numerous videos and the radar images were placed on
the radar without them really being there just as they did in the concurrent
wargames.
2. The PentaCon was the smoking gun for me because so many things did not
add up like the size of the hole was next to nothing and the first photos of
the PentaCon showed the ground was in perfect shape.
3. I had heard that Flight 93 had landed safely on 9/11/01 and after
seeing
videos of Shanksville with nothing there I still believe Flight 93 landed
safely just as news reports had reported it.
4. The collapse of WTC7 was not a smoking gun for me, it was people saying
oops we forgot something better finish this building off before it gets too
late.
Did you ever stop to think it was odd that all the competing networks were
using about the same newsfeed and nobody to this date has been able to
explain just what network was providing the joint feed? The joke is it was
the CIA Network but that joke could be closer to realty than you think.
And here is another weird thing. When another helicopter showed the
approximate location of where joint network video came from there was
nothing there. Since there are so many places that say inside job and
nobody knows who was providing the joint network coverage we have to ask one
more question. How long was the camera or cameras that were recording the
destruction of the Twin Towers up and running? Chances are, if 9/11 really
was an inside job as so much evidence supports then the cameras providing
the joint network coverage could have been there long before the first
explosion in the North Tower.
Considering there is so much supporting evidence that both Rumsfeld and
Cheney were in on a large scale deception where would you be if you knew
what was going down? Chances are they were both watching the destruction
of
the North Tower on the same large screen TV.
And what was done to the 9/11 Commission report only helps to confirm the
fact that 9/11 wasn't just an inside job but a large scale deception with
the 9/11 Commission Report being part of the large scale deception.
The following youtube page had 3 very good videos and it was put up just in
time for the recent Toronto Hearings. What the following page does is says
we need a real investigation into 9/11 and not just another appearance of an
investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films
Rocky

Oh Lord, here we go again, the spooks trying to explain to the
taxpayers why our trillion dollar air defense system did not
stop  ................ "the planes."
The planes were not shot down because the planes did not exist.
You can not shoot down planes that are not there.
 http://www.youtube.com/user/inside911films
 ...Is the same old redundant ploy to protect the head of the 9-11
snake pssssss psssss  pssssss  -THE MEDIA- that showed us fake images
of planes that didn't exist.
It has been scientifically proven those four "planes" never took off
and the "passengers" were fakes contrived by the CIA.
psssssss  pssssssssss  pssssssss
If you step on the 9-11 snake, make sure you step on the head.
Scientists have proven 9-11 was a military/media black op; therefore,
it's no longer a "conspiracy theory"  ... IT'S A FACT, JACK.
So drop your old ploy, Roy, and get yourself free.
----------  Reply below  ----------
The videos at the URL I listed do not say one way or the other if there were
real jets involved.  It only points out that three of the four alleged jets
purposely flew out of radar range and it failed to state the radar for the
forth jet showed up missing.
I know 9/11 was a great big hoax from start to finish but I had to watch the
following video before I realized even the story about the two jets in New
York City was complete bullshit.
 http://septemberclues.info/
Rocky

Put your right index finger on your temple and say airplane backwards.

Children fall for that one every time.

Isn't it rich, aren't we a pair
Me here at last on the ground - and you in mid-air
Send in the planes

Isn't it bliss, don't you approve
One who keeps tearing around - and one who can't move
But where are the planes - send in the planes

Just when I stopped opening doors
Finally finding the one that I wanted - was yours
Making my entrance again with my usual flair
So sure of my lines - then nobody's there

Don't you love a farce; my fault I fear
I thought that you'd want what I want - sorry my dear
But where are the planes - there ought to be planes
Maybe next year

Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
Losing my timing this late in my career
But where are the planes - send in the planes
There's got to be planes



Hear the sledges with the planes -
Silver planes!
What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
In the icy air of night!
While the stars that oversprinkle
All the heavens seem to twinkle
With a crystalline delight;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
From the planes, planes, planes, planes,
Planes, planes, planes -
From the jingling and the tinkling of the planes.

II

Hear the mellow wedding planes -
Golden planes!
What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
Through the balmy air of night
How they ring out their delight!
From the molten-golden notes,
And all in tune,
What a liquid ditty floats
To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
On the moon!
Oh, from out the sounding cells
What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
How it swells!
How it dwells
On the Future! - how it tells
Of the rapture that impels
To the swinging and the ringing
Of the planes, planes, planes
Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
Planes, planes, planes -
To the rhyming and the chiming of the planes!

III

Hear the loud alarum planes -
Brazen planes!
What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
In the startled ear of night
How they scream out their affright!
Too much horrified to speak,
They can only shriek, shriek,
Out of tune,
In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
Leaping higher, higher, higher,
With a desperate desire,
And a resolute endeavor
Now - now to sit or never,
By the side of the pale-faced moon.
Oh, the planes, planes, planes!
What a tale their terror tells
Of despair!
How they clang, and clash, and roar!
What a horror they outpour
On the bosom of the palpitating air!
Yet the ear it fully knows,
By the twanging
And the clanging,
How the danger ebbs and flows;
Yet the ear distinctly tells,
In the jangling
And the wrangling,
How the danger sinks and swells,
By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the planes -
Of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
Planes, planes, planes -
In the clamor and the clangor of the planes!

IV

Hear the tolling of the planes -
Iron planes!
What a world of solemn thought their monody compels!
In the silence of the night,
How we shiver with affright
At the melancholy menace of their tone!
For every sound that floats
From the rust within their throats
Is a groan.
And the people -ah, the people -
They that dwell up in the steeple,
All alone,
And who tolling, tolling, tolling,
In that muffled monotone,
Feel a glory in so rolling
On the human heart a stone -
They are neither man nor woman -
They are neither brute nor human -
They are Ghouls:
And their king it is who tolls;
And he rolls, rolls, rolls,
Rolls
A paean from the planes!
And his merry bosom swells
With the paean of the planes!
And he dances, and he yells;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the paean of the planes,
Of the planes -
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the throbbing of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes -
To the sobbing of the planes;
Keeping time, time, time,
As he knells, knells, knells,
In a happy Runic rhyme,
To the rolling of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes -
To the tolling of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes, planes -
Planes, planes, planes -
To the moaning and the groaning of the planes.

[Reaper G]

Post by rincewind
1.  I originally thought the jets that rammed the Twin Towers were switched
out in flight somewhere along the line and that still exist as a possibility
because the flight paths of three of the jets placed them in areas without
real good radar coverage and the radar report for the forth jet simply
showed up as missing.  But further evidence proves those jets might have
just been topograms in numerous videos and the radar images were placed on
the radar without them really being there just as they did in the concurrent
wargames.
2.  The PentaCon was the smoking gun for me because so many things did not
add up like the size of the hole was next to nothing and the first photos of
the PentaCon showed the ground was in perfect shape.
3.  I had heard that Flight 93 had landed safely on 9/11/01 and after seeing
videos of Shanksville with nothing there I still believe Flight 93 landed
safely just as news reports had reported it.
4.  The collapse of WTC7 was not a smoking gun for me, it was people saying
oops we forgot something better finish this building off before it gets too
late.
Did you ever stop to think

You haven't, apparently.

1. A demolition team would have had to take months to install
explosives in the WTC without anyone noticing.

2. Another team would have had to know who was on those flights, have
their home phone numbers, and be able to imitate their voices over
cell phones that supposedly can't be used in the air.

3. If a missile hit the Pentagon, what happened to the passengers on
Flight 77?

4. If the government could fake all these things, all for the purpose
of invading Iraq, wouldn't they also have found bogus weapons of mass
destruction for us to find there?

5. After ten years, wouldn't one of the hundreds of people involved in
this alleged conspiracy have come forth and spilled the beans?

6. The 9/11 "Truth" conspiracy is defeated by its own massive size.

[Ernie]

LOL! the face on mars is more clear than that, even the "bad" face of later
years.
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On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my
satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know. It's more government lies.
http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.
And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography. Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.
There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon. All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).
They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon. If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.
Find out the TRUTH about "Tricky" Dick Nixon's moon
hoax:http://www.moonmovie.com/

.
.
Re: They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of
the American flag on the moon because they know there is no American
flag on the moon. If there was, they would take a picture of it.

Give us a link to the "excuses" for no pictures. And while you
scramble around doing that task, take a look at:

http://apple.copydesk.org/uploads/2011/09/1109LunarRaw.jpg

But....knowing the mindset of the Lunar Deniers, you will claim the
photo has been faked.

Dream on.

[BDK]

In article <4ed6885b-dc72-4057-b728-
***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, ***@peoplepc.com
says...

Post by Doped-up Lefty

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

  Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know. It's more government lies.
http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.
And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography. Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.
There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon. All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).
They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon. If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.
http://www.moonmovie.com/

You're a good example of why it's called "dope".

[Doped-up Lefty]

Post by BDK
In article <4ed6885b-dc72-4057-b728-
says...

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know.  It's more government lies.
http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.
And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography.  Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.
There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon.  All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).
They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon.  If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.
http://www.moonmovie.com/

You're a good example of why it's called "dope".

You've already made fun of my name.

Come up with something new, BD Kooky, named after a dog.

Bow wow wow. Nip at my heels, little puppy troll.

Post by BDK
--
BD Kooky - Top of the government shit heap for over 100 years.

[BDK]

In article <788ee69f-1fdb-484b-a984-91b59350fa83
@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, ***@peoplepc.com says...

Post by Doped-up Lefty

Post by BDK
In article <4ed6885b-dc72-4057-b728-
says...

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know.  It's more government lies.
http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.
And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography.  Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.
There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon.  All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).
They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon.  If there was, they would take a picture of it.
Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.
http://www.moonmovie.com/

You're a good example of why it's called "dope".

You've already made fun of my name.
Come up with something new, BD Kooky, named after a dog.
Bow wow wow. Nip at my heels, little puppy troll.

Post by BDK
--
BD Kooky - Top of the government shit heap for over 100 years.

LOL, a doper moron with an inflated ego too?

Wow, is "LOSER" painted on your head?

[Ernie]

you are correct! Ernie
--
Hi, I'm Harry the Hairy One. I'm the mascot for The Hairloss Solution®.
I'm the hairiest "1" you'll ever meet:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4717/ernieplug.png

And don't forget my other mascot, Plucky aka Plucky McPluck Pluck:
http://imageshack.us/f/199/mascotxn.jpg

On 9/09/2011 11:12 p.m., Ernie wrote:> That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie

Post by Doped-up Lefty
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....

Yeah, I know. It's more government lies.

http://tinyurl.com/3hrrbh5

If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.

And look how NASA is trying to *prove* it, with more trick
photography. Jarrah White exposed NASA's doctoring pictures from the
Japanese probe, so it's more trickery.

There is a way NASA could *prove* they put men on the moon. All they
have to is point Hubble at the Sea of Tranquility and take a picture
of that American flag (that fluttered in the breeze and which is now
stored at Area 51).

They make up technical excuses why they can't take a picture of the
American flag on the moon because they know there is no American flag
on the moon. If there was, they would take a picture of it.

Men never went to the moon, and probably never will.

Find out the TRUTH about "Tricky" Dick Nixon's moon hoax:
http://www.moonmovie.com/

[rincewind]

Post by Doped-up Lefty
If men really went to the moon, it would be obvious, and NASA wouldn't
have to constantly be trying to *prove* it.

How? How would it be "obvious" to us sitting here on Earth that
there'd been bases on the Moon?

[Ernie]

bullshit photos
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I'm the hairiest "1" you'll ever meet:
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And don't forget my other mascot, Plucky aka Plucky McPluck Pluck:
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Post by george152

Post by Ernie
That proves it to my satisfaction. Ernie
It's a conspiracy theory men went to the moon because it hasn't been
proven yet, and never will be.

Wrong. They have just released high definition film that shows
everything, tracks, landing stages and equipment left at the site....