If the election was held today, I would vote for Obama because the Republicans have got NOTHING to offer.

In article <19aa507f-4b78-4955-ab0c-

Obama sucks penises too.
TMT

So you wanna be like Obama, eh?

Wayne

2012-06-21 16:14:15 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Less than five months to go and the Republicans have absolutely
NOTHING to offer.
Even the Republicans in private will admit it...the GOP is in
shambles.
Obama gets my vote at this time.
TMT

In that case, you prove yourself to be dumber than we all thought.

Without enumerating the qualifications of Romney, or any other republican,
one thing is certain:

He is NOT Obama.

That should be enough to get any rational person to vote republican. In
this case, the devil we know is considerably worse than devils we don't
know.

Rachel Bolan

2012-06-21 16:24:49 UTC

In that case, you prove yourself to be dumber than we all thought.

<^^^^

Impossible!

pyotr filipivich

2012-06-21 21:36:40 UTC

Post by Wayne

In that case, you prove yourself to be dumber than we all thought.
Without enumerating the qualifications of Romney, or any other republican,
He is NOT Obama.
That should be enough to get any rational person

Which leave TMT out of consideration. As TMT has gone far out of
his way to prove that she is not a rational entity in any "rational"
sense of the term.

Post by Wayne
to vote republican. In this case, the devil we know is considerably worse than devils we don't
know.

... but enough about Chris Matthews.

tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
Obi-wan once observed"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."
Who knew Dubya was a Jedi Knight?

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-21 22:49:09 UTC

Bitch and whine, bitch and whine...that is all Republicans are good
at.

How about getting us a Republican worthy of being President?

Keep screwing around and Obama WILL be reelected.

TMT

brad herschel

2012-06-22 00:04:18 UTC

I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

2012-06-22 00:18:08 UTC

Given nothing but the title of this thread, I'd say the Democraps have even
_less_ to offer than that!

Lloyd

Dennis M

2012-06-22 00:18:24 UTC

In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

Harold Burton

2012-06-22 01:06:27 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer . . .

Maybe Bill Clinton was his hero.

Snicker

Hawke

2012-06-22 22:14:11 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

If anyone is a jigaboo it's Cain. He comes across as a dumb uncle Tom
even though he is actually quite intelligent, at least as far as math
goes. But then lots of people that are really good at math aren't
particularly good at anything else.

Hawke

Oglethorpe

2012-06-23 01:50:12 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

If anyone is a jigaboo it's Cain.

If anyone's a racist piece of shit - it's you.

Hawke

2012-06-23 00:30:39 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

If anyone is a jigaboo it's Cain.

If anyone's a racist piece of shit - it's you.

You folks started it, not me. See where it says "I would never vote for
a mongrel jig like Obama"? That's your side. If Obama is a jig that
means Cain is one damn black jungle Jigaboo. Take that you white
supremacist, racist!

Hawke

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-24 00:48:11 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

If anyone is a jigaboo it's Cain.

If anyone's a racist piece of shit - it's you.

LOL...so says the Conservative Turd.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

Harold Burton

2012-06-24 01:06:00 UTC

In article

LOL...so says the . . . Turd.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

snickr

STEADY EDDY

2012-06-29 03:20:50 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

If anyone is a jigaboo it's Cain.

If anyone's a racist piece of shit - it's you.

I would like to see Hawke call some black dude in Oakland a jig.

Gunner Asch

2012-06-24 05:42:33 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

Well the Obamassiah is 50% white, 44% middle eastern, and only 6%
black..so he isnt a mongrel?

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

Gunner Asch

2012-06-24 16:08:32 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

What..you mean you didnt vote for Bill Clinton?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Leftwingers..mentally ill, everyone of them

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

Flint

2012-06-26 03:49:43 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

Yeah, right...and the first black president WASN'T a serial adulterer,
right?

--
MFB

Flint

2012-06-26 03:52:09 UTC

Post by Slick Willy
In article

Post by brad herschel
I would support a Black candidate like Herman Cain. I would never
voter for a mongrel jig like Obama.

Isn't that precious, Cain is a serial adulterer and you call Obama a mongrel.

Yeah, right...and the first black president WASN'T a serial adulterer,
right?

BTW, I was referring to Clinton...

--
MFB

Hawke

2012-06-22 00:20:35 UTC

Bitch and whine, bitch and whine...that is all Republicans are good
at.
How about getting us a Republican worthy of being President?
Keep screwing around and Obama WILL be reelected.
TMT

Of course he will. Romney is a horrible candidate. He's almost as bad a
candidate as Bob Dole or John McCain. That's the problem. These
republicans are simply very poor candidates. Romney is one of the 1%
that most Americans think are responsible for their own bad economic
situation. It was only four years ago that the republican presided over
the worst financial collapse since the Depression. We haven't forgotten
that already. We know who was running things when that happened. Romney
keeps saying he wants to do the same things Bush did. How can anyone
want to see that again? We don't have enough crazy people in the country
to want another Bush type presidency. The result; Obama wins a second
term, and the country and the economy will be all the better for it.

Hawke

F. George McDuffee

2012-06-22 01:42:21 UTC

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:20:35 -0700, Hawke
<***@digitalpath.net> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Hawke
We don't have enough crazy people in the country
to want another Bush type presidency. The result; Obama wins a second
term, and the country and the economy will be all the better for it.

<snip>

One of the main reasons Obama was elected was to avoid
Bush-III. What the people got was Carter-II. The choices
now seem to be reduced to Bush-III or Carter-III.

May god help the Republic...

--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

F. George McDuffee

2012-06-22 05:55:34 UTC

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:42:21 -0500, F. George McDuffee
<***@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
<snip>

<snip>
One of the main reasons Obama was elected was to avoid
Bush-III. What the people got was Carter-II. The choices
now seem to be reduced to Bush-III or Carter-III.

<snip>

A long (c. 2 hr) video of interest -- one man's insight into
what has gone so wrong.

--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-22 18:29:21 UTC

<snip>>> We don't have enough crazy people in the country

Post by Hawke
to want another Bush type presidency. The result; Obama wins a second
term, and the country and the economy will be all the better for it.

<snip>
One of the main reasons Obama was elected was to avoid
Bush-III. What the people got was Carter-II. The choices
now seem to be reduced to Bush-III or Carter-III.

<snip>
A long (c. 2 hr) video of interest -- one man's insight into
what has gone so wrong.
http://youtu.be/n30zO0ABFqc
--
Unka' George
"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"
-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

I disagree George.

When Obama was elected, we were economically in freefall headed into
The Great Depression 2.0....a death spiral.

He and his policies have been able to stay the death spiral and the
Country has slowly climbed out of it.

Even now as growth slows there is no expectation of a second
recession.

To me that is very impressive results considering the dead weight the
Republicans have been...whining and bitching all the way...what a
bunch of pikers.

Remember those Bush tax cuts that the Republicans made the Country
take....500 BILLION dollars of revenue lost when the Country needs it
the most.

All of this on the Republicans.

They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

TMT

Hawke

2012-06-22 22:19:20 UTC

<snip>>> We don't have enough crazy people in the country

Post by Hawke
to want another Bush type presidency. The result; Obama wins a second
term, and the country and the economy will be all the better for it.

<snip>
One of the main reasons Obama was elected was to avoid
Bush-III. What the people got was Carter-II. The choices
now seem to be reduced to Bush-III or Carter-III.

I disagree George.
When Obama was elected, we were economically in freefall headed into
The Great Depression 2.0....a death spiral.
He and his policies have been able to stay the death spiral and the
Country has slowly climbed out of it.
Even now as growth slows there is no expectation of a second
recession.
To me that is very impressive results considering the dead weight the
Republicans have been...whining and bitching all the way...what a
bunch of pikers.
Remember those Bush tax cuts that the Republicans made the Country
take....500 BILLION dollars of revenue lost when the Country needs it
the most.
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up. Americans
have lost 40% of their entire wealth and instead of taking it out on the
rich and the republicans they blame public workers like firemen,
policemen, and teachers. I must say the propaganda from the right has
worked better than anticipated. It has convinced about half the
population that workers of their own class are their enemies and that
the 1% are their friends. It's hard to believe so many can be so dumb
but that's the way it is.

Hawke

George Plimpton

2012-06-22 22:34:50 UTC

Post by F. George McDuffee
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:42:21 -0500, F. George
<snip>>> We don't have enough crazy people in the country

Post by Hawke
to want another Bush type presidency. The result; Obama wins a second
term, and the country and the economy will be all the better for it.

<snip>
One of the main reasons Obama was elected was to avoid
Bush-III. What the people got was Carter-II. The choices
now seem to be reduced to Bush-III or Carter-III.

I disagree George.
When Obama was elected, we were economically in freefall headed into
The Great Depression 2.0....a death spiral.
He and his policies have been able to stay the death spiral and the
Country has slowly climbed out of it.
Even now as growth slows there is no expectation of a second
recession.
To me that is very impressive results considering the dead weight the
Republicans have been...whining and bitching all the way...what a
bunch of pikers.
Remember those Bush tax cuts that the Republicans made the Country
take....500 BILLION dollars of revenue lost when the Country needs it
the most.
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

Hawke

2012-06-23 00:27:31 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that.
Everyone else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs but they played a minor role
in the financial mess. But you have to blame everything on your
opposition and accept none for your side. That has a lot to do with your
basic lack of fairness.

Hawke

George Plimpton

2012-06-23 00:33:42 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs but they played a minor role
in the financial mess.

They played a *HUGE* role in it.

Hawke

2012-06-23 20:37:30 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out says that the majority of Americans hold
Bush and his party responsible for the financial mess we're in. TMT has
mentioned this poll too. I've seen it. It's clear who the public holds
responsible for the mess. Is it any wonder you are in the minority? Not
to me. You probably don't think we actually landed on the moon either.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets from 2001
all the way up to 2007. Anything that went wrong happened in that time
period. There is no rational way you can make the crisis the work of the
Democrats when the republicans held all the power when the decisions
that created the mess were made. The decisions that ruined us were made
by the republicans. They were in power. End of story. You just have to
blame someone else but them.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

Just about ALL financial institutions abandoned responsible lending
practices during that period. Is that the work of the Democrats too? We
know that the republicans forced deregulation on the financial industry
and that lack of regulation allowed them to get away with the
irresponsible lending. That WAS the work of the republicans. They told
the lenders that there were no rules they would enforce and do whatever
you want. We saw how that turned out.

Post by Hawke
You can try to blame everything on the GSEs but they played a minor role
in the financial mess.

They played a *HUGE* role in it.

No, they didn't. Try reading a book on the problem. It was all brought
on by the lax regulations that the republicans gave us. Investment banks
were lending from 44 to 100 times what they had in reserve. They were
accidents waiting to happen. All because nobody was watching them. That
came straight from the top. No rules and no regulations. Do whatever you
want to make money. See how that works. We told you so. You folks never
listen. Never learn either.

Hawke

George Plimpton

2012-06-23 21:04:16 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out

Bullshit. Otherwise, you'd identify it.

You didn't read anything about any such poll.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets

No, they did not have control of the mortgage markets, you fucking
shitworm. *Democrats* had control of the levers of government - *all*
of them - when laws and regulations were put in place forcing lenders to
lend to down-market scum who couldn't afford their houses. It was in
pursuit of something the *Democrats* wanted to do. It was fuckwitted
egalitarianism run amok.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced
the GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

Just about ALL financial institutions abandoned responsible lending
practices during that period.

Because the fucking *Democrats* put rules in place that forced them to
do so.

Post by Hawke
You can try to blame everything on the GSEs but they played a minor role
in the financial mess.

They played a *HUGE* role in it.

No, they didn't.

Yes, they did.

jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@

2012-06-23 22:44:07 UTC

Post by Hawke
Just about ALL financial institutions abandoned responsible lending
practices during that period.

Because the fucking *Democrats* put rules in place that forced them to
do so.

Those are your fantasies. You can't actually identify a single
rule that compelled banks to abandon responsible lending.

Hawke

2012-06-25 17:50:18 UTC

Post by Hawke
Just about ALL financial institutions abandoned responsible lending
practices during that period.

Because the fucking *Democrats* put rules in place that forced them to
do so.

Those are your fantasies. You can't actually identify a single
rule that compelled banks to abandon responsible lending.

I don't know what his problem is but he's gone off the deep end. He just
keeps insisting that things happened the way he thinks they did even
though it's easy enough to check the facts, which show he's wrong.
Lending to low income families didn't have any effect on the financial
crisis and while Fanny and Freddy were badly mismanaged and did play
some role in the financial crisis, they sure weren't a large part of it.
As all the evidence shows, it was Wall Street and deregulation that were
at the heart of the crisis. You can't tell that to Pimpton and he seems
to have no access to the facts. I think he's lost his job and has
started to drink heavily. He's making no sense at all anymore. Before he
was abrasive and abusive but not irrational but now he seems to have
completely lost his wits.

Hawke

Oglethorpe

2012-06-26 05:45:18 UTC

Post by Hawke
Just about ALL financial institutions abandoned responsible lending
practices during that period.

Because the fucking *Democrats* put rules in place that forced them to
do so.

Those are your fantasies. You can't actually identify a single
rule that compelled banks to abandon responsible lending.

I don't know what his problem is but he's gone off the deep end.

Y'all have. Have you heard of Rapid Rescore?

Hawke

2012-06-25 17:40:42 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out

Bullshit. Otherwise, you'd identify it.
You didn't read anything about any such poll.

Ask TMT what the poll is, he knows about it too. I've seen the results
on several television shows. It says something like 59% of Americans
blame Bush for the bad economy. The one sure thing is that you are
ignorant of it. Remember where you said you wouldn't give a citation?
Well, I told you quite a while ago I was through giving you any because
you just ignore them when I do. You don't really want them anyway.
You're just too damn dumb to know what the rest of us do.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets

None of that happened. You're making it up. All the Democrats did was to
tell the lenders they had to start being more fair to lower income
households when it came to lending. It's also true that the housing
problems were largely avoided by this group of borrowers. They were not
the reason we had problems in the markets. It was the unregulated market
that failed just like it does every time fools like the republicans
eliminate the rules and regulations.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced
the GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You're in error. That isn't what happened. It was lenders gone wild that
caused the system to fail. It wasn't the borrowers fault. It was the
lenders who blew it. They controlled who they lent money to and they
gave it to anyone with a pulse. So blame those who aren't to blame.
That's what you always do anyway.

Post by Hawke
Just about ALL financial institutions abandoned responsible lending
practices during that period.

Because the fucking *Democrats* put rules in place that forced them to
do so.

The government didn't make lenders like Countrywide give loans to people
with no jobs, no money, and no down payment. They did that on their own
volition and that is what caused the failure. It was their irresponsible
lending that messed things up not the government forcing them to make
more loans to the poor.

Post by Hawke
You can try to blame everything on the GSEs but they played a minor role
in the financial mess.

They played a *HUGE* role in it.

No, they didn't.

Yes, they did.

You can deny it all you like but you can't prove a thing you allege. In
fact that is all you do is make wild claims and they say yes the did.
You haven't a leg to stand on for anything you say. You're ignorant,
irrelevant, and a lightweight, that doesn't know what the hell you are
talking about. Uneducated too.

Hawke

Oglethorpe

2012-06-24 06:25:06 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out says that the majority of Americans hold Bush
and his party responsible for the financial mess we're in. TMT has
mentioned this poll too. I've seen it. It's clear who the public holds
responsible for the mess. Is it any wonder you are in the minority? Not to
me. You probably don't think we actually landed on the moon either.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets from 2001 all
the way up to 2007.

NOPE.

Hawke

2012-06-25 17:51:52 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out says that the majority of Americans hold Bush
and his party responsible for the financial mess we're in. TMT has
mentioned this poll too. I've seen it. It's clear who the public holds
responsible for the mess. Is it any wonder you are in the minority? Not to
me. You probably don't think we actually landed on the moon either.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets from 2001 all
the way up to 2007.

NOPE.

They controlled every branch of the government. That's a fact. That
means they were in control of the markets too. Sorry to break the news
to you.

Hawke

Oglethorpe

2012-06-26 05:44:13 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out says that the majority of Americans hold Bush
and his party responsible for the financial mess we're in. TMT has
mentioned this poll too. I've seen it. It's clear who the public holds
responsible for the mess. Is it any wonder you are in the minority? Not to
me. You probably don't think we actually landed on the moon either.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets from 2001 all
the way up to 2007.

NOPE.

They controlled every branch of the government.

NOPE.

pyotr filipivich

2012-06-26 05:06:42 UTC

Let the Record show that "Oglethorpe" <***@go.com> on or about
Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:44:13 -0700 did write, type or otherwise cause to

Post by Hawke
That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No,

A recent poll that came out says that the majority of Americans hold Bush
and his party responsible for the financial mess we're in. TMT has
mentioned this poll too. I've seen it. It's clear who the public holds
responsible for the mess. Is it any wonder you are in the minority? Not to
me. You probably don't think we actually landed on the moon either.

Post by George Plimpton
Yes. The Democrats fucked up the mortgage market, leading to the
collapse of the financial system and then the near collapse of the economy.

We know the republicans had control of the mortgage markets from 2001 all
the way up to 2007.

NOPE.

They controlled every branch of the government.

NOPE.

Shhhhh. The Hawke believes that, because Obi Juan Dubya has the
secret orbital mind control devices.
Don't anyone tell him that Senator Harry Reid (D-Casinos) is a
Mormon.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.

Oglethorpe

2012-06-23 03:19:25 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

Fannie/Freddie held lavish seminars in resort locations where they taught
mortgage brokers how to rapid rescore unqualified borrowersso they'd
temporarily qualify for mortages they had no hope of ever repaying. Then
Fannie/Freddie bought up those bad mortgages like they were hotcakes and
sold them as AAA US Govt guaranteed securities.

George Plimpton

2012-06-23 01:47:08 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

The biggest problem is that the GSEs abandoned any pretense of sound
underwriting criteria.

In 1999, Fannie Mae [and Freddie Mac, of course] came under
pressure from the Clinton administration to expand mortgage loans
to low and moderate income borrowers by increasing the ratios of
their loan portfolios in distressed inner city areas designated in
the CRA of 1977. Additionally, institutions in the primary
mortgage market pressed Fannie Mae to ease credit requirements on
the mortgages it was willing to purchase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae

Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a
share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently
re-exposed document shows that his administration went to
ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It
promoted paper-thin downpayments and pushed for ways to get
lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky
financing and incomes. It’s clear now that the erosion of lending
standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to
waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in
the first place.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html

"In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among
minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is
easing credit requirements on loans that it will purchase . . .
[to] encourage . . . banks to extend home mortgages to individuals
whose credit is generally not good . . . . Fannie Mae is taking on
significantly more risk."

~ New York Times, September 30, 1999

Hawke

2012-06-23 20:40:24 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

Why not? Rating agencies like Moody's and Standard & Poors were telling
them those investments were triple A rated. They depended on that just
like everybody else did. Nobody was watching the rating agencies either.
But why would they? republicans weren't watching any business. They
thought it was best to let business do anything it wanted. That was
wrong wasn't it?

Hawke

George Plimpton

2012-06-23 21:05:29 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

Why not?

Because the mortgages were shit, that's why not. The government forced
lenders to make loans to Carter/Clinton/Obama voters who simply had no
business trying to buy a house. They had shitty credit and shittier
prospects of paying the mortgage.

jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@

2012-06-24 00:40:20 UTC

Post by Oglethorpe
Fannie/Freddie held lavish seminars in resort locations where they taught
mortgage brokers how to rapid rescore unqualified borrowersso they'd
temporarily qualify for mortages they had no hope of ever repaying. Then
Fannie/Freddie bought up those bad mortgages like they were hotcakes and
sold them as AAA US Govt guaranteed securities.

Seminars on how to rescore erroneous credit ratings are
still held. Rescoring is a process of correcting errors
in credit scores. Errors are common and there is nothing
underhanded about correcting them.

Post by Hawke
Why not?

Because the mortgages were shit, that's why not.

And how were Fannie and Freddie supposed to know that?
The rating agencies were hired by the mortgage originators and
so were the real estate appraisers and the credit checks on borrowers.
Fannie and Freddie had no access to the specific loan content
of bundled loans other than the paperwork submitted by the mortgage
originators, credit agencies and appraisers.

Post by George Plimpton
The government forced
lenders to make loans to Carter/Clinton/Obama voters who simply had no
business trying to buy a house.

Where are these regulations/rules you
keep saying exist?

Hawke

2012-06-25 17:55:29 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

Why not?

Then tell us what the default level is for loans to people in that
group. You need to find that out because if you ever do it will show you
that they have a better record than just about any other group when it
comes to keeping up with their payments. You're operating under a false
premise so everything you allege is wrong. That's the mark of someone
who is both stupid and uninformed.

Hawke

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-24 00:46:51 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

No they did not.

The banks raped America all on their own.

Your 1% butt buddies did it to YOU...did they call you in the morning?

TMT

Harold Burton

2012-06-24 02:22:10 UTC

In article

Post by Too_Many_Tools
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

That's because half the country is so damned dumb that they don't even
know it was the republicans' fault that we got so fucked up.

Actually, they know that it is, of course, the fault of the Democrats.

No, only you and the most rabid right wing zealots believe that. Everyone
else knows the republicans did it all by themselves.

Post by George Plimpton
The Democrats are the ones who foisted CRA on the country and forced the
GSEs to abandon responsible lending practices.

You can try to blame everything on the GSEs

No they did not.

Sure they did, and you're idiotic denial doesn't change that.

snicker

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-23 03:45:29 UTC

<snip>>> We don't have enough crazy people in the country

Post by Hawke
to want another Bush type presidency. The result; Obama wins a second
term, and the country and the economy will be all the better for it.

<snip>
One of the main reasons Obama was elected was to avoid
Bush-III. What the people got was Carter-II. The choices
now seem to be reduced to Bush-III or Carter-III.

I disagree George.
When Obama was elected, we were economically in freefall headed into
The Great Depression 2.0....a death spiral.
He and his policies have been able to stay the death spiral and the
Country has slowly climbed out of it.
Even now as growth slows there is no expectation of a second
recession.
To me that is very impressive results considering the dead weight the
Republicans have been...whining and bitching all the way...what a
bunch of pikers.
Remember those Bush tax cuts that the Republicans made the Country
take....500 BILLION dollars of revenue lost when the Country needs it
the most.
All of this on the Republicans.
They are lucky that they haven't been lynched by America for what they
have done to this Country..

Conservatives have always been slow learners...if they learn at all.

The conservative posters here on Usenet show us that every day.

TMT

F. George McDuffee

2012-06-24 02:28:23 UTC

On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:
<Snip>

Post by Too_Many_Tools
He and his policies have been able to stay the death spiral and the
Country has slowly climbed out of it.

<snip>

Although this is the current media line, what has been
bailed out at a treasury cost of trillions per year [much
larger amounts through the FRB] has been the TBTF banks and
corporations. While the directors and officers of these
companies seem to be doing quite well, little to nothing
seems to be "trickling down."

This does not appear to be a Republican or Democrat
responsibility, but rather a bipartisan joint accountability
for not only failing to enact legislation to control market
manipulation, speculation and profiteering, but actively
discouraging the regulatory agencies such as the FDIC, SEC,
CFTC, and many others from enforcing the most basic
restrictions, e.g. MF Global, to do so.

For some unpleasant truths that may remove some of your (and
our other posters) delusions and/or wishful thinking, see a
long video (1:22:23)
at

--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

Hawke

2012-06-25 18:01:28 UTC

Post by F. George McDuffee
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<Snip>

Post by Too_Many_Tools
He and his policies have been able to stay the death spiral and the
Country has slowly climbed out of it.

<snip>
Although this is the current media line, what has been
bailed out at a treasury cost of trillions per year [much
larger amounts through the FRB] has been the TBTF banks and
corporations. While the directors and officers of these
companies seem to be doing quite well, little to nothing
seems to be "trickling down."
This does not appear to be a Republican or Democrat
responsibility, but rather a bipartisan joint accountability
for not only failing to enact legislation to control market
manipulation, speculation and profiteering, but actively
discouraging the regulatory agencies such as the FDIC, SEC,
CFTC, and many others from enforcing the most basic
restrictions, e.g. MF Global, to do so.
For some unpleasant truths that may remove some of your (and
our other posters) delusions and/or wishful thinking, see a
long video (1:22:23)
at http://youtu.be/_EpeF1fcji0

I'm reading Chris Hedges book Death of the Liberal Class right now.
You're right that not much is really being done to either punish or reel
in the same culprits that did us in. But that only goes to show how
their power has made them immune to government control, and having the
republican party working to stop any regulation of their industry makes
it nearly impossible to do anything to keep them from doing things just
the way they did they in the past. In other words, we're still screwed
even with Obama in the White House. People don't seem to know it but
there are definite limits to what a president can do. Obama has learned
that in spades.

Hawke

jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@

2012-06-26 21:47:53 UTC

Post by Hawke
I'm reading Chris Hedges book Death of the Liberal Class right now.
You're right that not much is really being done to either punish or reel
in the same culprits that did us in. But that only goes to show how
their power has made them immune to government control, and having the
republican party working to stop any regulation of their industry makes
it nearly impossible to do anything to keep them from doing things just
the way they did they in the past. In other words, we're still screwed
even with Obama in the White House. People don't seem to know it but
there are definite limits to what a president can do. Obama has learned
that in spades.

Hedges contends the Democrats are working even harder
than Republicans to maintain corporate power. Obama
will be re-elected as long as he continues to
to be the stronger supporter of the corporations.

Hawke

2012-06-26 22:28:58 UTC

That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Hawke

Flint

2012-06-26 23:59:43 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations.
Communities are only part of the business community. Small business
"aka" the real job creators, is a significant part of the business
community.

are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

--
MFB

Hawke

2012-06-27 22:05:20 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.

Hawke

Oglethorpe

2012-06-28 01:04:27 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.

Scumbag Obama's going to lose

Deucalion

2012-06-27 23:19:48 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.

Scumbag Obama's going to lose

No matter how the election goes, it's "we the people" who are going to
lose. Just like it has been for a long time now. However, they have
just about rode the horse do death.

Shall not be infringed

2012-06-28 01:05:00 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.

Scumbag Obama's going to lose

No matter how the election goes, it's "we the people" who are going to
lose. Just like it has been for a long time now. However, they have
just about rode the horse do death.

You think? So why are you all about the donkey?

Gray Guest

2012-06-27 23:46:33 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

We're hoping for Obama to lose, get it clear ya dope.

--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.

What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.

http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-27 23:56:25 UTC

Post by Gray Guest

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

We're hoping for Obama to lose, get it clear ya dope.
--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

We?

The polls clearly show that the MAJORITY OF AMERICA want Obama will
win.

So your "We" must be you and your gay cocker spaniel.

Lauh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

Harold Burton

2012-06-28 02:54:28 UTC

In article

Post by Too_Many_Tools
The polls clearly show that the MAJORITY OF AMERICA want Obama will
win.

Hahahahahaha. Just another incoherent sentence from a leftloon. Well,
what else did you expect?

Laugh, laugh, laugh.

Jeff M

2012-06-28 17:02:40 UTC

On 6/27/2012 6:46 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
[snip]

Post by Gray Guest

Post by Hawke
Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

We're hoping for Obama to lose, get it clear ya dope.

Yep. Of course. We already knew that all you and your kind have is
your hate; you have nothing else, and certainly nothing better, to offer.

Hawke

2012-06-28 18:33:46 UTC

Post by Gray Guest

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

We're hoping for Obama to lose, get it clear ya dope.

Yes, we all get it. You're voting for Romney. You support Romney for
president. Say it any way you want it's the same. You pick the
republican just like you did when Bush ran. You also thought the same
thing then as you do now, that the republican would do a good job. Well,
the last one did a horrible job and this guy Romney is maybe even worse
than Bush, but you aren't bright enough to see Romney isn't qualified
for the job. No military experience, a rich elite that has had
everything handed to him, a cult member(mormon), someone willing to
change any position to get votes, and a guy with little experience in
government. But all you see is someone better than what we have. He's
not and he's not going to win. You're lucky and you don't even realize it.

Hawke

Oglethorpe

2012-06-28 17:05:25 UTC

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

Quit conflating the 'business community' with corporations. Communities
are only part of the business community. Small business "aka" the real
job creators, is a significant part of the business community.
are putting up huge sums of money in support of Romney.

Post by Hawke
They clearly prefer Romney over Obama. For the rest of us we can only
hope they lose.

Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

We're hoping for Obama to lose, get it clear ya dope.

Obama is far, far, far worse than Bush. He's a lying scumbag. He's gotta go.

F. George McDuffee

2012-06-28 01:40:12 UTC

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:05:20 -0700, Hawke

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

<snip>

Post by Flint
Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

=====================

They keep having elections.

I keep voting.

Nothing changes.

---------------------

Take all the space you need and list the top 5 or 10
measurable/objective changes you think will occur in the
next presidential term that the president/administration
will have some control over for either Romney or Obama.

You are reminded that the U.S. government has not had a
budget approved by Congress for well over 1,000 days, and
that the banking/financial system is still operationally
uncontrolled with the agencies and quasi agencies, such as
the SEC, CFTC, Federal Reserve, FDIC, etc., tasked with
developing regulations to implement the mandates of
Frank-Dodd *STILL* dragging their feet, even as disaster
looms for the EZ.

It looks like war with Iran in September. The big fear
should be that Iran has been trading oil to North Korea
and/or Pakistan for nuclear warheads for their IRBMs and
cruise missles/drones.

Click here for theme music.

For some videos click here

--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-28 04:06:33 UTC

Post by F. George McDuffee
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:05:20 -0700, Hawke

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

<snip>

Post by Flint
Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

=====================
They keep having elections.
I keep voting.
Nothing changes.
---------------------
Take all the space you need and list the top 5 or 10
measurable/objective changes you think will occur in the
next presidential term that the president/administration
will have some control over for either Romney or Obama.
You are reminded that the U.S. government has not had a
budget approved by Congress for well over 1,000 days, and
that the banking/financial system is still operationally
uncontrolled with the agencies and quasi agencies, such as
the SEC, CFTC, Federal Reserve, FDIC, etc., tasked with
developing regulations to implement the mandates of
Frank-Dodd *STILL* dragging their feet, even as disaster
looms for the EZ.
It looks like war with Iran in September. The big fear
should be that Iran has been trading oil to North Korea
and/or Pakistan for nuclear warheads for their IRBMs and
cruise missles/drones.
Click here for theme http://youtu.be/2g7aY8q7xO4
For some videos click http://youtu.be/EWGykV8HIPI
--
Unka' George
"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"
-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Maybe you are voting for the wrong people.

America today would be richer if Gore had been elected.

TMT

Hawke

2012-06-28 18:53:13 UTC

Post by F. George McDuffee
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:05:20 -0700, Hawke

Post by Hawke
That's the way things seem to be going. But if you look at who is
putting up the money it's clear that the business community, AKA the
corporations

<snip>

Post by Flint
Yep, it's called false hope.

Yeah, for you if you're hoping for a Romney victory.
Hawke

=====================
They keep having elections.
I keep voting.
Nothing changes.
---------------------
Take all the space you need and list the top 5 or 10
measurable/objective changes you think will occur in the
next presidential term that the president/administration
will have some control over for either Romney or Obama.
You are reminded that the U.S. government has not had a
budget approved by Congress for well over 1,000 days, and
that the banking/financial system is still operationally
uncontrolled with the agencies and quasi agencies, such as
the SEC, CFTC, Federal Reserve, FDIC, etc., tasked with
developing regulations to implement the mandates of
Frank-Dodd *STILL* dragging their feet, even as disaster
looms for the EZ.
It looks like war with Iran in September. The big fear
should be that Iran has been trading oil to North Korea
and/or Pakistan for nuclear warheads for their IRBMs and
cruise missles/drones.

You're being way too negative and gloomy. It's not as bad as you think.
We are moving ahead but you don't notice it because it happens slower
than you can perceive. Obama is moving us in a direction away from what
Bush had us in. In fact, we went off in the wrong direction with the
election of Ronald Reagan and have been going wrong ever since. But that
is how it works. We make mistakes and then correct them. We made a
mistake following the conservatives for the last three decades. Look
where it got us. So now we are going to embark on a new direction that
will address many of the things that we did wrong. Mainly we went wrong
by giving all the power to business and corporations and letting old
fashioned backward looking thinkers run the nation.

We are going to move in a new direction now because it's clear to just
about everyone we've been doing things wrong. We can see that because of
how badly everything seems. The pendulum is about to swing in the other
direction and we are going to see a return to populism and a curtailing
of corporate power. I think the citizen's united decision was the high
water mark for the corporations. They are now going to be reined in. I
believe that the idea of corporations being "people" is going to be
changed. When that happens they will lose a lot of their power. Power
will swing back in the direction of the people and we are going to have
a whole new generation of leaders coming up that don't think like the
old white republicans do. You just have to watch carefully because to us
the changes take place slowly. But they do take place. In 100 years
people will say that things really changed quickly back in our time.

Hawke

Deucalion

2012-06-27 01:47:06 UTC

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:28:58 -0700, Hawke

They can't lose. Romney simply told them that he may be easy, but he
isn't cheap.

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-27 04:35:07 UTC

Post by Deucalion
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:28:58 -0700, Hawke

They can't lose. Romney simply told them that he may be easy, but he
isn't cheap.- Hide quoted text -
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I wonder which wife told him that line?

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-27 04:24:10 UTC

You can thank the conservatives on the Supreme Court for that.

In my case, corporations can spend a TRILLION dollars promoting
Romney...my vote still goes to Obama at this time.

TMT

Harold Burton

2012-06-22 01:05:07 UTC

In article

Bitch and whine, bitch and whine...that is all Republicans are good
at.

Which makes them different from Democrats "wah, he stole the election,
wah, he stole it again, wah, he's going to steal Iraqi oil" how?

Laugh, laugh, laugh . . . .

F. George McDuffee

2012-06-22 01:37:38 UTC

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:49:09 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Bitch and whine, bitch and whine...that is all Republicans are good
at.

<snip>

I agree 100%. The unfortunate corollary is that this is
also 100% true for the Democrats, in the aggregate.

As I have posted before, the major (and most minor, e.g. U.K
Liberal Democrats) political parties are bankrupt, sadly,
not in the financial sense, as this would solve many
problems, but in the intellectual, ideological, ethical,
social, community/commonwealth, etc. sense.

The world has changed drastically and suddenly in the areas
of socio-economics and geo-politics (among many others), but
the parties involved are still wandering around, lost in a
fog of their own making/denial, assuming the conditions that
existed when they first came to power still exist, and their
traditional elixirs, potions, spells, incantations, chants,
slogans, etc. retain their mystical/mythical powers.

IMNSHO it is time for our "leadership," political,
financial, industrial, and yes military, to either "put up"
or "shut up," and let someone else with another
program/model "have a go." Clearly the existing tacit
reactionary elitist socio-economic model is no longer viable
(just ask the Irish, Spanish and Greeks), and I would
greatly prefer to see something other than the French or
Russian models of socio-economic/political change...

--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

Harold Burton

2012-06-22 01:03:09 UTC

In article

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Less than five months to go and the Republicans have absolutely
NOTHING to offer.

Other than their candidate is not Obama. That's enough.

snicker

Shall not be infringed

2012-06-22 23:04:57 UTC

Nothing is what I hope we get.

No more bailouts, economic easing, fast n furious, no executive privilege hallpasses handed around, lies about how well the private sector is doing, lies about knowing shit about the constitution, no more teleprompters, no more saying no to gas, oil, and coal, no more loans to "green" companies who have no interest in staying in business...

Gray Guest

2012-06-24 04:01:19 UTC

Too_Many_Tools <***@yahoo.com> wrote in news:19aa507f-4b78-4955-
ab0c-***@v33g2000yqv.googlegroups.com:
You are dumber now then you were in 2008.

If you could watch this asshole for 3.5 years and pick him over a dead
chicken you just ain't that bright.

carl

2012-06-24 04:08:53 UTC

Why would anybody vote for Obama again? Ever since he's been in office.
The economy is near a collapse. And almost going into a double recession.
Even tho the
gas price is slowly going down. Everything else is going down the drain.
Someone tell me
why should Obama be re-elected? He's an enemy of big business. And he's
paying Hawaii
gov to keep his birth certificate hidden...till after the election.

Post by Gray Guest
news:19aa507f-4b78-4955-
You are dumber now then you were in 2008.
If you could watch this asshole for 3.5 years and pick him over a dead
chicken you just ain't that bright.
--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-26 16:56:51 UTC

Post by Gray Guest
You are dumber now then you were in 2008.
If you could watch this asshole for 3.5 years and pick him over a dead
chicken you just ain't that bright.
--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

LOL...I consistently pick winners.

And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.

TMT

Deucalion

2012-06-26 17:39:48 UTC

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

Don't forget Herman Cain. He didn't even make it to the first cut.

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-27 04:22:02 UTC

Post by Deucalion
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

Don't forget Herman Cain. He didn't even make it to the first cut.- Hide quoted text -
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LOL...did you see that Herman "The Perv" Cain is now giving Romney
advice?

I still can't stop laughing...

TMT

BeamMeUpScotty

2012-06-27 05:06:51 UTC

Post by Deucalion
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

Don't forget Herman Cain. He didn't even make it to the first cut.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

LOL...did you see that Herman "The Perv" Cain is now giving Romney
advice?

You mean like Clinton the "sex offender" who was asked to speak on
behalf of Socialist Obama.

--
*BeamMeUpScotty's Rule*

#29 - For *your WELFARE* there is the CHINESE MASTERCARD, but Freedom is
priceless.

Gray Guest

2012-06-27 14:01:53 UTC

Post by Deucalion
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

4b78-

Post by Hawke
4955-

Post by Deucalion

Post by Hawke
ay to

Post by Deucalion

Post by Gray Guest
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and

the

Post by Deucalion

Post by Gray Guest
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

Don't forget Herman Cain. He didn't even make it to the first cut.- Hi

de quoted text -

Post by Deucalion
- Show quoted text -

LOL...did you see that Herman "The Perv" Cain is now giving Romney
advice?
I still can't stop laughing...
TMT

Face it, you just don't like uppity niggers.

BeamMeUpScotty

2012-06-26 23:21:07 UTC

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

SO you voted for Bush? Twice?

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-27 04:31:46 UTC

On Jun 26, 6:21 pm, BeamMeUpScotty

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

SO you voted for Bush? Twice?- Hide quoted text -
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In a matter of speaking.. I wagered that Bush would be elected/
reelected and won a considerable amount of money.

I also bet against Bush during his term and have made a ton of money.

Republicans are so predictable.

And seriously...can anyone say that we are better because Bush was in
office?

You won't admit it but you would be richer if Gore had been elected.

Consider it an Inconvenient Truth of your wallet...

TMT

Gray Guest

2012-06-27 00:46:31 UTC

495

Post by Too_Many_Tools
5-

Post by Gray Guest
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

I would vote for almost anything or anyone over this asshole.

Too_Many_Tools

2012-06-27 04:33:38 UTC

Post by Gray Guest
495

Post by Too_Many_Tools
5-

Post by Gray Guest
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and

the

Post by Gray Guest
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

LOL...I consistently pick winners.
And you...well McCain/Palin tells it all.
TMT

I would vote for almost anything or anyone over this asshole.
--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.
What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.
http://nukeitfromorbit.com/- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

LOL...you will get your wish considering the "anything" that the
Republicans are running.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

Harold Burton

2012-06-27 01:42:41 UTC

Post by Gray Guest
You are dumber now then you were in 2008.

thank a public school "teacher"

laugh, laugh, laugh

Harold Burton

2012-06-27 01:41:27 UTC

In article

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Less than five months to go and the Republicans have absolutely
NOTHING to offer.

Which is more than the DemocRATs do.

Laugh, laugh, laugh

Shall not be infringed

2012-06-27 23:45:01 UTC

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Less than five months to go and the Republicans have absolutely
NOTHING to offer.

Precisely. Nothing is far more prosperous than progressivism.

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Even the Republicans in private will admit it...the GOP is in
shambles.

TEA Party is doing just fine. Ask us.

Post by Too_Many_Tools
Obama gets my vote at this time.

Of course he does. You never weaned yourself off o the airplane glue.

RONALD LAFONTAINE

2012-06-28 02:27:03 UTC

No, "Too Many Fools"

You'll Vote for Obama as your a Leftist Asshat with no Clue of whats real or going on, thats the Long and short of it, do us all a favor and Go walk down a dark alley and Make nice with the criminals you coddle?

Ron L

STEADY EDDY

2012-06-29 03:19:10 UTC