No malarkey

[Tony Cooper]

Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".

That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.

"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

[Spains Harden]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

When I saw it I thought it was Cockney, so it has certainly crossed the
pond - and did so decades ago. It sounds Irish; which would account
for it transmigrating East and West.

[b***@shaw.ca]

Post by Spains Harden

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

When I saw it I thought it was Cockney, so it has certainly crossed the
pond - and did so decades ago. It sounds Irish; which would account
for it transmigrating East and West.

This outfit:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-mal3.htm

also proposes an Irish connection.

bill

[Bill Day]

On Mon, 02 Dec 2019 11:15:31 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

"Simple J. Malarkey" ... a character in the Pogo comic strip is about
the only place I have seen it used.
http://mightygodking.com/2010/02/16/when-pogo-met-simple-j-malarkey/

It's such a handy word that I suppose Kelly may have just adopted it.

[Richard Heathfield]

On 02/12/2019 16:15, Tony Cooper wrote:

<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially by Irene Handl in her rôle as Miss
Harker-Parker, headmistress, in "The Pure Hell of St. Trinian's" (1960).

Presumably it would have been known to UK audiences at the time. So if
it originated in the US, it had already crossed the pond by 1960.

[Katy Jennison]

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond.  The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially by Irene Handl in her rôle as Miss
Harker-Parker, headmistress, in "The Pure Hell of St. Trinian's" (1960).
Presumably it would have been known to UK audiences at the time. So if
it originated in the US, it had already crossed the pond by 1960.

Small detail, but I think you mean 'rightpondially'.

[Richard Heathfield]

Post by Katy Jennison

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond.  The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially by Irene Handl in her rôle as Miss
Harker-Parker, headmistress, in "The Pure Hell of St. Trinian's" (1960).
Presumably it would have been known to UK audiences at the time. So if
it originated in the US, it had already crossed the pond by 1960.

Small detail, but I think you mean 'rightpondially'.

Thanks, Katy; you are of course quite correct.

(Hey, I was only 3,000 miles out.)

[Peter Young]

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially

Not that left, the other left, as my late wife used to say.

Peter.

[Richard Heathfield]

Post by Peter Young

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially

Not that left, the other left, as my late wife used to say.

This one's going to run and run, isn't it?

Yes, I meant the other left. *My* left. (I'm currently facing south.)

[Peter Young]

Post by Richard Heathfield

Post by Peter Young

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially

Not that left, the other left, as my late wife used to say.

This one's going to run and run, isn't it?
Yes, I meant the other left. *My* left. (I'm currently facing south.)

Excuse, excuses.

Peter.

[occam]

Post by Richard Heathfield

Post by Peter Young

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond.  The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially

Not that left, the other left, as my late wife used to say.

This one's going to run and run, isn't it?
Yes, I meant the other left. *My* left. (I'm currently facing south.)

You appear to be doing that ('facing south') quite a bit recently. Are
you missing Europe already?

[Richard Heathfield]

Post by occam

Post by Richard Heathfield

Post by Peter Young

Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond.  The origin is "unknown".

The word was used leftpondially

Not that left, the other left, as my late wife used to say.

This one's going to run and run, isn't it?
Yes, I meant the other left. *My* left. (I'm currently facing south.)

You appear to be doing that ('facing south') quite a bit recently.

It's just the way my chair faces when I'm at my desk. (For certain
values of "south", anyway.)

Post by occam
Are
you missing Europe already?

I don't think I've ever actually hit it; it's well beyond my range.

[Garrett Wollman]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote. It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

-GAWollman

[Quinn C]

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote. It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

And yet its use in books seems still to be on the up, contrary to
various synonyms:

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=malarkey%2Chokum%2Cgimcrackery%2Cfolderol&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=4>

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote. It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

[Lewis]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote. It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

Yeah, you rally want to emphasize how old you are when running for
President.

It has spawned many howls of laughter and mocking memes.

I honestly thought the original newswire photo of the bus was a joke.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Lewis

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote. It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

Yeah, you rally want to emphasize how old you are when running for
President.

His opponents or their surrogates are going to emphasize it anyway. He
may think the best thing he can do is "own it". And he knows Reagan and
Trump got elected in their 70s.

Post by Lewis
It has spawned many howls of laughter and mocking memes.
I honestly thought the original newswire photo of the bus was a joke.

I suspect that you and the people who howled and mocked weren't thinking
seriously of voting for him in a primary anyway. I could be wrong.

[Lewis]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote. It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

Yeah, you rally want to emphasize how old you are when running for
President.

His opponents or their surrogates are going to emphasize it anyway. He
may think the best thing he can do is "own it". And he knows Reagan and
Trump got elected in their 70s.

Reagan was RE-elected, and Trump forced doctors to forge his exams and
then lied about the results anyway. This is the person who recently
posted a picture of his head on Sylvester Stallone's body from 36 years
ago.

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis
It has spawned many howls of laughter and mocking memes.
I honestly thought the original newswire photo of the bus was a joke.

I suspect that you and the people who howled and mocked weren't thinking
seriously of voting for him in a primary anyway. I could be wrong.

I don't think that is at all accurate.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed:  "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice.  The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote.  It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

Your reference to "Uncle Joe" caused me to wonder how Stalin got into
this thread.

(Is there a variant of Godwin's Law which applies?)

[Tony Cooper]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed:  "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice.  The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote.  It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

Your reference to "Uncle Joe" caused me to wonder how Stalin got into
this thread.
(Is there a variant of Godwin's Law which applies?)

The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,
but rather derived from the concept of everyone's favorite uncle.

https://newrepublic.com/article/153457/joe-biden-cool-uncle-creepy-uncle

Ironically, the same group of people who are baffled at the word
"Malarkey" would be baffled by someone wondering if "Uncle Joe" was a
reference to Stalin.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Garrett Wollman

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed:  "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice.  The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I commented elsewhere that "Uncle Joe" could not have picked a better
slogan to appeal to the octogenarian vote.  It's the sort of word that
my father (73) and his mother (1921-2013) would have used.

I wonder whether that's the point--he's good old reliable Uncle Joe who
uses charmingly old-fashioned words.

Your reference to "Uncle Joe" caused me to wonder how Stalin got into
this thread.
(Is there a variant of Godwin's Law which applies?)

The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,

Dzhugashvili -- "Stalin" was a nickname

Post by Tony Cooper
but rather derived from the concept of everyone's favorite uncle.
https://newrepublic.com/article/153457/joe-biden-cool-uncle-creepy-uncle
Ironically, the same group of people who are baffled at the word
"Malarkey" would be baffled by someone wondering if "Uncle Joe" was a
reference to Stalin.

[Snidely]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,

Dzhugashvili -- "Stalin" was a nickname

I thought it was more like a stage name ... the name he used when he
conducted his business.

/dps

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,

Dzhugashvili -- "Stalin" was a nickname

I thought it was more like a stage name ... the name he used when he
conducted his business.

Yes, but if you prefix it with Joseph Vissarionovich you need to
include the Dzhugashvili. His Dad wasn't called Vissarion Stalin.

[Ross]

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,

Dzhugashvili -- "Stalin" was a nickname

I thought it was more like a stage name ... the name he used when he
conducted his business.
/dps
--
Ieri, oggi, domani

It was a nom de plume, first used in 1912, derived
from /stal'/ 'steel'. Doubtless modeled on "Lenin",
pseudonym of one V.I.Ulyanov since 1901, said to
be derived from the river Lena in Siberia. This was
pre-Revolutionary, when things the Bolsheviks were
writing could have got them in real trouble. His
article "Marxism and the National Question" (1913)
was signed "K.Stalin", where the "K" might reasonably
be taken as standing for "Koba", an actual nickname that
he had been using since his teens.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Ross

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,

Dzhugashvili -- "Stalin" was a nickname

I thought it was more like a stage name ... the name he used when he
conducted his business.
/dps
--
Ieri, oggi, domani

It was a nom de plume, first used in 1912, derived
from /stal'/ 'steel'. Doubtless modeled on "Lenin",
pseudonym of one V.I.Ulyanov since 1901, said to
be derived from the river Lena in Siberia. This was
pre-Revolutionary, when things the Bolsheviks were
writing could have got them in real trouble. His
article "Marxism and the National Question" (1913)
was signed "K.Stalin", where the "K" might reasonably
be taken as standing for "Koba", an actual nickname that
he had been using since his teens.

Yes. "Koba the Dread" is the title of a book about him by Martin Amis.

[John Varela]

Post by Ross

Post by Snidely

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
The term "Uncle Joe" has been associated with Biden for quite some
time in the US. It's not a reference to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin,

Dzhugashvili -- "Stalin" was a nickname

I thought it was more like a stage name ... the name he used when he
conducted his business.
/dps
--
Ieri, oggi, domani

It was a nom de plume, first used in 1912, derived

Don't you mean "nom de guerre"?

Post by Ross
from /stal'/ 'steel'. Doubtless modeled on "Lenin",
pseudonym of one V.I.Ulyanov since 1901, said to
be derived from the river Lena in Siberia. This was
pre-Revolutionary, when things the Bolsheviks were
writing could have got them in real trouble. His
article "Marxism and the National Question" (1913)
was signed "K.Stalin", where the "K" might reasonably
be taken as standing for "Koba", an actual nickname that
he had been using since his teens.

[Spains Harden]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

I would have spelt it "Mullarky" with its meaning of "Shenanigans".

Jewish: "Schmozzle". BrE "Carry on" or "Kerfuffle"

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.

Joe has been using the word for decades.

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

[Witziges Rätsel]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

In the excellent TV miniseries "Band of Brothers" there is a US
soldier named Donald Malarkey played by Scott Grimes. The true story is
about Easy Company (of the U.S. Army 101st Airborne Division) during and
after D-Day and the names of the portrayed "brothers", including Donald
Malarkey, were actual.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185906/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Malarkey

[Jack]

On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 16:51:47 -0500, Witziges Rätsel

Post by Witziges Rätsel

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

In the excellent TV miniseries "Band of Brothers" there is a US
soldier named Donald Malarkey played by Scott Grimes. The true story is
about Easy Company (of the U.S. Army 101st Airborne Division) during and
after D-Day and the names of the portrayed "brothers", including Donald
Malarkey, were actual.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185906/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Malarkey

A search for 'the name "malarkey" ' showed this:
https://

[Ross]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".
That's a questionable choice. The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people. To pick a campaign slogan
that contains a word that is unknown to a segment of the voters may
not be the best strategy. Further, it's word that might be explained
as something grampa used to use.
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Not as old as I would have thought. Neither OED nor
Green has any citation before the early 1920s. Appears
to be strictly US until post-WWII.
Green ventures to suggest a connection with Irish
mullachán, 'a strongly built boy, thus a ruffian'.

[Lewis]

Post by Tony Cooper
Those that follow US politics in the news (known as "masochists") may
have noticed that Joe Biden's bus has his new slogan displayed: "NO
MALARKEY!".

Even if you don't follow the news you'd be hard presse to have avoided
the "Crikey how old is he? Express" news.

Post by Tony Cooper
That's a questionable choice.

That's a kind way of putting it.

Post by Tony Cooper
The word is very familiar to me, but I
wonder if it's familiar to younger people.

I associate it with the generation older than my parents (born c. 1930).

Post by Tony Cooper
Further, it's word that might be explained as something grampa used to
use.

Grandpa if you're in your 50s.

Post by Tony Cooper
"Malarkey" seems to be a word originated in the US and not a word that
has crossed the pond. The origin is "unknown".

It's probably a euphemism for manure as it can be replaced with bullshit
in any usage.