Post by Gnome d PlumeOn Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:20:05 GMT, "Blazin' Tommy D."
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Post by Blazin' Tommy D.Post by Gnome d PlumePost by Blazin' Tommy D.BTD: Pedanticism, the sure sign of a pseudo-intellectual
Plus Tom has no practical knowledge of law. I haven't read the article
but
Post by Gnome d PlumePost by Blazin' Tommy D.don't see how what you've explained could possibly be
misrepresentation.
Post by Gnome d PlumePost by Blazin' Tommy D.Post by Gnome d PlumePost by Blazin' Tommy D.Niggling. Good choice of words. Tom the Niggler
You know Poke, kindness goes a long way. Schuler here acts like an abused
delinquent. I could just see him standing in the shadows, his
psychotherapist fingering his pipe bowl asks
"Tom, why did you do it; please Tom this could be your last chance to
tell
Post by Gnome d PlumePost by Blazin' Tommy D.us"
After a considerable pause Tom says
"They tried to make me eat food I don't like"
Collapses in his psychotherapist's arms
But instead of "End of story" Tom comes back to alt.magick
yawn
:)
***** Agreed. Schuler may have a deeper problem. For him this news
group may be like the old "Synanon Game." I had a friend back in the
late 60s who was a very successful aerospace engineer. He was a
liberal humanitarian and felt sympathy for the drug addicts in the
Synanon program---so he decided to offer his time as a "straight" game
player. The way this worked was similar to group therapy except that
the addicts were on one side and the straight volunteers were on the
other. The moderator was pro-addict (or so it seemed to my friend
David). The sessions consisted of the addicts trying to tear down,
shame and belittle the straights. David had to sit there and take
abuse (much of it filthy) from them for an hour at a time each week.
He would then drive by my pad, pace around the room like a tiger
fuming about these arrogant, egotistical, sometimes intelligent but
otherwise worthless human wrecks who insisted on blaming society and
successful people---like himself---- for their insurmountable
problems.
Each time I'd say: "Then David, why do you bother with these
people?"
Each time he'd reply: "Some of them are smarter than I am! And
maybe they're right about society---but damnit, I'm not their enemy.
Why do they attack me personally? I'm there to help them, for God's
sake!"
To which I replied: "You are the face for their fist."
Perhaps this is what we have with Tom? He may need a face for
his fist,---but I'm not like my friend David and alt.magick is not
the Synanon Game. This particular aggression-release outlet of
Schuler's has become dysfunction for him. He doesn't have the support
of the other game players and there is no moderator to protect him
from the stinging backlash when he vents his rage.
He should go somewhere else where he is less known and less
understood. ****
Gnome d Plume
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BTD: Gnome, the junkies were correct, your friend was/is their enemy. I'm a
liberal humanitarian too. I would demand the government supply them with
fresh needles, good quality and affordable dope. After all we only live
once. Who in the hell do these happy yahoo DEA agents think they are. Get a
real fucking job already, you know?
Why should I care if someone's a junkie? As long as they have cheap dope and
don't have to rob my house, fence my possessions to score a spoon and
they're not spreading Hep C, HIV, &c then the only other issue is why
society is so fucked up that they would allow people to be so unhappy. And
if this is a necessity under the Police Power -i.e., the State can show a
compelling interest for these people to be so bummed, then let the
motherfuckers get high for Christ sake. THAT'S liberal humanitarianism.
Your friend is a fucking missionary for the GOP and Southern crackers
My brother got involved in a similar thing and it made him miserable as you
describe too. It's because people like that get a few dollars in their
pocket and start to think yeah, yeah, this works this is good
Tom got like that when his wife got a job as a personal law clerk for a
judge and started writing decisions for him -- at least that's what Tom
said. It must be true since he accuses everyone else of being a liar
Piano intro!
"I like the United States of America the land where we live without fear I
like to vote for my choice speak my mind raise my voice yes I like it hear
(are you marching punching a fist in the air for emphasis yet?) I want to
climb to the top of a mountain so high lift my head to the sky and say how
grateful am I for the way that I'm living and working and giving and I'm
thankful more thankful each year. Yes I like it, I like it. I like it
here" - Again!! Piano intro
This Baptist Bible dude that was our substitute teacher music teacher when
JFK was assassinated forced us to sing this song over and over again until
parents complained. Americans are really weird fucked up people and Uncle Al
in that regard was/is correct, best to just leave 'um alone. Problem is
trying to get somewhere where they leave you alone
So, you're suggesting that TOM is some sort of psychotherapist pseudo
hypnotist or whatever? Geez, no wonder he's so fucked up:)
As far as a leave of absinthe:) Yeah. I've gone to different NGs for a time
and it really does give one a fresh perspective; but with Tom, he has a real
ego problem. He can't handle being incorrect. It was sort of a neurosis last
time I was here (about a year ago) but has now become near psychotic. Of
course, as I'm sure Tom will point out, I'm not an expert -- translated, I'm
not a member of the elite -e.g., I don't have a wife who writes a Judges
opinions for him. I've only been practicing as a pro se attorney for the
last 30 or so years, almost exclusively for the last 8. I'd be willing to
bet that I know more about the law than Tom's wife and her lazy social
parasitic Judge put together. Talk about living on the dole:)
hee
hee
hee
Tom Schuler
You heard about his meat grows on trees work didn't ya?
See my answer to Natural Philosopher in this thread
**** Essentially I agree with you. The "War on Drugs" was lost long
ago and has only succeeded in putting a greater percentage of our
citizens behind bars than any other nation on earth. In the case of my
friend David, however, he was mislead by Synanon. He believed that the
organization was trying to "rehabilitate" the junkies and whether you
approve of society or not, that means learning to get along with it
and in it. Actually their hidden agenda--which they finally
revealed--was "transhabilitation." They were trying to build a
separate self-supporting community for these folks that would insulate
them from the rest of our savage world of "civilization." With this in
mind they victimized David, allowing him to believe that he was
helping these people to return to a world in which he was successful.
David wasn't an American. He was a Brit from the Channel Islands and
he really was a social liberal (more so than I was at the time). When
it comes to junk, I recall the sage observation of one nameless
subculture philosopher from the 60s: "When a person's got so many
problems they feel overwhelmed, they can escape into a drug habit that
becomes such a huge problem all the rest are totally insignificant."
I think an awareness of such street wisdom might be the first step
toward either kind of "habilitation." ****
Gnome
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BTD: Resplendent point! You've touched upon something that is truly
outrageous in re Conservatives, whether Democratic or republican - that is -
this sort of reverse psychology of don't look at us it's those gotdam
Liberals.
In actuality the Conservatives are unsurpassed in terms of Social
Engineering, because it's them that come up with this sort of shit, not
Liberals -e.g., Ted Kennedy suggested that it would be far cheaper to buy
cocaine from South America and destroy it than to invest all of this money
in covert operations, paramilitary operations, slash and burn tactics
employed in Viet Nam, &c, &c. There are so many examples it's mind
boggling., Tax incentives -- why? If capitalism is such a smashing success
why does the traditional taxation principle those with the greatest ability
pay the most have to be abandoned. Does it? Where is the compelling
interest? (There's Dick Flat Tax Gephardt a contendah for Vice)
People like Porge and family have this attitude towards life -e.g., Son
we're the ruling class, we're the capitalists and make way for other
capitalists to do their thing that's what makes this society function. Many
bad things will happen along the way but you can't let them get to you or
trouble you. It's just the way things have to be. Really? Why? How
thoroughly presumptuous or how utterly devoid of integrity
Yet these same people come up with this bullshit (Bill Clinton) make the
niggers work for their welfare check what the hell is this shit with a
gotdam Cadillac parked next to their shotgun. (And these guys are brandished
as today's Liberals:0)
So in terms of drugs the question/issue like that in terms of taxation is
always -- is this necessary or is it merely a worthless act to satiate some
idiots whim that gives us money to get re-elected, and what the fuck do they
know, anyway?
Emmerich de Vattel states in his Law of Nations Chitty Ed. (circa 1863) I
Vattel c. ii, § 15:
"The end or object of civil society is to procure for the citizens whatever
they stand in need of for the necessities, the conveniences, the
accommodations of life, and, in general, whatever constitutes
appiness, -with the peaceful possession of property, a method of obtaining
justice with security, and, finally, a mutual defence against all external
violence
These sorts of "Conservatives" can't handle equal protection and can't
handle individual sovereignty "Yick Woo v. Hopkins" 118 US 356 @ 370, 373:
"Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author
and source of the law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are
delegated to agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the
people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. And the law is
the definition and limitation of power".
So they try to convert the USA into something it's not
Vattel, op cit. @ §25 {citing in note 21 "Mason on Self Knowledge"}
"We shall conclude this chapter, with observing that a nation ought to know
itself. . . .Without this knowledge a nation will act at random, and often
take the most improper measures. It will think it acts with great wisdom in
imitating the conduct of nations that are reputed wise and skilful, - not
perceiving that such or such regulation, such or such practice, though
salutary to one state, is often pernicious to another. . . .Nations cannot
be well governed without such regulations as are suitable to their
respective characters; and in order to do this their characters ought to be
known".
It's precisely this sort of social engineering, government insinuating
itself into the private lives of sovereigns without subjects that thoroughly
subverts the principle of sovereignty (which by natural law as applied to
States, derives from natural law which appertains to the individual). It is
in essence from whence social parasitism springs. The junkie or the abused
Afro American in his squalid Mississippi Shotgun shack receiving government
assistance is not the parasite, they are sovereigns without subjects
entitled equally to the various purposes of society as set forth above. It
is these gotdam Conservatives sucking and usurping all they can from the
society at large. Why? So that poverty can exist!? Under color of conceded
and confessed failed capitalism requiring tax breaks, protectionism, nuclear
weapons, &c, &c., who are the real social parasites. Here Reagan spent his
remaining years thinking that he was going to render nuclear weapons
obsolete? Well if he was at all coherent word that Porge was/is going to
start the whole thing all over again is probably what killed him.
So finally the point for deliberation is why doesn't government fix it, the
private sector won't, can't and was never designed to. There is no reason.
Ignorant Americans appease themselves to Conservatives for no reason. Give
the Liberals a chance. They're the ones that made this rotten National
Security State which Porge &c have aptly demonstrated they don't know how to
run and probably that it can't be run. Let them fix it. And if they can't?
Then fuck the whole gotdam thing. That's my honest view of it. I'll be happy
to lend whatever assistance I can but when these miserable little puke
bucket fuckers like Tom Schuler come around with their stupid kid shit, well
that just plain makes me so nauseated, I want to kick the bucket out from
under them so they fall straight down on their turgid little glans, know
what I mean?
:)