The Library Nonsense And Incipient Totalitarianism

Go play with yourself someplace else, please. This isn't the library.

Will Dockery

2019-08-24 10:26:12 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
The library masturbation nonsense is starting again, so I have to respond to it. Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me, but if we live in a world where someone is being messed with 19 years down the road for something that he did not even do, then I do not want to live in such a world. We can do better. And that means, we must do better.
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?
He obviously does not like poetry, as he has called me a freak for reading poetry. Is this a place where he has a supply of people to pick on? I haven't seen him do anything on the Net except for attacking people, so I am coming to conclude that he is here looking for people to attack.
Now Christianity has for a long time been identified with oppression; but the order that people like Cujo want is far more oppressive than Christianity. Christianity believes in forgiveness of sins and redemption of sinners. These people believe in no such thing. Instead they believe in sociopathic and narcissistic disorders, in which people labeled in such a way are evil and can only be evil whatever they do. This contradicts most basic rationality. If people are responsible for their actions then anyone can choose to act rightfully; and if some people can only be evil whatever they do then people are not responsible for their actions.
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism. With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even within the privacy of their minds.
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek, or do I fight this incipient totalitarianism? Right now I am not sure. I will however affirm my innocence. And I will warn other people of the noose that is hanging over their heads.

Well put, Ilya.

Michael Pendragon

2019-08-24 16:44:01 UTC

Unfortunately, a newspaper report not only remains online, but can easily be pulled up with a google search.

IOW: It's an issue that you will have to continually address for the rest of your life. And, should you become a famous poet, any future biographers would be compelled to address it as well.

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

That is a very bad alternative. Forgiving our enemies implies that our enemies have done something to forgive. Since you are claiming innocence, the analogy comes across as an oblique admission of guilt.

The best tack for you to take is that which forms a cornerstone of the American Justice system: that one remains innocent until proven guilty.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry, as he has called me a freak for reading poetry. Is this a place where he has a supply of people to pick on? I haven't seen him do anything on the Net except for attacking people, so I am coming to conclude that he is here looking for people to attack.

If you'll note his sign-off, you see that he lists his title as "The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych." And claims to be the "Supreme Holy Overlord of alt.fucknozzles."

His attack on you indicates that he perceives you to be either a kook, a troll, a fucknozzle, or some combination of the above.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Now Christianity has for a long time been identified with oppression; but the order that people like Cujo want is far more oppressive than Christianity. Christianity believes in forgiveness of sins and redemption of sinners. These people believe in no such thing. Instead they believe in sociopathic and narcissistic disorders, in which people labeled in such a way are evil and can only be evil whatever they do. This contradicts most basic rationality. If people are responsible for their actions then anyone can choose to act rightfully; and if some people can only be evil whatever they do then people are not responsible for their actions.

You're living proof of the old adage that if you give a man enough rope, he'll hang himself.

IOW: Your analogy, once again, strongly implies that you'd committed the act in question.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism. With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even within the privacy of their minds.

How's the weather up there?

Up where, you ask?

Why dangling from the gallows, of course.

IOW: You now appear to be championing your right to publicly masturbate.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek, or do I fight this incipient totalitarianism? Right now I am not sure. I will however affirm my innocence. And I will warn other people of the noose that is hanging over their heads.

In your case I would advise turning the other cheek. Your rebuttal has done far more harm to your reputation than anything Cujo written.

Conley Brothers

2019-08-24 16:47:47 UTC

You're pulling the religious card to defend your pulling your dick in the library while a student watched? What a scumbag. Your Dickie Reiki defense is laughable. Why were you watching the victim go up to the librarian to complain if you were in such intense pain?
No, your hand was in your shorts doing the 5 knuckle shuffle. You should admit it and beg forgiveness.

i***@gmail.com

2019-08-25 05:14:27 UTC

You're pulling the religious card to defend your pulling your dick in the library while a student watched?

I'm "pulling a religious card" to stand up to a lynch mob.

Post by Conley Brothers
What a scumbag. Your Dickie Reiki defense is laughable. Why were you watching the victim go up to the librarian to complain if you were in such intense pain?

I never said that I was in intense pain. I said that I was doing reiki treatment on my lower abdomen.

Post by Conley Brothers
No, your hand was in your shorts doing the 5 knuckle shuffle. You should admit it and beg forgiveness.

I refuse to admit to something I did not do.

Will Dockery

2019-08-25 05:27:45 UTC

You're pulling the religious card to defend your pulling your dick in the library while a student watched?

I'm "pulling a religious card" to stand up to a lynch mob.

Post by Conley Brothers
What a scumbag. Your Dickie Reiki defense is laughable. Why were you watching the victim go up to the librarian to complain if you were in such intense pain?

I never said that I was in intense pain. I said that I was doing reiki treatment on my lower abdomen.

Post by Conley Brothers
No, your hand was in your shorts doing the 5 knuckle shuffle. You should admit it and beg forgiveness.

I refuse to admit to something I did not do.

Ilya, the "Conley Brother" is a forgery by an impostor troll.

Brainiac Five

2019-08-25 08:36:06 UTC

You're pulling the religious card to defend your pulling your dick in the library while a student watched?

I'm "pulling a religious card" to stand up to a lynch mob.

Post by Conley Brothers
What a scumbag. Your Dickie Reiki defense is laughable. Why were you watching the victim go up to the librarian to complain if you were in such intense pain?

I never said that I was in intense pain. I said that I was doing reiki treatment on my lower abdomen.

Post by Conley Brothers
No, your hand was in your shorts doing the 5 knuckle shuffle. You should admit it and beg forgiveness.

I refuse to admit to something I did not do.

Exactly.... these fools expect to cyber bully you.....

They are simply stupid motherfucking trolls...…….

Smarmy little toads......

Will Dockery

2019-08-26 02:29:47 UTC

You're pulling the religious card to defend your pulling your dick in the library while a student watched?

I'm "pulling a religious card" to stand up to a lynch mob.

Post by Conley Brothers
What a scumbag. Your Dickie Reiki defense is laughable. Why were you watching the victim go up to the librarian to complain if you were in such intense pain?

I never said that I was in intense pain. I said that I was doing reiki treatment on my lower abdomen.

Post by Conley Brothers
No, your hand was in your shorts doing the 5 knuckle shuffle. You should admit it and beg forgiveness.

I refuse to admit to something I did not do.

Just set the record straight and cancel out their lies and misrepresentations.

Brainiac Five

2019-08-24 21:35:47 UTC

You got this one Ilya S..........................

Don't back down.................

Damn the Torpedoes.............................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_the_torpedoes

Brainiac Five

2019-08-26 02:24:11 UTC

There is no shame in public masturbation. I do it all the time. Stroke with pride!

Clay "BronyBoi" Dockery

2019-08-27 15:52:56 UTC

Post by Brainiac Five

There is no shame in public masturbation. I do it all the time. Stroke with pride!

Disgusting

Brainiac Five

2019-08-26 23:45:01 UTC

Good play...

Peter J Ross

2019-08-27 16:07:00 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
The library masturbation nonsense is starting again,

What? Have you started wanking in libraries again?

Post by i***@gmail.com
so I have to respond to it.

Just as you have to respond to the presence of women in libraries by
wanking?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but if we live in a world where someone is being messed
with 19 years down the road for something that he did not even do,
then I do not want to live in such a world. We can do better. And
that means, we must do better.

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

Of course, Cujo is a red herring. You were detested in AAPC and RAP
as a misogynistic, illiterate moron for years before this particular
proof of your misogyny was shared with us.

When we saw the proof, all of us agreed that it was decisive.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Is this a place where he has a supply of people to
pick on? I haven't seen him do anything on the Net except for
attacking people, so I am coming to conclude that he is here
looking for people to attack.

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Now Christianity has for a long time been identified with
oppression;

LOL!

Was it Christians who sent Osip Mandelstam (note correct spelling) to
die on the way to a labour camp?

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

Post by i***@gmail.com
These people believe in no such
thing. Instead they believe in sociopathic and narcissistic
disorders, in which people labeled in such a way are evil and can
only be evil whatever they do. This contradicts most basic
rationality. If people are responsible for their actions then
anyone can choose to act rightfully; and if some people can only be
evil whatever they do then people are not responsible for their
actions.

Are you saying that you freely chose not "to act rightfully" when you
wanked in a library in the presence of an innocent victim, or are you
claiming to be "evil whatever you do"?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

Post by i***@gmail.com
or do I
fight this incipient totalitarianism? Right now I am not sure. I
will however affirm my innocence. And I will warn other people of
the noose that is hanging over their heads.

Boo hoo!

If you get this upset about a crime that couldn't be proved securely
enough to result in a prosecution, how upset must you have been about
all the crimes for which you were convicted?

What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

Will Dockery

2019-08-27 16:25:24 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
The library masturbation nonsense is starting again,

What? Have you started wanking in libraries again?

That appears to be a false accusation you are repeating.

To the police it probably looked like a harassment, or prank, call:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html

"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."

HTH & HAND.

Clay "BronyBoi" Dockery

2019-08-27 16:40:56 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
The library masturbation nonsense is starting again,

What? Have you started wanking in libraries again?

That appears to be a false accusation you are repeating.

Are you suing someone would be stupid enough to call 911 as a prank? Ilya already admitted his hand was going to town in his shorts. He also believes the librarian made the call. Are you claiming the librarian made a prank call?
Do you realize how stupid you look?

Peter J Ross

2019-08-27 17:16:05 UTC

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:25:24 -0700 (PDT),

Post by i***@gmail.com
The library masturbation nonsense is starting again,

What? Have you started wanking in libraries again?

That appears to be a false accusation you are repeating.

It appears to me to be a true accusation.
When did you become a fan of the police, Druggery?

--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

Will Dockery

2019-08-27 19:20:32 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

The police were called, that's one fact we know is true:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html

"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."

Believe what you want, but your belief is not known to be a fact.

:)

High Number

2019-08-27 23:28:46 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html
"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."
Believe what you want, but your belief is not known to be a fact.
:)

True that...................

2019-08-27 23:33:44 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

In case anyone hasn’t figured out who’s pickles replacement is........................

High Number

2019-08-27 23:35:21 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

In case anyone hasn’t figured out

That you are a smarmy little toad...?

No that is obvious...............

2019-08-27 23:40:43 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

In case anyone hasn’t figured out

That you are a smarmy little toad...?
No that is obvious...............

That makes no sense at all zid.
Please rewrite your post so that some of us can understand it.

Your post-editing skills are deplorable and incomprehensible.

High Number

2019-08-27 23:43:08 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

In case anyone hasn’t figured out

That you are a smarmy little toad...?
No that is obvious...............

That makes no sense at all

You are confused once more....?

Ha ha ha....

2019-08-28 00:06:39 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

In case anyone hasn’t figured out

That you are a smarmy little toad...?
No that is obvious...............

That makes no sense at all

You are confused once more....?
Ha ha ha....

What you posted is confusing.
I’m not the one that’s confused.

Read your post again and then try to post one that make sense.

High Number

2019-08-28 14:07:32 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
When did you become a fan of the police

In case anyone hasn’t figured out

That you are a smarmy little toad...?
No that is obvious...............

That makes no sense at all

You are confused once more....?
Ha ha ha....

What you posted is confusing.
I’m not the one that’s confused.
Read your post again and then try to post one that make sense.

I was drunk. I'm always drunk.

i***@gmail.com

2019-08-28 02:17:54 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

You appear to have forgotten which country you live in. This is America. Here it is innocent until proven guilty.

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

I am a completely legal migrant. I have US citizenship.

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

He most certainly does not approve of truth. He has been going on slandering me for over a decade now, accusing me of a crime that I never committed. He is interested mostly in looking for people to abuse.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

Post by Peter J Ross
Of course, Cujo is a red herring. You were detested in AAPC and RAP
as a misogynistic, illiterate moron for years before this particular
proof of your misogyny was shared with us.

If I had been a misogynist, I would have not cared about being called a misogynist. I would have believed that being a misogynist was the way to go. As is, I have been a part of an effort to fight domestic violence and have written extensive poetry for several women. You haven't done either. My anti-misogynist credentials are far greater than yours.

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

Post by Peter J Ross
Are you saying that you freely chose not "to act rightfully" when you
wanked in a library in the presence of an innocent victim, or are you
claiming to be "evil whatever you do"?

Once again, some questions don't have a yes or no answer. When I am asked how I chose to do something I never did, that does not have a yes or no answer. The question itself is malformed.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Express my power over her? I don't even know what that woman looks like. She simply misperceived and thought that I was doing something that I was not doing. I do not accuse her of lying either. I say that she misperceived.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

Post by Peter J Ross
Boo hoo!
If you get this upset about a crime that couldn't be proved securely
enough to result in a prosecution, how upset must you have been about
all the crimes for which you were convicted?

The only crime of which I was convicted was trespassing, which is one of the smallest crimes in the books.

Post by Peter J Ross
What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

I have ways to go before I become more narcissistic than you. You were expressing glee over the death of another person. Your time on the Internet has been spent mostly attacking people, whereas most of my time on the Internet is spent communicating realizations to people and coming up with solutions to social problems.

Will Dockery

2019-08-28 02:27:48 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

You appear to have forgotten which country you live in. This is America. Here it is innocent until proven guilty.

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

I am a completely legal migrant. I have US citizenship.

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

Once again, some questions don't have a yes or no answer. When I am asked how I chose to do something I never did, that does not have a yes or no answer. The question itself is malformed.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

The only crime of which I was convicted was trespassing, which is one of the smallest crimes in the books.

Post by Peter J Ross
What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

This explains why Cujo goes out of his way to attack you, Cujo being PJR's main, perhaps only remaining, slurper.

Cujo DeSockpuppet

2019-08-28 03:05:47 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

You appear to have forgotten which country you live in. This is
America. Here it is innocent until proven guilty.

He's British, Wankboi. Wow.

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

I am a completely legal migrant. I have US citizenship.

So why can't you write coherent English?

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

He most certainly does not approve of truth.

I sure do! Got any? It'd certainly be a switch, cat killer.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He has been going on
slandering me for over a decade now, accusing me of a crime that I
never committed. He is interested mostly in looking for people to
abuse.

I'm interested in your extended roofucker family now. So what's the deal
with Melanie? Did she do all that stuff or was it just you?

http://www.domesticviolenceabuserexcusers.com/if/annabellejones.php

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

Message-ID?

Post by Peter J Ross
Of course, Cujo is a red herring. You were detested in AAPC and RAP
as a misogynistic, illiterate moron for years before0 this particular
proof of your misogyny was shared with us.

If I had been a misogynist, I would have not cared about being called
a misogynist. I would have believed that being a misogynist was the
way to go. As is, I have been a part of an effort to fight domestic
violence and have written extensive poetry for several women. You
haven't done either. My anti-misogynist credentials are far greater
than yours.

Kooky! Nice work, PJR. He's unravelled again.

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing
what kind of a guy you are.

Non sequitur alert. Topic drift detected, ridiculed and rejected.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

You need to make a lits of haet. Hop to it.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

You're not in America.

Once again, some questions don't have a yes or no answer. When I am
asked how I chose to do something I never did, that does not have a
yes or no answer. The question itself is malformed.

Damn, PJR broke another kook.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Express my power over her? I don't even know what that woman looks
like. She simply misperceived and thought that I was doing something
that I was not doing. I do not accuse her of lying either. I say that
she misperceived.

You were told to stay out of there previously as you had no right to be
there. You are obviously a remorseless criminal and cannot be credible.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

Whoosh.

The only crime of which I was convicted was trespassing, which is one
of the smallest crimes in the books.

This is Usenet, Wankboi. Here you are Wankboi, library masturbator,
sociopath and remorseless trespasser.

Deal.

Post by Peter J Ross
What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

I have ways to go before I become more narcissistic than you. You were
expressing glee over the death of another person. Your time on the
Internet has been spent mostly attacking people, whereas most of my
time on the Internet is spent communicating realizations to people and
coming up with solutions to social problems.

Try to bring your arguments up to a third grade level next time. I know
it's a big leap but try anyway. You're quire amusing when you fail big.

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I am the same intelligent, articulate, amiable, and humble
person anywhere I go:-))" - Ed, proving he's always a dickhead.

High Number

2019-08-28 04:24:10 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

You appear to have forgotten which country you live in. This is America. Here it is innocent until proven guilty.

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

I am a completely legal migrant. I have US citizenship.

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

Once again, some questions don't have a yes or no answer. When I am asked how I chose to do something I never did, that does not have a yes or no answer. The question itself is malformed.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

The only crime of which I was convicted was trespassing, which is one of the smallest crimes in the books.

Post by Peter J Ross
What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

Wellput....

Will Dockery

2019-08-28 08:25:07 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

You appear to have forgotten which country you live in. This is America. Here it is innocent until proven guilty.

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

I am a completely legal migrant. I have US citizenship.

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

Once again, some questions don't have a yes or no answer. When I am asked how I chose to do something I never did, that does not have a yes or no answer. The question itself is malformed.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

The only crime of which I was convicted was trespassing, which is one of the smallest crimes in the books.

Post by Peter J Ross
What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

Well put....

Agreed.

Michael Pendragon

2019-08-28 08:03:23 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
Not only am I completely innocent of the charges against me,

It's your word against the word of your victim. I prefer to believe
your victim.

You appear to have forgotten which country you live in. This is America. Here it is innocent until proven guilty.

Last I heard Peter was residing in England (although he considers himself a Scot).

Why can't you write coherent English after two decades as an illegal
immigrant to the USA, Scumbat?

I am a completely legal migrant. I have US citizenship.

"Migrant" denotes an individual who moves about his/her homeland, often as a seasonal worker. It is not a synonym for "immigrant."

As previously noted, your English skills could use a little polishing.

Post by i***@gmail.com
How do we do better? Well there is the Bible. The Bible teaches us
to love and forgive our enemies, so I am willing to take the lead
in this. In the process we may discover some things that stimulate
insight. So I am asking, why is Cujo here?

He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic... is a wee bit hard to swallow.

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

You could at least have provided a link.

If I had been a misogynist, I would have not cared about being called a misogynist.

By the same logic, if you were a murderer you wouldn't have about having been accused of murder.

Post by i***@gmail.com
I would have believed that being a misogynist was the way to go. As is, I have been a part of an effort to fight domestic violence and have written extensive poetry for several women.

Domestic violence isn't necessarily directed against women, nor is it necessarily indicative of, or motivated by, misogyny.
You haven't done either. My anti-misogynist credentials are far greater than yours.
How do you know what Cujo has or hasn't done?

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Many of us were delighted by Pickles' death as well.

Does that make us "bad" people... or does it suggest that Pickles was an exceptionally horrible person?

I didn't know Chuck Lysaght, but if his kiddie porn story was any indication, I'd applaud his demise as well.

Post by i***@gmail.com
but the order that people like Cujo want is far more
oppressive than Christianity.

Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

"Lits" is alt.kookspeak for "list." I don't get it, either.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Christianity believes in forgiveness
of sins and redemption of sinners.

Only if they repent. Repentance depends on admission of guilt.

And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in need of being forgiven.

Once again, some questions don't have a yes or no answer. When I am asked how I chose to do something I never did, that does not have a yes or no answer. The question itself is malformed.

I suspect that you're mistaking a question mark for a humpback.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Instead what is created is an invasive form of totalitarianism.
With the concept of criminal personality we see re-introduced the
Orwellian concept of groupthink: That people can be made criminal
by virtue of how they think. And with it we see a totalitarianism
so absolute that people are not allowed to be free from it even
within the privacy of their minds.

Alternatively, what is created is a sexual crime, when somebody like
you tries to express his power over a young woman by wanking in front
of her.

Express my power over her? I don't even know what that woman looks like.

That's what they all say.

Post by i***@gmail.com
She simply misperceived and thought that I was doing something that I was not doing. I do not accuse her of lying either. I say that she misperceived.

Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a University library?

Post by i***@gmail.com
This then leads me to a dilemma. Do I turn the other cheek,

Keep your buttocks to yourself. It's your tiny dick that's under
discussion.

My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

TMI.

Seriously, Ilya -- boasting about and describing the size of your dick in a public forum strikes me as something that a public masturbater would be prone to do.

IIRC you claim to have had sex in public as well.

All three are closely related forms of sexual exhibitionism.

The only crime of which I was convicted was trespassing, which is one of the smallest crimes in the books.

I've visited various college universities and have never been accused of trespassing. It's not like campus security officers patrol the student union building demanding to see college IDs.

Post by Peter J Ross
What a pathetic, lying, narcisistic little wanker you are, Scumbat!

You seem to be misusing the term "narcissistic." Expressing glee at another's death has nothing to do with narcissism (self-infatuation). You could (arguably) accuse Cujo of being more sociopathic on this count... but you'd need to first establish that Chuck Lysaght wasn't a pedophile who the world is better off without (especially the under 12 set).

i***@gmail.com

2019-08-29 02:09:34 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

Truth is not a matter of public opinion.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic... is a wee bit hard to swallow.

So are both evolution and creationism.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Domestic violence isn't necessarily directed against women, nor is it necessarily indicative of, or motivated by, misogyny.

Most of it is against women, although I have known some cases of woman on man violence. And you are right, it is not always due to misogyny.

Post by Michael Pendragon
You haven't done either. My anti-misogynist credentials are far greater than yours.
How do you know what Cujo has or hasn't done?

I was responding to Peter Ross, who to the best of my knowledge has done nothing to fight domestic violence.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Many of us were delighted by Pickles' death as well.
Does that make us "bad" people... or does it suggest that Pickles was an exceptionally horrible person?
I didn't know Chuck Lysaght, but if his kiddie porn story was any indication, I'd applaud his demise as well.

I had good interaction with Chuck Lysaught.

Post by i***@gmail.com
And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in need of being forgiven.

I am not calling for forgiveness for myself. I am confronting personality psychology that claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do.

Post by i***@gmail.com
She simply misperceived and thought that I was doing something that I was not doing. I do not accuse her of lying either. I say that she misperceived.

Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a University library?

Maybe not, but it was not a crime.

Post by i***@gmail.com
My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

TMI.
Seriously, Ilya -- boasting about and describing the size of your dick in a public forum strikes me as something that a public masturbater would be prone to do.
IIRC you claim to have had sex in public as well.
All three are closely related forms of sexual exhibitionism.

Once again, I am innocent of what I am accused of.

Cujo DeSockpuppet

2019-08-29 02:33:54 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the
kind of scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or
frightening female readers.

He most certainly does not approve of truth. He has been going on
slandering me for over a decade now, accusing me of a crime that I
never committed. He is interested mostly in looking for people to
abuse.

The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

Truth is not a matter of public opinion.

Credibility is. You aren't credible.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki...
with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic... is a wee bit
hard to swallow.

So are both evolution and creationism.

Wankboi dances again. Oh, it's the same old song and dance. You need to
step up if you want to keep up with the grown ups. So when do you plan
to address all the trolling you and ex-roofucker did?

Post by Michael Pendragon
Domestic violence isn't necessarily directed against women, nor is it
necessarily indicative of, or motivated by, misogyny.

Most of it is against women, although I have known some cases of woman
on man violence. And you are right, it is not always due to misogyny.

That passive/agressive aproach fools nobody but fools.

Ask Dreckweasel to slurp you and try again.

Post by Michael Pendragon
You haven't done either. My anti-misogynist credentials are far greater than yours.
How do you know what Cujo has or hasn't done?

I was responding to Peter Ross, who to the best of my knowledge has
done nothing to fight domestic violence.

How exactly would you know that?

While we're at it, that web site makes a number of disturbing claims.

Why are you running away from it even faster than the cats you killed or
the libraries you trespassed?

Post by Michael Pendragon
Many of us were delighted by Pickles' death as well.
Does that make us "bad" people... or does it suggest that Pickles was
an exceptionally horrible person?
I didn't know Chuck Lysaght, but if his kiddie porn story was any
indication, I'd applaud his demise as well.

I had good interaction with Chuck Lysaught.

Your honor! The prosecution requests a few minutes to stop laughing.

Post by i***@gmail.com
And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in
need of being forgiven.

I am not calling for forgiveness for myself. I am confronting
personality psychology that claims that some people are evil and can
only be evil whatever they do.

You really can't keep up, can you?

Post by i***@gmail.com
She simply misperceived and thought that I was doing something that
I was not doing. I do not accuse her of lying either. I say that
she misperceived.

Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing
lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a
University library?

Maybe not, but it was not a crime.

How many times were you told that you didn't belong in a private library
and instructed to stay out before you got arrested?

Post by i***@gmail.com
My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

TMI.
Seriously, Ilya -- boasting about and describing the size of your
dick in a public forum strikes me as something that a public
masturbater would be prone to do.
IIRC you claim to have had sex in public as well.
All three are closely related forms of sexual exhibitionism.

Once again, I am innocent of what I am accused of.

What harmless creatures are you remorselessly killing these days?

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"Nope, all my prophecy belongs to the logical analysis of astrological
and psychological data." - Edmo dreams of becoming a cautionary tale.

Will Dockery

2019-08-29 02:44:26 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
He most certainly does not approve of truth. He has been going on slandering me for over a decade now, accusing me of a crime that I never committed. He is interested mostly in looking for people to abuse.

The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

Truth is not a matter of public opinion.

The truth is that the police found no evidence of what Ilya was accused of:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html

"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."

End of story.

Conley Brothers

2019-08-29 15:49:33 UTC

The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

Truth is not a matter of public opinion.

No, the truth is that you can't answer this question and keep snipping it :

What possible evidence would the cops have that someone WAS jerking off in public BEFORE they arrived?

I'm sure they didn't want to check the splooge stains in his pants.

Will Dockery

2019-08-29 17:56:55 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
The truth is that the police found no evidence of what Ilya was accused of

What possible evidence would the cops have that someone WAS jerking off in public BEFORE they arrived?

I don't know, since I'm not a cop, but whatever it s, they stated they found none:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html

"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."

That's that... no evidence.

Michael Pendragon

2019-08-29 03:06:48 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
He's here because he approves of truth and disapproves of the kind of
scum who wank in libraries in the hope of impressing or frightening
female readers.

The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

Truth is not a matter of public opinion.

Agreed. But, of course, that hadn't been my point.

You'll recall that you had accused Cujo of "slandering me for over a decade now, accusing me of a crime that I never committed. He is interested mostly in looking for people to abuse."

I am pointing out the fact (and it is a fact) that he is merely repeating what the majority of us believe to be the truth. The picture you've painted of him as some abusive ogre is simply not reflected in his posts.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic... is a wee bit hard to swallow.

So are both evolution and creationism.

Both? And the third alternative being that early humans were placed on earth by alien astronauts?

Post by Michael Pendragon
Domestic violence isn't necessarily directed against women, nor is it necessarily indicative of, or motivated by, misogyny.

Most of it is against women, although I have known some cases of woman on man violence. And you are right, it is not always due to misogyny.

Many male children are beaten by their fathers (Dunce claims he used to lie in bed with his pajama pants pulled down every night, with his backside bared and reading for a shining). And many elderly parents are beaten by their grown up children (or by nursing home caretakers like Pick).

Post by Michael Pendragon
You haven't done either. My anti-misogynist credentials are far greater than yours.
How do you know what Cujo has or hasn't done?

I was responding to Peter Ross, who to the best of my knowledge has done nothing to fight domestic violence.

Do you know any more about PJR's life than you do about Cujo's.

I had good interaction with Chuck Lysaught.

That may well be the case, but you obviously didn't know him all that well (this is the second time you've misspelled his surname).

Post by i***@gmail.com
And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in need of being forgiven.

I am not calling for forgiveness for myself. I am confronting personality psychology that claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do.

And you are doing so in relation to what?

Post by i***@gmail.com
She simply misperceived and thought that I was doing something that I was not doing. I do not accuse her of lying either. I say that she misperceived.

Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a University library?

Maybe not, but it was not a crime.

No... but, as I'd implied above, it's only marginally less offensive.

Post by i***@gmail.com
My dick is hardly tiny. In fact I am quite big.

TMI.
Seriously, Ilya -- boasting about and describing the size of your dick in a public forum strikes me as something that a public masturbater would be prone to do.
IIRC you claim to have had sex in public as well.
All three are closely related forms of sexual exhibitionism.

Once again, I am innocent of what I am accused of.

Fine. But you cannot prove your innocence anymore than your opponents can prove your guilt. It will always be your word against the female college student's (and, apparently, the librarian's).

So why bother keeping the subject alive and active in everyone's thoughts?

The wise move would be to state your version *once* and bow out of the discussion for good.

AFAICS you're being played. Will's fanned the flames of an old controversy to draw the bulk of the attacks away from his own sorry ass.

Will Dockery

2019-08-29 03:16:34 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
AFAICS you're being played. Will's fanned the flames of an old controversy

<snip>

That's a damned lie.

This topic came up from Nancy G's stalking, but I do have the last word on it all, though:

The truth is that the police found no evidence of what Ilya was accused of:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html

"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."

End of story.

:)

General Zod

2019-08-29 03:52:42 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
AFAICS you're being played. Will's fanned the flames of an old controversy

<snip>
That's a damned lie.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html
"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating."
End of story.
:)

Bei8ng a damn liar is just about the only skill Pendragon has...……..

Michael Pendragon

2019-08-29 03:52:51 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
AFAICS you're being played. Will's fanned the flames of an old controversy

<snip>
That's a damned lie.

You're the one who keeps fanning the flames.

(This post, for instance.)

General Zod

2019-08-29 03:54:24 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
AFAICS you're being played. Will's fanned the flames of an old controversy

<snip>
That's a damned lie.

You're the one who keeps fanning the flames

More Pend4ragon bullshit...…

As usual.........

Conley Brothers

2019-08-29 14:28:46 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
AFAICS you're being played. Will's fanned the flames of an old controversy to draw the bulk of the attacks away from his own sorry ass.

That's spot on. History shows that is what Doc and Sulzbach do, dig up old flame posts and also start new ones in his "poetry" posts to keep them on top. It fools nobody.

i***@gmail.com

2019-08-30 03:44:58 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
Agreed. But, of course, that hadn't been my point.
You'll recall that you had accused Cujo of "slandering me for over a decade now, accusing me of a crime that I never committed. He is interested mostly in looking for people to abuse."
I am pointing out the fact (and it is a fact) that he is merely repeating what the majority of us believe to be the truth. The picture you've painted of him as some abusive ogre is simply not reflected in his posts.

Actually it is. He called a young girl who was cutting herself mentally defective. Most of his time on the Internet is spent abusing people, whereas most of my time on the Internet is spent putting forth original thought.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Many male children are beaten by their fathers (Dunce claims he used to lie in bed with his pajama pants pulled down every night, with his backside bared and reading for a shining). And many elderly parents are beaten by their grown up children (or by nursing home caretakers like Pick).

Nursing home caretakers who do such a thing deserve a punch in the face. And yes, there are many fathers who abuse their male children.

Post by i***@gmail.com
I was responding to Peter Ross, who to the best of my knowledge has done nothing to fight domestic violence.

Do you know any more about PJR's life than you do about Cujo's.

I know what he said, and he never said that he was fighting domestic violence.

Post by i***@gmail.com
And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in need of being forgiven.

I am not calling for forgiveness for myself. I am confronting personality psychology that claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do.

And you are doing so in relation to what?

In relation to personality psychology.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a University library?

Maybe not, but it was not a crime.

No... but, as I'd implied above, it's only marginally less offensive.

It still is not a crime.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Once again, I am innocent of what I am accused of.

Fine. But you cannot prove your innocence anymore than your opponents can prove your guilt. It will always be your word against the female college student's (and, apparently, the librarian's).
So why bother keeping the subject alive and active in everyone's thoughts?
The wise move would be to state your version *once* and bow out of the discussion for good.

Great idea Michael, thank you.

Victor Hugo Jr

2019-08-30 03:48:54 UTC

Nursing home caretakers who do such a thing deserve a punch in the face. And yes, there are many fathers who abuse their male children.

Post by i***@gmail.com
I was responding to Peter Ross, who to the best of my knowledge has done nothing to fight domestic violence.

Do you know any more about PJR's life than you do about Cujo's.

I know what he said, and he never said that he was fighting domestic violence.

Post by i***@gmail.com
And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in need of being forgiven.

I am not calling for forgiveness for myself. I am confronting personality psychology that claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do.

And you are doing so in relation to what?

In relation to personality psychology.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a University library?

Maybe not, but it was not a crime.

No... but, as I'd implied above, it's only marginally less offensive.

It still is not a crime.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Once again, I am innocent of what I am accused of.

Fine. But you cannot prove your innocence anymore than your opponents can prove your guilt. It will always be your word against the female college student's (and, apparently, the librarian's).
So why bother keeping the subject alive and active in everyone's thoughts?
The wise move would be to state your version *once* and bow out of the discussion for good.

Great idea Michael, thank you.

Well put, I.S.

Michael Pendragon

2019-08-30 10:31:09 UTC

I haven't seen, or don't recall, that quote, and consequently, don't know the context in which it was made.

From your description, it shows only that Cujo said something insensitive and (arguably) irresponsible -- not that he's the sadist internet stalker you'd previously implied.

Nursing home caretakers who do such a thing deserve a punch in the face. And yes, there are many fathers who abuse their male children.

Post by i***@gmail.com
I was responding to Peter Ross, who to the best of my knowledge has done nothing to fight domestic violence.

Do you know any more about PJR's life than you do about Cujo's.

I know what he said, and he never said that he was fighting domestic violence.

True. But by the same token, he never said that he wasn't fighting it.

The point is that we can't make an assumption in either way.

Post by i***@gmail.com
And once again in America it's innocent until proven guilty.

As previously noted, your call for forgiveness implies something in need of being forgiven.

I am not calling for forgiveness for myself. I am confronting personality psychology that claims that some people are evil and can only be evil whatever they do.

And you are doing so in relation to what?

In relation to personality psychology.

Right, I got that part. I'm asking in what way your confrontation of an unspecified "personality psychology" theory pertains to this discussion.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Even if you're telling the truth, should you really have been doing lower abdominal reiki (hands inside pants var.) in the middle of a University library?

Maybe not, but it was not a crime.

No... but, as I'd implied above, it's only marginally less offensive.

It still is not a crime.

Is the issue that it's a crime, or that it's an embarrassing incident from your past?

I see it as being along the lines of "The Pick" -- a "Seinfeld" episode in which Jerry's girlfriend breaks up with him because she mistakenly believes she saw him picking his nose in a car.

Post by i***@gmail.com
Once again, I am innocent of what I am accused of.

Fine. But you cannot prove your innocence anymore than your opponents can prove your guilt. It will always be your word against the female college student's (and, apparently, the librarian's).
So why bother keeping the subject alive and active in everyone's thoughts?
The wise move would be to state your version *once* and bow out of the discussion for good.

Great idea Michael, thank you.

You're welcome.

And you needn't respond to this post.

George J. Dance

2019-08-30 02:33:25 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

your "consensus" seems to consist of: 2 trolls from alt.usenet.kooks, 2 from NGBS, and 2 fake accounts. As Shania would say, "That don't impress me much." Like Will, all other things being equal I'd believe the people who investigated the incident.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic...

I see what your cite is for that claim before calling it another Pig Pen lie.

Post by Michael Pendragon
is a wee bit hard to swallow.
How do you know what Cujo has or hasn't done?

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Many of us were delighted by Pickles' death as well.

And you wanted to castrate him, too, IIRC. I didn't know you got that 2nd-hand from Piggy Ross, too.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Does that make us "bad" people...

Bad, for sure. People? Perhaps on a technicality ...

Post by Michael Pendragon
or does it suggest that Pickles was an exceptionally horrible person?

Well, he did keep calling you "PaeodoBarney." I found that more amusing than horrible, but ymmv.

Post by Michael Pendragon
I didn't know Chuck Lysaght, but if his kiddie porn story was any indication, I'd applaud his demise as well.

Are you talking about his Rohrschach poem?

Post by Michael Pendragon
"Lits" is alt.kookspeak for "list." I don't get it, either.

It's a pretence that your targets are illiterates who can't spell, and you're making fun of that. Get with the troll program, trollnewb.

Michael Pendragon

2019-08-30 10:15:53 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

I believe we have Jim, NancyGene, ME, Hieronymous, Brooke and myself vs you, Will and his bumsock.

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic...

I see what your cite is for that claim before calling it another Pig Pen lie.
I never said that she lied, I said she misperceived. Whatever I was doing, it was not masturbation. I remember doing a reiki treatment on my lower abdomen. I can think of something else I might have been doing. Masturbation however was never it.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vzapIhKd6AM%5B51-75%5D

Post by Michael Pendragon
is a wee bit hard to swallow.
How do you know what Cujo has or hasn't done?

Sexual perverts like you hardly count as "people", Scumbat. In a more
civilised world, you'd be castrated.

And you were happy that Chuck Lysaught was dead. Thanks for showing what kind of a guy you are.

Many of us were delighted by Pickles' death as well.

And you wanted to castrate him, too, IIRC. I didn't know you got that 2nd-hand from Piggy Ross, too.

Do you honestly believe that PJR has a monopoly on wishing people dead?

Which reminds me that you've been rather lax in fulfilling your duties in that regard. You've only got four months left -- get cracking!

Post by Michael Pendragon
Does that make us "bad" people...

Bad, for sure. People? Perhaps on a technicality ...

Post by Michael Pendragon
or does it suggest that Pickles was an exceptionally horrible person?

Well, he did keep calling you "PaeodoBarney." I found that more amusing than horrible, but ymmv.

That isn't what I was referring to, but it isn't surprising that you would find childish name-calling amusing.

Post by Michael Pendragon
I didn't know Chuck Lysaght, but if his kiddie porn story was any indication, I'd applaud his demise as well.

Are you talking about his Rohrschach poem?

You know exactly what I'm talking about, Dunce. You also know that I don't consider it to be a poem.

Post by Michael Pendragon
"Lits" is alt.kookspeak for "list." I don't get it, either.

It's a pretence that your targets are illiterates who can't spell, and you're making fun of that. Get with the troll program, trollnewb.

IOW: It's a cliquish "in-joke." Sorry to disappoint you, Dunce, but I'm strictly a solo act.

Hieronymous Corey

2019-08-30 10:24:49 UTC

Please don't include me in any US versus THEM scenario.
I write silly nonsense verses, so I'm here to be laughed at,
and ridiculed by everyone. That's MY problem, not YOURS.

Will Dockery

2019-08-30 19:18:51 UTC

Post by Hieronymous Corey
Please don't include me in any US versus THEM scenario.
I write silly nonsense verses, so I'm here to be laughed at,
and ridiculed by everyone. That's MY problem, not YOURS.

Okay, noted.

Hieronymous Corey

2019-08-30 19:25:48 UTC

Knock. Knock.

Victor Hugo Jr

2019-08-31 17:13:14 UTC

Okay, noted.

Noted again for the archives

Hieronymous Corey

2019-08-31 17:19:47 UTC

Noted again for Saint Vitus, patron saint of seizure sufferers.

Will Dockery

2019-08-31 17:25:01 UTC

You are a good man and I am proud to call you my Pastor, Corey.....

Call him Hieronymous.

:)

Peter J Ross

2019-09-01 15:25:21 UTC

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 30 Aug 2019 03:15:53 -0700 (PDT),

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 4:03:24 AM UTC-4, Michael

Post by Michael Pendragon
The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

your "consensus" seems to consist of: 2 trolls from
alt.usenet.kooks, 2 from NGBS, and 2 fake accounts. As Shania would
say, "That don't impress me much." Like Will, all other things
being equal I'd believe the people who investigated the incident.

I believe we have Jim, NancyGene, ME, Hieronymous, Brooke and myself
vs you, Will and his bumsock.

You could add me to the lits of Enemies of Carlotta^WScumbat, if only
his posts appeared on my news server. But it seems that he's
completely blocked. Individual.net is a pretty tolerant server, so
Scumbat must have done a vast amount of spamming to be so disgraced.

--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

George J. Dance

2019-09-01 16:33:15 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

I believe we have Jim, NancyGene, ME, Hieronymous, Brooke and myself vs you, Will and his bumsock.

The people on this thread who've said they believe Ilya committed "library masturbation" have been: Piggy Ross and Kevin of alt.usenet.kooks; you and NastyGene of NGBS; and two fakes, a "Conley" and a "Clay." (The last two could be any of those others you're counting, of course.)

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic...

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vzapIhKd6AM%5B51-75%5D

Ilya says nothing there about having his "hands shoved inside [his] pants". Would you like to try again, or can we simply label that as another Pig Pen lie without further ado?

snip

Peter J Ross

2019-09-01 16:42:52 UTC

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Sep 2019 09:33:15 -0700 (PDT),

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 4:03:24 AM UTC-4, Michael

Post by Michael Pendragon
The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

your "consensus" seems to consist of: 2 trolls from
alt.usenet.kooks, 2 from NGBS, and 2 fake accounts. As Shania
would say, "That don't impress me much." Like Will, all other
things being equal I'd believe the people who investigated the
incident.

I believe we have Jim, NancyGene, ME, Hieronymous, Brooke and
myself vs you, Will and his bumsock.

The people on this thread who've said they believe Ilya committed
"library masturbation" have been: Piggy Ross and Kevin of
alt.usenet.kooks; you and NastyGene of NGBS; and two fakes, a
"Conley" and a "Clay." (The last two could be any of those others
you're counting, of course.)

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal
reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in
pubic...

I see what your cite is for that claim before calling it another Pig Pen lie.

Once again, Dunce sounds off without having followed the

I never said that she lied, I said she misperceived. Whatever I
was doing, it was not masturbation. I remember doing a reiki
treatment on my lower abdomen. I can think of something else I
might have been doing. Masturbation however was never it.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vzapIhKd6AM%5B51-75%5D

Ilya says nothing there about having his "hands shoved inside [his]
pants". Would you like to try again, or can we simply label that as
another Pig Pen lie without further ado?
snip

Why do you devote so much of your time to defending a notorious sexual
pervert, Dunce?

I remember how you spent similar amounts of your time defending the
paedophile chuckles lysaght.

Do you defend them because you're a sexual pervert yourself, or do you
have some other (probably implausible) excuse?

--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

Will Dockery

2019-09-01 19:40:40 UTC

Post by Peter J Ross
Why do you devote so much of your time to defending

Why do you spend so much of your time lying and misrepresenting, Peter?

Will Dockery

2019-09-01 17:58:49 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
Your claim to have been performing vigorous lower abdominal reiki... with your hands shoved inside your pants... in pubic...

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vzapIhKd6AM%5B51-75%5D

Ilya says nothing there about having his "hands shoved inside [his] pants". Would you like to try again, or can we simply label that as another Pig Pen lie without further ado?

"Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been masturbating. Shambat told police that he had a pain in his lower abdomen and he was massaging the area.,He added that he was looking at poetry and writing to a friend on the computer..."

http://web.archive.org/web/20020617195307/http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html

Brother Dave Dockery

2019-09-01 19:11:49 UTC

Post by Michael Pendragon
The general consensus here is that you were guilty.

I believe we have Jim, NancyGene, ME, Hieronymous, Brooke and myself vs you, Will and his bumsock.

You forgot to add the girl he was jerking off in front of and also the librarian.
That boy was polishing the helmet, no question about it.

Answer this, smart guy. How are the cops gonna find evidence after he done put his dick away and finished his business?
Brother Will has been snipping the question.

Peter J Ross

2019-09-01 15:12:55 UTC

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 28 Aug 2019 01:03:23 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Peter J Ross
Why am I not on your lits of oppressors, Wankboi?

On my what?

"Lits" is alt.kookspeak for "list." I don't get it, either.

It originated with the kooky amateur meteorologist Joseph Bartlo's
"List of Pests", which he posted at least once a week and referred to
at least fifty times a day, often typing "Lits" or "Psets" by mistake.

Thus "lits" entered the kookological vocabulary, along with "psests",
an intentional variant of "psets".

I haven't seen "psests" for many years, but "lits" caught on, and has
become part of the shared vocabulary of AAPC.

--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

NancyGene

2019-08-28 15:31:55 UTC

Post by i***@gmail.com
He obviously does not like poetry,

Evidence?

Post by i***@gmail.com
as he has called me a freak for reading poetry.

Evidence?

NancyGene posted the article in which Cujo referred to me as a freak for reading poetry.

Cujo used the words "freak" and "moron" to refer to you, but not because you were reading poetry. Look at the sequence below:
---

Message-ID: d60541dd-9361-47a4-8e1d-***@googlegroups.com

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vzapIhKd6AM/FNtdMq-rAgAJ

We found some illuminating information:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.romance/peVJoUHpIwo/aQPozsuWCq4J
and
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=fr#!topic/alt.callahans/tnqfvNAn8-w%5B126-150%5D

Message-ID: ***@posting.google.com

Ilya Shambat
11/05/2002
Ilya Shambat: Arrested Criminal, public masturbatorwas Re: II. Beauty
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