Instant-death - not even a message?

[Janis Papanagnou]

Oh is this frustrating! - Travelling in the mazes between Medusa and Castle.
Started digging a wall. T:32250. An arch-lich appeared adjacent. Instantly
my inventory and all the rest got displayed. Not even a 'touch of death'
message or anything. The strange sthing, I saw that 'L' only when I ttyrec
replayed the game, but still no "touch" message, which I saw only later in
the endgame log. - It's sad to not have even a single turn to do something,
more so since that Monk was very well developed. To avoid purple 'L' he had
intended to immediately engrave the E-word when reaching the Castle level,
but that unexpected (and highly effective) pre-Castle lich was not fair.

Janis

[David Damerell]

Post by Janis Papanagnou
Oh is this frustrating! - Travelling in the mazes between Medusa and Castle.
Started digging a wall. T:32250. An arch-lich appeared adjacent. Instantly
my inventory and all the rest got displayed. Not even a 'touch of death'
message or anything. The strange sthing, I saw that 'L' only when I ttyrec
replayed the game

Can you provide a link to the ttyrec? It may be possible to shed some
light.

[Janis Papanagnou]

Post by David Damerell

Post by Janis Papanagnou
Oh is this frustrating! - Travelling in the mazes between Medusa and Castle.
Started digging a wall. T:32250. An arch-lich appeared adjacent. Instantly
my inventory and all the rest got displayed. Not even a 'touch of death'
message or anything. The strange sthing, I saw that 'L' only when I ttyrec
replayed the game

Can you provide a link to the ttyrec? It may be possible to shed some
light.

Sure...

https://alt.org/nethack/trd/?file=https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/S/Stroller/ttyrec/2018-01-25.16:08:04.ttyrec

(Beware that it's in the "Recent/Unarchived" folder, so the link may become
invalid soon.)

Janis

[David Damerell]

Post by Janis Papanagnou

Post by David Damerell

Post by Janis Papanagnou
Started digging a wall. T:32250. An arch-lich appeared adjacent. Instantly
my inventory and all the rest got displayed. Not even a 'touch of death'
message or anything. The strange sthing, I saw that 'L' only when I ttyrec
replayed the game

Can you provide a link to the ttyrec? It may be possible to shed some
light.

Sure...

I got there, but please if asked for a link to a ttyrec provide a link to
the ttyrec, not to anything else.

https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/S/Stroller/ttyrec/2018-01-25.16:08:04.ttyrec
is the ttyrec if anyone else wants it.

However, you're quite right. Frame 11530:
You start digging. You hit the rock with all your might.--More--
11531, L appears.
11532, 3 ms later, looking at your possessions.

I dunno if there's any unfortunate message-suppression options you might
have set, but otherwise this does look like a bug, doesn't it? I regret I
cannot shed any light, after all. :-(

[Janis Papanagnou]

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Post by David Damerell

Post by Janis Papanagnou

Post by David Damerell
Can you provide a link to the ttyrec? It may be possible to shed some
light.

Sure...

I got there, but please if asked for a link to a ttyrec provide a link to
the ttyrec, not to anything else.

Sorry for any inconvenience. I had copy/pasted the link that NAO provided
on the player's ttyrecs page without inspecting or changing it manually.
(Myself I am using a script to automatically extract ttyrecs for specific
games, so I normally don't access the files though that NAO page.)

Curious; what was the actual problem with that link? (Besides being a bit
longer than the one you extracted.)

Post by David Damerell
However, you're quite right. [...]
I dunno if there's any unfortunate message-suppression options you might
have set, but otherwise this does look like a bug, doesn't it? I regret I
cannot shed any light, after all. :-(

Don't worry. Thanks for taking the time to inspect the ttyrec.

Janis

[David Damerell]

Post by Janis Papanagnou
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Post by David Damerell

Post by Janis Papanagnou

Post by David Damerell
Can you provide a link to the ttyrec? It may be possible to shed some
light.

Sure...

I got there, but please if asked for a link to a ttyrec provide a link to
the ttyrec, not to anything else.

Curious; what was the actual problem with that link? (Besides being a bit
longer than the one you extracted.)

It's not a link to the ttyrec; it's, as far as I could make out, a link to
a Webpage ttyrec player which encapsulates the ttyrec so as to show you it
in the player.

Post by Janis Papanagnou

Post by David Damerell
I dunno if there's any unfortunate message-suppression options you might
have set, but otherwise this does look like a bug, doesn't it? I regret I
cannot shed any light, after all. :-(

Don't worry. Thanks for taking the time to inspect the ttyrec.

I might go source digging (3.4.3 or 3.6.x?) but my spidey sense suggests
Pat Rankin may know the answer...

[Pat Rankin]

Post by David Damerell
I might go source digging (3.4.3 or 3.6.x?) but my spidey sense suggests
Pat Rankin may know the answer...

Haven't a clue. Just a reminder, the ttyrec data is based on periodic
screen capture, not on keystrokes or other nethack activity, so can omit
things, especially if network lag stretches some events out and bunches
other events together.

(Janis has stated many times that he's playing 3.4.3 instead of 3.6.0.)

[Janis Papanagnou]

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[David Damerell]

Post by Pat Rankin

Post by David Damerell
I might go source digging (3.4.3 or 3.6.x?) but my spidey sense suggests
Pat Rankin may know the answer...

Haven't a clue. Just a reminder, the ttyrec data is based on periodic
screen capture, not on keystrokes or other nethack activity, so can omit
things, especially if network lag stretches some events out and bunches
other events together.

At the risk of invoking you then saying you're wrong, I don't think this
is so. I expect a ttyrec to be a capture of all the output to the terminal
- some of it may come close together, as with the appearance of the lich
and then of the possessions here, but it's all captured and with a
frame-by-frame playback one can see it all. Network lag might cause input
actions to bunch but again frame-by-frame playback will sort this out.

(I don't know if this was true of the old nh-recorder format, although I
think it was... but this ttyrec is a ttyrec, so to speak.)

Janis: can we see your nethackrc to verify there aren't oddball options
doing this? It seems a useful step before going bug hunting.

[Janis Papanagnou]

Post by David Damerell
Janis: can we see your nethackrc to verify there aren't oddball options
doing this? It seems a useful step before going bug hunting.

Sure, here it is...
https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/S/Stroller/Stroller.nh343rc

Janis

[David Damerell]

Post by Janis Papanagnou

Post by David Damerell
Janis: can we see your nethackrc to verify there aren't oddball options
doing this? It seems a useful step before going bug hunting.

Sure, here it is...
https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/S/Stroller/Stroller.nh343rc

Nothing in there seems applicable. This one is a mystery.

[Janis Papanagnou]

[...] An arch-lich appeared adjacent. Instantly my inventory and all the
rest got displayed. Not even a 'touch of death' message or anything. [...]

Half a year later again such a strange message display behavour...

The endgame log says turncount was 5800 moves and that this happened:

Latest messages
The pony misses the quasit.
The pony misses the quasit.
The quasit hits!
The quasit misses.
The quasit bites!
The quasit hits!
The quasit hits!
The quasit bites!
The pony misses the quasit.
The pony misses the quasit.
The pony hits the quasit.
The pony bites the quasit.
The quasit hits the pony.
The quasit's sting was poisoned!
The quasit misses the pony.
The quasit misses the pony.
You miss the quasit.
The quasit hits!
The quasit's sting was poisoned!
The poison was deadly...

In game I just saw me dying with these messages (copied from the ttyrec):

@T:5796
The pony misses the quasit.
The pony misses the quasit. The pony misses the quasit.--More--
@T:5797 HP:44(44)
The pony misses the quasit.
The pony misses the quasit. The pony misses the quasit.
The pony misses the quasit. The pony misses the quasit.--More--
@T:5798 HP:43(44) - quasit with one square distance away
The pony misses the quasit. The pony misses the quasit.--More--
@T:5799 HP:42(44) - quasit adjacent
HP:40(42)
HP:39(42)
You miss the quasit. The quasit hits!--More--
HP:0(42)

(no other messages) My encumbrance status was burdened.

The analysis in Jan 2018 had not revealed any explanation, maybe it's an
effect of some patch active in NAO's NH-343 ? - Just a vague speculation.

Here I just want to ask whether other folks here have experienced similar
effects (with either of NH-343 or NH-361).

Janis

[David Damerell]

Post by Janis Papanagnou
The analysis in Jan 2018 had not revealed any explanation, maybe it's an
effect of some patch active in NAO's NH-343 ? - Just a vague speculation.

I'm starting to think it must be, although that's more just that we
haven't ruled it out yet and it's all that can be thought of. :-(

[jorge estrada]

Post by David Damerell

Post by Janis Papanagnou
The analysis in Jan 2018 had not revealed any explanation, maybe it's an
effect of some patch active in NAO's NH-343 ? - Just a vague speculation.

I'm starting to think it must be, although that's more just that we
haven't ruled it out yet and it's all that can be thought of. :-(
--
David Damerell
And now, a seemingly inexplicable shot of a passing train.
Today is Second Saturday, Presuary - a weekend.
Tomorrow will be Second Sunday, Presuary - a weekend.

Has this ever been solved? because it has been happing to me at NAO. And it happens with... Trying to Id rings in sinks. Sometimes i don't get a message. Engraving id with wands. Sometimes i don't get a message with wands that do something. The latest was a wand of polymorphing that had no message that the engraving was changed-. Sometimes i die without a message. just straight to do you want your possessions identified. And the latest is my quest leader summing me does not show up. This message does not get diplayed. So sometimes this message shows up, and somethimes it does not. The thing i noticed is that none of these messages go into the message history. And i am playing the latest release. 3.6.6 on putty. Should i post my option file?