Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones

[Slimer]

ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.

<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

[owl]

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728

https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>

***@lowtide:~$ uname -a
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
***@lowtide:~$

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728
https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux

At the end of the day, posting such an article is mostly to show the
"advocates" what kind of fools they are. You're actually honest, they
aren't. Just your response to my post shows how respectable you are. If
they had even a shred of your integrity, they wouldn't have to resort to
cleaning toilets or wiping dicks for an income.

[owl]

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728
https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux

At the end of the day, posting such an article is mostly to show the
"advocates" what kind of fools they are. You're actually honest, they
aren't. Just your response to my post shows how respectable you are. If
they had even a shred of your integrity, they wouldn't have to resort to
cleaning toilets or wiping dicks for an income.

I mainly use Linux because I like it and it makes a good VMware host.
If I were that bug-eyed about security, I'd be using OpenBSD as my
primary desktop.

http://www.openbsd.org/security.html

[Takuya Saitoh]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728
https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux

At the end of the day, posting such an article is mostly to show the
"advocates" what kind of fools they are. You're actually honest, they
aren't. Just your response to my post shows how respectable you are. If
they had even a shred of your integrity, they wouldn't have to resort to
cleaning toilets or wiping dicks for an income.

I mainly use Linux because I like it and it makes a good VMware host.
If I were that bug-eyed about security, I'd be using OpenBSD as my
primary desktop.
http://www.openbsd.org/security.html

BSD developers are not beer and weed junkies and not in bed with the NSA?

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728
https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux

At the end of the day, posting such an article is mostly to show the
"advocates" what kind of fools they are. You're actually honest, they
aren't. Just your response to my post shows how respectable you are. If
they had even a shred of your integrity, they wouldn't have to resort to
cleaning toilets or wiping dicks for an income.

I mainly use Linux because I like it and it makes a good VMware host.
If I were that bug-eyed about security, I'd be using OpenBSD as my
primary desktop.
http://www.openbsd.org/security.html

I think the only thing working against BSD at this point is the fact
that it compares poorly with GNU/Linux when it comes to overall speed.
I've never used it for long times but it seemed neat enough.

[owl]

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728
https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux

At the end of the day, posting such an article is mostly to show the
"advocates" what kind of fools they are. You're actually honest, they
aren't. Just your response to my post shows how respectable you are. If
they had even a shred of your integrity, they wouldn't have to resort to
cleaning toilets or wiping dicks for an income.

I mainly use Linux because I like it and it makes a good VMware host.
If I were that bug-eyed about security, I'd be using OpenBSD as my
primary desktop.
http://www.openbsd.org/security.html

I think the only thing working against BSD at this point is the fact
that it compares poorly with GNU/Linux when it comes to overall speed.
I've never used it for long times but it seemed neat enough.

I only recently added an OpenBSD VM. I used to host a domain from my
house about 15 years ago and had OpenBSD as my mail server. I had been
using FreeBSD as my desktop system for a while then and never really
used OpenBSD as a GUI desktop. The VM I have now i have set up with fvwm.
OpenBSD team provides a nice, sane default config for fvwm, and their
manpages are excellent. I have FreeBSD and NetBSD VMs here also.
All of the BSDs are nice.

I actually got so used to the BSD feel back then that it was hard to
come back to Linux. Linux had sort of a sloppy feel by comparison.
Hard to put my finger on exactly what it was. I really wish I could
use BSD as a VM host. Just not practical. I may have to start spending
more time in the VM.

I don't know though. I'm getting old. I don't have the passion I used
to have for computers. Plus I've got about a year's worth of books on
the shelf that I haven't read yet (non-computer-related).

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
CVE-2013-4312
CVE-2015-7566
CVE-2015-8767
CVE-2016-0723
CVE-2016-0728
https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448
<quote>
For the stable distribution (jessie), these problems have been fixed in version 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3.
</quote>
Linux lowtide 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux

At the end of the day, posting such an article is mostly to show the
"advocates" what kind of fools they are. You're actually honest, they
aren't. Just your response to my post shows how respectable you are. If
they had even a shred of your integrity, they wouldn't have to resort to
cleaning toilets or wiping dicks for an income.

I mainly use Linux because I like it and it makes a good VMware host.
If I were that bug-eyed about security, I'd be using OpenBSD as my
primary desktop.
http://www.openbsd.org/security.html

I think the only thing working against BSD at this point is the fact
that it compares poorly with GNU/Linux when it comes to overall speed.
I've never used it for long times but it seemed neat enough.

I only recently added an OpenBSD VM. I used to host a domain from my
house about 15 years ago and had OpenBSD as my mail server. I had been
using FreeBSD as my desktop system for a while then and never really
used OpenBSD as a GUI desktop. The VM I have now i have set up with fvwm.
OpenBSD team provides a nice, sane default config for fvwm, and their
manpages are excellent. I have FreeBSD and NetBSD VMs here also.
All of the BSDs are nice.
I actually got so used to the BSD feel back then that it was hard to
come back to Linux. Linux had sort of a sloppy feel by comparison.
Hard to put my finger on exactly what it was. I really wish I could
use BSD as a VM host. Just not practical. I may have to start spending
more time in the VM.
I don't know though. I'm getting old. I don't have the passion I used
to have for computers. Plus I've got about a year's worth of books on
the shelf that I haven't read yet (non-computer-related).

I've lost much of the passion myself. A younger version of me would have
loved to experiment with the overall mediocrity of GNU/Linux but I've
since come to value my time and don't waste to waste it anymore. I'd
rather write a few books of questionable quality and teach rather than
have "fun" with something morons like Wideload Porkster programmed.

[DFS]

Post by owl
I'm getting old.

You no life, limp-dick mf.

Post by owl
Plus I've got about a year's worth of books on
the shelf that I haven't read yet (non-computer-related).

Gods and Monsters
Maurice
Giovanni’s Room
Dancer from the Dance
The Year of Ice
Tuck and Cover
Plan B
I Am Not Myself These Days

[owl]

Post by DFS

Post by owl
I'm getting old.

You no life, limp-dick mf.

Post by owl
Plus I've got about a year's worth of books on
the shelf that I haven't read yet (non-computer-related).

Gods and Monsters
Maurice
Giovanni’s Room
Dancer from the Dance
The Year of Ice
Tuck and Cover
Plan B
I Am Not Myself These Days

Thanks for the recommendations, but that's not really my area
of interest.

[DFS]

Post by DFS

Post by owl
I'm getting old.

You no life, limp-dick mf.

Post by owl
Plus I've got about a year's worth of books on the shelf that I
haven't read yet (non-computer-related).

Gods and Monsters Maurice Giovanni’s Room Dancer from the Dance The
Year of Ice Tuck and Cover Plan B I Am Not Myself These Days

Thanks for the recommendations, but that's not really my area of
interest.

The Year of Ice: "owl, a retired USMC Lt. General and Linux lover, is a
marginal student in love with keggers, rock and roll, and--unbeknownst
to anyone else--a boy in his class with thick eyelashes and a bad attitude."

LMAO!

Who knew you had such a crush on John Gohde...

[owl]

Post by DFS

Post by DFS

Post by owl
I'm getting old.

You no life, limp-dick mf.

Post by owl
Plus I've got about a year's worth of books on the shelf that I
haven't read yet (non-computer-related).

Gods and Monsters Maurice Giovanni’s Room Dancer from the Dance The
Year of Ice Tuck and Cover Plan B I Am Not Myself These Days

Thanks for the recommendations, but that's not really my area of
interest.

The Year of Ice: "owl, a retired USMC Lt. General and Linux lover, is a
marginal student in love with keggers, rock and roll, and--unbeknownst
to anyone else--a boy in his class with thick eyelashes and a bad attitude."
LMAO!

You have a peculiar taste in books.

Post by DFS
Who knew you had such a crush on John Gohde...

https://gifsound.com/?gifv=Omc5lA6&v=usTCQpcllb8

[DFS]

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted buying
anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.


new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)


Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a
dozen crullers.

[Slimer]

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted buying
anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a
dozen crullers.

I'd replace the 750Ti with a 950 which should only cost a little bit
more. If you play the occasional game like Scott Bloaty does, you'll
appreciate the newer generation card.

[DFS]

Post by Slimer

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted buying
anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a
dozen crullers.

I'd replace the 750Ti with a 950 which should only cost a little bit
more. If you play the occasional game like Scott Bloaty does, you'll
appreciate the newer generation card.

There's always something better and faster.

Somehow the 750 Ti shows up in the list of 'high-end' cards on

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net

HD 5770: 1686 G3DMarks (I paid $165 in 2010)
GTX 750 Ti: 3688 G3DMarks for around $100
GTX 950: 5253 G3DMarks for around $150
GTX 980 Ti: 11532 G3DMarks for around $600


I only got 3262 G3DMarks when I ran their benchmark, but it will be fine
for my uses for a few years. The most current game I own is Bioshock 2
from Mar 2012.

[Melzzzzz]

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:40:25 -0500

Post by DFS

Post by Slimer

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted
buying anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a
dozen crullers.

I'd replace the 750Ti with a 950 which should only cost a little bit
more. If you play the occasional game like Scott Bloaty does, you'll
appreciate the newer generation card.

There's always something better and faster.
Somehow the 750 Ti shows up in the list of 'high-end' cards on

750 Ti is Maxwell architecture. Same as 9xx series...

I bought it in 2014 ;)

[DFS]

Post by Melzzzzz
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:40:25 -0500

Post by DFS

Post by Slimer

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted
buying anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a
dozen crullers.

I'd replace the 750Ti with a 950 which should only cost a little bit
more. If you play the occasional game like Scott Bloaty does, you'll
appreciate the newer generation card.

There's always something better and faster.
Somehow the 750 Ti shows up in the list of 'high-end' cards on

750 Ti is Maxwell architecture. Same as 9xx series...

The 950 sucks up 2x as much power as the 750 Ti (which still isn't that
bad compared to some cards)

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_950_Gaming/28.html


Edit: this site shows them about the same:
http://techreport.com/review/29061/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-graphics-card-reviewed/10

Post by Melzzzzz
I bought it in 2014 ;)

It came out in Feb 2014.

What's the biggest/most demanding game you've played on it? I'll be
trying BioShock 2 at some point.

[Melzzzzz]

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:27:57 -0500

Post by DFS

Post by Melzzzzz
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:40:25 -0500

Post by DFS

Post by Slimer

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted
buying anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited...
or a dozen crullers.

I'd replace the 750Ti with a 950 which should only cost a little
bit more. If you play the occasional game like Scott Bloaty does,
you'll appreciate the newer generation card.

There's always something better and faster.
Somehow the 750 Ti shows up in the list of 'high-end' cards on

750 Ti is Maxwell architecture. Same as 9xx series...

The 950 sucks up 2x as much power as the 750 Ti (which still isn't
that bad compared to some cards)
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_950_Gaming/28.html
http://techreport.com/review/29061/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-graphics-card-reviewed/10

Post by Melzzzzz
I bought it in 2014 ;)

It came out in Feb 2014.
What's the biggest/most demanding game you've played on it?

Well, I haven't tried latest titles. I have Shadow of Mordor but didn't
played it yet.

I'll be

Post by DFS
trying BioShock 2 at some point.

I think it will play no problem.

[Slimer]

Post by Melzzzzz
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:27:57 -0500

Post by DFS

Post by Melzzzzz
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:40:25 -0500

Post by DFS

Post by Slimer

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted
buying anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited...
or a dozen crullers.

I'd replace the 750Ti with a 950 which should only cost a little
bit more. If you play the occasional game like Scott Bloaty does,
you'll appreciate the newer generation card.

There's always something better and faster.
Somehow the 750 Ti shows up in the list of 'high-end' cards on

750 Ti is Maxwell architecture. Same as 9xx series...

The 950 sucks up 2x as much power as the 750 Ti (which still isn't
that bad compared to some cards)
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_950_Gaming/28.html
http://techreport.com/review/29061/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-graphics-card-reviewed/10

Post by Melzzzzz
I bought it in 2014 ;)

It came out in Feb 2014.
What's the biggest/most demanding game you've played on it?

Well, I haven't tried latest titles. I have Shadow of Mordor but didn't
played it yet.

Ah, the Steam effect: you buy a shitload of games because they're on
special and only later realize that you don't have the time to play them
all. :)

[chrisv]

(friendly chit-chat with shitty bastard "DFS", snipped)

[DFS]

Post by chrisv
"Hey, we don't call it Apelanta for nothing. If you're coming here, I
apologize in advance if any screeching jigs make your visit
unpleasant." - "DFS"

Dey've been on a tear recently (well, for decades), murdering in large
numbers, lots of carjackings, armed robbery, car theft, etc.

6th most dangerous city in the US, according to Forbes.

So come on down to Apelanta for a visit, turd.

[GreyCloud]

(friendly chit-chat with shitty bastard "DFS", snipped)

Too fucking bad, eh Turdv?

[owl]

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted buying
anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a
dozen crullers.

Maybe.

[Ezekiel]

Post by DFS

I don't have the passion I used to have for computers.

In the general sense I don't have the same passion either. Long time ago it
was all new and exciting but after doing it as /work/ for all these years a
lot of the newness and excitement has worn off.

There are some (work) projects that are still fun and exciting to work on.
Home projects are mostly fun/interesting since I get to pick and choose
exactly what I'm going to do. But a lot of things aren't as exciting as they
once were.

Post by DFS
I'm in the middle of doing some hardware upgrades. I've resisted buying
anything new for so long that I'm a little stoked.
new 256GB SSD (Christmas gift)
new GTX 750 Ti video card ($105)
4GB more RAM ($20)
new heat sink/fan for CPU ($20)
Maybe you need some new gear to get that inner geek excited... or a dozen
crullers.

New hardware is fun, for a short time. Last year I got a new SSD and a huge
monitor. It was a fun in the sense that it was different from what I had
before. But it didn't take long to get used to the new hardware and
excitement-wise, I'm pretty much back to where I was before.
--
We know Photoshop is sold for around $700.00. By cost comparison Photoshop
should be 70,000 times better than GIMP, which it clearly is not. As anyone
can see GIMP is the clear winner.

Business classes for me you say! I don't need them, my wife has been
operating a private business for about 20 years now. I do all the financial
side of it and up to par on those type of things.

An attempt at a "cost analysis" from sbd.
<lvnu8i$qvj$***@dont-email.me>

[DFS]

Post by Ezekiel
New hardware is fun, for a short time. Last year I got a new SSD and a huge
monitor. It was a fun in the sense that it was different from what I had
before. But it didn't take long to get used to the new hardware and
excitement-wise, I'm pretty much back to where I was before.

Yeah, it's easy to get used to the new speeds and capabilities. Speed
especially.

What's nice is computer stuff is so inexpensive. You can even get a
decent ViewSonic 28" monitor for as low as $180.

[Desk Rabbit]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.

Non-problem.

Meanwhile, many, many many, Android phones are being used unpatched and
insecure.

[owl]

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

Post by Desk Rabbit
Meanwhile, many, many many, Android phones are being used unpatched and
insecure.

I don't care. I don't use a smart phone.

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit
Meanwhile, many, many many, Android phones are being used unpatched and
insecure.

I don't care. I don't use a smart phone.

Smart guy.

[owl]

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit
Meanwhile, many, many many, Android phones are being used unpatched and
insecure.

I don't care. I don't use a smart phone.

Smart guy.

Yeah. My holster is for a gun.

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit
Meanwhile, many, many many, Android phones are being used unpatched and
insecure.

I don't care. I don't use a smart phone.

Smart guy.

Yeah. My holster is for a gun.

And the bullet a welcome gift to one of the many "refugees."

[owl]

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
your private information. I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
Hell, I'm even an MCSE. But they have really lost their bearings in the
last few years. First they destroyed Technet. Then there's the misguided
goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience. Now they're doing their
best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it. They've
said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows." Let's hope so.

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
your private information.

Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.

Post by owl
I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
Hell, I'm even an MCSE. But they have really lost their bearings in the
last few years.

For products, they seem to be a lot more focused than they've ever been.

Post by owl
First they destroyed Technet. Then there's the misguided
goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience. Now they're doing their
best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it. They've
said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows." Let's hope so.

The desktop/cell phone experience merging is an idea I am strongly in
favour of personally. If they do it correctly, it will only strengthen
its mobile offering.

[owl]

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
your private information.

Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.

This is of dubious value. I can't remember ever wishing I had MS Word
on my phone, or candy crush on my Laptop.

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
Hell, I'm even an MCSE. But they have really lost their bearings in the
last few years.

For products, they seem to be a lot more focused than they've ever been.

Oh, they're definitely focused on this. No doubt. But I think they
are headed down the wrong path.

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
First they destroyed Technet. Then there's the misguided
goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience. Now they're doing their
best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it. They've
said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows." Let's hope so.

The desktop/cell phone experience merging is an idea I am strongly in
favour of personally. If they do it correctly, it will only strengthen
its mobile offering.

I think they would have better success just trying to build the best
phone OS experience out there and not worry so much about merging with
the desktop. They are pursuing a solution to a non-existent problem.

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
your private information.

Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.

This is of dubious value. I can't remember ever wishing I had MS Word
on my phone, or candy crush on my Laptop.

Meanwhile Office was released on Android and iOS because people wanted
it and my wife plays Candy Crush on her laptop.

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
Hell, I'm even an MCSE. But they have really lost their bearings in the
last few years.

For products, they seem to be a lot more focused than they've ever been.

Oh, they're definitely focused on this. No doubt. But I think they
are headed down the wrong path.

The "right" path doesn't always lead to the highest profits.

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
First they destroyed Technet. Then there's the misguided
goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience. Now they're doing their
best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it. They've
said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows." Let's hope so.

The desktop/cell phone experience merging is an idea I am strongly in
favour of personally. If they do it correctly, it will only strengthen
its mobile offering.

I think they would have better success just trying to build the best
phone OS experience out there and not worry so much about merging with
the desktop. They are pursuing a solution to a non-existent problem.

If their goal is to have everyone at the company be on the same path,
making sure that they promote a single platform makes sense. I can't
imagine things being easy to manage when you have one division working
on one OS, another working to support the old ones, the other developing
applications only for the mobile space while the last develops
exclusively for desktops. I truly believe that one application which
adapts to whatever setup it is being used on makes the most sense in
this day and age. However, Microsoft has screwed up great ideas before
so it remains to be seen what happens here.

[owl]

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
your private information.

Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.

This is of dubious value. I can't remember ever wishing I had MS Word
on my phone, or candy crush on my Laptop.

Meanwhile Office was released on Android

Took a look at it. It seems to be a very stripped-down version. I suppose
a shitload of people will install it, but I doubt anybody will actually
use it.

Post by Slimer
and iOS because people wanted
it and my wife plays Candy Crush on her laptop.

Oh well.

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
Hell, I'm even an MCSE. But they have really lost their bearings in the
last few years.

For products, they seem to be a lot more focused than they've ever been.

Oh, they're definitely focused on this. No doubt. But I think they
are headed down the wrong path.

The "right" path doesn't always lead to the highest profits.

The chosen path chosen for profits doesn't always lead to profits either.

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
First they destroyed Technet. Then there's the misguided
goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience. Now they're doing their
best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it. They've
said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows." Let's hope so.

The desktop/cell phone experience merging is an idea I am strongly in
favour of personally. If they do it correctly, it will only strengthen
its mobile offering.

I think they would have better success just trying to build the best
phone OS experience out there and not worry so much about merging with
the desktop. They are pursuing a solution to a non-existent problem.

If their goal is to have everyone at the company be on the same path,
making sure that they promote a single platform makes sense. I can't
imagine things being easy to manage when you have one division working
on one OS, another working to support the old ones, the other developing
applications only for the mobile space while the last develops
exclusively for desktops. I truly believe that one application which
adapts to whatever setup it is being used on makes the most sense in
this day and age. However, Microsoft has screwed up great ideas before
so it remains to be seen what happens here.

I really just disagree here. I can't see how what would be the perfect
system for a phone would also be the perfect system on the desktop.
If you're going to compromise in the name of uniformity, well ok.
But neither is going to end up with the best.

[Slimer]

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl

Post by Desk Rabbit

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
problems.
<http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>

Shit happens. Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.

And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and
rolled out to different customers on different days.
Non-problem.

I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
to fend for themselves. Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also? I have to laugh
these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
world. What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
computers? What exactly is the purpose of that?

I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.

The live tiles are in the menu now. And that ridiculous alphbetically
sorted menu list is nearly useless.

In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.

With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
your private information.

Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.

This is of dubious value. I can't remember ever wishing I had MS Word
on my phone, or candy crush on my Laptop.

Meanwhile Office was released on Android

Took a look at it. It seems to be a very stripped-down version. I suppose
a shitload of people will install it, but I doubt anybody will actually
use it.

To create new documents? Probably not. However, if people are on the
train and suddenly realize that they need to make an important change to
a document they've saved to the cloud, such software could be useful.
Once again, my wife has need for such a thing in her role as a Team Lead
at a financial institution.

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
and iOS because people wanted
it and my wife plays Candy Crush on her laptop.

Oh well.

We're obviously not all the same. Mind you, her laptop is practically
made for a game like Candy Crush; it works as well as a laptop as a
tablet. In tablet mode, Candy Crush is fairly awesome.

Post by owl

Post by Slimer
The "right" path doesn't always lead to the highest profits.

The chosen path chosen for profits doesn't always lead to profits either.

I'm sure that Microsoft knows what it's doing. If anything, they hired
my high school's biggest nerd, an overachiever who was on my
university's honour roll for every year that he was there. If things go
wrong, they can ask his seemingly brilliant advice. If anything, I
wouldn't be shocked to see him become Microsoft's eventual CEO.

Post by owl

Post by Slimer

Post by owl
I think they would have better success just trying to build the best
phone OS experience out there and not worry so much about merging with
the desktop. They are pursuing a solution to a non-existent problem.

If their goal is to have everyone at the company be on the same path,
making sure that they promote a single platform makes sense. I can't
imagine things being easy to manage when you have one division working
on one OS, another working to support the old ones, the other developing
applications only for the mobile space while the last develops
exclusively for desktops. I truly believe that one application which
adapts to whatever setup it is being used on makes the most sense in
this day and age. However, Microsoft has screwed up great ideas before
so it remains to be seen what happens here.

I really just disagree here. I can't see how what would be the perfect
system for a phone would also be the perfect system on the desktop.
If you're going to compromise in the name of uniformity, well ok.
But neither is going to end up with the best.

We'll see how it pans out. It could end up being brilliant on power but
poorly brought to market like the Zune was.

[DFS]

Post by owl
My holster is for a gun.

I know someone who carries concealed into his office (CPA firm)
everyday. None of his bosses or coworkers know it - if the gun isn't on
his person it's in his briefcase.

cuckoo!

[owl]

Post by DFS

Post by owl
My holster is for a gun.

I know someone who carries concealed into his office (CPA firm)
everyday. None of his bosses or coworkers know it - if the gun isn't on
his person it's in his briefcase.
cuckoo!

What's "cuckoo" about that? If some disgruntled ex-employee comes
in one day to get revenge, that guy will will probably survive.
And if SHTF comes down while he's at work, he'll have a better chance
making it back home unmolested.

I carry everywhere it's legal to carry. And it's legal just
about everywhere around these parts. I usually carry concealed,
but mainly so nobody is tempted to kill me just to get my gun.
When I do open-carry, I also carry a concealed backup. And I
keep an AR in the trunk along with a bugout bag.

[DFS]

Post by owl

Post by DFS

Post by owl
My holster is for a gun.

I know someone who carries concealed into his office (CPA firm)
everyday. None of his bosses or coworkers know it - if the gun isn't on
his person it's in his briefcase.
cuckoo!

What's "cuckoo" about that?

It's extremely paranoid. And it might get him fired.

Post by owl
If some disgruntled ex-employee comes
in one day to get revenge, that guy will will probably survive.
And if SHTF comes down while he's at work, he'll have a better chance
making it back home unmolested.

if, probably, if, chance...

Post by owl
I carry everywhere it's legal to carry. And it's legal just
about everywhere around these parts. I usually carry concealed,
but mainly so nobody is tempted to kill me just to get my gun.
When I do open-carry, I also carry a concealed backup. And I
keep an AR in the trunk along with a bugout bag.

It must suck to be so worried all the time.

[owl]

Post by DFS

Post by owl

Post by DFS

Post by owl
My holster is for a gun.

I know someone who carries concealed into his office (CPA firm)
everyday. None of his bosses or coworkers know it - if the gun isn't on
his person it's in his briefcase.
cuckoo!

What's "cuckoo" about that?

It's extremely paranoid. And it might get him fired.

Some would say the risk is worth it. You know of this one guy
who carries. There are surely others you don't know about.
Most people who carry in violation of either law or company
policy don't advertise the fact.

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Post by owl
If some disgruntled ex-employee comes
in one day to get revenge, that guy will will probably survive.
And if SHTF comes down while he's at work, he'll have a better chance
making it back home unmolested.

if, probably, if, chance...

Life is about probabilities and mitigation.

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Post by owl
I carry everywhere it's legal to carry. And it's legal just
about everywhere around these parts. I usually carry concealed,
but mainly so nobody is tempted to kill me just to get my gun.
When I do open-carry, I also carry a concealed backup. And I
keep an AR in the trunk along with a bugout bag.

It must suck to be so worried all the time.

It must be nice to have a gun and know in advance exactly when
you're going to need it and when you're not. Did you come by
those psychic powers naturally or did you have to attend some
paranormal training academy?

[DFS]

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Post by owl
My holster is for a gun.

I know someone who carries concealed into his office (CPA
firm) everyday. None of his bosses or coworkers know it - if
the gun isn't on his person it's in his briefcase.
cuckoo!

What's "cuckoo" about that?

It's extremely paranoid. And it might get him fired.

Some would say the risk is worth it. You know of this one guy who
carries. There are surely others you don't know about. Most people
who carry in violation of either law or company policy don't
advertise the fact.

I don't doubt there are a small number of crazy, non-LEO people who
carry concealed guns into their office, in anticipation of saving the
day when another crazy, non-LEO person goes batshit.

They're both cuckoo.

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Post by owl
If some disgruntled ex-employee comes in one day to get revenge,
that guy will will probably survive. And if SHTF comes down while
he's at work, he'll have a better chance making it back home
unmolested.

if, probably, if, chance...

Life is about probabilities and mitigation.

Life is about sex and food... until you get older, then it's just about
food... until you get really old then it's just about staring into space
and thinking about the sex and food you used to enjoy.

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Post by owl
I carry everywhere it's legal to carry. And it's legal just
about everywhere around these parts. I usually carry concealed,
but mainly so nobody is tempted to kill me just to get my gun.
When I do open-carry, I also carry a concealed backup. And I
keep an AR in the trunk along with a bugout bag.

It must suck to be so worried all the time.

It must be nice to have a gun and know in advance exactly when you're
going to need it and when you're not. Did you come by those psychic
powers naturally or did you have to attend some paranormal training
academy?

Do you recall any instances where a non-LEO concealed-carrier stopped a
workplace attack in a white-collar office?

[owl]

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Post by DFS

Post by owl

Post by DFS

Post by owl
My holster is for a gun.

I know someone who carries concealed into his office (CPA
firm) everyday. None of his bosses or coworkers know it - if
the gun isn't on his person it's in his briefcase.
cuckoo!

What's "cuckoo" about that?

It's extremely paranoid. And it might get him fired.

Some would say the risk is worth it. You know of this one guy who
carries. There are surely others you don't know about. Most people
who carry in violation of either law or company policy don't
advertise the fact.

I don't doubt there are a small number of crazy, non-LEO people who
carry concealed guns into their office, in anticipation of saving the
day when another crazy, non-LEO person goes batshit.

Probably more in mind of saving their own ass.

Post by DFS
They're both cuckoo.

LEO this. LEO that. Do you have a blue crush?
Here's a clue. Most "LEOs" fire their weapons once a year at
qualification time, and they can't shoot for shit. That's why
it's always spray and pray with those guys, unloading a 15-round
mag in a panic and killing bystanders and hostages.

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Post by DFS

Post by owl
If some disgruntled ex-employee comes in one day to get revenge,
that guy will will probably survive. And if SHTF comes down while
he's at work, he'll have a better chance making it back home
unmolested.

if, probably, if, chance...

Life is about probabilities and mitigation.

Life is about sex and food... until you get older, then it's just about
food... until you get really old then it's just about staring into space
and thinking about the sex and food you used to enjoy.

LOL

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Post by DFS

Post by owl
I carry everywhere it's legal to carry. And it's legal just
about everywhere around these parts. I usually carry concealed,
but mainly so nobody is tempted to kill me just to get my gun.
When I do open-carry, I also carry a concealed backup. And I
keep an AR in the trunk along with a bugout bag.

It must suck to be so worried all the time.

It must be nice to have a gun and know in advance exactly when you're
going to need it and when you're not. Did you come by those psychic
powers naturally or did you have to attend some paranormal training
academy?

Do you recall any instances where a non-LEO concealed-carrier stopped a
workplace attack in a white-collar office?

Why all the stipulations? There was an office worker last year or so
who shot some maniac who came in and I believe tried to cut a woman's
head off, but IIRC he was an off-duty spare time cop, or an ex-cop or
something. That's irrelevant though, because at the time he was acting in
his capacity as the company's boss. There was I believe a doctor of some
kind who had to shoot a patient who came in with a gun and threatened him.
There are numerous cases of convenience store clerks defending themselves
with guns on the job, more than likely against store policy.

But let's not forget all the *dead* people at offices around the country
who were *not* able to defend themselves from a crazed disgruntled
ex-employee who came into the building killing everybody in sight.

I never would have pegged you as a fan of "gun-free zones." And if you're
not a fan of gun-free zones (AKA shooting galleries or slaughterhouses),
then why would you have any gripe about someone who chooses -- wisely,
I might add -- to ignore such an idiotic policy or law.