Post by Jan-Erik SoderholmPost by JF MezeiAt this point in time, if VMS management don't come forth...
How do you know they haven't ?
If VMS management had provided some customers with an explanation for
the low quality of 8.4 and indications that this is a temporary "ramp
up" problem, I suspect that there would have been such discussions here.
NDA might prevent discussing specifics, but someone could still say
something akin to "I have been given a warm and fuzzy feeling about the
improving capabilities of VMS engineering"
I have not seen any such posts in the past year.
Anone who had seen Sue's postings or attended one of her presentations
in person would have seen how she was able to provide warm and fuzzy
feelings about the state of VMS.
I have not seen not hears of such presentations, except from you for a
swedish TUD. But you did not provide any indication of whether they had
given you some information on the status of training/experience of the
engineering team.
Post by Jan-Erik SoderholmWhen was the last time you met and talked to anyone
from the current VMS group ?
It was at that webcast last year where Sue and Sujatha answered some
questions.
In that web cast, they were clearly NOT allowed to discuss the size of
the new team.
Post by Jan-Erik Soderholm*Customers* talkes directly to HP.
Large, privileged customers talk directly to HP. Not the small ones, nor
the hobbyists.
Post by Jan-Erik SoderholmDo you expect to see something from the VMS group on c.o.v ?
No. It was pretty clear from the start that they would coocoon
themselves and not participate on C.O.V.
And their participation in COV would be pointless since they would not
be allowed to release the information that many are seeking, just as
Sue/Sujatha had been prevented from doing so during the webcast.
Consider that we were told that we were not allowed to publish the
following slide from the Sue/Sujatha presentation:
Loading Image...You may be in a privileged situation with direct contacts with HP.
Perhaps you are under NDA. But consider that the rest of the VMS
community is not so fortunate.
And even if you were under NDA, you could post something akin to " I am
under NDA, but I can say that I have been given a warm and fuzzy feeling
about the capabilities of VMS engineering and that they are confident
the quality issue is a one time ramp up issue". I didn't see something
like that from you.
Perhaps HP India has only one customer (HP Corp), then they may be under
strict orders to funnel all customer communications through HP Corp
marketing. I don't know how they function.
I am still waiting for an org chart showing the chain of command between
Hurd/Livermore and Shobha/Director of VMS. That too seems to be taboo.
HP has the right to keep the size/capabilities of VMS engineering
secret. But by choosing to do so, they have to accept that people will
still question the capabilities of the team, especially in light of the
bad quality of 8.4 and the type of errors made by the new team.
Post by Jan-Erik SoderholmThat will not happen. C.o.v is "monitored" but they will
not post anything here from the group itself.
If they see some concern made by many here, they could arrange for
answers to make it to the group via informal channels. But then again,
they may not be allowed by HP Corp to provide such answers.
8.4 has not sparked questions about "when is the next version", it has
sparked questions about the VMS team is really qualified to handle such
a complex operating system. Such lack of confidence should be a concern
to HP, a concern which would be easily fixed with better communications.