Fishermen Sue Big Oil For Its Role In Climate Change

[Unum]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/12/04/671996313/fishermen-sue-big-oil-for-its-role-in-climate-change

While oil companies built seawalls and elevated their oil rigs to protect
critical production infrastructure from the rising sea level, they concealed
from the public the knowledge that burning fossil fuels could have
catastrophic impacts on the biosphere.

The fishermen's lawsuit appears to be the first time food producers have sued
the fossil fuel industry for allegedly harming the environment.

The lawsuit, filed in California's Superior Court, San Francisco county,
chronicles the fossil fuel industry's alleged role in obfuscating the likely
global effects of climate change and demands compensation from companies
including Chevron, ExxonMobil, BP and Shell Oil.

The crabbers' lawsuit comes amidst a string of court actions by cities against
the oil industry. In July, the mayor and city council of Baltimore filed suit
against 26 companies, alleging they knew but hid from the public the dangers
of fossil fuels.

Information uncovered by reporters recently suggests that oil, gas and coal
interests knew for decades that they were essentially facilitating the
alteration of the Earth to build their own industries. As outlined in a recent
New Yorker article by Bill McKibben, these companies promoted public relations
schemes to misinform the public, discouraged the development of alternative
energy sources, and even advertised the notion that more CO2 in the atmosphere
could promote plant growth and global crop yields.

[JTEM is right]

<Quote>
The first result of this interdisciplinary working group
was a paper[7] led by Jackson showing that fishing
predated any other major disturbance to marine ecosystems
in the Holocene. This paper was chosen as the most
important contribution of the year 2001 by Discover
Magazine[8]. It is, so far, the most cited paper coming
out of the National Center for Ecological Analysis and
Synthesis (NCEAS) in Santa Barbara, and one of the most
cited papers in marine ecology.
</Quote>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Jackson_(scientist)#Career

The point, of course, is that human impact on fishing
was already evident in pre industrial times. It's not
the result of "Global Warming" it's the result of
too many people eating.

[Unum]

Post by JTEM is right
The point, of course, is that human impact on fishing
was already evident in pre industrial times. It's not
the result of "Global Warming" it's the result of
too many people eating.

Fruitcake didn't bother to read the article, which destroys
his assertion.

"Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures have caused blooms of toxic algae
that, by producing the neurotoxin domoic acid, can make Dungeness crab and
other shellfish unsafe to eat. In the fall of 2015, state officials in
California and Oregon delayed the opening of crab season by several months,
until testing finally showed domoic acid levels had dipped back to safe
levels. Several similar closures have occurred since, including this year."

[JTEM is right]

Lol! The troll thinks he's got credibility...

Post by Unum
"Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures

The pervert forgot that 2017 was a La Nina year -- COLDER
than normal temperatures in the Pacific -- yet all the
global warming propaganda reported the opposite.

Here, the 2017 La Nina:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-2017-la-ni%C3%B1a-update-she%E2%80%99s-back

And here's the media claiming the exact opposite:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/26/in-2017-the-oceans-were-by-far-the-hottest-ever-recorded

Ironically, here's the Guardian reporting "Drastic"
cooling in the Atlantic for the same year:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/24/drastic-cooling-north-atlantic-beyond-worst-fears-scientists-warn


So we had an unusually cold pacific, we had a
"Drastically" cooling atlantic and yet your
propaganda machine keeps reporting that it was
"Hot."

This is why I know you're bat shit crazy, pervert.




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[Unum]

Post by JTEM is right
Lol! The troll thinks he's got credibility...

fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite, lol.

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Unum
"Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures

The pervert forgot that 2017 was a La Nina year -- COLDER
than normal temperatures in the Pacific -- yet all the
global warming propaganda reported the opposite.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-2017-la-ni%C3%B1a-update-she%E2%80%99s-back

Fruitcake was tooo stooopid to even read his own cite, which clearly states
that "East-central tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures were cooler than
the long-term average".

The northeast Pacific Ocean is not the same as the East-central
tropical Pacific.

[R Kym Horsell]

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right
Lol! The troll thinks he's got credibility...

fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite, lol.

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Unum
"Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures

The pervert forgot that 2017 was a La Nina year -- COLDER
than normal temperatures in the Pacific -- yet all the
global warming propaganda reported the opposite.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-2017-la-ni%C3%B1a-update-she%E2%80%99s-back

Fruitcake was tooo stooopid to even read his own cite, which clearly states
that "East-central tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures were cooler than
the long-term average".
The northeast Pacific Ocean is not the same as the East-central
tropical Pacific.

97% of fruitcake mistakes are due to 2 errors that even a 6 yo
supposedly has learned are false:

(a) every effect has one cause
if you show A causes B than C can't cause B.
Bzzzt!
(b) every datapoint is the same as the average
if the average increases then every datapoint must have increased.
Bzzzt!

The *real* hilbillies do multiple of each in the same thread or even single post.

[JTEM is right]

Post by Unum
fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite, lol.

Hey, pervert; it was a la nina year! By definition, that
requires COLDER than normal temperatures! You might as
well point at snow and declare it "Hot." No, wait, you've
done that hundreds of times already...






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[Unum]

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Unum
fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite, lol.

Hey, pervert; it was a la nina year! By definition, that
requires COLDER than normal temperatures! You might as

Why was the fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite?

[R Kym Horsell]

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Unum
fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite, lol.

Hey, pervert; it was a la nina year! By definition, that
requires COLDER than normal temperatures! You might as

Why was the fruitcake tooo stooopid to read the cite?

Genetic reasons.
--
The World Bank's money comes from a number of different sources. IBRD, which
provides loans to middle-income countries and to poorer countries able to
repay loans at terms based on market rates, raises most of its funds on the
world's financial markets by selling World Bank bonds to investors.
-- worldbank.org

The World Bank provides money to these types of governments and charges them
a lower rate of interest on the money they borrow than other banks. ... This
means the World Bank often makes a profit from its projects and programs.
This additional money is then used to loan more money to other developing
countries.
-- bankinginformationcenter.org/kids/

[JTEM is right]

Post by Unum
Why was

It was a la nina year! Doesn't matter how much
you want to oceans to boil away, it was a la
nina year! A la nina means COLDER than normal
temperatures.





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[Kym Horsell]

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Unum
Why was

It was a la nina year! Doesn't matter how much
you want to oceans to boil away, it was a la
nina year! A la nina means COLDER than normal
temperatures.

... in the equatorial E Pacific.

Why dont you look up HADSST (the av for the whole planet) and check your own
dum ideas before you blurt them out on the innernet for all to see?

Too much trouble?

--
Top 10 warmest years HadSST (rel 1980s; from 1850)
+------+-------------------+
| year | avg(anom) |
+------+-------------------+
| 2016 | 0.614333334068457 |
| 2015 | 0.594083334008853 |
| 2017 | 0.506333333750566 | <-- 3rd-warmest in 169y == "COLD"
according to some hillbilly
| 2014 | 0.47899999966224 |
| 2018 | 0.478000004183162 |
| 1998 | 0.417499999205271 |
| 2010 | 0.408250004053116 |
| 2009 | 0.397833331177632 |
| 2003 | 0.394333332777023 |
| 2005 | 0.392583332955837 |
+------+-------------------+

[AlleyCat]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 00:57:01 -0800 (PST), Kym Horsmell says...

Post by Kym Horsell
0.614333334068457

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Wally W.]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 00:57:01 -0800 (PST), Kym Horsell wrote:

Wait for it ... irony ahead ....

Post by Kym Horsell
Why dont you look up HADSST (the av for the whole planet) and
check your own dum ideas before you blurt them out
on the innernet for all to see?
Top 10 warmest years HadSST (rel 1980s; from 1850)
+------+-------------------+
| year | avg(anom) |
+------+-------------------+
| 2016 | 0.614333334068457 |

"the av for the whole planet" ... to 15 decimal places!


From: ***@kymhorsell.com
Subject: why do pedants pedant?
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:39:40 +1100

[P]edants are individuals who make excessive displays of their own
knowledge based on formal rules and ***overly precise details*** with
an enormity that disregards common sense.

[Wally W.]

Post by Wally W.
Wait for it ... irony ahead ....

Post by Kym Horsell
Why dont you look up HADSST (the av for the whole planet) and
check your own dum ideas before you blurt them out
on the innernet for all to see?
Top 10 warmest years HadSST (rel 1980s; from 1850)
+------+-------------------+
| year | avg(anom) |
+------+-------------------+
| 2016 | 0.614333334068457 |

"the av for the whole planet" ... to 15 decimal places!

<http://theconversation.com/the-arctic-we-dont-know-as-much-about-environmental-change-in-the-far-north-as-wed-like-to-think-108126>
We found that a third of all study citations originate from sites
within 50km of two research stations: Toolik Lake in Alaska and Abisko
in Sweden.

Some may think this sparse sampling can become part of an "av for the
whole planet" to 15 decimal places.

Post by Wally W.
Subject: why do pedants pedant?
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:39:40 +1100
[P]edants are individuals who make excessive displays of their own
knowledge based on formal rules and ***overly precise details*** with
an enormity that disregards common sense.

[Kym Horsell]

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right
The point, of course, is that human impact on fishing
was already evident in pre industrial times. It's not
the result of "Global Warming" it's the result of
too many people eating.

Fruitcake didn't bother to read the article, which destroys
his assertion.
"Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures have caused blooms of toxic algae
that, by producing the neurotoxin domoic acid, can make Dungeness crab and
other shellfish unsafe to eat. In the fall of 2015, state officials in
California and Oregon delayed the opening of crab season by several months,
until testing finally showed domoic acid levels had dipped back to safe
levels. Several similar closures have occurred since, including this year."

The ocean surf temp give only a rough idea of the warmth of currents at depth,
but the US NW is getting mighty toasty in summer these days:

Date Anom rel ~1980s avgs
21apr2016 +2.51
20apr2016 +2.35
22apr2016 +2.24
24apr2016 +2.20
18apr2016 +2.16
03apr2016 +2.07
23apr2016 +1.99

&ct.

From my daily records of the region 30% of days 2016-2017 saw a sst > +1C.

[Kym Horsell]

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right
The point, of course, is that human impact on fishing
was already evident in pre industrial times. It's not
the result of "Global Warming" it's the result of
too many people eating.

Fruitcake didn't bother to read the article, which destroys
his assertion.
"Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures have caused blooms of toxic algae
that, by producing the neurotoxin domoic acid, can make Dungeness crab and
other shellfish unsafe to eat. In the fall of 2015, state officials in
California and Oregon delayed the opening of crab season by several months,
until testing finally showed domoic acid levels had dipped back to safe
levels. Several similar closures have occurred since, including this year."

The ocean surf temp give only a rough idea of the warmth of currents at depth,
Date Anom rel ~1980s avgs
21apr2016 +2.51
20apr2016 +2.35
22apr2016 +2.24
24apr2016 +2.20
18apr2016 +2.16
03apr2016 +2.07
23apr2016 +1.99
&ct.
From my daily records of the region 30% of days 2016-2017 saw a sst > +1C.

From a past lil job for a local govt in OR I have the table:

Relationship between surface temp anom and water temps at depth:

Depth Multiplier
10m .65
20m .37
30m .24
40m .15
50m .10
100m ~0

So if the surf temps off the US NW are +2.5C above normal then

Depth Anom
0 +2.5
10m +1.6
20m +.93
30m +.60
40m +.38
50m +.25

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Climate change corzin climate change is an compleet unpoissibility!
Its just as unlogical as feedback "corsin" feedback!

[JTEM is right]

We had a la nina year, COLDER than normal
temperatures, and you nuts are still
pretending it was hot!





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[Catoni]

"... the US NW is getting mighty toasty in summer these days:"

The U.S. northwest is Global Climate ? ? (With thanks to comrade Bret Cahill)

[AlleyCat]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:45:14 -0600, Unum says...

Post by Unum
they concealed
from the public the knowledge that burning fossil fuels could have
catastrophic impacts on the biosphere

COULD? Why not DID? Never can commit to your stupid predictions, can you?

More bullshit whining. They overfished their OWN grounds, now they have an
out... sue someone.

Don't you EVER get tired of repeating yours and others' lies, day after
day, night after night?

Sad little spamming basement dweller.

"All these impacts we're dealing with have nothing to do with abundance of
the stock or overfishing."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now we KNOW it has to do with overfishing... they had to qualify it by
denyyyyyyying it.

overfishing.org - "... globally fishing fleets are at least two to three
times as large as needed to take present day catches of fish and other
marine species."

"52% of fish stocks are fully exploited"

[super70s]

Post by AlleyCat
More bullshit whining. They overfished their OWN grounds, now they have an
out... sue someone.

I guess fishermen around the world follow the Trump/Republican
manifesto: "We're going to behave in the most radical manner possible
just for the sake of behaving in the most radical manner possible."

[Lickspittle Trump Propagandist Sean Hannity]

Post by super70s
I guess fishermen around the world follow the Trump/Republican
manifesto: "We're going to behave in the most radical manner possible
just for the sake of behaving in the most radical manner possible."

If you don't side with big oil you should be imprisoned. Doesn't everybody
want to suck the cock of a Saudi Muslim Arab? Trump and his followers sure
do.

[AlleyCat]

On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 04:24:18 -0600, super70s says...

Post by super70s

Post by AlleyCat
More bullshit whining. They overfished their OWN grounds, now they have an
out... sue someone.

I guess fishermen around the world follow the Trump/Republican
manifesto: "We're going to behave in the most radical manner possible
just for the sake of behaving in the most radical manner possible."

Thanks for the endorsement. ;-)

[Lickspittle Trump Propagandist Sean Hannity]

Post by super70s
I guess fishermen around the world follow the Trump/Republican
manifesto: "We're going to behave in the most radical manner possible
just for the sake of behaving in the most radical manner possible."

If you don't side with big oil you should be imprisoned. Doesn't everybody
want to suck the cock of a Saudi Muslim Arab? Trump and his followers sure
do.

[Lickspittle Trump Propagandist Sean Hannity]

Post by super70s
I guess fishermen around the world follow the Trump/Republican
manifesto: "We're going to behave in the most radical manner possible
just for the sake of behaving in the most radical manner possible."

If you don't side with big oil you should be imprisoned. Doesn't everybody
want to suck the cock of a Saudi Muslim Arab? Trump and his followers sure
do.

[Unum]

Post by AlleyCat
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:45:14 -0600, Unum says...

Post by Unum
they concealed
from the public the knowledge that burning fossil fuels could have
catastrophic impacts on the biosphere

COULD? Why not DID? Never can commit to your stupid predictions, can you?
More bullshit whining. They overfished their OWN grounds, now they have an
out... sue someone.

Obvious lie.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/12/04/671996313/fishermen-sue-big-oil-for-its-role-in-climate-change

Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures have caused blooms of toxic algae
that, by producing the neurotoxin domoic acid, can make Dungeness crab and
other shellfish unsafe to eat. In the fall of 2015, state officials in
California and Oregon delayed the opening of crab season by several months,
until testing finally showed domoic acid levels had dipped back to safe
levels. Several similar closures have occurred since, including this year.

[AlleyCat]

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:50:35 -0600, Unum says...

Post by Unum
Obvious lie.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/12/04/671996313/fishermen-sue-big-oil-for-its-role-in-climate-change
Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures have caused blooms of toxic algae
that, by producing the neurotoxin domoic acid, can make Dungeness crab and
other shellfish unsafe to eat. In the fall of 2015, state officials in
California and Oregon delayed the opening of crab season by several months,
until testing finally showed domoic acid levels had dipped back to safe
levels. Several similar closures have occurred since, including this year.

An obvious lie.

=====

Why Is Overfishing A Problem

We already discussed that globally fishing fleets are at least two to
three times as large as needed to take present day catches of fish and
other marine species. To explain why overfishing is a problem we first
have to get an idea on the scale of the problem.

This is best done by looking at some figures published by the UN Food and
Agriculture Organization.(1)

The FAO scientists publish a two yearly report (SOFIA) on the state of the
world's fisheries and aquaculture.(2)

The report is generally rather conservative regarding the acknowledging of
problems but does show the key issue and trends. Due to the difficulty of
aggregating and combining the data it can be stated that the SOFIA report
is a number of years behind of the real situation.

52% of fish stocks are fully exploited
20% are moderately exploited
17% are overexploited
7% are depleted
1% is recovering from depletion

The above shows that over 25% of all the world's fish stocks are either
overexploited or depleted. Another 52% is fully exploited, these are in
imminent danger of overexploitation (maximum sustainable production level)
and collapse.

Thus a total of almost 80% of the world's fisheries are fully- to over-
exploited, depleted, or in a state of collapse. Worldwide about 90% of the
stocks of large predatory fish stocks are already gone. In the real world
all this comes down to two serious problems.

We are losing species as well as entire ecosystems. As a result the
overall ecological unity of our oceans are under stress and at risk of
collapse.

We are in risk of losing a valuable food source many depend upon for
social, economical or dietary reasons.

The single best example of the ecological and economical dangers of
overfishing is found in Newfoundland, Canada. In 1992 the once thriving
cod fishing industry came to a sudden and full stop when at the start of
the fishing season no cod appeared.

Overfishing allowed by decades of fisheries mismanagement was the main
cause for this disaster that resulted in almost 40.000 people losing their
livelihood and an ecosystem in complete state of decay.

Now, fifteen years after the collapse, many fishermen are still waiting
for the cod to return and communities still haven't recovered from the
sudden removal of the regions single most important economical driver. The
only people thriving in this region are the ones fishing for crab, a
species once considered a nuisance by the Newfoundland fishermen.


Fishing Down The Food Web

It's not only the fish that is affected by fishing. As we are fishing down
the food web(3) the increasing effort needed to catch something of
commercial value marine mammals, sharks, sea birds, and non commercially
viable fish species in the web of marine biodiversity are overexploited,
killed as bycatch and discarded (up to 80% of the catch for certain
fisheries), and threatened by the industrialized fisheries.(4)

Scientists agree that at current exploitation rates many important fish
stocks will be removed from the system within 25 years. Dr. Daniel Pauly
describes it as follows:

"The big fish, the bill fish, the groupers, the big things will be gone.
It is happening now. If things go unchecked, we'll have a sea full of
little horrible things that nobody wants to eat. We might end up with a
marine junkyard dominated by plankton."(5)

Dr. Daniel Pauly, Professor and Director of the University of British
Columbia's Fisheries Centre, gives a short introduction on the problem of
overfishing. A fragment from an Oceana video.(6)

Continue to chapter three: What can I do to help.

(1) The FAO Fish and Aquaculture organisation -
http://www.fao.org/fi/default.asp ?

(2) The State of World Fisheries and Aquaculture (SOFIA) can be found on
http://www.fao.org/sof/sofia/index_en.htm. Figures on this page are taken
from the 2006 version of the report. As of 2011 the situation has became
worse. ?

(3) Fishing down the food chain: After depleting the most valuable fish we
move on the second most valuable fish etc etc. This both involves
physically fishing on different locations (from sea mount to sea mount) as
well as changing to different, usually smaller, species. Between 1950 and
now we systematically worked down our way along the food chain by fishing
out all the top predators one after the other. ?

(4) The total amount of fish we take from the system and consume is rising
every year. In 2005 we consumed 95 million tonnes of fish. 86 million
tonnes of this came from marine fisheries and 9 from inland fisheries.
Fish farming accounted for another 50 million tonnes (43%) of production,
indirect much of this was fed with the fish from the marine fisheries. In
1980 less than 10 percent of all fish came from fish farming. ?

(5) Dr. Daniel Pauly and others, "Fishing Down Marine Food Webs" SCIENCE
Vol. 279 (February 6, 1998), pgs. 860-863. ?

(6) Fisheries on the Brink, Oceana. video.google.com. Edited by the author
of Overfishing.org.

[Rex Burkheimer]

[bullshit]

Not a three sport letterman; not a bouncer; not a tough guy in any way.

You rancid cunt.

[AlleyCat]

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:49:11 -0800, Rex Burkheimer says...

[bullshit]

A three sport letterman; a bouncer; and a tough guy in every way.

Jealous little midget. You forgot lifeguard (more pussy in ONE summer than
you will get your whole lifetime), an assistant golf-pro, and assorted
other jobs, skills and vocations you could only DREAM of being any good
at.

Did you watch TV with mommy and wonder why YOU couldn't be a bigger man?
Did you ask HER why she smoked so many cigarettes why she was preggoes
with you? How else do you explain your tiny stature.

Look at it this way... your practically a giant in some parts of the
Congo.

Rudy holding baby brother:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Ota_Benga_at_Bronx_Zoo
.jpg

Rudy and family:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/African_Pigmies_CNE-
v1-p58-B.jpg

Who's the short white guy?

Are you a stunt man? No, just stunted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Give it up Rudy... you're just another little nerdy dweeb, who denies
anyone was anything more than you, because you NEED to belittle people to
make you feel good about yourself, so you can keep from swallowing a gun
barrel and can sleep at night.

You rancid asshole.

Actually I douched a little while ago. Had to dislodge your tiny little
dumb ass outta my butt, you speck of dirty toilet paper.

[Unum]

Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:50:35 -0600, Unum says...

Post by Unum
Obvious lie.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/12/04/671996313/fishermen-sue-big-oil-for-its-role-in-climate-change
Since 2014, the northeast Pacific Ocean has experienced several dramatic
marine heatwaves. The higher temperatures have caused blooms of toxic algae
that, by producing the neurotoxin domoic acid, can make Dungeness crab and
other shellfish unsafe to eat. In the fall of 2015, state officials in
California and Oregon delayed the opening of crab season by several months,
until testing finally showed domoic acid levels had dipped back to safe
levels. Several similar closures have occurred since, including this year.

An obvious lie.
=====
Why Is Overfishing A Problem

Wasn't a problem in this case was it, you sad little moron.

[JTEM is right]

Post by AlleyCat
COULD? Why not DID? Never can commit to your stupid predictions, can you?

Predictions? I found two cites talking about how
cold the oceans were in 2017, and these idiots
"Report" that they were hot!

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-2017-la-ni%C3%B1a-update-she%E2%80%99s-back

They can't or won't accurate report what has happened,
past tense, let alone "Predict" the future!






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[Kym Horsell]

Post by JTEM is right

Post by AlleyCat
COULD? Why not DID? Never can commit to your stupid predictions, can you?

Predictions? I found two cites talking about how
cold the oceans were in 2017, and these idiots
"Report" that they were hot!

Unfortunately for hillbillies, the oceans are not at a uniform temperature.
They can be "hot" and "cold" at the same time.
E.g. in 2017 there was a big coral bleach across most of the world.
I guess they didn't feature that in the Dogpatch Guzet.

Post by JTEM is right
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/november-2017-la-ni%C3%B1a-update-she%E2%80%99s-back
They can't or won't accurate report what has happened,
past tense, let alone "Predict" the future!
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[JTEM is right]

Post by Kym Horsell
Unfortunately for hillbillies, the oceans are not at a uniform temperature.

You just admitted that you lied when you said
they were warm during a cold period.





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[Kym Horsell]

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Kym Horsell
Unfortunately for hillbillies, the oceans are not at a uniform temperature.

You just admitted that you lied when you said
they were warm during a cold period.

And now you're claiming the oceans are at a uniform temperature and
anyone that says different is lying.

[JTEM is right]

Post by Kym Horsell
And now you're claiming the oceans are at a uniform temperature and

Wait. If they're not, and they were indeed cold, and
they were, then that makes you TWICE the liar!






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[Catoni]

"...and even advertised the notion that more CO2 in the atmosphere
could promote plant growth and global crop yields."

Hmmmm...... "....notion..."....

It appears that statement implies that more CO2 in the atmosphere does NOT promote plant growth and crop yields..

So comrade "Unum"......do you agree with that statement? Are you implying that CO2 does NOT promote plant growth and crop yields?

[JTEM is right]

Post by Catoni
It appears that statement implies that more CO2 in the
atmosphere does NOT promote plant growth and crop yields..

Dude, you're talking to someone who thinks fishing boats
run on lemon juice & happy thoughts, instead of fossil
fuels. Cut them a little slack.





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