Yanks only half as good as us at making electricity:

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

Post by Arthur Brain
As a consequence of american under-performance in this area, it
generally
takes about 15 minutes of zapping to end the lives of their death-row
inmates, who are, needless to say, almost all black.
It is encouraging, however, to note that some american states,
concerned
about the obvious inhumanity of death by electrocution, have taken a
leaf
out of Adolf Hitler's book and built gas chambers with which to
terminate
the lives of their (black) criminals.
Hooray.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Trevor Wilson

2006-05-19 02:44:31 UTC

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and blatant
stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human. Here in
the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use multiphase
power. Moreover, like the rest of the civilised world, we don't approve of
state-sanctioned murder. We're also signatories to teh Geneva Convention.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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Larry in AZ

2006-05-19 03:26:10 UTC

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

You're an idiot to even begin this debate.

--
"And idiots begat fools, and fools begat morons, and morons
begat imbeciles, and imbeciles begat dufuses. And then
YuroPeons realized they could do this with people outside
their immediate families..."

Trevor Wilson

2006-05-19 03:59:13 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.

Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

Post by Larry in AZ
You're an idiot to even begin this debate.

**Only a complete idiot (IE: American) would be dumb enough to accuse me of
starting the debate. Hint: I didn't.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 04:24:31 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

Philip

2006-05-19 04:36:45 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

This is as stupid an argument as the one that erupted in New Zealand
years ago when Wellington tv was given Channel 1 (WNTV1), and Auckland
tv Channel 2 /AKTV2), and some demented Aucklanders started dripping
about the insult to the nation's largest city for not having the "number
1 channel".

AC power is available to most US homes at 240 volts. Heavy current
appliances, like air conditioners and clothes driers, are fed from a 240
volt circuit, low-current house wiring is 120 nominal at 60 Hz.

You are marginally less likely to drop dead from touching the live wire
in an American home than you are in a New Zealand one. Very marginally.

I would feel as safe using an appliance in a home wired to US code as I
would in NZ, Oz, UK or Germany in a house wired to the appropriate local
code. And that's very safe.

Sheesh, of all the seriously dim assertions that get made, an attempt to
make mains voltage into a national virility symbol is well away with the
pixies.

Philip

Clough

2006-05-19 06:37:53 UTC

Post by Trevor Wilson
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

And yet you get your asses kicked in every third world country you
invade. Talk about losers, you Americunts are in a league of your own.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 09:43:05 UTC

Post by Trevor Wilson
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

And yet you get your asses kicked in every third world country you
invade.

Oh yeah, the mighty arab warriors who crumbled in weeks. Hehehe

Post by Clough
Talk about losers, you Americunts are in a league of your own.

I'm Australian, dopey.

Clough

2006-05-19 10:45:51 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

And yet you get your asses kicked in every third world country you
invade.

Oh yeah, the mighty arab warriors who crumbled in weeks. Hehehe

You mean "Mission Accomplished"?

If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

Post by Clough
Talk about losers, you Americunts are in a league of your own.

I'm Australian, dopey.

So, you like kissing Americunt ass to make it better.

It sure enough needs it.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 10:55:52 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

And yet you get your asses kicked in every third world country you
invade.

Oh yeah, the mighty arab warriors who crumbled in weeks. Hehehe

You mean "Mission Accomplished"?

"Mission Accomplished" was describing the ship that was on tour for 1.5
years. It accomplished its mission flawlessly. Of course you dopey
shitstains read something entirely different in such a simple statement.

Post by Clough
If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

Post by Clough
Talk about losers, you Americunts are in a league of your own.

I'm Australian, dopey.

So, you like kissing Americunt ass to make it better.
It sure enough needs it.
Clough

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 11:33:37 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 06:55:52 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
You mean "Mission Accomplished"?

Yeah, sure. <snigger>

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 12:08:53 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 06:55:52 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
You mean "Mission Accomplished"?

Yeah, sure. <snigger>
Clough

I guess you must believe whatever helps you get through the night as a
non great American.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 12:06:20 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

And yet you get your asses kicked in every third world country you
invade.

Oh yeah, the mighty arab warriors who crumbled in weeks. Hehehe

You mean "Mission Accomplished"?
If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

It would look like losing, stupid.

Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

Post by Clough
Talk about losers, you Americunts are in a league of your own.

I'm Australian, dopey.

So, you like kissing Americunt ass to make it better.
It sure enough needs it.

Awww, somebody needs hugs

Clough

2006-05-19 12:15:20 UTC

Post by Clough
You mean "Mission Accomplished"?
If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

It would look like losing, stupid.

Just like it looks now.

Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

Everybody else calls it 'getting your asses kicked'.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now the Americunts are getting theirs kicked.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 12:18:51 UTC

Post by Clough
You mean "Mission Accomplished"?
If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

It would look like losing, stupid.

Just like it looks now.
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

And your country was in Nam for how long??

Post by Clough
Everybody else calls it 'getting your asses kicked'.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now the Americunts are getting theirs kicked.
Clough

Where?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 12:44:53 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:18:51 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

And your country was in Nam for how long??

The UK was sensible enough to keep out of Vietnam.

Only Americunts would be dumb enough to go there, bend over and take
it like they did for as long as they did.

And you're still doing it. Watching Americunts getting their asses
kicked and being humiliated around the world is just beautiful. You
might be a bunch of losers, but you are great entertainment value.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now the Americunts are getting theirs kicked.

Where?

Iraq. And soon in Iran.

Keep tuned, the Americunt Dumbo in Chief will soon order Moronica to
bend over once again into getting its ass kicked mode.

And if there is one thing the Americunts are good at, it is getting
their asses kicked.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 12:56:02 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:18:51 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

And your country was in Nam for how long??

The UK was sensible enough to keep out of Vietnam.
Only Americunts would be dumb enough to go there, bend over and take
it like they did for as long as they did.

Except even the North Vietnamese admitted the USA would have won the
war had the US military been unshackled by stupid political decisions.
They were never bested on the battlefield

Post by Clough
And you're still doing it. Watching Americunts getting their asses
kicked and being humiliated around the world is just beautiful.

Must have been hard for you to see Saddam's regime get obliterated, and
the Taliban's....and the soviets being beaten in the cold war.

Post by Clough
You
might be a bunch of losers, but you are great entertainment value.

Well, they are the most powerful country that has ever existed. Get
over your insecurity complex, Mr. Cuddles

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now the Americunts are getting theirs kicked.

Where?

Iraq. And soon in Iran.

LOL. yeah, saddam crushed in weeks. And the Iranians would be too.
That's what happens when muslims meet the Us military - muslims get
their arse kicked.

Post by Clough
Keep tuned, the Americunt Dumbo in Chief will soon order Moronica to
bend over once again into getting its ass kicked mode.
And if there is one thing the Americunts are good at, it is getting
their asses kicked.

Awww, somebody needs hugs. I notice Saddam still isn't in power. I
thought you said he won, Mr. Cuddles

Clough

2006-05-19 13:30:09 UTC

Post by Clough
The UK was sensible enough to keep out of Vietnam.
Only Americunts would be dumb enough to go there, bend over and take
it like they did for as long as they did.

Except even the North Vietnamese admitted the USA would have won the
war had the US military been unshackled by stupid political decisions.
They were never bested on the battlefield

Won all the battles but lost the war. Only Americunts could do that.

You are even dumber than I thought

Post by Clough
And you're still doing it. Watching Americunts getting their asses
kicked and being humiliated around the world is just beautiful.

Must have been hard for you to see Saddam's regime get obliterated, and
the Taliban's....and the soviets being beaten in the cold war.

Winning the battles and ending up with your butts kicked. That takes a
special genius.

Post by Clough
And if there is one thing the Americunts are good at, it is getting
their asses kicked.

Awww, somebody needs hugs. I notice Saddam still isn't in power. I
thought you said he won, Mr. Cuddles

I didn't say Saddam won. I said the Americunts are losing. Which they
are. And they will lose even more when the Dumbo in Chief attacks
Iran.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 03:49:17 UTC

Post by Clough
The UK was sensible enough to keep out of Vietnam.
Only Americunts would be dumb enough to go there, bend over and take
it like they did for as long as they did.

Except even the North Vietnamese admitted the USA would have won the
war had the US military been unshackled by stupid political decisions.
They were never bested on the battlefield

Won all the battles but lost the war. Only Americunts could do that.
You are even dumber than I thought

So, you acknowledge their military superiority. Thanks for playing.

Post by Clough
And you're still doing it. Watching Americunts getting their asses
kicked and being humiliated around the world is just beautiful.

Must have been hard for you to see Saddam's regime get obliterated, and
the Taliban's....and the soviets being beaten in the cold war.

Winning the battles and ending up with your butts kicked. That takes a
special genius.

Won Iraq, won Afghanistan, won cold war. Looks like American supremacy
to me. Time for you to get over it, Mr. Cuddles

Post by Clough
And if there is one thing the Americunts are good at, it is getting
their asses kicked.

Awww, somebody needs hugs. I notice Saddam still isn't in power. I
thought you said he won, Mr. Cuddles

I didn't say Saddam won. I said the Americunts are losing.

LOL. SO they won, and they're still there, and they're not losing any
ground, and they held elections, but they're "losing". Heh. Using this
logic, you could say Hitler won WW2. Great thinking there, Mr. Cuddles.

Post by Clough
Which they
are. And they will lose even more when the Dumbo in Chief attacks
Iran.

Lack of specifics noted yet again. You really need to get over your
insecurity complex about Americans, Mr. Cuddles

Clough

2006-05-20 05:34:55 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
Except even the North Vietnamese admitted the USA would have won the
war had the US military been unshackled by stupid political decisions.
They were never bested on the battlefield

Won all the battles but lost the war. Only Americunts could do that.
You are even dumber than I thought

So, you acknowledge their military superiority. Thanks for playing.

I've never doubted Americunt conventional military superiority.

Where the Americunts get their butts kicked is in assymetrical
warfare. Like in Vietnam and Iraq.

And, soon to come, Iran.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Won Iraq, won Afghanistan, won cold war. Looks like American supremacy
to me. Time for you to get over it, Mr. Cuddles

The 'victory' that the Americunts claim they won in Iraq is a victory
most Americans are beginning to realise they would be better off
without.

Post by Clough
I didn't say Saddam won. I said the Americunts are losing.

The Americunts won the fight for the occupation of Iraq. They are
badly losing the fight to control Iraq and bring it to the conclusion
they said they would before invading. They can't claim they've won
before they have achieved their war aims. And they certainly are not
achieving those.

Quite the opposite.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 06:36:51 UTC

Won all the battles but lost the war. Only Americunts could do that.
You are even dumber than I thought

So, you acknowledge their military superiority. Thanks for playing.

I've never doubted Americunt conventional military superiority.
Where the Americunts get their butts kicked is in assymetrical
warfare. Like in Vietnam and Iraq.

Then howcome they can't be besed on the battlefield in either
circumstance?

They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Post by Clough
And, soon to come, Iran.

Heh. Iran couldn't even beat Saddam's useless troops, and ones the USA
crushed in weeks

Post by t***@gmail.com
Won Iraq, won Afghanistan, won cold war. Looks like American supremacy
to me. Time for you to get over it, Mr. Cuddles

The 'victory' that the Americunts claim they won in Iraq is a victory
most Americans are beginning to realise they would be better off
without.

Well, occupation is an expensive process. Doesn't mean they didn't kick
the Iraqi's arse, stupid.

Post by Clough
I didn't say Saddam won. I said the Americunts are losing.

Desposed Saddam
Destroyed any future chance of WMD threats out of that country
Installed a democratic government

Looks like good progress to me, stupid. I thought you said they were
getting their arses kicked? Funny you can't come up with specifics

Clough

2006-05-20 06:57:55 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq. Hardly surprising seeing the
out of control mess there.

Post by Clough
And, soon to come, Iran.

Heh. Iran couldn't even beat Saddam's useless troops, and ones the USA
crushed in weeks

So, 'mission accomplished' means getting bogged down in a quagmire
with no way out, does it.

Post by Clough
The 'victory' that the Americunts claim they won in Iraq is a victory
most Americans are beginning to realise they would be better off
without.

Well, occupation is an expensive process. Doesn't mean they didn't kick
the Iraqi's arse, stupid.

So the Iraqis have now got all peaceable and do as the Americunts tell
them, do they?

It sure looks like it is the Americunts who are getting their asses
kicked.

Post by Clough
The Americunts won the fight for the occupation of Iraq. They are
badly losing the fight to control Iraq and bring it to the conclusion
they said they would before invading. They can't claim they've won
before they have achieved their war aims. And they certainly are not
achieving those.
Quite the opposite.

Desposed Saddam
Destroyed any future chance of WMD threats out of that country
Installed a democratic government

When the Americunts withdraw from a peaceful, democratic Iraq they can
clam victory. It sure doesn't look like that day is going to arrive.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Looks like good progress to me, stupid. I thought you said they were
getting their arses kicked? Funny you can't come up with specifics

Bombs exploding everywhere, death toll mounting, full civil war on the
verge of breaking out, the Americunts hopelessly trying to get some
sort of control and failing badly.

If 'getting your ass kicked' is the same as 'victory' then the
Americunts have a victory.

Clough

Brash

2006-05-20 07:11:50 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq. Hardly surprising seeing the
out of control mess there.

Been there and seen this so-called "mess" for yourself? Or do you base your
"knowledge" on the occasional 30 secong byte on the evening news?

Post by Clough
And, soon to come, Iran.

Heh. Iran couldn't even beat Saddam's useless troops, and ones the USA
crushed in weeks

So, 'mission accomplished' means getting bogged down in a quagmire
with no way out, does it.

Post by Clough
The 'victory' that the Americunts claim they won in Iraq is a victory
most Americans are beginning to realise they would be better off
without.

Well, occupation is an expensive process. Doesn't mean they didn't kick
the Iraqi's arse, stupid.

So the Iraqis have now got all peaceable and do as the Americunts tell
them, do they?
It sure looks like it is the Americunts who are getting their asses
kicked.

Been there to see this for yourself?

Desposed Saddam
Destroyed any future chance of WMD threats out of that country
Installed a democratic government

When the Americunts withdraw from a peaceful, democratic Iraq they can
clam victory. It sure doesn't look like that day is going to arrive.

It will get there eventually. Despite your wishes.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Looks like good progress to me, stupid. I thought you said they were
getting their arses kicked? Funny you can't come up with specifics

Bombs exploding everywhere,

Everywhere? I suppose it might seem like that to someone whose experience
is derived from what they see on TV now and then.

Post by Clough
death toll mounting, full civil war on the
verge of breaking out, the Americunts hopelessly trying to get some
sort of control and failing badly.

Says an "expert" on the topic with no clue.

--
You brought it on yourself.

Me.

Post by Clough
If 'getting your ass kicked' is the same as 'victory' then the
Americunts have a victory.
Clough

Clough

2006-05-20 08:01:20 UTC

Post by Clough
Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq. Hardly surprising seeing the
out of control mess there.

Been there and seen this so-called "mess" for yourself? Or do you base your
"knowledge" on the occasional 30 secong byte on the evening news?

I sure don't base anything on Fox News.

Americunt news reporting?

Yeah, sure.

Clough

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:13:25 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq. Hardly surprising seeing
the out of control mess there.

Been there and seen this so-called "mess" for yourself? Or do you
base your "knowledge" on the occasional 30 secong byte on the evening
news?

He bases it on his extreme envy. He wishes hecould be a real man, but his
pussy society won't allow it.

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 07:26:06 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq. Hardly surprising seeing the
out of control mess there.

More vague statements with no specifics

Post by Clough
And, soon to come, Iran.

Heh. Iran couldn't even beat Saddam's useless troops, and ones the USA
crushed in weeks

So, 'mission accomplished' means getting bogged down in a quagmire
with no way out, does it.

What 'quagmire'? They could leave any time they want, idiot.

Saddam over thrown, democracy installed. Looks like victory to me. Your
continuing lack of specifics showing otherwise is telling

Post by Clough
The 'victory' that the Americunts claim they won in Iraq is a victory
most Americans are beginning to realise they would be better off
without.

Well, occupation is an expensive process. Doesn't mean they didn't kick
the Iraqi's arse, stupid.

So the Iraqis have now got all peaceable and do as the Americunts tell
them, do they?
It sure looks like it is the Americunts who are getting their asses
kicked.

Again, more vague statements without specifics. You sure do have one
huge insecurity complex about American success.

Desposed Saddam
Destroyed any future chance of WMD threats out of that country
Installed a democratic government

When the Americunts withdraw from a peaceful, democratic Iraq they can
clam victory. It sure doesn't look like that day is going to arrive.

Well, it's democratic. A good start

Post by t***@gmail.com
Looks like good progress to me, stupid. I thought you said they were
getting their arses kicked? Funny you can't come up with specifics

Bombs exploding everywhere, death toll mounting, full civil war on the
verge of breaking out,

Oh yes, the "civil war' which has been predicted for 3 years and never
seems to actually happen.....

Post by Clough
the Americunts hopelessly trying to get some
sort of control and failing badly.

Except for the whole regime being deposed and democracy being
installed. But don't let reality interfere with your brainless slogans

Post by Clough
If 'getting your ass kicked' is the same as 'victory' then the
Americunts have a victory.

Again, you still can't detail any specifics about Americans "getting
their ass kicked". How very telling, Mr. Cuddles

Gregory Shearman

2006-05-20 13:06:59 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq. Hardly surprising seeing the
out of control mess there.

More vague statements with no specifics

Yeah... vague like the latest opinion polls, eh?

Out of control?

How long did Rumsfeld say it was going to take... a few weeks POSSIBLY a few
months... but NEVER more than a year...

Isn't that it?

They are still there... costing a billion dollars a month... in hock to
their eyeballs with China.... they are in SERIOUSLY deep shit... and we
share it with them.

Post by Clough
And, soon to come, Iran.

Heh. Iran couldn't even beat Saddam's useless troops, and ones the USA
crushed in weeks

So, 'mission accomplished' means getting bogged down in a quagmire
with no way out, does it.

What 'quagmire'? They could leave any time they want, idiot.

So, they leave... and a fundamentalist government takes over... just like
what happened to Iran...

Great work USA... installing fundamentalist muslim governments around the
world...

BTW, please keep things civil. Your lack of argument is no reason for
insults.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Saddam over thrown, democracy installed. Looks like victory to me. Your
continuing lack of specifics showing otherwise is telling

There's no democracy.. they haven't even got a government.

You cannot have democracy unless:

a) EVERY party gets a chance to field a candidate

b) The electorate is fully informed.

Both of these conditions in Iraq have NOT been met. Therefore, no democracy.

Saddam? He was the responsibility of Iraqis.. not the USA... this invasion
was illegal.

Post by Clough
When the Americunts withdraw from a peaceful, democratic Iraq they can
clam victory. It sure doesn't look like that day is going to arrive.

Well, it's democratic. A good start

No it is not. See above. The conditions for democracy have not been met.

Post by Clough
Bombs exploding everywhere, death toll mounting, full civil war on the
verge of breaking out,

Oh yes, the "civil war' which has been predicted for 3 years and never
seems to actually happen.....

Who predicts it?
The USA... they tell the world that they bring PEACE to Iraq... they are of
course lying. They brought terrorism and destruction to Iraq... they
brought child malnutrition to Iraq...

Good one USA.

Post by Clough
the Americunts hopelessly trying to get some
sort of control and failing badly.

Except for the whole regime being deposed and democracy being
installed. But don't let reality interfere with your brainless slogans

"being installed"?

You told us above that democracy has already BEEN installed!

Come on now.. get your story straight... do they have democracy or don't
they?

See above for the conditions required for democracy.

Post by Clough
If 'getting your ass kicked' is the same as 'victory' then the
Americunts have a victory.

Again, you still can't detail any specifics about Americans "getting
their ass kicked". How very telling, Mr. Cuddles

More than 2000 deaths in Iraq... 20000 injuries.

1 billion dollars a month in costs.... in hock to the eyeballs with China.
They are in DEEP shit.

How long did Rumsfeld ASSURE the USA that they'd be in Iraq?

Ass kicking is a MILD term for what is happening to them.

--
Regards,

Gregory.
"Ding-a-ding-dang,My Dang-a-long ling-long"

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:12:22 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq.

Whoop-de-fucking do... And most wish that we didn't have to pay taxes, or
drive to work, or grow old.

At least there are enough Americans who aren't afraid to do what needs
doing, unlike you and your YurPeon pussy pals.

Chris X

2006-05-20 13:19:08 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq.

Whoop-de-fucking do...

Still, a growing number are coming home.

Permanently.

In boxes :)

http://icasualties.org/oif/

2,455 and counting.

While Moronica bankrupts itself in spectacular fashion ...

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Yanks ;))
http://costofwar.com/
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:29:09 UTC

Post by Chris X

Post by Larry in AZ

Post by t***@gmail.com
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Most Americans wish they weren't in Iraq.

Whoop-de-fucking do...

Still, a growing number are coming home.
Permanently.
In boxes

That happens when people shoot at each other...

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:09:27 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
Except even the North Vietnamese admitted the USA would have won
the war had the US military been unshackled by stupid political
decisions. They were never bested on the battlefield

Won all the battles but lost the war. Only Americunts could do that.
You are even dumber than I thought

So, you acknowledge their military superiority. Thanks for playing.

I've never doubted Americunt conventional military superiority.
Where the Americunts get their butts kicked is in assymetrical
warfare. Like in Vietnam and Iraq.

Then howcome they can't be besed on the battlefield in either
circumstance?
They're still in Iraq, and Saddam's regime is still wiped out.

Let's see what he makes up next...

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:08:33 UTC

Post by Clough
Where the Americunts get their butts kicked is in assymetrical
warfare. Like in Vietnam and Iraq.

Maybe you could explain how we got our butts kicked, you retard.

You're typical of YurPeons and other associated pussies. Like a bunch of
pissed up soccer hooligans, all you can do is whine and complain about the
players while you sit on your fat arses swilling Fosters.

It's easy being spectators, innit...

Piss off, loser.

regn pickford

2006-05-20 04:53:01 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:18:51 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

And your country was in Nam for how long??

The UK was sensible enough to keep out of Vietnam.

Ireland?

Post by Clough
Only Americunts would be dumb enough to go there, bend over and take
it like they did for as long as they did.
And you're still doing it. Watching Americunts getting their asses
kicked and being humiliated around the world is just beautiful. You
might be a bunch of losers, but you are great entertainment value.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now the Americunts are getting theirs kicked.

Where?

Iraq. And soon in Iran.
Keep tuned, the Americunt Dumbo in Chief will soon order Moronica to
bend over once again into getting its ass kicked mode.
And if there is one thing the Americunts are good at, it is getting
their asses kicked.
Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 12:50:50 UTC

Post by Clough
You mean "Mission Accomplished"?
If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

It would look like losing, stupid.

Just like it looks now.

Sure, just ask Saddam. mwahaha

Post by Clough
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

vietnam = never lost on the battlfield
mogadishu = small number of US soldiers kick muslim ass
Iraq = crushed saddam's regime in weeks, put in a democratic system.
it's called winning

Post by Clough
Everybody else calls it 'getting your asses kicked'.

Saddam doesn't. mwahaha.

Neither do the soviets, who got their asses kicked in the cold war by
american superiority.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now the Americunts are getting theirs kicked.

Except they're still there dumbass, and Saddam's still bending over for
the soap.

Jeez, get over your insecurity complex, loser.

Clough

2006-05-19 13:05:43 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
Sure, just ask Saddam. mwahaha

The Americunts got Saddam. And now they're stuck with a mess in Iraq
they can't get out of. What losers.

Post by Clough
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

vietnam = never lost on the battlfield
mogadishu = small number of US soldiers kick muslim ass
Iraq = crushed saddam's regime in weeks, put in a democratic system.
it's called winning

It's called dumb Americunts taking it up the butt.

Post by Clough
Everybody else calls it 'getting your asses kicked'.

Saddam doesn't. mwahaha.

Sure he does. Saddam enjoys every minute of Americunt ass getting
kicked in Iraq.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now it's the Americunts turn to bend over and take it.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 13:18:25 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
Sure, just ask Saddam. mwahaha

The Americunts got Saddam. And now they're stuck with a mess in Iraq
they can't get out of. What losers.

They won and could leave any time they want. What winners. Deal with
it, Mr. Cuddles

Post by Clough
Americunts have a strange way of looking at
winning..Vietnam..Mogadishu..Iraq...

vietnam = never lost on the battlfield
mogadishu = small number of US soldiers kick muslim ass
Iraq = crushed saddam's regime in weeks, put in a democratic system.
it's called winning

It's called dumb Americunts taking it up the butt.

Couldn't refute the points I see. What a surprise

Post by Clough
Everybody else calls it 'getting your asses kicked'.

Saddam doesn't. mwahaha.

Sure he does. Saddam enjoys every minute of Americunt ass getting
kicked in Iraq.

As that isn't happening, I doubt it. Saddam got his arse kicked. Kinda
doubt he planned for it

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now it's the Americunts turn to bend over and take it.

Let us know when that happens, mr. cuddles

Clough

2006-05-19 13:39:09 UTC

Post by Clough
The Americunts got Saddam. And now they're stuck with a mess in Iraq
they can't get out of. What losers.

They won and could leave any time they want. What winners. Deal with
it, Mr. Cuddles

Sure they can get out. Like they got out of Saigon, scrambling on the
last helicopter out to save their sorry butts.

Post by Clough
Sure he does. Saddam enjoys every minute of Americunt ass getting
kicked in Iraq.

As that isn't happening, I doubt it. Saddam got his arse kicked. Kinda
doubt he planned for it

If the Americunts planned for the shit they are taking now, they
really are prize dumb fucks.

But somehow I guess they never planned for it.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now it's the Americunts turn to bend over and take it.

Let us know when that happens, mr. cuddles

Just watch the news.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 03:52:18 UTC

Post by Clough
The Americunts got Saddam. And now they're stuck with a mess in Iraq
they can't get out of. What losers.

They won and could leave any time they want. What winners. Deal with
it, Mr. Cuddles

Sure they can get out. Like they got out of Saigon, scrambling on the
last helicopter out to save their sorry butts.

LOL. Sure, that's why the North Vietnamese weren't able to capture it
until years after the American forces left. You really need to do some
research before you make an ass of yourself, Mr. Cuddles

Post by Clough
Sure he does. Saddam enjoys every minute of Americunt ass getting
kicked in Iraq.

As that isn't happening, I doubt it. Saddam got his arse kicked. Kinda
doubt he planned for it

If the Americunts planned for the shit they are taking now, they
really are prize dumb fucks.
But somehow I guess they never planned for it.

Again, you can give no specifics. You're like Hitler's asslickers in
the bunker, screaming about their sure victory

Post by t***@gmail.com
Hmm, Saddam hasn't won his country back yet. Seems like he got his arse
kicked

And now it's the Americunts turn to bend over and take it.

Let us know when that happens, mr. cuddles

Just watch the news.

Lack of specifics noted yet again. You really don't have a lot to argue
with, do you?

Clough

2006-05-20 05:40:21 UTC

Post by Clough
Sure they can get out. Like they got out of Saigon, scrambling on the
last helicopter out to save their sorry butts.

LOL. Sure, that's why the North Vietnamese weren't able to capture it
until years after the American forces left. You really need to do some
research before you make an ass of yourself, Mr. Cuddles

Ever see the old newsreel films of Americunts desperatly clinging onto
helicopters leaving the roof of the besieged Americunt embassy in
Saigon as they tried to escape with their butts intact?

Post by Clough
If the Americunts planned for the shit they are taking now, they
really are prize dumb fucks.
But somehow I guess they never planned for it.

Again, you can give no specifics. You're like Hitler's asslickers in
the bunker, screaming about their sure victory

The one screaming loudest and most forlornely for 'victory' is Dumbo
in Chief in the White House as his war and his popularity collapse
around his ears.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 06:41:56 UTC

Post by Clough
Sure they can get out. Like they got out of Saigon, scrambling on the
last helicopter out to save their sorry butts.

LOL. Sure, that's why the North Vietnamese weren't able to capture it
until years after the American forces left. You really need to do some
research before you make an ass of yourself, Mr. Cuddles

Ever see the old newsreel films of Americunts desperatly clinging onto
helicopters leaving the roof of the besieged Americunt embassy in
Saigon as they tried to escape with their butts intact?

You are aware that the communists took *two years* to capture Saigon
after the last American troops left, aren't you? Wow, the americans
weren't even there and they still took two years!

Post by Clough
If the Americunts planned for the shit they are taking now, they
really are prize dumb fucks.
But somehow I guess they never planned for it.

Again, you can give no specifics. You're like Hitler's asslickers in
the bunker, screaming about their sure victory

The one screaming loudest and most forlornely for 'victory' is Dumbo
in Chief in the White House as his war and his popularity collapse
around his ears.

Again, your lack of specifics is noted. Don't have much to argue with,
do you Mr. Cuddles?

Clough

2006-05-20 07:03:54 UTC

Post by Clough
Ever see the old newsreel films of Americunts desperatly clinging onto
helicopters leaving the roof of the besieged Americunt embassy in
Saigon as they tried to escape with their butts intact?

You are aware that the communists took *two years* to capture Saigon
after the last American troops left, aren't you? Wow, the americans
weren't even there and they still took two years!

After Saigon fell the Americunts sure weren't there. They were all
desperatly clinging onto the last helicopter out trying to save their
sorry whipped asses.

And it isn't called Saigon anymore. It's called Ho Chi Minh City,
named after the Vietnamese leader who drove the Americunts out of the
country.

Yeah, a really good Americunt 'victory' Vietnam was.

Clough

Brash

2006-05-20 07:14:59 UTC

Typical Leftie. Total denial of the facts.

You are aware that the communists took *two years* to capture Saigon
after the last American troops left, aren't you? Wow, the americans
weren't even there and they still took two years!

After Saigon fell the Americunts sure weren't there.

They weren't there immediately preceding it, either.

Post by Clough
They were all desperatly clinging onto the last helicopter out trying to
save their
sorry whipped asses.

No, those were mostly South Vietnamese nationals. But don't let the facts
fuck up your delusions.

Post by Clough
And it isn't called Saigon anymore. It's called Ho Chi Minh City,
named after the Vietnamese leader who drove the Americunts out of the
country.

You Lefties love your delusions, don't you?

Post by Clough
Yeah, a really good Americunt 'victory' Vietnam was.

They weren't even there at the end.

--
You brought it on yourself.

Me.

Post by Clough
Clough

Clough

2006-05-20 08:03:19 UTC

Post by Clough
Yeah, a really good Americunt 'victory' Vietnam was.

They weren't even there at the end.

No, they weren't. They had all run off to save their asses!

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 08:56:56 UTC

Post by Clough
Yeah, a really good Americunt 'victory' Vietnam was.

They weren't even there at the end.

No, they weren't. They had all run off to save their asses!

Sure, that's why it took the North Vietnamese two years to show up
after they left

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 07:15:49 UTC

You are aware that the communists took *two years* to capture Saigon
after the last American troops left, aren't you? Wow, the americans
weren't even there and they still took two years!

After Saigon fell the Americunts sure weren't there. They were all
desperatly clinging onto the last helicopter out trying to save their
sorry whipped asses.

All the american troops had left 2 years earlier

Post by Clough
And it isn't called Saigon anymore. It's called Ho Chi Minh City,
named after the Vietnamese leader who drove the Americunts out of the
country.

Heh, the chickenshit took two years to get in there after the americans
left. Some fighter

Post by Clough
Yeah, a really good Americunt 'victory' Vietnam was.

A political loss, even the north vietnamese admit they got their arses
kicked on the battlefield

Gregory Shearman

2006-05-20 13:13:29 UTC

Post by Clough
After Saigon fell the Americunts sure weren't there. They were all
desperatly clinging onto the last helicopter out trying to save their
sorry whipped asses.

All the american troops had left 2 years earlier

After poisoning the country and dropping a shitload of bombs and jellied
gasoline on the people, the USA couldn't win against the Vietnamese people.

Post by Clough
And it isn't called Saigon anymore. It's called Ho Chi Minh City,
named after the Vietnamese leader who drove the Americunts out of the
country.

Heh, the chickenshit took two years to get in there after the americans
left. Some fighter

They'd been fighting the colonials since 1954... they were obviously in it
for the long haul. The USA cut and ran when the going got tough.

Post by Clough
Yeah, a really good Americunt 'victory' Vietnam was.

A political loss, even the north vietnamese admit they got their arses
kicked on the battlefield

That's why they didn't choose to fight on the "battlefield".

The same thing has happened in Iraq. You don't fight the most powerful
nation on earth by lining up in front of their guns... you suck them in and
you harry them and sap their strength. You keep at them and you get them
attacking the very people they SAY they are trying to SAVE... this provides
no end of new recruits to your guerilla army.

Billions of dollars of wealth squandered...

Oil price through the roof... blame Bush and his illegal invasion.

--
Regards,

Gregory.
"Ding-a-ding-dang,My Dang-a-long ling-long"

regn pickford

2006-05-19 22:15:46 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com
And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

And yet you get your asses kicked in every third world country you
invade.

Oh yeah, the mighty arab warriors who crumbled in weeks. Hehehe

You mean "Mission Accomplished"?
If you think this is winning, what would losing look like ?

On your knees on a mat in a mosque, sniffing the arse of the raghead in
front of you.

Ordog

2006-05-19 11:28:38 UTC

Post by Clough
Talk about losers, you Americunts are in a league of your own.

I'm Australian, dopey.

What a shame for Australia!

Ördög
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!

dechucka

2006-05-19 08:22:30 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

dechucka

2006-05-19 08:23:17 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 09:45:33 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

Who are you talking to, dopey?

And when was such a thing "allowed"?

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 10:14:38 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

Who are you talking to, dopey?

He don't know....

Post by t***@gmail.com
And when was such a thing "allowed"?

Don't bother - he's just a little pissant troll playing with his sisters
computer again.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

dechucka

2006-05-19 10:24:43 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop
(due
to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage
(theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

Who are you talking to, dopey?

He don't know....

Post by t***@gmail.com
And when was such a thing "allowed"?

Don't bother - he's just a little pissant troll playing with his sisters
computer again.

and the buildings are doing what ?

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 10:36:23 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop
(due
to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage
(theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

Who are you talking to, dopey?

He don't know....

Post by t***@gmail.com
And when was such a thing "allowed"?

Don't bother - he's just a little pissant troll playing with his sisters
computer again.

and the buildings are doing what ?

This building? It's housing planes, stupid.
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--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

dechucka

2006-05-19 10:23:44 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop
(due
to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage
(theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

Who are you talking to, dopey?
And when was such a thing "allowed"?

Sorry on TV I saw planes being parked in buildings your problem is?

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 10:16:35 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country.

so powerful that you allow people to park aircraft in your buildings

You must mean helicopter launch pads on Fifth Avenue apartment buildings
innit.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

regn pickford

2006-05-19 09:29:00 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

(theoretically)

Post by Trevor Wilson
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

The Yanks can do all the same stuff, t.v.s computers,lighting.
toasters yada yada yada on only _half_ the volts Aussies need?

Sounds like they're a _lot_ more advanced than Aussies.

Trevor Wilson

2006-05-20 05:00:27 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop
(due

Post by Trevor Wilson
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised

world,

Post by Trevor Wilson
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our

power

Post by Trevor Wilson
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage

(theoretically)

Post by Trevor Wilson
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our

outlets.

Post by Trevor Wilson
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of

energy

Post by Trevor Wilson
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

The Yanks can do all the same stuff, t.v.s computers,lighting.
toasters yada yada yada on only _half_ the volts Aussies need?
Sounds like they're a _lot_ more advanced than Aussies.

**Only to someone who has no clue. To obtain the same power, at half the
Volts, you need double the current. Double the current means you need half
the resistance. Half the resistance means you need double the copper.
Americans have to spend more than the rest of the civilised world on copper.

Let's not even go near their arcane measurement systems. Sheesh. The rest of
the planet embraced the Metric system years ago. Only the US uses the arcane
Imperial System. They doggedly stick to it, despite the clear advantages of
Metric.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

regn pickford

2006-05-20 05:49:42 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop
(due

Post by Trevor Wilson
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised

world,

Post by Trevor Wilson
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our

power

Post by Trevor Wilson
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage

(theoretically)

Post by Trevor Wilson
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our

outlets.

Post by Trevor Wilson
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of

energy

Post by Trevor Wilson
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

The Yanks can do all the same stuff, t.v.s computers,lighting.
toasters yada yada yada on only _half_ the volts Aussies need?
Sounds like they're a _lot_ more advanced than Aussies.

If you drop the voltage of an Australian 240v 100 watt lamp to 110 volts it
will
be dimmer and it will use half the current.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Let's not even go near their arcane measurement systems. Sheesh. The rest of
the planet embraced the Metric system years ago. Only the US uses the arcane
Imperial System. They doggedly stick to it, despite the clear advantages of
Metric.

Dunno ... a 9 lb baby boy sounds more impressive than a 4 Kilo kid. ;^)

Clough

2006-05-20 08:08:48 UTC

On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:49:42 +1000, "regn pickford"

Post by regn pickford
If you drop the voltage of an Australian 240v 100 watt lamp to 110 volts it
will be dimmer and it will use half the current.

And if you increase the voltage of an Americunt 110v 100watt lamp to
230v, it will flash and burn out.

It won't be able to take it. Typically Americunt.

Clough

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:02:12 UTC

Post by Clough
And if you increase the voltage of an Americunt 110v 100watt lamp to
230v, it will flash and burn out.

But since you can't do that, it won't happen.

Is that all you've got, asswipe..?

Trevor Wilson

2006-05-20 09:49:12 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop
(due

Post by Trevor Wilson
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised

world,

Post by Trevor Wilson
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in

our

Post by Trevor Wilson
power

Post by Trevor Wilson
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage

(theoretically)

Post by Trevor Wilson
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical

Post by Trevor Wilson
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our

outlets.

Post by Trevor Wilson
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of

energy

Post by Trevor Wilson
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

And yet they're still the world's most powerful country. Kinda makes
you look rather stupid

The Yanks can do all the same stuff, t.v.s computers,lighting.
toasters yada yada yada on only _half_ the volts Aussies need?
Sounds like they're a _lot_ more advanced than Aussies.

copper.
If you drop the voltage of an Australian 240v 100 watt lamp to 110 volts it
will
be dimmer and it will use half the current.

**MUCH dimmer. Lamps will typically decrease their output by 50%, for a 10%
reduction in Voltage. American girly lamps (I like to call them) will blow
instantly, when connected to the more muscular Australian power supply.
American lamps just can't handle our juice. Kinda like everything American.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Let's not even go near their arcane measurement systems. Sheesh. The rest

Post by Trevor Wilson
the planet embraced the Metric system years ago. Only the US uses the

arcane

Post by Trevor Wilson
Imperial System. They doggedly stick to it, despite the clear advantages

Post by Trevor Wilson
Metric.

Dunno ... a 9 lb baby boy sounds more impressive than a 4 Kilo kid. ;^)

**Not to any sane, civilised person.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 13:00:53 UTC

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

Post by Trevor Wilson
Let's not even go near their arcane measurement systems. Sheesh. The
rest of the planet embraced the Metric system years ago. Only the US
uses the arcane Imperial System. They doggedly stick to it, despite
the clear advantages of Metric.

We use both, you braindead dolt. We're adaptable and sucessful.

m***@hotmail.com

2006-05-19 09:09:13 UTC

Yeah 110 v really has crippled the US!
What a wank.

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Trevor Wilson"

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.
Here in the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use
multiphase power.

It's a meaningless discussison, you moron. In terms of power used,
it's the same. You have twice the voltage, but use half as much
current.

**There's the rub. You idiots have MAJOR problems with Voltage drop (due to
copper losses), when using long cable runs. We, here in the civilised world,
have no such problems. We also need far less (expensive) copper in our power
lines, as a result. US 110VAC receptacles can only manage (theoretically)
1,500 Watts. In reality, barely 1,00 Watts is available from typical US
outlets. Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.
Face it: Your pissy 110VAC just doesn't cut it in the real world.

Post by Larry in AZ
You're an idiot to even begin this debate.

**Only a complete idiot (IE: American) would be dumb enough to accuse me of
starting the debate. Hint: I didn't.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

Nietzsche

2006-05-19 12:43:15 UTC

Post by Trevor Wilson
Here in Australia, we can consume 2,400 watts from ALL our outlets.
And, of course, with 415VAC available, we can consume vast amounts of energy
easily.

Wow, you have all that power and you don't even make the top 10
countries listed by GDP per capita. Not much you can say about a
country that bans porn hosting.
http://libertus.net/censor/netcensor.html
Oh yeah, you cunts also shut down Kazaa, you fawning hedge-born cowards.

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 10:18:55 UTC

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and blatant
stupidity, is noted.

**Only when configured as multiphase, you sad excuse for a human.

The best part of you ran down your fathers leg in the shower.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Here in
the civilised world, we have 415 Volts available, when we use multiphase
power. Moreover, like the rest of the civilised world, we don't approve of
state-sanctioned murder. We're also signatories to teh Geneva Convention.

Funny how we are the worlds most powerful nation operating on half the
power as the rest. Says something about your efficiency, doesn't it?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 11:12:38 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 06:18:55 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Funny how we are the worlds most powerful nation operating on half the
power as the rest. Says something about your efficiency, doesn't it?

No, you are not running on half the power. You are running on half the
voltage.

And because European voltage is higher, we need thinner cables to
carry the same amount of power.

Much more efficient.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 12:17:09 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 06:18:55 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Funny how we are the worlds most powerful nation operating on half the
power as the rest. Says something about your efficiency, doesn't it?

No, you are not running on half the power. You are running on half the
voltage.
And because European voltage is higher, we need thinner cables to
carry the same amount of power.
Much more efficient.
Clough

Before you go on babbling, tell me your average amperage going to your
sockets.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 12:26:32 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:17:09 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
No, you are not running on half the power. You are running on half the
voltage.
And because European voltage is higher, we need thinner cables to
carry the same amount of power.
Much more efficient.

Before you go on babbling, tell me your average amperage going to your
sockets.

That would depend on the load plugged into the socket.

But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 12:49:27 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:17:09 -0400, America the Beautiful

Before you go on babbling, tell me your average amperage going to your
sockets.

That would depend on the load plugged into the socket.
But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.
Clough

No, I mean most American households have a fuse box that allows a 15 or
20 amp load through the circuit. A double poll circuit is one with two
15 amp circuits running parallel produce 30 amps for heavy loads for,
say, electric dryers. I ask this question because you made a comment
about thinner wires, and thin wires would require less amps, as higher
amps would be a fire hazard. This would mean that Yurp tools, lights and
appliances draw less current, therefor less powerful, therefor run
longer to complete basic tasks, therefor putting a bigger load on your
coal burning power plants, and being less efficient and not as long
lasting as there American counterparts.

It really is a simple question.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 13:15:09 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:49:27 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:17:09 -0400, America the Beautiful

Before you go on babbling, tell me your average amperage going to your
sockets.

That would depend on the load plugged into the socket.
But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.
Clough

And a simple answer. An European appliance delivering a given power is
drawing less amps than an Americunt appliance delivering the same
power, and therefore can use thinner cables. This is because the
European appliance is running at a higher voltage than the Americunt
appliance.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 13:47:16 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:49:27 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:17:09 -0400, America the Beautiful

Before you go on babbling, tell me your average amperage going to your
sockets.

That would depend on the load plugged into the socket.
But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.
Clough

Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 17:11:03 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:47:16 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
And a simple answer. An European appliance delivering a given power is
drawing less amps than an Americunt appliance delivering the same
power, and therefore can use thinner cables. This is because the
European appliance is running at a higher voltage than the Americunt
appliance.

Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

No problem.

Heat is a function of current and resistance.

European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 17:41:34 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:47:16 -0400, America the Beautiful

Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

No problem.
Heat is a function of current and resistance.
European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.
Clough

How think is your wire?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 18:09:28 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:41:34 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

No problem.
Heat is a function of current and resistance.
European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.

How think is your wire?

You really don't have a clue. Stay away from electricity, you could
cause some damage.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 18:18:15 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:41:34 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

No problem.
Heat is a function of current and resistance.
European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.

How think is your wire?

You really don't have a clue. Stay away from electricity, you could
cause some damage.
Clough

If I had a clue how thick your wire is I wouldn't have asked you. But I
don't have a clue how thick your wire is, so I'm asking you. Do you have
a clue how thick your wire is?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 18:20:58 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:18:15 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

No problem.
Heat is a function of current and resistance.
European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.

How think is your wire?

You really don't have a clue. Stay away from electricity, you could
cause some damage.

If I had a clue how thick your wire is I wouldn't have asked you. But I
don't have a clue how thick your wire is, so I'm asking you. Do you have
a clue how thick your wire is?

I know how thick you are.

Very thick.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 18:49:44 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:18:15 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Then please explain to me how your wattage is the same but yet your
wires are transferring less heat. Take your time.

No problem.
Heat is a function of current and resistance.
European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.

How think is your wire?

You really don't have a clue. Stay away from electricity, you could
cause some damage.

If I had a clue how thick your wire is I wouldn't have asked you. But I
don't have a clue how thick your wire is, so I'm asking you. Do you have
a clue how thick your wire is?

I know how thick you are.
Very thick.

OK, so lets see....

You don't know how thick your wire is, I assume you don't know how thick
our wire is, but somehow you know ours if thicker. You don't know the
amp ratings of your fuse panel and switches, but somehow you think you
know something about the American electrical grid and how yours is more
efficient. This tells us you're yapping away about something you know so
little about - AGAIN.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-19 19:07:54 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:49:44 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
Heat is a function of current and resistance.
European voltage is higher than American, therefore for a given load
wattage the current is lower. The resistance of the cables may then be
correspondingly higher while still keeping the heating effect within
accepted parameters. So an European cable carrying a given power will
be thinner than an American cable carrying the same power while the
heat losses would be the same.

How think is your wire?

You really don't have a clue. Stay away from electricity, you could
cause some damage.

If I had a clue how thick your wire is I wouldn't have asked you. But I
don't have a clue how thick your wire is, so I'm asking you. Do you have
a clue how thick your wire is?

I know how thick you are.
Very thick.

OK, so lets see....
You don't know how thick your wire is, I assume you don't know how thick
our wire is, but somehow you know ours if thicker. You don't know the
amp ratings of your fuse panel and switches, but somehow you think you
know something about the American electrical grid and how yours is more
efficient. This tells us you're yapping away about something you know so
little about - AGAIN.

I know your voltage is lower than European voltage, therefore for a
given wattage your current must be higher, thus necessitating thicker
wire.

I guess you don't know any electrical theory.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 22:45:27 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:49:44 -0400, America the Beautiful

How think is your wire?

You really don't have a clue. Stay away from electricity, you could
cause some damage.

If I had a clue how thick your wire is I wouldn't have asked you. But I
don't have a clue how thick your wire is, so I'm asking you. Do you have
a clue how thick your wire is?

I know how thick you are.
Very thick.

OK, so lets see....
You don't know how thick your wire is, I assume you don't know how thick
our wire is, but somehow you know ours if thicker. You don't know the
amp ratings of your fuse panel and switches, but somehow you think you
know something about the American electrical grid and how yours is more
efficient. This tells us you're yapping away about something you know so
little about - AGAIN.

I know your voltage is lower than European voltage,

No, Dopey, we have 240 services too, but our appliances run on 120. Its
a safety measure protecting young children and the elderly.

Post by Clough
therefore for a
given wattage your current must be higher, thus necessitating thicker
wire.

So you have no idea.

Post by Clough
I guess you don't know any electrical theory.
Clough

What do you need to know?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-20 05:56:48 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:45:27 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
I know your voltage is lower than European voltage,

No, Dopey, we have 240 services too, but our appliances run on 120. Its
a safety measure protecting young children and the elderly.

So, your 120 volt appliances need thicker wires supplying them than
European appliances of the same wattage, as the European appliances
run at a higher voltage thus drawing less current.

You did know that wattage is a function of current and voltage, did
you?

Post by Clough
therefore for a
given wattage your current must be higher, thus necessitating thicker
wire.

So you have no idea.

Ah well, here I am debating with a dumbo again.

It seems that you do not know that wattage is a function of current
and voltage.

Post by Clough
I guess you don't know any electrical theory.

What do you need to know?

Nothing from you. You don't even know the basics.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-20 11:29:47 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:45:27 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
I know your voltage is lower than European voltage,

No, Dopey, we have 240 services too, but our appliances run on 120. Its
a safety measure protecting young children and the elderly.

So, your 120 volt appliances need thicker wires supplying them than
European appliances of the same wattage,

Of the same wattage? No.

Post by Clough
as the European appliances
run at a higher voltage thus drawing less current.

But do you use less watts?

Post by Clough
You did know that wattage is a function of current and voltage, did
you?

The formula is volts x amps = watts.

So a 15 amp appliance running on 120 volts equals 1800 watts. By
contrast 240 volts running a 7.5 amp appliance equals 1800 watts. Watts
equals power. Power equals energy. Energy expels heat. So, you either
have appliances running on much less then half US amps to support
smaller wiring, or you're talking out of your ass - AGAIN!

Post by Clough
therefore for a
given wattage your current must be higher, thus necessitating thicker
wire.

So you have no idea.

Ah well, here I am debating with a dumbo again.

You're debating about something that is clearly over your head.

Post by Clough
It seems that you do not know that wattage is a function of current
and voltage.

I know exactly what wattage is. You don't know anything about home wiring.

Post by Clough
I guess you don't know any electrical theory.

What do you need to know?

Nothing from you. You don't even know the basics.

But yet you've failed to provide the basics when asked. What does that
tell us?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-20 14:19:40 UTC

On Sat, 20 May 2006 07:29:47 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
So, your 120 volt appliances need thicker wires supplying them than
European appliances of the same wattage,

Of the same wattage? No.

Yes.

An Americunt appliance running at the same wattage as an European one
will need double the current of an European appliance since an
Americunt appliance is running at half the voltage.

Since for the same wattage the Americunt appliance is taking double
the current, it will need thicker wiring than its European counterpart

Post by Clough
as the European appliances
run at a higher voltage thus drawing less current.

But do you use less watts?

An European appliance running at the same wattage as an Americunt
appliance is......running at the same wattage, dimwit.

It is also running at double the voltage and half the current.

You've been told this a dozen times. When will it sink in?

Post by Clough
You did know that wattage is a function of current and voltage, did
you?

The formula is volts x amps = watts.
So a 15 amp appliance running on 120 volts equals 1800 watts. By
contrast 240 volts running a 7.5 amp appliance equals 1800 watts. Watts
equals power. Power equals energy. Energy expels heat. So, you either
have appliances running on much less then half US amps to support
smaller wiring, or you're talking out of your ass - AGAIN!

Americunts are just so damned stupid.

An Americunt appliance running at 1800 watts is drawing 15 amps.
An European appliance running at 1800 watts is drawing 7.5 amps.

Those are your own figures.

The European appliance is drawing half as much current for the same
wattage therefore does not need as thick wires as the Americunt
appliance.

Post by Clough
Ah well, here I am debating with a dumbo again.

You're debating about something that is clearly over your head.

You Americunts should stick to Biblical Creationism, wiring up
prisoners in your torture chambers and getting your asses kicked when
you invade third world countries.

You are not much good for anything useful.

Post by Clough
Nothing from you. You don't even know the basics.

But yet you've failed to provide the basics when asked. What does that
tell us?

So far you have shown us how damned stupid Americunts are.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-20 14:35:36 UTC

Post by Clough
On Sat, 20 May 2006 07:29:47 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
So, your 120 volt appliances need thicker wires supplying them than
European appliances of the same wattage,

Of the same wattage? No.

Yes.
An Americunt appliance running at the same wattage as an European one
will need double the current of an European appliance since an
Americunt appliance is running at half the voltage.

Wrong. It the watts are the same so is the wiring.

Post by Clough
Since for the same wattage the Americunt appliance is taking double
the current, it will need thicker wiring than its European counterpart

Wrong. If the watts are the same so is the energy. Therefor so is the
required wiring.

Post by Clough
as the European appliances
run at a higher voltage thus drawing less current.

But do you use less watts?

An European appliance running at the same wattage as an Americunt
appliance is......running at the same wattage, dimwit.

Right, so they require the same conduction.

Post by Clough
It is also running at double the voltage and half the current.
You've been told this a dozen times. When will it sink in?

That's right I have, but when are you going to understand that you are
totally wrong, as usual.

Post by Clough
You did know that wattage is a function of current and voltage, did
you?

The formula is volts x amps = watts.
So a 15 amp appliance running on 120 volts equals 1800 watts. By
contrast 240 volts running a 7.5 amp appliance equals 1800 watts. Watts
equals power. Power equals energy. Energy expels heat. So, you either
have appliances running on much less then half US amps to support
smaller wiring, or you're talking out of your ass - AGAIN!

Americunts are just so damned stupid.
An Americunt appliance running at 1800 watts is drawing 15 amps.
An European appliance running at 1800 watts is drawing 7.5 amps.
Those are your own figures.

Right.

Post by Clough
The European appliance is drawing half as much current for the same
wattage therefore does not need as thick wires as the Americunt
appliance.

Shit, you're stupid. You don't know how thick Yurp wires are, you don't
know how thick great American wires are, you don't know anything about
europeon fuse panels, but yet you insist that your appliances draw less
power even though the watts are the same. Maybe you should get some help
with this.

Post by Clough
Ah well, here I am debating with a dumbo again.

You're debating about something that is clearly over your head.

You Americunts should stick to Biblical Creationism, wiring up
prisoners in your torture chambers and getting your asses kicked when
you invade third world countries.

(yawn)

Post by Clough
You are not much good for anything useful.

Well, I can see I can't teach you about electrical.

Post by Clough
Nothing from you. You don't even know the basics.

But yet you've failed to provide the basics when asked. What does that
tell us?

So far you have shown us how damned stupid Americunts are.

Says the guy that can't stay on topic when he proves to be a shithead.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Clough

2006-05-20 15:13:12 UTC

On Sat, 20 May 2006 10:35:36 -0400, America the Beautiful

Post by Clough
An Americunt appliance running at the same wattage as an European one
will need double the current of an European appliance since an
Americunt appliance is running at half the voltage.

Wrong. It the watts are the same so is the wiring.

No. The heating effect in an electrical cable is dependent upon the
current. The lower the current, the less the heat. So as European
appliances of the same wattage draw less current, they can use thinner
wires to supply them.

Post by Clough
Since for the same wattage the Americunt appliance is taking double
the current, it will need thicker wiring than its European counterpart

Wrong. If the watts are the same so is the energy. Therefor so is the
required wiring.

No. You do not understand basic electrical theory.

The heating effect in an electrical cable is determined by the current
flowing through it, not by the wattage of the appliance it is
supplying.

Post by Clough
An European appliance running at the same wattage as an Americunt
appliance is......running at the same wattage, dimwit.

Right, so they require the same conduction.

No.

Once again, you do not understand basic electrical theory. But then
you are an Americunt, so that is understandable.

The heating effect in an electrical cable is dertermined by the
current flowing through it and not by the wattage of the appliance it
is supplying.

Post by Clough
You've been told this a dozen times. When will it sink in?

That's right I have, but when are you going to understand that you are
totally wrong, as usual.

This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of scientific fact.

But then you Americunts have funny ideas about science, with your
Biblical Creationism and Intelligent Design. As if there were anything
intelligent in Moronica.

I shall tell you again:

The heating effect in an electrical cable is determined by the current
flowing through it, not by the wattage of the appliance it is
supplying.

Post by America the Beautiful
Shit, you're stupid. You don't know how thick Yurp wires are, you don't
know how thick great American wires are, you don't know anything about
europeon fuse panels, but yet you insist that your appliances draw less
power even though the watts are the same. Maybe you should get some help
with this.

Draw less power? Where did I say draw less power?

You can't even read, dumbass.

I said European appliances draw less current for the same wattage of
appliance. You know, amps times volts. You said it yourself once,
although it is pretty clear you didn't understand it.

Wattage is power. So European appliances draw less current while
delivering the same power.

Which is why they do not need cables as thick as Americunt ones.

Post by Clough
You are not much good for anything useful.

Well, I can see I can't teach you about electrical.

You couldn't teach anybody anything about electricity.

You do not even understand the basics.

Clough

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 16:28:42 UTC

Waiving the right to remain silent, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Wrong. It the watts are the same so is the wiring.

Actually, he's correct, Chris. I've worked in 240v countries quite a
few times, and their mains wiring is smaller gauge because they draw
less current.

But, the engles do have big, ugly plugs because they build a circuit
breaker into each of them.

Clough

2006-05-20 18:00:34 UTC

On 20 May 2006 16:28:42 GMT, Larry in AZ

Post by Larry in AZ

Post by America the Beautiful
Wrong. It the watts are the same so is the wiring.

Actually, he's correct, Chris. I've worked in 240v countries quite a
few times, and their mains wiring is smaller gauge because they draw
less current.

You Americunts are so damned stupid. You need to travel abroad before
you understand basic facts. Often you need to be kicked hard up the
ass before you understand them.

You did not need to go to Yurp to see the smaller guage wires we have.

It is all in the basic laws of electricity.

Current, voltage, watts, resistance. It's all there in the textbooks.
We Yurpeons learn it in school.

But then you Americunts were never very strong on the "book lernin
business."

A nation of dimwits.

Clough

America the Beautiful

2006-05-20 19:36:01 UTC

Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, America the Beautiful

Post by America the Beautiful
Wrong. It the watts are the same so is the wiring.

Actually, he's correct, Chris. I've worked in 240v countries quite a
few times, and their mains wiring is smaller gauge because they draw
less current.
But, the engles do have big, ugly plugs because they build a circuit
breaker into each of them.

Is the gauge small or do they have less insulation wrap?

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-19 12:57:59 UTC

Post by Clough
On Fri, 19 May 2006 08:17:09 -0400, America the Beautiful

Before you go on babbling, tell me your average amperage going to your
sockets.

That would depend on the load plugged into the socket.
But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.

LOL. You're such a desperate loser you're reduced to talking about
*power sockets*. The Americans must be quaking in their boots, Mr.
Cuddles

Clough

2006-05-19 13:31:54 UTC

Post by Clough
But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.

LOL. You're such a desperate loser you're reduced to talking about
*power sockets*. The Americans must be quaking in their boots, Mr.
Cuddles

Different discussion in the same thread. Some things are just too
complicated for you.

Clough

t***@gmail.com

2006-05-20 03:45:44 UTC

Post by Clough
But European sockets carry less current for a given load than
Americunt sockets do.

LOL. You're such a desperate loser you're reduced to talking about
*power sockets*. The Americans must be quaking in their boots, Mr.
Cuddles

Different discussion in the same thread. Some things are just too
complicated for you.

LOL, it's what you were talking about right here, you sad loser. Mwehehe

Ned Viking

2006-05-19 17:40:39 UTC

Post by Trevor Wilson
power. Moreover, like the rest of the civilised world, we don't approve of
state-sanctioned murder. We're also signatories to teh Geneva Convention.

Perhaps you Limeys don't sentence Limeys to death, but your government
murders literally millions of people. For example, you're allied with
the Jew-S-A against the good folks of Iraq, murdering millions of good
Iraqis. And your treatments of prisoners in Iraq is a clear violation
of the Geneva Convention. Limey soldiers are regularly caught raping
Iraqi men, women, and children. Limey soldiers urinate on Iraqi
prisoners with their tiny Limey units.

What is the source of your electricity? I doubt it's all from wind
turbines in the UK. Most likely you steal coal from other countries or
you use dangerous nuclear power or you murder the earth by building
hydroelectric dams.

If you're not Limey but Aussie, note the xenophobic, racist hate crimes
by white Aussies against good Muslims, for example the beach incident.

If you're a New Zealander, I don't have any dirt on you but you're
probably not completely innocent.

I doubt you're a Canuck because they probably use the same type of
electricity as the Yanks.

Woo

2006-05-19 13:34:03 UTC

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

Do your homes have gas chambers for blacks as well?

Post by America the Beautiful
--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

America the Beautiful

2006-05-19 13:55:33 UTC

Post by Woo

You think we our home don't have 240 sockets? Your ignorance, and
blatant stupidity, is noted.

Do your homes have gas chambers for blacks as well?

Sure - I just finished building mine. It's right next to the one I built
for the Moozies.

--
Chris Fleitman
Long Island

Andrew Thomas

2006-05-19 09:31:25 UTC

Holy arse. I've seen some funny attempts at trolling which play on the
general ignorance of the typical Britisher, but even your thickest chav
knows that you just up the current (and it's the current that kills
you, not the voltage).

On second thoughts, no, no it's a perfectly good troll. An entire
generation of British people has no fucking clue about science or
anything to do with numbers, as a result of - you guessed it - Labour
control of education. (They do know how to fuck 14 year olds, though -
that sex ed didn't go to waste!) Therefore they could well believe
something like this, so I give it 8/10.

fritz

2006-05-19 21:23:31 UTC

Andrew Thomas wrote ...

Post by Andrew Thomas
On second thoughts, no, no it's a perfectly good troll. An entire
generation of British people has no fucking clue about science or
anything to do with numbers, as a result of - you guessed it - Labour
control of education. (They do know how to fuck 14 year olds, though -
that sex ed didn't go to waste!) Therefore they could well believe
something like this, so I give it 8/10.

Do you really think the yanks with their 'intelligent design' crap are any better ?
I'd give the Poms 8/10 and the yanks 4/10 in educational standards.

Arthur Brain

2006-05-19 22:57:04 UTC

Post by fritz
Do you really think the yanks with their 'intelligent design' crap are any better ?
I'd give the Poms 8/10 and the yanks 4/10 in educational standards.

You're being over-generous - these Yanks don't seem to understand the
implications of having to try to pump more current down their copper to
make up for the piss-poor voltage level.

Still, I hear there is currently a flood of illiterate mexican peasants
arriving in the USA - that can only increase the average education
levels over there so all is not lost....

Larry in AZ

2006-05-20 00:29:16 UTC

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Arthur Brain"

Post by Arthur Brain

Post by fritz
Do you really think the yanks with their 'intelligent design' crap
are any better ? I'd give the Poms 8/10 and the yanks 4/10 in
educational standards.

You're being over-generous - these Yanks don't seem to understand the
implications of having to try to pump more current down their copper
to make up for the piss-poor voltage level.

Why do you worship us so...

Hagar

2006-05-20 06:02:41 UTC