combined Ubuntu - Windows network

[Ernie]

I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine including
internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)

Followed this piece of advice:
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions from
the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.

After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either windows
machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of Windows, all are
accessible).

However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.

What's to be done next?

Thanks


Ernie.

[Jonathan N Little]

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine including
internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions from
the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either windows
machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of Windows, all are
accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?

<OT>
Anyone else having problems with eternal-september.org? Cannot post for
over a day. Either from Windows or Ubuntu, SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, or
Pan. Using aioe.org temporarily until I can find a fix...
</OT>

Well the first thing I would check is that you have the samba *server*
running. The client is installed by default but the server must be
installed and running to allow other systems access to shares on the
Linux system.

In a terminal:

sudo service smbd status

The output should be something link this:

smbd start/running, process 854

If the response is service not found then you do not have the samba
server installed. If it is smbd stop/waiting then it is installed but
not running. Either it has not been started, or you have an error in the
config. You can check your configuration with:

testparm

If there are no problems try starting the service:

sudo service smbd start

If the service starts successfully then try accessing the Linux box from
Win boxes. Sometimes Windows can be really slow picking up new nodes on
a Windows network and you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer

\\LinuxMachine\YourShare

Silly question, but you do have shares defined on the Linux machine and
set to browseable? If not browseable they will not show up in the
Windows' Network window.

If you still cannot access your shares from Windows machines you should
check the logs and it will show what the trouble is. Linux does great
logging...

/var/log/samba will have several logs that can help you.

log.smbd will have the server log and show errors at the server level,
but there will also be two logs for each system trying to accesses the
server which can help you pinpoint the problem. They are named
log.IP_ADDRESS and log.MACHINE_NAME for each commuter. Check those and
see what the problem is. With that info we may be able to assist.

[Alias]

Post by Jonathan N Little

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine including
internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions from
the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either windows
machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of Windows, all are
accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?

<OT>
Anyone else having problems with eternal-september.org? Cannot post for
over a day. Either from Windows or Ubuntu, SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, or
Pan. Using aioe.org temporarily until I can find a fix...
</OT>
Well the first thing I would check is that you have the samba *server*
running. The client is installed by default but the server must be
installed and running to allow other systems access to shares on the
Linux system.
sudo service smbd status
smbd start/running, process 854
If the response is service not found then you do not have the samba
server installed. If it is smbd stop/waiting then it is installed but
not running. Either it has not been started, or you have an error in the
testparm
sudo service smbd start
If the service starts successfully then try accessing the Linux box from
Win boxes. Sometimes Windows can be really slow picking up new nodes on
a Windows network and you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
Silly question, but you do have shares defined on the Linux machine and
set to browseable? If not browseable they will not show up in the
Windows' Network window.
If you still cannot access your shares from Windows machines you should
check the logs and it will show what the trouble is. Linux does great
logging...
/var/log/samba will have several logs that can help you.
log.smbd will have the server log and show errors at the server level,
but there will also be two logs for each system trying to accesses the
server which can help you pinpoint the problem. They are named
log.IP_ADDRESS and log.MACHINE_NAME for each commuter. Check those and
see what the problem is. With that info we may be able to assist.

None of that will do any good because the problem is at Eternal
September's end.

[Jonathan N Little]

Post by Alias
None of that will do any good because the problem is at Eternal
September's end.

Well that is what I suspected, the evidence seemed to point in that
direction. Eternal September does get wonky at times, but usually rights
itself after a few hours...I miss when ISPs included newsgroups.
Eternal September's website does not show any problems, anyway it would
be useful if there was a useful error message...

[Mike Easter]

Post by Jonathan N Little
Eternal September's website does not show any problems, anyway it would
be useful if there was a useful error message...

aioe carries the in-house eternal-september.support group 'for' e-s; Ray
Banana/ Wolfgang Weyand/ shows up there from time to time with replies.

He hasn't weighed in yet on the current problem or the misguided error code.

[Jonathan N Little]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by Jonathan N Little
Eternal September's website does not show any problems, anyway it would
be useful if there was a useful error message...

aioe carries the in-house eternal-september.support group 'for' e-s; Ray
Banana/ Wolfgang Weyand/ shows up there from time to time with replies.
He hasn't weighed in yet on the current problem or the misguided error code.

Thanks. Yes it show that I am not alone. No info what the problem is yet
or when it will be fixed.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by Jonathan N Little

Post by Mike Easter

Post by Jonathan N Little
Eternal September's website does not show any problems, anyway it would
be useful if there was a useful error message...

aioe carries the in-house eternal-september.support group 'for' e-s; Ray
Banana/ Wolfgang Weyand/ shows up there from time to time with replies.
He hasn't weighed in yet on the current problem or the misguided error code.

Thanks. Yes it show that I am not alone. No info what the problem is yet
or when it will be fixed.

Ray Banana just posted:

"Sometime last night the E-S database stopped accepting new
connections, which prevented users from posting through E-S.
I was only able to fix this right now as I'm currently working in a
severely restricted environment and wasn't able to get a shell on the
E-S servers due to some nasty enterprise firewall / Internet proxy.

Sorry for the inconvenience."

[Alias]

Post by Jonathan N Little

Post by Alias
None of that will do any good because the problem is at Eternal
September's end.

Well that is what I suspected, the evidence seemed to point in that
direction. Eternal September does get wonky at times, but usually rights
itself after a few hours...I miss when ISPs included newsgroups.
Eternal September's website does not show any problems, anyway it would
be useful if there was a useful error message...

It works now.

[T i m]

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:37:29 -0500, Jonathan N Little

Post by Jonathan N Little

Post by Alias
None of that will do any good because the problem is at Eternal
September's end.

Well that is what I suspected, the evidence seemed to point in that
direction. Eternal September does get wonky at times, but usually rights
itself after a few hours...I miss when ISPs included newsgroups.
Eternal September's website does not show any problems, anyway it would
be useful if there was a useful error message...

FWIW I posted (to a non Linux n/g) through E-S for the first time
whilst out and about on my Android phone today and the post doesn't
seem to have appeared. I wasn't sure if it was something at my
(mobile) end or what, but you may have offered an explanation. ;-)

There were no error messages that I could see (but then I wouldn't
know where to have looked for them).

Cheers, T i m

[mechanic]

Post by Jonathan N Little
Anyone else having problems with eternal-september.org? Cannot
post for over a day. Either from Windows or Ubuntu, SeaMonkey,
Thunderbird, or Pan. Using aioe.org temporarily until I can find
a fix...

Also reported on alt.comp.os.windows-8, apparently now fixed?

No end of probs this am with ebay.co.uk, keep getting diverted to
'blocked site' page, now seems cleared, also earlier probs with
wikipedia page. Someone doesn't like these moves of Google etc to
limit access to sites.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by mechanic

Post by Jonathan N Little
Anyone else having problems with eternal-september.org? Cannot
post for over a day. Either from Windows or Ubuntu, SeaMonkey,
Thunderbird, or Pan. Using aioe.org temporarily until I can find
a fix...

Also reported on alt.comp.os.windows-8, apparently now fixed?

Yes, as reported by Ray Banana. Database crash that is not fixed.

Post by mechanic
No end of probs this am with ebay.co.uk, keep getting diverted to
'blocked site' page, now seems cleared, also earlier probs with
wikipedia page. Someone doesn't like these moves of Google etc to
limit access to sites.

Different unrelated problem. Don't think it is Google but more likely
your ISP...

[Ernie]

"Jonathan N Little" <***@gmail.com> schreef in bericht news:l6datf$dp9$***@speranza.aioe.org...

<CUT>

Thanks. This appeared to be the right trick.:
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible

Thanks

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often... If you are making changes to
the samba network sometimes the Windows machines' cache interfere with
stale information. Purging the cache can fix this. On the Windows
machine run CMD.EXE as Administrator[1] and then run the command to
clear the cache

nbtstat -R

then you can pickup the updated shares for the server with

nbtstat -a LinuxMachine

so now when you do the command

nbtstat -c

you should see the LinuxMachine in the netbios cache table and also now
it should be listed in Explorer under Network. Now as I said before the
shares for LinuxMachine will not be listed unless you define them as
'browseable'.

[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

[Mike Yetto]

In a world where Jonathan N. Little <***@gmail.com>
posts to Usenet...

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often... If you are making changes to
the samba network sometimes the Windows machines' cache interfere with
stale information. Purging the cache can fix this. On the Windows
machine run CMD.EXE as Administrator[1] and then run the command to
clear the cache
nbtstat -R
then you can pickup the updated shares for the server with
nbtstat -a LinuxMachine
so now when you do the command
nbtstat -c
you should see the LinuxMachine in the netbios cache table and also now
it should be listed in Explorer under Network. Now as I said before the
shares for LinuxMachine will not be listed unless you define them as
'browseable'.
[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

And if you're not sure which command to use try using _apropos_.

Wait, is there such a command under Windows?

Mike "nevermind" Yetto

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by Mike Yetto
posts to Usenet...

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often... If you are making changes to
the samba network sometimes the Windows machines' cache interfere with
stale information. Purging the cache can fix this. On the Windows
machine run CMD.EXE as Administrator[1] and then run the command to
clear the cache
nbtstat -R
then you can pickup the updated shares for the server with
nbtstat -a LinuxMachine
so now when you do the command
nbtstat -c
you should see the LinuxMachine in the netbios cache table and also now
it should be listed in Explorer under Network. Now as I said before the
shares for LinuxMachine will not be listed unless you define them as
'browseable'.
[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

And if you're not sure which command to use try using _apropos_.
Wait, is there such a command under Windows?

Of course not. A Windows user knows *all* commands that he *needs* to
know didn't you know that? ;-)

Post by Mike Yetto
Mike "nevermind" Yetto

[mike]

Post by Mike Yetto

Post by Jonathan N. Little
[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

And if you're not sure which command to use try using _apropos_.

Sounds like an excellent command to include in ALL versions of linux.

Post by Mike Yetto
Wait, is there such a command under Windows?

Don't need one...just click the damn icon, check the boxes for the command
options you need and click go.

Post by Mike Yetto
Mike "nevermind" Yetto

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by mike

Post by Mike Yetto

Post by Jonathan N. Little
[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

And if you're not sure which command to use try using _apropos_.

Sounds like an excellent command to include in ALL versions of linux.

Post by Mike Yetto
Wait, is there such a command under Windows?

Don't need one...just click the damn icon, check the boxes for the command
options you need and click go.

What icon? What check boxes?

[Mike Yetto]

In a world where Jonathan N. Little <***@gmail.com>
posts to Usenet...

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by mike

Post by Mike Yetto

Post by Jonathan N. Little
[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

And if you're not sure which command to use try using _apropos_.

Sounds like an excellent command to include in ALL versions of linux.

Post by Mike Yetto
Wait, is there such a command under Windows?

Don't need one...just click the damn icon, check the boxes for the command
options you need and click go.

What icon? What check boxes?

Do you think he means this?
#v+
***@Braetac:~$ apropos icon
piconv (1p) - - iconv(1), reinvented in perl
uniconvertor (1) - - command line tool to convert vector graphic files
bcomps (1) - biconnected components filter for graphs
dviconcat (1) - concatenate DVI files
gtk-update-icon-cache (1) - Icon theme caching utility
gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0 (1) - Icon theme caching utility
hciconfig (8) - configure Bluetooth devices
icontopbm (1) - convert a Sun icon into a portable bitmap
iconv (1) - Convert encoding of given files from one encoding to another
iconv (3) - perform character set conversion
iconv_close (3) - deallocate descriptor for character set conversion
iconv_open (3) - allocate descriptor for character set conversion
iconvconfig (8) - Create fastloading iconv module configuration file
icotool (1) - Convert and create Win32 icon and cursor files
Locale::Maketext::Simple (3perl) - Simple interface to Locale::Maketext::Lexicon
pbmtoicon (1) - convert a portable bitmap into a Sun icon
pciconfig_iobase (2) - pci device information handling
pciconfig_read (2) - pci device information handling
pciconfig_write (2) - pci device information handling
piconv (1) - - iconv(1), reinvented in perl
ppmtouil (1) - convert a portable pixmap into a Motif UIL icon file
ppmtowinicon (1) - convert 1 or more portable pixmaps into a Windows .ico file
siliconmotion (4) - Silicon Motion video driver
Text::Iconv (3pm) - Perl interface to iconv() codeset conversion function
update-icon-caches (8) - Update wrapper script for the icon caches
update-icon-caches.gtk2 (8) - Update wrapper script for the icon caches
winicontoppm (1) - convert a Windows .ico file into 1 or more portable pixmap files
xdg-desktop-icon (1) - command line tool for (un)installing icons to the desktop
xdg-icon-resource (1) - command line tool for (un)installing icon resources
#v-

Mike "when you're working with half a borrowed brain..." Yetto

[Lars Enderin]

Post by mike

Post by Mike Yetto

Post by Jonathan N. Little
[1]Yes trolls, even in Windows you sometimes need to use the scary
command line to get something done.

And if you're not sure which command to use try using _apropos_.

Sounds like an excellent command to include in ALL versions of linux.

Standard Unix heritage. It needs a database created from the man files,
however.

Post by mike

Post by Mike Yetto
Wait, is there such a command under Windows?

Don't need one...just click the damn icon, check the boxes for the command
options you need and click go.

Whoosh! The question was "which command to use"!

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:16:48 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often...

I wish you would tell my Ubuntu machine that. I turned it on
specifically to dump some ISO images onto a Windows XP share and it
kept falling over / timing out. Then it saw the workgroups but could
never open them.

So, I KVM'd back to this XP Mac Mini, opened the network and there
everything was. Switched back to the Ubuntu (13.04).

Tried it just now, clicking on the 'Windows network' Icon eventually
opens the networks and shows me the two workgroups. Clicking on either
eventually returns

"Unable to mount location, Failed to retrieve share list from server.
Connection timed out"

... but hey, it must be that I'm making it up or have set it up wrong
... after all, Linux does *everything* better than Windows, even SMB.

Strange that in the 3+ years I've had this particular XP install
running I can't remember it not ever seeing or losing the (multiple)
network connections ...

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I still want to move the files off the (that) Ubuntu box and I
still can't do it over the network. Maybe I'll see if I can do it via
a USB dongle or put them on DVD. How quaint! ;-)

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:16:48 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often...

I wish you would tell my Ubuntu machine that. I turned it on
specifically to dump some ISO images onto a Windows XP share and it
kept falling over / timing out. Then it saw the workgroups but could
never open them.

XP is limited with NT1 over new SMB2 with larger file sizes...but also
could be your setup...

Post by T i m
So, I KVM'd back to this XP Mac Mini, opened the network and there
everything was. Switched back to the Ubuntu (13.04).
Tried it just now, clicking on the 'Windows network' Icon eventually
opens the networks and shows me the two workgroups. Clicking on either
eventually returns
"Unable to mount location, Failed to retrieve share list from server.
Connection timed out"

Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list. Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser, are you using WINS or using broadcast? Have
you bothered to change your logs...

[mach2]

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:16:48 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common
understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often...

I wish you would tell my Ubuntu machine that. I turned it on
specifically to dump some ISO images onto a Windows XP share and it
kept falling over / timing out. Then it saw the workgroups but could
never open them.

XP is limited with NT1 over new SMB2 with larger file sizes...but also
could be your setup...

Post by T i m
So, I KVM'd back to this XP Mac Mini, opened the network and there
everything was. Switched back to the Ubuntu (13.04).
Tried it just now, clicking on the 'Windows network' Icon eventually
opens the networks and shows me the two workgroups. Clicking on either
eventually returns
"Unable to mount location, Failed to retrieve share list from server.
Connection timed out"

Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list. Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser, are you using WINS or using broadcast? Have
you bothered to change your logs...

Since some seem to have trouble with Samba... Here are some simple
instructions I came up with for installing a simple Samba share on
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS:

Install Samba server:

$ sudo apt-get install samba smbfs

Configure Samba Server

Step 1: backup existing /etc/samba/smb.conf

$ sudo cp /etc/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf.original

Step 2: edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file for user-level security

[global]
workgroup = WORKGROUP
security = user

[homes]
comment = Home Directories
browsable = yes
writable = yes

[base] # share name (if you have more than one share, make another
section like this for each share)
comment = mars file server
path = /mnt/dh2/base # share path
browsable = yes
guest ok = no
read only = no
create mask 0770

Step 3: create a directory for sharing

sudo mkdir -p /mnt/dh2/base/
sudo chmod 770 /mnt/dh2/base/

Step 4: create a samba user

sudo adduser <name>
sudo smbpasswd -a <name>

Step 5: restart the SMB server

sudo /etc/init.d/smbd restart or ...

sudo service smbd restart

Now how to add a group and assign a user to the group...

You've created a server share and wish to give users access to it. Right
off the bat, it's likely you did this in root and made the default
permissions 770:

user=rwx
group=rwx
other=

The default user.group for the new share directory is root.root. You can
change it to root.misc, root being user, and misc being the group

sudo chgrp misc /mnt/dh2/base # misc is the group name

sudo addgroup misc # misc is the group name in this example

now add users to the group...

sudo adduser <user> misc # again, misc is the group name in this example.

Now, since the permissions are rwxrwx--- and your user is part of the
misc group, your user has full rwx permission to the share via the SMB
service.

This is my first attempt without a book at a simplified Samba, so
corrections, changed, etc are all welcome. It can be used to get someone
off the ground and start experimenting with Samba.

I didn't add a WINS section. Perhaps someone can provide a basic one to
snap into this.

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:30:16 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:16:48 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often...

I wish you would tell my Ubuntu machine that. I turned it on
specifically to dump some ISO images onto a Windows XP share and it
kept falling over / timing out. Then it saw the workgroups but could
never open them.

XP is limited with NT1 over new SMB2 with larger file sizes...

Sorry, how does that make Linux do all this better than Windows?

Post by Jonathan N. Little
but also
could be your setup...

That works fine for Windows, OSX and even Android clients?

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
So, I KVM'd back to this XP Mac Mini, opened the network and there
everything was. Switched back to the Ubuntu (13.04).
Tried it just now, clicking on the 'Windows network' Icon eventually
opens the networks and shows me the two workgroups. Clicking on either
eventually returns
"Unable to mount location, Failed to retrieve share list from server.
Connection timed out"

Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list.

Nope. My BM is the WHS.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser,

The WHS.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
are you using WINS or using broadcast?

Broadcast. Still, Linux would be able to use SMB better than Linux
under all circumstances eh? Well, that is what you said anyway.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Have
you bothered to change your logs...

What Logs. I've never had to change any 'logs' under Windows so is
this some extra manual chore I have to do in Linux to make it better
than Windows at all this?

Before you get too excited, this is the same PC that I built with
Linux in mind and currently happens to be running U 13.04. I could
flip out that SSD and slip in another running some other Linux distro
and/or version and it could well see the network just fine.

It's just that then doesn't seem to go along with your 'Linux works
SMB better than Windows' *opinion* though does it? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Have
you bothered to change your logs...

What Logs. I've never had to change any 'logs' under Windows so is
this some extra manual chore I have to do in Linux to make it better
than Windows at all this?

s/change/check/

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:40:24 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Have
you bothered to change your logs...

What Logs. I've never had to change any 'logs' under Windows so is
this some extra manual chore I have to do in Linux to make it better
than Windows at all this?

s/change/check/

My question still stands:

What Logs. I've never had to check any 'logs' under Windows (for SMB
stuff) so is this some extra manual chore I have to do for Linux to
make it better than Windows at all this?

Cheers, T i m

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:40:24 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Have
you bothered to change your logs...

What Logs. I've never had to change any 'logs' under Windows so is
this some extra manual chore I have to do in Linux to make it better
than Windows at all this?

s/change/check/

What Logs. I've never had to check any 'logs' under Windows (for SMB
stuff) so is this some extra manual chore I have to do for Linux to
make it better than Windows at all this?

Because Windows has lousy logging. Check you dang logs on the Linux
client. /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log for problems with
connection, timeouts, and authentication.

If there is problem with the Linux system in the server role then check
/var/log/samba/log.smbd for server level trouble and
/var/log/samba/log.CLIENT_IP & /var/log/samba/log.CLIENT_NAME logs for
client access problems.

Or if this is too much trouble then except your limitations and don't
use Linux.

[T i m]

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:40:24 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Have you bothered to change your logs...

What Logs. I've never had to change any 'logs' under Windows so is
this some extra manual chore I have to do in Linux to make it better
than Windows at all this?

s/change/check/

What Logs. I've never had to check any 'logs' under Windows (for SMB
stuff) so is this some extra manual chore I have to do for Linux to
make it better than Windows at all this?

Because Windows has lousy logging. Check you dang logs on the Linux
client. /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log for problems with
connection, timeouts, and authentication.

Is this the auth logs (I'm using the Logfile viewer in System tools). If
so there is no mention of anything at the time I was just trying to
browse the workgroups again.

Nov 23 09:19:42 A300-Linux lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm-autologin:session):
session opened for user tim by (uid=0)
Nov 23 09:19:42 A300-Linux lightdm: pam_ck_connector(lightdm-
autologin:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0
Nov 23 09:19:42 A300-Linux gnome-keyring-daemon[1654]: Gkm: using old
keyring directory: /home/tim/.gnome2/keyrings
Nov 23 09:19:42 A300-Linux gnome-keyring-daemon[1654]: Gkm: using old
keyring directory: /home/tim/.gnome2/keyrings
Nov 23 09:19:42 A300-Linux gnome-keyring-daemon[1654]: couldn't register
in session: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by
any .service files
Nov 23 09:19:42 A300-Linux gnome-keyring-daemon[1654]: couldn't set
environment variable in session: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was
not provided by any .service files
<snip log>

syslog (from the logfile viewer) shows nothing appropriate at this time
either.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Or if this is too much trouble then except your limitations and don't
use Linux.

If this doesn't work I'll have to use a different process to move the
files and wipe this install and start afresh. That may work (or not) and
for a while (or not).

Cheers, T i m

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Or if this is too much trouble then except your limitations and don't
use Linux.

If this doesn't work I'll have to use a different process to move the
files and wipe this install and start afresh. That may work (or not) and
for a while (or not).

From the non-working Linux box start a terminal and enter

smbtree -d 3

post results and point out which machine your are having difficulties with

[T i m]

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Or if this is too much trouble then except your limitations and don't
use Linux.

If this doesn't work I'll have to use a different process to move the
files and wipe this install and start afresh. That may work (or not)
and for a while (or not).

From the non-working Linux box start a terminal and enter
smbtree -d 3
post results and point out which machine your are having difficulties with

This one:

Well, that was the one I was trying to get to but the network browser
didn't show me *any* machines inside either workgroup.

\\MINI-XP Mac Mini Duo
Connecting to host=MINI-XP
resolve_lmhosts: Attempting lmhosts lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>
resolve_lmhosts: Attempting lmhosts lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>
resolve_wins: Attempting wins lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>
resolve_wins: WINS server resolution selected and no WINS servers listed.
resolve_hosts: Attempting host lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>
Connecting to 81.200.64.50 at port 445
Connecting to 81.200.64.50 at port 139
Error connecting to 81.200.64.50 (Success)
cli_start_connection: failed to connect to MINI-XP<20> (0.0.0.0). Error
NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL

But like I said, I've done what I need now and other Linux installs have
worked ok (networking).

Cheers, T i m

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Or if this is too much trouble then except your limitations and don't
use Linux.

If this doesn't work I'll have to use a different process to move the
files and wipe this install and start afresh. That may work (or not)
and for a while (or not).

From the non-working Linux box start a terminal and enter
smbtree -d 3
post results and point out which machine your are having difficulties with

Well, that was the one I was trying to get to but the network browser
didn't show me *any* machines inside either workgroup.
\\MINI-XP Mac Mini Duo
Connecting to host=MINI-XP
resolve_lmhosts: Attempting lmhosts lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>
resolve_lmhosts: Attempting lmhosts lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>

so you not using lmhosts files

Post by T i m
resolve_wins: Attempting wins lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>
resolve_wins: WINS server resolution selected and no WINS servers listed.

and you don't have a WINS server, I usually dedicate on Linux box in the
role, it helps Windows clients.

Post by T i m
resolve_hosts: Attempting host lookup for name MINI-XP<0x20>

so your probably relying on broadcast so editing the
/etc/samba/smbd.conf in the global section changing the name resolution
order to:

name resolve order = bcast host lmhosts wins

would help.

Post by T i m
Connecting to 81.200.64.50 at port 445
Connecting to 81.200.64.50 at port 139
Error connecting to 81.200.64.50 (Success)
cli_start_connection: failed to connect to MINI-XP<20> (0.0.0.0). Error
NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL

Now looking at the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would probably detail why the
connection failed, possible permissions problem or a credentials problem.

Post by T i m
But like I said, I've done what I need now and other Linux installs have
worked ok (networking).
Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:22:10 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Now looking at the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would probably detail why the
connection failed, possible permissions problem or a credentials problem.

Why would I need 'credentials' to be able to browse a workgroup?

And the point is, this is just one of many Linux machines that I have
had on this network and ALL of them have been left how they come OOTB
re any networking. Ok, where I can simply right click on a directory
and share it (and *it* deal with any permissions, as per my selection)
then that is what I have done but no more.

After all, why would I as the object of the exercise is and always has
been (with any OS ever) to *use* it.

As an aside, the updator keeps nagging me that there is a later
version (than 13.04) so I might as well let it to it and see what
happens. If it screws itself up or doesn't fix the issue (that is no
longer an issue now I have done what I want) I can wipe it and
reinstall it from scratch (if I'm wanting to play like that).

See, unless I put any CLI stiff into my Linux Dropbox database it will
be forgotten (it already is from yesterday) and the chances that I'll
use it again soon enough to actually remember it will be tending
towards zero, so I just don't bother and unlike some, I don't pretend
it is interesting or that it was the perfect answer to my point. A
point that popped up because *you* claimed that Linux handled SMB
better than Windows and right here and right now that simply isn't the
case. So, 'in your opinion' or 'in your experience' might have been
acceptable but anything else is just not true (other than for you
etc).

But don't get me wrong (although saying that won't stop you of course
<g>), I *am* grateful for your efforts and if was something I actually
had to have working (like that USB mouse) I would have followed up on
every question and suggestion (as I did with you and others on the
mouse), except, even then I wasn't interested in the 'whys and how's'
because in the / my real world there would be little to no chance of
me being able to make use of such information because of many factors
(including my (poor) memory, my total dislike and disinterest in
'programming' and the practical realisation therefore that there was
little point *trying* to get deeper involved in such).

It's not 'I don't want to learn' it's all about the realism of me
actually learning that sort of thing, **even* if I wanted to*. And
none of the above is getting any better / easier as I get older.

Now, I am / was what was described by the likes of British Telecom,
Kodak and several other Co's at the time as an 'Electronics Service /
Support Engineer (their words / title, not mine). I designed and built
(entirely) a 1kW mobile disco system (from the speaker cabinets,
console, mixer-amps and lights) and loved every second of it. I also
enjoyed doing the stuff for work.

But now, if I wanted something like that I'd probably just go out and
buy it (because ICBA to build it and the stuff is a lot cheaper than
it was then (and exists)).

Similarly, the other day I was given a reasonable spec motherboard
with a dual core 775 processor and a G of RAM, all that was wrong with
it were the PSU caps were blown. Now, I had the right ones in my draw,
I had a range of irons, solder, flux, de-soldering tools and even a
big magnifying light but the job tested my patience in a way it
wouldn't even 5 years ago.

So, I put a PC together from bits and then I want to make it useful,
be it for me or someone else. I would so love to 'just stick Linux' on
them on the grounds that it's free (of cost) and (supposedly) more
secure, reliable and 'easy to use and install'. However, I have just
installed W7 on several machines (desktops and laptops) and whilst it
has taken longer and needed a bit more effort re AV etc, they ALL
detected ALL the hardware OOTB and 'just worked'. So, all I had to do
to bring them up to readiness was just procedural. And that's just how
I want a solution to be these days ... and as I stated day one here
over three years ago now, I am not looking for another hobby. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:22:10 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Now looking at the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would probably detail why the
connection failed, possible permissions problem or a credentials problem.

Why would I need 'credentials' to be able to browse a workgroup?

Depends on how you setup the share. IIRC Win98 was the last version of
Windows where smb shares had no authentication...

Post by T i m
And the point is, this is just one of many Linux machines that I have
had on this network and ALL of them have been left how they come OOTB
re any networking. Ok, where I can simply right click on a directory
and share it (and *it* deal with any permissions, as per my selection)
then that is what I have done but no more.
After all, why would I as the object of the exercise is and always has
been (with any OS ever) to *use* it.

Then it is NOT for you, stop using it or stop complaining.

Post by T i m
As an aside, the updator keeps nagging me that there is a later
version (than 13.04)

I guess selecting to turn off it was just too difficult, or maybe you
needed something more to complain about.

Post by T i m
See, unless I put any CLI stiff into my Linux Dropbox database it will
be forgotten (it already is from yesterday) and the chances that I'll
use it again soon enough to actually remember it will be tending
towards zero, so I just don't bother and unlike some, I don't pretend
it is interesting or that it was the perfect answer to my point. A
point that popped up because *you* claimed that Linux handled SMB
better than Windows and right here and right now that simply isn't the
case. So, 'in your opinion' or 'in your experience' might have been
acceptable but anything else is just not true (other than for you
etc).
But don't get me wrong (although saying that won't stop you of course
<g>), I *am* grateful for your efforts and if was something I actually
had to have working (like that USB mouse) I would have followed up on
every question and suggestion (as I did with you and others on the
mouse), except, even then I wasn't interested in the 'whys and how's'
because in the / my real world there would be little to no chance of
me being able to make use of such information because of many factors
(including my (poor) memory, my total dislike and disinterest in
'programming' and the practical realisation therefore that there was
little point *trying* to get deeper involved in such).
It's not 'I don't want to learn' it's all about the realism of me
actually learning that sort of thing, **even* if I wanted to*. And
none of the above is getting any better / easier as I get older.
Now, I am / was what was described by the likes of British Telecom,
Kodak and several other Co's at the time as an 'Electronics Service /
Support Engineer (their words / title, not mine). I designed and built
(entirely) a 1kW mobile disco system (from the speaker cabinets,
console, mixer-amps and lights) and loved every second of it. I also
enjoyed doing the stuff for work.
But now, if I wanted something like that I'd probably just go out and
buy it (because ICBA to build it and the stuff is a lot cheaper than
it was then (and exists)).
Similarly, the other day I was given a reasonable spec motherboard
with a dual core 775 processor and a G of RAM, all that was wrong with
it were the PSU caps were blown. Now, I had the right ones in my draw,
I had a range of irons, solder, flux, de-soldering tools and even a
big magnifying light but the job tested my patience in a way it
wouldn't even 5 years ago.
So, I put a PC together from bits and then I want to make it useful,
be it for me or someone else. I would so love to 'just stick Linux' on
them on the grounds that it's free (of cost) and (supposedly) more
secure, reliable and 'easy to use and install'. However, I have just
installed W7 on several machines (desktops and laptops) and whilst it
has taken longer and needed a bit more effort re AV etc, they ALL
detected ALL the hardware OOTB and 'just worked'. So, all I had to do
to bring them up to readiness was just procedural. And that's just how
I want a solution to be these days ... and as I stated day one here
over three years ago now, I am not looking for another hobby. ;-)

Sadly we all here know what you hobby is.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

<who cares?>
Sadly we all here know what you hobby is.

That clown is still getting responses? Shitcan the Windozer.
--
Committee Rules:
(1) Never arrive on time, or you will be stamped a beginner.
(2) Don't say anything until the meeting is half over; this
stamps you as being wise.
(3) Be as vague as possible; this prevents irritating the
others.
(4) When in doubt, suggest that a subcommittee be appointed.
(5) Be the first to move for adjournment; this will make you
popular -- it's what everyone is waiting for.

[T i m]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:48:39 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:22:10 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Now looking at the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would probably detail why the
connection failed, possible permissions problem or a credentials problem.

Why would I need 'credentials' to be able to browse a workgroup?

Depends on how you setup the share. IIRC Win98 was the last version of
Windows where smb shares had no authentication...

Ok? I don't have any authentication on the shares in question (not
formal ones anyway).

However, we aren't talking about that at this point are we, this is
just *browsing* the network?

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
And the point is, this is just one of many Linux machines that I have
had on this network and ALL of them have been left how they come OOTB
re any networking. Ok, where I can simply right click on a directory
and share it (and *it* deal with any permissions, as per my selection)
then that is what I have done but no more.
After all, why would I as the object of the exercise is and always has
been (with any OS ever) to *use* it.

Then it is NOT for you, stop using it or stop complaining.

Why, because you say so?

See, I have no issue not using Linux where it doesn't work but I have
every right to both correct your BS re Windows being bad and Linux
good (on all things) and to play with Linux just to see what it can do
if I choose.

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
As an aside, the updator keeps nagging me that there is a later
version (than 13.04)

I guess selecting to turn off it was just too difficult, or maybe you
needed something more to complain about.

Whoosh. The 'point' was that there was an update (to a later version)
and that I might try it. Grow a thicker skin princess.
<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
So, I put a PC together from bits and then I want to make it useful,
be it for me or someone else. I would so love to 'just stick Linux' on
them on the grounds that it's free (of cost) and (supposedly) more
secure, reliable and 'easy to use and install'. However, I have just
installed W7 on several machines (desktops and laptops) and whilst it
has taken longer and needed a bit more effort re AV etc, they ALL
detected ALL the hardware OOTB and 'just worked'. So, all I had to do
to bring them up to readiness was just procedural. And that's just how
I want a solution to be these days ... and as I stated day one here
over three years ago now, I am not looking for another hobby. ;-)

Sadly we all here know what you hobby is.

Checking people spellings when they are trying to be 'clever / funny'?
;-)

No, the real problem isn't you knowing what my hobbies are but
comprehending what they aren't, and one definitely isn't any form of
programming or DOS era usage.

So, whilst Linux can be a modern GUI driven OS that works then I'll
use it (thanks). When it isn't I'll ask here if there is a simple fix,
as after all, discussion is about both good and bad eh 'Princess'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[mechanic]

Post by T i m
Error connecting to 81.200.64.50 (Success)

There's a nice helpful message!

[T i m]

Post by mechanic

Post by T i m
Error connecting to 81.200.64.50 (Success)

There's a nice helpful message!

Yeah, I spotted that and isn't it just. ;-)

I'm sure it computes with the DLU Trolls.

Cheers, T i m

[mike]

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:30:16 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:16:48 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Ernie
<CUT>
- you will have to explicitly enter the path in Explorer
\\LinuxMachine\YourShare
- Made the PC browsable
- Shortened the name of the PC into something more common understandible
Thanks

Sad but true, Linux handles smb *better* than Windows. Picks up shares
more quickly and loses them less often...

I wish you would tell my Ubuntu machine that. I turned it on
specifically to dump some ISO images onto a Windows XP share and it
kept falling over / timing out. Then it saw the workgroups but could
never open them.

I experiment with various distros and os's and devices.
Got so fed up with trying to make the network work across platforms
and operating systems that I just put a simple HTTP file server on the
win7 machine. Anything with a web browser can transfer files. No network
issues, no password issues, no permission issues, no format issues
no CLI incantations. Works across the room or across the world.
It's hard to make it not work.
I even added another OPEN wireless router to the system. Just turn on
the power, transfer files from the pda or phone, no network issues,
no firewall issues, no permission issues, no nothing, it just works.
When done, power off the open router, close the HTTP server
and faghettaboutit. One click and a power switch. There's
also a usb memory stick on the router that can be used.

Obviously not good for a persistent high-bandwidth connection,
but for quick file transfers, it saves much configuration hassle.
I've never had much reason to transfer files from linux to windows.
Nothin' much is compatible between 'em anyway.

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
XP is limited with NT1 over new SMB2 with larger file sizes...

Sorry, how does that make Linux do all this better than Windows?

Post by Jonathan N. Little
but also
could be your setup...

That works fine for Windows, OSX and even Android clients?

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
So, I KVM'd back to this XP Mac Mini, opened the network and there
everything was. Switched back to the Ubuntu (13.04).
Tried it just now, clicking on the 'Windows network' Icon eventually
opens the networks and shows me the two workgroups. Clicking on either
eventually returns
"Unable to mount location, Failed to retrieve share list from server.
Connection timed out"

Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list.

Nope. My BM is the WHS.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser,

The WHS.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
are you using WINS or using broadcast?

Broadcast. Still, Linux would be able to use SMB better than Linux
under all circumstances eh? Well, that is what you said anyway.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Have
you bothered to change your logs...

What Logs. I've never had to change any 'logs' under Windows so is
this some extra manual chore I have to do in Linux to make it better
than Windows at all this?
Before you get too excited, this is the same PC that I built with
Linux in mind and currently happens to be running U 13.04. I could
flip out that SSD and slip in another running some other Linux distro
and/or version and it could well see the network just fine.
It's just that then doesn't seem to go along with your 'Linux works
SMB better than Windows' *opinion* though does it? ;-)
Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:16:16 -0800, mike <***@netzero.net> wrote:

<snip>

Post by mike

Post by T i m
I wish you would tell my Ubuntu machine that. I turned it on
specifically to dump some ISO images onto a Windows XP share and it
kept falling over / timing out. Then it saw the workgroups but could
never open them.

I experiment with various distros and os's and devices.

So do I ... 'searching for the Holy Grail'. ;-)

Post by mike
Got so fed up with trying to make the network work across platforms
and operating systems that I just put a simple HTTP file server on the
win7 machine. Anything with a web browser can transfer files. No network
issues, no password issues, no permission issues, no format issues
no CLI incantations. Works across the room or across the world.
It's hard to make it not work.

Cool. ;-)

Post by mike
I even added another OPEN wireless router to the system.

You know you said that out loud and here? Hey, I bet that would
confuse the likes of the NSA ... "Open and un-encrypted, it must be a
distraction" ;-)

Post by mike
Just turn on
the power, transfer files from the pda or phone, no network issues,
no firewall issues, no permission issues, no nothing, it just works.

Sounds like a good solution.

Post by mike
When done, power off the open router, close the HTTP server
and faghettaboutit.

Ah, but is it *really* closed. You know MS will still have at least
1000 backdoors open into your machine don't you? <rolls eyes>

Post by mike
One click and a power switch.

Ah, it might look that it's powered off and unplugged ...

Post by mike
There's
also a usb memory stick on the router that can be used.

That's probably also a WiFi device ... all is lost ...

Post by mike
Obviously not good for a persistent high-bandwidth connection,
but for quick file transfers, it saves much configuration hassle.

And that's often all we want isn't it. For keeping my ever growing
database of 'How to make Linux work' files I use Dropbox. I'm not
worried about security and the Interweb is littered with that sort of
thing anyway!

Post by mike
I've never had much reason to transfer files from linux to windows.
Nothin' much is compatible between 'em anyway.

Well Linux can download .ISOs ok ... it's just that I've had mixed
results burning them on the same box. I even went out and *bought* a
later version of Nero for Windows because of it (and burning BD data
disks).

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:30:16 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list. Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser, are you using WINS or using broadcast? Have
you bothered to change your logs...

Don't worry Jonathan, I've resolved it (as in a solution).

I just (locally) copied the files from the Linux download directory to
the 'Shared' directory (I'd created previously, I can't see how to do
it now with Cinnamon, it was easy under Unity) and then copied the
files from there from this XP machine up to the other XP machine. ;-)

No log files or faffing about required. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:30:16 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list. Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser, are you using WINS or using broadcast? Have
you bothered to change your logs...

Don't worry Jonathan, I've resolved it (as in a solution).
I just (locally) copied the files from the Linux download directory to
the 'Shared' directory (I'd created previously, I can't see how to do
it now with Cinnamon, it was easy under Unity) and then copied the
files from there from this XP machine up to the other XP machine. ;-)
No log files or faffing about required. ;-)

A check of the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would have probably indicated
what the problem was, but sure why find out what the problem was and
risk learning something.

[T i m]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:00:35 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:30:16 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list. Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser, are you using WINS or using broadcast? Have
you bothered to change your logs...

Don't worry Jonathan, I've resolved it (as in a solution).
I just (locally) copied the files from the Linux download directory to
the 'Shared' directory (I'd created previously, I can't see how to do
it now with Cinnamon, it was easy under Unity) and then copied the
files from there from this XP machine up to the other XP machine. ;-)
No log files or faffing about required. ;-)

A check of the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would have probably indicated
what the problem was,

But that still seems like 'faffing about' to me? ;-)

Post by Jonathan N. Little
but sure why find out what the problem was and
risk learning something.

Well, I have hopefully explained that elsewhere but a mini overview
for you:

I'm not looking for a new hobby.

I am looking for practical, reliable working solutions.

I don't want to waste my life doing stuff I shouldn't have to do and
have no interest in doing, no matter what it is.

My memory is very poor at remembering gobbledygook (CLI stuff)

I can remember pictures and processes (GUI stuff).

I have rarely (ever, over 20+ years and many OS') looked in any Log
files in the hope it will help me locate any fault. Log files are
written for geeks and gurus and I am neither. That said, (and outside
of Linux of course), I've rarely walked away from any 'problem'
without some solution.

Anything I might learn right now (CLI Gobbledygook) *will* be
forgotten tomorrow. So, the only way I could ever make use of it again
is to write it down and I don't consider that learning. That is just
making notes (retrospectively in 99% of the cases) about a specific
issue in the hope such notes might apply to any similar issue that may
appear in the future. Give me a GUI solution and there is a good
chance I *will* be able to find and use it un-prompted in the future
(and hence why I am happy to accept such solutions as solutions).
*That* is what I call 'learning' and the only sort I can manage (or be
bothered with) these days. As is my right / choice of course. ;-)

So, you mention log files and I check in the menus and find there is a
log file reader. There doesn't seem to be any mention of any Samba
logs so I go File > Open and see a Samba folder so open it and see all
sorts of logs appertaining to my network (bit not the PC I was trying
to connect to).

Now, when I open any such log, if they contain anything at all there
is little chance much of it will make any sense and (therefore) the
greater chance of me getting very bored very quickly and simply
closing it and getting on with something more productive and that I do
actually enjoy.

For me, using *any* OS is all about functionality and nothing about
anything else. I'm looking for 'Easy to install and use'.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I just rebooted the Mac Mini in question in OSX and it just came
up (quickly) and just worked. It's probably EOL now so there were no
OS updates. It was able to browse the network (but I really don't like
it's way of doing stuff and hence why I've never really bothered to
use it).

Right, time to plug my USB endoscope into a laptop and see if I can
see up the back of the dashboard on our car and hope I can see a lose
plug that would explain all the weird dash lights and other funnies we
have been experiencing lately. The endoscope came with Windows drivers
(of course), was found and worked on OSX (except I don't have a Mac
Laptop so can't take it to the car) and whilst the last time I tried
it on Linux it 'worked', it was very very slow so you lost any real
feedback re where you were with the camera (it was more like a
slideshow). It will be interesting to see what U13.10 makes of it. (I
won't bother telling you as if it isn't positive you will only come up
with some BS about me making it up or my bogus expectations for Linux
etc. I'll just use what works first.) ;-)

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:00:35 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:30:16 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Time to pay attention to the vector. There server here is the XP machine
and it not sending out the browser list. Then again which machine is
your Local Master Browser, are you using WINS or using broadcast? Have
you bothered to change your logs...

Don't worry Jonathan, I've resolved it (as in a solution).
I just (locally) copied the files from the Linux download directory to
the 'Shared' directory (I'd created previously, I can't see how to do
it now with Cinnamon, it was easy under Unity) and then copied the
files from there from this XP machine up to the other XP machine. ;-)
No log files or faffing about required. ;-)

A check of the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would have probably indicated
what the problem was,

But that still seems like 'faffing about' to me? ;-)

So getting a EventID with OptCode and really informative Keyword such as
0x8080000000000000 is so superior! Oh but it is in a GUI window though
with a Get Help online button which often brings you to a helpful
TechNet page announcing that the is no information on the error...

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
but sure why find out what the problem was and
risk learning something.

Well, I have hopefully explained that elsewhere but a mini overview
I'm not looking for a new hobby.

Because you are so occupied with this one.

Post by T i m
I am looking for practical, reliable working solutions.
I don't want to waste my life doing stuff I shouldn't have to do and
have no interest in doing, no matter what it is.
My memory is very poor at remembering gobbledygook (CLI stuff)
I can remember pictures and processes (GUI stuff).

Then either get someone else to fix it for you or stop trying to use it.
Oh yes, that would interfere with your primary hobby.

Well that is it, I'm done. There is no helping you because you do not
really want help.

[T i m]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:30:33 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
A check of the /var/log/samba/log.smbd would have probably indicated
what the problem was,

But that still seems like 'faffing about' to me? ;-)

So getting a EventID with OptCode and really informative Keyword such as
0x8080000000000000 is so superior!

Dunno, rarely use either (brands of error code).

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Oh but it is in a GUI window though
with a Get Help online button which often brings you to a helpful
TechNet page announcing that the is no information on the error...

And so we Google is like normal. Except, when I get offered a Windows
solution it generally works (=I can apply it and it works) whereas
it's rare that I can make use of any Linux solutions as they rarely
match my distro, version or desktop or they are too complicated to
apply. By too complicated I mean 'effort in for solution out' (even if
that issue is cleared up in Linux there will still be all the other
shortcomings).

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m

Post by Jonathan N. Little
but sure why find out what the problem was and
risk learning something.

Well, I have hopefully explained that elsewhere but a mini overview
I'm not looking for a new hobby.

Because you are so occupied with this one.

Only as a result of the weirdness of a minority of DLU Trolls.

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
I am looking for practical, reliable working solutions.
I don't want to waste my life doing stuff I shouldn't have to do and
have no interest in doing, no matter what it is.
My memory is very poor at remembering gobbledygook (CLI stuff)
I can remember pictures and processes (GUI stuff).

Then either get someone else to fix it for you

I wish!

Post by Jonathan N. Little
or stop trying to use it.

What, because it's broken you are admitting?

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Oh yes, that would interfere with your primary hobby.

Cause and effect my friend. I come here for help and instead of that I
get everything else (in many cases). So, if that is how it is I'm
happy to oblige. ;-)

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Well that is it, I'm done.

Done with what? Helping me when I don't need it and not helping me
when I do? Yeah, thanks for nothing.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
There is no helping you because you do not
really want help.

No, what you need to learn is that helping someone is offering them
the help they need in the form they can use it. I'm not saying you
should offer help (of any form), just how it might have to be to
actually help.

For the record I didn't actually ask for any help on this Linux
networking issue, I was simply countering your brash and incorrect
opinion that 'Linux dealt with SMB better than Windows'.

I know how I can (probably) fix this Linux issue and that's to
reinstall Linux ... and I probably will when I can be bothered.

Now, if you actually want to prove you do really want to offer
practical help then maybe you could shed some light on why the 13.04
install I have on my Toshiba Satellite Pro A200 laptop seems to go
mental when Skype makes an audio notification? It just looked like
Ubuntu *was able* to make use of my USB endoscope when a notification
caused a very loud buzzing noise that I fixed by shutting Ubuntu down
(luckily we can rewind Live TV as the family missed what they were
watching at the time).

Now, again, it's no biggie as I can simply boot into W7 and I can use
the camera and not have to suffer any half baked audio subsystem going
mad (how long has that been an issue in Linux now?) but it would be
nice to have the choice. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:14:00 +0000

it's rare that I can make use of any Linux solutions as they... are
too complicated to apply.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Yep. A small child could do it, though. Or a brain-dead monkey.

Cybe R. Wizard

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:38:43 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:14:00 +0000

it's rare that I can make use of any Linux solutions as they... are
too complicated to apply.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Yep. A small child could do it, though. Or a brain-dead monkey.
Cybe R. Wizard

Or even me! Oooo,Oooo, Aaaa, Aaaa, Eee Eee, Tookie, Tookie!

[mach2]

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
My memory is very poor at remembering gobbledygook (CLI stuff)
I can remember pictures and processes (GUI stuff).

Then either get someone else to fix it for you or stop trying to use it.
Oh yes, that would interfere with your primary hobby.
Well that is it, I'm done. There is no helping you because you do not
really want help.

He's just an asshole wasting your good intentions. That's all that prick
does here. He hopes to sour you on helping anyone else that actually
wants to be helped.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by mach2

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
My memory is very poor at remembering gobbledygook (CLI stuff)
I can remember pictures and processes (GUI stuff).

Then either get someone else to fix it for you or stop trying to use it.
Oh yes, that would interfere with your primary hobby.
Well that is it, I'm done. There is no helping you because you do not
really want help.

He's just an asshole wasting your good intentions. That's all that prick
does here. He hopes to sour you on helping anyone else that actually
wants to be helped.

+1

[T i m]

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by T i m
My memory is very poor at remembering gobbledygook (CLI stuff)
I can remember pictures and processes (GUI stuff).

Then either get someone else to fix it for you or stop trying to use it.
Oh yes, that would interfere with your primary hobby.
Well that is it, I'm done. There is no helping you because you do not
really want help.

He's just an <snip> wasting your good intentions.

Aww, bless. Want to write about it in your blog?

That's all that <another snip demonstrating that the worm has lost it>
does here.

No, I try to get help for real-world Ubuntu issues and then have to
sped my time countering the OT BS from the likes of you. Do us a
favour and take your OS conspiracy theories and blog elsewhere.

He hopes to sour you on helping anyone else that actually
wants to be helped.

I really don't know how someone could se so absolutely wrong. Oh yes I
do, I've met DLU Trolls before!

Your BS is completely and utterly 100% wrong. What I want more than
anything is to see those people who need help getting the likes of
Ubuntu going is to see them getting the help they require, something I
offer when I can. Real help (not lectures) for real people (not geeks)
getting real solutions (not theories and any other BS the likes of you
come up with).

You on the other hand are all about YOU, what YOU want and what works
for YOU.

I don't think I've met anyone as selfish as you (and I've met Ceed!
<electronically>). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[mach2]

On 11/24/2013 08:55 AM, T i m wrote:
STFU.

[T i m]

STFU.

Bwhahaha. Yup, that's about the sort of level of discussion you can
deal with eh!

Anyway, as long as Mach2 is happy getting what Mach2 wants then all is
fine eh.

Cheers, T i m

[mechanic]

STFU.

Great debating skills there Mach2, your mother must be so proud!

[T i m]

Post by mechanic

STFU.

Great debating skills there Mach2, your mother must be so proud!

He can't debate mate. You cant when you are stuck on transmit. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[William Poaster]

STFU.

+1,000
--
The Swedish Chef has been assimilated.Poot de cheeckee in de pun. Borg
borg borg!

Linux is the scientific community’s operating system of choice.
CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

[T i m]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:10:04 +0000, William Poaster
<***@induh-vidual.net> wrote:

<nothing>

Linux is the scientific community¢s operating system of choice.
CERN¢s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.

Agreed, specialist needs an setup by geeks. However, that's not what
Ubuntu is all about is it so take your OT advocacy and evangelism
elsewhere grandad.

http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

Bwhaha. Still posting that out of date (incorrect) propaganda old man?

"Update 5/10/13 9 p.m. EST: We heard from Kieth Chuvala below who said
his comments with the Linux Foundation have been misconstrued. The ISS
does use Linux as well as Windows, and has no plans to ditch Windows
any time soon. This story has been updated to reflect Chuvala's
correction."

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/international-space-station-ditches-windows-for-linux/

So fancy that, the poor old dinosaur posts what he things is some
positive evidence that the ISS has gone all Linux and it turns out
it's actually BS! Who would have thought. Posting something that was
'misconstrued' here by a DLU Troll!

And this 'move to Linux' is from Windows XP that is about to reach OEL
in any case. Wow, that must have been a real hard decision for the
rocket scientists!

Yeah, the ISS is now using more Linux because XP is going EOL ... so,
where has Linux been for the last 13 years then? Bwhahahaha!!

Better late than never, even to the space race!

Yeah, please keep up the propaganda grandad ... except I bet even the
Linux community wishes you didn't!

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:10:04 +0000, William Poaster
<nothing>

Linux is the scientific community?s operating system of choice.
CERN?s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.

Agreed, specialist needs an setup by geeks. However, that's not what
Ubuntu is all about is it so take your OT advocacy and evangelism
elsewhere grandad.

You're a goddamned idiot, T i m m y T a r d.

The folks listed there are scientists. There is a distinction. I
know a primary school dropout might have problems with such a simple
thing as a "distinction", much less use of the term in conversation, but
that is how us regular folk mosey on down the road.

Oh and Ubuntu is a Linux distro. It most certainly IS in use in those
places, and IS in use by folks around them, and can easily be set up for
complicated, secure, or even mission critical tasks.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:41:40 +0000

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:10:04 +0000, William Poaster
<nothing>

Linux is the scientific community¢s operating system of choice.
CERN¢s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.

Agreed, specialist needs an setup by geeks. However, that's not what
Ubuntu is all about is it so take your OT advocacy and evangelism
elsewhere grandad.

http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

Bwhaha. Still posting that out of date (incorrect) propaganda old man?
"Update 5/10/13 9 p.m. EST: We heard from Kieth Chuvala below who said
his comments with the Linux Foundation have been misconstrued. The ISS
does use Linux as well as Windows, and has no plans to ditch Windows
any time soon. This story has been updated to reflect Chuvala's
correction."

Your lack of reading comprehension continually amazes.

Foot-in-mouth disease?

Nowhere did he claim total Linux use. What you claim is exactly what
William typed; that NASA and SpaceX use Linux. he did /NOT/ claim
exclusive use.

Try really hard for a better and more believable troll.

Cybe R. Wizard

[William Poaster]

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:41:40 +0000

<snip T i mtard troll drivel>

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Your lack of reading comprehension continually amazes.

Why? He's a don't-want-to-learn-anything junior school dropout.
You expect the Dimwit to be intelligent?

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Foot-in-mouth disease?
Nowhere did he claim total Linux use. What you claim is exactly what
William typed; that NASA and SpaceX use Linux. he did /NOT/ claim
exclusive use.
Try really hard for a better and more believable troll.

What amuses me is the Dimtroll claims to be in his 50's, yet says "take
your OT advocacy and evangelism elsewhere grandad."
He calls *me* grandad! LOL
--
1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d

Linux is the scientific community’s operating system of choice.
CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

[mechanic]

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:10:04 +0000, William Poaster
<nothing>

Linux is the scientific community¢s operating system of choice.
CERN¢s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.

I wonder if these impressive sounding Linux users are actually using
a distro such as us mortal desktop users are? What version of
Ubuntu/Mint would they use and how often would they update? I
suspect they might run something like Red-Hat enterprise edition
with local modifications by their well-paid geeks. And as such of
little interest to us domestic users. They won't see the bugs that
plague normal users with their wifi setup or their new video card or
printer that doesn't quite work as advertised.

[T i m]

Post by mechanic

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:10:04 +0000, William Poaster
<nothing>

Linux is the scientific community¢s operating system of choice.
CERN¢s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.

I wonder if these impressive sounding Linux users are actually using
a distro such as us mortal desktop users are? What version of
Ubuntu/Mint would they use and how often would they update? I
suspect they might run something like Red-Hat enterprise edition
with local modifications by their well-paid geeks. And as such of
little interest to us domestic users. They won't see the bugs that
plague normal users with their wifi setup or their new video card or
printer that doesn't quite work as advertised.

Exactly, which is why it's just empty noise *here* and why I
highlighted such. It whooshed the normal suspects of course, probably
because they are too clever for this world. ;-)

Oh, and apparently you can post an out_of_date and technically
incorrect ink in your overlong footer and that is ok, as long as it
appears to promote Linux and better, denigrate anything else.

Cheers, T i m

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:29:40 +0000

Post by T i m

Post by mechanic

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:10:04 +0000, William Poaster
<nothing>

Linux is the scientific community¢s operating system of choice.
CERN¢s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.

I wonder if these impressive sounding Linux users are actually using
a distro such as us mortal desktop users are? What version of
Ubuntu/Mint would they use and how often would they update? I
suspect they might run something like Red-Hat enterprise edition
with local modifications by their well-paid geeks. And as such of
little interest to us domestic users. They won't see the bugs that
plague normal users with their wifi setup or their new video card or
printer that doesn't quite work as advertised.

Exactly, which is why it's just empty noise *here* and why I
highlighted such. It whooshed the normal suspects of course, probably
because they are too clever for this world. ;-)

That's plainly false. You only posted so you'd be able to write this:
----------

Post by T i m
So fancy that, the poor old dinosaur posts what he things is some
positive evidence that the ISS has gone all Linux and it turns out
it's actually BS!

----------

Of course, you missed the mark with your snark just as usual. Nowhere
did he state or imply that it has gone /all/ Linux. You dug that out
of your own diseased mind. You jumped too quickly without any reading
comprehension and failed once again.

Naturally, both you and the other troll snipped that part as I had
already outed you on it.

Cybe R. Wizard

[T i m]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:58:32 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.
***@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

<snip>

I'll bother to reply to you in the hope I might get though and you
might learn something about real comprehension.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Of course, you missed the mark with your snark just as usual. Nowhere
did he state or imply that it has gone /all/ Linux.

Point 1. Nowhere did I say *HE* said anything specific. People can say
things without saying them themselves.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
You dug that out
of your own diseased mind. You jumped too quickly without any reading
comprehension and failed once again.

This is the problem that can occur when you can only work at a binary
/ literal level. It's not your fault, it's what you are, you can't
help it.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Naturally, both you and the other troll snipped that part as I had
already outed you on it.

BS.

Right, (1) go to the out_of_date and technically incorrect link that
the old dinosaur puts in his overlong footer and (2) read for the
'spirit' (for a change).

http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

To do that you first have to read the actual words and then (and this
*will* be the tricky bit for you) try to get a feel of the intention
of those words, what do they leave you feeling (re how many machines
will be left running Windows etc).

See, it's not all to do with what people do or don't say explicitly
but can also be what isn't said, what one might be allowed to read
between the lines.

So, because what I have explained above *is* what normal people do,
they posted a correction to the first link explaining the truth
*because* people *will* read the first link and come to the very
conclusion I suggested, the conclusion the old dinosaur Troll poser
wants people to come to (and why he won't replace the link that serves
his purposes with one that doesn't). He has to spread lies and
irrelevancies (especially in a *Ubuntu* n/g) in an effort to 'promote'
both his cause and Linux (and failing because everyone can see
straight through him). He doesn't realise that of course because he is
old and out of touch.

<http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/international-space-station-ditches-windows-for-linux/>

Now, I appreciate this will be taking you into new / uncharted
territory but give it a go and please sit on your hands before trying
to make up some BS reply and making yourself look silly. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I'll be happy to help you understand it if you get stuck and drop
all the 'front'.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:28:52 +0000

Post by T i m
See, it's not all to do with what people do or don't say explicitly
but can also be what isn't said, what one might be allowed to read
between the lines.

Absolute nonsense. You can't know what goes on in another's mind. If
you think you do then it explains your multitude of failures both in
here and with Linux.

Cybe R. Wizard

[T i m]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:30:38 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:28:52 +0000

Post by T i m
See, it's not all to do with what people do or don't say explicitly
but can also be what isn't said, what one might be allowed to read
between the lines.

Absolute nonsense.

Nice snipping btw. Nothing like removing the facts when you don't have
anything to come back with. (And what did I say about you not coming
back with just BS?)

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
You can't know what goes on in another's mind.

See, if you understood people even slightly you would realise that too
is BS. It wasn't anything to do with mind reading, it was all to do
with reading and understanding ... 'the spirit'.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
If
you think you do then it explains your multitude of failures both in
here and with Linux.

Yup, of course that's what it must be, just because you say so (not).

Ok, I'll recap for you because maybe repetition of the FACTS might
eventually get past that arrogant front of yours.

The old dinosaur (Billy Poser) has a link in his overlong footer that
points to a story that is HEADED:

"International Space Station switches from Windows to Linux, for
improved reliability"

<http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability>

Now, without even having to 'read between the lines' it goes on to
add:

"As far as we know, after this transition, there won’t be a single
computer aboard the ISS that runs Windows."

And hence reinforcing this 'image' that the ISS is indeed switching
ALL it's 'Windows computers' to a Linux.

That is the story (which is actually untrue) that the old dinosaur is
trying to put across in the hope it will further his (desperately
pathetic) cause. Your trying to support such demonstrates how equally
desperate you are.

Now, I have posted an update link (several times) where it clearly
corrects the lies and propaganda with:

"Update 5/10/13 9 p.m. EST: We heard from Kieth Chuvala below who said
his comments with the Linux Foundation have been misconstrued. The ISS
does use Linux as well as Windows, and has no plans to ditch Windows
any time soon. This story has been updated to reflect Chuvala's
correction."

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/international-space-station-ditches-windows-for-linux/

So, the old dinosaurs intentions are to intentionally deceive by
including a link to a known lie, even after such has been brought to
his attention.

So, I got the Mrs to read the content on the link posted by the old
dinosaur and asked her to give me her feeling on what it was saying
and she said exactly what I said 'most people' would say and that was
'They are replacing ALL the Windows machines on the ISS with Linux'.

Now, he is doing all this in a newsgroup dedicated to *Ubuntu* and
Ubuntu is not intended to reflect the more traditional goals, ideals
and suitability of more 'raw' Linux distros. The point there that
therefore, a(n overlong) footer citing specific instances where
'Linux' excels has no bearing on those typically choosing Ubuntu for
the reasons it is typically offered. Now, what I'm not saying (and you
wouldn't 'get') is that I'm not precluding such 'specialist use of
Ubuntu, just that it would be unlikely.

So, his footer is not only irrelevant *here* but spreading lies.

Nothing we aren't used to from DLU Trolls of course.

Cheers, T i m

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:28:52 +0000

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:58:32 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.
<snip>
I'll bother to reply to you in the hope I might get though and you
might learn something about real comprehension.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Of course, you missed the mark with your snark just as usual.
Nowhere did he state or imply that it has gone /all/ Linux.

Point 1. Nowhere did I say *HE* said anything specific. People can say
things without saying them themselves.

The fairies are talking to you now?

Post by T i m

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
You dug that out
of your own diseased mind. You jumped too quickly without any
reading comprehension and failed once again.

This is the problem that can occur when you can only work at a binary
/ literal level. It's not your fault, it's what you are, you can't
help it.

You're right about one thing; it's not my fault. Instead it is my
advantage that I can read words and grasp the ideas and intent behind
them without resorting to any mystical 'spirit' thing except for the
meanings of the words. That you fail to see that is just added
advantage to me.

Post by T i m

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Naturally, both you and the other troll snipped that part as I had
already outed you on it.

BS.
Right, (1) go to the out_of_date and technically incorrect link that
the old dinosaur puts in his overlong footer and (2) read for the
'spirit' (for a change).
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o
To do that you first have to read the actual words

The actual words that say:
"As far as we know, after this transition, there won’t be a single
computer aboard the ISS that runs Windows."? Are those t he words you
mean?

I don't know about you (and ain't that the truth?), but I see that as
weasel-worded opinion at best. He never did state, /EVER/, that Linux
was replacing Winduhs anywhere. He stated that, /as far as he knows/,
something somewhat like that might or might not be happening.

Nor would I expect a tech writer for an online magazine to hold privy
information. If you, though, wish to 'further your cause' by
continuing to harp on what is not only old 'news' but not really news
at all, but opinion (as that's what Anthony writes), then by all
means go right on embarrassing yourself.

Post by T i m
and then (and this
*will* be the tricky bit for you) try to get a feel of the intention
of those words, what do they leave you feeling (re how many machines
will be left running Windows etc).

I was left with a feeling, quite well backed up by the facts and the
tone of the article, that Mr. Anthony wanted something to be true which
wasn't necessarily nor yet. I saw immediately that he was only wishing
and hoping. Is that what you mean by, "spirit'? I also saw that he
was likely going to have to print an update or retraction when the
groundswell of irate low-comprehension people (just like you!) started
howling that It Just Isn't True. (even though it is)

Post by T i m
See, it's not all to do with what people do or don't say explicitly
but can also be what isn't said, what one might be allowed to read
between the lines.

What between the lines? He said a thing was true as far as he knew.
That he didn't know far was kind of implicit in the article and its
source.

Or maybe you actually place credence in web articles by opinion writers.

Nice. You'll go far in this world.

Post by T i m
So, because what I have explained above *is* what normal people do,

Check, normal people mis-read articles, place too much credence in
a single person's opinions just because some online magazine lets them
publish on their site, believe what the article's author hopes and then
get pissed when it isn't strictly true. Got all that.

Go figure.

Post by T i m
they posted a correction to the first link explaining the truth
*because* people *will* read the first link and come to the very
conclusion I suggested,

Yep, the wrong one. Like I said, it figures.

Post by T i m
the conclusion the old dinosaur Troll poser

Heh
<AOL voice>
ASL?
</AOL voice>

Post by T i m
wants people to come to (and why he won't replace the link that serves
his purposes with one that doesn't). He has to spread lies and
irrelevancies (especially in a *Ubuntu* n/g)

/an/ Ubuntu...

Post by T i m
in an effort to 'promote'
both his cause and Linux (and failing because everyone can see
straight through him). He doesn't realise that of course because he is
old and out of touch.

The article is 100% true. It only holds what I thought you'd recognize
from close association: weasel words. Opinions easily shed.

Post by T i m
<http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/international-space-station-ditches-windows-for-linux/>
Now, I appreciate this will be taking you into new / uncharted
territory but give it a go and please sit on your hands before trying
to make up some BS reply and making yourself look silly. ;-)

Here, does this make me look silly? I think that, just like the people
who complained about the tone of the article, you can't get the actual
meaning of words to stick together in your mind long enough to make
coherent and cogent ideas form and so fall back on some esoteric
'spirit' of words which may have any random meaning to suit whatever it
is that suits your own fantasy at the time.

There, isn't that silly?

Post by T i m
Cheers, T i m
p.s. I'll be happy to help you understand it if you get stuck and drop
all the 'front'.

Oh, believe me, I understand you all too well.

Cybe R. Wizard

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:17:35 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
You're right about one thing; it's not my fault. Instead it is my
advantage that I can read words and grasp the ideas and intent behind
them without resorting to any mystical 'spirit' thing except for the
meanings of the words. That you fail to see that is just added
advantage to me.

"Inquiring minds want to know..." :-)

[T i m]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:17:35 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:28:52 +0000

Post by T i m
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:58:32 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.
<snip>
I'll bother to reply to you in the hope I might get though and you
might learn something about real comprehension.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Of course, you missed the mark with your snark just as usual.
Nowhere did he state or imply that it has gone /all/ Linux.

Point 1. Nowhere did I say *HE* said anything specific. People can say
things without saying them themselves.

The fairies are talking to you now?

Post by T i m

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
You dug that out
of your own diseased mind. You jumped too quickly without any
reading comprehension and failed once again.

This is the problem that can occur when you can only work at a binary
/ literal level. It's not your fault, it's what you are, you can't
help it.

You're right about one thing; it's not my fault. Instead it is my
advantage that I can read words and grasp the ideas and intent behind
them without resorting to any mystical 'spirit' thing except for the
meanings of the words. That you fail to see that is just added
advantage to me.

Post by T i m

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Naturally, both you and the other troll snipped that part as I had
already outed you on it.

BS.
Right, (1) go to the out_of_date and technically incorrect link that
the old dinosaur puts in his overlong footer and (2) read for the
'spirit' (for a change).
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o
To do that you first have to read the actual words

"As far as we know, after this transition, there won’t be a single
computer aboard the ISS that runs Windows."? Are those t he words you
mean?
I don't know about you (and ain't that the truth?),

Big time ...

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
but I see that as
weasel-worded opinion at best.

Quite possibly.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
He never did state, /EVER/, that Linux
was replacing Winduhs anywhere. He stated that, /as far as he knows/,
something somewhat like that might or might not be happening.

Quite, however, how many people reading that would come to that
conclusion? Now, I don't expect an honest answer to that because you
are the king of weasels but have a go at being 'normal' for just once.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Nor would I expect a tech writer for an online magazine to hold privy
information.

Irrelevant. The point was that old dinosaur Poser cited that
information in his footer to try to further his cause. It was
technically incorrect and he has been provided with the updated one
that he *chooses* not to use. Why?

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
If you, though, wish to 'further your cause' by
continuing to harp on what is not only old 'news' but not really news
at all, but opinion (as that's what Anthony writes), then by all
means go right on embarrassing yourself.

Whoosh. It's not all about me or any cause (as I have none), it's all
about some old man posting overlong footers that are technically
incorrect and in the most case (in a Ubuntu newsgroup), irrelevant.
You are welcome (as always) to say nothing.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard

Post by T i m
and then (and this
*will* be the tricky bit for you) try to get a feel of the intention
of those words, what do they leave you feeling (re how many machines
will be left running Windows etc).

I was left with a feeling, quite well backed up by the facts and the
tone of the article, that Mr. Anthony wanted something to be true which
wasn't necessarily nor yet.

BS.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
I saw immediately that he was only wishing
and hoping.

Yeah, *you* did because you are unable to see things as others see
them (plus a large dose of weaseling).

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Is that what you mean by, "spirit'?

Nearly. Except (of course) *you* would come to a different concussion
to most others.

"International Space Station switches from Windows to Linux, for
improved reliability"

"As far as we know, after this transition, there won’t be a single
computer aboard the ISS that runs Windows."

"Switching to Linux will essentially immunize the ISS against future
infections."

No mention of 'some' or 'partial', words indicating to the reader
that it wasn't 'all' (and of course exactly why the old dinosaur
included it in his overlong footer).

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
I also saw that he
was likely going to have to print an update or retraction when the
groundswell of irate low-comprehension people (just like you!) started
howling that It Just Isn't True. (even though it is)

It isn't true and do you think the update was posted because any
ordinary reader suggested it? You are even more arrogant and weaseling
that I ever imagined (and where you are concerned I imagined a lot).

Post by Cybe R. Wizard

Post by T i m
See, it's not all to do with what people do or don't say explicitly
but can also be what isn't said, what one might be allowed to read
between the lines.

What between the lines? He said a thing was true as far as he knew.

Quite, several times.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
That he didn't know far was kind of implicit in the article and its
source.

What?

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Or maybe you actually place credence in web articles by opinion writers.

It's not what I think that is in question. I didn't comment on or post
the correction to the BS in the article.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Nice. You'll go far in this world.

Irrelevant, but nice distraction attempt.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard

Post by T i m
So, because what I have explained above *is* what normal people do,

Check, normal people mis-read articles, place too much credence in
a single person's opinions just because some online magazine lets them
publish on their site, believe what the article's author hopes and then
get pissed when it isn't strictly true. Got all that.

Whoosh. Bringing you back to the point (sorry to have to keep doing
that) so you think it's reasonable that the old dinosaur repeatedly
posts a link evangelising Linux over Windows that is technically
incorrect when the technical correction article is easily available?
No, don't answer that because I know you will just BS by way of reply.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Go figure.

Post by T i m
they posted a correction to the first link explaining the truth
*because* people *will* read the first link and come to the very
conclusion I suggested,

Yep, the wrong one. Like I said, it figures.

Yup, and exactly what happens when you are trying to spread lies to
further your crusade.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard

Post by T i m
the conclusion the old dinosaur Troll poser

Heh
<AOL voice>
ASL?
</AOL voice>

Post by T i m
wants people to come to (and why he won't replace the link that serves
his purposes with one that doesn't). He has to spread lies and
irrelevancies (especially in a *Ubuntu* n/g)

/an/ Ubuntu...

Post by T i m
in an effort to 'promote'
both his cause and Linux (and failing because everyone can see
straight through him). He doesn't realise that of course because he is
old and out of touch.

The article is 100% true. It only holds what I thought you'd recognize
from close association: weasel words. Opinions easily shed.

Again, the article *isn't* 100% true (as in how 'most people' *will*
interpret it) or they wouldn't have published an update to correct it
eh.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard

Post by T i m
<http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/international-space-station-ditches-windows-for-linux/>
Now, I appreciate this will be taking you into new / uncharted
territory but give it a go and please sit on your hands before trying
to make up some BS reply and making yourself look silly. ;-)

Here, does this make me look silly?

Yup, fraid so, but completely expected (from you and 'these days').

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
I think that, just like the people
who complained about the tone of the article, you can't get the actual
meaning of words to stick together in your mind long enough to make
coherent and cogent ideas form and so fall back on some esoteric
'spirit' of words which may have any random meaning to suit whatever it
is that suits your own fantasy at the time.

BS.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
There, isn't that silly?

I know what is silly here.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard

Post by T i m
Cheers, T i m
p.s. I'll be happy to help you understand it if you get stuck and drop
all the 'front'.

Oh, believe me, I understand you all too well.

Again, nothing to do with me but understanding how the real world
works, a world I know you are glad not to be part of.

Mind you don't slip off that ivory tower of yours ...

Cheers, T i m

p.s. You are back to BS'ing to yourself now ...

[William Poaster]

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:29:40 +0000

<snip more Dimtroll drivel>

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Of course, you missed the mark with your snark just as usual. Nowhere
did he state or imply that it has gone /all/ Linux. You dug that out
of your own diseased mind. You jumped too quickly without any reading
comprehension and failed once again.

Yup. The Dimtroll planted both feet firmly in its wide open mouth.
What a mar00n.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Naturally, both you and the other troll snipped that part as I had
already outed you on it.
Cybe R. Wizard

--
We are Micro$oft of Borg. You may already be assimilated.

Linux is the scientific community’s operating system of choice.
CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

[Wildman]

Post by William Poaster
What a mar00n.

I love Daffy Duck.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
Exactly,

Exactly wrong, you stupid POS.

Post by T i m
which is why it's just empty noise *here* and why I
highlighted such.

You highlighted nothing except for your own abject stupidity.

Post by T i m
It whooshed the normal suspects of course, probably
because they are too clever for this world. ;-)

That is what YOUR problem is, dropout boy!

Post by T i m
Oh, and apparently you can post an out_of_date and technically
incorrect ink in your overlong footer and that is ok, as long as it
appears to promote Linux and better, denigrate anything else.

You're an idiot.

Criticizing someone's sig?

You are a real Usenet loser, boy.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic
I wonder if these impressive sounding Linux users are actually using
a distro such as us mortal desktop users are?

You're are an idiot. THAT is ALL that IS available to use, dumbshit.

SO YEAH, they ARE using the same things we use.

Can you really be that fucking stupid?

Many companies "create" their own, in house approved version, and
'users' install that.

Post by mechanic
What version of
Ubuntu/Mint would they use and how often would they update?

Windows mentality RETARD!

You DL and USE a STABLE release. There is no need to update.

Remember? Only Windows has viral susceptibility.

We do not need to update anything. If it ain't broke... no need to
'fix' it. You ain't real bright.

Post by mechanic
I
suspect they might run something like Red-Hat enterprise edition

Most do run Fedora or a Red Hat release. Doesn't need to be
"enterprise edition". That is on their hardware, like gateways and
such.

As a desktop or remote access portal, you will find your Mint and you
Ubuntus.

Post by mechanic
with local modifications by their well-paid geeks.

You and the timmytard and calling folks geeks. And you wonder why
some think that you getting your ass kicked would be a good thing.

MAYBE... ONLY if your face was rubbed in the shit you spew, so MAYBE
you would get what it is you are doing that is so stupid.

Post by mechanic
And as such of
little interest to us domestic users.

You are not a "domestic user". You are a piss and moan bitch of a
LOSER user, at best.

Post by mechanic
They won't see the bugs that
plague normal users with their wifi setup

Folks in companies use wifi to get access to, idiot. Stop making
retarded assumption, you retarded assumption dumbfuck.

Post by mechanic
or their new video card or
printer that doesn't quite work as advertised.

You are a true idiot.

[mechanic]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:45:19 -0800, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by mechanic
I wonder if these impressive sounding Linux users are actually using
a distro such as us mortal desktop users are?

[snip DLUNU's drivel response]

It was a serious question and I was hoping someone who actually knew
what they were talking about might respond, instead DLUNU comes back
with the usual stream of rude irrelevant tripe. If he actually had
held down a real job (above the level of toilet attendant, where he
seems to get his ideas from) in a big enterprise like a bank, he
might have supplied some interesting statistics on the networking
and systems involved. No-one else responded either which rather
confirms my impression that no serious system admins post on here,
mostly only wannabies and retirees with little real enterprise
experience. Shame. No insult to the small network operators and
single users and contractors who do post on here. of course.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic
It was a serious question and I was hoping someone who actually knew
what they were talking about might respond,

I work for the gov.

We use Linux the way I iterated it.

So do the others.

YOU are a complete moron. And a Mar00n!

A 'special Linux'... Yeah... *YOU* need a special Linux.

They need a distro for you called TRLinux. Or LFR.

Total Retard Linux, or Linux For Retards.

You gotz problems, child.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic
If he actually had
held down a real job (above the level of toilet attendant,

And you wonder why nobody wants to give you any serious credence.

You get none. You have none.

Good job, loser.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic
No-one else responded either which rather
confirms my impression that no serious system admins post on here,
mostly only wannabies and retirees with little real enterprise
experience. Shame. No insult to the small network operators and
single users and contractors who do post on here. of course.

"no serious system admins"

You are such a loser.

My iPad has a weather app on it.

In that app I have some 20 Plus cities spamming four continents added,
and each one has one of my gateways in it. I do not need to be one of
the dorks that operate it. I designed and built the damned thing.
Miles above the simple tech who ADDs a moniker to his name placard
simply because he is the only one ever there.

Yeah... he's a "sys admin". You're a fucking loon.

Why are they buying new gear? Because all the Euro guys and other
nations who want to upgrade what they have, are buying our cutting edge
gear for their upgrades. We are the best.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:50:16 -0800, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
My iPad has a weather app on it.
In that app I have some 20 Plus cities spamming four continents added,

Spanning four continents.

But retarded troll dorks like mechanic will jump on this, I am sure.

It is kinda funny, considering that exactly the opposite of 'spamming'
is what we do.

[William Poaster]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by mechanic
No-one else responded either which rather
confirms my impression that no serious system admins post on here,
mostly only wannabies and retirees with little real enterprise
experience. Shame. No insult to the small network operators and
single users and contractors who do post on here. of course.

"no serious system admins"
You are such a loser.

The dimwit hasn't taken into account that any "serious system admins" have
probably binned the fuckwitted troll ages ago.

<snip>
--
A Windows user spends 1/3 of his life sleeping, 1/3 working, 1/3
waiting.

Linux is the scientific community’s operating system of choice.
CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by William Poaster
The dimwit hasn't taken into account that any "serious system admins" have
probably binned the fuckwitted troll ages ago.

This newsgroup is on its way to being overrun, like COLA.
1/3 of the posts binned today.
--
You go down to the pickup station,
craving warmth and beauty;
You settle for less than fascination --
a few drinks later you're not so choosy.
And the closing lights strip off the shadows
on this strange new flesh you've found --
Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf
you hurry to the blackness
and the blankets to lay down an impression
and your loneliness.
-- Joni Mitchell

[Aragorn]

On Wednesday 27 November 2013 14:16, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...

Post by Chris Ahlstrom

Post by William Poaster
The dimwit hasn't taken into account that any "serious system admins"
have probably binned the fuckwitted troll ages ago.

This newsgroup is on its way to being overrun, like COLA.
1/3 of the posts binned today.

Tell us something new, Chris. :pp

(Yes, MickeySoft /is/ getting _very_ desperate. ;-))

[Silver Slimer]

Post by mechanic
It was a serious question and I was hoping someone who actually knew
what they were talking about might respond, instead DLUNU comes back
with the usual stream of rude irrelevant tripe. If he actually had
held down a real job (above the level of toilet attendant, where he
seems to get his ideas from) in a big enterprise like a bank, he
might have supplied some interesting statistics on the networking
and systems involved. No-one else responded either which rather
confirms my impression that no serious system admins post on here,
mostly only wannabies and retirees with little real enterprise
experience. Shame. No insult to the small network operators and
single users and contractors who do post on here. of course.

With that in mind, is there any reason not to filter out his name from
Usenet posts? He brings absolutely nothing of worth to the table.

SS

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by Silver Slimer

Post by mechanic
It was a serious question and I was hoping someone who actually knew
what they were talking about might respond, instead DLUNU comes back
with the usual stream of rude irrelevant tripe. If he actually had
held down a real job (above the level of toilet attendant, where he
seems to get his ideas from) in a big enterprise like a bank, he
might have supplied some interesting statistics on the networking
and systems involved. No-one else responded either which rather
confirms my impression that no serious system admins post on here,
mostly only wannabies and retirees with little real enterprise
experience. Shame. No insult to the small network operators and
single users and contractors who do post on here. of course.

With that in mind, is there any reason not to filter out his name from
Usenet posts? He brings absolutely nothing of worth to the table.
SS

Sure. And both of these pathetic posts were fact filled and
educational to the folks stopping by to read the group.

Sure.

mechanic is a stupid twit, and the slimer is... well.... slime.

You both add exactly zero valid content to the group.

[mechanic]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:12:55 -0800, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You both add exactly zero valid content to the group.

I see you posted five or was it six replies to my post, none of
which addressed my question. I still have this mental image of some
CEO of a big corporation walking in one day with a CD from the front
of a mag he saw at the news-stand, and saying "Hey, let's change to
this Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora stuff, it's free to install and seems to be
a better solution than MS-Windows for our databases/comms/data
traffic!" Someone tell me it's not so...

No I guess the systems installed by the banks/local
authorities/government agencies bear little relation to the systems
in use by us home/small network users. I doubt they're free either.
How much does a thousand seat Solaris supply and maintain contract
set them back?

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You both add exactly zero valid content to the group.

I see you posted five or was it six replies to my post,

And you jacking off at the mouth about that element is about as
retarded as it gets, dipshit.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
You on the other hand are all about YOU, what YOU want and what works
for YOU.
I don't think I've met anyone as selfish as you (and I've met Ceed!
<electronically>). ;-)

You wouldn't know what a red ochre corridor was if one bit you in the
ass... too late.

We heed our callers...

You, on the other hand...

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
Tried it just now, clicking on the 'Windows network' Icon eventually
opens the networks and shows me the two workgroups. Clicking on either
eventually returns

And BOTH cases are XP 'eventually' authenticating the requestor, and
'eventually' servicing the requests.

You may, one day "eventually get it".

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
"Unable to mount location, Failed to retrieve share list from server.
Connection timed out"

Guess what "server" is being referred to, idiot?

When XP has a share available, it ACTS as a 'server'
to those wishing access to its shares.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
p.s. I still want to move the files off the (that) Ubuntu box and I
still can't do it over the network. Maybe I'll see if I can do it via
a USB dongle or put them on DVD. How quaint! ;-)

It is NOT a post script, idiot!

Your XP settings are what are keeping out the Linux requestors.

Do you have your "Windows Workgroup" set up correctly?

Oh and how did such a self professed sophisticate not set up a
household NAS yet?

[Wildman]

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine including
internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions from
the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either windows
machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of Windows, all are
accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?
Thanks
Ernie.

What versions of Windows are you using. The older versions
will not play with linux.

[Mike Easter]

Post by Wildman

Post by Ernie
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.

What versions of Windows are you using. The older versions
will not play with linux.

What!?

(I look forward to opportunities to use an interrobang, even if it is
just an ascii interpretation. To me, the advantages of 'ascii-ization'
of the interrobang are that one can have a variety of them with nuances
which a simple interrobang cannot convey, such as the difference between
?! and !? or ?!? vs !?! etc.)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang

http://fontfeed.com/archives/the-interrobang-and-national-punctuation-day/
National Punctuation Day Reignites Interrobang Passion

http://www.interrobang-mks.com/ The INTERROBANG: A twentieth century
punctuation mark.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by Wildman
What versions of Windows are you using. The older versions
will not play with linux.

Not in my experience...there was an issue with Vista when MS made some
changes to authentication, but Linux to Windows works better than
Windows to Windows where different versions are involved. Case in point:
WinXP with Vista+

[Wildman]

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by Wildman
What versions of Windows are you using. The older versions
will not play with linux.

Not in my experience...there was an issue with Vista when MS made some
changes to authentication, but Linux to Windows works better than
WinXP with Vista+

After some thought, I think I spoke too quick. I was
having a flash back with win98. It would work one
way but not the other. Can't remember which. Likely
the OP is not using 98.

[Mike Easter]

I was having a flash back

Sometimes I hate it when that happens...

... sometimes, not so much :-)

[Rhett Lavallee]

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Not in my experience...there was an issue with Vista when MS made some
changes to authentication, but Linux to Windows works better than
WinXP with Vista+

After some thought, I think I spoke too quick. I was having a flash
back with win98. It would work one way but not the other. Can't
remember which. Likely the OP is not using 98.

Say no more, Win98 worked the best, 95, NT as well, both directions.

[Dirk T. Verbeek]

Post by Wildman

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine including
internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions from
the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either windows
machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of Windows, all are
accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?
Thanks
Ernie.

What versions of Windows are you using. The older versions
will not play with linux.

You need to install Winsock because NetBIOS is insufficient :)

[crankypuss]

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine including
internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions from
the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either windows
machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of Windows, all are
accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?
Thanks
Ernie.

What are the linux filesystems you're trying to share with Windows?
It's been a while since I had a Windows to play with, but as I recall it
won't recognize ext2, ext3, ext4 or whatever, it only knows NTFS, FAT32,
etc.

[Aragorn]

On Tuesday 19 November 2013 10:14, crankypuss conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.ubuntu...

Post by crankypuss

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine
including internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-

and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/

Post by crankypuss

Post by Ernie
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions
from the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either
windows machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of
Windows, all are accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the
network. I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but
it isnt. I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to
windows and vice versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?

What are the linux filesystems you're trying to share with Windows?
It's been a while since I had a Windows to play with, but as I recall
it won't recognize ext2, ext3, ext4 or whatever, it only knows NTFS,
FAT32, etc.

The underlying, physical filesystem type on the GNU/Linux (or other
UNIX) system is irrelevant to networked filesystem sharing protocols
such as NFS or Samba.

[crankypuss]

Post by Aragorn
On Tuesday 19 November 2013 10:14, crankypuss conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.ubuntu...

Post by crankypuss

Post by Ernie
I have installed Ubuntu on an obsolete laptop. All works fine
including internet access.
Next I want to integrate the Ubuntu machine with the windows network
(WORKGROUP)
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/share-files-between-windows-7-

and-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal/

Post by crankypuss

Post by Ernie
I installed SAMBA and configured in accordance with the instructions
from the above URL.
Also allowed a few directories like documents for sharing using Nautilus.
After restarting both PC's I can easily move from Ubuntu to either
windows machine (I have three PC's, with different versions of
Windows, all are accessible).
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the
network. I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but
it isnt. I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to
windows and vice versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?

What are the linux filesystems you're trying to share with Windows?
It's been a while since I had a Windows to play with, but as I recall
it won't recognize ext2, ext3, ext4 or whatever, it only knows NTFS,
FAT32, etc.

The underlying, physical filesystem type on the GNU/Linux (or other
UNIX) system is irrelevant to networked filesystem sharing protocols
such as NFS or Samba.

Well then that isn't the problem, ay? <g>

[mechanic]

Post by crankypuss

Post by Aragorn
The underlying, physical filesystem type on the GNU/Linux (or
other UNIX) system is irrelevant to networked filesystem sharing
protocols such as NFS or Samba.

Well then that isn't the problem, ay? <g>

<snigger> Lot of peeps on here apparently commenting on issues they
don't fully understand! HINT ask questions before offering advice!

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic

Post by crankypuss

Post by Aragorn
The underlying, physical filesystem type on the GNU/Linux (or
other UNIX) system is irrelevant to networked filesystem sharing
protocols such as NFS or Samba.

Well then that isn't the problem, ay? <g>

<snigger> Lot of peeps on here apparently commenting on issues they
don't fully understand! HINT ask questions before offering advice!

As if you, an idiot who cannot even understand operating systems,
could ever understand file systems or file sharing networking
applications.

You do not have the aptitude for it, JACKASS!

[JEDIDIAH]

[deletia]

Post by crankypuss

Post by Ernie
However, I cant see the SAMBA network from the Windows part of the network.
I understand that SAMBA shoud be visible in my WORKGROUP but it isnt.
I can ping any machine using it's IP address from Ubuntu to windows and vice
versa.
Turning the FW on/off doesnt make any difference.
What's to be done next?
Thanks
Ernie.

What are the linux filesystems you're trying to share with Windows?
It's been a while since I had a Windows to play with, but as I recall it
won't recognize ext2, ext3, ext4 or whatever, it only knows NTFS, FAT32,
etc.

Clearly you've never touched Samba ever. Be quiet.

Perhaps the OP should share one of his configs for what filesystems he's
trying to share, or even his entire configuration.

--

[Jonathan N. Little]

Post by JEDIDIAH
Perhaps the OP should share one of his configs for what filesystems he's
trying to share, or even his entire configuration.

Been asked, but it seems to be a standard DBP (Drive By Posting).