[Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


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[eric pinto]

? ? ? ? ? ?The 'kurru' appeared in Akkad in a system that was refined?
later by Naram Sin. ?It was volume based, around sixty liters.
? ? ? ? ? ?Both Mesopotamia and Persia lay claim to the distance measure,
'farsang,' ?the length a person could walk in a day, about five miles.
I see a connection with 'forsonne' of our own Sarswat Prakrit. ? ? eric.


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Subject: [Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi


Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


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[didier de Melo]

From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:44:50 +0530






From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
To: reply.goanet.news at gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:51:24 +0530




I do remember this measurements in portuguese
1Cumbo =20 candis
1Candil=20 cur?s
1Cur?=2 pailis or 8 measurements
1measurement or P?dd=2 nactti?s or 4 ordnatte?s or 8 guinatte?s
1 Guinatti =2 sollanvins.
We should not discard this old measurements used in Goa specially the land measurements.
When you get the old documents from the archives specially agricultural land, this measurements were
used only in Goa.
They used to measure in Bamboos
For Palmgroove 1 bamb?=18 hands (m?os)=7,92m
Paddy field 1 bamb?=12 hands =5,28m
Arecanut 1 bamb?=8 hands =2,64m
When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo

> From: fredericknoronha at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:22:30 +0530
> To: gn-news at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
>
> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
> really appreciate your inputs:
>
> A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
> connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
> in the field.
>
> The conversion is as below:
>
> Two pileo = One kudov
> 20 kudov = 1 khandi
>
> Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
> because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
> kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
> each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.
>
> So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
> that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
> the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
> yield)!
>
> If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
> 20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.
>
> While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
> to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
> would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
> or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
> explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
> by, online. FN
>
> PS: Pls send your comments to goanet at goanet.org

[didier de Melo]

From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:44:50 +0530






From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
To: reply.goanet.news at gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:51:24 +0530




I do remember this measurements in portuguese
1Cumbo =20 candis
1Candil=20 cur?s
1Cur?=2 pailis or 8 measurements
1measurement or P?dd=2 nactti?s or 4 ordnatte?s or 8 guinatte?s
1 Guinatti =2 sollanvins.
We should not discard this old measurements used in Goa specially the land measurements.
When you get the old documents from the archives specially agricultural land, this measurements were
used only in Goa.
They used to measure in Bamboos
For Palmgroove 1 bamb?=18 hands (m?os)=7,92m
Paddy field 1 bamb?=12 hands =5,28m
Arecanut 1 bamb?=8 hands =2,64m
When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo

> From: fredericknoronha at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:22:30 +0530
> To: gn-news at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
>
> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
> really appreciate your inputs:
>
> A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
> connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
> in the field.
>
> The conversion is as below:
>
> Two pileo = One kudov
> 20 kudov = 1 khandi
>
> Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
> because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
> kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
> each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.
>
> So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
> that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
> the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
> yield)!
>
> If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
> 20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.
>
> While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
> to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
> would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
> or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
> explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
> by, online. FN
>
> PS: Pls send your comments to goanet at goanet.org

[didier de Melo]

From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:44:50 +0530






From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
To: reply.goanet.news at gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:51:24 +0530




I do remember this measurements in portuguese
1Cumbo =20 candis
1Candil=20 cur?s
1Cur?=2 pailis or 8 measurements
1measurement or P?dd=2 nactti?s or 4 ordnatte?s or 8 guinatte?s
1 Guinatti =2 sollanvins.
We should not discard this old measurements used in Goa specially the land measurements.
When you get the old documents from the archives specially agricultural land, this measurements were
used only in Goa.
They used to measure in Bamboos
For Palmgroove 1 bamb?=18 hands (m?os)=7,92m
Paddy field 1 bamb?=12 hands =5,28m
Arecanut 1 bamb?=8 hands =2,64m
When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo

> From: fredericknoronha at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:22:30 +0530
> To: gn-news at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
>
> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
> really appreciate your inputs:
>
> A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
> connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
> in the field.
>
> The conversion is as below:
>
> Two pileo = One kudov
> 20 kudov = 1 khandi
>
> Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
> because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
> kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
> each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.
>
> So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
> that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
> the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
> yield)!
>
> If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
> 20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.
>
> While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
> to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
> would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
> or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
> explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
> by, online. FN
>
> PS: Pls send your comments to goanet at goanet.org

[didier de Melo]

From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:44:50 +0530






From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
To: reply.goanet.news at gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:51:24 +0530




I do remember this measurements in portuguese
1Cumbo =20 candis
1Candil=20 cur?s
1Cur?=2 pailis or 8 measurements
1measurement or P?dd=2 nactti?s or 4 ordnatte?s or 8 guinatte?s
1 Guinatti =2 sollanvins.
We should not discard this old measurements used in Goa specially the land measurements.
When you get the old documents from the archives specially agricultural land, this measurements were
used only in Goa.
They used to measure in Bamboos
For Palmgroove 1 bamb?=18 hands (m?os)=7,92m
Paddy field 1 bamb?=12 hands =5,28m
Arecanut 1 bamb?=8 hands =2,64m
When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo

> From: fredericknoronha at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:22:30 +0530
> To: gn-news at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
>
> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
> really appreciate your inputs:
>
> A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
> connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
> in the field.
>
> The conversion is as below:
>
> Two pileo = One kudov
> 20 kudov = 1 khandi
>
> Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
> because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
> kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
> each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.
>
> So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
> that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
> the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
> yield)!
>
> If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
> 20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.
>
> While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
> to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
> would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
> or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
> explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
> by, online. FN
>
> PS: Pls send your comments to goanet at goanet.org

[didier de Melo]

From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:44:50 +0530






From: didierdemelo at hotmail.com
To: reply.goanet.news at gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:51:24 +0530




I do remember this measurements in portuguese
1Cumbo =20 candis
1Candil=20 cur?s
1Cur?=2 pailis or 8 measurements
1measurement or P?dd=2 nactti?s or 4 ordnatte?s or 8 guinatte?s
1 Guinatti =2 sollanvins.
We should not discard this old measurements used in Goa specially the land measurements.
When you get the old documents from the archives specially agricultural land, this measurements were
used only in Goa.
They used to measure in Bamboos
For Palmgroove 1 bamb?=18 hands (m?os)=7,92m
Paddy field 1 bamb?=12 hands =5,28m
Arecanut 1 bamb?=8 hands =2,64m
When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo

> From: fredericknoronha at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:22:30 +0530
> To: gn-news at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet-News] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
>
> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
> really appreciate your inputs:
>
> A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
> connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
> in the field.
>
> The conversion is as below:
>
> Two pileo = One kudov
> 20 kudov = 1 khandi
>
> Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
> because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
> kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
> each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.
>
> So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
> that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
> the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
> yield)!
>
> If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
> 20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.
>
> While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
> to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
> would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
> or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
> explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
> by, online. FN
>
> PS: Pls send your comments to goanet at goanet.org

[P. Soprey]

Pileo. In Cuncolim, Salcete area around 1960 I was a farmhand and we called
Paileo.


P. Soprey
sopreyp at yahoo.com



On Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:01 PM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

[Wendell Rodricks]

If I am not wrong there is a similar system in Punjab. But on a larger
scale.
I heard them talk about this three weeks ago in Chandigarh

W

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Off tel: [phone], Shop tel: [phone]
Off email: rns.wendell at gmail.com


On 25-Oct-2013, at 12:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details.
> Would
> really appreciate your inputs:

[Sachin Tendulkar]

Dear Fredrick,
There is also concept of "Man" which is approximately 15 kg for dehusked
Arecanut. I came across all these concepts often while talking to farmers. I
would also request you to spread a word about Paddy farming through SRI
method.

Regards,
Sachin
tendulkar1970 at gmail.com


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone from !DEA


-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick FN Noronha
Subject: Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

[JoeGoaUk]

corrected link
?
Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/
Those days, wedding decorated cakes were of 4-5 layers
usually dressed in white crape paper. Bottom layer, the largest, was usually a fake one. Used one of the ?Pail? see abv fig 1stfrom first row.
When the time comes to cut the cake, I saw bridal couple
often attempting to poke the bottom layer not knowing it a fake wooden one.
?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

?others
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk56/7707032948/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk27/4746475517/

Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[eric pinto]

? ? ? Babylon's ?'kurro' to our kullov/kuddov, and I assumed it was?
Gabe's friends in HongKong who wrestled with 'flied lice.'
? ? ?Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
? ? Merwyn's foxes treated themselves to a couple every week, sliding into
town down his grandmother's Siolim hill slope.
? ? Missed Jim at a recent mountain-top picnic: he could have skinned a?
pretty red fox, done in by a car on the Montreal freeway. He does broil
Canadians ! ? Don't tell him I went pomfret fishing for junior. ? ? eric.


________________________________


?
Old-style measurements... , kudov, ? khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/

?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

[eric pinto]

I recall sacks on three bullock-carts. They filled a structure that was?
known as a 'gottho,' ?which was rebuilt as a guest residence, this year. ??
? ? ?Trippers welcome. ? ?Eric.


________________________________




90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per
khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

On 26 October 2013 00:37, eric pinto <ericpinto2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
> to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
>


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_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 ]... _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up................ _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined........._/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry). _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[eric pinto]

I recall sacks on three bullock-carts. They filled a structure that was?
known as a 'gottho,' ?which was rebuilt as a guest residence, this year. ??
? ? ?Trippers welcome. ? ?Eric.


________________________________




90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

[eric pinto]

I recall sacks on three bullock-carts. They filled a structure that was?
known as a 'gottho,' ?which was rebuilt as a guest residence, this year. ??
? ? ?Trippers welcome. ? ?Eric.


________________________________




90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

[eric pinto]

I recall sacks on three bullock-carts. They filled a structure that was?
known as a 'gottho,' ?which was rebuilt as a guest residence, this year. ??
? ? ?Trippers welcome. ? ?Eric.


________________________________




90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

[eric pinto]

I recall sacks on three bullock-carts. They filled a structure that was?
known as a 'gottho,' ?which was rebuilt as a guest residence, this year. ??
? ? ?Trippers welcome. ? ?Eric.


________________________________




90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per
khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

On 26 October 2013 00:37, eric pinto <ericpinto2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
> to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
>


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436.............. _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 ]... _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up................ _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined........._/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry). _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per
khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

On 26 October 2013 00:37, eric pinto <ericpinto2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
> to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
>


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436.............. _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 ]... _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up................ _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined........._/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry). _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per
khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

On 26 October 2013 00:37, eric pinto <ericpinto2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
> to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
>


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436.............. _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 ]... _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up................ _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined........._/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry). _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

90 khandis, by my friend's count, would be 9000 kgs (at 90-100 kgs per
khandi). Is he wrong? Or a mixup here? FN

On 26 October 2013 00:37, eric pinto <ericpinto2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
> to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
>


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436.............. _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 ]... _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up................ _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined........._/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry). _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? Babylon's ?'kurro' to our kullov/kuddov, and I assumed it was?
Gabe's friends in HongKong who wrestled with 'flied lice.'
? ? ?Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
? ? Merwyn's foxes treated themselves to a couple every week, sliding into
town down his grandmother's Siolim hill slope.
? ? Missed Jim at a recent mountain-top picnic: he could have skinned a?
pretty red fox, done in by a car on the Montreal freeway. He does broil
Canadians ! ? Don't tell him I went pomfret fishing for junior. ? ? eric.


________________________________


?
Old-style measurements... , kudov, ? khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/

?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? Babylon's ?'kurro' to our kullov/kuddov, and I assumed it was?
Gabe's friends in HongKong who wrestled with 'flied lice.'
? ? ?Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
? ? Merwyn's foxes treated themselves to a couple every week, sliding into
town down his grandmother's Siolim hill slope.
? ? Missed Jim at a recent mountain-top picnic: he could have skinned a?
pretty red fox, done in by a car on the Montreal freeway. He does broil
Canadians ! ? Don't tell him I went pomfret fishing for junior. ? ? eric.


________________________________


?
Old-style measurements... , kudov, ? khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/

?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? Babylon's ?'kurro' to our kullov/kuddov, and I assumed it was?
Gabe's friends in HongKong who wrestled with 'flied lice.'
? ? ?Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
? ? Merwyn's foxes treated themselves to a couple every week, sliding into
town down his grandmother's Siolim hill slope.
? ? Missed Jim at a recent mountain-top picnic: he could have skinned a?
pretty red fox, done in by a car on the Montreal freeway. He does broil
Canadians ! ? Don't tell him I went pomfret fishing for junior. ? ? eric.


________________________________


?
Old-style measurements... , kudov, ? khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/

?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? Babylon's ?'kurro' to our kullov/kuddov, and I assumed it was?
Gabe's friends in HongKong who wrestled with 'flied lice.'
? ? ?Ninty khandis of paddy were delivered from Mayem every winter,
to become free picking for a hundred and fifty odd chickens.
? ? Merwyn's foxes treated themselves to a couple every week, sliding into
town down his grandmother's Siolim hill slope.
? ? Missed Jim at a recent mountain-top picnic: he could have skinned a?
pretty red fox, done in by a car on the Montreal freeway. He does broil
Canadians ! ? Don't tell him I went pomfret fishing for junior. ? ? eric.


________________________________


?
Old-style measurements... , kudov, ? khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/

?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

[Sebastian Borges]

Perhaps ditto means exactly the same as it does in English. Didier could please try this out. Else, one entire para from his document containing the word could be posted here. I am sure some goanetter would be able to decipher it.

Sebastian Borges

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 didier de Melo <didierdemelo at hotmail.com> wrote:


When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.?
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo


......................
Sebastian Borges

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436 _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2] _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined _/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry) _/
_/
_/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? ? ? ?The 'kurru' appeared in Akkad in a system that was refined?
later by Naram Sin. ?It was volume based, around sixty liters.
? ? ? ? ? ?Both Mesopotamia and Persia lay claim to the distance measure,
'farsang,' ?the length a person could walk in a day, about five miles.
I see a connection with 'forsonne' of our own Sarswat Prakrit. ? ? eric.


________________________________
From: Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi


Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? FN? P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2]? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/gfai-cover ? | Goa Found & Imagined? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/MR-cover ? | Mirrored Reflections(poetry)? ? _/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[P. Soprey]

Pileo. In Cuncolim, Salcete area around 1960 I was a farmhand and we called
Paileo.


P. Soprey
sopreyp at yahoo.com



On Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:01 PM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

[Wendell Rodricks]

If I am not wrong there is a similar system in Punjab. But on a larger
scale.
I heard them talk about this three weeks ago in Chandigarh

W

Sent from my iPad
Wendell Rodricks, Campal, Panjim. GOA 403001. INDIA
Off tel: [phone], Shop tel: [phone]
Off email: rns.wendell at gmail.com


On 25-Oct-2013, at 12:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details.
> Would
> really appreciate your inputs:

[Sachin Tendulkar]

Dear Fredrick,
There is also concept of "Man" which is approximately 15 kg for dehusked
Arecanut. I came across all these concepts often while talking to farmers. I
would also request you to spread a word about Paddy farming through SRI
method.

Regards,
Sachin
tendulkar1970 at gmail.com


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone from !DEA


-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick FN Noronha
Subject: Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

[JoeGoaUk]

corrected link
?
Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/
Those days, wedding decorated cakes were of 4-5 layers
usually dressed in white crape paper. Bottom layer, the largest, was usually a fake one. Used one of the ?Pail? see abv fig 1stfrom first row.
When the time comes to cut the cake, I saw bridal couple
often attempting to poke the bottom layer not knowing it a fake wooden one.
?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

?others
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk56/7707032948/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk27/4746475517/

Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Sebastian Borges]

Perhaps ditto means exactly the same as it does in English. Didier could please try this out. Else, one entire para from his document containing the word could be posted here. I am sure some goanetter would be able to decipher it.

Sebastian Borges

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 didier de Melo <didierdemelo at hotmail.com> wrote:


When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.?
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo


......................
Sebastian Borges

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436 _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2] _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined _/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry) _/
_/
_/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? ? ? ?The 'kurru' appeared in Akkad in a system that was refined?
later by Naram Sin. ?It was volume based, around sixty liters.
? ? ? ? ? ?Both Mesopotamia and Persia lay claim to the distance measure,
'farsang,' ?the length a person could walk in a day, about five miles.
I see a connection with 'forsonne' of our own Sarswat Prakrit. ? ? eric.


________________________________
From: Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi


Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? FN? P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2]? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/gfai-cover ? | Goa Found & Imagined? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/MR-cover ? | Mirrored Reflections(poetry)? ? _/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[P. Soprey]

Pileo. In Cuncolim, Salcete area around 1960 I was a farmhand and we called
Paileo.


P. Soprey
sopreyp at yahoo.com



On Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:01 PM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

[Wendell Rodricks]

If I am not wrong there is a similar system in Punjab. But on a larger
scale.
I heard them talk about this three weeks ago in Chandigarh

W

Sent from my iPad
Wendell Rodricks, Campal, Panjim. GOA 403001. INDIA
Off tel: [phone], Shop tel: [phone]
Off email: rns.wendell at gmail.com


On 25-Oct-2013, at 12:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details.
> Would
> really appreciate your inputs:

[Sachin Tendulkar]

Dear Fredrick,
There is also concept of "Man" which is approximately 15 kg for dehusked
Arecanut. I came across all these concepts often while talking to farmers. I
would also request you to spread a word about Paddy farming through SRI
method.

Regards,
Sachin
tendulkar1970 at gmail.com


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone from !DEA


-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick FN Noronha
Subject: Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

[JoeGoaUk]

corrected link
?
Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/
Those days, wedding decorated cakes were of 4-5 layers
usually dressed in white crape paper. Bottom layer, the largest, was usually a fake one. Used one of the ?Pail? see abv fig 1stfrom first row.
When the time comes to cut the cake, I saw bridal couple
often attempting to poke the bottom layer not knowing it a fake wooden one.
?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

?others
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk56/7707032948/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk27/4746475517/

Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Sebastian Borges]

Perhaps ditto means exactly the same as it does in English. Didier could please try this out. Else, one entire para from his document containing the word could be posted here. I am sure some goanetter would be able to decipher it.

Sebastian Borges

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 didier de Melo <didierdemelo at hotmail.com> wrote:


When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.?
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo


......................
Sebastian Borges

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436 _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2] _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined _/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry) _/
_/
_/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? ? ? ?The 'kurru' appeared in Akkad in a system that was refined?
later by Naram Sin. ?It was volume based, around sixty liters.
? ? ? ? ? ?Both Mesopotamia and Persia lay claim to the distance measure,
'farsang,' ?the length a person could walk in a day, about five miles.
I see a connection with 'forsonne' of our own Sarswat Prakrit. ? ? eric.


________________________________
From: Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi


Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? FN? P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2]? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/gfai-cover ? | Goa Found & Imagined? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/MR-cover ? | Mirrored Reflections(poetry)? ? _/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[P. Soprey]

Pileo. In Cuncolim, Salcete area around 1960 I was a farmhand and we called
Paileo.


P. Soprey
sopreyp at yahoo.com



On Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:01 PM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

[Wendell Rodricks]

If I am not wrong there is a similar system in Punjab. But on a larger
scale.
I heard them talk about this three weeks ago in Chandigarh

W

Sent from my iPad
Wendell Rodricks, Campal, Panjim. GOA 403001. INDIA
Off tel: [phone], Shop tel: [phone]
Off email: rns.wendell at gmail.com


On 25-Oct-2013, at 12:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details.
> Would
> really appreciate your inputs:

[Sachin Tendulkar]

Dear Fredrick,
There is also concept of "Man" which is approximately 15 kg for dehusked
Arecanut. I came across all these concepts often while talking to farmers. I
would also request you to spread a word about Paddy farming through SRI
method.

Regards,
Sachin
tendulkar1970 at gmail.com


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone from !DEA


-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick FN Noronha
Subject: Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

[JoeGoaUk]

corrected link
?
Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/
Those days, wedding decorated cakes were of 4-5 layers
usually dressed in white crape paper. Bottom layer, the largest, was usually a fake one. Used one of the ?Pail? see abv fig 1stfrom first row.
When the time comes to cut the cake, I saw bridal couple
often attempting to poke the bottom layer not knowing it a fake wooden one.
?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

?others
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk56/7707032948/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk27/4746475517/

Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Sebastian Borges]

Perhaps ditto means exactly the same as it does in English. Didier could please try this out. Else, one entire para from his document containing the word could be posted here. I am sure some goanetter would be able to decipher it.

Sebastian Borges

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 didier de Melo <didierdemelo at hotmail.com> wrote:


When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.?
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo


......................
Sebastian Borges

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
_/
_/ FN P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436 _/
_/ New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2] _/
_/ http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up _/
_/ http://bit.ly/gfai-cover | Goa Found & Imagined _/
_/ http://bit.ly/MR-cover | Mirrored Reflections(poetry) _/
_/
_/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[eric pinto]

? ? ? ? ? ?The 'kurru' appeared in Akkad in a system that was refined?
later by Naram Sin. ?It was volume based, around sixty liters.
? ? ? ? ? ?Both Mesopotamia and Persia lay claim to the distance measure,
'farsang,' ?the length a person could walk in a day, about five miles.
I see a connection with 'forsonne' of our own Sarswat Prakrit. ? ? eric.


________________________________
From: Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi


Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

A *khandi* is a measure of volume; not of weight. Strangely enough, it is
connected with land-area too, specially when it comes to cultivating paddy
in the field.

The conversion is as below:

Two pileo = One kudov
20 kudov = 1 khandi

Five kudov is approx 25 kgs (when converted into weight, but can vary,
because this is basically a measure of volume). One khandi is approx 90-100
kgs in weight, and again this depends on the variety of paddy grown, as
each can vary in thickness, husk size, weight, etc.

So to cultivate a 2000 sq.m. field, farmers would estimate, for instance,
that it would take 10 kudov of seed to plant. The 10 kudov here refers to
the seed-input required to plant the entire field (not the resultant
yield)!

If a field requiring 5 kudov to plant could give a yield of 5 khandi (a
20-fold yield), it was considered to be a very good field.

While this form of measurement might seem "unscientific" and "non-matric"
to us today, I'm sure it had its advantages in its own time. Any comments
would be appreciated. Kindly correct me if the figures above are incorrect,
or the understanding skewed. The next time someone searching for an
explanation of a *khandi*, at least they will have some discussion to go
by, online. FN


_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? FN? P+91-832-2409490 M+91-9822122436? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? New from Goa,1556 [http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2]? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/TGIU-cover | The General Is Up? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/gfai-cover ? | Goa Found & Imagined? ? ? ? ? _/
_/? http://bit.ly/MR-cover ? | Mirrored Reflections(poetry)? ? _/
_/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _/
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

[P. Soprey]

Pileo. In Cuncolim, Salcete area around 1960 I was a farmhand and we called
Paileo.


P. Soprey
sopreyp at yahoo.com



On Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:01 PM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details. Would
really appreciate your inputs:

[Wendell Rodricks]

If I am not wrong there is a similar system in Punjab. But on a larger
scale.
I heard them talk about this three weeks ago in Chandigarh

W

Sent from my iPad
Wendell Rodricks, Campal, Panjim. GOA 403001. INDIA
Off tel: [phone], Shop tel: [phone]
Off email: rns.wendell at gmail.com


On 25-Oct-2013, at 12:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

> Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
> There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
> paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.
>
> A friend (who knows his farming) share with me the following details.
> Would
> really appreciate your inputs:

[Sachin Tendulkar]

Dear Fredrick,
There is also concept of "Man" which is approximately 15 kg for dehusked
Arecanut. I came across all these concepts often while talking to farmers. I
would also request you to spread a word about Paddy farming through SRI
method.

Regards,
Sachin
tendulkar1970 at gmail.com


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone from !DEA


-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick FN Noronha
Subject: Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi

Recently, I came across a reference to a *khandi,* and was quite puzzled.
There are hardly any references online to this old style of calculating
paddy yields, field sizes and seed-inputs required for cultivation.

[JoeGoaUk]

corrected link
?
Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/
Those days, wedding decorated cakes were of 4-5 layers
usually dressed in white crape paper. Bottom layer, the largest, was usually a fake one. Used one of the ?Pail? see abv fig 1stfrom first row.
When the time comes to cut the cake, I saw bridal couple
often attempting to poke the bottom layer not knowing it a fake wooden one.
?
?Kullov
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767391/

?others
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk56/7707032948/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk27/4746475517/

Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Sebastian Borges]

Perhaps ditto means exactly the same as it does in English. Didier could please try this out. Else, one entire para from his document containing the word could be posted here. I am sure some goanetter would be able to decipher it.

Sebastian Borges

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 didier de Melo <didierdemelo at hotmail.com> wrote:


When I collected my documents from arquives I found the measurements like lenght is 3 bamboos and 2 hands.?
But in some documents I found the lenght on East side is 15 dittos. What dittos is no one could tell me. Nor could I find
in any old books.

Didier de Melo


......................
Sebastian Borges