Polls show voters want Independents to support Labor - counter to Lieberal phone campaign aimed to blackmail them

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010

Not in Lyne, Kennedy or New England, you silly twit.

Thick or liar, which are you?

"Meanwhile, a Telereach-JWS Research Poll published in Fairfax
newspapers on Saturday found 37 per cent of voters want the rural trio
to side with Labor compared with 31 per cent for Mr Abbott, while 26 per
cent want another election.

The JWS poll of 4192 voters, conducted on Thursday, found that if there
was another election, the coalition would *lead* on the primary vote by
44.9 per cent to 35.4 per cent, while the Greens would receive 13.8 per
cent".
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

Post by fasgnadh
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor minority
government than the coalition."
I continue to be impressed by the Independents position
that they are in the best position to asses the merits
of the offers from the major parties, not their constituents,
and certainly not the party hacks trying to blackmail and threaten
them into supporting the tory Coalition!
It's just good to see the righteous anger of the voters
at the attempts of Phony Tony to DUPE them about the Black
Hole in his economic management credibility and his deceitful
attempts to keep it hidden!!
"A Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday, published in
The Weekend Australian, shows 47 per cent want the ALP to get the
independents' support and 39 per cent want the coalition to form
government."
I have enormous faith in the Australian people, once they
know the FACTS! B^]

B J Foster

2010-09-04 03:07:22 UTC

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010

Not in Lyne, Kennedy or New England, you silly twit.

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, in northeast NSW, 54 per cent of
voters wanted the independents to support the Coalition, while 34 per
cent wanted them to back Labor".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626

The independents will ultimately follow the wishes of their electorate.

It is probably only now dawning on the dopey Labor party that Wilkie's
Pokie deal will cut off one of their major sources of 'contributions',
pokie profits. How will JHG renege on *this* promise, I wonder. And if
Abbott gets in, this is one deal he isn't going to miss. ROTFL.

No wonder JHG doesn't want another election - they can't afford it!

Labor idiots.

Post by B J Foster
Thick or liar, which are you?
"Meanwhile, a Telereach-JWS Research Poll published in Fairfax
newspapers on Saturday found 37 per cent of voters want the rural trio
to side with Labor compared with 31 per cent for Mr Abbott, while 26 per
cent want another election.
The JWS poll of 4192 voters, conducted on Thursday, found that if there
was another election, the coalition would *lead* on the primary vote by
44.9 per cent to 35.4 per cent, while the Greens would receive 13.8 per
cent".
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 05:56:11 UTC

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor
minority government than the coalition."
I continue to be impressed by the Independents position
that they are in the best position to asses the merits
of the offers from the major parties, not their constituents,
and certainly not the party hacks trying to blackmail and threaten
them into supporting the tory Coalition!
It's just good to see the righteous anger of the voters
at the attempts of Phony Tony to DUPE them about the Black
Hole in his economic management credibility and his deceitful
attempts to keep it hidden!!
"A Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday, published in
The Weekend Australian, shows 47 per cent want the ALP to get the
independents' support and 39 per cent want the coalition to form
government."
I have enormous faith in the Australian people, once they
know the FACTS! B^]

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor minority
government than the Coalition

As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want them
to back Labor.

According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Post by B J Foster
in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, in northeast NSW,
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626
The independents will ultimately follow the wishes of their electorate.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D

Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D

Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA

If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

Post by B J Foster
"Meanwhile, a Telereach-JWS Research Poll published in Fairfax
newspapers on Saturday found 37 per cent of voters want the rural trio
to side with Labor compared with 31 per cent for Mr Abbott, while 26
per cent want another election.
The JWS poll of 4192 voters, conducted on Thursday, found that if
there was another election, the coalition would *lead* on the primary
vote by 44.9 per cent to 35.4 per cent, while the Greens would receive
13.8 per cent".
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

B J Foster

2010-09-04 06:36:39 UTC

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor minority
government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats, moron.

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, in northeast NSW, 54 per cent of
voters wanted the independents to support the Coalition, while 34 per
cent wanted them to back Labor".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626

Post by fasgnadh
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want them
to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

seon

2010-09-04 07:51:29 UTC

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor minority
government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats, moron.
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, in northeast NSW, 54 per cent of
voters wanted the independents to support the Coalition, while 34 per cent
wanted them to back Labor".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626

Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 13:49:45 UTC

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

Post by B J Foster
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...
voters wanted

It doesn't matter what they wanted for three reasons;

1. Katter won that seat on ALP preferences, he doesn't need the tories,
or their clumsy attempt to THREATEN and BLACKMAIL him.. but it's
fun to watch you try, and him mock you on National TV for doing so!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA

2. Abbott can't provide stable government AND produce a speaker!
AND the entire nation is now aware of his $11,000,000,000 Black Hole
AND his deceitful attempt to COVER IT UP, Lie to the people, and
try to STEAl the election.
So the Independents won't back him! They are men of Integrity,
and Phony Tony is an untrustworthy scumbag! B^D

3. As Katter et al have said CONSISTENTLY, the independents will
make their decisions in the NATIONAL INTEREST, not in the
interests of any party or their supporters.. they are INDEPENDENTS
no part hacks like BJ, Hampster, Sunny and Green Limpdick..!

The independents will make their decisions based on the
information provided to them by the major parties in response to
the independents requests.. information which the constituents
do not have.. and so their OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS! B^]

Just like your own, equally ILL INFORMED!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Post by fasgnadh
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want
them to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Bodes well for the Alp in ANY election re-run, eh? B^D
BRING IT ON! B^D
Of course the Independents only have their balance of power as
long as this parliament exists, so they will logically support the
party with the greatest number of seats in the Lower House, as that
will be more stable and poreserve their power.
As the polls show, now that Tony Maggott's duplicity and electoral
fraud has been exposed nationally, and his public support crashed,
the ALP is likely to rule in it's own right if another election is held!
Q.E.D.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

What would you, or he, know about facts, you stupid backflipping
nonentity? B^D

"I didn't snip anything" - Seon

"I snip them" - Seon, in the SAME sentence, unable to keep his lies
straight.

# From: "Seon Ferguson" <***@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: The Bloody History of Atheism is not concealed by mere
words,
# or by atheists snipping the FACTS
# Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:51:23 +1000
# Message-ID: <***@westnet.com.au>
#
# > No wonder that lying cowardly dishonest little troll, Seon,
# > snipped all that!
# >
# I didn't snip anything, ....
# your posts are too long
# so I snip them

_______________________

# From: "Seon Ferguson" <***@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Religion is a lie
# Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:38:42 +1000
# Message-ID: <***@westnet.com.au>
#
# My only regret is most people here have plonked me,
# if only I had realized that before making an arse of myself.

------------------------------

# From: "Seon" <***@gmail.com>
# Subject: Re: Atheists invent strawmen because they can't debate the
facts was Re: "Business welcomes Gillard ascension" - Minerals Council
suspedns ad campaign!
# Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:36:44 +1000
# Message-ID: <***@westnet.com.au>
#
#
# I have no idea,
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

B J Foster

2010-09-04 20:09:49 UTC

...

Post by fasgnadh
.

Post by seon
Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

What would you, or he, know about facts, you stupid backflipping
nonentity? B^D

Seon is a responsible citizen who doesn't want our kids to grow up as
expert pokie machine operators.

Here we have a 1930s poster showing that Labor clubs are a longstanding
tradition:
Loading Image...

This shows a commie 'worker' murdering a capitalist holding a banner
saying "work for the dole".

Today, the Canberra Labor clubs takes 25% of the pokie revenue in the
ACT. How much of it from Centrelink? How much goes to what is defined as
'community benefit' but goes to the Australian Labor Party coffers.

What a gross *distortion* of our democratic system that political
funding originates from *pokie* parlours.

One can only conclude that Gillard didn't know what she was doing when
she did the deal with Wilkie (but Wilkie did, LOL).

Watch the world's worst negotiator, Julia Gillard, backpedal on this one
especially when her faceless backers read her the rules.

seon

2010-09-04 22:16:04 UTC

Post by B J Foster
...

Post by fasgnadh
.

Post by seon
Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

What would you, or he, know about facts, you stupid backflipping
nonentity? B^D

Seon is a responsible citizen who doesn't want our kids to grow up as
expert pokie machine operators.

Plus if we want to talk about backflips look at Julia, first she supports
Kevin Rudd's mining tax, now she is willing to talk about it, first she
supports pokies, now she is willing to "compromise" but Tony Abbott is just
as bad.

Post by B J Foster
Here we have a 1930s poster showing that Labor clubs are a longstanding
http://www.lib.monash.edu.au/exhibitions/communism/com064.jpg
This shows a commie 'worker' murdering a capitalist holding a banner
saying "work for the dole".
Today, the Canberra Labor clubs takes 25% of the pokie revenue in the ACT.
How much of it from Centrelink? How much goes to what is defined as
'community benefit' but goes to the Australian Labor Party coffers.
What a gross *distortion* of our democratic system that political funding
originates from *pokie* parlours.
One can only conclude that Gillard didn't know what she was doing when she
did the deal with Wilkie (but Wilkie did, LOL).
Watch the world's worst negotiator, Julia Gillard, backpedal on this one
especially when her faceless backers read her the rules.

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 01:18:27 UTC

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural
independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor
minority government than the coalition."
I continue to be impressed by the Independents position
that they are in the best position to asses the merits
of the offers from the major parties, not their constituents,
and certainly not the party hacks trying to blackmail and threaten
them into supporting the tory Coalition!
It's just good to see the righteous anger of the voters
at the attempts of Phony Tony to DUPE them about the Black
Hole in his economic management credibility and his deceitful
attempts to keep it hidden!!
"A Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday, published in
The Weekend Australian, shows 47 per cent want the ALP to get the
independents' support and 39 per cent want the coalition to form
government."
I have enormous faith in the Australian people, once they
know the FACTS! B^]

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

Post by B J Foster
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...
voters wanted

It doesn't matter what they wanted for three reasons;
1. Katter won that seat on ALP preferences, he doesn't need the tories,
or their clumsy attempt to THREATEN and BLACKMAIL him.. but it's
fun to watch you try, and him mock you on National TV for doing so!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
2. Abbott can't provide stable government AND produce a speaker!
AND the entire nation is now aware of his $11,000,000,000 Black Hole
AND his deceitful attempt to COVER IT UP, Lie to the people, and
try to STEAl the election.
So the Independents won't back him! They are men of Integrity,
and Phony Tony is an untrustworthy scumbag! B^D
3. As Katter et al have said CONSISTENTLY, the independents will
make their decisions in the NATIONAL INTEREST, not in the
interests of any party or their supporters.. they are INDEPENDENTS
no part hacks like BJ, Hampster, Sunny and Green Limpdick..!
The independents will make their decisions based on the
information provided to them by the major parties in response to
the independents requests.. information which the constituents
do not have.. and so their OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS! B^]
Just like your own, equally ILL INFORMED!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Post by fasgnadh
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want
them to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

Seon is a responsible citizen

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Post by fasgnadh
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Religion is a lie
# Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:38:42 +1000
#
# My only regret is most people here have plonked me,
# if only I had realized that before making an arse of myself.
------------------------------
# Subject: Re: Atheists invent strawmen because they
# can't debate the facts was Re: "Business welcomes
# Gillard ascension" - Minerals Council
# suspedns ad campaign!
# Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:36:44 +1000
#
#
# I have no idea

Neither apparently does BJ! B^D

Seon's stated basis for political decision making is that
he feared Tony Abbott might sack him from his job
in a taxpayer funded Sheltered Workshop! B^D

Sean is a windsock.... Oh,

... I see why you want to suck up to him! B^D

Lieberals RELY on gormless DUPES!

Post by B J Foster
Here we have a 1930s poster showing that Labor

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA

Your propaganda techniques are as outdated as the communications
you left the Bush with!

Post by B J Foster
This shows a commie 'worker' murdering a capitalist holding a banner
saying "work for the dole".

YOu have really missed the New Paradigm boat, haven't you,
you sad old, redundant, Class War Warrior!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

seon

2010-09-05 01:54:02 UTC

"Seon's stated basis for political decision making is that
he feared Tony Abbott might sack him from his job
in a taxpayer funded Sheltered Workshop! B^D"

No, I am concerned that once Tony get's in he will cut public service jobs
so no new one's will be available. Just like Johnny boy did before. I want a
career in the public service.

Sunny

2010-09-05 02:03:39 UTC

Post by seon
"Seon's stated basis for political decision making is that
he feared Tony Abbott might sack him from his job
in a taxpayer funded Sheltered Workshop! B^D"
No, I am concerned that once Tony get's in he will cut public service
jobs so no new one's will be available. Just like Johnny boy did before.
I want a career in the public service.

Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

seon

2010-09-05 02:35:36 UTC

Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband, not
the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Hunter

2010-09-05 05:50:35 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband,
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly. No-one is
proposing leaving dial-up only areas without broadband (those few that
still remain, even the people in Katter's area get perfectly good ADSL,
they advertise it as one of the benefits of moving there to work in fact).

In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the electorate,
in my opinion such wisdom should be applied to the entire country. They
also want him to go with Liberal, but he probably wont. As we found out
he is effectively Rudd's lapdog, and while Rudd is still genuflecting to
Gillard in the hope he might get a meaningful position we can guess what
that will mean.

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 07:14:40 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor?

All three, but Hampster won't tell you that! B^D

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,
# canb.general,soc.culture.australian
# Subject: Re: Omens for Tony - Bob Katter says privatised
# telecoms has been a DISASTER for the bush!
# Message-ID: <zR1co.4166$***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:38:26 +1000
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# On 22/08/2010 9:18 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
...
# > Bob Katter says 10 years of Howard destroyed rural and regional
# > Australia (and the ALP didn't fix it), and he believes privatised
# > telecommunications have been a disaster for the bush. That sinks
# > Tony.
# >
# > Rob Oakeshott wants the NBN. ;-)
#
# Tony Windsor is also a big fan of the NBN, he and the
# other two Ex-Nats believe that the NBN is critical to
# reversing the isolation of the Bush,
#
# Katter and Windsor have made a number of comments about
# their inability to communicate from their rural and
# regional locations during the campaign.

Post by seon
I want faster broadband,

Who doesn't!?

Answer: Tony Abbott.

Post by Hunter
Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly.

If only Hampster could follow his own advice,

This is priceless, Hampster a Lieberal tool,
is telling a bloke who got elected on ALP preferences
to follow the Lieberal Line of bullshit Hampster is laying down! B^p

He would have to be as stupid as Hampster to listen to him! B^D

Post by Hunter
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the electorate,
in my opinion

That's about all we are getting here, your OPINION!

Worthless as always!

Watching Hampster try and tell Bob Katter that Hampster
knows what the real issues in Katter's electorate, and it involves
backing the Nationals.. is just HILARIOUS!

B^D
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

Seon

2010-09-05 07:45:53 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor?

All three, but Hampster won't tell you that! B^D

I hope so!

Post by fasgnadh
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,
# canb.general,soc.culture.australian
# Subject: Re: Omens for Tony - Bob Katter says privatised
# telecoms has been a DISASTER for the bush!
# Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:38:26 +1000
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# >
...
# > Bob Katter says 10 years of Howard destroyed rural and regional
# > Australia (and the ALP didn't fix it), and he believes privatised
# > telecommunications have been a disaster for the bush. That sinks
# > Tony.
# >
# > Rob Oakeshott wants the NBN. ;-)
#
# Tony Windsor is also a big fan of the NBN, he and the
# other two Ex-Nats believe that the NBN is critical to
# reversing the isolation of the Bush,
#
# Katter and Windsor have made a number of comments about
# their inability to communicate from their rural and
# regional locations during the campaign.

Post by seon
I want faster broadband,

Who doesn't!?
Answer: Tony Abbott.

And other prehistoric Dinosaurs.

Post by Hunter
Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly.

If only Hampster could follow his own advice,
This is priceless, Hampster a Lieberal tool,
is telling a bloke who got elected on ALP preferences
to follow the Lieberal Line of bullshit Hampster is laying down! B^p
He would have to be as stupid as Hampster to listen to him! B^D

Post by Hunter
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the electorate,
in my opinion

That's about all we are getting here, your OPINION!
Worthless as always!
Watching Hampster try and tell Bob Katter that Hampster
knows what the real issues in Katter's electorate, and it involves
backing the Nationals.. is just HILARIOUS!
B^D
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010
What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???
Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly) Andrew
Wilkie ! B^D
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000
"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."
They sure got Tony's measure! B^D
Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.
A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D
=======================================
"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010
"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html
Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================
"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010
"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."
B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D
"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."
His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."
But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..
Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================
"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA
Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!
(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D
Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.
Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."
Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;
" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."
GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

Hunter

2010-09-05 08:47:58 UTC

fasgnadh masturbated:

.... who knows, don't have a microscope handy....

Get back to us when you're capable of making a point fagsnads.

B J Foster

2010-09-05 09:01:05 UTC

...

Post by seon
I want faster broadband,

Who doesn't!?
Answer: Tony Abbott.

It ain't gonna happen with Labor.

Too stupid, too incompetent, too innumerate

bringyagrogalong

2010-09-05 09:12:00 UTC

Post by B J Foster
...

>> I want faster broadband,
Who doesn't!?
Answer: Tony Abbott.

It ain't gonna happen with Labor.

"Long term, fibre is the way to go" Tony Windsor.

B J Foster

2010-09-05 20:52:27 UTC

Post by bringyagrogalong

Post by B J Foster
...

...

Post by bringyagrogalong

Post by B J Foster
It ain't gonna happen with Labor.

"Long term, fibre is the way to go" Tony Windsor.

Irrespective of the technology employed, any project on that scale
managed by Gillard will be a disaster.

Look at the BER, $8b overspend. At that rate, a Gillard-managed NBN will
cost $86 *billion* and will take ten years.

Seon

2010-09-05 07:44:51 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband, not
the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly. No-one is
proposing leaving dial-up only areas without broadband (those few that
still remain, even the people in Katter's area get perfectly good ADSL,
they advertise it as one of the benefits of moving there to work in fact).
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the electorate, in
my opinion such wisdom should be applied to the entire country. They also
want him to go with Liberal, but he probably wont. As we found out he is
effectively Rudd's lapdog, and while Rudd is still genuflecting to Gillard
in the hope he might get a meaningful position we can guess what that will
mean.

I'd say the NBN is a real issue because it will allow people in regional
areas to call doctors at night over a fast network. Also I'd say catching up
with the rest of the world is a real issue as well. Why should our internet
be slower than anyone else's.

But you have a point voters in the independent electorates want them to
focus on the issues they sent them to parliament for. Not fast internet. I
hate to admit it but I think they should listen to the wishes of their
electorate.

Hunter

2010-09-05 08:54:22 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband,
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly. No-one
is proposing leaving dial-up only areas without broadband (those few
that still remain, even the people in Katter's area get perfectly good
ADSL, they advertise it as one of the benefits of moving there to work
in fact).
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the
electorate, in my opinion such wisdom should be applied to the entire
country. They also want him to go with Liberal, but he probably wont.
As we found out he is effectively Rudd's lapdog, and while Rudd is
still genuflecting to Gillard in the hope he might get a meaningful
position we can guess what that will mean.

I'd say the NBN is a real issue because it will allow people in regional
areas to call doctors at night over a fast network.

Careful seon, you're delving into areas that you obviously have little
understanding of. They can call doctors at night now on a land-line, but
what doctors will answer their call at midnight? The NBN is not going to
spawn doctors. Try to explain rationally what you "think" the NBN is
going to do in this regard specifically, and you may end up realising
for yourself the fallacy of your statement.

NEVER base your opinion on political catch-cries, not Liberal's or
Labor's, you'll just come a cropper. Better off looking into the specifics.

Post by Seon
Also I'd say
catching up with the rest of the world is a real issue as well. Why
should our internet be slower than anyone else's.

It's not. Our access of resources in the US or Europe however will be
slower than it will be for those in the US and Europe, and the NBN wont
do a fucking thing to address that.

Post by Seon
But you have a point voters in the independent electorates want them to
focus on the issues they sent them to parliament for. Not fast internet.
I hate to admit it but I think they should listen to the wishes of their
electorate.

If they did that they'd side with the coalition, the vote clearly
indicated this and so have subsequent polls.

Seon

2010-09-05 10:09:53 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband,
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly. No-one is
proposing leaving dial-up only areas without broadband (those few that
still remain, even the people in Katter's area get perfectly good ADSL,
they advertise it as one of the benefits of moving there to work in fact).
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the electorate,
in my opinion such wisdom should be applied to the entire country. They
also want him to go with Liberal, but he probably wont. As we found out
he is effectively Rudd's lapdog, and while Rudd is still genuflecting to
Gillard in the hope he might get a meaningful position we can guess what
that will mean.

I'd say the NBN is a real issue because it will allow people in regional
areas to call doctors at night over a fast network.

Careful seon, you're delving into areas that you obviously have little
understanding of. They can call doctors at night now on a land-line, but
what doctors will answer their call at midnight? The NBN is not going to
spawn doctors. Try to explain rationally what you "think" the NBN is going
to do in this regard specifically, and you may end up realising for
yourself the fallacy of your statement.
NEVER base your opinion on political catch-cries, not Liberal's or
Labor's, you'll just come a cropper. Better off looking into the specifics.

But all they can do is describe the symptoms. With this, they can actually
show the doctors. And it will be an actual emergency room, I don't think it
will be the usual GP.

Post by Seon
Also I'd say catching up with the rest of the world is a real issue as
well. Why should our internet be slower than anyone else's.

It's not. Our access of resources in the US or Europe however will be
slower than it will be for those in the US and Europe, and the NBN wont do
a fucking thing to address that.

It will make speeds faster. Ok so it won't catch up but being faster won't
hurt.

If they did that they'd side with the coalition, the vote clearly
indicated this and so have subsequent polls.

I hate to admit it but you're right.

Hunter

2010-09-05 10:23:19 UTC

Post by Seon
I'd say the NBN is a real issue because it will allow people in
regional areas to call doctors at night over a fast network.

Careful seon, you're delving into areas that you obviously have little
understanding of. They can call doctors at night now on a land-line,
but what doctors will answer their call at midnight? The NBN is not
going to spawn doctors. Try to explain rationally what you "think" the
NBN is going to do in this regard specifically, and you may end up
realising for yourself the fallacy of your statement.
NEVER base your opinion on political catch-cries, not Liberal's or
Labor's, you'll just come a cropper. Better off looking into the specifics.

But all they can do is describe the symptoms. With this, they can
actually show the doctors.

How exactly? Will GP kits be sent to every house in the country along
with training on their usage? Ridiculous idea and irrelevant to
broadband. Or are you talking about photos of the affected areas,
allowing for an extremely limited diagnosis at best? You could send that
with dial-up. What specifically do you think fibre will achieve that any
other net connection could not? Think about the people who made these
bullshit claims as well, "spams and scams from the portal"??? Do you
think he even has the remotest idea?

Post by Seon
And it will be an actual emergency room, I
don't think it will be the usual GP.

So you think that fibre to the home will cause as if by magic these
mythical emergency rooms to spring up right across the country that
you'll be able to teleport to as if by magic? You're talking sheer
fantasy. Try to elaborate what exactly is going to happen technically
that will change the situation from what it is today. And when you can
not do so, think on why, and apply the same level of scepticism to every
other bogus claim made on behalf of the NBN which come across more like
a transformation of the country into Nirvana rather than the reality of
the situation.

Post by Seon
Also I'd say catching up with the rest of the world is a real issue
as well. Why should our internet be slower than anyone else's.

It's not. Our access of resources in the US or Europe however will be
slower than it will be for those in the US and Europe, and the NBN
wont do a fucking thing to address that.

It will make speeds faster. Ok so it won't catch up but being faster
won't hurt.

What, specifically what, do you need faster than adsl2 speeds to achieve
from your home? Give me details. I don't think you'll come up with any
that are valid.

Post by Seon
But you have a point voters in the independent electorates want them
to focus on the issues they sent them to parliament for. Not fast
internet. I hate to admit it but I think they should listen to the
wishes of their electorate.

If they did that they'd side with the coalition, the vote clearly
indicated this and so have subsequent polls.

I hate to admit it but you're right.

Sadly politicians rarely do what their electorates want them to, and
that's common right across the board.

Seon

2010-09-05 20:44:00 UTC

Post by Seon
I'd say the NBN is a real issue because it will allow people in
regional areas to call doctors at night over a fast network.

Careful seon, you're delving into areas that you obviously have little
understanding of. They can call doctors at night now on a land-line, but
what doctors will answer their call at midnight? The NBN is not going to
spawn doctors. Try to explain rationally what you "think" the NBN is
going to do in this regard specifically, and you may end up realising
for yourself the fallacy of your statement.
NEVER base your opinion on political catch-cries, not Liberal's or
Labor's, you'll just come a cropper. Better off looking into the specifics.

But all they can do is describe the symptoms. With this, they can
actually show the doctors.

How exactly? Will GP kits be sent to every house in the country along with
training on their usage? Ridiculous idea and irrelevant to broadband. Or
are you talking about photos of the affected areas, allowing for an
extremely limited diagnosis at best? You could send that with dial-up.
What specifically do you think fibre will achieve that any other net
connection could not? Think about the people who made these bullshit
claims as well, "spams and scams from the portal"??? Do you think he even
has the remotest idea?

It will be limited diagnosis's if we continue phoning in our symptoms. This
will help people in regional areas and one of the Labor policies I actually
agree with.

Post by Seon
And it will be an actual emergency room, I don't think it will be the
usual GP.

So you think that fibre to the home will cause as if by magic these
mythical emergency rooms to spring up right across the country that you'll
be able to teleport to as if by magic? You're talking sheer fantasy. Try
to elaborate what exactly is going to happen technically that will change
the situation from what it is today. And when you can not do so, think on
why, and apply the same level of scepticism to every other bogus claim
made on behalf of the NBN which come across more like a transformation of
the country into Nirvana rather than the reality of the situation.

Fine but I'll also be skeptical of the liberals policy.

Post by Seon
Also I'd say catching up with the rest of the world is a real issue as
well. Why should our internet be slower than anyone else's.

It's not. Our access of resources in the US or Europe however will be
slower than it will be for those in the US and Europe, and the NBN wont
do a fucking thing to address that.

It will make speeds faster. Ok so it won't catch up but being faster
won't hurt.

What, specifically what, do you need faster than adsl2 speeds to achieve
from your home? Give me details. I don't think you'll come up with any
that are valid.

Well maybe you don't use the internet to download things or access websites
but I do. It will also make things like calling a doc through video
conference faster.

Post by Seon
But you have a point voters in the independent electorates want them to
focus on the issues they sent them to parliament for. Not fast
internet. I hate to admit it but I think they should listen to the
wishes of their electorate.

If they did that they'd side with the coalition, the vote clearly
indicated this and so have subsequent polls.

I hate to admit it but you're right.

Sadly politicians rarely do what their electorates want them to, and
that's common right across the board.

Yeah they do what's in their best interests or what benefits them. The same
goes for Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

Hunter

2010-09-06 00:17:39 UTC

Post by Seon
But all they can do is describe the symptoms. With this, they can
actually show the doctors.

How exactly? Will GP kits be sent to every house in the country along
with training on their usage? Ridiculous idea and irrelevant to
broadband. Or are you talking about photos of the affected areas,
allowing for an extremely limited diagnosis at best? You could send
that with dial-up. What specifically do you think fibre will achieve
that any other net connection could not? Think about the people who
made these bullshit claims as well, "spams and scams from the
portal"??? Do you think he even has the remotest idea?

It will be limited diagnosis's if we continue phoning in our symptoms.
This will help people in regional areas and one of the Labor policies I
actually agree with.

Don't avoid the question, tell me exactly what they'll be able to do in
your mind with an NBN they can't do with DSL. What exactly will be
different, give me examples, just one or two, that show fibre will be
any better than DSL for what you are talking about.

Post by Seon
And it will be an actual emergency room, I don't think it will be the
usual GP.

So you think that fibre to the home will cause as if by magic these
mythical emergency rooms to spring up right across the country that
you'll be able to teleport to as if by magic? You're talking sheer
fantasy. Try to elaborate what exactly is going to happen technically
that will change the situation from what it is today. And when you can
not do so, think on why, and apply the same level of scepticism to
every other bogus claim made on behalf of the NBN which come across
more like a transformation of the country into Nirvana rather than the
reality of the situation.

Fine but I'll also be skeptical of the liberals policy.

So you agree then that Labor are telling lies about this new miracle
medicine that the NBN is magically going to cause to exist. Thank you.
Now tell me specifically what Liberals are claiming about their policy
that are lies. If you can show me one or two examples I'll agree with
you. They're no more renowned for their honesty than Labor is.

Post by Seon
It will make speeds faster. Ok so it won't catch up but being faster
won't hurt.

What, specifically what, do you need faster than adsl2 speeds to
achieve from your home? Give me details. I don't think you'll come up
with any that are valid.

Well maybe you don't use the internet to download things or access
websites but I do.

What are you downloading? 10 HD pirated movies simultaneously??? As far
as websites, that's the most common myth I see from people who know
nothing about the technology but get caught up in the smoke and mirrors.
They're not going to speed up, not remotely, by you having a much faster
connection back to the ISP. I hang off of a 100 meg link at work, and on
many a weekend I'm the only one using it. Virtually no change in
relation to web-browsing, slow sites are still slow. They're generally
throttled and limited on the number of concurrent connections per user,
bottlenecks well beyond your ISP also come into play and demand on the
website itself also slow things down. If you think it takes major
bandwidth to load the pissy contents of a website then you have no
concept of how little information a website is actually pumping down to
you. If you monitored your bandwidth usage when accessing a slow website
you wouldn't even see a dent.

Post by Seon
It will also make things like calling a doc through
video conference faster.

How so? For starters video conferencing isn't going to go "faster"
unless you're nostalgic for Chipmunk Punk. It's more a case of the
quality being limited by bandwidth. A DSL connection to your ISP is
already capable of pulling down HD video and Audio at a rate leaps and
bounds quicker than you could possibly watch it, therefore your speed
down from the ISP is already fine for what you're talking about. The
only real issue is "up speed" and that can be taken care of with the
implementation of VDSL, in fact VDSL2 offers up to 100Mbs both up and
down. The only problem here is people that are in DSL brown or black
spots would suffer the same as they do now with ADSL. This is something
that does need to be fixed.

Don't get me wrong, if someone were to ask me "If it could just happen
at no cost to the country, we're going to grant you a magic wish, do you
want VDSL in the future or do you want FTTH in the future" my response
would be "Why are you even asking??!?!? Give me FTTH!!!". It is the best
end result. But there are much better things the money could be spent on
in this day and age, especially when we're not currently on a
champagne-drinkers income as far as the economy goes. And for those
currently hurting with DSL the improvements will come a hell of a lot
quicker by going the cheaper direction.

Post by Seon
I hate to admit it but you're right.

Sadly politicians rarely do what their electorates want them to, and
that's common right across the board.

Yeah they do what's in their best interests or what benefits them. The
same goes for Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

Yep.

Addinall

2010-09-06 02:19:45 UTC

Post by Seon
But all they can do is describe the symptoms. With this, they can
actually show the doctors.

How exactly? Will GP kits be sent to every house in the country along
with training on their usage? Ridiculous idea and irrelevant to
broadband. Or are you talking about photos of the affected areas,
allowing for an extremely limited diagnosis at best? You could send
that with dial-up. What specifically do you think fibre will achieve
that any other net connection could not? Think about the people who
made these bullshit claims as well, "spams and scams from the
portal"??? Do you think he even has the remotest idea?

It will be limited diagnosis's if we continue phoning in our symptoms.
This will help people in regional areas and one of the Labor policies I
actually agree with.

Post by Seon
And it will be an actual emergency room, I don't think it will be the
usual GP.

Errrrrr. Where did that fiction come from?

Post by Hunter
So you think that fibre to the home will cause as if by magic these
mythical emergency rooms to spring up right across the country that
you'll be able to teleport to as if by magic? You're talking sheer
fantasy. Try to elaborate what exactly is going to happen technically
that will change the situation from what it is today. And when you can
not do so, think on why, and apply the same level of scepticism to
every other bogus claim made on behalf of the NBN which come across
more like a transformation of the country into Nirvana rather than the
reality of the situation.

Fine but I'll also be skeptical of the liberals policy.

Post by Seon
It will make speeds faster. Ok so it won't catch up but being faster
won't hurt.

What, specifically what, do you need faster than adsl2 speeds to
achieve from your home? Give me details. I don't think you'll come up
with any that are valid.

Well maybe you don't use the internet to download things or access
websites but I do.

What websites are constrained by current speeds?

Post by Hunter
What are you downloading? 10 HD pirated movies simultaneously??? As far
as websites, that's the most common myth I see from people who know
nothing about the technology but get caught up in the smoke and mirrors.
They're not going to speed up, not remotely, by you having a much faster
connection back to the ISP. I hang off of a 100 meg link at work, and on
many a weekend I'm the only one using it. Virtually no change in
relation to web-browsing, slow sites are still slow. They're generally
throttled and limited on the number of concurrent connections per user,
bottlenecks well beyond your ISP also come into play and demand on the
website itself also slow things down. If you think it takes major
bandwidth to load the pissy contents of a website then you have no
concept of how little information a website is actually pumping down to
you. If you monitored your bandwidth usage when accessing a slow website
you wouldn't even see a dent.

It is amazing hey? The 'internet savvy' young actually have no clue
on how it works.
I have gig to the desk at work. Slow as a wet fucking week. Poorly
implemented security, bad network routing, and Citrix......

As I pointed out last week, on this slow old home link (burbling along
at about 4mbps at the moment, shared by 16 apartments) it took me 11.4
seconds to download an entire WAMP server. And less than 2 seconds to
download this Senate report on the state of the NBN.
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/broadband_ctte/third_report/c04.htm

Post by Seon
It will also make things like calling a doc through
video conference faster.

How so? For starters video conferencing isn't going to go "faster"
unless you're nostalgic for Chipmunk Punk. It's more a case of the
quality being limited by bandwidth. A DSL connection to your ISP is
already capable of pulling down HD video and Audio at a rate leaps and
bounds quicker than you could possibly watch it, therefore your speed
down from the ISP is already fine for what you're talking about. The
only real issue is "up speed" and that can be taken care of with the
implementation of VDSL, in fact VDSL2 offers up to 100Mbs both up and
down. The only problem here is people that are in DSL brown or black
spots would suffer the same as they do now with ADSL. This is something
that does need to be fixed.
Don't get me wrong, if someone were to ask me "If it could just happen
at no cost to the country, we're going to grant you a magic wish, do you
want VDSL in the future or do you want FTTH in the future" my response
would be "Why are you even asking??!?!? Give me FTTH!!!". It is the best
end result. But there are much better things the money could be spent on
in this day and age, especially when we're not currently on a
champagne-drinkers income as far as the economy goes. And for those
currently hurting with DSL the improvements will come a hell of a lot
quicker by going the cheaper direction.

I would never buy a FTTH account. Don't need it, don't want it.
Better and cheaper mobile computing facilities! Yes please.
That is what the world wants.

FTTH is so out of date before it starts it is unfunny.

Mark Addinall.

Post by Seon
I hate to admit it but you're right.

Sadly politicians rarely do what their electorates want them to, and
that's common right across the board.

Yeah they do what's in their best interests or what benefits them. The
same goes for Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

Yep.- Hide quoted text -
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Hunter

2010-09-06 09:31:54 UTC

Post by Seon
And it will be an actual emergency room, I don't think it will be the
usual GP.

Errrrrr. Where did that fiction come from?

He's not the only one who believes this garbage either.... I've talked
to quite a number of people about this. No-one else has taken so bloody
long to catch on that it's a crock of shit as Seon has though. Lad's
like a director we had 6 or 7 years back, give him a fucking glossy with
pretty pictures and suddenly everything on it is true. Every time sales
creatures visited him we had to de-program him to make sure we didn't
end up buying complete and utter crap as opposed to effective
equipment/technology. Can't say I was sorry to see him go...

Post by Hunter
Don't get me wrong, if someone were to ask me "If it could just happen
at no cost to the country, we're going to grant you a magic wish, do you
want VDSL in the future or do you want FTTH in the future" my response
would be "Why are you even asking??!?!? Give me FTTH!!!". It is the best
end result. But there are much better things the money could be spent on
in this day and age, especially when we're not currently on a
champagne-drinkers income as far as the economy goes. And for those
currently hurting with DSL the improvements will come a hell of a lot
quicker by going the cheaper direction.

I would never buy a FTTH account. Don't need it, don't want it.
Better and cheaper mobile computing facilities! Yes please.
That is what the world wants.
FTTH is so out of date before it starts it is unfunny.

Agreed, like I said above I'd be happy to take one for free if there
were no consequences of doing so, hey why not, but when it means
something else will not be fixed because money is being pumped down the
gurgler for this system then I think it's totally wrong.

Seon

2010-09-06 08:05:48 UTC

Post by Seon
But all they can do is describe the symptoms. With this, they can
actually show the doctors.

It will be limited diagnosis's if we continue phoning in our symptoms.
This will help people in regional areas and one of the Labor policies I
actually agree with.

Don't avoid the question, tell me exactly what they'll be able to do in
your mind with an NBN they can't do with DSL. What exactly will be
different, give me examples, just one or two, that show fibre will be any
better than DSL for what you are talking about.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-national-press-club-speech/story-fn59niix-1225912350176

It will open up new worlds of productivity gains and can overcome the
disadvantage of distance in regional communities.

It will give a major reform of how we fund and run the health system, and
introducing a new era of transparency and quality into our schools and
universities.

And will help regional communities that have traditionally got less from
health, education and telecommunications services.

It will connect over 1000 cities and towns across Australia with speeds of
up to 1 gigabit per second for 93 per cent of homes and businesses and
provide new health services, like those announced for regional Australia
during the election campaign.

How can anyone be against that?

Post by Seon
And it will be an actual emergency room, I don't think it will be the
usual GP.

Fine but I'll also be skeptical of the liberals policy.

So you agree then that Labor are telling lies about this new miracle
medicine that the NBN is magically going to cause to exist. Thank you. Now
tell me specifically what Liberals are claiming about their policy that
are lies. If you can show me one or two examples I'll agree with you.
They're no more renowned for their honesty than Labor is.

Which policies of Labor are lies?

Post by Seon
It will make speeds faster. Ok so it won't catch up but being faster
won't hurt.

What, specifically what, do you need faster than adsl2 speeds to achieve
from your home? Give me details. I don't think you'll come up with any
that are valid.

Well maybe you don't use the internet to download things or access
websites but I do.

What are you downloading? 10 HD pirated movies simultaneously??? As far as
websites, that's the most common myth I see from people who know nothing
about the technology but get caught up in the smoke and mirrors. They're
not going to speed up, not remotely, by you having a much faster
connection back to the ISP. I hang off of a 100 meg link at work, and on
many a weekend I'm the only one using it. Virtually no change in relation
to web-browsing, slow sites are still slow. They're generally throttled
and limited on the number of concurrent connections per user, bottlenecks
well beyond your ISP also come into play and demand on the website itself
also slow things down. If you think it takes major bandwidth to load the
pissy contents of a website then you have no concept of how little
information a website is actually pumping down to you. If you monitored
your bandwidth usage when accessing a slow website you wouldn't even see a
dent.

Oh, well maybe not the website thing but I have shown you the benefits.

Post by Seon
It will also make things like calling a doc through video conference
faster.

How do you know they would not get it? I thought the NBN will cover a bigger
area.

Post by Hunter
Don't get me wrong, if someone were to ask me "If it could just happen at
no cost to the country, we're going to grant you a magic wish, do you want
VDSL in the future or do you want FTTH in the future" my response would be
"Why are you even asking??!?!? Give me FTTH!!!". It is the best end
result. But there are much better things the money could be spent on in
this day and age, especially when we're not currently on a
champagne-drinkers income as far as the economy goes. And for those
currently hurting with DSL the improvements will come a hell of a lot
quicker by going the cheaper direction.

Post by Seon
I hate to admit it but you're right.

Sadly politicians rarely do what their electorates want them to, and
that's common right across the board.

Yeah they do what's in their best interests or what benefits them. The
same goes for Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

Yep.

Hunter

2010-09-06 09:25:34 UTC

Post by Seon
It will be limited diagnosis's if we continue phoning in our
symptoms. This will help people in regional areas and one of the
Labor policies I actually agree with.

Don't avoid the question, tell me exactly what they'll be able to do
in your mind with an NBN they can't do with DSL. What exactly will be
different, give me examples, just one or two, that show fibre will be
any better than DSL for what you are talking about.

Empty rhetoric....

Post by Seon
It will give a major reform of how we fund and run the health system,
and introducing a new era of transparency and quality into our schools
and universities.

Empty rhetoric....

Post by Seon
And will help regional communities that have traditionally got less from
health, education and telecommunications services.

Empty rhetoric....

Post by Seon
It will connect over 1000 cities and towns across Australia with speeds
of up to 1 gigabit per second for 93 per cent of homes and businesses

Believe it when you see it... "speed of up to 100 meg but much less in
most cases in smaller regional areas cos we wont be rolling out fibre to
most of these towns" is the reality I'd bet...

Post by Seon
and provide new health services, like those announced for regional
Australia during the election campaign.

Pure bullshit.... Now again Seon, tell me technically what will change
by having fibre as opposed to DSL, what functionality will the medical
system suddenly have that it wouldn't have with DSL. What exactly?

Post by Seon
How can anyone be against that?

Anyone who's not interested in buying a bridge from me would not be
silly enough to fall for something based on sheer glossy claims.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me exactly what functionality fibre is
going to give someone in relation to medical diagnosis that they could
not do with DSL. You don't seem to be able to come up with a single
thing, yet don't seem to be able to catch on that that is because those
claims were crap. What's hard to understand?

Post by Seon
Fine but I'll also be skeptical of the liberals policy.

Which policies of Labor are lies?

Oh I dunno, perhaps the one we've been discussing ad nauseum in this
thread, the one you can't come up with a SINGLE thing that would be any
different between fibre and dsl in achieving? The magical fantastic
virtual reality medical clinics that will cure you over the internet
perhaps? Fuck Conroy has a lot to answer for....

Post by Seon
Well maybe you don't use the internet to download things or access
websites but I do.

What are you downloading? 10 HD pirated movies simultaneously??? As
far as websites, that's the most common myth I see from people who
know nothing about the technology but get caught up in the smoke and
mirrors. They're not going to speed up, not remotely, by you having a
much faster connection back to the ISP. I hang off of a 100 meg link
at work, and on many a weekend I'm the only one using it. Virtually no
change in relation to web-browsing, slow sites are still slow. They're
generally throttled and limited on the number of concurrent
connections per user, bottlenecks well beyond your ISP also come into
play and demand on the website itself also slow things down. If you
think it takes major bandwidth to load the pissy contents of a website
then you have no concept of how little information a website is
actually pumping down to you. If you monitored your bandwidth usage
when accessing a slow website you wouldn't even see a dent.

Oh, well maybe not the website thing but I have shown you the benefits.

Like what exactly? You've spat out the same empty rhetoric that the
bridge-sellers have spat out. The few specific points that you've
brought up you now seem to accept that you were totally wrong on. All
that is left is a fucking advertising brochure that you obviously don't
understand.

AGAIN, what will be achievable that can't be achieved on DSL???????

Post by Seon
It will also make things like calling a doc through video conference
faster.

How do you know they would not get it? I thought the NBN will cover a
bigger area.

How do you know who would not get what??? I was explaining would could
be done instead of FTTH at a fraction of the cost. It would also result
in those who actually are suffering broadband-wise at the moment getting
sorted out in half the time as well.

fasgnadh

2010-09-06 12:59:00 UTC

Post by Hunter
Empty rhetoric....
Empty rhetoric....
Empty rhetoric....

Gee Hunter,

looks like you have increased your personal productivity 300%

And what value do you place on your increased output?

Post by Hunter
Pure bullshit....
you to tell me exactly what functionality fibre is going to
give someone

It might move some of that that pure bullshit off your liver.

Post by Hunter
in relation to medical diagnosis

Well, no.. it can fix your constipated prose style, but
won't be able to improve your mental problems, sadly.

Post by Hunter
What's hard to understand?

Why God gave you a hairy arse and then made you shit sloppy!

I thought he was a God of Love, not a comic genius!

Post by Hunter
Oh I dunno

That's a given...

---------

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't
# > got a clue about economic management.

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

--
Hello, this is my Netsig!

With a message for that tiresome twat, Thick-as-a-short-Plank,
the Net Nazi:

http://youtu.be/4zTkAcuXb8g

Hunter

2010-09-06 13:29:20 UTC

Post by fasgnadh
mental problems, sadly.

Yep, we've known that about you for well over a decade fagsnads.

Seon

2010-09-07 07:02:20 UTC

Post by Hunter
Empty rhetoric....
Empty rhetoric....
Empty rhetoric....

Gee Hunter,
looks like you have increased your personal productivity 300%
And what value do you place on your increased output?

I'd like to know that as well...

Post by Hunter
Pure bullshit....
you to tell me exactly what functionality fibre is going to
give someone

It might move some of that that pure bullshit off your liver.

Post by Hunter
in relation to medical diagnosis

Well, no.. it can fix your constipated prose style, but
won't be able to improve your mental problems, sadly.

Post by Hunter
What's hard to understand?

Why God gave you a hairy arse and then made you shit sloppy!
I thought he was a God of Love, not a comic genius!

Post by Hunter
Oh I dunno

That's a given...

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 13:18:17 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor?

Three of them.. Watch Hampster whining hysterically about their good
judgement! B^D

Post by seon
I want faster broadband,

So does the bush, and everyone else, except Hampster, Blow Job
Fosterchild, Green Limpdick, Sunny and every other Lieberal stooge in
Usenet! B^]

But most importantly.. so do the 3 Independents that will form
a government that offers stability instead of Abbotts Black Hole.

Post by seon
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us
to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly.

Try following your own advice you lying lieberal stooge

Where's the proof of your BULLSHIT claim that Wilkie
ASKED FOR A BILLION DOLLARS..

The Lieberals are publicly BACKING away from that rumour they
started to cover their embarrassment!

Post by Hunter
Careful seon, you're delving into areas that you obviously have little
understanding of.

B^D You do that every time you open your mouth, on ANY topic, you
idiotic hypocrite!

---------

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

--
Hello, this is my Netsig!

Seon

2010-09-05 20:51:02 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor?

Three of them.. Watch Hampster whining hysterically about their good
judgement! B^D

Post by seon
I want faster broadband,

So does the bush, and everyone else, except Hampster, Blow Job
Fosterchild, Green Limpdick, Sunny and every other Lieberal stooge in
Usenet! B^]
But most importantly.. so do the 3 Independents that will form
a government that offers stability instead of Abbotts Black Hole.

Post by seon
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us
to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly.

Try following your own advice you lying lieberal stooge
Where's the proof of your BULLSHIT claim that Wilkie
ASKED FOR A BILLION DOLLARS..
The Lieberals are publicly BACKING away from that rumour they
started to cover their embarrassment!

Post by Hunter
Careful seon, you're delving into areas that you obviously have little
understanding of.

B^D You do that every time you open your mouth, on ANY topic, you idiotic
hypocrite!

You are the one who accuses all atheists of being communists but then when
Julia gillard admits she is an atheists you try to pretend she isn't one
because you can't accept your hero must be one. Hunter is no hypocrite, you
are.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/pm-tells-it-as-she-sees-it-on-the-god-issue-20100629-zjad.html
FAINE: Do you believe in God?

PM: No, I don't Jon, I'm not a religious person.

Amazingly, the radio station was not struck by lightning.

Gillard hastened to add she was brought up a Baptist, attending the Mitcham
Baptist Church. Why, she even won catechism prizes for remembering verses
from the Bible.

''But during my adult life I've, you know, found a different path,'' she
declared. ''I'm, of course, a great respecter of religious beliefs but
they're not my beliefs.''

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/atheist-gillard-says-she-respects-church-20100729-10x3o.html
"Many Christians are concerned that someone who does not believe in God may
not endorse the Christian traditions of respect for human life, for the
sanctity of marriage and the independence of churches, church schools and
church social welfare agencies."

Ms Gillard said she was someone who respected the religious views of others.

(note she didn't deny she was an atheist)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/29/2939879.htm
Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she has no intention of pretending to
believe in God to attract religiously-inclined voters.

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd was a regular at Canberra church services
and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is known as a devout Catholic.

In contrast, Ms Gillard says that while she greatly respects other people's
religious views, she does not believe in God.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-dismisses-fears-her-atheism-could-threaten-church-privileges/story-fn59niix-1225898540864
"In terms of the work that the Catholic church does, that other churches and
religious groups do in our society, I am a big respecter," she told
reporters in Melbourne. (but she didn't deny her atheism)

If she believed in God wouldn't she just say that?

B J Foster

2010-09-05 09:02:54 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband,
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly. No-one
is proposing leaving dial-up only areas without broadband (those few
that still remain, even the people in Katter's area get perfectly good
ADSL, they advertise it as one of the benefits of moving there to work
in fact).
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the
electorate, in my opinion such wisdom should be applied to the entire
country. They also want him to go with Liberal, but he probably wont.
As we found out he is effectively Rudd's lapdog, and while Rudd is
still genuflecting to Gillard in the hope he might get a meaningful
position we can guess what that will mean.

Question:
Have you got broadband now?

Seon

2010-09-05 10:10:09 UTC

Post by Sunny
Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN
bullshit.
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

Oh good so one of them are going with Labor? I want faster broadband,
not the Dinosaur dial up internet Tony Abbott wants us to get.

Try to avoid telling lies seon, it just makes you look silly. No-one is
proposing leaving dial-up only areas without broadband (those few that
still remain, even the people in Katter's area get perfectly good ADSL,
they advertise it as one of the benefits of moving there to work in fact).
In fact the people within Katter's electorate want him to stop fucking
around with NBN and start fixing the real issues within the electorate,
in my opinion such wisdom should be applied to the entire country. They
also want him to go with Liberal, but he probably wont. As we found out
he is effectively Rudd's lapdog, and while Rudd is still genuflecting to
Gillard in the hope he might get a meaningful position we can guess what
that will mean.

Have you got broadband now?

Yes and it's as slow as hell.

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 04:38:16 UTC

Sunny finally catches up with what I told him DAYS AGO: B^D

Looks like one of the three amigos has accepted the $43Billion NBN

You really are slower than paint drying! B^D

I told you about the Independents favouring the NBN a WEEK AGO!
You really have to stop SNIPPING posts, complaining that your
'brane hurts' if they are too long, and try to CATCH UP! B^D

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,
# canb.general,soc.culture.australian
# Subject: Re: Omens for Tony - Bob Katter says privatised
# telecoms has been a DISASTER for the bush!
# Message-ID: <zR1co.4166$***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:38:26 +1000
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# On 22/08/2010 9:18 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
...
# > Bob Katter says 10 years of Howard destroyed rural and regional
# > Australia (and the ALP didn't fix it), and he believes privatised
# > telecommunications have been a disaster for the bush. That sinks
# > Tony.
# >
# > Rob Oakeshott wants the NBN. ;-)
#
# Tony Windsor is also a big fan of the NBN, he and the
# other two Ex-Nats believe that the NBN is critical to
# reversing the isolation of the Bush,
#
# Katter and Windsor have made a number of comments about
# their inability to communicate from their rural and
# regional locations during the campaign.

(Don't know why they can't just ring up Markie.. he can fix em up! ;-)

And it's THREE OF THEM who support the NBN, not just one, you
really should start to READ posts by people who know what's
going on, not SNIPPING them and replacing facts with YOUR
brainless abuse! B^]

Get your head out of your arse, and stop listening to Seon,
even if he is smarter than you..

... cos THAT'S NO GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Seon can't even scroll down! B^D

His ideas are less sophisticated than the average 4 year old.

Post by Sunny
bullshit.

More like BABY shit, ..And BARE FACED Lies,
so at least you two can communicate! B^D

# From: "Seon Ferguson" <***@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: The Bloody History of Atheism is not
# concealed by mere words, or by atheists snipping the FACTS
# Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:51:23 +1000
# Message-ID: <***@westnet.com.au>
#
# > No wonder that lying cowardly dishonest little troll,
# > Seon, snipped all that!
# >
# I didn't snip anything
# ...
# your posts are too long so I snip them

Only an even BIGGER fucktard than Seon could take him seriously..

Oh wait.. THAT'S YOU!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAH

Send me an invitation to the wedding..

Post by Sunny
(That will solve all the needs of the "Bush")

But Didn't Seon say he shaved it for you before sex! B^D

Something about it made your cock look bigger, in his hand.

Nemo me impune lacessit!
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

atec77

2010-09-05 02:46:33 UTC

Hell will freeze over before you get accepted and labour offers you even
less

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

Seon

2010-09-05 03:15:04 UTC

Post by atec77

Hell will freeze over before you get accepted and labour offers you even
less

At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Post by atec77
--
X-No-Archive: Yes

Petzl

2010-09-05 03:38:52 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Quite frankly if you pass for a public service job you can easily do
much better (don't short sell yourself) Not that the public service
does not have opportunity and after your "probation" period look
around internally
Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu et mon droit" God is my legal right

Seon

2010-09-05 04:53:31 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

I might be able to do much better but I tried gaining employment the private
sector and it's hard for someone like me to get a job with not much
experience. Maybe that will change in 6 months when this job trains me up.
But I actually like the idea of getting involved in the government. I know
that's a long way off but I want to work somewhere that I can make a
difference, not just a typical 9-5 job.

Post by Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu et mon droit" God is my legal right

Petzl

2010-09-05 05:36:33 UTC

Post by Seon
I might be able to do much better but I tried gaining employment the private
sector and it's hard for someone like me to get a job with not much
experience. Maybe that will change in 6 months when this job trains me up.
But I actually like the idea of getting involved in the government. I know
that's a long way off but I want to work somewhere that I can make a
difference, not just a typical 9-5 job.

Sounds all good.
Just be a bit aggressive and look around for positions internal to
public service (after probation)
If you are born in Scotland it might pay to look at taking an
affirmation for Australian citizenship (you can still hold both)
Politics are also an option (both sides pay well)
Petzl
--
Is Gillard Australian? Is Abbott?
Robert Wood was elected in 1987 to take his seat in the Senate in 1988. The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145), declared Woods election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the time of his election.

Hunter

2010-09-05 06:37:53 UTC

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess that
Seon is already one or the other.

Addinall

2010-09-05 06:58:44 UTC

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess that
Seon is already one or the other.

You need to be an Australian citizen. Residency no longer cuts it,
and hasn't for quite a long time. Same goes for state.

Mark Addinall.

Petzl

2010-09-05 07:50:38 UTC

On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 23:58:44 -0700 (PDT), Addinall

Post by Petzl
If you are born in Scotland it might pay to look at taking an
affirmation for Australian citizenship (you can still hold both)

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess that
Seon is already one or the other.

You need to be an Australian citizen. Residency no longer cuts it,
and hasn't for quite a long time. Same goes for state.
Mark Addinall.

This is what "Robert Wood" (born in UK) thought in fact he believed he
was an Australian citizen even the Australian Government thought he
was calling him up (drafted) for service in Vietnam. Bob Hawke thought
different, The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR
145) confirmed Wood's Australian "citizenship" was invalid prior to
the time of his election to Senate.
To "dot" the "I's" and cross the "T's" one born overseas need to take
affirmation (or Oath which is a plus) for Australian citizenship (you
can still hold both). When trouble strikes doing it afterwards don't
count.
Neither Gillard or Abbott are Australian citizens according to that
High court decision
Petzl
--
Is Gillard Australian? Is Abbott?
Robert Wood was elected in 1987 to take his seat in the Senate in 1988. The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145), declared Woods election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the time of his election.

Hunter

2010-09-05 08:35:00 UTC

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess that
Seon is already one or the other.

You need to be an Australian citizen. Residency no longer cuts it,
and hasn't for quite a long time. Same goes for state.

Nope, not true in WA. I work with a number of permanent employees who
are permanent residents, although 2 in my department have become
citizens in the meantime over the last year or two, and it's such a
fucking great country why wouldn't you?

Especially with a prick like me going on about it being better to be an
Aussie all the time! Probably didn't help when the first got her
citizenship and my first line of congratulations to her was "Congrats!
Now you'll get fined if you forget to vote too!" 8]

First thing I found from a quick search is the following note from a JDF
for a job in Department of the Auditor General advertised in 2009.

**- To be eligible for permanent appointment to the WA public service it
is essential that you have permanent resident status in Australia or an
entitlement to live and work indefinitely in Australia. However, an
applicant who has or can obtain an entitlement to live and work in
Australia may be considered for fixed-term employment for up to 12
months whilst seeking to obtain permanent resident status, or an
entitlement to live and work indefinitely in Australia, as required for
permanent appointment. -**

http://www.careercompass.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/Employment/viewFile.aspx?jobID=5886

Not sure about the other states though, I probably should have caveated
what I said with something indicating that my comments are based on the
WA public service, but I'd assumed that particular requirement would be
fairly standard.

Addinall

2010-09-05 09:51:26 UTC

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess that
Seon is already one or the other.

You need to be an Australian citizen. Residency no longer cuts it,
and hasn't for quite a long time. Same goes for state.

Hmmmm. WA may be different. I worked for Department of Minerals and
Petroleum a while ago as still a pom. To join the Fed public service
being an Australian
was a pre-requisite. Same here in QLD with DPW CITEC.

Post by Hunter
Especially with a prick like me going on about it being better to be an
Aussie all the time! Probably didn't help when the first got her
citizenship and my first line of congratulations to her was "Congrats!
Now you'll get fined if you forget to vote too!" 8]
First thing I found from a quick search is the following note from a JDF
for a job in Department of the Auditor General advertised in 2009.
**- To be eligible for permanent appointment to the WA public service it
is essential that you have permanent resident status in Australia or an
entitlement to live and work indefinitely in Australia. However, an
applicant who has or can obtain an entitlement to live and work in
Australia may be considered for fixed-term employment for up to 12
months whilst seeking to obtain permanent resident status, or an
entitlement to live and work indefinitely in Australia, as required for
permanent appointment. -**
http://www.careercompass.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/Employment/viewFile.as...
Not sure about the other states though, I probably should have caveated
what I said with something indicating that my comments are based on the
WA public service, but I'd assumed that particular requirement would be
fairly standard.

It isn't standard across states, and sure does not apply to Federal
Public servants.
Exceptions always exist, when I oked for the ABS the bloke next to me
was still a Kiwi.

Mark Addinall.

Seon

2010-09-05 07:47:09 UTC

Post by Seon
I might be able to do much better but I tried gaining employment the
private sector and it's hard for someone like me to get a job with not
much experience. Maybe that will change in 6 months when this job trains
me up. But I actually like the idea of getting involved in the
government. I know that's a long way off but I want to work somewhere
that I can make a difference, not just a typical 9-5 job.

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess that
Seon is already one or the other.

That's what I was going to say. They wouldn't have let me in if I hadn't
given them my citizenship document.

Hunter

2010-09-05 08:58:45 UTC

Post by Seon
I might be able to do much better but I tried gaining employment the
private sector and it's hard for someone like me to get a job with
not much experience. Maybe that will change in 6 months when this
job trains me up. But I actually like the idea of getting involved
in the government. I know that's a long way off but I want to work
somewhere that I can make a difference, not just a typical 9-5 job.

You need to be an Aussie citizen or a permanent resident to get a
permanent public service position in the first place, and I'd guess
that Seon is already one or the other.

That's what I was going to say. They wouldn't have let me in if I hadn't
given them my citizenship document.

That would indicate that you have been appointed to a permanent position
then? No such requirement for contract staff. If so then
congratulations, providing you don't turn out to be a right royal fuckup
your employment is guaranteed. Nice to know the bills will always be
paid huh? 8]

Seon

2010-09-05 07:46:31 UTC

Actually I have one, well my mother got one so I assume I am an Australian
citizen.

Post by Petzl
--
Is Gillard Australian? Is Abbott?
Robert Wood was elected in 1987 to take his seat in the Senate in 1988.
The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145), declared
Wood's election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the
time of his election.

Petzl

2010-09-05 07:59:50 UTC

Post by Seon
Actually I have one, well my mother got one so I assume I am an Australian
citizen.

My understanding also
http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/
Not for Robert Wood?
Would not hurt to ring (AFTER EMPLOYMENT)
Petzl
--
Is Gillard Australian? Is Abbott?
Robert Wood was elected in 1987 to take his seat in the Senate in 1988. The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145), declared Woods election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the time of his election.

Hunter

2010-09-05 09:13:49 UTC

Post by Seon
Actually I have one, well my mother got one so I assume I am an Australian
citizen.

My understanding also
http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/
Not for Robert Wood?
Would not hurt to ring (AFTER EMPLOYMENT)
Petzl
--
Is Gillard Australian?

Yes.

Post by Petzl
Is Abbott?

Yes.

Post by Petzl
Robert Wood was elected in 1987 to take his seat in the Senate in 1988. The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145), declared Wood’s election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the time of his election.

That's because he wasn't an Australian citizen at that time you retard.

**- Both Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott
were born in the UK and were forced to renounce their British
citizenship before standing for Parliament. They had to consciously
commit to being wholly, solely Australian before the people cast their
votes.

The High Court has had to rule on this, with elected representatives Rob
Wood in the late 1980s and Heather Hill in the late 1990s having to
relinquish their seats in the Senate because of problems of dual
allegiances. It was a problem that neither saw coming, but the court's
decisions made legal history. -**

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/proud-to-belong-as-an-australian-citizen/story-e6frerdf-1225886347266

Hunter

2010-09-05 08:59:41 UTC

Actually I have one, well my mother got one so I assume I am an
Australian citizen.

If she was Australian when you were born I think that you are by default
an Australian. Don't quote me on that though, too tired to be bothered
looking it up.

Hunter

2010-09-05 06:35:45 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

I might be able to do much better but I tried gaining employment the
private sector and it's hard for someone like me to get a job with not
much experience.

It's hard in private and public to get anything other than a trivial job
with limited education and no work history, that's fairly standard. The
"foot in the door" is an important thing to start building up a work
history.

Post by Seon
Maybe that will change in 6 months when this job trains
me up.

One of the reasons employers, both private and public, don't like taking
new blood like yourself, because you're most likely to be jumping ship
after you've obtained a work history for something better! 8] But
that's the way the workforce is, and it's pretty much expected, and
certainly not a bad thing.

A bad thing is still sitting in that "starting" position in 5 years,
shows a lack of motivation and/or ability. Get to know people there, get
the "vibe" of the place, and then when higher level jobs are advertised
you'll be able to feel out the reality of the job and decide whether you
yourself should be going for it. And don't be afraid to apply for jobs
outside of your agency if they are better jobs than what you are
currently doing and you feel you can do them.

Post by Seon
But I actually like the idea of getting involved in the
government. I know that's a long way off but I want to work somewhere
that I can make a difference, not just a typical 9-5 job.

Don't get stars in your eyes about work in the public service Seon. Work
in private makes just as much of a difference as work in the public
sector, my time doing navigation for oil exploration helped our economy
just as much as my current job working in IT for ed. Both the oil
industry and education pump a lot of money into our economy.

The best way to make a decision between public and private is to look at
the pros and cons. The pros of public service are real permanency, so a
guaranteed income as long as you are capable of doing your job which
makes planning the future much more stable.

If you are permanent then even if your position is cut you will be
re-deployed to another position in government that you are capable of
doing. All jobs to be advertised first go through redeployment clearance
and if someone capable of doing the job is on the list the job is not
advertised and the best redeployee gets the role. Not an ideal system
for getting the best man for the job, but it's a trade off on the fact
they don't pay as much as private and give you the carrot of job
security instead, and if they do end up being clowns that can't do the
job they are just passed back to redeployment and the job is advertised.

Real permanency wont just fall on you by the way Seon unless you are
employed straight into a permanent role (much more likely at the ground
level), in many cases you'll be in a "contract" position after your
probation time is out of the way for a long period of time before
obtaining permanency. Happens a lot when people go on long-term
secondments and everyone down the line goes into "acting" positions
waiting to see if this person stays "gone" or comes back. Can sometimes
take years. Do you know if you're "acting" in someone's position? Or are
you in a vacated or newly created position? If it is a fresh position or
vacated you'll get there a shit-load quicker. Or were you hired directly
into a permanent role? I'm assuming you've hit the equivalent of a level
1 or level 2 role.

And then if you are on contract in an acting position, even if you've
been there for years you will need to compete with the public as your
job will be re-advertised as a permanent position. In theory they can
not even consider the fact you've been working with them for years and
doing the job well as a factor in appointing you other than the fact
that you do have a relevant work history (no personal knowledge can be
used in the decision-making process), but in reality? I'm sure you know
human nature, you don't want to fuck-over a known quantity doing a good
job for an unknown variable who may not do so, but that only helps to a
point, if you compete with someone who has been doing the job for a lot
longer and is a lot more impressive your time-up will mean nothing and
it'll be "thanks for the time with us Seon, we wish you the best of luck
in the future".

The cons are you generally get paid a fair wack less than what you'll be
paid in private for the same job (unless you work for Rudd's department
he set up conceitedly in the expectation the ETS would be in place,
being paid a shitload to do nothing), but whilst the bigger bucks are in
private there is nothing certain about your position and it's
continuity. Also you are more likely to be pidgeon-holed to a task and
never break out of it, it's much easier to move around in the public
service, and in many cases you'll get a much wider exposure to roles as
you will get roles acting in other positions, and because the public
service tends to run on a shoestring for what they want done you will
probably spend a lot of time working on stuff well outside of your role
to assist your department getting things done, giving you a much wider
experience-base.

As you can see there are a lot of advantages to work in the public
service, but the big one being money is not a reason to go that way. I
work public service mainly for two reasons, love the team I've been
working with for the past 10 odd years, couldn't find a mob like that
elsewhere in IT I don't think (in public or private), and because I like
a guaranteed income. I already make more than I need so the bigger
pay-packet carrot doesn't really impress me all that much. This was
reinforced with the GFC when many of the guys who had built up an
experience-base and bailed for jobs in mining came back hoping for a job
after lay-offs, and we couldn't give them a job as all roles were
filled. I do not like being without a pay-packet, in fact I detest the
situation. I'll stick with lower pay and higher job security! 8]

And you aren't likely to get directly involved in politics purely from
working in the public service. Even in relation to their direct staffers
how many of them do you find becoming politicians themselves? You'd need
to actually pick a tune of politics which you have decided to stick
with, join up with their party and start networking. Also be prepared to
adopt a fairly cut-throat competitiveness. You'd also need to have a
completely different attitude to what you display in usenet, wishy-washy
opinion bouncing wont cut it at all. And I'm not having a go at you by
saying that, just trying to give you honest advice.

Seon

2010-09-05 08:01:50 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

I might be able to do much better but I tried gaining employment the
private sector and it's hard for someone like me to get a job with not
much experience.

Well I have a bachelor degree and have done 2 courses but yeah I do lack
experience and I understand why. I might not work out and they would have to
go through the trouble of firing me and hiring someone else. One of the
reasons I got this was because I'm with an employment agency so if I don't
work out they can just send me back to them with no pressure. It might be a
foot in the door job but I am still proud I got one after so long.

Post by Seon
Maybe that will change in 6 months when this job trains me up.

One of the reasons employers, both private and public, don't like taking
new blood like yourself, because you're most likely to be jumping ship
after you've obtained a work history for something better! 8] But that's
the way the workforce is, and it's pretty much expected, and certainly not
a bad thing.
A bad thing is still sitting in that "starting" position in 5 years, shows
a lack of motivation and/or ability. Get to know people there, get the
"vibe" of the place, and then when higher level jobs are advertised you'll
be able to feel out the reality of the job and decide whether you yourself
should be going for it. And don't be afraid to apply for jobs outside of
your agency if they are better jobs than what you are currently doing and
you feel you can do them.

Yeah that was one of the concerns of someone who almost hired me, except he
was concerned I would go to the public service. I wouldn't jump ship so soon
but I wouldn't stay in the same APS1 job for 5 years. I'd look for other
positions within the company. I don't think I want to work anywhere else,
it's perfect for me. I may look for other jobs when I gain more experience
but I'm pretty happy working in the company I'm working in.

Post by Seon
But I actually like the idea of getting involved in the government. I
know that's a long way off but I want to work somewhere that I can make a
difference, not just a typical 9-5 job.

True and they are other places in the private sector that make a difference
as well.

Post by Hunter
The best way to make a decision between public and private is to look at
the pros and cons. The pros of public service are real permanency, so a
guaranteed income as long as you are capable of doing your job which makes
planning the future much more stable.
If you are permanent then even if your position is cut you will be
re-deployed to another position in government that you are capable of
doing. All jobs to be advertised first go through redeployment clearance
and if someone capable of doing the job is on the list the job is not
advertised and the best redeployee gets the role. Not an ideal system for
getting the best man for the job, but it's a trade off on the fact they
don't pay as much as private and give you the carrot of job security
instead, and if they do end up being clowns that can't do the job they are
just passed back to redeployment and the job is advertised.
Real permanency wont just fall on you by the way Seon unless you are
employed straight into a permanent role (much more likely at the ground
level), in many cases you'll be in a "contract" position after your
probation time is out of the way for a long period of time before
obtaining permanency. Happens a lot when people go on long-term
secondments and everyone down the line goes into "acting" positions
waiting to see if this person stays "gone" or comes back. Can sometimes
take years. Do you know if you're "acting" in someone's position? Or are
you in a vacated or newly created position? If it is a fresh position or
vacated you'll get there a shit-load quicker. Or were you hired directly
into a permanent role? I'm assuming you've hit the equivalent of a level 1
or level 2 role.
And then if you are on contract in an acting position, even if you've been
there for years you will need to compete with the public as your job will
be re-advertised as a permanent position. In theory they can not even
consider the fact you've been working with them for years and doing the
job well as a factor in appointing you other than the fact that you do
have a relevant work history (no personal knowledge can be used in the
decision-making process), but in reality? I'm sure you know human nature,
you don't want to fuck-over a known quantity doing a good job for an
unknown variable who may not do so, but that only helps to a point, if you
compete with someone who has been doing the job for a lot longer and is a
lot more impressive your time-up will mean nothing and it'll be "thanks
for the time with us Seon, we wish you the best of luck in the future".

Yep that's one reason I feel safer in the public sector. If I was in the
private sector when my position got cut that's it. It's a newly created role
but it's actually 6 months prohibition so it isn't permanent. But everyone
starts on that anyway, right? so I'm not acting in anyone's position or
anything.

Post by Hunter
The cons are you generally get paid a fair wack less than what you'll be
paid in private for the same job (unless you work for Rudd's department he
set up conceitedly in the expectation the ETS would be in place, being
paid a shitload to do nothing), but whilst the bigger bucks are in private
there is nothing certain about your position and it's continuity. Also you
are more likely to be pidgeon-holed to a task and never break out of it,
it's much easier to move around in the public service, and in many cases
you'll get a much wider exposure to roles as you will get roles acting in
other positions, and because the public service tends to run on a
shoestring for what they want done you will probably spend a lot of time
working on stuff well outside of your role to assist your department
getting things done, giving you a much wider experience-base.

Yeah that uncertainly was one factor I preferred to work in the public
sector. But hey if someone in the private sector had hired me I certainly
wouldn't object. It's just the lack of experience was getting a lot of knock
backs so I had to go for low level positions but even they needed
experience.

Post by Hunter
As you can see there are a lot of advantages to work in the public
service, but the big one being money is not a reason to go that way. I
work public service mainly for two reasons, love the team I've been
working with for the past 10 odd years, couldn't find a mob like that
elsewhere in IT I don't think (in public or private), and because I like a
guaranteed income. I already make more than I need so the bigger
pay-packet carrot doesn't really impress me all that much. This was
reinforced with the GFC when many of the guys who had built up an
experience-base and bailed for jobs in mining came back hoping for a job
after lay-offs, and we couldn't give them a job as all roles were filled.
I do not like being without a pay-packet, in fact I detest the situation.
I'll stick with lower pay and higher job security! 8]

Exactly, if you like the team and earn what you need then why look for other
jobs? That's where I am at right now. I don't plan on doing this for 5
years, as I already told you, but I do enjoy my work and team etc as well.

Post by Hunter
And you aren't likely to get directly involved in politics purely from
working in the public service. Even in relation to their direct staffers
how many of them do you find becoming politicians themselves? You'd need
to actually pick a tune of politics which you have decided to stick with,
join up with their party and start networking. Also be prepared to adopt a
fairly cut-throat competitiveness. You'd also need to have a completely
different attitude to what you display in usenet, wishy-washy opinion
bouncing wont cut it at all. And I'm not having a go at you by saying
that, just trying to give you honest advice.

Oh I don't want to actually get elected or anything. What I mean is I want a
job where I am involved in politics or maybe being a staffer for someone or
something. But I thought you had to keep your political opinion to yourself
in the public service. That's why I changed my mind yet again and said I
will support whoever becomes PM no matter what. I also want to avoid talking
about politics at work. When the topic comes up I'll just say "I just
support whoever's in charge, as long as I can keep my job" but if I do
become a staffer or something I suppose you're right, I'll have to finally
make up my mind.

Petzl

2010-09-05 08:23:51 UTC

Post by Seon
Well I have a bachelor degree and have done 2 courses but yeah I do lack
experience and I understand why. I might not work out and they would have to
go through the trouble of firing me and hiring someone else. One of the
reasons I got this was because I'm with an employment agency so if I don't
work out they can just send me back to them with no pressure. It might be a
foot in the door job but I am still proud I got one after so long.

You can now call yourself a scientist
Your Masters is easy after bachelor's you know?
Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu et mon droit" God is my legal right

Hunter

2010-09-05 09:57:22 UTC

Post by Hunter
It's hard in private and public to get anything other than a trivial
job with limited education and no work history, that's fairly
standard. The "foot in the door" is an important thing to start
building up a work history.

Well I have a bachelor degree and have done 2 courses but yeah I do lack
experience and I understand why.

Bachelor degree in what though and where from?

Post by Seon
I might not work out and they would
have to go through the trouble of firing me and hiring someone else. One
of the reasons I got this was because I'm with an employment agency so
if I don't work out they can just send me back to them with no pressure.
It might be a foot in the door job but I am still proud I got one after
so long.

Ahh hang on, so you're on some sort of "cadet" or experience style
program? That means you don't really "have the job" yet. Don't let that
phase you, the best applicant for a position is very often the person
who's been doing the job when you're looking at entry-level positions.
Or are you in a non-position doing experience? At the very least it'll
familiarise you with the environment and working, and if you do a good
enough job I'm sure they'll point you in the right direction to get a
proper gig as positions come up.

Post by Hunter
One of the reasons employers, both private and public, don't like
taking new blood like yourself, because you're most likely to be
jumping ship after you've obtained a work history for something
better! 8] But that's the way the workforce is, and it's pretty much
expected, and certainly not a bad thing.
A bad thing is still sitting in that "starting" position in 5 years,
shows a lack of motivation and/or ability. Get to know people there,
get the "vibe" of the place, and then when higher level jobs are
advertised you'll be able to feel out the reality of the job and
decide whether you yourself should be going for it. And don't be
afraid to apply for jobs outside of your agency if they are better
jobs than what you are currently doing and you feel you can do them.

Yeah that was one of the concerns of someone who almost hired me, except
he was concerned I would go to the public service. I wouldn't jump ship
so soon but I wouldn't stay in the same APS1 job for 5 years. I'd look
for other positions within the company. I don't think I want to work
anywhere else, it's perfect for me. I may look for other jobs when I
gain more experience but I'm pretty happy working in the company I'm
working in.

Take as much interest as you can (while making sure you get your own job
done, that's the most important thing) in other duties, help people out
wherever you can and learn as much as you can about the jobs they do.
Best way to make sure you're capable of filling higher level positions
as they become available. It will also be appreciated by the team. One
of the things that pisses me off more than most things at work is those
with the attitude "sorry, I don't get paid for that, I'll do it when I
am getting paid for that." Those sorts invariably will not get those
positions because their selfish attitude by its very nature precludes
them from ever gaining the skills and knowledge they'd need to take on
those positions, and I make a point of vehemently objecting to those
types taking acting positions when other's go on long term leave, and
push it towards those that do go above and beyond to assist. Luckily
these days we don't really have any like that (in my department at
least). Perhaps lack of opportunity caused them to move on? 8]

Post by Hunter
Don't get stars in your eyes about work in the public service Seon.
Work in private makes just as much of a difference as work in the
public sector, my time doing navigation for oil exploration helped our
economy just as much as my current job working in IT for ed. Both the
oil industry and education pump a lot of money into our economy.

True and they are other places in the private sector that make a
difference as well.

Anything that contributes to the country in any way (not just $) "makes
a difference".

Post by Hunter
The best way to make a decision between public and private is to look
at the pros and cons. The pros of public service are real permanency,
so a guaranteed income as long as you are capable of doing your job
which makes planning the future much more stable.
If you are permanent then even if your position is cut you will be
re-deployed to another position in government that you are capable of
doing. All jobs to be advertised first go through redeployment
clearance and if someone capable of doing the job is on the list the
job is not advertised and the best redeployee gets the role. Not an
ideal system for getting the best man for the job, but it's a trade
off on the fact they don't pay as much as private and give you the
carrot of job security instead, and if they do end up being clowns
that can't do the job they are just passed back to redeployment and
the job is advertised.
Real permanency wont just fall on you by the way Seon unless you are
employed straight into a permanent role (much more likely at the
ground level), in many cases you'll be in a "contract" position after
your probation time is out of the way for a long period of time before
obtaining permanency. Happens a lot when people go on long-term
secondments and everyone down the line goes into "acting" positions
waiting to see if this person stays "gone" or comes back. Can
sometimes take years. Do you know if you're "acting" in someone's
position? Or are you in a vacated or newly created position? If it is
a fresh position or vacated you'll get there a shit-load quicker. Or
were you hired directly into a permanent role? I'm assuming you've hit
the equivalent of a level 1 or level 2 role.
And then if you are on contract in an acting position, even if you've
been there for years you will need to compete with the public as your
job will be re-advertised as a permanent position. In theory they can
not even consider the fact you've been working with them for years and
doing the job well as a factor in appointing you other than the fact
that you do have a relevant work history (no personal knowledge can be
used in the decision-making process), but in reality? I'm sure you
know human nature, you don't want to fuck-over a known quantity doing
a good job for an unknown variable who may not do so, but that only
helps to a point, if you compete with someone who has been doing the
job for a lot longer and is a lot more impressive your time-up will
mean nothing and it'll be "thanks for the time with us Seon, we wish
you the best of luck in the future".

Yep that's one reason I feel safer in the public sector. If I was in the
private sector when my position got cut that's it. It's a newly created
role but it's actually 6 months prohibition so it isn't permanent. But
everyone starts on that anyway, right? so I'm not acting in anyone's
position or anything.

Is it a job that's been created as a permanent position? And were you
hired on as a permanent subject to probationary period? If so
congratulations, you're in the door. But if you were just sent there
from your job agency with no selection process it's more likely it's a
temporary position, but still a good thing.

Post by Hunter
The cons are you generally get paid a fair wack less than what you'll
be paid in private for the same job (unless you work for Rudd's
department he set up conceitedly in the expectation the ETS would be
in place, being paid a shitload to do nothing), but whilst the bigger
bucks are in private there is nothing certain about your position and
it's continuity. Also you are more likely to be pidgeon-holed to a
task and never break out of it, it's much easier to move around in the
public service, and in many cases you'll get a much wider exposure to
roles as you will get roles acting in other positions, and because the
public service tends to run on a shoestring for what they want done
you will probably spend a lot of time working on stuff well outside of
your role to assist your department getting things done, giving you a
much wider experience-base.

Yeah that uncertainly was one factor I preferred to work in the public
sector. But hey if someone in the private sector had hired me I
certainly wouldn't object. It's just the lack of experience was getting
a lot of knock backs so I had to go for low level positions but even
they needed experience.

I don't think it's so much that entry level "needs" experience, it's
more a case that employers will take experienced over non-experienced.
The first foot in the door is the hardest thing to achieve. From what
you've said elsewhere this sounds like part of some employment program?
If not for that I think you'll have found the public service just as
hard to break into. I've had to go through 50 - 60 applications for some
jobs (and I'm lucky, non IT areas have to go through a shitload more
than that) and quite often the first thing I'd do is drop all of those
with no prior relevant work history or straight out of education into
the pile of "not these ones". It's hard on those trying to get their
feet in the door, but at the end of the day you want the best person for
the job and only have those bits of paper to go on. If there's no meat
there to evaluate and others do have work history, you're going to take
them first. Just the way it goes, don't have time to interview everyone.

Post by Hunter
As you can see there are a lot of advantages to work in the public
service, but the big one being money is not a reason to go that way. I
work public service mainly for two reasons, love the team I've been
working with for the past 10 odd years, couldn't find a mob like that
elsewhere in IT I don't think (in public or private), and because I
like a guaranteed income. I already make more than I need so the
bigger pay-packet carrot doesn't really impress me all that much. This
was reinforced with the GFC when many of the guys who had built up an
experience-base and bailed for jobs in mining came back hoping for a
job after lay-offs, and we couldn't give them a job as all roles were
filled. I do not like being without a pay-packet, in fact I detest the
situation. I'll stick with lower pay and higher job security! 8]

Exactly, if you like the team and earn what you need then why look for
other jobs? That's where I am at right now. I don't plan on doing this
for 5 years, as I already told you, but I do enjoy my work and team etc
as well.

Always a damn good start.

Post by Hunter
And you aren't likely to get directly involved in politics purely from
working in the public service. Even in relation to their direct
staffers how many of them do you find becoming politicians themselves?
You'd need to actually pick a tune of politics which you have decided
to stick with, join up with their party and start networking. Also be
prepared to adopt a fairly cut-throat competitiveness. You'd also need
to have a completely different attitude to what you display in usenet,
wishy-washy opinion bouncing wont cut it at all. And I'm not having a
go at you by saying that, just trying to give you honest advice.

Not at all, as long as it is "your" opinion being stated. You'll be told
when confidentiality applies. Best rule of thumb is don't speak about
what specifically happens at work unless you're sure you can, if you're
not sure then don't. Same is true in private really. As for opinions on
politics in general, everyone's entitled to one, say what you like. One
exception over here in WA at least is we can't work on anything
electoral without getting permission first. But then we're not allowed
to do any outside work without declaring it, but that's more about
checking for conflict of interest. The electoral warning gets sent out
to us each election outside of the scope of that rule however,
presumably because voluntary work would not be covered by the outside
employment rule.

Post by Seon
That's why I changed my mind
yet again and said I will support whoever becomes PM no matter what. I
also want to avoid talking about politics at work. When the topic comes
up I'll just say "I just support whoever's in charge, as long as I can
keep my job" but if I do become a staffer or something I suppose you're
right, I'll have to finally make up my mind.

You can say what you like about politics at work, but bare in mind human
nature. If your boss is a die-hard Labor supporter and you start
spitting at Labor it could have adverse effects on you if he/she's less
than scrupulous. But then if he/she's a raving mad believer in
star-signs and you start saying that it's all a crock of shit the same
is also true. Just beware of human nature, there's no specific problem
with talking politics.

Addinall

2010-09-05 06:56:42 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Join the Army.

Mark Addinall.

Post by Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu et mon droit" God is my legal right- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 07:30:16 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Join the Army.

8^o

Are you sure you want him to have a weapon?

He tends to change his mind frequently
...about which side he's on!!! B^D

Bj thinks that's endearing,

But Seon is likely to shoot both ways,

Could be effective if you parachute him in the MIDDLE
of enemy territory.

Post by Addinall
Mark Addinall.

Post by Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu et mon droit" God is my legal right- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Seon

2010-09-05 08:02:47 UTC

Post by Seon
At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Join the Army.
Mark Addinall.

I'll fail basic training, bad feet.
Besides, I have a job now. Why would I want to leave it?

Hunter

2010-09-05 05:51:57 UTC

Post by atec77
Hell will freeze over before you get accepted and labour offers you
even less

At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Of course they will, and they'll create others. Both sides always have,
both side always will.

Seon

2010-09-05 08:03:59 UTC

Post by atec77
Hell will freeze over before you get accepted and labour offers you even
less

At least they won't cut public service jobs and I feel accepted now.

Of course they will, and they'll create others. Both sides always have,
both side always will.

Oh, even krudd? Oh well, if my job is cut I will have the experience to get
new experience. Hopefully in the same company because it's a great one to
work for.

B J Foster

2010-09-05 03:59:02 UTC

...
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, in northeast NSW, 54 per cent of
voters wanted the independents to support the Coalition, while 34 per
cent wanted them to back Labor".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626

Post by fasgnadh
.

Post by seon
Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

What would you, or he, know about facts, you stupid backflipping
nonentity? B^D

Seon is a responsible citizen

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

The only way anyone can ever develop and progress as a person is through
a preparedness to admit that they can be wrong.

Faghdagh however regards self-criticism as a weakness. His glib
expression of grandiose sense of self is symptomatic of a sociopath.

And referring to a fellow human being as a 'nonentity' is further
evidence of a cold person with a low EQ.

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 05:03:14 UTC

B J Foster having lost the argument on issues, trys psychobabble: B^D

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural
independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor
minority government than the coalition."
I continue to be impressed by the Independents position
that they are in the best position to asses the merits
of the offers from the major parties, not their constituents,
and certainly not the party hacks trying to blackmail and threaten
them into supporting the tory Coalition!
It's just good to see the righteous anger of the voters
at the attempts of Phony Tony to DUPE them about the Black
Hole in his economic management credibility and his deceitful
attempts to keep it hidden!!
"A Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday, published in
The Weekend Australian, shows 47 per cent want the ALP to get the
independents' support and 39 per cent want the coalition to form
government."
I have enormous faith in the Australian people, once they
know the FACTS! B^]

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

### There are two scenarios,
###
### 1. No re-run, in which case *only* the 3 seats are relevant.
##
## You think? Ok, resign from the other 72 you hold, and show
## us how irrelevant they are, you fucking retard!!!
##

BJ couldn't admit he was wrong on that one.. it's a weakness he has;

## BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

How does that make you feel you witless fuckwit? B^D

# Wotta moron.

Good, I have taught you TWO things today! B^D

Post by B J Foster
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...
voters wanted

It doesn't matter what they wanted for three reasons;
1. Katter won that seat on ALP preferences, he doesn't need the tories,
or their clumsy attempt to THREATEN and BLACKMAIL him.. but it's
fun to watch you try, and him mock you on National TV for doing so!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
2. Abbott can't provide stable government AND produce a speaker!
AND the entire nation is now aware of his $11,000,000,000 Black Hole
AND his deceitful attempt to COVER IT UP, Lie to the people, and
try to STEAl the election.
So the Independents won't back him! They are men of Integrity,
and Phony Tony is an untrustworthy scumbag! B^D
3. As Katter et al have said CONSISTENTLY, the independents will
make their decisions in the NATIONAL INTEREST, not in the
interests of any party or their supporters.. they are INDEPENDENTS
no part hacks like BJ, Hampster, Sunny and Green Limpdick..!
The independents will make their decisions based on the
information provided to them by the major parties in response to
the independents requests.. information which the constituents
do not have.. and so their OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS! B^]
Just like your own, equally ILL INFORMED!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Post by fasgnadh
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want
them to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

Shhh you'll confuse him with the facts.

Seon is a responsible citizen

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Neither apparently does BJ! B^D
Seon's stated basis for political decision making is that
he feared Tony Abbott might sack him from his job
in a taxpayer funded Sheltered Workshop! B^D
Sean is a windsock.... Oh,
... I see why you want to suck up to him! B^D
Lieberals RELY on gormless DUPES!

The only way anyone can ever develop and progress
as a person is through a preparedness to admit
that they can be wrong.

Well, it's not the ONLY way, but you are incapable
of admitting you are wrong!

And the problem for both you and Seon is that admitting
your wrongness needs to be followed BY CHANGE! B^D

Post by B J Foster
Faghdagh however regards self-criticism as a weakness.

Only in Seon's case, as he admits to being WEAK! B^D

Now, once again, you are shown to be witless, but
you are TOO WEAK to admit it! B^D

Post by B J Foster
And referring to a fellow human being as a 'nonentity' is further
evidence

No, BEING a nonentity is the evidence, in Seon's case it
supports his admission that he is one.

In yours, you are simply in denial, no matter how much evidence
you are presented with.

Post by B J Foster
Here we have a 1930s poster showing that Labor

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Your propaganda techniques are as outdated as the communications
you left the Bush with!

Post by B J Foster
This shows a commie 'worker' murdering a capitalist holding a banner
saying "work for the dole".

YOu have really missed the New Paradigm boat, haven't you,
you sad old, redundant, Class War Warrior!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 13:44:49 UTC

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

Post by B J Foster
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...
voters wanted

Post by fasgnadh
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want
them to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Bodes well for the Alp in ANY election re-run, eh? B^D

BRING IT ON! B^D

Of course the Independents only have their balance of power as
long as this parliament exists, so they will logically support the
party with the greatest number of seats in the Lower House, as that
will be more stable and poreserve their power.

As the polls show, now that Tony Maggott's duplicity and electoral
fraud has been exposed nationally, and his public support crashed,
the ALP is likely to rule in it's own right if another election is held!

Q.E.D.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

B J Foster

2010-09-04 19:53:44 UTC

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

There are two scenarios, moron.
1. No re-run, in which case *only* the 3 seats are relevant.
2. A re-run, in which case unless you are a deity, the outcome is
*hypothetical*

Post by B J Foster
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...

"..., in northeast NSW, 54 per cent of

Post by B J Foster
voters wanted

the independents to support the Coalition, while 34 per cent wanted
them to back Labor".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626

Suck it up, you twit - FIFTY-FOUR vs only THIRTY-FOUR.

Do the world a favour and give *yourself* the snip.

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 01:28:19 UTC

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

There are two scenarios,
moron.

I see you have chosen that one!

But that makes THREE: ! B^D

Post by B J Foster
1. No re-run, in which case *only* the 3 seats are relevant.

You think? Ok, resign from the other 72 you hold, and show
us how irrelevant they are, you fucking retard!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Post by B J Foster
2. A re-run, in which case

All seats are relevant!

Thanks for playing.. B^]

Next sad, desperate tory cretin who needs educating, please! B^D

Post by B J Foster
you are a deity

Kneel down And I will let you worship at the Sacred lingam, B^]

you stupid Lieberal Yoni! B^D

You have had plenty of practice as a tory Willie warmer!

Post by B J Foster
the outcome is *hypothetical*

Thus one in which EVERY SEAT IS RELEVANT! B^D

Do you need a tissue to wipe that from your chin?

B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...
voters wanted

It doesn't matter what they wanted for three reasons;
1. Katter won that seat on ALP preferences, he doesn't need the tories,
or their clumsy attempt to THREATEN and BLACKMAIL him.. but it's
fun to watch you try, and him mock you on National TV for doing so!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
2. Abbott can't provide stable government AND produce a speaker!
AND the entire nation is now aware of his $11,000,000,000 Black Hole
AND his deceitful attempt to COVER IT UP, Lie to the people, and
try to STEAl the election.
So the Independents won't back him! They are men of Integrity,
and Phony Tony is an untrustworthy scumbag! B^D
3. As Katter et al have said CONSISTENTLY, the independents will
make their decisions in the NATIONAL INTEREST, not in the
interests of any party or their supporters.. they are INDEPENDENTS
no part hacks like BJ, Hampster, Sunny and Green Limpdick..!
The independents will make their decisions based on the
information provided to them by the major parties in response to
the independents requests.. information which the constituents
do not have.. and so their OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS! B^]
Just like your own, equally ILL INFORMED!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Post by B J Foster
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and
Bob Katter -- head to a decision next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll
survey taken at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want
them to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and 39 per
cent want the Coalition to form government.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised to do,
they will still support the ALP! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"Meanwhile, a Telereach-JWS Research Poll published in Fairfax
newspapers on Saturday found 37 per cent of voters want the rural trio
to side with Labor compared with 31 per cent for Mr Abbott, while 26
per cent want another election.
The JWS poll of 4192 voters, conducted on Thursday, found that if
there was another election, the coalition would *lead* on the primary
vote by 44.9 per cent to 35.4 per cent, while the Greens would receive
13.8 per cent".
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

B J Foster

2010-09-05 04:03:54 UTC

...

Post by B J Foster
1. No re-run, in which case *only* the 3 seats are relevant.

You think? Ok, resign from the other 72 you hold, and show
us how irrelevant they are, you fucking retard!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Wotta moron.

Post by B J Foster
2. A re-run, in which case

<unsnip>
unless
</unsnip>

Post by B J Foster
you are a deity
the outcome is *hypothetical*

fasgnadh

2010-09-05 04:48:30 UTC

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural
independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor
minority government than the coalition."
I continue to be impressed by the Independents position
that they are in the best position to asses the merits
of the offers from the major parties, not their constituents,
and certainly not the party hacks trying to blackmail and threaten
them into supporting the tory Coalition!
It's just good to see the righteous anger of the voters
at the attempts of Phony Tony to DUPE them about the Black
Hole in his economic management credibility and his deceitful
attempts to keep it hidden!!
"A Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday, published in
The Weekend Australian, shows 47 per cent want the ALP to get the
independents' support and 39 per cent want the coalition to form
government."
I have enormous faith in the Australian people, once they
know the FACTS! B^]

"A Newspoll survey ... showed that

"MORE voters want the three rural independents to back a Labor
minority government than the Coalition

Not in the relevant seats

All seats are relevant in any re-run election, you retard! B^D

There are two scenarios,
moron.

I see you have chosen that one!
But that makes THREE: ! B^D

Post by B J Foster
1. No re-run, in which case *only* the 3 seats are relevant.

You think? Ok, resign from the other 72 you hold, and show
us how irrelevant they are, you fucking retard!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

How does that make you feel you witless fuckwit? B^D

Post by B J Foster
Wotta moron.

Good, I have taught you TWO things today! B^D

Post by B J Foster
2. A re-run, in which case

All seats are relevant!
Thanks for playing.. B^]
Next sad, desperate tory cretin who needs educating, please! B^D

Post by B J Foster
you are a deity

Kneel down And I will let you worship at the Sacred lingam, B^]
you stupid Lieberal Yoni! B^D
You have had plenty of practice as a tory Willie warmer!

Post by B J Foster
the outcome is *hypothetical*

Thus one in which EVERY SEAT IS RELEVANT! B^D
Do you need a tissue to wipe that from your chin?
B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"A Newspoll survey ... showed that in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, ...
voters wanted

It doesn't matter what they wanted for three reasons;
1. Katter won that seat on ALP preferences, he doesn't need the tories,
or their clumsy attempt to THREATEN and BLACKMAIL him.. but it's
fun to watch you try, and him mock you on National TV for doing so!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
2. Abbott can't provide stable government AND produce a speaker!
AND the entire nation is now aware of his $11,000,000,000 Black Hole
AND his deceitful attempt to COVER IT UP, Lie to the people, and
try to STEAl the election.
So the Independents won't back him! They are men of Integrity,
and Phony Tony is an untrustworthy scumbag! B^D
3. As Katter et al have said CONSISTENTLY, the independents will
make their decisions in the NATIONAL INTEREST, not in the
interests of any party or their supporters.. they are INDEPENDENTS
no part hacks like BJ, Hampster, Sunny and Green Limpdick..!
The independents will make their decisions based on the
information provided to them by the major parties in response to
the independents requests.. information which the constituents
do not have.. and so their OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS! B^]
Just like your own, equally ILL INFORMED!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Post by B J Foster
As the three incumbent independents -- Tony Windsor, Rob
Oakeshott and Bob Katter --head to a decision
next Monday or Tuesday, a Newspoll survey taken
at the beginning of the week suggests more voters want
them to back Labor.
According to the Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday,
47 per cent want the ALP to get the independents' support and
39 per cent want the Coalition to form government.

Post by B J Foster
in the seats of Kennedy, in far north
Queensland, and New England and Lyne, in northeast NSW,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/majority-of-voters-in-their-electorates-want-the-independents-to-back-labor/story-fn59niix-1225914017626

Post by B J Foster
The independents will ultimately follow the wishes of their electorate.

Katter won Kennedy on ALP preferences! B^D
Oakeshott won Lyne on ALP preferences! B^D
Windsor won on PRIMARIES, he gets 61.9% of the vote and
doesn't owe the nats a THING, nor does he respond to YOUR stupid
threasts! B^D
You gotta love that guy, he has more integrity than Phony Tony Abbott's
ENTIRE COALITION of CRONIES and CROOKS! B^D

Post by B J Foster
ROTFL.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If the independents follow the wishes of their electorates,
rather than follow the NATIONAL INTEREST as they have promised
to do, they will still support the ALP! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"Meanwhile, a Telereach-JWS Research Poll published in Fairfax
newspapers on Saturday found 37 per cent of voters want the rural trio
to side with Labor compared with 31 per cent for Mr Abbott, while 26
per cent want another election.
The JWS poll of 4192 voters, conducted on Thursday, found
that if there was another election, the coalition
would *lead* on the primary
vote by 44.9 per cent to 35.4 per cent, while the Greens
would receive 13.8 per cent".

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 05:38:23 UTC

BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS???? B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor minority
government than the coalition."

And the Stupid tories want another ELECTION?? Bewdy! Bring it ON!!

Help the ALP to rule IN THEIR OWN RIGHT!!! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
I continue to be impressed by the Independents position
that they are in the best position to asses the merits
of the offers from the major parties, not their constituents,
and certainly not the party hacks trying to blackmail and threaten
them into supporting the tory Coalition!
It's just good to see the righteous anger of the voters
at the attempts of Phony Tony to DUPE them about the Black
Hole in his economic management credibility and his deceitful
attempts to keep it hidden!!
"A Newspoll survey of 1134 voters on Monday and Tuesday, published in
The Weekend Australian, shows 47 per cent want the ALP to get the
independents' support and 39 per cent want the coalition to form
government."
I have enormous faith in the Australian people, once they
know the FACTS! B^]

Not in Lyne, Kennedy or New England,

Oh, you don't have to worry about those seats, the
Independents have already made it clear that THEY
are in a far better position to assess the merits of the
ALP and Lieberal offers than their constituents are,
and so they will make their decision IN THE **NATIONAL**
INTEREST, not the narrow sectional interests of you party HACKS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHA

BTW, everyone else knows what you seem to be totally IGNORANT about:

In Kennedy, ALP preferences got Katter elected. B^]

BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh?

And because the Lib-Nats have overplayed their hand with
OVERT BRIBES, followed by THREATS and Blackmail, the WHOLE NATION
has moved away from them.. and, as these 2 polls show, Phony
Tony will get crushed at any second election!!!!

THAT is the significance of the NATIONAL polls you..

Post by B J Foster
silly twit.

Your choices from here are severely limited, you can
keep bitching and whining about the Election which slips
FURTHER AWAY from your grubby grip each day, or you
can SUCK IT UP and accept you are a poor LOSER! B^D

Or .. BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS????

Ever since Phony Tony's $11,000,000,000 Black hole was exposed and the
reason he acted so deceitfully to keep it from being discovered was
revealed, the public, AND the independents, have been able to properly

Post by B J Foster
Thick or liar,

If you are generous you might think Abbott is the former, if
you are a realist you can see he is obviously deceitful.

Post by B J Foster
which are you?

I'm a realist.

You are just confirming what I told you! B^]

The Lib-Nats would GET THEIR ARSES KICKED in another election,
based on their LIES to the electorate in the last one!!

Post by B J Foster
while 26 per cent want another election.

They are the ones who REALLY want to stick it to the tory LIARS
who tried to deceive us all! B^D

Post by B J Foster
The JWS poll of 4192 voters, conducted on Thursday, found that if there
was another election, the coalition would *lead* on the primary vote by
44.9 per cent to 35.4 per cent, while the Greens would receive 13.8 per
cent".

So it would be a landslide to the ALP on Two Party Preferred!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

No wonder you tories are biting your own arms off in DESPAIR!!!

Post by B J Foster
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

Sunny

2010-09-04 05:55:18 UTC

"fasgnadh" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uXkgo.5319$***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

<snip usual rabid rant>

Change your pills to ones that work

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 06:29:41 UTC

Post by Sunny
<snip usual

As the tories lose heart they drift off into small groups
who huddle together and sob... B^D

BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS???? B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor minority
government than the coalition."

And the Stupid tories want another ELECTION?? Bewdy! Bring it ON!!
Help the ALP to rule IN THEIR OWN RIGHT!!! B^D

Not in Lyne, Kennedy or New England,

Oh, you don't have to worry about those seats, the
Independents have already made it clear that THEY
are in a far better position to assess the merits of the
ALP and Lieberal offers than their constituents are,
and so they will make their decision IN THE **NATIONAL**
INTEREST, not the narrow sectional interests of you party HACKS!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHA
In Kennedy, ALP preferences got Katter elected. B^]
BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh?
And because the Lib-Nats have overplayed their hand with
OVERT BRIBES, followed by THREATS and Blackmail, the WHOLE NATION
has moved away from them.. and, as these 2 polls show, Phony
Tony will get crushed at any second election!!!!
THAT is the significance of the NATIONAL polls you..

Post by B J Foster
silly twit.

Your choices from here are severely limited, you can
keep bitching and whining about the Election which slips
FURTHER AWAY from your grubby grip each day, or you
can SUCK IT UP and accept you are a poor LOSER! B^D
Or .. BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS????
Ever since Phony Tony's $11,000,000,000 Black hole was exposed and the
reason he acted so deceitfully to keep it from being discovered was
revealed, the public, AND the independents, have been able to properly

Post by B J Foster
Thick or liar,

If you are generous you might think Abbott is the former, if
you are a realist you can see he is obviously deceitful.

Post by B J Foster
which are you?

I'm a realist.

You are just confirming what I told you! B^]
The Lib-Nats would GET THEIR ARSES KICKED in another election,
based on their LIES to the electorate in the last one!!

Post by B J Foster
while 26 per cent want another election.

They are the ones who REALLY want to stick it to the tory LIARS
who tried to deceive us all! B^D

So it would be a landslide to the ALP on Two Party Preferred!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
No wonder you tories are biting your own arms off in DESPAIR!!!

Post by B J Foster
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

rabid rant>

Thanks for warning us of the feeble shite you are about to

Post by Sunny
Change your pills to ones that work

I don't take pills, and I don't share your belief
that yours are working!

I thought Phony Tony was PISS-WEAK but you are TRULY pathetic! B^D
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

Sunny

2010-09-04 06:36:59 UTC

On a good day you're a half-wit.
You are deficient in all that lends character.
You have the personality of wallpaper.

B J Foster

2010-09-04 06:40:34 UTC

Post by Sunny
On a good day you're a half-wit.
You are deficient in all that lends character.
You have the personality of wallpaper.

You misspelled 'toilet'

Sunny

2010-09-04 06:52:08 UTC

Post by Sunny
On a good day you're a half-wit.
You are deficient in all that lends character.
You have the personality of wallpaper.

You misspelled 'toilet'

I wonder if fagnuts has been bitten by a rabid dog ?

B J Foster

2010-09-04 12:45:21 UTC

Post by Sunny
On a good day you're a half-wit.
You are deficient in all that lends character.
You have the personality of wallpaper.

You misspelled 'toilet'

I wonder if fagnuts has been bitten by a rabid dog ?

He bit himself?

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 13:18:06 UTC

Post by Sunny
<snip usual

It's the only tactic the poor desperate Lieberal Losers have left! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
As the tories lose heart they drift off into small groups
who huddle together and sob... B^D

I have not only called this election for the ALP,

I can actually call the Lieberal tools SHOTS for them! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."

The more people see of the gutless lies and deception from
Phony Tony and the Black Hole boys, the more certain the ALP
is to win any re-run election! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!

BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS???? B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor minority
government than the coalition."

I'm sire the independents, aware that they could be back to
the polls if a stable government can't be formed, will
take that into account! B^D

And the Stupid tories want another ELECTION?? Bewdy! Bring it ON!!
Help the ALP to rule IN THEIR OWN RIGHT!!! B^D

I have BJ and Sunny so terrified at that prospect they
can no longer debate me.. instead, in every one of their
posts they have SNIPPED ALL THE FACTS.. and just (mass)debate
EACH OTHER!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

Not in Lyne, Kennedy or New England,

Bj and Sunny can't refute the truth, so they RUN FROM IT! B^D

In Kennedy, ALP preferences got Katter elected. B^]
BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh?
And because the Lib-Nats have overplayed their hand with
OVERT BRIBES, followed by THREATS and Blackmail, the WHOLE NATION
has moved away from them.. and, as these 2 polls show, Phony
Tony will get crushed at any second election!!!!
THAT is the significance of the NATIONAL polls you..

Post by B J Foster
silly twit.

Your choices from here are severely limited, you can
keep bitching and whining about the Election which slips
FURTHER AWAY from your grubby grip each day, or you
can SUCK IT UP and accept you are a poor LOSER! B^D
Or .. BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS????
Ever since Phony Tony's $11,000,000,000 Black hole was exposed and the
reason he acted so deceitfully to keep it from being discovered was
revealed, the public, AND the independents, have been able to properly

Post by B J Foster
Thick or liar,

If you are generous you might think Abbott is the former, if
you are a realist you can see he is obviously deceitful.

Post by B J Foster
which are you?

I'm a realist.

You are just confirming what I told you! B^]
The Lib-Nats would GET THEIR ARSES KICKED in another election,
based on their LIES to the electorate in the last one!!

No wonder BJ and Sunny have abandoned the field, they have sniffed
DEFEAT! B^D

Post by B J Foster
while 26 per cent want another election.

They are the ones who REALLY want to stick it to the tory LIARS
who tried to deceive us all! B^D

So it would be a landslide to the ALP on Two Party Preferred!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
No wonder you tories are biting your own arms off in DESPAIR!!!

Post by B J Foster
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independents-to-back-labor-20100904-14uqw.html

rabid rant>

Thanks for warning us of the feeble shite you are about to

Post by Sunny
Change your pills to ones that work

I don't take pills, and I don't share your belief
that yours are working!
I thought Phony Tony was PISS-WEAK but you are TRULY pathetic! B^D

Can you explain why you are so gutless in the face of
a rational argument supported by evidence that most Australians
have turned their backs on your LIES and Bullshit?

Post by Sunny
a half-wit.

That explains your inability to refute the facts.

Post by Sunny
deficient in all that lends character.

that explains your cowardice

Post by Sunny
the personality of wallpaper.

Then i guess you and Bj can stroke each other
and lick each otehrs wounds for the next few posts.. B^]

.. because you have SURE AS SHIT cut and run from the ISSUES!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

Addinall

2010-09-04 15:21:51 UTC

Post by Sunny
<snip usual

It's the only tactic the poor desperate Lieberal Losers have left! B^D

And what might that be Swami?

Post by fasgnadh
As the tories lose heart they drift off into small groups
who huddle together and sob... B^D

I have not only called this election for the ALP,

I have money on another outcome.

Post by fasgnadh
I can actually call the Lieberal tools SHOTS for them! B^D

Post by fasgnadh
" Voters want independents to back Labor"
- AAP 4/9/2010
"Two new polls show that a majority of voters want the
independents to back Labor to form government."

The more people see of the gutless lies and deception from
Phony Tony and the Black Hole boys, the more certain the ALP
is to win any re-run election! B^D

And I'll have a bet on that as well.
Perhaps Melbourne can put up with a Green government, the rest of
the country will not. I can't wait to see Watermelon Sharia being
implemented in Melbourne. No power unless the wind blows,
200% more electricity bills, fuel and food, another 200% increase.

Of course that will not happen. As Latte sipping social warriors,
they like to inflicy poverty onto OTHERS, not themselves.
You could ask them to support Watermelon Sharia in Taree,
and get a resounding YES vote.

Post by fasgnadh
An understandable reaction now that voters have seen
how the Lieberals tried to DECEIVE the Australian people and
steal the election while hiding their $11,000,000,000 Black Hole!

BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS???? B^D

Post by fasgnadh
"The polls show that more voters want the three rural independents --
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter -- to back a Labor minority
government than the coalition."

I'm sire the independents, aware that they could be back to
the polls if a stable government can't be formed, will
take that into account! B^D

Good. Bring it on.

And the Stupid tories want another ELECTION?? Bewdy! Bring it ON!!
Help the ALP to rule IN THEIR OWN RIGHT!!! B^D

I have BJ and Sunny so terrified at that prospect they
can no longer debate me.. instead, in every one of their
posts they have SNIPPED ALL THE FACTS.. and just (mass)debate
EACH OTHER!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

Perhaps people might debate yo if your fucking .sig wasn't a thousand
lines long.
Snip it will ya?

Not in Lyne, Kennedy or New England,

Bj and Sunny can't refute the truth, so they RUN FROM IT! B^D

What truth was that?
The three amigos can not go back to their electorates supporting a
left
wing Green-Labor partnership. They would be hung from a tree, and
quite
rightly. The people in the areas concerned OVERWHELINGLY support
a coalition government over Labor. Add in the Watermelons, and I dare
say
that the support for that mess will drop below 5%.
They really can't do anything else other than give Abbott the run.
Anything else is political suicide.

Post by B J Foster
silly twit.

Your choices from here are severely limited, you can
keep bitching and whining about the Election which slips
FURTHER AWAY from your grubby grip each day, or you
can SUCK IT UP and accept you are a poor LOSER! B^D
Or .. BRING ON ANOTHER ELECTION, Eh, you tory LIARS????
Ever since Phony Tony's $11,000,000,000 Black hole was exposed and the
reason he acted so deceitfully to keep it from being discovered was
revealed, the public, AND the independents, have been able to properly

Post by B J Foster
Thick or liar,

If you are generous you might think Abbott is the former, if
you are a realist you can see he is obviously deceitful.

Post by B J Foster
which are you?

I'm a realist.

You are just confirming what I told you! B^]
The Lib-Nats would GET THEIR ARSES KICKED in another election,
based on their LIES to the electorate in the last one!!

No wonder BJ and Sunny have abandoned the field, they have sniffed
DEFEAT! B^D

I still have my money on a coalition in.

Post by B J Foster
while 26 per cent want another election.

They are the ones who REALLY want to stick it to the tory LIARS
who tried to deceive us all! B^D

So it would be a landslide to the ALP on Two Party Preferred!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
No wonder you tories are biting your own arms off in DESPAIR!!!

Post by B J Foster
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/voters-want-independent...

> rabid rant>
Thanks for warning us of the feeble shite you are about to

Post by Sunny
Change your pills to ones that work

I don't take pills, and I don't share your belief
that yours are working!
I thought Phony Tony was PISS-WEAK but you are TRULY pathetic! B^D

Can you explain why you are so gutless in the face of
a rational argument supported by evidence that most Australians
have turned their backs on your LIES and Bullshit?

Care to address the primary voting numbers?

Post by Sunny
a half-wit.

That explains your inability to refute the facts.

Post by Sunny
deficient in all that lends character.

that explains your cowardice

When you where at Melbourne Uni, Sunny was fighting a war in Vietnam.

[snip, far too long .sig]

Mark.

fasgnadh

2010-09-04 23:34:42 UTC

Post by Sunny
<snip usual

It's the only tactic the poor desperate Lieberal Losers have left! B^D

And what might that be Swami?

See those two dots at the end of the sentence ^ .. they indicate
that the prediction follows .. you only had to read it;

Post by fasgnadh
As the tories lose heart they drift off into small groups
who huddle together and sob... B^D

And that's exactly what they did.. snipped the lot,
sat around and tool-fondled each other! B^D

So, here I was just returning to the prediction, after the evidence
that it was correct had been posted! B^]

Having to point it out, twice, is just tiresome.

I have my own agenda and will run it my way..

I leave it to the tories to snip all argument
THEN leave NOTHING but GUTLESS abuse..as they
toolfondle each other..

THEN demand I address their issues! B^D

Post by Sunny
deficient in all that lends character.

that explains your cowardice

When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

And that's what Sunny needed to do, refute inaccuracies,
if he could find any... but he chose instead to snip and run,
leave empty abuse, (which I simply hit back into his own court)
and indulge in mutual tool fondling with the equally gutless..

...till his nanny arrived. B^p

If that's the standard you defend, I can meet it easily.

< ...>
--
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

Addinall

2010-09-06 02:26:35 UTC

Post by Sunny
<snip usual

It's the only tactic the poor desperate Lieberal Losers have left! B^D

And what might that be Swami?

See those two dots at the end of the sentence ^ .. they indicate
that the prediction follows .. you only had to read it;

Post by fasgnadh
As the tories lose heart they drift off into small groups
who huddle together and sob... B^D

And that's exactly what they did.. snipped the lot,
sat around and tool-fondled each other! B^D
So, here I was just returning to the prediction, after the evidence
that it was correct had been posted! B^]
Having to point it out, twice, is just tiresome.
I have my own agenda and will run it my way..
I leave it to the tories to snip all argument
THEN leave NOTHING but GUTLESS abuse..as they
toolfondle each other..
THEN demand I address their issues! B^D

Post by Sunny
deficient in all that lends character.

that explains your cowardice

When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies. My memory may be flagging! I had a reccollection that
you attended that August establishment!

And that's what Sunny needed to do, refute inaccuracies,
if he could find any... but he chose instead to snip and run,
leave empty abuse, (which I simply hit back into his own court)
and indulge in mutual tool fondling with the equally gutless..
...till his nanny arrived. B^p
If that's the standard you defend, I can meet it easily.

You do yourself no favours by repeating a huge .sig over and over
again.
It becomes tiresome even for the folk that like you!

Mark.

[snip]

Tomasso

2010-09-06 07:49:46 UTC

Post by Addinall
...
When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies. My memory may be flagging! I had a reccollection that
you attended that August establishment!

You were probably thinking of Greg Fasgnadh, not Peter Fasgnadh.

Cheese, Tomato (heirloom variety).

fasgnadh

2010-09-06 09:19:09 UTC

Post by Addinall
...
When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies.

No apologies necessary, Youngest daughter went there,
eldest followed my choice.. Monash, named after
our greatest General..

From an inscription on a monument in
the music faculty courtyard:

'Adopt as your fundamental creed that you will equip
yourself for life, not solely for your own benefit,
but for the benefit of the whole community'

- Sir John Monash, 1923

What a fucking Giant among men!

I live in the suburb named after him
drive on the freeway named after him, (probably
over bridges built by him, elsewhere in the city),
get treated in Monash Medical,
and type this in a machine powered by the privatised shell
of the once mighty SEC he fostered into being.

Bloody Socialist! ;-)

I love singing Monash's praises..

it really pisses off all the anti-Semites! ;-)

(and the descendants of Bean and Murdoch ;-)

Post by Addinall
My memory may be flagging!

Can't be old age, must be the booze! ;-)

Still, your posts on the NBN show your brain cells
are still firing.. ... if asynchronously ;-)

Post by Addinall
I had a reccollection that
you attended that August establishment!

On occasions, but not as an alumni.

Post by Tomasso
You were probably thinking of Greg Fasgnadh, not Peter Fasgnadh.

fasgnadh has no relatives, nor peers. B^D

Post by Tomasso
Cheese, Tomato (heirloom variety).

That reminds me, it's tucker time.

---------

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't
# > got a clue about economic management.

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

--
Hello, this is my Netsig!

With a message for that tiresome twat, Thick-as-a-short-Plank,
the Net Nazi:

Tomasso

2010-09-06 10:30:05 UTC

Post by Addinall
...
When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies.

No apologies necessary, Youngest daughter went there,
eldest followed my choice.. Monash, named after
our greatest General..
From an inscription on a monument in
'Adopt as your fundamental creed that you will equip
yourself for life, not solely for your own benefit,
but for the benefit of the whole community'
- Sir John Monash, 1923
What a fucking Giant among men!
I live in the suburb named after him
drive on the freeway named after him, (probably
over bridges built by him, elsewhere in the city),
get treated in Monash Medical,
and type this in a machine powered by the privatised shell
of the once mighty SEC he fostered into being.
Bloody Socialist! ;-)
I love singing Monash's praises..
it really pisses off all the anti-Semites! ;-)
(and the descendants of Bean and Murdoch ;-)

Another vote for Monash here...

Mind you, in WW1 he entered an intellectual (and functional) vacuum.

Mother Englund's aristocracy may not be unique in density of
stupid fools, but they kept it up for centuries.

British Navy was effective because it was manned by criminals, and
they would only follow orders if they thought they were sensible.

Tomasso.

Post by Addinall
My memory may be flagging!

Can't be old age, must be the booze! ;-)
Still, your posts on the NBN show your brain cells
are still firing.. ... if asynchronously ;-)

Post by Addinall
I had a reccollection that
you attended that August establishment!

On occasions, but not as an alumni.

Post by Tomasso
You were probably thinking of Greg Fasgnadh, not Peter Fasgnadh.

fasgnadh has no relatives, nor peers. B^D

Post by Tomasso
Cheese, Tomato (heirloom variety).

That reminds me, it's tucker time.
---------
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010
What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???
Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't
# > got a clue about economic management.
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000
"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."
They sure got Tony's measure! B^D
Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.
A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D
=======================================
"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010
"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html
Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================
"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010
"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."
B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D
"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."
His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."
But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..
Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================
"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA
Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!
(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D
Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.
Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."
Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;
" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."
GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

fasgnadh

2010-09-06 10:56:27 UTC

Post by Addinall
...
When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies.

Another vote for Monash here...

Meticulous planning, aimed to protect losses, (that alone
set him apart from the British Military leaders),
an innovater, (invented a gun), a quick adopter of new technology
.. and yet willing to sacrifice ALL, ..when necessary..
as he showed at Mont St Quentin and Peronne

Couldn't ride a horse..

but had quite a few extra-marital mounts.. ;-)

Post by Tomasso
Mind you, in WW1 he entered an intellectual (and functional) vacuum.

I'm not sure that ended in 1918.

I suspect it just moved its GHQ

Post by Tomasso
Mother Englund's aristocracy may not be unique in density of
stupid fools, but they kept it up for centuries.

But they gave us Peter Cook and Dudley Moore,
Honey Mead
Mark Addinall

and 2 out of three ain't bad! B^D

Post by Tomasso
British Navy was effective because it was manned by criminals,

Worse ones than the Aristocracy?

How come that didn't work for their government? B^D

Post by Tomasso
and they would only follow orders if they thought they were sensible.

A very sound principle. A bit like Pirates!

Tyranny can only work if free men fear death more than dishonour.

Post by Tomasso
Tomasso.

Post by Addinall
My memory may be flagging!

Can't be old age, must be the booze! ;-)
Still, your posts on the NBN show your brain cells
are still firing.. ... if asynchronously ;-)

Post by Addinall
I had a reccollection that
you attended that August establishment!

On occasions, but not as an alumni.

Post by Tomasso
You were probably thinking of Greg Fasgnadh, not Peter Fasgnadh.

fasgnadh has no relatives, nor peers. B^D

Post by Tomasso
Cheese, Tomato (heirloom variety).

That reminds me, it's tucker time.

My God.. I have Deja Vu! It's tucker time again!

---------

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"
_ The Age CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
September 2, 2010

What about the $1,000,000,000 PER INDEPENDENT, BRIBE
from Phony Tony Abbott???

Where's the MONEY COMING FROM, YOu LYING LIEBERAL???

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.australian,
# aus.culture.true-blue,canb.general,
# Subject: The Moment Tony Abbott lost the 2010 election
# - Fasgnadh ready to call the result
# Message-ID: <kCNfo.5320$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:26:32 +1000
#
# "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"
#
# "Late last night the Independents released Treasury
# analysis revealing what they're calling a 'black hole'
# of up to $11 billion in the Coalition's costings.
#
# Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
# it's more an issue of trust."
#
# Exactly. The Electorate was lied to by Tony Abbott and
# neither they nor the Independents can trust him.
#
# I'm calling the elections for a minority ALP government
# supported by the Independents who have genuinely assessed
# the two parties and could go either way.. but will on balance,
# have to support the most reliable, ethical, competent and
# stable government, the current one.
#
#
# On 1/09/2010 10:48 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >
# > Tony windsor has just told Lateline there is a multi billion dollar
# > Black Hole in the coalition's election promises! 8^o
# >
# > At least now we know why Abbott and the lieberals were so afraid
# > to have their figures independently costed, it reveals they LIED
# > to the Australian electorate!
# >
# > Costello and Hewson were right about Abbott, he hasn't
# > got a clue about economic management.

Meet the new king-makers:

Subject: Welcome to the New Ministers for Stability:
Tony Windsor, Bob Katter, Adam Bandt, Rob Oakeshott and (possibly)
Andrew Wilkie ! B^D

Message-ID: <VsQbo.4193$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:24:43 +1000

"Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal
to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as
"extraordinary" and "silly"."

They sure got Tony's measure! B^D

Tantrum Tony simply ruled himself out of the New Politics.

A Schematic of Tony Abbot's 'leadership' - a Latham Moment: B^D

Act I: Tantrum Tony takes a firm stand:
=======================================

"Coalition refuses to 'tug forelock like Gillard' - Abbott"
- Brisbane Times 26/8/2010

"THE Coalition has dismissed the complaints of three
independents about its election costings and declared
it will not be told what to do in return for the
numbers to form government. "

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/coalition-refuses-to-tug-forelock-like-gillard-20100826-13uam.html

Act II: Tony changes his excuse! B^D
=====================================

"Abbott offers new excuse on costings
- The Age August 27, 2010

"TONY Abbott has changed his reason for defying the three
independents' demand to have his policies costed by the
public service."

B^D When his first excuse failed to convince anyone
Tony just invented a NEW ONE! B^D

"Under attack from Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, Mr Abbott
said he wouldn't give the policies for costing until the
completion of a police investigation into a campaign
leak about Coalition policies."

His new excuse lasted about an hour before his whole stance
caved in.. it was simply untenable, he sounded insane:

"On Wednesday, he did not mention the police inquiry when
explaining his reason for not submitting policies and opposing
the release of official briefing material about opposition policies.
He said it was difficult for public servants to understand
opposition policies with the same insight that they had of
government policies."

But his squirming and backflips did him no good at all,
people everywhere just wondered what he had to hide... and so..

Act III: The Independents win - Tony Abbott Caves in on Costings
================================================================

"The three independents whose support is crucial to forming
a minority government will receive detailed financial
costings on the policies of the major parties."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Tantrum Tony Tugs the Forelock!

(and that's not all he's tugging! B^D

Act IV: "Treasury finds 'black hole' in Coalition costings"

"Treasury wipes $10b off Lib costings"

"The Coalition refused to let Treasury cost its policies
during the campaign and furnished independent advice
claiming savings of $11.5 billion over four years.
Last week the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott,
relented to demands by the independents to let Treasury
cost the work.

Figures released after the talks with the independents
show Treasury calculated the Coalition would save only
$860 million over the four years."

Phony Tony's Rubbery figures EXPOSED, the Lieberals
committed ELECTORAL FRAUD;

" Windsor said it's not so much an issue of the numbers,
it's more an issue of trust."

GoodOnya Tony Windsor, the country needs staight talking,
honest men to support the stable Gillard government!

--
Hello, this is my Netsig!

With a message for that tiresome twat, Thick-as-a-short-Plank,
the Net Nazi:

http://youtu.be/4zTkAcuXb8g

Addinall

2010-09-06 15:53:22 UTC

Post by Addinall
...
When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies.

Another vote for Monash here...

Meticulous planning, aimed to protect losses, (that alone
set him apart from the British Military leaders),
an innovater, (invented a gun), a quick adopter of new technology
.. and yet willing to sacrifice ALL, ..when necessary..
as he showed at Mont St Quentin and Peronne
Couldn't ride a horse..
but had quite a few extra-marital mounts.. ;-)

Post by Tomasso
Mind you, in WW1 he entered an intellectual (and functional) vacuum.

I'm not sure that ended in 1918.
I suspect it just moved its GHQ

Post by Tomasso
Mother Englund's aristocracy may not be unique in density of
stupid fools, but they kept it up for centuries.

But they gave us Peter Cook and Dudley Moore,
Honey Mead
Mark Addinall

And the Beatles,
Rolling Stones,
Shakespeare,

And Terry Addinall. RN. One of the first ASDICS operators in the
world.
And Thelma Addinall - nee Fairbanks. A signalwoman at Bletchley Park.

Post by fasgnadh
and 2 out of three ain't bad! B^D

Not too many Generals in my family.
I did invent a PARAKEET once upon a time.

Post by Tomasso
British Navy was effective because it was manned by criminals,

Worse ones than the Aristocracy?
How come that didn't work for their government? B^D
> and they would only follow orders if they thought they were sensible.
A very sound principle. A bit like Pirates!

Not at all like Pirates. Members of the RN wore a uniform.

Post by fasgnadh
Tyranny can only work if free men fear death more than dishonour.

And the both of you served exactly when?

Big words are rather easy from the sidelines.

Mark Addinall.

[big snip]

fasgnadh

2010-09-06 22:04:48 UTC

Post by Addinall
...
When you where at Melbourne Uni,

I was never at Melbourne Uni...

Apologies.

Another vote for Monash here...

Meticulous planning, aimed to protect losses, (that alone
set him apart from the British Military leaders),
an innovater, (invented a gun), a quick adopter of new technology
.. and yet willing to sacrifice ALL, ..when necessary..
as he showed at Mont St Quentin and Peronne
Couldn't ride a horse..
but had quite a few extra-marital mounts.. ;-)

Post by Tomasso
Mind you, in WW1 he entered an intellectual (and functional) vacuum.

I'm not sure that ended in 1918.
I suspect it just moved its GHQ

Post by Tomasso
Mother Englund's aristocracy may not be unique in density of
stupid fools, but they kept it up for centuries.

But they gave us Peter Cook and Dudley Moore,
Honey Mead
Mark Addinall

And the Beatles,
Rolling Stones,
Shakespeare,

I remember the first two..

All like me, lovers, not fighters. ;-)

Post by Addinall
And Terry Addinall. RN. One of the first ASDICS operators in the
world.
And Thelma Addinall - nee Fairbanks. A signalwoman at Bletchley Park.

God bless em.

Post by fasgnadh
and 2 out of three ain't bad! B^D

Not too many Generals in my family.
I did invent a PARAKEET once upon a time.

You do know I meant that Honey Mead was over-rated. ;-)

Gives me a headache.

All the Addinalls are

Post by Tomasso
British Navy was effective because it was manned by criminals,

Worse ones than the Aristocracy?
How come that didn't work for their government? B^D

Post by Tomasso
and they would only follow orders if they thought they were sensible.

A very sound principle. A bit like Pirates!

Not at all like Pirates. Members of the RN wore a uniform.

Didn't stop their privateering, ask the Spanish gold Galleons.

Arrrrgggggggh Jim Lad!