SA big battery saved 90% in power outage costs: report on first 4m

Australia's battery farms were designed
and built to mercilessly rape the customers.

The buy energy to charge themselves when the
rates are rock bottom, then sit on that
energy until needs AND PRICES spike through
the roof.

....previously they even crowed about how
profitable this system is for them!

And now, well, and now they're pretending it's
all charity. That, the battery farms are there
to save people money, even though they have made
millions for the energy brokers already!

NOTE: Both stories -- where they admit to raping
the market and the one where they pretend to be
doing charity work -- are completely dependent
upon sub-market prices paid to wind and solar.

THAT'S HOW THEY WORK!

They buy electricity to charge the system when prices
are at their lowest, and sell it back to the utilities
when prices are at their highest. So this requires that
wind & solar be paid as little as possible...

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Unum

2018-05-14 22:14:10 UTC

Post by JTEM is right
Australia's battery farms were designed
and built to mercilessly rape the customers.

So why have they resulted in lower prices?

Post by JTEM is right
The buy energy to charge themselves when the
rates are rock bottom, then sit on that
energy until needs AND PRICES spike through
the roof.

And you know this how?

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-15 23:26:30 UTC

Post by JTEM is right
Australia's battery farms were designed
and built to mercilessly rape the customers.
The buy energy to charge themselves when the
rates are rock bottom, then sit on that
energy until needs AND PRICES spike through
the roof.
....previously they even crowed about how
profitable this system is for them!
And now, well, and now they're pretending it's
all charity. That, the battery farms are there
to save people money, even though they have made
millions for the energy brokers already!
NOTE: Both stories -- where they admit to raping
the market and the one where they pretend to be
doing charity work -- are completely dependent
upon sub-market prices paid to wind and solar.
THAT'S HOW THEY WORK!
They buy electricity to charge the system when prices
are at their lowest, and sell it back to the utilities
when prices are at their highest. So this requires that
wind & solar be paid as little as possible...

What the greenie shrews don't tell you is that FCAS services in SA were
soaring BECAUSE of growing instability caused by windy turbins and
solarious paneling. So they install a battery to fix the problems that
they caused, and whoeee, look how much money we're "saving"! The truth
is they are still paying more for FCAS services than before the days of
windy turbins and solarious paneling.

It pretty hard to lie about the fact that pre-greenie energy policy, SA
enjoyed some of the cheapest and most reliable power in Oz. In 2003 the
avg spot price was just a mere $30/MWh!

Now it's more than triple that.

An even tougher job is to explain to mental midgets why negative pricing
is a terrible bad thing, not a great good thing.

JTEM is right

2018-05-13 20:48:26 UTC

Tesla's "Big Battery" is designed to squeeze as much
money out of the bank accounts of the little people as
it can. They do this by paying next to nothing for wind
and solar energy, when the sun is shining and the wind
is blowing, and then selling it to the energy brokers
at ridiculously high prices when it's needed...

https://www.sciencealert.com/south-australia-tesla-battery-earns-million-neoen-company?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1

: Tesla's Australian battery system may have earned its owners,
: Neoen, around $1 million AUD ($800,000 USD) over the course
: of just a couple of days.
:
: [...]
:
: Based on the figures provided by Renew Economy, Neoen was able to
: sell electricity at around $14,000 AUD per MWh on January 18 and
: 19, while barely paying anything at all to generate electricity.

These batteries don't save people money, they MAKE CORPORATION
SUPER RICH at the expense of everyone else.

Unsubscribe.

That's it; unsubscribe from the whole, stinking "Global
Warming" narrative. It exists to hurt you & me while
lavishing wealth & power on the 1%... exactly like it's
already doing in the case of Tesla's "Big Batteries."

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Unum

2018-05-14 22:16:03 UTC

Its called capitalism.

Post by JTEM is right
https://www.sciencealert.com/south-australia-tesla-battery-earns-million-neoen-company?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1
: Tesla's Australian battery system may have earned its owners,
: Neoen, around $1 million AUD ($800,000 USD) over the course
: of just a couple of days.
: [...]
: Based on the figures provided by Renew Economy, Neoen was able to
: sell electricity at around $14,000 AUD per MWh on January 18 and
: 19, while barely paying anything at all to generate electricity.
These batteries don't save people money, they MAKE CORPORATION
SUPER RICH at the expense of everyone else.

They sell power at a competitive price.

Post by JTEM is right
Unsubscribe.
That's it; unsubscribe from the whole, stinking "Global
Warming" narrative. It exists to hurt you & me while
lavishing wealth & power on the 1%... exactly like it's
already doing in the case of Tesla's "Big Batteries."

So much brainless hate.

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-15 18:34:51 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

Gweenies are so economics-iggerunt they can't grasp the chimple fact
that having to support the cost of a service that you didn't actually
need before, only increases costs.

Not unlike an auto-glass biz giving small boys slingshots then telling
them to go do some target practice in the local parking lots. Great for
the auto-glass biz, but the collective cost of auto-ownership only goes up.

Chimpletons like you couldn't grasp the basic economics of a hotdog stand.

Unum

2018-05-15 20:06:05 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$ band-aid to
fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.

Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/

A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.

“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”

South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-15 20:40:02 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

Was it in January, when SA was paying peak rates 3x what other states
were paying?

Was it February, when peak spot was merely double the other guys?

March peak was a little better, but still the most expensive.

April, oh no! Now were back to almost double.

Comparing average to peak is an excellent indicator for how efficiently
the market is running, and also an excellent proxy for relative
efficiency between regions.

I'd have to conclude from the data that SA is sucking wind with its
arse, and the greenie zealots are lying through their teeth.

So where exactly are these impressive savings being reflected that yer
barking about?

Seems the reverse is true, compared to 2017, 2018 rates have actually
increased.

Can you point to the place on the data-doll where data didn't hurt you?

YEAR,MONTHNUMBER,MONTH,REGIONID,AVGRRP,PEAKRRP
2018,2018/01/31 00:00:00,JANUARY,NSW1,76.02,83.48
2018,2018/01/31 00:00:00,JANUARY,QLD1,75.78,82.13
2018,2018/01/31 00:00:00,JANUARY,SA1,158.76,231.01
2018,2018/01/31 00:00:00,JANUARY,TAS1,98.97,96.02
2018,2018/01/31 00:00:00,JANUARY,VIC1,133.48,182.54
2018,2018/02/28 00:00:00,FEBRUARY,NSW1,72.79,79.85
2018,2018/02/28 00:00:00,FEBRUARY,QLD1,71.84,82.76
2018,2018/02/28 00:00:00,FEBRUARY,SA1,109.17,142.88
2018,2018/02/28 00:00:00,FEBRUARY,TAS1,89.27,89.25
2018,2018/02/28 00:00:00,FEBRUARY,VIC1,97.43,123.66
2018,2018/03/31 00:00:00,MARCH,NSW1,66.71,69.42
2018,2018/03/31 00:00:00,MARCH,QLD1,62.53,66.37
2018,2018/03/31 00:00:00,MARCH,SA1,80.70,88.67
2018,2018/03/31 00:00:00,MARCH,TAS1,83.52,85.43
2018,2018/03/31 00:00:00,MARCH,VIC1,76.01,81.46
2018,2018/04/30 00:00:00,APRIL,NSW1,75.13,84.73
2018,2018/04/30 00:00:00,APRIL,QLD1,63.72,68.60
2018,2018/04/30 00:00:00,APRIL,SA1,98.37,133.69
2018,2018/04/30 00:00:00,APRIL,TAS1,80.71,80.17
2018,2018/04/30 00:00:00,APRIL,VIC1,74.04,86.12

https://aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM

Unum

2018-05-15 21:03:03 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$ band-aid
to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

"reduced the cost of the grid service that it performs by 90% and it has
already taken a majority share of the market"

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-15 23:03:44 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little people
actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher than everyone
else in the country (and getting higher).

If greenie energy policy results in rates increasing 2x or 3x, but a
battery service reduces costs by .05x, it's still a bloody disaster.

There is nothing conceptually wrong with using batteries for FCAS (they
could be just as useful to conventional generation as flaky wind and
solar) but lying about WHY is partly the reason the Rathershrill govt
got kicked the fuck out of office.

Unum

2018-05-16 02:08:13 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$ band-aid
to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little people
actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher than everyone else
in the country (and getting higher).

Apparently a success story for battery storage sends denialist scum
into a complete, unhinged frenzy. The battery doesn't make pancakes
either. So why are pancake prices so high?

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-16 15:15:33 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little
people actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher than
everyone else in the country (and getting higher).

Apparently a success story for battery storage sends denialist scum
into a complete, unhinged frenzy. The battery doesn't make pancakes
either. So why are pancake prices so high?

You can imagine anything you want if it soothes your fragile wounded
ego, but you can't lie about the price of power in SA growing 3x under
windy turbins and solarious paneling.

Unum

2018-05-16 15:23:21 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little people
actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher than everyone
else in the country (and getting higher).

Apparently a success story for battery storage sends denialist scum
into a complete, unhinged frenzy. The battery doesn't make pancakes
either. So why are pancake prices so high?

You can imagine anything you want if it soothes your fragile wounded ego, but
you can't lie about the price of power in SA growing 3x under windy turbins
and solarious paneling.

Someone is trying awful hard to change the subject. Did frequency control
and ancillary services costs decline by 90% or not?

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-16 16:44:24 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale
Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little
people actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher
than everyone else in the country (and getting higher).

Apparently a success story for battery storage sends denialist scum
into a complete, unhinged frenzy. The battery doesn't make pancakes
either. So why are pancake prices so high?

You can imagine anything you want if it soothes your fragile wounded
ego, but you can't lie about the price of power in SA growing 3x under
windy turbins and solarious paneling.

Someone is trying awful hard to change the subject. Did frequency control
and ancillary services costs decline by 90% or not?

It's only a success if the costs of FCAS are lower now than before windy
turbins and solarious paneling came along.

All I have to do is look at what SA was paying before RE and what they
are paying now, and I know the answer to that.

And so do you.

Unum

2018-05-16 19:48:47 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a $$$
band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power
Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by
Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over $30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little people
actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher than everyone
else in the country (and getting higher).

Apparently a success story for battery storage sends denialist scum
into a complete, unhinged frenzy. The battery doesn't make pancakes
either. So why are pancake prices so high?

You can imagine anything you want if it soothes your fragile wounded ego,
but you can't lie about the price of power in SA growing 3x under windy
turbins and solarious paneling.

Someone is trying awful hard to change the subject. Did frequency control
and ancillary services costs decline by 90% or not?

It's only a success if the costs of FCAS are lower now than before windy
turbins and solarious paneling came along.

Batteries, wind turbines, and solar panels are all the same thing? OMFG
this is so hilarious!

https://reneweconomy.com.au/arena-offers-7m-solar-wind-farm-fcas-trials-25298/

"The Australian Renewable Energy Agency has announced funding of $7 million to
encourage more wind farms, solar parks and battery installations to trial the
provision of grid security services as the share of renewables continues to
grow."

"Trials have also been successfully completed at the neighbouring Hornsdale
wind farm, which also showed that wind farms can provide cheaper and more
accurate services than gas generators"

Post by Chom Noamsky
All I have to do is look at what SA was paying before RE and what they are
paying now, and I know the answer to that.
And so do you.

All you have to do is pull your head out of your ass.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/wind-solar-to-fill-grid-services-as-incumbents-cash-in-while-they-can-23385/

"Research by the Climate and Energy Institute points to a five-fold increase
in costs associated with the FCAS (frequency and ancillary services) market
since 2014, to $200 million – with many of these rises occurring in states
with little or no renewable energy, and no apparent lift in demand for the
services."

Chom Noamsky

2018-05-16 20:59:04 UTC

Post by Unum
So much brainless hate.

Your brainless hatred is explained by the fact you know he's right.

Lil' yippy projecting yet again?

Post by Chom Noamsky
It is a great swindle, destabilize the grid, then sell 'em a
$$$ band-aid to fix the instability that your energy policy
actually caused.

No cite means chumpsky is lying as usual.
Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-service-cost/
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it
performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market.
“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale
Power Reserve
(the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated
by Neoen), the
frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent,
so that’s 9-0
per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS
revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South
Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”
South Australia is reportedly the only state that has seen a
decline in FCAS
costs over the period. Some estimates put the savings at over
$30 million in
just a few months.

Show me where the savings are reflected in the bottom line.

What for? Did frequency control and ancillary services costs decline by
90% or not? Because that's the service the battery actually performs.

What for? That line at the bottom is what the grovelling little
people actually pay for power, and what they pay in SA is higher
than everyone else in the country (and getting higher).

Apparently a success story for battery storage sends denialist scum
into a complete, unhinged frenzy. The battery doesn't make pancakes
either. So why are pancake prices so high?

You can imagine anything you want if it soothes your fragile wounded
ego, but you can't lie about the price of power in SA growing 3x
under windy turbins and solarious paneling.

Someone is trying awful hard to change the subject. Did frequency control
and ancillary services costs decline by 90% or not?

It's only a success if the costs of FCAS are lower now than before
windy turbins and solarious paneling came along.

Batteries, wind turbines, and solar panels are all the same thing? OMFG
this is so hilarious!
https://reneweconomy.com.au/arena-offers-7m-solar-wind-farm-fcas-trials-25298/
"The Australian Renewable Energy Agency has announced funding of $7 million to
encourage more wind farms, solar parks and battery installations to trial the
provision of grid security services as the share of renewables continues to
grow."
"Trials have also been successfully completed at the neighbouring Hornsdale
wind farm, which also showed that wind farms can provide cheaper and more
accurate services than gas generators"

Post by Chom Noamsky
All I have to do is look at what SA was paying before RE and what they
are paying now, and I know the answer to that.
And so do you.

All you have to do is pull your head out of your ass.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/wind-solar-to-fill-grid-services-as-incumbents-cash-in-while-they-can-23385/
"Research by the Climate and Energy Institute points to a five-fold increase
in costs associated with the FCAS (frequency and ancillary services) market
since 2014, to $200 million – with many of these rises occurring in states
with little or no renewable energy, and no apparent lift in demand for the
services."

You can yip 'til yer blue in the face, but you can't refute the fact
that the price of power in SA has tripled in the last 15 years,
correlating directly with the expansion of wind and solar.

Or put another way, kinda pointless hyping the alleged savings of a
battery when you're now paying 3X what you did before windy turbins and
solarious paneling came long.

And in what kind of language does a simple test have to be presented,
before the yipping stops? That simple test is that if solar and wind
are cheaper, then your power bill should be cheaper. If your power bill
is 3X what is used to be and climbing, then it fails the test.

As I pointed out in another post I made today, bulk wind and solar is
cheap to generate, but the cost of supporting it past the grid injection
point more than offsets any savings. This is an irrefutable truth.

It's understandable that advocates are grasping at straws when it comes
saving the green energy movement, but the alleged success or failure of
a battery doesn't change the fact that the movement has catastrophically
failed the test of delivering more economical power to consumers. Or
even close to what they used to pay, for that matter.

Many of these movements started in earnest 20 years ago, so it's not
like they haven't had ample opportunity to prove their economic merit.

Unum

2018-05-16 22:23:39 UTC