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Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
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Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-10 18:11:18 UTC
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Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time

Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008

A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."

Wednesday, he made that choice. He decided he'll hold the sign.

We talked to the judge known for his strange sentences. Judge Paul
Lenz says over the years, he's handed out 20 or so similar sentences.
But, he says for the most part, the criminals pass and choose to sit
out their sentences rather than face public humiliation.

They read "I was stupid," "I’m a thief," and "I stole from the
families of the dead."

They're all options to reduce jail time.

"It's something for them to think about," Lenz says. "Even if they
don't choose to do it, they have to think about it because they have
to think about whether they'll select the option. That means they'll
think more about the consequences."

Consequences for cases like Shane McQuillan's. He was found guilty of
criminal damage to property after he rammed his car into the closed
gate at Eau Claire's Waste Water Treatment Plant in March.

McQuillan told an officer he had been drinking and was quote "just
being stupid." Now, the 22 year old will hold a sign telling everyone
"I was stupid".

"It's an option for the person. It's not something that's forced on
them," Lenz says.

The judge says he's also thinking about money when he assigns a sign.
In tough budget times, he says keeping non-violent people out of jail
makes sense. Then there's the humiliation.

“It's a difficult thing to do if you think about it for yourself. It's
basically a public acknowledgment that what you did was wrong and
that's difficult for people to do," Judge Lenz says. "It’s also for
others who might think about doing that type of behavior to think
about."

The judge says there are some guidelines to follow when it comes to a
sentence. He says it has to relate to the offense. But, he says his
sign options are voluntary and have never been appealed.

We did leave several messages for Shane McQuillan, but did not hear
back from him.
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-10 18:12:35 UTC
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Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
Wednesday, he made that choice. He decided he'll hold the sign.
We talked to the judge known for his strange sentences. Judge Paul
Lenz says over the years, he's handed out 20 or so similar sentences.
But, he says for the most part, the criminals pass and choose to sit
out their sentences rather than face public humiliation.
They read "I was stupid," "I’m a thief," and "I stole from the
families of the dead."
They're all options to reduce jail time.
"It's something for them to think about," Lenz says. "Even if they
don't choose to do it, they have to think about it because they have
to think about whether they'll select the option. That means they'll
think more about the consequences."
Consequences for cases like Shane McQuillan's. He was found guilty of
criminal damage to property after he rammed his car into the closed
gate at Eau Claire's Waste Water Treatment Plant in March.
McQuillan told an officer he had been drinking and was quote "just
being stupid." Now, the 22 year old will hold a sign telling everyone
"I was stupid".
"It's an option for the person. It's not something that's forced on
them," Lenz says.
The judge says he's also thinking about money when he assigns a sign.
In tough budget times, he says keeping non-violent people out of jail
makes sense. Then there's the humiliation.
“It's a difficult thing to do if you think about it for yourself. It's
basically a public acknowledgment that what you did was wrong and
that's difficult for people to do," Judge Lenz says. "It’s also for
others who might think about doing that type of behavior to think
about."
The judge says there are some guidelines to follow when it comes to a
sentence. He says it has to relate to the offense. But, he says his
sign options are voluntary and have never been appealed.
We did leave several messages for Shane McQuillan, but did not hear
back from him.
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Palindrome
2008-10-10 18:16:15 UTC
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Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
<snip>

Apparently, some were given the option of posting to uk.legal, instead..

--
Sue
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-10 18:24:00 UTC
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Post by Webmanager_CritEst
Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
<snip>
Apparently, some were given the option of posting to uk.legal, instead..
--
Sue
I cannot really understand why I keep getting this response.
.
There is no 'UK law' issue now.

These are all global issues, being adopted worldwide, usually
initiated in the USA.

I am showing you your future.

(... also, I pressed 'return' before I could add 'USA').

WM
Palindrome
2008-10-10 18:30:48 UTC
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Post by Webmanager_CritEst
Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
<snip>
Apparently, some were given the option of posting to uk.legal, instead..
--
Sue
I cannot really understand why I keep getting this response.
.
There is no 'UK law' issue now.
These are all global issues, being adopted worldwide, usually
initiated in the USA.
I am showing you your future.
(... also, I pressed 'return' before I could add 'USA').
NAh, you are just showing a guilty conscience by thinking that I was
complaining about your transpondean choice of material. I wasn't. Try
reading it as:

"Apparently, some (of those that appeared before the same judge) were
given the option...etc.

But rather a nice proof of point, you must admit..

--
Sue
Ishtar
2008-10-10 18:49:28 UTC
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I thought this was a serious discussion about sentencing options.

I am wholly in favour of PUBLIC SHAMING as an alternative to jail.

It is a more refined, more gentle version of "the stocks."

It should not be just an option.

It should be compulsory for many non-violent offenders.

And of course saving public money is a huge consideration.

First we'd better repeal the disastrous HRA, which was already there
in English law, whenever needed.
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-10 21:41:39 UTC
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Post by Palindrome
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
<snip>
Apparently, some were given the option of posting to uk.legal, instead..
--
Sue
I cannot really understand why I keep getting this response.
.
There is no 'UK law' issue now.
These are all global issues, being adopted worldwide, usually
initiated in the USA.
I am showing you your future.
(... also, I pressed 'return' before I could add 'USA').
NAh, you are just showing a guilty conscience by thinking that I was
complaining about your transpondean choice of material. I wasn't. Try
"Apparently, some (of those that appeared before the same judge) were
given the option...etc.
But rather a nice proof of point, you must admit..
--
Sue
I like your pun.

'Guilty conscience' ... for what, educating folk? - hardly.

Just clarifying - I do not post just for you ;)

WM
Palindrome
2008-10-10 22:07:58 UTC
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Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
<snip>
Apparently, some were given the option of posting to uk.legal, instead..
--
Sue
I cannot really understand why I keep getting this response.
.
There is no 'UK law' issue now.
These are all global issues, being adopted worldwide, usually
initiated in the USA.
I am showing you your future.
(... also, I pressed 'return' before I could add 'USA').
NAh, you are just showing a guilty conscience by thinking that I was
complaining about your transpondean choice of material. I wasn't. Try
"Apparently, some (of those that appeared before the same judge) were
given the option...etc.
But rather a nice proof of point, you must admit..
--
Sue
I like your pun.
'Guilty conscience' ... for what, educating folk? - hardly.
You cannot educate those that know the answers. But you know that.
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
Just clarifying - I do not post just for you ;)
Oh, I wouldn't want you thinking that you did anything for me..

--
Sue
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-10 22:18:37 UTC
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Man Chooses To Hold "I Was Stupid" Sign Instead of Jail Time
Posted: 5:00 PM Oct 8, 2008
Last Updated: 11:17 PM Oct 8, 2008
A judge gives a man a choice: Spend time in jail or hold a sign saying
"I was stupid."
<snip>
Apparently, some were given the option of posting to uk.legal, instead..
--
Sue
I cannot really understand why I keep getting this response.
.
There is no 'UK law' issue now.
These are all global issues, being adopted worldwide, usually
initiated in the USA.
I am showing you your future.
(... also, I pressed 'return' before I could add 'USA').
NAh, you are just showing a guilty conscience by thinking that I was
complaining about your transpondean choice of material. I wasn't. Try
"Apparently, some (of those that appeared before the same judge) were
given the option...etc.
But rather a nice proof of point, you must admit..
--
Sue
I like your pun.
'Guilty conscience' ... for what, educating folk? - hardly.
You cannot educate those that know the answers. But you know that.
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
Just clarifying - I do not post just for you ;)
Oh, I wouldn't want you thinking that you did anything for me..
--
Sue
Now, come on ... you are a lady, I am a man.

We all have needs.

WM
Ishtar
2008-10-11 07:42:59 UTC
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Oh well, have your private chat here if you wish.

Just referring again to the original subject, which I call PUBLIC
SHAMING - I am all in favour of it, and it has been very effective
where used in USA. The taxpayer is saved money, and the defendants say
both that they were glad to stay out of jail and also that they felt
dreadfully humiliated and are unlikely to reoffend.
Under HRA maybe it can't be made compulsory - any opinions on that?
Logically, if it is legal to humiliate people by putting them in jail,
why should it not be legal to order them to stand on the street for
five days holding a placard stating the truth about their conviction:
"I AM A CONVICTED THIEF."
"I AM A CONVICTED DRUNK DRIVER."
etc.

It would be better for all concerned.
Ishtar
2008-10-11 09:38:23 UTC
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Post by Ishtar
Oh well, have your private chat here if you wish.
Just referring again to the original subject, which I call PUBLIC
SHAMING - I am all in favour of it, and it has been very effective
where used in USA. The taxpayer is saved money, and the defendants say
both that they were glad to stay out of jail and also that they felt
dreadfully humiliated and are unlikely to reoffend.
Under HRA maybe it can't be made compulsory - any opinions on that?
Logically, if it is legal to humiliate people by putting them in jail,
why should it not be legal to order them to stand on the street for
"I AM A CONVICTED THIEF."
"I AM A CONVICTED DRUNK DRIVER."
etc.
It would be better for all concerned.
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If I remember correctly, the usual practice in some USA courts in the
past ten years has been to give the defendant the choice between a
jail sentence (usually of a few months) or "public shaming" for about
five days. The defendants usually opt for public shaming.

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