Aberdeen

Post by annon
Hi,
I am looking forward to studying at Aberdeen University this term. I
currently live in London. So, if possible could anyone here give me any
information about the attitude towards ethnic minorities at Aberdeen?
Thank you v much.

My immediate reaction to your question is "relaxed".

Aberdeen, according to recent news reports, has a higher level of
immigrants, of all kinds, than most Scottish cities (thanks, primarily,
to the oil industry), and I haven't heard of any serious problems there.

As always, much depends on individual attitudes. Some supporters of
Aberdeen Football Club, for example, have a reputation for pretty nasty
behaviour, but in my experience it is unlikely to be directed at anyone
outside the immediate environs of Pittodrie stadium.

There are people who live in Aberdeen, and others who come from that
city, who post here. I have to admit that I am severely prejudiced
against the city and its populace, so you should bear that in mind when
reading my advice above.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Shytot

2005-09-09 02:57:46 UTC

Nasty behaviour? Jees compared to teh Huns or Tims their behaviour is great.
There used to be a casual element when Aberdeen were a real football team
but they are not os active now I have heard.
Basicall you will be fine provided you are not *nglish or a wanker. If you
are both then better to study in Edinburgh or Glasgow.

Shytot

Jackie Mulheron

2005-09-10 20:51:02 UTC

In short - "Don't wear a Rangers top".

Mac_Ray

2005-09-08 23:00:20 UTC

Aberdeen is a tolerant enough place, though like most places there are a few
idiots about. But I wouldn't worry unduly if I were you. Bear in mind that
although it is quite a small city (200,000 or so) it has had a huge influx
of people from all around the world attracted to it by the oil industry, so
its reasonably cosmopolitan. Nowhere near as cosmpolitan as London - but few
places are. Just be yourself.

Post by annon
Thank you v much.

Nae bother. Enjoy yourself.

Charles Ellson

2005-09-08 23:29:53 UTC

As long as you haven't got a thick coat of soft curly hair you should
be OK. ;-)

Post by Mac_Ray
Aberdeen is a tolerant enough place, though like most places there are a few
idiots about. But I wouldn't worry unduly if I were you. Bear in mind that
although it is quite a small city (200,000 or so) it has had a huge influx
of people from all around the world attracted to it by the oil industry,

Not forgetting seaborne visitors for the last several hundred years.
In common with other ports strange faces don't usually attract a
second glance from locals.

Post by Mac_Ray
so
its reasonably cosmopolitan. Nowhere near as cosmpolitan as London - but few
places are. Just be yourself.

Post by annon
Thank you v much.

Nae bother. Enjoy yourself.

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anon

2005-09-08 23:34:16 UTC

Post by annon
Thank you v much.

Nae bother. Enjoy yourself.

Thanks guys. That was quiet reassuring. What about outside the oil industry
and into the University itself, is the environment there also relaxed?

I come from an Asian background, so I was slightly concerned seeing as
though I have not ventured to that part of Scotland yet. Hence, seeing what
some Muslims are doing now "suicide bombings", "sept 11" etc, I was just
worried about prejudice/racism. Which will be a pain especially considering
that I would have to live 4 years there for my degree.

I have been to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling - all of which seemed nice.
Scottish cities are beautiful in general - which was one the reasons why I
have decided to study up there, I wanted a change from cosmopolitan London.

I look forward to having a good time there.

Thanks again.

d***@dundeedirect.co.uk

2005-09-09 00:46:49 UTC

Dundee has a student population of 15,000, and a large Muslim
population.
Dundee is very re.....lax........where was I?...ed.
Oh except when it comes to MerKins.
***@ve Dundee.

Shytot

2005-09-09 03:10:44 UTC

Post by annon
Thank you v much.

Nae bother. Enjoy yourself.

Thanks guys. That was quiet reassuring. What about outside the oil industry
and into the University itself, is the environment there also relaxed?
I come from an Asian background, so I was slightly concerned seeing as
though I have not ventured to that part of Scotland yet. Hence, seeing what
some Muslims are doing now "suicide bombings", "sept 11" etc, I was just
worried about prejudice/racism. Which will be a pain especially considering
that I would have to live 4 years there for my degree.
I have been to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling - all of which seemed nice.
Scottish cities are beautiful in general - which was one the reasons why I
have decided to study up there, I wanted a change from cosmopolitan London.
I look forward to having a good time there.
Thanks again.

If you are an Asian woman they you will be fine.There are many massage
parlours you can work in. A Paki man then there are plenty of corner shops
around for you to buy. If you are Chinese then there is not such a big
Chinese community as say Manchester or London.
If you are thinking of blowing yourself up then I recommend London - they
have more experience and can help you prime the bomb a lot better.
Aberdonian Pakistanis have little experience with bombs. They don't believe
in the Koran in Aberdeen either though they are not predudice against
Catholics unlike say Glasgow. In fact Aberdonians hate Glaswegians just as
much as the *nglish thinking them to be scruffy and un-educated (which is
generally true but no reason to dislike them quite as much as they do). They
just about tolerate Dundonians with a grudge and Edinburgh is definately
considered ok though full of poofs.
The sheep thing was an invention by Celtic supporters. In fact there much
more sheep just north of Glasgow than the whole of Aberdeenshire which is
mainly cattle and crops. So if you have come to shag sheep better to head
for the highlands north of Glasgow.
Its a great place for students though you may find it cold in winter - and
summer. Aberdeen is the Gaelic word for Hyperthermia did you know? There is
gerat countryside around Royal Deeside and lovely sunsets in the summer and
early Autumn.
The language will take a bit of getting used to. Unlike Glasgow they do not
speak Pakistani but a form of English that is unique to the North East. Div
ye ken fit yer deein min?

Shytot

anon

2005-09-09 04:59:02 UTC

Aberdeen is a tolerant enough place, though like most places there are
a
few
idiots about. But I wouldn't worry unduly if I were you. Bear in mind

that

Post by Mac_Ray
although it is quite a small city (200,000 or so) it has had a huge

influx

Post by Mac_Ray
of people from all around the world attracted to it by the oil
industry,
so
its reasonably cosmopolitan. Nowhere near as cosmpolitan as London -
but
few
places are. Just be yourself.

Post by annon
Thank you v much.

Nae bother. Enjoy yourself.

Thanks guys. That was quiet reassuring. What about outside the oil

industry

Post by anon
and into the University itself, is the environment there also relaxed?
I come from an Asian background, so I was slightly concerned seeing as
though I have not ventured to that part of Scotland yet. Hence, seeing

what

Post by anon
some Muslims are doing now "suicide bombings", "sept 11" etc, I was just
worried about prejudice/racism. Which will be a pain especially

considering

Post by anon
that I would have to live 4 years there for my degree.
I have been to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling - all of which seemed nice.
Scottish cities are beautiful in general - which was one the reasons why I
have decided to study up there, I wanted a change from cosmopolitan

London.

Post by anon
I look forward to having a good time there.
Thanks again.

I am neither interested (or currently am ) in working inside a corner shop
as much as you interested/ or currently engaging in sheep- shagging :)
rather I am going to Aberdeen to get a degree so that I can work in an
industry other then the local corner shop. As for the Koran et al , I
consider myself to be a liberal muslim, who indulges in drinking , partying,
etc so strapping C4 on my chest in the name of Islam is out of the equation.

Post by Mac_Ray
Chinese community as say Manchester or London.
If you are thinking of blowing yourself up then I recommend London - they
have more experience and can help you prime the bomb a lot better.
Aberdonian Pakistanis have little experience with bombs. They don't believe
in the Koran in Aberdeen either though they are not predudice against
Catholics unlike say Glasgow. In fact Aberdonians hate Glaswegians just as
much as the *nglish thinking them to be scruffy and un-educated (which is
generally true but no reason to dislike them quite as much as they do). They
just about tolerate Dundonians with a grudge and Edinburgh is definately
considered ok though full of poofs.

Really? Who do you like then, like genuinely....

Post by Mac_Ray
The sheep thing was an invention by Celtic supporters. In fact there much
more sheep just north of Glasgow than the whole of Aberdeenshire which is
mainly cattle and crops. So if you have come to shag sheep better to head
for the highlands north of Glasgow.
Its a great place for students though you may find it cold in winter - and
summer. Aberdeen is the Gaelic word for Hyperthermia did you know? There is

No I never. How do you survive?

Post by Mac_Ray
gerat countryside around Royal Deeside and lovely sunsets in the summer and
early Autumn.
The language will take a bit of getting used to. Unlike Glasgow they do not
speak Pakistani but a form of English that is unique to the North East. Div
ye ken fit yer deein min?

Well that is hardly supprising.

Post by Mac_Ray
Shytot

Shytot

2005-09-09 08:01:27 UTC

Post by Shytot
just about tolerate Dundonians with a grudge and Edinburgh is definately
considered ok though full of poofs.

Really? Who do you like then, like genuinely....

Well you know that's a really hard question for an Aberdonian. They don't
mind the Yanks (though they laugh at them and find them a bit silly - what
with the daft accent an a that). You see Aberdonains don't even like other
Aberdonians much.They are hard to please with red wind-swept faces and
fierce tempers. Don't get into an argument with them in a pub. I didn't
realise you could drink by the way if you were a Muslim. All the ones I know
don't eat pork or drink alchohol. That's a much better face of Islam. Why
don;t they advertise Islam in this way - Westerners would find it much more
inviting. I could imagine Osama Bin himself downing a whisky with a couple
of babes on his arm - we would like him beter then. Aberdeen is also a good
place for UFOs I am reliably informed.Aparently there is an intergallactic
vortex of some sort and aliens regularly pass through. I think some of the
Aberdeen University Lecturers may well be aliens or some form of hybrids.
Aberdeen is also a great place to have a heart atack - good medical care so
you are safe if you drink all that alchohol and womanise.
By the way - Aberdeen Uni has very high standards so you'd better work hard.
James Clerk Maxwell was a Prof there and he was one of the most famous
Physicists in history - next to or eqal to Einstein himself and Newton.Well
the thing his he didn't perform well in the RAE and they fired him. He ended
up at a second class English University (Cambridge - there were only two I
think at the time) and the rest as they say is history.

Shytot

d***@dundeedirect.co.uk

2005-09-09 09:05:31 UTC

Post by anon
rather I am going to Aberdeen to get a degree so that I can work in an

industry other then the local corner shop.

Ah a career in the Call Centres? I worked in the BT Openworld Broad
Band call centre and over 50% of the good people there had Degrees.

Now most of them are moving to India.
***@ve

anon

2005-09-09 16:45:50 UTC

Post by anon
rather I am going to Aberdeen to get a degree so that I can work in an

industry other then the local corner shop.
Ah a career in the Call Centres? I worked in the BT Openworld Broad
Band call centre and over 50% of the good people there had Degrees.

Software development, preferably abroad in a country that is in need of
individuals with skills in that field. Aberdeen I hope will be very useful
in making this easier, as it will culture me (by forcing me to adapt into a
slightly different culture), and teach me what it's like to live a million
miles away from home etc.

Other areas of interest, the Internet (development side of it), with the
easy avaliability of broadband I can see the Internet becoming much more
interactive in the next 15 years. Hence, newer software will probably be
developed to revololise it e.g. Macromedia Flash is an example of such a
software etc.

IT consultantcy is also an option. Oh and yes, a career in a Call Centres is
definently under consideration.

Post by anon
Now most of them are moving to India.

anon

2005-09-09 16:30:23 UTC

Post by Shytot

Post by Shytot
just about tolerate Dundonians with a grudge and Edinburgh is definately
considered ok though full of poofs.

Really? Who do you like then, like genuinely....

Well technically you can't do either. I don't eat pork for example. I get
physically sick if eating it.

I am not too fussed about alcohol, as long as you drink it responsibly and
in moderation i.e. not consuming it to the point of alcohol poisoning or
getting addicted to it.

Post by Shytot
inviting. I could imagine Osama Bin himself downing a whisky with a couple
of babes on his arm - we would like him beter then. Aberdeen is also a good

Well you never know, he is probably a pimp right now.

Post by Shytot
place for UFOs I am reliably informed.Aparently there is an intergallactic
vortex of some sort and aliens regularly pass through. I think some of the
Aberdeen University Lecturers may well be aliens or some form of hybrids.
Aberdeen is also a great place to have a heart atack - good medical care so
you are safe if you drink all that alchohol and womanise.
By the way - Aberdeen Uni has very high standards so you'd better work hard.

I relish the challenge.

Post by Shytot
James Clerk Maxwell was a Prof there and he was one of the most famous
Physicists in history - next to or eqal to Einstein himself and Newton.Well
the thing his he didn't perform well in the RAE and they fired him. He ended

So I have read ironically in achive threads in this same newsgroup whilst
researching on the academic reputation of Aberdeen. One thing that puzzles
me till this day is why is Aberdeen overshadowed by Edinbugh and St Andrews
in terms of academic reputation? When academically it has its fair share of
academical highlights (as you have pointed out) as the other Scottish
universities. Yet, when an English person talks about Scottish Universities,
the first thing that comes into their head is Edinburgh or St Andrews as
being the "Oxbridge of Scotland".

Post by Shytot
up at a second class English University (Cambridge - there were only two I
think at the time) and the rest as they say is history.
Shytot

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-09 14:04:56 UTC

Post by Shytot
If you are an Asian woman they you will be fine.
There are many massage parlours you can work in. A Paki man then there
are plenty of corner shops
around for you to buy.

I am neither interested (or currently am ) in working inside a corner
shop as much as you interested/ or
currently engaging in sheep- shagging :) rather I am going to Aberdeen
to get a degree so that I can work
in an industry other then the local corner shop. As for the Koran et al
, I consider myself to be a liberal muslim, who indulges in drinking ,
partying, etc so strapping C4 on my chest in the name of Islam is out
of the equation.

LOL ! You'll be fine:) Congratulations! You sussed out the village idiot
of scs in doublequick time.

BTW, he's in New Zealand now so luckily you won't bump into him.
--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-09 06:49:10 UTC

Post by anon
Thanks again.

Your biggest dangers are freezing to death, dying of boredom or being
engaged in conversation by a local.
IMO it's not a particularly nice place to live compared to Glasgow or
Edinburgh (the easterly wind will cut you in half) but you should be safe
enough if you're sensible.
At least you won't look like yir average sassancach - big advantage.

A W-S

Mac_Ray

2005-09-09 12:42:34 UTC

Post by anon
Thanks again.

You're right about the east wind. In the depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

KMM

2005-09-09 13:15:45 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Your biggest dangers are freezing to death, dying of boredom or being
engaged in conversation by a local.
IMO it's not a particularly nice place to live compared to Glasgow or
Edinburgh (the easterly wind will cut you in half) but you should be safe
enough if you're sensible.
At least you won't look like yir average sassancach - big advantage.

You're right about the east wind. In the depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

I have fond memories of Aberdeen from the 3.5 years I lived there. The
weather I found to be nicer overall because it was drier in general. The
cauld wind I hardly noticed, its the north of Scotland so wrap up warm,
its not hard to cope with it. It was a nice city to live in. A friend
and cousin were students and enjoyed it also. Latterly, some friends
have up and moved to the city from Wimbledon and for them it is home now.

Kevin.

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-09 19:09:39 UTC

Post by KMM

You're right about the east wind. In the depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

I've stayed in and around Aberdeen for about a year altogether.
Sure - it's 'OK' and a lot of people I know who lived there as a student
enjoyed their stay, but almost all of them complained about that particular
brand of Aberdeen cauld that seems to penetrate any amount of clothing, and
obviously it gets even worse in the winter.
I always felt isolated up there myself. The night life after Glasgow seemed
of 'village hall' standard but then after Glasgow most places did.
Not trying to put the guy off, I can think of worse places to live, Siberia
for example, but it's as well he knows what to expect on the down side too -
like make sure the accomodation has got triple glazing for a start.
The language problem for an outsider shouldn't be underestimated either if
he has to converse with the natives - it took me months to get a handle on
the accent.
Last, and most certainly not least, their football team is ******* crap.

A W-S

Ian Morrison

2005-09-09 19:20:07 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Last, and most certainly not least, their football team is ******* crap.

I hate to say it, but they weren't that bad (by Scottish standards) last
season. This season, admittedly, they are one point below Caley Thistle
and two behind R*ng*rs.

As far as the climate is concerned, there was a biting north easterly
today, even here in Livi, and it seems the temperature struggled to
reach the mid-fifties Fahrenheit (12 deg C).

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

anon

2005-09-09 19:25:56 UTC

<snip>

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I've stayed in and around Aberdeen for about a year altogether.
Sure - it's 'OK' and a lot of people I know who lived there as a student
enjoyed their stay, but almost all of them complained about that particular
brand of Aberdeen cauld that seems to penetrate any amount of clothing, and
obviously it gets even worse in the winter.

Cauld as in cold? If so, how many layers do I have to wear? 15? I am a slim
guy so I don't want to get pnumonia.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I always felt isolated up there myself. The night life after Glasgow seemed
of 'village hall' standard but then after Glasgow most places did.
Not trying to put the guy off, I can think of worse places to live, Siberia

Is it really that bad?

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
for example, but it's as well he knows what to expect on the down side too -
like make sure the accomodation has got triple glazing for a start.
The language problem for an outsider shouldn't be underestimated either if
he has to converse with the natives - it took me months to get a handle on
the accent.

Do they speak English up there? Or some form of celtic language.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Last, and most certainly not least, their football team is ******* crap.

Lol.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
A W-S

Ian Morrison

2005-09-09 19:45:19 UTC

Post by anon
<snip>

Cauld as in cold? If so, how many layers do I have to wear? 15? I am a slim
guy so I don't want to get pnumonia.

It doesn't matter how many layers you wear, a biting north easterly will
penetrate them all, as Adam said. Best not to go out at all, and stay
inside. Those sturdy granite walls are there for a purpose.

Is it really that bad?

I can recommend "The Lemon Tree", in the city centre (just off Union
Street), as a venue where all sorts of lunchtime and evening events take
place.

Do they speak English up there? Or some form of celtic language.

It is Scots, with a twist. Scots is related to English.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Deirdre

2005-09-09 20:15:55 UTC

Post by anon
Cauld as in cold? If so, how many layers do I have to wear? 15? I am a slim
guy so I don't want to get pnumonia.

Or you could layer sensibly with silk closest
to your skin, followed by flannel and then a
layer (or two) of wool and/or leather. It's a
lazy wind, aye? Can't be arsed to go around,
it goes right through. Warm socks are nice
to have...as are warm gloves and I say that
as someone who doesn't suffer much from
the cold.

Fair warning though, don't wear an unlined
leather coat without an insulating layer be-
neath...once the wind hits it, it has all the
thermal retention of a wet bedsheet. (Been
there, did that, took a week to thaw out.)

Post by anon
Is it really that bad?

I can recommend "The Lemon Tree", in the city centre (just off Union
Street), as a venue where all sorts of lunchtime and evening events take
place.

Once you get there you'll discover _everything_
is "just off Union Street". I don't think I've ever
received directions there which _didn't_ include
that phrase, unless, of course, it was _on_ Union
Street.

Post by anon
Do they speak English up there? Or some form of celtic language.

It is Scots, with a twist. Scots is related to English.

Doric Scots. Once your ear adapts to it, you'll
be fine...and there are plenty of folks there
who speak standard or simply Scots accented,
English...especially at the University.

I suspect you'll like it fine.

Deirdre

Nebulous

2005-09-09 20:09:07 UTC

Post by anon
<snip>

Cauld as in cold? If so, how many layers do I have to wear? 15? I am a slim
guy so I don't want to get pnumonia.

Ignore them all. They're just jealous they aren't part of one of the most
happening places in Scotland. You'd never manage to move wearing 15 layers
of clothes. Even in the winter time I never go above 7.

Is it really that bad?

It depends on your point of view. It may be colder than some parts of
Scotland, but its also one of the driest. The whole city is built of gray
granite. It sparkles and glistens in the sunshine, and I love it, but for a
small number of people the grayness seems to provoke a melancholy
depression.

Do they speak English up there? Or some form of celtic language.

One of my friends went to a rural area in France. He got lost and trying to
find his way spoke to a frenchman. 'Excuse me' he said 'Do you speak
*nglish?' 'Yes' said the frenchman 'but do you speak French?' and walked
away.

We're a wee bit like that up here. We can speak *nglish, though its heavily
accented, but generally we choose not to.

Neb

Ian Morrison

2005-09-09 20:25:51 UTC

Post by Nebulous
It depends on your point of view. It may be colder than some parts of
Scotland, but its also one of the driest. The whole city is built of gray
granite. It sparkles and glistens in the sunshine, and I love it, but for a
small number of people the grayness seems to provoke a melancholy
depression.

According to my local weekly freesheet, Livingston, Aberdeen and
Inverness Caledonian Thistle Football Clubs are supporting the "Choose
Life" strategy and action plan, which is part of the current
International Suicide Prevention Awareness Week.

I can understand why Livingston FC are backing the campaign, but am
baffled by the apparent disinterest of my own club, Dundee FC, whose
supporters must have more reason to suffer from "melancholy depression"
than most.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Nebulous

2005-09-09 20:41:18 UTC

According to my local weekly freesheet, Livingston, Aberdeen and
Inverness Caledonian Thistle Football Clubs are supporting the "Choose
Life" strategy and action plan, which is part of the current
International Suicide Prevention Awareness Week.
I can understand why Livingston FC are backing the campaign, but am
baffled by the apparent disinterest of my own club, Dundee FC, whose
supporters must have more reason to suffer from "melancholy depression"
than most.

I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just cannot
stand the greyness. I sometimes meet people complaining about it. I used to
occasionally drive Nicky Campbell (what a name-dropper eh?) to work for the
early morning show, in my taxi. I've always regarded him as a protege of
mine, even when he's being a twat, but I was really pissed off to hear him
complain about it being too grey on radio 5 live.

Neb

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-10 01:56:14 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just cannot
stand the greyness.

That includes me - it's a horrible stone with which to build a city and one
of the worst aspects of the town.
Compare it to Bath or other towns built with Somerset Stone for example.
When the sun hits the pale yellow sandstone in the south west it lights up
the whole place and lifts the mood. In Aberdeen it just accentuates the
cold, flinty bleakness of the place.
Just my opinion.

A W-S

Nebulous

2005-09-10 07:23:47 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just cannot
stand the greyness.

Well I love it- especially when the sun is shining, like today.

Then again I supppose we can't all be the same.

Just take a look at Marischal College- isn't it gorgeous? Does it matter
that its Grey?

http://www.friendsofscotland.gov.uk/education/links.html

Plans are afoot to make it the headquarters of our local Council.

Look at some of the buildings here

http://www.worldtour-of-scotland.com/tour/7aug-arrival-aberdeen.shtml

There are some buildings as fine as any you will find in any comparable
city. They may be Grey, but they are a light grey. The small flecks in the
granite catch the light and positively sparkle in the sunlight. One of the
few widespread benefits of the oil industry was cleaning up the granite.
There was a fund in the eighties which gave 90% grants to steam clean
granite buildings. Almost all the granite in the city was cleaned at that
time. Due to the reduction in coal fires they have largely stayed clean.

Neb

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-10 11:21:03 UTC

Does it matter that its Grey?

Yes.

Look at some of the buildings here

I didn't really need to having lived there and visited more often than I
care to recall, but I did anyway - it made me shudder at the memories.
Sorry old bean - it's a hideous place IMO.
Gives me the heeby-jeebies just looking at photo's of it.

A W-S

Mac_Ray

2005-09-10 11:32:40 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just cannot
stand the greyness.

That includes me - it's a horrible stone with which to build a city and one
of the worst aspects of the town.

"Who turned the colour off?" as a Canadian collegue once said. On a grey day
grey granite *is* grey. Greyness is its main feature. On a bright, clear
day - I'm with Neb and disagree with you. It's not grey and depressing, but
silver, sparkly and rather attractive. Unlike sandstone it also lasts,
doesn't turn back into sand and doesn't discolour. There are some beautiful
Victorian buildings in Aberdeen which look like new, as if a day hadn't gone
by since they were first built.

Don't get me wrong here - if you want a list of Aberdeen's shortcomings, I'm
yer man. But granite isn't one of them.

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-10 23:07:41 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just

cannot

Post by Nebulous
stand the greyness.

That includes me - it's a horrible stone with which to build a city and

one

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
of the worst aspects of the town.

All in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Post by Nebulous
Unlike sandstone it also lasts,
doesn't turn back into sand and doesn't discolour.

I'm not saying the physical properties are poor - of course not - it's just
about the best material there is for durabililty and the buildings are
certainly expertly crafted.
Mind you - Bath isn't exactly brand new - there are Victorian and Edwardian
buildings there that also look newly built.. They are used in TV period
dramas all the time.
I'm also not sure if Somerset Stone *is* sandstone now I come to think of
it - some kind of hard metamorphic maybe? Lovely stuff whatever it is.

Perhaps if Aberdeen was, say, in the south of Italy and had more than 6
hours of daylight in the winter I might be more convinced of your argument.
But it's a dismal stone for a dreary climate IMO.
And to illustrate my other main point - Aberdeen just got gubbed by Celtic.
Great result at Falkirk though! : )

A W-S

Ian Morrison

2005-09-10 23:36:03 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I'm not saying the physical properties are poor - of course not - it's just
about the best material there is for durabililty and the buildings are
certainly expertly crafted.
Mind you - Bath isn't exactly brand new - there are Victorian and Edwardian
buildings there that also look newly built.. They are used in TV period
dramas all the time.
I'm also not sure if Somerset Stone *is* sandstone now I come to think of
it - some kind of hard metamorphic maybe? Lovely stuff whatever it is.

Oolitic limestone -
http://www.hanson.co.uk/Products-Services/Specialist-building-stone/bath/

Some kinds of sandstone, though, have a matrix comprising
fluorite/barite, in varying proportions, which makes for a facing stone
with very desirable properties. The Permo-Triassic sandstone from
Clashach Quarry, near Hopeman on the Moray Firth, has been popular for
some years now for facing public buildings.

Other building stones, when cut, oxidise to a hard layer which resists
erosion.

Granite, of course, often has a radioactive content which can lead to
radon concentrations in the basements of buildings made of the stuff.
That applies in Aberdeen, I believe, and may account for some of the
innate peculiarities of natives of that city.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-11 02:56:57 UTC

Post by Ian Morrison
Granite, of course, often has a radioactive content
which can lead to radon concentrations in the basements of buildings
made of the stuff. That applies in Aberdeen, I believe, and may account
for some of the innate peculiarities of natives of that city.

One at least :)

Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-11 03:39:06 UTC

One at least :)

It would take more than a little background radiation to cause brain damage
on that scale.

A W-S

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-11 03:54:18 UTC

Post by Ian Morrison
Granite, of course, often has a radioactive content
which can lead to radon concentrations in the basements
of buildingsmade of the stuff. That applies in Aberdeen,
I believe, and may account for some of the innate
peculiarities of natives of that city.

One at least :)

It would take more than a little background radiation
to cause brain damage on that scale.

Hmm! You may have a point there!

--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Nebulous

2005-09-11 07:42:34 UTC

Post by Ian Morrison
Granite, of course, often has a radioactive content which can lead to
radon concentrations in the basements of buildings made of the stuff.
That applies in Aberdeen, I believe, and may account for some of the
innate peculiarities of natives of that city.

Things have gone very quiet on this front recently. There was sufficient
concern at one time to set up a big study across the city. I think they may
have found it wasn't such a big problem as they expected. (I don't live in
a granite house.)

Neb

Shytot

2005-09-11 03:38:52 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just

cannot

Post by Nebulous
stand the greyness.

That includes me - it's a horrible stone with which to build a city and

one

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
of the worst aspects of the town.

"Who turned the colour off?" as a Canadian collegue once said. On a grey

day

Post by Nebulous
grey granite *is* grey. Greyness is its main feature. On a bright, clear
day - I'm with Neb and disagree with you. It's not grey and depressing,

but

Post by Nebulous
silver, sparkly and rather attractive.

All in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Post by Nebulous
Unlike sandstone it also lasts,
doesn't turn back into sand and doesn't discolour.

I'm not saying the physical properties are poor - of course not - it's just
about the best material there is for durabililty and the buildings are
certainly expertly crafted.
Mind you - Bath isn't exactly brand new - there are Victorian and Edwardian
buildings there that also look newly built.. They are used in TV period
dramas all the time.
I'm also not sure if Somerset Stone *is* sandstone now I come to think of
it - some kind of hard metamorphic maybe? Lovely stuff whatever it is.
Perhaps if Aberdeen was, say, in the south of Italy and had more than 6
hours of daylight in the winter I might be more convinced of your argument.
But it's a dismal stone for a dreary climate IMO.
And to illustrate my other main point - Aberdeen just got gubbed by Celtic.
Great result at Falkirk though! : )
A W-S

One of the good things about Auckland is the different colours of the
buildings. They don't have hang ups like Scotland and the council does not
object about it - but cut a tree down and you are in deep water.

Shytot

Shytot

2005-09-11 03:37:04 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just

cannot

Post by Nebulous
stand the greyness.

That includes me - it's a horrible stone with which to build a city and

one

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
of the worst aspects of the town.

"Who turned the colour off?" as a Canadian collegue once said. On a grey day
grey granite *is* grey. Greyness is its main feature. On a bright, clear
day - I'm with Neb and disagree with you. It's not grey and depressing, but
silver, sparkly and rather attractive. Unlike sandstone it also lasts,
doesn't turn back into sand and doesn't discolour. There are some beautiful
Victorian buildings in Aberdeen which look like new, as if a day hadn't gone
by since they were first built.
Don't get me wrong here - if you want a list of Aberdeen's shortcomings, I'm
yer man. But granite isn't one of them.

Personally I used to find the Tennament red sandstone buildings in Glasgow
depressing. Its what you are used to.

Shytot

Custos Custodum

2005-09-11 10:11:29 UTC

Post by Nebulous
I'm not sure that it actually causes suicide, but some people just

cannot

Post by Nebulous
stand the greyness.

That includes me - it's a horrible stone with which to build a city and

one

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
of the worst aspects of the town.

"Who turned the colour off?" as a Canadian collegue once said. On a grey

day

Post by Nebulous
grey granite *is* grey. Greyness is its main feature. On a bright, clear
day - I'm with Neb and disagree with you. It's not grey and depressing,

but

Post by Nebulous
silver, sparkly and rather attractive. Unlike sandstone it also lasts,
doesn't turn back into sand and doesn't discolour. There are some

beautiful

Post by Nebulous
Victorian buildings in Aberdeen which look like new, as if a day hadn't

gone

Post by Nebulous
by since they were first built.
Don't get me wrong here - if you want a list of Aberdeen's shortcomings,

I'm

Post by Nebulous
yer man. But granite isn't one of them.

Personally I used to find the Tennament red sandstone buildings in Glasgow
depressing. Its what you are used to.

You should have seen them when they were black!

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-11 12:19:53 UTC

"Custos Custodum" <***@privacy.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
.

Post by Custos Custodum

Post by Shytot
Personally I used to find the Tennament red sandstone buildings in Glasgow
depressing. Its what you are used to.

You should have seen them when they were black!

Tell me about it.

The first time I saw Glasgow was as an awe-struck seven year old peering
mesmorised through fogged Ford side windows en-route to a camping holiday in
the Highlands with my parents in the early 60's.
The jet black buildings and hellish Gothic industrial landscapes made a
profound impression.
The only light spots were the multi-coloured graffiti offerings from the
ruling gang's - 'Tiger stretch OK' and 'Tongs ya Bas' and the like - whilst
the tabloid headlines screamed 'Glasgow youth in fear' as the rivalries
touched fever point and mindless random razor slashings were epidemic.
I made my mind up there and then - this was the city for me.

A W-S

anon

2005-09-11 18:29:00 UTC

Is it true that the Aberdeen footie club stadium is engulfed with seagulls.
I was told that they engulf the place and shit on players/away fans a like.
By the way a celtic fan told me this.

Mac_Ray

2005-09-11 20:26:51 UTC

Post by anon
Is it true that the Aberdeen footie club stadium is engulfed with seagulls.
I was told that they engulf the place and shit on players/away fans a like.
By the way a celtic fan told me this.

The whole of Aberdeen is engulfed with seagulls. But don't worry about
it....

Nebulous

2005-09-11 20:37:03 UTC

Post by anon
Is it true that the Aberdeen footie club stadium is engulfed with

seagulls.

Post by anon
I was told that they engulf the place and shit on players/away fans a

like.

Post by anon
By the way a celtic fan told me this.

The whole of Aberdeen is engulfed with seagulls. But don't worry about
it....

The City Council have been taking steps to move them on, with some success.
Wheely Bins have taken away a major proportion of their food supply and many
high buildings have been fitted with devices to stop them nesting.

Neb

Elaine Goldberg

2005-09-10 02:14:21 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

Elaine

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-14 10:50:28 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

A W-S

a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk

2005-09-14 15:01:49 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

Axel

Deirdre

2005-09-14 17:51:31 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

The sums up a lot of Scotland in winter.

I have to say I agree with Adam about the greyness
of Aberdeen though...it had always seemed normal
until one year, when I spent from May to September
on Skye and then returned. I'm used to grey skies,
but after almost five months surrounded with green
grass while living in a white house, the overwhelming
grey of the sky, water and buildings of Aberdeen hit
me like a hammer blow...it was almost like becoming
instantaneously suicidal...very depressing.

The buildings do have a nice glint in the sunlight, but
there's just not that much sunlight during the winter
months.

Deirdre

Mac_Ray

2005-09-14 19:10:01 UTC

Post by a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk
I have. Bloody cold.

The sums up a lot of Scotland in winter.
I have to say I agree with Adam about the greyness
of Aberdeen though...it had always seemed normal
until one year, when I spent from May to September
on Skye and then returned. I'm used to grey skies,
but after almost five months surrounded with green
grass while living in a white house, the overwhelming
grey of the sky, water and buildings of Aberdeen hit
me like a hammer blow...it was almost like becoming
instantaneously suicidal...very depressing.

Get outa here! You're all nothing but a bunch of whinging whingers whinging
whingingly. Explain how - if you will, how that description of Aeberdeen
squares with the well known, essentially whimsical effervescence and sunny
disposition of the Aeberdonian character, hmmmm....? Explain please...

See? You can't.

I rests my case.

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-14 22:26:09 UTC

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:10:01 +0100, I read these words from "Mac_Ray"

Post by a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk
I have. Bloody cold.

The sums up a lot of Scotland in winter.
I have to say I agree with Adam about the greyness
of Aberdeen though...it had always seemed normal
until one year, when I spent from May to September
on Skye and then returned. I'm used to grey skies,
but after almost five months surrounded with green
grass while living in a white house, the overwhelming
grey of the sky, water and buildings of Aberdeen hit
me like a hammer blow...it was almost like becoming
instantaneously suicidal...very depressing.

Whit ?
"whimsical effervescence and sunny disposition" ?
You onra bevvy, Mac_Ray ?

Post by Mac_Ray
See? You can't.

Because it doesn't ?

Post by Mac_Ray
I rests my case.

M'luds !
You forgot to add, "M'luds".

-- JJJ

a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk

2005-09-15 09:02:19 UTC

Post by Elaine Goldberg
The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

The sums up a lot of Scotland in winter.

I remember staying in Pusk... we had an open fire but nothing to burn,
so the furniture came in handy.

Axel

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-15 10:09:17 UTC

Post by Elaine Goldberg
The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January.

Post by Elaine Goldberg
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

The sums up a lot of Scotland in winter.

I remember staying in Pusk... we had an open fire but nothing to burn,
so the furniture came in handy.

Furniture?!
Luxury!
When the boards were finished we were down to the floor-joists.

A W-S

a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk

2005-09-15 10:42:30 UTC

Post by Elaine Goldberg
The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January.

Post by Elaine Goldberg
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in

January.

Post by a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk
I have. Bloody cold.

The sums up a lot of Scotland in winter.

I remember staying in Pusk... we had an open fire but nothing to burn,
so the furniture came in handy.

Furniture?!
Luxury!
When the boards were finished we were down to the floor-joists.

Lucky to have wood floors! I remember a flat mate of mine in Crail
could not be bothered washing the dishes... so he threw them out of
the window one by one.

Axel

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-14 19:15:28 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was
in St. Andrews one January. It was my
own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews
in January. In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never*
been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

Me too! but the same could be said for anywhere on the east coast. We had
some wicked cauld blasts in Dysart :)

--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Ian Morrison

2005-09-14 19:22:26 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

I had little choice in the matter for six years - being in St Andrews in
January I mean. It isn't always cold (only when there is a strong north
easterly), and at least it is drier, on average, than almost anywhere
else in Scotland. It hardly ever snows there.

St Andrews is a more attractive place than Aberdeen, IMHO, and the
locals are friendlier, if you aren't a student. The university is older
as well. The mighty Lawrence of Lindores was one of the founders, in
1410, IIRC.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-14 22:14:55 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

Lets face it - Chernobyl is a more attractive place than Aberdeen.

Post by Ian Morrison
and the
locals are friendlier,

You know somewhere they aren't?
Skye perhaps. It's a tough call.

A W-S

Post by Ian Morrison
if you aren't a student. The university is older
as well. The mighty Lawrence of Lindores was one of the founders, in
1410, IIRC.
--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Ian Morrison

2005-09-14 23:03:37 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Lets face it - Chernobyl is a more attractive place than Aberdeen.

I haven't been to Chernobyl. It's probably less radioactive than
Aberdeen I suppose.

Post by Shytot
and the
locals are friendlier,

You know somewhere they aren't?
Skye perhaps. It's a tough call.

Do you know, I always assumed that the locals in Aberdeen were somewhat
"cold" towards me because I have a north east Fife accent and support
(for my sins) Dundee FC?

After reading what you've written, I realise that I have been misguided
- they just don't like people who are not like them! It's nothing
personal at all! Exactly the same as Skye folk, in fact...

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Shytot

2005-09-15 08:17:39 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Lets face it - Chernobyl is a more attractive place than Aberdeen.

I haven't been to Chernobyl. It's probably less radioactive than
Aberdeen I suppose.

Post by Shytot
and the
locals are friendlier,

You know somewhere they aren't?
Skye perhaps. It's a tough call.

Do you know, I always assumed that the locals in Aberdeen were somewhat
"cold" towards me because I have a north east Fife accent and support
(for my sins) Dundee FC?
After reading what you've written, I realise that I have been misguided
- they just don't like people who are not like them! It's nothing
personal at all! Exactly the same as Skye folk, in fact...
--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Thats true...they don't like outsiders much. I dislike you immensly too but
don't take it personally.

Shytot

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-14 22:28:20 UTC

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:22:26 GMT, I read these words from Ian Morrison

Post by Mac_Ray
You're right about the east wind. In the
depths of winter. But I've been
(genuinely) surprised over the years to
have met people who have said they
enjoyed student life there.

The coldest I've been in Scotland, was in St. Andrews one January. It
was my own fault for not wearing a heavier jacket.

I would say it was your fault for being in St.Andrews in January.
In all my years in Scotalnd I have *never* been in St Andrews in January.

I have. Bloody cold.

Is that what's called, "a plea in mitigation" ?

-- JJJ

Ian Morrison

2005-09-14 23:28:57 UTC

Post by Josiah Jenkins
Is that what's called, "a plea in mitigation" ?

I have no particular reason to defend St Andrews. It was an excellent
place in which to go to secondary school, mainly because of the
opportunities to engage in extra-curricular activities such as wave
chasing and rock scrambling. The school I went to is also one of the
best comprehensives in the country, though I could have done without the
green slime (which may have been cabbage, come to think of it) running
down the walls in the dining hall, and the sadism of the gym teachers.
Other than that, my memories of my schooldays there are fairly happy.

I wouldn't want to live in St Andrews though. The East Neuk is much nicer.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-15 10:07:36 UTC

?

I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?

I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?

Tell me again?

A W-S

S Viemeister

2005-09-15 11:42:15 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?
Tell me again?

You've mixed your Ians.

Sheila

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-15 13:00:27 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?
Tell me again?

You've mixed your Ians.

Ah!
Right! - Ian Stuart?

Why does he *do* that anyway? Life's confusing enough for a stupid person
without needless complications.
That young man has no consideration for the afflicted.

A W-S

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 13:31:16 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?
Tell me again?

You've mixed your Ians.

Ah!
Right! - Ian Stuart?

Aye! Except it's Stewart !

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Why does he *do* that anyway? Life's confusing enough
for a stupid person without needless complications.

You said it mind !

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
That young man has no consideration for the afflicted.

Maybe he'll like the 'young man' bit enough to forgive you for the
spelling gaffe:)

--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-15 15:00:35 UTC

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:31:16 -0400, I read these words from "The Real

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?
Tell me again?

You've mixed your Ians.

Ah!
Right! - Ian Stuart?

Aye! Except it's Stewart !

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Why does he *do* that anyway? Life's confusing enough
for a stupid person without needless complications.

You said it mind !

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
That young man has no consideration for the afflicted.

Maybe he'll like the 'young man' bit enough to forgive you for the
spelling gaffe:)

You know me so well, I just posted in that vein.

-- JJJ

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 16:14:14 UTC

Post by Josiah Jenkins

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Ah!
Right! - Ian Stuart?

Aye! Except it's Stewart !

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Why does he *do* that anyway? Life's confusing enough
for a stupid person without needless complications.

You said it mind !

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
That young man has no consideration for the afflicted.

Maybe he'll like the 'young man' bit enough to forgive
you for the spelling gaffe:)

You know me so well, I just posted in that vein.

Oooo! That's scary, innit ? :)

Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-15 14:59:37 UTC

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:00:27 +1200, I read these words from "Adam

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?
Tell me again?

You've mixed your Ians.

Ah!
Right! - Ian Stuart?
Why does he *do* that anyway? Life's confusing enough for a stupid person
without needless complications.
That young man has no consideration for the afflicted.

In view of the "young man" comment, I'll
overlook your mis-spelling of Stewart.

-- JJJ

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 12:05:57 UTC

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?

Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison. It's that disarmingly,
charming keelie ... Ian S who suffers from multiple personality
diso....errr...fugeddit!

On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been known to don cardinal's
robes.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Tell me again?

Do pay attention!

--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

S Viemeister

2005-09-15 12:36:38 UTC

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison. It's that disarmingly,
charming keelie ... Ian S who suffers from multiple personality
diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been known to don cardinal's
robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

Sheila

Ian Morrison

2005-09-15 12:59:26 UTC

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

I think you could be right, but I can't remember what it was and I can't
be *rsed to check Google Groups (I was probably using a Demon e-mail
address back then, but I certainly can't remember what that was).

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 13:57:55 UTC

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

Men!

I found this ... A Wyld Wykkyd Helandman fae Linlithgowshire ... but
somehow don't think this is what I was thinking of.

Whilst looking, I came across this one that made me chuckle...

Rev. Hector MacPint
Wee Wee Freeze Church
**********************************************************************
Read the Rev MacPint's syndicated column in your local rag; Advice and
guidance to the lovelorne, confused and generally f***ed up.
**********************************************************************
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 13:00:18 UTC

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S who
suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been
known to don cardinal's robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one Sheila. I think
you may be right, but it escapes me at the moment.

Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

S Viemeister

2005-09-15 13:25:11 UTC

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S who
suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been
known to don cardinal's robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one Sheila. I think
you may be right, but it escapes me at the moment.

Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Sheila

Ian Morrison

2005-09-15 13:42:17 UTC

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S who
suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been
known to don cardinal's robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one Sheila. I think
you may be right, but it escapes me at the moment.

Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Well done! I had forgotten that one. It was coined by Michael Wade -
remember him?

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

S Viemeister

2005-09-15 13:54:12 UTC

Post by S Viemeister
Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Well done! I had forgotten that one. It was coined by Michael Wade -
remember him?

Yes, indeed! Is he still with The Scotsman?

Sheila

Lesley Robertson

2005-09-15 14:27:21 UTC

Post by S Viemeister
Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Well done! I had forgotten that one. It was coined by Michael Wade -
remember him?

Yes, indeed! Is he still with The Scotsman?

Vanished after we threatened him with the honour of eing the first human
cannon ball in the 1 o'clock gun, didn't he?
Lesley Robertson

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 15:05:28 UTC

Post by S Viemeister
Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Well done! I had forgotten that one. It was coined by Michael Wade -
remember him?

How could we forget. He did some brilliant stuff when he took on his other
persona :)

--
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Ian Morrison

2005-09-15 15:15:11 UTC

Post by S Viemeister
Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Well done! I had forgotten that one. It was coined by Michael Wade -
remember him?

How could we forget. He did some brilliant stuff when he took on his other
persona :)

Prof. Darwin Jackson of Edi Uni's Department of Caustical Humour, wasn't it?

I always thought he was wasted on the sports section of the "Scotsman"
and trust that he has moved on to something where his real talents can
be utilised. I met him a couple of times when he was working on an
educational project for NMS.

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-15 15:05:52 UTC

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:42:17 GMT, I read these words from Ian Morrison

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S who
suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been
known to don cardinal's robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one Sheila. I think
you may be right, but it escapes me at the moment.

Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

Well done! I had forgotten that one. It was coined by Michael Wade -
remember him?

***@somewhere_or_other ?

-- JJJ

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 15:03:16 UTC

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one
Sheila. I think you may be right, but it escapes me at the
moment.

Grizell O'Twatt, wasn't it?

That's the one :)

Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Ian Morrison

2005-09-15 13:40:28 UTC

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S who
suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been
known to don cardinal's robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one Sheila. I think
you may be right, but it escapes me at the moment.

I have connections with Messrs Shirley Knott and Simpson Parkway in the
past. There might have been others. At the time I started posting,
shortly after the group's creation, my e-mail address was
***@nmsdoc.demon.co.uk, but I have also used a variety of web
newsservers over the years, so I could be almost anyone else. I could
even be AW-S, for all I know. Those who were at the final "Birds and
Bees" event last year will know who I definitely am *not*.

Hmmmm, that's a bit convoluted. Must be something in the air...

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

S Viemeister

2005-09-15 13:55:44 UTC

Post by Ian Morrison
I have connections with Messrs Shirley Knott and Simpson Parkway in the
past. There might have been others. At the time I started posting,
shortly after the group's creation, my e-mail address was
newsservers over the years, so I could be almost anyone else. I could
even be AW-S, for all I know. Those who were at the final "Birds and
Bees" event last year will know who I definitely am *not*.
Hmmmm, that's a bit convoluted. Must be something in the air...

I was there.
You are definitely not me.

Sheila

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 14:49:17 UTC

Post by Ian Morrison
I have connections with Messrs Shirley Knott and Simpson Parkway
in the past. There might have been others. At the time I started
posting,
shortly after the group's creation, my e-mail address was
newsservers over the years, so I could be almost anyone else. I could
even be AW-S, for all I know. Those who were at the final "Birds and
Bees" event last year will know who I definitely am *not*.
Hmmmm, that's a bit convoluted. Must be something in the air...

I was there.
You are definitely not me.

Or me :)

Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

Rick

2005-09-15 15:15:14 UTC

Post by Ian Morrison
I have connections with Messrs Shirley Knott and Simpson Parkway
in the past. There might have been others. At the time I started
posting,
shortly after the group's creation, my e-mail address was
newsservers over the years, so I could be almost anyone else. I could
even be AW-S, for all I know. Those who were at the final "Birds and
Bees" event last year will know who I definitely am *not*.
Hmmmm, that's a bit convoluted. Must be something in the air...

I was there.
You are definitely not me.

Or me :)
Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

I'm pretty sure he's not gilrick.
Then again, neither am I...

Ian Morrison

2005-09-15 15:19:46 UTC

Post by Rick
I'm pretty sure he's not gilrick.
Then again, neither am I...

Maybe I should come along to the next Dahlonega/wherever get-together
and show who I'm not over there as well? That would set the cat amongst
the ducks, wouldn't it?

--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Rick

2005-09-15 15:58:26 UTC

Post by Rick
I'm pretty sure he's not gilrick.
Then again, neither am I...

Maybe I should come along to the next Dahlonega/wherever get-together
and show who I'm not over there as well? That would set the cat amongst
the ducks, wouldn't it?
--
Ian O.
http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

We're just simple folk.
Over heah it don't matter so much as to who you aren't as to who you are.
And if you aren't, well... there you are.

The Real Fifeshire Bimbo

2005-09-15 14:48:24 UTC

I could be almost anyone else. I could even be AW-S, for all I know.

!! Heaven forfend !!

Cheers, Helen
hramsay at cogeco dot ca
Defender of M$OE

S Viemeister

2005-09-15 16:50:45 UTC

I could be almost anyone else. I could even be AW-S, for all I know.

!! Heaven forfend !!

Well - they _are_ both *nglish-born.......

Sheila

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-15 15:09:06 UTC

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:40:28 GMT, I read these words from Ian Morrison

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S who
suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been
known to don cardinal's robes.

Wasn't there yet another persona, some years back?

We'll have to wait for His Excellency to solve that one Sheila. I think
you may be right, but it escapes me at the moment.

Glenallan ? shirley not, Shirley Knott !

-- JJJ

Josiah Jenkins

2005-09-15 15:04:14 UTC

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:05:57 -0400, I read these words from "The Real

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
?
I've got this wrong again hav'nt I?
I thought Josiah Jenkins and Ian Morrison were the same person?

Ian O. Morrison is always/only Ian O. Morrison.

You certain ?
Cardinal Lin Dores ?

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
It's that disarmingly, charming keelie ... Ian S

Aw, shucks.

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
who suffers from multiple personality diso....errr...fugeddit!

You were doing so well . . . for a moment.

Post by The Real Fifeshire Bimbo
On second thoughts, Ian O has occasionally been known
to don cardinal's robes.

Aaah, you remembered at the last moment ?

-- JJJ

Mac_Ray

2005-09-09 12:40:33 UTC

Post by annon
Thank you v much.

Nae bother. Enjoy yourself.

Thanks guys. That was quiet reassuring. What about outside the oil industry
and into the University itself, is the environment there also relaxed?

Yup. Like I said before you will propabably meet some idiots, because they
exist everywhere. Their equivalents also live in Asia/Africa/Americas etc
etc. The truth of the matter is that it is not about who you are or where
you are or what you look like, it's about the people you will meet and your
attitude to life. If you don't get on with people it'll be because you have
a stinking personality, if you do get on with people it's because you don't
have a stinking personality. Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you will do fine.

Elaine Goldberg

2005-09-10 02:11:47 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you
will do fine.

.......and, it's not even that cold! I was walking around Aberdeen
last December, with only a light sweatshirt-type jacket over a sweater
(jumper) and jeans.

I've visited Scotland 3 separate times during the middle of winter, and
it's never been very cold, IMHO.

Elaine

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-10 04:33:57 UTC

Post by Mac_Ray
Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you
will do fine.

.......and, it's not even that cold! I was walking around Aberdeen
last December, with only a light sweatshirt-type jacket over a sweater
(jumper) and jeans.
I've visited Scotland 3 separate times during the middle of winter, and
it's never been very cold, IMHO.

You were lucky then. It can go to minus 18 C in Aberdeen and that's not even
counting the wind chill factor.

A W-S

Paul C

2005-09-10 07:35:01 UTC

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:33:57 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Mac_Ray
Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you
will do fine.

.......and, it's not even that cold! I was walking around Aberdeen
last December, with only a light sweatshirt-type jacket over a sweater
(jumper) and jeans.
I've visited Scotland 3 separate times during the middle of winter, and
it's never been very cold, IMHO.

You were lucky then. It can go to minus 18 C in Aberdeen and that's not even
counting the wind chill factor.

Nonsense. Are you equating Aberdeen with Braemar?

Adam Whyte-Settlar

2005-09-10 11:30:36 UTC

Post by Paul C
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:33:57 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Mac_Ray
Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you
will do fine.

.......and, it's not even that cold! I was walking around Aberdeen
last December, with only a light sweatshirt-type jacket over a sweater
(jumper) and jeans.
I've visited Scotland 3 separate times during the middle of winter, and
it's never been very cold, IMHO.

You were lucky then. It can go to minus 18 C in Aberdeen and that's not even
counting the wind chill factor.

Nonsense. Are you equating Aberdeen with Braemar?

<groan>
Do I really *have* to go and get the figures?
I get sick of everyone saying 'have you got a cite for that' every time I
open my mouth.
FFS!

Here! Just for you.
The lowest temperatures by month - as you can see 'it can go to minus 18 not
even counting the wind chill factor'
You can even get a frost in August!

Year Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dec.
°C -18 -15 -11 -3 -3 0 2
0 -2 -3 -15 -13
Years Charted: 20
Source: International Station Meteorological Climate Summary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/weather/longterm/historical/data/aberdeen_unitedkingdom.htm

Happy now?

A W-S

Nebulous

2005-09-10 13:25:57 UTC

Post by Paul C
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:33:57 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Mac_Ray
Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you
will do fine.

.......and, it's not even that cold! I was walking around Aberdeen
last December, with only a light sweatshirt-type jacket over a sweater
(jumper) and jeans.
I've visited Scotland 3 separate times during the middle of winter, and
it's never been very cold, IMHO.

You were lucky then. It can go to minus 18 C in Aberdeen and that's not

even

Post by Paul C

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
counting the wind chill factor.

Nonsense. Are you equating Aberdeen with Braemar?

<groan>
Do I really *have* to go and get the figures?
I get sick of everyone saying 'have you got a cite for that' every time I
open my mouth.
FFS!
Here! Just for you.
The lowest temperatures by month - as you can see 'it can go to minus 18 not
even counting the wind chill factor'
You can even get a frost in August!
Year Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dec.
°C -18 -15 -11 -3 -3 0 2
0 -2 -3 -15 -13
Years Charted: 20
Source: International Station Meteorological Climate Summary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/weather/longterm/historical/data/aberde
en_unitedkingdom.htm
Look on the bright side. In June, July and August it never goes below 0 °C.

I never said it wasn't cold!

Neb

Shytot

2005-09-11 03:35:10 UTC

Post by Paul C
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:33:57 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Mac_Ray
Your robust response to the twit shyot -
whoever he is - suggests to me that you
will do fine.

.......and, it's not even that cold! I was walking around Aberdeen
last December, with only a light sweatshirt-type jacket over a sweater
(jumper) and jeans.
I've visited Scotland 3 separate times during the middle of winter, and
it's never been very cold, IMHO.

You were lucky then. It can go to minus 18 C in Aberdeen and that's not

even

Post by Paul C

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
counting the wind chill factor.

Nonsense. Are you equating Aberdeen with Braemar?

<groan>
Do I really *have* to go and get the figures?
I get sick of everyone saying 'have you got a cite for that' every time I
open my mouth.
FFS!
Here! Just for you.
The lowest temperatures by month - as you can see 'it can go to minus 18 not
even counting the wind chill factor'
You can even get a frost in August!
Year Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dec.
°C -18 -15 -11 -3 -3 0 2
0 -2 -3 -15 -13
Years Charted: 20
Source: International Station Meteorological Climate Summary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/weather/longterm/historical/data/aberde
en_unitedkingdom.htm

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Happy now?
A W-S

That was the same year it was -20C in Glasgow. I remember it well.The
Plumbers made a fortune.

Shytot

Teachdaire

2005-09-09 14:49:56 UTC

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:37:58 +0000 (UTC), "annon"

Post by annon
I am looking forward to studying at Aberdeen University this term. I
currently live in London. So, if possible could anyone here give me any
information about the attitude towards ethnic minorities at Aberdeen?

As long as you're not a Sheep you should be okay...

Ducking And Running,

---Teachdaire

Paul C

2005-09-09 15:27:23 UTC

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:37:58 +0000 (UTC), "annon"

Provided you emphasise the fact you are Asian rather than English you
will have no problems.

Mac_Ray

2005-09-09 15:34:10 UTC

Post by Teachdaire
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:37:58 +0000 (UTC), "annon"

Provided you emphasise the fact you are Asian rather than English you
will have no problems.

Aberdeen's full of English people Paul.

Shytot

2005-09-09 17:46:30 UTC