[tw] [TW5 Workflow] The Stealth NewHere Method! PLEASE READ

[Mat]

"Please read" because I think you will find this valuable.
"Stealth" because it is about doing things silently and invisibly.

I've figured out how to create tiddlers in a very direct way. This solves a
problem I've had with TW for as long as I recall - namely that it is
surprisingly slow and complex to create a "note" in this note-taking tool
of ours. So much so that I can't use TW for *live *notetaking like during
lectures or even quick scribbles (I've used Cinta notes instead). TW is
more about *managing *notes than *taking *notes... but this might just
change:


Stealth NewHere
Simply put this in a tiddler:

<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"

class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" />

<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"

tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} />

<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"

tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} />

This adds three editor fields; title, tags and text. (Note: you should not
create the $:/temp/Stealth tiddler. It is automatically created on using
the editor fields.)


Fill in a title. As soon as you type into any of the other fields, a
tiddler is silently created (as evidenced in tab Recent). Tags with spaces
are [[written like this]].

Content is automatically stored in this new tiddler, no button to click.

If you want a second new tiddler, just change the title and the other
fields are automatically reset.


For this to be convenient, the fields would have to be permanently exposed
or toggled stick/hide somewhere. I'll return to this issue in a second, but
this brings up one more application for this - a "parallel editor:


Parallel editor
If you into the title editor field enter the name of an *existing *tiddler,
you see the code for it. I have created a sidebar tab with various tools,
including an empty title and text editor field so that I can keep a tiddler
in view mode in the river but change it *live *by manipulating the content
in the editor. Ever since I found this "method" a few weeks back, I have
found I use this live editing quite a lot in my experiments. It is
particularly useful when experimenting with CSS.


Help needed
Ok, so to put it in the sidebar is one thing. But I'm hoping to have the
3-field setup more permanently accessible as the main route for creating
new tiddlers (instead of the NewHere button).

Here's a mockup with a possible layout. Please click to enlarge.

<Loading Image...>

The thumbtack refers to some type of top up/down slider that can to stick
or unstick depending on if you want to create a new tiddler or are in more
of a reading mood.
I was very happy the other day to see that fellow Jed is creating a version
of popout menus
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/Text%20Menus/upgrade.html>. I don't
know if they could work in this context though? @Jed

I have a lot of further ideas on the matter but would like to hear your
thoughts and ideas first. Not least, for it to be practical as a live
note-taking tool I would need help with the popout slider bit.


Hope it is of value for someone.

<:-)

[Andreas Hahn]

Hi Mat,

very cool idea, I think putting it above the story would be good, maybe
I will try to do that later. One thing of note is that you can't change
the title (as in rename the tiddler) after you started typing in the
text field.

When it comes to the Parallel editor. There is a good reason that TW
uses a Draft system by default to prevent data loss. It currently
unfortunately comes at the expense of live-updates. So your parallel
editor is a workable solution, I am however waiting for someone to
create a theme that offers the option of having 2 storyrivers side by
side, I think that would come in handy sometimes.

Also there is hotkeys. If I am not mistaken TW already offers hotkeys
for creating and saving new tiddlers, but I can imagine that in your
quest to creating a stealthy note taking experience, you might want to
start making hotkeys for some tasks.

/Andreas

[PMario]

A very interesting approach:
The very first iteration I could think of would look like this:

Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your story
river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)


<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">

!!! Fast Note

<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>

[David Gifford]

Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!

Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your story
river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>

[Måns]

Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave

Great idea :-)

@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
neccesary - however it works..:

\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}

<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">

!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>

<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>

This gives you the standard tag picker frame...

Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson

Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your story
river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>

[David Gifford]

Thanks Mans!

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>
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[Måns]

Aaah.
Had to change it a little or it would refresh the title on every keystroke:

\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">

!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Hurtig note</$link>

<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$set name="properTitle"
value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}><<getProperTag>></$set>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>

Enjoy

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>

[David Gifford]

Hurting note? I don't want this to hurt.

Post by MÃ¥ns
Aaah.
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Hurtig note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$set name="properTitle"
value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}><<getProperTag>></$set>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
Enjoy

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>
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[Måns]

With my snippet - you will have to write some text or you will not be able
to set a tag...
The tiddler has to be created - It's not created untill you add text to
it...

Post by MÃ¥ns
Aaah.
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Hurtig note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$set name="properTitle"
value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}><<getProperTag>></$set>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
Enjoy

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>

[Måns]

:-) Sorry - didn't mean to copy the danish term for fast/quick - which *is*
"hurtig" - not hurting :-)

Cheers

Post by MÃ¥ns
With my snippet - you will have to write some text or you will not be able
to set a tag...
The tiddler has to be created - It's not created untill you add text to
it...

Post by MÃ¥ns
Aaah.
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Hurtig note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$set name="properTitle"
value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}><<getProperTag>></$set>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
Enjoy

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but
ingenious...if the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current
tags, this could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>

[David Gifford]

You could use the Hawaiian word...Wiki

Post by MÃ¥ns
:-) Sorry - didn't mean to copy the danish term for fast/quick - which
*is* "hurtig" - not hurting :-)
Cheers

Post by MÃ¥ns
With my snippet - you will have to write some text or you will not be
able to set a tag...
The tiddler has to be created - It's not created untill you add text to
it...

Post by MÃ¥ns
Aaah.
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Hurtig note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$set name="properTitle"
value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}><<getProperTag>></$set>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
Enjoy

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag()
{{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but
ingenious...if the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current
tags, this could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>
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[Sylvain Naudin]

Thanks Mat to start this thread, it's an interesting approach :)

It remind me a little this Stephan Hradek post last November :
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/GHrWuZAQIN8/discussion

Cheers,
Sylvain

[Jon]

Thanks, Mat - very useful.

Regards
Jon

Post by Sylvain Naudin
Thanks Mat to start this thread, it's an interesting approach :)
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/GHrWuZAQIN8/discussion
Cheers,
Sylvain

[PMario]

:-) Sorry - didn't mean to copy the danish word for fast/quick - which
*is* "hurtig" - not hurting :-)

yea. hurtig traktor

!
-m

[Måns]

Hi Mario

Post by PMario
yea. hurtig traktor http://youtu.be/CK1-h2YyNFw !

:-)

Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson

[Alex Hough]

yes!!!!

this is good.


Alex

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mario

Post by PMario
yea. hurtig traktor http://youtu.be/CK1-h2YyNFw !

:-)
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
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[Alex Hough]

MÃ¥ns - that has my eyes watering ... so funny....

Post by Alex Hough
yes!!!!
this is good.
Alex

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mario

Post by PMario
yea. hurtig traktor http://youtu.be/CK1-h2YyNFw !

:-)
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[Måns]

Hi TwWizards

How can I create a button with a popout which will *not* close when I edit
the fields of the FastNote template?

This looks fine to me:

<$button popup="$:/WikiNotePopupState">~WikiNote</$button>

<$reveal type="popup" state="$:/WikiNotePopupState">
<div class="tc-drop-down">

{{Fast Note}}

</div>
</$reveal>

When I click on a textfield the popup closes.....

I remember @Jed did something with his mobile menu which stopped it from
closing - and I try to find out how it can be done with this "standard
popup"..

Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson

Post by MÃ¥ns
Aaah.
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Hurtig note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$set name="properTitle"
value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}><<getProperTag>></$set>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
Enjoy

Post by MÃ¥ns
Hi Mat, Andreas, Pmario and Dave
Great idea :-)
@Dave - My variation looks like this (not sure if every element is
\define getProperTag() {{$(properTitle)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}
<$set name="properTitle" value={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! <$link to={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}}>Quick Note</$link>
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<<getProperTag>>
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="your text"/>
</div>
</$set>
This gives you the standard tag picker frame...
Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson
Example: http://digitalkinabog.tiddlyspot.com/

Post by David Gifford
Wow, this is fascinating and for me, counterintuitive but ingenious...if
the tags field could have the dropdown for choosing current tags, this
could be pretty useful!
Dave

Post by PMario
Create a tiddler eg: FastNote
and tag it: $:/tags/AboveStory so it will stick at the top of your
story river. ... The sticky / expand / collapse thing is a todo atm :)
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
!!! Fast Note
<$edit tiddler="$:/temp/Stealth" field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" default="ooo" placeholder="title"/>
<$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="tags" />
<$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/Stealth!!newtitle}} placeholder="text"/>
</div>

[Måns]

Sorry - I didn't look long enough... A usable class is already present in
the core

<$button popup="$:/WikiNotePopupState">~WikiNote</$button>

<$reveal type="popup" state="$:/WikiNotePopupState">
<div class="tc-popup-keep">

{{Fast Note}}

</div>
</$reveal>

Now if I remove the "$:/tags/AboveStory" tag from the "Fast Note" tiddler
and add it to the new "WikiNote" tiddler - I get what I want :-)

TW5 is an awesome piece of software :-)

Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson

[Jed Carty]

The popout menus could work with this. The only problem is that CSS
dislikes me almost as much as I dislike it. I am certain that it is
possible, but I get annoyed with CSS very quickly and positioning the popup
appropriately for different sized screens and windows is something I keep
having trouble with.

Adding this to the 'make new stuff' icon in my mobile theme
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/NewBrainTest/> would be easy, you
could have the three field inputs either above or below the list of other
items by default, or you could have one of the options open up the menu
with the fields. It could also be added the same way as the menu that
appears when you click on the icon in the center of the top of the sceen
for this example <http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/Text%20Menus/> to use
the pin like you have in the picture.

Either way I think that this would be a good addition. And I think I am
going to have to use your parallel editor idea, maybe it will make CSS a
bit less painful.

[Mat]

Guys, I'm so happy you find it valuable! Thank you for your great ideas on
it!

MÃ¥ns, thank you for reporting on your stuff for it. I played around and
currently have it show *both *a "tags editor" and a "tagpill field" as they
both have their different advantages. (In the following I changed the
tiddler and parameter titles somewhat.)


*Code*
title:FastNewTiddler
tags: (no particular tag)

\define getTagPill() {{$(tagPill)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}

Post by PMario
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
<table>
<tr><td colspan="2"><$edit tiddler="$:/temp/FastNewTiddler"
field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" placeholder="title"/></td>
</tr>
<tr><th><$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}
placeholder="tags" /></th>
<th><$set name="tagPill"
value={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}><<getTagPill>></$set></th>
</tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"><$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}
placeholder="text"/></td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>

It would be good if it selecting tagpills created the tiddler, just like
filling in a tag manually does. Maybe there could be some onclick trigger
as soon as you click the empty tagpill field? I assume there must already
be soem onclick trigger to have the tag dropdown list appear, so maybe this
could do the same to the non-existing tiddler that typing into the text
field does?


A nicer idea for a button

To get the FastNewTiddler template to stick to story top I'm using a button
based on *$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu* i.e the sidebar toggle (in the TW upper
right corner). I place this button among the page controls (i.e next to the
NewHere, Ctrlpanel, Save buttons). It is intended to toggle the tag
"$:/tags/AboveStory" in the tiddler (now named) *FastNewTiddler.* It
succeeds in toggling *on*, i.e it succeeds in applying the tag *$:/tags/AboveStory
*to FastNewTiddler but it fails to toggle off, i.e to remove, that tag when
clicking the button.


*Toggle for FastNewTiddler *(based on *$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu)*
title: FastNewTiddlerButton
tag: $:/tags/PageControls

<$reveal state="$:/state/FastNewTiddler" type="nomatch" text="no">

Post by PMario
<$button set="FastNewTiddler!!tags" setTo="$:/tags/AboveStory"
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/chevron-down}}</$button>
</$reveal>
<$reveal state="$:/state/FastNewTiddler" type="match" text="no">
<$button set="FastNewTiddler!!tags" setTo="XXXXX"
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/chevron-up}}</$button>
</$reveal>

On tw.com I find the tiddler WidgetMessage tm-remove-tag
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#WidgetMessage%3A%20tm-remove-tag> which might be
relevant but I don't know how.
In summary, the idea is simply to have a button toggle a tag between
existance and 'nothing' on a remote tiddler.
Any ideas?



Combining regular NewTiddler and FastNewTiddler

An additional idea, taking the best of two worlds for creating new
tiddlers. Scenario:

The user clicks the normal NewHere button (the "plus") in the sidebar and
gets the usual EditTemplate.
...or so it seems! In fact, what opens is the FastNewTiddler template.
Here you can create one tiddler and click done and get the normal new
tiddler behaviour (i.e the EditMode switches over to ViewMode and you have
your new tiddler).

...OR you *don't* click Done but instead use the FastNewHere features to
keep on creating new tiddlers.

The only restriction from normal New Tiddler creation is that you can't
change the title.

Actually, these things could all be part of a "stick it" button. Unstuck,
you have the regular NewTiddler template. Stuck, you get the FastNewTiddler
template.


Hm, does this mean that instead of OP under "A nicer idea for a button",
the toggling button should be part of the template for the NewTiddler
editview template? ...


<:-)

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

Great stuff, well done. Is there a canned demo available on TiddlySpot or
somewhere?

Best wishes

Jeremy

Post by Mat
Guys, I'm so happy you find it valuable! Thank you for your great ideas on
it!
MÃ¥ns, thank you for reporting on your stuff for it. I played around and
currently have it show *both *a "tags editor" and a "tagpill field" as
they both have their different advantages. (In the following I changed the
tiddler and parameter titles somewhat.)
*Code*
title:FastNewTiddler
tags: (no particular tag)
\define getTagPill() {{$(tagPill)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags}}

Post by PMario
<div class="tc-tiddler-frame">
<table>
<tr><td colspan="2"><$edit tiddler="$:/temp/FastNewTiddler"
field="newtitle"
class="tc-edit-texteditor" placeholder="title"/></td>
</tr>
<tr><th><$edit field="tags" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}
placeholder="tags" /></th>
<th><$set name="tagPill"
value={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}><<getTagPill>></$set></th>
</tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"><$edit field="text" class="tc-edit-texteditor"
tiddler={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}
placeholder="text"/></td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>

It would be good if it selecting tagpills created the tiddler, just like
filling in a tag manually does. Maybe there could be some onclick trigger
as soon as you click the empty tagpill field? I assume there must already
be soem onclick trigger to have the tag dropdown list appear, so maybe this
could do the same to the non-existing tiddler that typing into the text
field does?
A nicer idea for a button
To get the FastNewTiddler template to stick to story top I'm using a
button based on *$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu* i.e the sidebar toggle (in the
TW upper right corner). I place this button among the page controls (i.e
next to the NewHere, Ctrlpanel, Save buttons). It is intended to toggle the
tag "$:/tags/AboveStory" in the tiddler (now named) *FastNewTiddler.* It
succeeds in toggling *on*, i.e it succeeds in applying the tag *$:/tags/AboveStory
*to FastNewTiddler but it fails to toggle off, i.e to remove, that tag
when clicking the button.
*Toggle for FastNewTiddler *(based on *$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu)*
title: FastNewTiddlerButton
tag: $:/tags/PageControls
<$reveal state="$:/state/FastNewTiddler" type="nomatch" text="no">

Post by PMario
<$button set="FastNewTiddler!!tags" setTo="$:/tags/AboveStory"
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/chevron-down}}</$button>
</$reveal>
<$reveal state="$:/state/FastNewTiddler" type="match" text="no">
<$button set="FastNewTiddler!!tags" setTo="XXXXX"
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/chevron-up}}</$button>
</$reveal>

On tw.com I find the tiddler WidgetMessage tm-remove-tag
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#WidgetMessage%3A%20tm-remove-tag> which might be
relevant but I don't know how.
In summary, the idea is simply to have a button toggle a tag between
existance and 'nothing' on a remote tiddler.
Any ideas?
Combining regular NewTiddler and FastNewTiddler
An additional idea, taking the best of two worlds for creating new
The user clicks the normal NewHere button (the "plus") in the sidebar and
gets the usual EditTemplate.
...or so it seems! In fact, what opens is the FastNewTiddler template.
Here you can create one tiddler and click done and get the normal new
tiddler behaviour (i.e the EditMode switches over to ViewMode and you have
your new tiddler).
...OR you *don't* click Done but instead use the FastNewHere features to
keep on creating new tiddlers.
The only restriction from normal New Tiddler creation is that you can't
change the title.
Actually, these things could all be part of a "stick it" button. Unstuck,
you have the regular NewTiddler template. Stuck, you get the FastNewTiddler
template.
Hm, does this mean that instead of OP under "A nicer idea for a button",
the toggling button should be part of the template for the NewTiddler
editview template? ...
<:-)
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[Mat]

Post by Jeremy Ruston
Great stuff, well done. Is there a canned demo available on TiddlySpot or
somewhere?

FastNewTiddler <http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/>

<:-)

[Alberto Molina]

Wow! I like very much the idea. Thanks for sharing Mat!

Alberto

Post by Mat

Post by Jeremy Ruston
Great stuff, well done. Is there a canned demo available on TiddlySpot or
somewhere?

FastNewTiddler <http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/>
<:-)

[David Gifford]

Mat, this is really great! Is there a way for users to tweak it to include
custom fields?

Post by Mat

Post by Jeremy Ruston
Great stuff, well done. Is there a canned demo available on TiddlySpot or
somewhere?

FastNewTiddler <http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/>
<:-)
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Dave,

edit FastNewTiddler
insert tis before the line </table>

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class="tc-edit-texteditor" tiddler={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}
placeholder="customfield"/></td>
</tr>
</table>

Pit

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Mat, this is really great! Is there a way for users to tweak it to
include custom fields?
Great stuff, well done. Is there a canned demo available on
TiddlySpot or somewhere?
FastNewTiddler <http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/>
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Post by Mat

Post by Jeremy Ruston
Great stuff, well done. Is there a canned demo available on TiddlySpot or
somewhere?

FastNewTiddler <http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/>

Nice!
but imo the tag dropdown doesn't work. Tested with FF, Chromium on win 8.1
-m

[Jed Carty]

I have added some of the improvements we talked about in the hangout. I put
the version I modified here
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FastNewTiddler/>.

Mario,

The tag dropdown should work now.

[David Gifford]

Hi Jed

First of all, once again I want to thank all involved for this great new
idea for TW.

One thing that I like about TW5 that unfortunately this stealth mode
doesn't have, yet, is that in TW5 the text "Type the text for the
tiddler..." is not actually text in the text field but background text that
disappears when you insert your cursor. In this stealth mode, by contrast,
I am having to delete the text first before typing. If the intent is to
make note-taking speedier, then the user should not have to delete text
from the note before typing it. Hopefully there is a way to make this
improvement.

Dave

Post by Jed Carty
I have added some of the improvements we talked about in the hangout. I
put the version I modified here
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FastNewTiddler/>.
Mario,
The tag dropdown should work now.

[David Gifford]

By stealth mode I mean FastNewTiddler method. Sorry if I caused any
confusion.

Dave

Post by David Gifford
Hi Jed
First of all, once again I want to thank all involved for this great new
idea for TW.
One thing that I like about TW5 that unfortunately this stealth mode
doesn't have, yet, is that in TW5 the text "Type the text for the
tiddler..." is not actually text in the text field but background text that
disappears when you insert your cursor. In this stealth mode, by contrast,
I am having to delete the text first before typing. If the intent is to
make note-taking speedier, then the user should not have to delete text
from the note before typing it. Hopefully there is a way to make this
improvement.
Dave

Post by Jed Carty
I have added some of the improvements we talked about in the hangout. I
put the version I modified here
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FastNewTiddler/>.
Mario,
The tag dropdown should work now.

[Mat]

@Jed (I thought a G+ connection would cause your email-address to show up
in my gmail but apparently not. I don't use G+ generally so I'll post here
as it may be of general interest anyway)

First of all: JED YOU ARE DOING INCREDIBLE STUFF WITH THIS!

Guys, you should check out Jeds page for this here
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FastNewTiddler/>. I've copied his
stuff into the fastnewtiddler <http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/>
tiddlyspot.

@Jed - I've also updated the Todo (please help)
<http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#Todo%20(please%20help)> tiddler -
and, obviously, there are your points in your Hi!
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FastNewTiddler/#Hi!> tiddler.

In particular, it is interesting to note how your "edit tiddler" feature
turned out so much simpler and better than my thoughts about freezing and
graying out stuff.

Anyone who feels compelled, please come with input and/or improvements.

<:-)

[Mat]

@Jed

some new icons added.

"Type the text for the tiddler..." ... I am having to delete the text
first before typing

I of course agree with your point.

Actually, I''m thinking that FNT is probably not for absolute beginners so
fast/efficient should probably be higher priority than beginner
friendly.For instance, I don't think we need a "Type the text for the
tiddler" at all.

Opinions?

<:-)

[Sylvain Naudin]

Post by Mat
Actually, I''m thinking that FNT is probably not for absolute beginners so
fast/efficient should probably be higher priority than beginner
friendly.For instance, I don't think we need a "Type the text for the
tiddler" at all.
Opinions?

I agree (twice).

And I've notice that it's not easy (and lose time) if we use key Tab (with
many tag, it's not practical).


Sylvain

[Mat]

Post by Sylvain Naudin
I agree (twice).
And I've notice that it's not easy (and lose time) if we use key Tab (with
many tag, it's not practical).

I'm thinking a Tab key cycle with: *title - tags - text - title - tags.*..
would be powerful, i.e: skipping all the tagpill halts and after text you
returning to title but which also resets it to blank. This should make for
very fast tiddler production. It is at the cost of missing out on the
tagpill benefits (e.g inserting longer tags) but such matters can be a
post-editing matter.

One could also imagine that during one such tiddler production session, one
would want a recurring tag (e.g "Lecture#3") and then lock/freeze the tag
field with this and have tab skip tags alltogether. title - text - title -
text ....

<:-)

[Sylvain Naudin]

Post by Mat
One could also imagine that during one such tiddler production session,
one would want a recurring tag (e.g "Lecture#3") and then lock/freeze the
tag field with this and have tab skip tags alltogether. title - text -
title - text ....

Yes, it's an interesting approach.

[PMario]

OUCH!!!!! --- Take a break!

Folks,
I think there's nothing left from the initial idea to have a fast and easy
way to take *one new note*.

Compare the FastNewTiddler UI with a standard NewTiddler UI.
You'll see, that it looks very, very similar. ... *but *the "standard
NewTiddler" works.

Now the FastNewTiddler has a toolbar?!? ... IMO there should be only one
button. "Done" which closes it.

I was intrigued by the idea, that there should be a fast "throw away
interface" to create a single new tiddler. If the tiddler is created, the
UI should go out of my way.

- If the tiddler is created it shows up in the "recent" sidebar. -> done.

- If I want to open this tiddler for refactoring I use the existing UI. ->
I click it in the sidebar, which opens a standard tiddler UI. -> done

- If I want to edit this new tiddler I click the existing edit button from
the existing standard UI -> done


Now the FastNewTiddler is/should be, what we call in German an "eierlegende
wollmilchsau <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eierlegende_Wollmilchsau>".
And now it should become the "Transclude first paragraph eierlegende
wollmilchsau
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/lN3GO7AIsoc>" ..

Sorry Mat I don't want to be harsh, but I think you get the gist. I still
think the original idea is great! ... IMO there is a reason, why you get
overwhelmed. ...

Please step back and have a look at the big picture. The "eierlegende
wollmilchsau" is an illusion!

What really works is "separation of concerns" - "Do one thing well and
combine them later" (That's how most things in TW work;)

Quoting from wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns>

The value of separation of concerns is simplifying development and

maintenance of computer programs. When concerns are well-separated,
individual sections can be reused, as well as developed and updated
independently. Of special value is the ability to later improve or modify
one section of code without having to know the details of other sections,
and without having to make corresponding changes to those sections.

Sorry I'm not really sure what
http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#Todo%20%28please%20help%29 should do.
But imo everything it proposes is already working at tiddlywiky.com out of
the box. Just the UI is different and imo more confusing.

just my 2 cents.

have fun!
mario
PS: Damn it. I don't want to sound like a schoolmaster :/ Sorry folks!

[David Gifford]

Now Mario, be nice...:-)

My adaptations tended to be the same way...I would experiment with one
innovation, but then that would morph into a specific vision of an end
product TW, with all kinds of bells and whistles to aid a workflow I had in
my head.

I think what you are ultimately saying, Mario, and I would agree, is that
he should keep the simple, central innovation of the fast new tiddler
process in one location, teased out, so that it doesn't get overloaded or
crowded out by peripherals, and that he should work toward the specific
vision he has for its use and context, with peripherals, etc, in another
location.

Dave

Post by PMario
OUCH!!!!! --- Take a break!
Folks,
I think there's nothing left from the initial idea to have a fast and easy
way to take *one new note*.
Compare the FastNewTiddler UI with a standard NewTiddler UI.
You'll see, that it looks very, very similar. ... *but *the "standard
NewTiddler" works.
Now the FastNewTiddler has a toolbar?!? ... IMO there should be only one
button. "Done" which closes it.
I was intrigued by the idea, that there should be a fast "throw away
interface" to create a single new tiddler. If the tiddler is created, the
UI should go out of my way.
- If the tiddler is created it shows up in the "recent" sidebar. -> done.
- If I want to open this tiddler for refactoring I use the existing UI.
-> I click it in the sidebar, which opens a standard tiddler UI. -> done
- If I want to edit this new tiddler I click the existing edit button
from the existing standard UI -> done
Now the FastNewTiddler is/should be, what we call in German an "eierlegende
wollmilchsau <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eierlegende_Wollmilchsau>".
And now it should become the "Transclude first paragraph eierlegende
wollmilchsau
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/lN3GO7AIsoc>" ..
Sorry Mat I don't want to be harsh, but I think you get the gist. I still
think the original idea is great! ... IMO there is a reason, why you get
overwhelmed. ...
Please step back and have a look at the big picture. The "eierlegende
wollmilchsau" is an illusion!
What really works is "separation of concerns" - "Do one thing well and
combine them later" (That's how most things in TW work;)
Quoting from wikipedia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns>
The value of separation of concerns is simplifying development and

maintenance of computer programs. When concerns are well-separated,
individual sections can be reused, as well as developed and updated
independently. Of special value is the ability to later improve or modify
one section of code without having to know the details of other sections,
and without having to make corresponding changes to those sections.

Sorry I'm not really sure what
http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#Todo%20%28please%20help%29 should
do. But imo everything it proposes is already working at tiddlywiky.com
out of the box. Just the UI is different and imo more confusing.
just my 2 cents.
have fun!
mario
PS: Damn it. I don't want to sound like a schoolmaster :/ Sorry folks!
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[Måns]

@Dave I would agree in keeping things as simple as possible when sharing
them with others and go crazy when you're at home... - however:

I was one of those kids who loved to play with lego - We didn't have lego
at home so when we were out and I got the oppertunity I was totally
immersed in playing with lego bricks and forgot everything else...
I never had enough time to finish a (lego) project - and I guess I was a
very satisfied kid anyway - even if there was no final result...

To me TiddlyWiki is like playing with lego. Someone else made the bricks
and sometimes I'll have to change them a little or make small
clusters/modules to make them fit my initial idea.

The point is that I am able to keep track of the initial idea even if some
of the bricks are missing or can't be found exactly when I need them...

Mat's vision of a "quick note edit template" is a wonderfull challenge -
and I personally feel invited to try and see what I can come up with even
if I know I am more a member of the "laymans club of happy hobbyists" when
it comes to the art of coding...

My own follow up on his idea is this: http://kinabog.tiddlyspot.com/
It's probably just me who can see how fantastic it is - and that I had so
much fun implementing some of Jed's stuff, Mat's fast new tiddler idea,
Matabeles widget, Roma's GSD5, some style/theme tweaks... - and I even made
some of it into a plugin with Andreas' Tinka .... (my first one - and *not*
anything anyone would need....) - I'm a happy camper :-)

I think I get where @Mat is heading with his ideas - and I'd love to see
what he ends up with.
With the generous help of this community (@Jed in particular) I'm sure
there's a lot to be learned about what can be created with the tools
already at hand - and what needs to be done to make it even easier for
everyone to be able to create their own "Dreammachine" in a TiddlyWiki :-)

Cheers MÃ¥ns MÃ¥rtensson

Post by David Gifford
Now Mario, be nice...:-)
My adaptations tended to be the same way...I would experiment with one
innovation, but then that would morph into a specific vision of an end
product TW, with all kinds of bells and whistles to aid a workflow I had in
my head.
I think what you are ultimately saying, Mario, and I would agree, is that
he should keep the simple, central innovation of the fast new tiddler
process in one location, teased out, so that it doesn't get overloaded or
crowded out by peripherals, and that he should work toward the specific
vision he has for its use and context, with peripherals, etc, in another
location.
Dave

Post by PMario
OUCH!!!!! --- Take a break!
Folks,
I think there's nothing left from the initial idea to have a fast and
easy way to take *one new note*.
Compare the FastNewTiddler UI with a standard NewTiddler UI.
You'll see, that it looks very, very similar. ... *but *the "standard
NewTiddler" works.
Now the FastNewTiddler has a toolbar?!? ... IMO there should be only one
button. "Done" which closes it.
I was intrigued by the idea, that there should be a fast "throw away
interface" to create a single new tiddler. If the tiddler is created, the
UI should go out of my way.
- If the tiddler is created it shows up in the "recent" sidebar. -> done.
- If I want to open this tiddler for refactoring I use the existing UI.
-> I click it in the sidebar, which opens a standard tiddler UI. -> done
- If I want to edit this new tiddler I click the existing edit button
from the existing standard UI -> done
Now the FastNewTiddler is/should be, what we call in German an "eierlegende
wollmilchsau <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eierlegende_Wollmilchsau>".
And now it should become the "Transclude first paragraph eierlegende
wollmilchsau
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/lN3GO7AIsoc>" ..
Sorry Mat I don't want to be harsh, but I think you get the gist. I still
think the original idea is great! ... IMO there is a reason, why you get
overwhelmed. ...
Please step back and have a look at the big picture. The "eierlegende
wollmilchsau" is an illusion!
What really works is "separation of concerns" - "Do one thing well and
combine them later" (That's how most things in TW work;)
Quoting from wikipedia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns>
The value of separation of concerns is simplifying development and

maintenance of computer programs. When concerns are well-separated,
individual sections can be reused, as well as developed and updated
independently. Of special value is the ability to later improve or modify
one section of code without having to know the details of other sections,
and without having to make corresponding changes to those sections.

Sorry I'm not really sure what
http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#Todo%20%28please%20help%29 should
do. But imo everything it proposes is already working at tiddlywiky.com
out of the box. Just the UI is different and imo more confusing.
just my 2 cents.
have fun!
mario
PS: Damn it. I don't want to sound like a schoolmaster :/ Sorry folks!
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[Mat]

Just a note; I just found this thread
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/tiddlywiki/silently/tiddlywiki/-_Bsj8WO58Q/b6V9QqVnIQ0J>
where fellow member:

Alberto Molina

points out the key concept upon which this all rests. Cred to him! It is
*very* likely that I read his post and eventually started experimenting
with it which led to the rest. Thank you Alberto! I added your name to the
Cred at fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.

<:-)

[Mat]

Hehe! I really appreciate your sobering opinion Mario. I am, more than
anything, worried that nobody will care because my non-ability to code
makes my idea depend on a lot of help.


...the initial idea to have a fast and easy way to take *one new note*.

... there should be only one button. "Done" which closes it.
...a fast "throw away interface" to create a single new tiddler. If the
tiddler is created, the UI should go out of my way.

This is very interesting to read - since this is not what I had in mind as
the *application* for this! I do like your take on it and your description
is obviously much closer to the basic "stealth" idea I described at first.
What you describe could be made into something that replaces the New
Tiddler button - and I hope it is implemented.

However, the application I'm working on has another goal. You make me
realize that maybe I should rename it? FNT is a good name for what you
describe. What I'm working on takes a more contextual starting point in
actual note-taking, as for e.g fact-filled university lectures. Here, the
basic concept is not optimal in itself and some peripheral features are of
value.

I guess the best solution is simply to make both. If you help me, I'd be
more than happy to transfer what is currenty on fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot
into another tiddlyspot and have the term fastnewtiddler refer to what you
mean. But, again, I'd very likely need help even if it is "almost done".
There are also a few aspects that still could be reconsidered - for
instance if the panel really should show up there and like that. It takes
up a lot of real estate. And I'm still not sure about the tagpills. etc.

Thoughts?

BTW, I think the English word is "featuritis" - but eierlegende wollmilchsau
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Feierlegende_Wollmilchsau&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEz57Edi0-nK8z8pF0KbOQvsI3U6A>
is superior! I mean... who wouldn't want such an animal - l'll make one
right away!!! ;-)


<:-)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Maybe I'm just catching it on a bad day, but when I type a title into the
title box and fill in the other fields, nothing appears over in the
"recent" tab.Also, there is no little hand icon for changing the title.

If it it did work, I would wonder how it knows when you're finished
writing a title. Maybe when you leave the field?

Thanks!
Mark

Note: Since this post was written, some development has taken place. The
concept is currently referred to as FastNewTiddler and the most recent
http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/
- and -
http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FastNewTiddler/
I also found this thread
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/tiddlywiki/silently/tiddlywiki/-_Bsj8WO58Q/b6V9QqVnIQ0J>
where fellow Alberto Molina brings up the basic key idea that this rests on.

[Mat]

Post by 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Maybe I'm just catching it on a bad day, but when I type a title into the
title box and fill in the other fields, nothing appears over in the
"recent" tab.Also, there is no little hand icon for changing the title.

I'm afraid this happened a few days ago to me too so I carefully removed
and reloaded each tiddler, on fastnewdev.tiddlyspot.com, and got it to
function properly... but it seems to have "reverted". I have no idea why

Post by 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
If it it did work, I would wonder how it knows when you're finished
writing a title. Maybe when you leave the field?

Currently, you must manually click the Retitle button again to deactivate
it. But you idea is very good and is a point
<http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F.Retitle%20button%3A%20Deactivate%20if%20title%20field%20looses%20focus>
in the ToDo list
<http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#Todo%20(please%20help)>. My
reasoning is that it should not be when you not just leave the field but
when you go to, specifically, either of the tag fields or the text field
because you should be allowed to retitle and e.g scroll down the sidebar to
take a look at some other title, only to continue to retitle.

Do you by any chance have any idea for how to do achieve this? How is focus
set to various things? (Setting focus is also also relevant for the
intended "tab-key jump cycle
<http://fastnewtiddler.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F.Navigation%3A%20Tab-key%20jump%20between%20fields>"
for fastnewtiddler. I created a related github issue
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1709> for this.)


<:-)

[Jed Carty]

The error with the edit title and recent tab come from the same thing. The
locked field of $:/state/FastNewTiddler was set. This meant that changing
the title field changed the temporary title state, not the state of any
actual tiddler, and putting text into the text editor was trying to edit a
tiddler with no title. To fix this problem we may have to put some action
widgets that clear the locked field in a few places. I think that one in
the page toolbar that opens the fast new tiddler interface may be enough,
but putting one on the close button of the fast new tiddler popup may be a
good idea also.

One other bug that should be added to the todo list is if you have the
tiddler you are editing visible and you change the name than the visible
tiddler gets deleted but the new one doesn't get opened.

To prevent the delete button from deleting the FNT tiddler when no title is
entered replace the delete button with this:

<$reveal type='nomatch' state={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}} text=''>
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" message='tm-delete-tiddler'
param={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}}>
{{$:/core/images/delete-button}}
</$button>
</$reveal>
<$reveal type='match' state={{$:/temp/FastNewTiddler!!newtitle}} text=''>
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
{{$:/core/images/delete-button}}
</$button>
</$reveal>

that will make the delete button do nothing unless there is actually
something to delete.