Best way to learn web2py

You can reference this : http://killer-web-development.com/section/1/0

There is many post on the google group about ressource to get a grip on
web2py

We could also, make a up to date list of existing book here :

...

:)

Richard

Post by Andreas Wienes
Hey guys,
I think it would be great to start a website similar to
http://astonj.com/tech/best-way-to-learn-ruby-rails/ but only for web2py.
So what do you think about my idea and what is your opinion about the
"best way" to learn web2py?
I'm excited for your suggestions.
- Andreas
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Derek

2013-10-23 21:56:54 UTC

You can certainly try something on your own, the best thing to do is read
the book. When people ask questions here, I usually refer them to the book,
aka the documentation itself. It's well documented.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
You can reference this : http://killer-web-development.com/section/1/0
There is many post on the google group about ressource to get a grip on
web2py
...
:)
Richard

Richard Vézina

2013-10-24 16:27:12 UTC

I think he want to create a similar Web site than the one for Ruby he
posted.

Richard

Post by Derek
You can certainly try something on your own, the best thing to do is read
the book. When people ask questions here, I usually refer them to the book,
aka the documentation itself. It's well documented.

You can reference this : http://killer-web-**development.com/section/1/0<http://killer-web-development.com/section/1/0>
There is many post on the google group about ressource to get a grip on
web2py
...
:)
Richard

Post by Andreas Wienes
Hey guys,
I think it would be great to start a website similar to
http://astonj.com/tech/best-**way-to-learn-ruby-rails/<http://astonj.com/tech/best-way-to-learn-ruby-rails/>but only for web2py.
So what do you think about my idea and what is your opinion about the
"best way" to learn web2py?
I'm excited for your suggestions.
- Andreas
--
- http://web2py.com
- http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
- http://github.com/web2py/**web2py <http://github.com/web2py/web2py>(Source code)
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Derek

2013-10-24 17:53:54 UTC

Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.

I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the way
to go.

To quote PEP20:
"There should be one and preferably only one obvious way to do it."

The simple fact is that if you learn Web2Py some other way, and come here
to ask questions on how to do something, most answers you'll get will refer
to the official documentation. Might as well read it. It's simple short and
to the point.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
I think he want to create a similar Web site than the one for Ruby he
posted.
Richard

Dave S

2013-10-24 19:32:05 UTC

Post by Derek
Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.
I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the way
to go.

Well, it helps that the Web2Py book is quite thorough and well written.
Other products should be jealous. But this group wouldn't be very busy if
nothing else was needed.
The Totally Official Web2Py website has the Documentation and Resources page
<http://www.web2py.com/init/default/documentation>

which has a Learning and Demos section, which I should check out more.

Another resource would be the Web2PySlices site, which is also listed on
the above page; I've skimmed through some of the examples there and on the
utils and plug-ins links.

Finally, several of the key contributores have their own book:
<http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book?utm_source=web2py.com&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pod&utm_campaign=mdb_009617#sample>

I haven't had a chance to check that one out, but it looks itneresting and
the authors have made plenty of good contributions to the user group here.

So (other than the distracting background image), what's missing from
Massimo's page compared to the "Learning Ruby" page the OP cites would be a
short summary or review of each of the resources.

/dps

Post by Derek
"There should be one and preferably only one obvious way to do it."
The simple fact is that if you learn Web2Py some other way, and come here
to ask questions on how to do something, most answers you'll get will refer
to the official documentation. Might as well read it. It's simple short and
to the point.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
I think he want to create a similar Web site than the one for Ruby he
posted.
Richard

Post by Derek
You can certainly try something on your own, the best thing to do is
read the book. When people ask questions here, I usually refer them to the
book, aka the documentation itself. It's well documented.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
You can reference this : http://killer-web-development.com/section/1/0
There is many post on the google group about ressource to get a grip on
web2py
...
:)
Richard

Post by Andreas Wienes
Hey guys,
I think it would be great to start a website similar to
http://astonj.com/tech/best-way-to-learn-ruby-rails/ but only for web2py.
So what do you think about my idea and what is your opinion about the
"best way" to learn web2py?
I'm excited for your suggestions.
- Andreas
--
- http://web2py.com
- http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
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Derek

2013-10-25 20:51:09 UTC

I don't think anything is "missing". People just want to get their toes wet
when creating websites, and prefer instant gratification to reading the
documentation. Nothing wrong with that, and adding more documentation
really isn't going to solve the problem. My advice to anyone who wants to
learn web2py is to read the official documentation cover to cover. That's
it. It's not a difficult read, and it's not very long.

Post by Derek
Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.
I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the way
to go.

Well, it helps that the Web2Py book is quite thorough and well written.
Other products should be jealous. But this group wouldn't be very busy if
nothing else was needed.
The Totally Official Web2Py website has the Documentation and Resources page
<http://www.web2py.com/init/default/documentation>
which has a Learning and Demos section, which I should check out more.
Another resource would be the Web2PySlices site, which is also listed on
the above page; I've skimmed through some of the examples there and on the
utils and plug-ins links.
<
http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book?utm_source=web2py.com&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pod&utm_campaign=mdb_009617#sample
I haven't had a chance to check that one out, but it looks itneresting and
the authors have made plenty of good contributions to the user group here.
So (other than the distracting background image), what's missing from
Massimo's page compared to the "Learning Ruby" page the OP cites would be a
short summary or review of each of the resources.
/dps

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
I think he want to create a similar Web site than the one for Ruby he
posted.
Richard

Post by Derek
You can certainly try something on your own, the best thing to do is
read the book. When people ask questions here, I usually refer them to the
book, aka the documentation itself. It's well documented.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
You can reference this : http://killer-web-development.com/section/1/0
There is many post on the google group about ressource to get a grip
on web2py
...
:)
Richard

Post by Andreas Wienes
Hey guys,
I think it would be great to start a website similar to
http://astonj.com/tech/best-way-to-learn-ruby-rails/ but only for web2py.
So what do you think about my idea and what is your opinion about the
"best way" to learn web2py?
I'm excited for your suggestions.
- Andreas
--
- http://web2py.com
- http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
- http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code)
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2013-10-25 21:16:24 UTC

Post by Derek
I don't think anything is "missing". People just want to get their toes
wet when creating websites, and prefer instant gratification to reading the
documentation. Nothing wrong with that, and adding more documentation
really isn't going to solve the problem. My advice to anyone who wants to
learn web2py is to read the official documentation cover to cover. That's
it. It's not a difficult read, and it's not very long.

As someone who recently started with Web2Py, but with some background in
Python, websites (html and php), and simple use of DBs, I disagree. I read
the online book. I worked through the examples in the overview. And I
still have questions. The book is excellent. It is not enough by itself.

/dps

Post by Derek
Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.
I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the
way to go.

Well, it helps that the Web2Py book is quite thorough and well written.
Other products should be jealous. But this group wouldn't be very busy if
nothing else was needed.
The Totally Official Web2Py website has the Documentation and Resources page
<http://www.web2py.com/init/default/documentation>
which has a Learning and Demos section, which I should check out more.
Another resource would be the Web2PySlices site, which is also listed on
the above page; I've skimmed through some of the examples there and on the
utils and plug-ins links.
<
http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book?utm_source=web2py.com&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pod&utm_campaign=mdb_009617#sample
I haven't had a chance to check that one out, but it looks itneresting
and the authors have made plenty of good contributions to the user group
here.
So (other than the distracting background image), what's missing from
Massimo's page compared to the "Learning Ruby" page the OP cites would be a
short summary or review of each of the resources.
/dps

Post by Derek
"There should be one and preferably only one obvious way to do it."
The simple fact is that if you learn Web2Py some other way, and come
here to ask questions on how to do something, most answers you'll get will
refer to the official documentation. Might as well read it. It's simple
short and to the point.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
I think he want to create a similar Web site than the one for Ruby he
posted.
Richard

Post by Derek
You can certainly try something on your own, the best thing to do is
read the book. When people ask questions here, I usually refer them to the
book, aka the documentation itself. It's well documented.

Post by Richard VÃ©zina
http://killer-web-development.com/section/1/0
There is many post on the google group about ressource to get a grip
on web2py
...
:)
Richard

Post by Andreas Wienes
Hey guys,
I think it would be great to start a website similar to
http://astonj.com/tech/best-way-to-learn-ruby-rails/ but only for web2py.
So what do you think about my idea and what is your opinion about
the "best way" to learn web2py?
I'm excited for your suggestions.
- Andreas
--
- http://web2py.com
- http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
- http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code)
- https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues)
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Dave S

2013-10-25 21:19:56 UTC

And reading 2 months of back issues of this group, and following along for
2 more months is not exactly pursuing instant gratification.

/dps

Post by Derek
Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.
I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the
way to go.

Well, it helps that the Web2Py book is quite thorough and well written.
Other products should be jealous. But this group wouldn't be very busy if
nothing else was needed.
The Totally Official Web2Py website has the Documentation and Resources page
<http://www.web2py.com/init/default/documentation>
which has a Learning and Demos section, which I should check out more.
Another resource would be the Web2PySlices site, which is also listed on
the above page; I've skimmed through some of the examples there and on the
utils and plug-ins links.
<
http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book?utm_source=web2py.com&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pod&utm_campaign=mdb_009617#sample
I haven't had a chance to check that one out, but it looks itneresting
and the authors have made plenty of good contributions to the user group
here.
So (other than the distracting background image), what's missing from
Massimo's page compared to the "Learning Ruby" page the OP cites would be a
short summary or review of each of the resources.
/dps

Post by Derek
"There should be one and preferably only one obvious way to do it."
The simple fact is that if you learn Web2Py some other way, and come
here to ask questions on how to do something, most answers you'll get will
refer to the official documentation. Might as well read it. It's simple
short and to the point.

Massimo Di Pierro

2013-10-26 04:40:10 UTC

It would help to know exactly what we can do better. Where do you need we
need more explanations?

And reading 2 months of back issues of this group, and following along for
2 more months is not exactly pursuing instant gratification.
/dps

Post by Derek
Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.
I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the
way to go.

Well, it helps that the Web2Py book is quite thorough and well written.
Other products should be jealous. But this group wouldn't be very busy if
nothing else was needed.
The Totally Official Web2Py website has the Documentation and Resources page
<http://www.web2py.com/init/default/documentation>
which has a Learning and Demos section, which I should check out more.
Another resource would be the Web2PySlices site, which is also listed
on the above page; I've skimmed through some of the examples there and on
the utils and plug-ins links.
<
http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book?utm_source=web2py.com&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pod&utm_campaign=mdb_009617#sample
I haven't had a chance to check that one out, but it looks itneresting
and the authors have made plenty of good contributions to the user group
here.
So (other than the distracting background image), what's missing from
Massimo's page compared to the "Learning Ruby" page the OP cites would be a
short summary or review of each of the resources.
/dps

Post by Derek
"There should be one and preferably only one obvious way to do it."
The simple fact is that if you learn Web2Py some other way, and come
here to ask questions on how to do something, most answers you'll get will
refer to the official documentation. Might as well read it. It's simple
short and to the point.

Dave S

2013-10-28 23:47:25 UTC

Post by Massimo Di Pierro
It would help to know exactly what we can do better. Where do you need we
need more explanations?

You'll have to wait for a specific example; they've all drained out of my
head for the moment. Probably in the area of services and auth, because I
haven't started working with json yet.

Sometimes, for readers like me, the extra explanation needed is just the
same stuff in different words. Which this group has been great at
providing.

Sometimes, what's needed is a different example, so that a slightly
different approach can show the tools [in Web2Py] from another angle.

That's where having a wider list of resources (such as other web sites that
provide basic training for Web2Py.

And doesn't it sound better to be telling curious visitors, "There's a
whole raft of material on how to use Web2Py!", compared to "Well, there's 2
books by the core team. Good stuff, but just 2 books. Oh, and a support
group."

I'm looking forward to spending more time with the Web2PySlices examples,
especially since some new ones have been added in response to questions
that have appeared here. I have an idea for contributing one of my own.
But impressing the visitors with how much there is to support their choice
of Web2Py isn't a bad thing, either.

/dps

Post by Massimo Di Pierro

And reading 2 months of back issues of this group, and following along
for 2 more months is not exactly pursuing instant gratification.
/dps

Post by Derek
Well, I don't particularly like that website. It's cluttered, disjointed.
I think pointing people to the Web2Py Book (aka Documentation) is the
way to go.

Well, it helps that the Web2Py book is quite thorough and well
written. Other products should be jealous. But this group wouldn't be
very busy if nothing else was needed.
The Totally Official Web2Py website has the Documentation and Resources page
<http://www.web2py.com/init/default/documentation>
which has a Learning and Demos section, which I should check out more.
Another resource would be the Web2PySlices site, which is also listed
on the above page; I've skimmed through some of the examples there and on
the utils and plug-ins links.
<
http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book?utm_source=web2py.com&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pod&utm_campaign=mdb_009617#sample
I haven't had a chance to check that one out, but it looks itneresting
and the authors have made plenty of good contributions to the user group
here.
So (other than the distracting background image), what's missing from
Massimo's page compared to the "Learning Ruby" page the OP cites would be a
short summary or review of each of the resources.
/dps

Post by Derek
"There should be one and preferably only one obvious way to do it."
The simple fact is that if you learn Web2Py some other way, and come
here to ask questions on how to do something, most answers you'll get will
refer to the official documentation. Might as well read it. It's simple
short and to the point.

Andreas Wienes

2013-10-26 15:16:56 UTC

Thanks for all of your feedback. I've also started using web2py about two
months ago and felt in love with it. It's so clear, simple to use, very
well documented and the community is awesome. I'm grateful for the
development and the quick and friendly support. But although all of this
exists, there is still something missing in the web2py-universe. From my
point of view, it's still too unpopular and doesn't seems so cool and
"fancy"as it should. As a result of this, web2py isn't well know and there
are still to less job offers for web2py developers. Most offers are for
Rails or Django developers. I'm living in Germany and this is just my point
of view. Hopefully the job market and spreading of web2py is better in your
country.

I think, if we wanna try to become web2py more popular and to increase the
job opportunities, we need to make it more
attractive. http://killer-web-development.com/ is a good approach doing
this. The rails-world is full of pages like this. Most of you know
Railscast and stuff like Rails for zombies. I tried Rails, because it's
popularity and shiny community. But at the end I was frustrated about all
the magic, different ways of solving problems and hidden complexity.
Exploring web2py gave me new hope and web development was funny again.
Let's add some shine and coolness to it and it could be nearly perfect.

A page like "the best way to learn web2py" could help to reach more people
and let our community grow.

I collected some material and made a first draft using
Evernote. https://www.evernote.com/shard/s137/sh/9248dc08-d669-4b03-beb5-e3dcddc7e66b/f65523796758735f6d58dd8c31246ad5
My next steps would be to collect something more, write some short
descriptions and start a simple wordpress based website. Every kind of help
and productive criticism is welcome.

- Andreas
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Derek

2013-10-28 17:37:26 UTC

Most of you know Railscast and stuff like Rails for zombies.

No, I don't care for Ruby, so I never paid it any attention. I have no clue
where someone would go to learn it. Web2Py is good, I heard Django is good
also, but I'm not a sheep that's just going to follow the herd to where
it's going, hoping to find something wonderful. If you want to make it more
popular, make a webcast or tutorials or something with Web2Py and spread it
around. The issue I think is that Web2Py does not work with Python 3.x,
whereas Django does. Perhaps we should look into
http://pythonhosted.org/six/ six instead of rewriting the whole Web2Py.

Thanks for all of your feedback. I've also started using web2py about two
months ago and felt in love with it. It's so clear, simple to use, very
well documented and the community is just awesome. I'm grateful for the
development and the quick and friendly support. But although all of this
exists, there is still something missing in the web2py-universe. From my
point of view, it's still too unpopular and doesn't seem so cool and
"fancy"as it should. As a result of this, web2py isn't well known and there
are still to less job offers for web2py developers. Most offers are for
Rails or Django people. I'm living in Germany and this is just my point of
view. Hopefully the job market and spreading of web2py is better in your
country.
I think, if we wanna try to become web2py more popular and to increase the
job opportunities, we need to make it more attractive.
http://killer-web-development.com/ is a good approach doing this. The
rails-world is full of pages like this. Most of you know Railscast and
stuff like Rails for zombies. I tried Rails, because it's popularity and
shiny community. But at the end I was frustrated about all the magic,
different ways of solving problems and hidden complexity. Exploring web2py
gave me new hope and web development was funny again. Let's add some shine
and coolness to it and it could be nearly perfect.
A page like "the best way to learn web2py" could help to reach more people
and let our community grow.
I collected some material and made a first draft using Evernote.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s137/sh/9248dc08-d669-4b03-beb5-e3dcddc7e66b/f65523796758735f6d58dd8c31246ad5
My next steps would be to collect something more, write some short
descriptions and start a simple wordpress based website. Every kind of help
and productive criticism is welcome.
- Andreas

Andreas Wienes

2013-10-28 21:11:05 UTC

I published http://learn-web2py.com a few minutes ago. It's far away from
being perfect, but it's an first attempt. I'm neither an expert in web2py
nor a native speaker. All of your feedback is welcome!

- Andreas
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2013-10-31 01:29:55 UTC