A Point of Honor is online, sort of

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .

Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?

Thanks.

_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

[Default User]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?

I don't have a Kindle, but I tried it with the Kindle app for Windows.
Looked fine that way.


Brian

[James Nicoll]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.

OK to share this?

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by James Nicoll

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.

OK to share this?

Certainly. I believe there's a caveat at the top of the page
that the e-books are free to download but not to post on one's
own website. But the more people who try out the Kindle version
and discover that it works, the better.

[David Johnston]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.

I checked briefly. Looked perfectly readable although I'm not sure
whether the fonts change where they should change.

[Bill Gill]

Post by David Johnston

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable.  Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.

I checked briefly. Looked perfectly readable although I'm not sure
whether the fonts change where they should change.

There aren't any significant font changes. Some Bold or Italic
or that sort of thing.

Bill

[g***@gmail.com]

Post by Bill Gill
There aren't any significant font changes. Some Bold or Italic
or that sort of thing.

The EPUB for :Point of Honor:
System ID: zip:file:/.../point.epub!/Chapter-01.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'element "td" not allowed here; expected the element end-tag, text or element "a", "abbr", "acronym", "address", "applet", "b", "bdo", "big", "blockquote", "br", "cite", "code", "del", "dfn", "div", "dl", "em", "h1", "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "hr", "i", "iframe", "img", "ins", "kbd", "map", "noscript", "ns:svg", "object", "ol", "p", "pre", "q", "samp", "script", "small", "span", "strong", "sub", "sup", "table", "tt", "ul" or "var" (with xmlns:ns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg")'.
Start location: 94:25

System ID: zip:file:/.../point.epub!/Chapter-07.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: fatal
Description: Fatal Error while parsing file 'The element type "span" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</span>".'.
Start location: 33:627

System ID: zip:file:/.../point.epub!/Chapter-07.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'The element type "span" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</span>".'.

The EPUB for :Witch of Syracuse:
System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/Acknowledgements.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: fatal
Description: Fatal Error while parsing file 'Element type "p" must be followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".'.
Start location: 12:15

System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/Acknowledgements.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'Element type "p" must be followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".'.

System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/toc.ncx
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'assertion failed: different playOrder values for navPoint/navTarget/pageTarget that refer to same target'.
Start location: 20:40

System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/toc.ncx
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'assertion failed: different playOrder values for navPoint/navTarget/pageTarget that refer to same target'.
Start location: 26:40

:The Interior Life: EPUB validates without error or warning.

Generally speaking, if I've got a valid EPUB I'll stuff it through Amazon's kindlegen to get the mobi file. I suspect that it's risky to do that unless the EPUB is completely valid, but if it is, the process appears bulletproof.

-- Graydon (Who is delighted to get more of Dorothy's books!)

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by g***@gmail.com

Post by Bill Gill
There aren't any significant font changes. Some Bold or Italic
or that sort of thing.

System ID: zip:file:/.../point.epub!/Chapter-01.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'element "td" not allowed here;
expected the element end-tag, text or element "a", "abbr", "acronym",
"address", "applet", "b", "bdo", "big", "blockquote", "br", "cite",
"code", "del", "dfn", "div", "dl", "em", "h1", "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5",
"h6", "hr", "i", "iframe", "img", "ins", "kbd", "map", "noscript",
"ns:svg", "object", "ol", "p", "pre", "q", "samp", "script", "small",
"span", "strong", "sub", "sup", "table", "tt", "ul" or "var" (with
xmlns:ns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg")'.
Start location: 94:25
System ID: zip:file:/.../point.epub!/Chapter-07.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: fatal
Description: Fatal Error while parsing file 'The element type "span"
must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</span>".'.
Start location: 33:627
System ID: zip:file:/.../point.epub!/Chapter-07.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'The element type "span" must be
terminated by the matching end-tag "</span>".'.
System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/Acknowledgements.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: fatal
Description: Fatal Error while parsing file 'Element type "p" must be
followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".'.
Start location: 12:15
System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/Acknowledgements.xhtml
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'Element type "p" must be followed
by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".'.
System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/toc.ncx
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'assertion failed: different
playOrder values for navPoint/navTarget/pageTarget that refer to same
target'.
Start location: 20:40
System ID: zip:file:/.../witch.epub!/toc.ncx
Engine name: EpubCheck4.0.2
Severity: error
Description: Error while parsing file 'assertion failed: different
playOrder values for navPoint/navTarget/pageTarget that refer to same
target'.
Start location: 26:40

Oh, dear.

As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

Post by g***@gmail.com
:The Interior Life: EPUB validates without error or warning.

Yes, Bill worked like crazy to get that to work.

Post by g***@gmail.com
Generally speaking, if I've got a valid EPUB I'll stuff it through
Amazon's kindlegen to get the mobi file. I suspect that it's risky to
do that unless the EPUB is completely valid, but if it is, the process
appears bulletproof.
-- Graydon (Who is delighted to get more of Dorothy's books)

You now have all three of them, unless I should write something
else (increasingly difficult as I age) or I put up my Asheron's
Call 2 fanfic, _Coda_.

Digression, you may hit 'n' now ...

AC2 suffered from various problems that I won't go into here.
Finally it was announced that the game would close eighteen weeks
from the time of announcement, leaving all kinds of plot elements
dangling. So I wrote an 85K word fanfic, in seventeen chapters,
and put it on a fansite to give those of us who cared about the
plot some kind of closure. If I put it up I would have to
include a *lot* of footnotes for those who never played AC2.

[Carl Fink]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

[James Nicoll]

A comment from my dreamwidth:

"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

Thanks; I'll look it up. I'm at FogCon at the moment, trying to
read the net with Hal's Raspberry Pi; I managed to find your
Dreamwidth page, but I don't see any mention of _Point._ Debbie
Notkin said you had reviewed it, but I don't see it; the top
entries are a black-and-white cat and something called _Blood of
the Mantis._

Once I get home (Sunday night), I can fix the file.

[James Nicoll]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

Thanks; I'll look it up. I'm at FogCon at the moment, trying to
read the net with Hal's Raspberry Pi; I managed to find your
Dreamwidth page, but I don't see any mention of _Point._

https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/12089579.html

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Debbie
Notkin said you had reviewed it, but I don't see it; the top
entries are a black-and-white cat and something called _Blood of
the Mantis._

I mentioned it but as far as I know the only book of yours I reviewed
was The Interior Life.

https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/all-it-is-is-just-my-life

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by James Nicoll

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

Thanks; I'll look it up. I'm at FogCon at the moment, trying to
read the net with Hal's Raspberry Pi; I managed to find your
Dreamwidth page, but I don't see any mention of _Point._

https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/12089579.html

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Debbie
Notkin said you had reviewed it, but I don't see it; the top
entries are a black-and-white cat and something called _Blood of
the Mantis._

I mentioned it but as far as I know the only book of yours I reviewed
was The Interior Life.

Yes, that's what I thought too. But where did you mention it?
You must have said something somewhere, because you got that
comment. And I managed to find your Dreamwidth page, but nothing
on it.

Let me try your link.

...

Okay, that worked, though for some reason highlighting a URL to
copy it does not work on this machine (Hal's Pi, or rather one of
them) so I had to type it in by hand. I've thanked the guy for
the comment and ... when I get back to my real computer ... I'll
figure out what's missing and put it in.

[Bill Gill]

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."

At a quick look I don't see anything missing. Is it supposed to be
right at the end?

Bill

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."

At a quick look I don't see anything missing. Is it supposed to be
right at the end?

That's what the commenter said. He didn't specify how *much* was
missing.

Here in the hotel (connecting through Hal's Pi) I can't
*see* the online text. Chapter 7 should end with this text:

---------
"Okay," she said. "What for 'uh-oh'?"
"Well," he said. "It's just that as of the moment he stepped
through the door, 'Condition RT' is now true."
---------

I'll be getting home Sunday night, and on Monday I'll look at the
text files and see how much is missing (if in fact the commenter
isn't mistaken. :) )

[Bill Gill]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Bill Gill

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."

At a quick look I don't see anything missing. Is it supposed to be
right at the end?

That's what the commenter said. He didn't specify how *much* was
missing.
Here in the hotel (connecting through Hal's Pi) I can't
---------
"Okay," she said. "What for 'uh-oh'?"
"Well," he said. "It's just that as of the moment he stepped
through the door, 'Condition RT' is now true."
---------
I'll be getting home Sunday night, and on Monday I'll look at the
text files and see how much is missing (if in fact the commenter
isn't mistaken. :) )

I checked, and my copy looks good.

Bill

[Torbjorn Lindgren]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by James Nicoll
"There's a chunk missing at the end of chapter 7 which would confuse
anyone who hasn't read the hardcopy. Someone who knows Dorothy better than
I do might want to let her know."

[...]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I'll be getting home Sunday night, and on Monday I'll look at the
text files and see how much is missing (if in fact the commenter
isn't mistaken. :) )

Chapter 7 does end with that text.

So far I've noticed a scan/conversion error in chapter 1 ("redeem he
credits", should be "the") and that the tables in that chapter doesn't
line up which makes them very hard to read (because they're not
actually done as tables).

I'm usually very bad at noticing minor issues so I suspect I wouldn't
have notice that scan error if it hadn't been in the paragraph
directly after the first table.

To be honest the table issue isn't that critical either since we get
the information we actually need from the text but it looks really
wonky and I guess it threw me off "the flow".

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Carl Fink

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

You're assuming that I would earn a few bucks by doing so. I
doubt it. There's an option on my website for people to donate
if they feel like it (via Sean's PayPal), but I no longer have
the chutzpah to think I could expect people to pay for my stuff.

And I don't trust Amazon; they take the attitude that anything they
put out, they own. And they keep most of the money. I buy hard-copy
books from them (when I have the funds), but I don't want to put
them in charge of my work.

[Steve Coltrin]

begin fnord

Post by Carl Fink

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

"Tell me, have you ever known what it is to be an orphan?"

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Steve Coltrin
begin fnord

Post by Carl Fink

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

"Tell me, have you ever known what it is to be an orphan?"

I don't recognize the quotation. What's the context?

[Bill Gill]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Steve Coltrin
begin fnord

Post by Carl Fink

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

"Tell me, have you ever known what it is to be an orphan?"

I don't recognize the quotation. What's the context?

Gilbert and Sullivan. "The Pirates of Penzance".

Bill

[Steve Coltrin]

begin fnord

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Steve Coltrin
begin fnord

Post by Carl Fink

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

"Tell me, have you ever known what it is to be an orphan?"

I don't recognize the quotation. What's the context?

"The Pirates of Penzance". Short explanation of the joke: the next line
is "Oh, dash it all! Here we are again!"

(ie this has come up over and over before.)

[Robert Carnegie]

Post by Steve Coltrin
begin fnord

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Steve Coltrin
begin fnord

Post by Carl Fink

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
As I said upthread, if someone can describe a (reasonably) simple
way of making the Kindle version work, I'll put it on the
webpage. I have no desire to own a Kindle, but a lot of people
already do.

May I ask why you would choose not to just publish the book via Amazon and
maybe earn a few bucks?

"Tell me, have you ever known what it is to be an orphan?"

I don't recognize the quotation. What's the context?

"The Pirates of Penzance". Short explanation of the joke: the next line
is "Oh, dash it all! Here we are again!"
(ie this has come up over and over before.)

Hmm. I was trying to work out how Dorothy keeping an unlikely
number of daughters - or out of print novels - close to her bosom,
and well away from anyone else's, would be the comfort in old age
that you hope for real children to be: which is why the
Major General pleads for mercy. And it seems that he's heard
about the pirates taking pity on orphans. Everyone has.
It's very inconvenient for pirating to have that generally known.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by David Johnston

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.

I checked briefly. Looked perfectly readable although I'm not sure
whether the fonts change where they should change.

Okay, there are no font changes in _Point_.

[Titus G]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?

It all looks fine to me. I looked at the cover, title, opening page and
table of contents.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

[Bill Gill]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.

I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.

I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Bill

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Interesting. We may have to put in a line about "If your reader
is a Kindle, download this file and do the following with it."

[Default User]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.

I had similar experience. Things got even stranger when I went load the
book from Kindle Content into Calibre. It took a long time to load, and
when it did, it said it was the New Oxford American Dictionary.

The file in Kindle Content is huge, 47 MB. The book in Calibre says
it's 40 MB. Typical books are in the 1-3 MB range.

I'm going to delete everything and redo the download to see what
happens.


Brian

[Default User]

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.

I had similar experience. Things got even stranger when I went load
the book from Kindle Content into Calibre. It took a long time to
load, and when it did, it said it was the New Oxford American
Dictionary.
The file in Kindle Content is huge, 47 MB. The book in Calibre says
it's 40 MB. Typical books are in the 1-3 MB range.
I'm going to delete everything and redo the download to see what
happens.

The second time through, things went differently. The file opened in
Kindle when double-clicked.

Normally when I get a Kindle book, a new folder is created in Kindle
Content. When I tested things last night, I had a just-modified folder
named: B003ODIZL6_EBOK

I assumed that was the new book, so that's where I tried to find it to
load into Calibre. Looking online, that seems to be the dictionary
folder for Kindle.

When I opened the new download of this book, it didn't create a folder,
just the files point.azw3 and point.mbp in the Kindle Content folder.


Brian

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.

I had similar experience. Things got even stranger when I went load the
book from Kindle Content into Calibre. It took a long time to load, and
when it did, it said it was the New Oxford American Dictionary.
The file in Kindle Content is huge, 47 MB. The book in Calibre says
it's 40 MB. Typical books are in the 1-3 MB range.
I'm going to delete everything and redo the download to see what
happens.

Thank you for your effort. Let us know what happens.

[Default User]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User
I had similar experience. Things got even stranger when I went load
the book from Kindle Content into Calibre. It took a long time to
load, and when it did, it said it was the New Oxford American
Dictionary.
The file in Kindle Content is huge, 47 MB. The book in Calibre says
it's 40 MB. Typical books are in the 1-3 MB range.
I'm going to delete everything and redo the download to see what
happens.

Thank you for your effort. Let us know what happens.

See my follow-up message.


Brian

[Dimensional Traveler]

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it.  I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app.  So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App.  It didn't.  It asked what I
wanted to open it with.  But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App.  I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it.  I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it.  I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app.  So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App.  It didn't.  It asked what I
wanted to open it with.  But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App.  I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it.  I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.

Cheers - Jaimie

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it.  I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app.  So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App.  It didn't.  It asked what I
wanted to open it with.  But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App.  I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it.  I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon.

Word.

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
They have very little interest in making
the software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their
respective platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction
to make people go "ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real
kindle" after half a book.

Not that they make much off of the devices. But the more people who
buy the Kindles, the easier it is to get them locked into the
walled garden.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it.  I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app.  So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App.  It didn't.  It asked what I
wanted to open it with.  But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App.  I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it.  I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.

Oh, dear, that sounds depressingly likely.

I'm hoping that someone can come up with a simple-ish means of
making the Kindle version of _Point_ Kindle-friendly. If so, we
can put it on the website: "If you do have a Kindle, do this ...."

[Default User]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I'm hoping that someone can come up with a simple-ish means of
making the Kindle version of Point Kindle-friendly. If so, we
can put it on the website: "If you do have a Kindle, do this ...."

I'm not sure that there's any problem other than with the Kindle app
for Windows, and that's not even a big problem.

The only thing that didn't work for me was double-clicking the download
file. I was able to open it with the Kindle app by doing "Open With"
and giving it the full path to the app. Once I did that, the
association was set. For instance, if I go to download one of the other
Kindle books from your page it shows Kindle as the default open app. I
can double-click the AZW3 files from anywhere at the app will open.

For your web site, you can put a note about that if you want.

I suspect it would work fine using a Kindle device, although I don't
have one so I can't comment. I'm not sure what the process is for
getting a file from somewhere besides Amazon onto a Kindle.

I tried copying the file to the Kindle app for my iPad. That didn't
exactly work, but I have had a bunch of trouble with that. For some
reason, books will show as files in the Kindle app from iTunes, but
aren't listed in the app's library on the device.

I would worry about that if I weren't converting Kindle books to EPUB
and reading them with apps I like better anyway.


Brian

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I'm hoping that someone can come up with a simple-ish means of
making the Kindle version of Point Kindle-friendly. If so, we
can put it on the website: "If you do have a Kindle, do this ...."

I'm not sure that there's any problem other than with the Kindle app
for Windows, and that's not even a big problem.
The only thing that didn't work for me was double-clicking the download
file. I was able to open it with the Kindle app by doing "Open With"
and giving it the full path to the app. Once I did that, the
association was set. For instance, if I go to download one of the other
Kindle books from your page it shows Kindle as the default open app. I
can double-click the AZW3 files from anywhere at the app will open.
For your web site, you can put a note about that if you want.
I suspect it would work fine using a Kindle device, although I don't
have one so I can't comment. I'm not sure what the process is for
getting a file from somewhere besides Amazon onto a Kindle.
I tried copying the file to the Kindle app for my iPad. That didn't
exactly work, but I have had a bunch of trouble with that. For some
reason, books will show as files in the Kindle app from iTunes, but
aren't listed in the app's library on the device.
I would worry about that if I weren't converting Kindle books to EPUB
and reading them with apps I like better anyway.

So for Joe New Reader, who doesn't read USENET and hasn't seen this
thread, should I add "For obscure reasons, Kindle has trouble
reading this file. Instead of double-clicking the link,
single-click it, copy the URL at the top of the page, and use
"Open App" and paste the URL into that"? Would that work?

[Default User]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So for Joe New Reader, who doesn't read USENET and hasn't seen this
thread, should I add "For obscure reasons, Kindle has trouble
reading this file. Instead of double-clicking the link,
single-click it, copy the URL at the top of the page, and use
"Open App" and paste the URL into that"? Would that work?

I don't think so. What I did was save the download file to disk first.
That's my usual method rather than try to open from download. That way
if I have problems, then I know where the file is to work with it.
Anyway, trying to double-click the resulting file didn't work, and I
had to use "Open With" from Windows Explorer. I gave it the full path
to Kindle.exe and it opened. After that, there's been no problems
double-clicking.

I think, but can't be sure, that Kindle wasn't the default open option
shown in the Firefox download box. Of course what you see when you
download a file varies by browser.

Not sure if this is helping.


Brian

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So for Joe New Reader, who doesn't read USENET and hasn't seen this
thread, should I add "For obscure reasons, Kindle has trouble
reading this file. Instead of double-clicking the link,
single-click it, copy the URL at the top of the page, and use
"Open App" and paste the URL into that"? Would that work?

I don't think so. What I did was save the download file to disk first.
That's my usual method rather than try to open from download. That way
if I have problems, then I know where the file is to work with it.
Anyway, trying to double-click the resulting file didn't work, and I
had to use "Open With" from Windows Explorer. I gave it the full path
to Kindle.exe and it opened. After that, there's been no problems
double-clicking.
I think, but can't be sure, that Kindle wasn't the default open option
shown in the Firefox download box. Of course what you see when you
download a file varies by browser.
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

[Default User]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

I haven't tried it with a Kindle. Right now, until you get some other
info, I would assume that it's ok. I thought there were people here
with actual Kindles. If so, then one of them can test and report.


Brian

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 15:36:52 +0000 (UTC), "Default User"

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

I haven't tried it with a Kindle. Right now, until you get some other
info, I would assume that it's ok. I thought there were people here
with actual Kindles. If so, then one of them can test and report.

It works fine on physical Kindles. The user can connect it by USB and
drag'n'drop the book to the device, or email it to their Kindle via the
email address that Amazon provides (look in My Account, Content and
Devices, Devices tab).

Dorothy, the only issue with it is that if you double-click it in
Windows it doesn't open in the Kindle software. The user needs to drop
it into their Kindle content directory by hand. There is absolutely
nothing you can do about this, and it's not worth worrying about.

Anyone who's keen enough to download a file for their Kindle (hard or
soft) will be keen enough to be able to load it into their Kindle.

Cheers - Jaimie

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 15:36:52 +0000 (UTC), "Default User"

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

I haven't tried it with a Kindle. Right now, until you get some other
info, I would assume that it's ok. I thought there were people here
with actual Kindles. If so, then one of them can test and report.

It works fine on physical Kindles. The user can connect it by USB and
drag'n'drop the book to the device, or email it to their Kindle via the
email address that Amazon provides (look in My Account, Content and
Devices, Devices tab).
Dorothy, the only issue with it is that if you double-click it in
Windows it doesn't open in the Kindle software. The user needs to drop
it into their Kindle content directory by hand. There is absolutely
nothing you can do about this, and it's not worth worrying about.
Anyone who's keen enough to download a file for their Kindle (hard or
soft) will be keen enough to be able to load it into their Kindle.

O-o-o-kay, maybe I'll just let it be till further notice.
Thanks.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

I haven't tried it with a Kindle. Right now, until you get some other
info, I would assume that it's ok. I thought there were people here
with actual Kindles. If so, then one of them can test and report.

That's what I was hoping for, but I don't think I've heard from
any yet.

Heck, maybe all of us old USENET fogies disdain Kindles.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So for Joe New Reader, who doesn't read USENET and hasn't seen this
thread, should I add "For obscure reasons, Kindle has trouble
reading this file. Instead of double-clicking the link,
single-click it, copy the URL at the top of the page, and use
"Open App" and paste the URL into that"? Would that work?

I don't think so. What I did was save the download file to disk first.
That's my usual method rather than try to open from download. That way
if I have problems, then I know where the file is to work with it.
Anyway, trying to double-click the resulting file didn't work, and I
had to use "Open With" from Windows Explorer. I gave it the full path
to Kindle.exe and it opened. After that, there's been no problems
double-clicking.
I think, but can't be sure, that Kindle wasn't the default open option
shown in the Firefox download box. Of course what you see when you
download a file varies by browser.
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle devices
would be my suggestion.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So for Joe New Reader, who doesn't read USENET and hasn't seen this
thread, should I add "For obscure reasons, Kindle has trouble
reading this file. Instead of double-clicking the link,
single-click it, copy the URL at the top of the page, and use
"Open App" and paste the URL into that"? Would that work?

I don't think so. What I did was save the download file to disk first.
That's my usual method rather than try to open from download. That way
if I have problems, then I know where the file is to work with it.
Anyway, trying to double-click the resulting file didn't work, and I
had to use "Open With" from Windows Explorer. I gave it the full path
to Kindle.exe and it opened. After that, there's been no problems
double-clicking.
I think, but can't be sure, that Kindle wasn't the default open option
shown in the Firefox download box. Of course what you see when you
download a file varies by browser.
Not sure if this is helping.

I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle devices
would be my suggestion.

Okay, I'll do that ... Monday, maybe; we're about to depart for
FogCon and will be out of touch till then.

[Default User]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the
webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle
devices would be my suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. The problem with Kindle for Windows
didn't have to do with whether the file works. It does, once you get
the app to open it.

As far as Kindle on my iPad, I think that's part of a larger problem
that I have, but haven't figured out. I also haven't spent much time
investigating because I found a different way to deal with it. It's
probably not one Amazon would like, but screw 'em.


Brian

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

Post by Default User

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it
isn't possible and we should just remove the Kindle version
from the webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle
devices would be my suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. The problem with Kindle for
Windows didn't have to do with whether the file works. It does,
once you get the app to open it.

I'm wondering if you can drag the file onto the app and drop it in.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Default User]

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Default User

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it
isn't possible and we should just remove the Kindle version
from the webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle
devices would be my suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. The problem with Kindle for
Windows didn't have to do with whether the file works. It does,
once you get the app to open it.

I'm wondering if you can drag the file onto the app and drop it in.

That's a good question. I'm not sure if I tried that initially or not.
It works[1] now, but so does double-click.


1. Actually it opens the app and informs me the book is already in
Kindle Content. It worked for a copy of one of her other books though.


Brian

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Default User

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it
isn't possible and we should just remove the Kindle version
from the webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle
devices would be my suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. The problem with Kindle for
Windows didn't have to do with whether the file works. It does,
once you get the app to open it.

I'm wondering if you can drag the file onto the app and drop it in.

That's a good question. I'm not sure if I tried that initially or not.
It works[1] now, but so does double-click.

Well, cool; if that will work for somebody coming to the page
with his Kindle.

Post by Default User
1. Actually it opens the app and informs me the book is already in
Kindle Content. It worked for a copy of one of her other books though.

Hmmm.

Other Kindle users (if there are any on this group, :) please let
me know if you find any problems.

[Robert Carnegie]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Default User

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it
isn't possible and we should just remove the Kindle version
from the webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle
devices would be my suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. The problem with Kindle for
Windows didn't have to do with whether the file works. It does,
once you get the app to open it.

I'm wondering if you can drag the file onto the app and drop it in.

That's a good question. I'm not sure if I tried that initially or not.
It works[1] now, but so does double-click.

Well, cool; if that will work for somebody coming to the page
with his Kindle.

Post by Default User
1. Actually it opens the app and informs me the book is already in
Kindle Content. It worked for a copy of one of her other books though.

Hmmm.
Other Kindle users (if there are any on this group, :) please let
me know if you find any problems.

Given your personal relationship with complicated computer
stuff, you probably should worry personally about that sort
of issue just as much as you do about an asteroid hitting
your home: it's pretty much out of your hands to address it.

But, "a chunk missing"? Inconceivable! :-)

But for all that we know, it is there but over-printed with
following text due to paragraph separation space set to a
negative number, which I just made up but could be a real
thing as well, and visible to some readers and not to others.
Or offset three feet left from where the actual screen is,
or some other stupid thing.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Robert Carnegie

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Default User

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file
downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it
isn't possible and we should just remove the Kindle version
from the webpage?

Just a note that the Kindle version may not work on non-Kindle
devices would be my suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. The problem with Kindle for
Windows didn't have to do with whether the file works. It does,
once you get the app to open it.

I'm wondering if you can drag the file onto the app and drop it in.

That's a good question. I'm not sure if I tried that initially or not.
It works[1] now, but so does double-click.

Well, cool; if that will work for somebody coming to the page
with his Kindle.

Post by Default User
1. Actually it opens the app and informs me the book is already in
Kindle Content. It worked for a copy of one of her other books though.

Hmmm.
Other Kindle users (if there are any on this group, :) please let
me know if you find any problems.

Given your personal relationship with complicated computer
stuff, you probably should worry personally about that sort
of issue just as much as you do about an asteroid hitting
your home: it's pretty much out of your hands to address it.
But, "a chunk missing"? Inconceivable! :-)
But for all that we know, it is there but over-printed with
following text due to paragraph separation space set to a
negative number, which I just made up but could be a real
thing as well, and visible to some readers and not to others.
Or offset three feet left from where the actual screen is,
or some other stupid thing.

/chuckle

As I said, I can't look at the file at this point. I'll worry
about what-if-anything-to-do-about-it on Monday.

[Michael R N Dolbear]

"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote i

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file

downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the webpage?


I've tried various methods and they all work with one exception which isn't
supposed to work.

(a) navigate to http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html in the Kindle
browser or the Fire browser and click to download the AZW3 version to the
device.

(b) navigate to http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html with a Windows
browser and click to download the AZW3 version. Plug in the USB and copy to
the Kindle documents folder or the Fire kindle folder and eject the USB.

(c) navigate to http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html with a Windows
browser and click to download the ePub version. Rename the version
extension from ePub to .txt and email as an attachment to the magic send to
Kindle address (***@free.Kindle.com) for your Kindle, Fire or
Android. Amazon will recognise that it's really an ePub and convert it and
it will appear under the documents tab and in the Cloud.

(d) emailing the AZW3 version as an attachment to the magic send to Kindle
address doesn't work since AZW3 isn't an allowed type. Converting to MOBI
would be needed. Calibre can do this or
https://ebook.online-convert.com/convert-to-mobi

The layout looks fine on my Fire HDX, Fire 2, Kindle Touch EXCEPT the
acknowledgements at the beginning starting "My thanks to Hilary ..." which
appear in a narrow column one third of the screen width on the Fire 2,
Kindle Touch which have narrower screens while being fine on the Fire HDX
and on the Fire 2 in landscape.

HTH

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Michael R N Dolbear
"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote i

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I don't think so, no. I would like to make the Kindle file

downloadable to people's Kindles, if possible. Maybe it isn't
possible and we should just remove the Kindle version from the webpage?
I've tried various methods and they all work with one exception which isn't
supposed to work.
(a) navigate to http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html in the Kindle
browser or the Fire browser and click to download the AZW3 version to the
device.
(b) navigate to http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html with a Windows
browser and click to download the AZW3 version. Plug in the USB and copy to
the Kindle documents folder or the Fire kindle folder and eject the USB.
(c) navigate to http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html with a Windows
browser and click to download the ePub version. Rename the version
extension from ePub to .txt and email as an attachment to the magic send to
Android. Amazon will recognise that it's really an ePub and convert it and
it will appear under the documents tab and in the Cloud.
(d) emailing the AZW3 version as an attachment to the magic send to Kindle
address doesn't work since AZW3 isn't an allowed type. Converting to MOBI
would be needed. Calibre can do this or
https://ebook.online-convert.com/convert-to-mobi
The layout looks fine on my Fire HDX, Fire 2, Kindle Touch EXCEPT the
acknowledgements at the beginning starting "My thanks to Hilary ..." which
appear in a narrow column one third of the screen width on the Fire 2,
Kindle Touch which have narrower screens while being fine on the Fire HDX
and on the Fire 2 in landscape.

Well, as was pointed out elsethread, there's nothing I can do
about that.

Thanks for the data.

[Wolffan]

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.
Cheers - Jaimie

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks. Some ebooks from Amazon (and Apple) have DRM that’s
hard to kill. If I really must have that book, I put up with the DRM, but I
don’t like it. There is no fiction author whose books I like enough to put
up with DRM, so the only DRMed books I have are technical books. And when new
DRM-strippers come out, I try them out to see if they work with previously
resistant books. If they do, then that’s another book for Marvin.

I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

Post by Wolffan

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks.

Almost entirely the same here (and Marvin really is the best of ebook
readers on iOS devices), except I also have a physical Kindle. It's not
as often to hand as the phone though so Marvin on the iPhone 6 Plus is
still my primary reader.

I'm fine with sourcing from Amazon since I can DRM-strip it if needed
with Calibre/Apprentice Alf's scripts, and then convert it out to ePub.
Means I can have bought books very easily on Kindle hard or soft, and it
takes only a bit of effort to get them into Marvin.

I really should have another go at getting Marvin's "Calibre Connector"
working, they just don't see each other at all.

Post by Wolffan
I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

That's dedication! Good work, sir. It's a shame this sort of effort
can't be thrown back at the publishers with a "C'mon guys, just make it
available now", although with some very small presses... nah, they'd
probably want to avoid risk of litigation due to the old contract not
including ebook rights.

Cheers - Jaimie

[Bill Gill]

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh

Post by Wolffan

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks.

Almost entirely the same here (and Marvin really is the best of ebook
readers on iOS devices), except I also have a physical Kindle. It's not
as often to hand as the phone though so Marvin on the iPhone 6 Plus is
still my primary reader.
I'm fine with sourcing from Amazon since I can DRM-strip it if needed
with Calibre/Apprentice Alf's scripts, and then convert it out to ePub.
Means I can have bought books very easily on Kindle hard or soft, and it
takes only a bit of effort to get them into Marvin.
I really should have another go at getting Marvin's "Calibre Connector"
working, they just don't see each other at all.

Post by Wolffan
I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

That's dedication! Good work, sir. It's a shame this sort of effort
can't be thrown back at the publishers with a "C'mon guys, just make it
available now", although with some very small presses... nah, they'd
probably want to avoid risk of litigation due to the old contract not
including ebook rights.
Cheers - Jaimie

I understand that just finding who owns the rights to a lot of books
is more trouble than it would be worth. I personally have been scanning
quite a few books that I can't buy as ebooks. I do it for my own use
only, and will not distribute them. I certainly don't want to do any
author out of her/his income. Dorothy's books are the only ones that
are being distributed, and of course I worked with her on that.

Bill

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks.

Almost entirely the same here (and Marvin really is the best of ebook
readers on iOS devices), except I also have a physical Kindle. It's not
as often to hand as the phone though so Marvin on the iPhone 6 Plus is
still my primary reader.
I'm fine with sourcing from Amazon since I can DRM-strip it if needed
with Calibre/Apprentice Alf's scripts, and then convert it out to ePub.
Means I can have bought books very easily on Kindle hard or soft, and it
takes only a bit of effort to get them into Marvin.
I really should have another go at getting Marvin's "Calibre Connector"
working, they just don't see each other at all.

I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

That's dedication! Good work, sir. It's a shame this sort of effort
can't be thrown back at the publishers with a "C'mon guys, just make it
available now", although with some very small presses... nah, they'd
probably want to avoid risk of litigation due to the old contract not
including ebook rights.
Cheers - Jaimie

I understand that just finding who owns the rights to a lot of books
is more trouble than it would be worth. I personally have been scanning
quite a few books that I can't buy as ebooks. I do it for my own use
only, and will not distribute them. I certainly don't want to do any
author out of her/his income. Dorothy's books are the only ones that
are being distributed, and of course I worked with her on that.

And there were no problems about rights. :)

[Bill Gill]

Post by Wolffan

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.
Cheers - Jaimie

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks. Some ebooks from Amazon (and Apple) have DRM that’s
hard to kill. If I really must have that book, I put up with the DRM, but I
don’t like it. There is no fiction author whose books I like enough to put
up with DRM, so the only DRMed books I have are technical books. And when new
DRM-strippers come out, I try them out to see if they work with previously
resistant books. If they do, then that’s another book for Marvin.
I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

Bill

[James Nicoll]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.
Cheers - Jaimie

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks. Some ebooks from Amazon (and Apple) have DRM that’s
hard to kill. If I really must have that book, I put up with the DRM, but I
don’t like it. There is no fiction author whose books I like enough to put
up with DRM, so the only DRMed books I have are technical books. And when new
DRM-strippers come out, I try them out to see if they work with previously
resistant books. If they do, then that’s another book for Marvin.
I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I should introduce you to SP Somtow because his ebooks of the old Inquisitor
series are images of each page....

[Bill Gill]

Post by James Nicoll

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.
Cheers - Jaimie

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks. Some ebooks from Amazon (and Apple) have DRM that’s
hard to kill. If I really must have that book, I put up with the DRM, but I
don’t like it. There is no fiction author whose books I like enough to put
up with DRM, so the only DRMed books I have are technical books. And when new
DRM-strippers come out, I try them out to see if they work with previously
resistant books. If they do, then that’s another book for Marvin.
I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s _Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_, a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I should introduce you to SP Somtow because his ebooks of the old Inquisitor
series are images of each page....

If he has the images he is about 10% of the way there. After you
have the images you have to run them through some OCR software. Then
the work begins. I personally run through each book about 5 times,
4 times in a word processor and again in Calibre's epub editor. After
that I generally have corrected most of the errors. From start of the
scan to finished ebook takes a week and a half to 2 weeks, working
several hours a day.

Bill

[Wolffan]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by James Nicoll

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:30:19 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Dimensional Traveler

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

Because, Microsoft.

More because Amazon. They have very little interest in making the
software versions of Kindle into 'good citizens' on their respective
platforms, because they'd prefer just enough friction to make people go
"ah hell, I guess I'll spend $130 on a real kindle" after half a book.
Cheers - Jaimie

What really happens, at least in my case, is that I don’t read
books using
Kindle software unless I have no choice. This means that I don’t
buy many
ebooks from Amazon, and the few I do buy either lack DRM or have a version of
DRM which can be stripped from the ebook. Those books are converted to epubs
using calibre, and fed to Marvin on my iPad. Marvin is much better behaved
than Kindle, or iBooks. Some ebooks from Amazon (and Apple) have DRM
that’s
hard to kill. If I really must have that book, I put up with the DRM, but I
don’t like it. There is no fiction author whose books I like
enough to put
up with DRM, so the only DRMed books I have are technical books. And when new
DRM-strippers come out, I try them out to see if they work with previously
resistant books. If they do, then that’s another book for Marvin.
I have also been known to cut the pages out of a physical book, OCR it, clean
up the resulting file, and convert _that_ to epub. I am currently about
halfway through cleaning up an OCR of Martin Middlebrook’s
_Convoy_, a very
nice look at the greatest convoy battle on the North Atlantic, the defense of
SC122 and HX229 in March of 1943, and of Max Hasting’s _Overlord_,
a nice
look at the battle for France in the summer of 1944.

There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I should introduce you to SP Somtow because his ebooks of the old Inquisitor
series are images of each page....

If he has the images he is about 10% of the way there.

scanning is the easy part. I get a stack of pages and line them up on the
scanner’s Automatic Document Feeder and set the scanner to scan front and
back, and scan at 600 dpi to either PDF or PNG. I’ve found that JPGs have
quality problems.

Post by Bill Gill
After you
have the images you have to run them through some OCR software.

I correct the scans for simple errors such as being upside down, or dust or
dirt or something, or not being lined up properly despite the ADF. I then run
them through OCR, saving the results as a single MS Word document.

Post by Bill Gill
Then
the work begins. I personally run through each book about 5 times,
4 times in a word processor and again in Calibre's epub editor.

I run through the Word file until I feel sure that there aren’t any more
problems, then feed the result to an epub creator. At this point I usually
discover additional problems and fix them. I also set up the Table of
Contents, and, if the book had illustrations or other graphics (history books
often have maps, tables, other items which might stray from their captions)
make sure that the illustrations are correct way up, associated with the
correct caption, etc., and generate a Table of Figures.

Post by Bill Gill
After
that I generally have corrected most of the errors. From start of the
scan to finished ebook takes a week and a half to 2 weeks, working
several hours a day.

It’s possible to finish a book in a matter of hours. Getting it done
_correctly_ can take weeks to a month.

Post by Bill Gill
Bill

[Bill Gill]

Post by Wolffan
It’s possible to finish a book in a matter of hours. Getting it done
_correctly_ can take weeks to a month.

Amen!

Bill

[David Goldfarb]

Post by James Nicoll
I should introduce you to SP Somtow because his ebooks of the old Inquisitor
series are images of each page....

That's "Inquestor".

[Default User]

Post by Bill Gill
There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I've been reading a mystery series originally from the 90s that were
made available as ebooks. It interesting because I spot the occasional
OCR error. Like a sentence obviously supposed to begin, "With . . ."
had "Willi . . ". There's no Willi in the book.


Brian

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill
There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I've been reading a mystery series originally from the 90s that were
made available as ebooks. It interesting because I spot the occasional
OCR error. Like a sentence obviously supposed to begin, "With . . ."
had "Willi . . ". There's no Willi in the book.

Heh. Bill's scan of the dead-tree _Point_ was excellent, with
very few errors, but I did notice on the third or fourth proofing
that it had dropped a lot of periods (.) from the end of
sentences. I *hope* I managed to put them all back, but I'll
probably never know. :)

[Bill Gill]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill
There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I've been reading a mystery series originally from the 90s that were
made available as ebooks. It interesting because I spot the occasional
OCR error. Like a sentence obviously supposed to begin, "With . . ."
had "Willi . . ". There's no Willi in the book.

Heh. Bill's scan of the dead-tree _Point_ was excellent, with
very few errors, but I did notice on the third or fourth proofing
that it had dropped a lot of periods (.) from the end of
sentences. I *hope* I managed to put them all back, but I'll
probably never know. :)

I found some more when I did my final scan through it. I expect
there are more.

Bill

[Wolffan]

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill
There are ways to do the conversion of a paper book to epub without
destroying the book. That is how I converted Dorothy's books. A lot
of information is available at http://www.diybookscanner.org/.

I've been reading a mystery series originally from the 90s that were
made available as ebooks. It interesting because I spot the occasional
OCR error. Like a sentence obviously supposed to begin, "With . . ."
had "Willi . . ". There's no Willi in the book.

I’ve seen a lot of that kind of thing in retail ebooks. There’s no excuse
for that, not in books printed in the last 25-30 years, which will have been
laid out digitally in the first place. They wouldn’t need to OCR paper
copies and convert them, they should already have the original file and could
just feed that to an epub creator.

Post by Default User
Brian

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

On my iPad, I was able to download the epub and read it in
iBooks without a problem.

pt

[Default User]

Post by Cryptoengineer
On my iPad, I was able to download the epub and read it in
iBooks without a problem.

I've had a lot less trouble with EPUB books just in general.


Brian

[Bill Gill]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

On my iPad, I was able to download the epub and read it in
iBooks without a problem.
pt

The problem is just in getting Win 10 to recognize that an
AZW3 file is supposed to open in the Kindle app. If I get it
in the Kindle directory then the Kindle app will open it.

Personally I always go to epub. I have backed out my Kindle app to
version 1.17.1. That way the DRM removal plug in in Calibre can remove
the DRM. The DRM for Version 1.21 can't be removed by the plug in. At
least it couldn't the last time I checked.

Anyway I can read an epub on my table just fine.

Bill

[Default User]

Post by Bill Gill
The problem is just in getting Win 10 to recognize that an
AZW3 file is supposed to open in the Kindle app. If I get it
in the Kindle directory then the Kindle app will open it.
Personally I always go to epub. I have backed out my Kindle app to
version 1.17.1. That way the DRM removal plug in in Calibre can
remove the DRM. The DRM for Version 1.21 can't be removed by the
plug in. At least it couldn't the last time I checked.

Are you still having the problem? As I mentioned, I was initially. When
I did an Open With on the file in my Documents, and fed it the path to
the Kindle app, it opened. Now the association is set and I can
double-click that or other AZW3 files.


Brian

[Bill Gill]

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill
The problem is just in getting Win 10 to recognize that an
AZW3 file is supposed to open in the Kindle app. If I get it
in the Kindle directory then the Kindle app will open it.
Personally I always go to epub. I have backed out my Kindle app to
version 1.17.1. That way the DRM removal plug in in Calibre can
remove the DRM. The DRM for Version 1.21 can't be removed by the
plug in. At least it couldn't the last time I checked.

Are you still having the problem? As I mentioned, I was initially. When
I did an Open With on the file in my Documents, and fed it the path to
the Kindle app, it opened. Now the association is set and I can
double-click that or other AZW3 files.
Brian

Where I was having a problem is that when I clicked 'Open With'
I just got a list of apps. There was no way to access the file
tree to get to the Kindle app. I tried a bunch of ways and
never figured out how to get there.

Bill

[Default User]

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Default User

Post by Bill Gill
The problem is just in getting Win 10 to recognize that an
AZW3 file is supposed to open in the Kindle app. If I get it
in the Kindle directory then the Kindle app will open it.
Personally I always go to epub. I have backed out my Kindle app
to version 1.17.1. That way the DRM removal plug in in Calibre
can remove the DRM. The DRM for Version 1.21 can't be removed by
the plug in. At least it couldn't the last time I checked.

Are you still having the problem? As I mentioned, I was initially.
When I did an Open With on the file in my Documents, and fed it the
path to the Kindle app, it opened. Now the association is set and I
can double-click that or other AZW3 files.

Where I was having a problem is that when I clicked 'Open With'
I just got a list of apps. There was no way to access the file
tree to get to the Kindle app. I tried a bunch of ways and
never figured out how to get there.

Yeah, I had something similar, but what I did was just copy the full
path to the app (if you have desktop icon it's easy, as you can get it
out of the properties. I then just pasted that if on a "browse". After
that, the association seemed to be set.

PS, I have "heard" (not that I would do something like myself) there's
a workaround with newer Kindle apps to knock out the problem you
describe. See method 2 below.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283371


Brian

[Default User]

Post by Default User
Yeah, I had something similar, but what I did was just copy the full
path to the app (if you have desktop icon it's easy, as you can get it
out of the properties. I then just pasted that if on a "browse". After
that, the association seemed to be set.

Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose another app
because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select More apps. At the very
end of the list, there is Look for another app on this PC.

When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog. You can
either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full path if you
have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the desktop icon.

On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe

[user] is your user location.


Brian

[Jay E. Morris]

Post by Default User

Post by Default User
Yeah, I had something similar, but what I did was just copy the full
path to the app (if you have desktop icon it's easy, as you can get it
out of the properties. I then just pasted that if on a "browse". After
that, the association seemed to be set.

Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose another app
because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select More apps. At the very
end of the list, there is Look for another app on this PC.
When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog. You can
either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full path if you
have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the desktop icon.
On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe
[user] is your user location.
Brian

But on mine the "do this automatically...." is grayed out and can't be set.

[Default User]

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose another
app because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select More apps. At
the very end of the list, there is Look for another app on this PC.
When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog. You
can either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full path if
you have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the desktop icon.
On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe
[user] is your user location.

But on mine the "do this automatically...." is grayed out and can't be set.

Did you go through what I outlined? Once I opened a file that way, it
was set for any further double-click or Open With operations?


Brian

[Jay E. Morris]

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose another
app because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select More apps. At
the very end of the list, there is Look for another app on this PC.
When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog. You
can either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full path if
you have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the desktop icon.
On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe
[user] is your user location.

But on mine the "do this automatically...." is grayed out and can't be set.

Did you go through what I outlined? Once I opened a file that way, it
was set for any further double-click or Open With operations?
Brian

Yes. I've done this for quite a few apps and had a couple that were
grayed out. IIRC the troublesome ones were in my profile instead of the
program directories. Perhaps at some point I'd changed some security bit.

[Default User]

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose
another app because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select
More apps. At the very end of the list, there is Look for
another app on this PC.
When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog.
You can either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full
path if you have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the
desktop icon.
On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe
[user] is your user location.

But on mine the "do this automatically...." is grayed out and can't be set.

Did you go through what I outlined? Once I opened a file that way,
it was set for any further double-click or Open With operations?

Yes. I've done this for quite a few apps and had a couple that were
grayed out. IIRC the troublesome ones were in my profile instead of
the program directories. Perhaps at some point I'd changed some
security bit.

I'm not sure what is "grayed out". Specifically what screen and what
option?


Brian

[Jay E. Morris]

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose
another app because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select
More apps. At the very end of the list, there is Look for
another app on this PC.
When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog.
You can either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full
path if you have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the
desktop icon.
On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe
[user] is your user location.

But on mine the "do this automatically...." is grayed out and can't be set.

Did you go through what I outlined? Once I opened a file that way,
it was set for any further double-click or Open With operations?

Yes. I've done this for quite a few apps and had a couple that were
grayed out. IIRC the troublesome ones were in my profile instead of
the program directories. Perhaps at some point I'd changed some
security bit.

I'm not sure what is "grayed out". Specifically what screen and what
option?
Brian

May have been open with from the download screen. I just fixed it with
regedt.

[Default User]

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
I'm not sure what is "grayed out". Specifically what screen and what
option?

May have been open with from the download screen. I just fixed it
with regedt.

Sounds good. I suggest adding specifics for anyone else having problems.


Brian

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
I'm not sure what is "grayed out". Specifically what screen and what
option?

May have been open with from the download screen. I just fixed it
with regedt.

Sounds good. I suggest adding specifics for anyone else having problems.

If someone will give me a text, I'll gladly add it to the site.
Neither Hal nor I know *any*thing about Kindle.

[Jay E. Morris]

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
I'm not sure what is "grayed out". Specifically what screen and what
option?

May have been open with from the download screen. I just fixed it
with regedt.

Sounds good. I suggest adding specifics for anyone else having problems.
Brian

I have no doubt the method you listed works for 99%. I've just played
with this box so much sometimes it's cranky. Plus I'm cranky right now
plus pain meds so I just went nuclear and edited the registry.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
I'm not sure what is "grayed out". Specifically what screen and what
option?

May have been open with from the download screen. I just fixed it
with regedt.

Sounds good. I suggest adding specifics for anyone else having problems.
Brian

I have no doubt the method you listed works for 99%. I've just played
with this box so much sometimes it's cranky. Plus I'm cranky right now
plus pain meds so I just went nuclear and edited the registry.

I'm so sorry to hear that you're in pain.

That said, better to go nuclear on a registry than on another
person. Hang in there.

[Default User]

Post by Jay E. Morris

Post by Default User
Sounds good. I suggest adding specifics for anyone else having problems.

I have no doubt the method you listed works for 99%. I've just
played with this box so much sometimes it's cranky. Plus I'm cranky
right now plus pain meds so I just went nuclear and edited the
registry.

Sure, hope you feel better soon.


Brian

[Bill Gill]

Post by Default User

Post by Default User
Yeah, I had something similar, but what I did was just copy the full
path to the app (if you have desktop icon it's easy, as you can get it
out of the properties. I then just pasted that if on a "browse". After
that, the association seemed to be set.

Further details. When you do an Open With and click Choose another app
because Kindle isn't one of the defaults, select More apps. At the very
end of the list, there is Look for another app on this PC.
When you click that, it opens a standard file selection dialog. You can
either navigate to the Kindle app, or paste in the full path if you
have that copied. As mentioned, I got it off the desktop icon.
On my PC it's
C:\[user]\AppData\Local\Amazon\Kindle\application\Kindle.exe
[user] is your user location.
Brian

At last! I did it and it worked. I think that it will keep one
working. I certainly hope so.

Bill

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Bill Gill

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"

The problem wasn't with the Kindle side of it. I was
trying it on my Windows 10 computer with the Kindle App.
Normally if you double click on a file the file will be
opened in the associated app. So I expected when I double
clicked on the file with a file extension of '.azw3' that it
would open in the Kindle App. It didn't. It asked what I
wanted to open it with. But I could not get it to show that
the Kindle App was a good program to open it with.
I worked for about an hour trying to get the computer to
associate the azw3 file extension with the Kindle App. I
tried a bunch of tips off of the web to get it to do it and
nothing worked.
I found out that if the file was in the 'My Kindle Content'
directory Kindle will show it. I have no idea why it won't
work the old fashioned way.

On my iPad, I was able to download the epub and read it in
iBooks without a problem.

And Hal managed to download the PDF version to his Pi (!) and
I've looked over Chapter 7. It's all there, all the way down to
"'Condition RT' is now true.".

I did note, however, that wherever there's anything in italic
font, it overlaps several of the following characters in roman.
I don't know if there's anything to be done about that, nor even
if this is only a characteristic of reading the PDF in very very
small type on a Pi.

I'll check again when I get home and can use a REAL computer. :)
But it's my belief that the text of Chapter 7 is not truncated.

[Michal Jakuszewski]

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

I downloaded azw3 version and it didn't open in Kindle for PC (Windows 10 apparently doesn't think azw3 is a Kindle format), but I changed azw3 into simple azw and now it opens all right.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

Post by Michal Jakuszewski

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Bill Gill has given me the formatted files for the revised*
_A Point of Honor_, and Hal has put them on my website,
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/index.html .
Bill tells me, however, that Amazon has done something funny* to
the formatting, and he's not sure if the Kindle edition is
readable. Would anybody with a Kindle please try downloading the
thing, and let me know if there are any problems?
Thanks.
_____
*Revised, because Jo Walton reviewed it with "But why are the bad
guys so stupid?" I've tried to fix it a bit.
**"That's funny 'peculiar.' not funny 'ha-ha.'"
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

I downloaded azw3 version and it didn't open in Kindle for PC (Windows
10 apparently doesn't think azw3 is a Kindle format), but I changed azw3
into simple azw and now it opens all right.

Well, good. We can hope that people who just want to download
the Kindle version onto their Kindles won't have trouble.