Margaret Court the obvious goat

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar grand
slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10 calendar
grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

SHE'S NOT A MOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh oh yes she is :)

*skriptis

2021-03-01 18:13:18 UTC

On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 09:30:21 UTC, Whisper wrote:> Grand slam titles : 64 > > Singles : 24 > Doubles : 19 > Mixed Doubles : 21 > > > Calendar grand slams; > > Singles : 1970 > Mixed Doubles : 1963 > Mixed Doubles : 1965 > > > Career Grand Slams; > > Singles : 3 > Doubles : 2 > Mixed Doubles : 4 > > > > > She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year); > > Singles; > > 1962 > 1965 > 1969 > 1973 > > > > Doubles; > > 1973 > > > Mixed Doubles; > > 1964 > 1969 > > > So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar grand > slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10 calendar > grand slams! > > > Also; > > All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone > > Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone > > Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17% > (593â56) Stands alone > > Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73% > (111-10) Stands alone > > Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01% > (293-22) Stands alone > > Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone > > WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone > > > Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?SHE'S NOT A MOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh oh yes she is :)

Lol

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2021-03-01 12:54:50 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar grand
slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10 calendar
grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

From Wiki:

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in April
1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established tournaments,
including the four Majors. There was no prize money and players were
compensated for travel expenses only. However many top tennis players
turned professional to play legally for prize money in the years before
the open era. They played in separate professional events, mostly on
tours involving head-to-head competition, but also in professional
tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour. Professional
tournaments, in particular the professional Majors, usually only had a
men's draw."

So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?

Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!

:O

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Gerrit 't Hart

2021-03-01 13:28:43 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

    "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in April
1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established tournaments,
including the four Majors. There was no prize money and players were
compensated for travel expenses only. However many top tennis players
turned professional to play legally for prize money in the years before
the open era. They played in separate professional events, mostly on
tours involving head-to-head competition, but also in professional
tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour. Professional
tournaments, in particular the professional Majors, usually only had a
men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
    Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
    :O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

*skriptis

2021-03-01 16:34:20 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in April
1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established tournaments,
including the four Majors. There was no prize money and players were
compensated for travel expenses only. However many top tennis players
turned professional to play legally for prize money in the years before
the open era. They played in separate professional events, mostly on
tours involving head-to-head competition, but also in professional
tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour. Professional
tournaments, in particular the professional Majors, usually only had a
men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

I guess for him Olympic gold medals count for nothing as they were
amateurs. ;)

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2021-03-01 18:38:15 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in April
1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established tournaments,
including the four Majors. There was no prize money and players were
compensated for travel expenses only. However many top tennis players
turned professional to play legally for prize money in the years before
the open era. They played in separate professional events, mostly on
tours involving head-to-head competition, but also in professional
tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour. Professional
tournaments, in particular the professional Majors, usually only had a
men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

I guess for him Olympic gold medals count for nothing as they were
amateurs. ;)

he totally discounts Carl Lewis' 9 Gold Medals!

The Iceberg

2021-03-01 17:44:16 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in April
1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established tournaments,
including the four Majors. There was no prize money and players were
compensated for travel expenses only. However many top tennis players
turned professional to play legally for prize money in the years before
the open era. They played in separate professional events, mostly on
tours involving head-to-head competition, but also in professional
tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour. Professional
tournaments, in particular the professional Majors, usually only had a
men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

trying to tell racist Serena-fanboy Garvin this kind of stuff is like talking to a brick wall.

Brian Lawrence

2021-03-01 20:02:56 UTC

On 01/03/2021 13:28, Gerrit 't Hart wrote:

<snip>

Post by Gerrit 't Hart
There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

You say that, but according to Wiki:

Maria Bueno 'turned pro: 1950'
Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'
Margaret Court 'turned pro: 1960'

Suzanne Lenglen 'turned pro: 1926'

Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US
player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen
earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates
in Canada as well as the US.

<http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>

In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn
Dewhurst.

In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.

Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz
played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous' Gussie
Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of warm-up
matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).

<https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rekvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jU0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4455%2C1558991>

<https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/sports/tennis/pauline-betz-addie-a-dominant-tennis-champion-dies-at-91.html>

The Iceberg

2021-03-01 20:18:25 UTC

Post by Brian Lawrence
<snip>

Maria Bueno 'turned pro: 1950'
Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'
Margaret Court 'turned pro: 1960'
Suzanne Lenglen 'turned pro: 1926'
Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US
player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen
earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates
in Canada as well as the US.
<http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>
In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn
Dewhurst.
In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.
Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz
played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous' Gussie
Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of warm-up
matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).
<https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rekvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jU0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4455%2C1558991>
<https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/sports/tennis/pauline-betz-addie-a-dominant-tennis-champion-dies-at-91.html>

Brian clearly has no idea, what a surprise, that you really cannot compare any of this to the men pro circuits, Lenglen's pro career lasted a whole year!

Garvin Yee

2021-03-01 20:44:06 UTC

Post by Brian Lawrence
<snip>

Maria Bueno       'turned pro: 1950'
Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'
Margaret Court    'turned pro: 1960'
Suzanne Lenglen   'turned pro: 1926'
Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US
player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen
earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates
in Canada as well as the US.
    <http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>
In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn
Dewhurst.
In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.
Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz
played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous' Gussie
Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of warm-up
matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).

Wait a minute, something is wrong on Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Court

So that claims Court turn Pro in 1960.

But another Wiki article states: "Before the advent of the Open era of
tennis competitions in April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete
in established tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no
prize money and players were compensated for travel expenses only."

So was Court a pro, or an amateur, from 1960-1968?

How could she have competed in all those Slams, as a pro?

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*skriptis

2021-03-01 20:49:45 UTC

On 3/1/2021 1:02 PM, Brian Lawrence wrote:> On 01/03/2021 13:28, Gerrit 't Hart wrote:> > <snip>> >> There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open >> era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the >> world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!> > You say that, but according to Wiki:> > Maria Bueno 'turned pro: 1950'> Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'> Margaret Court 'turned pro: 1960'> > Suzanne Lenglen 'turned pro: 1926'> > Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US> player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen> earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates> in Canada as well as the US.> > <http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>> > In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn> Dewhurst.> > In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.> > Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz> played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous' Gussie > Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of warm-up > matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).> Wait a minute, something is wrong on Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Court So that claims Court turn Pro in 1960.But another Wiki article states: "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and players were compensated for travel expenses only." So was Court a pro, or an amateur, from 1960-1968? How could she have competed in all those Slams, as a pro?-- https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

Strip her of those slams?

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The Iceberg

2021-03-01 22:16:00 UTC

Strip her of those slams?

erase her from the books too!

Brian Lawrence

2021-03-01 21:17:11 UTC

Post by Brian Lawrence
<snip>

Post by Gerrit 't Hart
There were NO women professional players before the advent of the
open era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in
the world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

Maria Bueno       'turned pro: 1950'
Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'
Margaret Court    'turned pro: 1960'
Suzanne Lenglen   'turned pro: 1926'
Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US
player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen
earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates
in Canada as well as the US.
     <http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>
In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn
Dewhurst.
In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.
Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz
played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous'
Gussie Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of
warm-up matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Court
    So that claims Court turn Pro in 1960.
But another Wiki article states: "Before the advent of the Open era of
tennis competitions in April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete
in established tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no
prize money and players were compensated for travel expenses only."
    So was Court a pro, or an amateur, from 1960-1968?
    How could she have competed in all those Slams, as a pro?

Because she was a 'shamateur' maybe?

<https://www.wnewsj.com/sports/local-sports-1/48580/with-the-us-open-underway-a-look-at-end-of-shamateur-tennis>

<https://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/02/1970-womens-tour-begins/54184/>

<https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/>

Garvin Yee

2021-03-02 05:20:23 UTC

Post by Brian Lawrence

Post by Brian Lawrence
<snip>

Post by Gerrit 't Hart
There were NO women professional players before the advent of the
open era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players
in the world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

Maria Bueno       'turned pro: 1950'
Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'
Margaret Court    'turned pro: 1960'
Suzanne Lenglen   'turned pro: 1926'
Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US
player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen
earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates
in Canada as well as the US.
     <http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>
In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn
Dewhurst.
In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.
Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz
played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous'
Gussie Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of
warm-up matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).

         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Court
     So that claims Court turn Pro in 1960.
But another Wiki article states: "Before the advent of the Open era of
tennis competitions in April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to
compete in established tournaments, including the four Majors. There
was no prize money and players were compensated for travel expenses
only."
     So was Court a pro, or an amateur, from 1960-1968?
     How could she have competed in all those Slams, as a pro?

Because she was a 'shamateur' maybe?
<https://www.wnewsj.com/sports/local-sports-1/48580/with-the-us-open-underway-a-look-at-end-of-shamateur-tennis>
<https://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/02/1970-womens-tour-begins/54184/>
<https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/>

From: https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/

"Before tennis open era creation:
Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed
for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the
Grand Slams.

It was a rule that starved the four majors of the world’s finest players
alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more others.

The amateurs however weren’t exactly playing for pride alone. ” It’s not
fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called it
SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting paid
under the table. It wasn’t a lot of fun” Billie Jean King explains.

With the sport so fragmented, it’s popularity was suffering. After, it
came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.

After tennis open era creation
On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS CLUB
in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the
Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.

After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched.
Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the
quality of the play while also play the most historical and important
tournaments.

Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments.
Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to
players."

So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and
the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It
sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns
playing in them!

Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.

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Whisper

2021-03-02 00:22:10 UTC

Post by Brian Lawrence
<snip>

Post by Gerrit 't Hart
There were NO women professional players before the advent of the
open era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in
the world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

Maria Bueno       'turned pro: 1950'
Billie Jean King 'turned pro: 1959'
Margaret Court    'turned pro: 1960'
Suzanne Lenglen   'turned pro: 1926'
Lenglen played on a US professional tour in 1926/27. However, only US
player Mary Browne joined her. Both lost their amateur status. Lenglen
earned $100k from the tour, which lasted 4 months and included dates
in Canada as well as the US.
     <http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html>
In July 1927 Lenglen played a 7-stop UK tour, with Dora Koring & Evelyn
Dewhurst.
In 1941 Alice Marble played on a tour which also featured Mary Hardwick.
Pauline Betz turned pro in 1947 and Althea Gibson did so in 1958. Betz
played against Sarah Palfrey Cooke (1947), and against 'Gorgeous'
Gussie Moran (1950/51). Gibson played Karol Fageras in a series of
warm-up matches for the Harlem Globetrotters (Gibson won 114-4).

Should be deducted like Lance Armstrong.

Whisper

2021-03-02 00:08:39 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

     "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
     Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
     :O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

The same players played pre & post 1968 as there was no female pro tour.
Maragret Court won a calendar slam in the opeb era. How about Serena?
Oh that's right she had great talents like Flavia Penetta and Roberta
Vinci standing in her way at 2015 USO, no wonder it was a bridge too
far. Court & BJK were lucky to avoid those type of players ; )

guypers

2021-03-02 00:19:28 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

Max's Hoemom

2021-03-02 00:36:28 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

And then he promptly threw the match against BJK... the fixer.

Gracchus

2021-03-02 02:31:31 UTC

Post by Whisper
Maragret Court won a calendar slam in the opeb era. How about Serena?
Oh that's right she had great talents like Flavia Penetta and Roberta
Vinci standing in her way at 2015 USO, no wonder it was a bridge too
far. Court & BJK were lucky to avoid those type of players ; )

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

He wasn't 59.

guypers

2021-03-02 03:10:42 UTC

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

He wasn't 59.

55 wow so young,

Gracchus

2021-03-02 04:56:14 UTC

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

He wasn't 59.

55 wow so young,

Not back then, but it is now. ;)

Whisper

2021-03-02 10:20:41 UTC

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

He wasn't 59.

55 wow so young,

Who was that fat 1,000th ranked retired player who smoked a pack day
that thrashed both sistas 61 62?

Whisper

2021-03-02 10:24:03 UTC

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

He wasn't 59.

55 wow so young,

Who was that fat 1,000th ranked retired player who smoked a pack day
that thrashed both sistas 61 62?

"It just so happened that Karsten Braasch of Germany, ranked 203rd, was
in ear shot. He thought it would be fun so stepped up to say he’d be
happy to take them on.

The date was set and the day arrived. Braasch played a warmup round of
golf in the morning, then came to Melbourne Park. The threesome went out
to a back court where each sister would have a one-set shot at Braasch.
Word had spread around the grounds that the event was taking place,
which caused tournament officials to restrict admittance to the area to
only those with badges.

Braasch would smoke cigarettes and sip beer during the changeovers, and
to be honest no longer looked the part of a fit professional athlete. It
made no matter. Braasch led 5-0 over Serena before winning the set 6-1,
and then posted a 6-2 set victory over Venus."

The Iceberg

2021-03-02 11:35:13 UTC

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

He wasn't 59.

55 wow so young,

Who was that fat 1,000th ranked retired player who smoked a pack day
that thrashed both sistas 61 62?

"It just so happened that Karsten Braasch of Germany, ranked 203rd, was
in ear shot. He thought it would be fun so stepped up to say he’d be
happy to take them on.
The date was set and the day arrived. Braasch played a warmup round of
golf in the morning, then came to Melbourne Park. The threesome went out
to a back court where each sister would have a one-set shot at Braasch.
Word had spread around the grounds that the event was taking place,
which caused tournament officials to restrict admittance to the area to
only those with badges.
Braasch would smoke cigarettes and sip beer during the changeovers, and
to be honest no longer looked the part of a fit professional athlete. It
made no matter. Braasch led 5-0 over Serena before winning the set 6-1,
and then posted a 6-2 set victory over Venus."

it obvious, Billie-Jean King was better than Serena and Venus and is the GOAT!

The Iceberg

2021-03-02 09:21:12 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

There were NO women professional players before the advent of the open
era, so Margaret Court played against the best female players in the
world at that time, so your posts about this are spurious!

Bobby Riggs beat her 61,60 when he was 59 yrs old! Lolololololol!!!!

you claim your sister nearly beat Margaret Court too HAHAHHAHAHAH! LOL

Whisper

2021-03-02 00:04:40 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) 91.17%
(593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

All the best women players in the world played the slams before 1968 eg
Billie Jean King, Maria Bueno, Virginia Wade, Althea Gibson, Maureen
Connolly etc . There were no pro women players. You're the only one
questioning why Serena is chasing 24. Ask Serena why : )

Garvin Yee

2021-03-02 05:17:22 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

     "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
     Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
     :O

Not just me, plenty of sites list Open Era only Slam wins, which
gives Court only 11 Slam titles.

If there were no pro women players, then how did they make money
to support themselves?

https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/

"Before tennis open era creation:
Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed
for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the
Grand Slams.

It was a rule that starved the four majors of the world’s finest players
alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more others.

The amateurs however weren’t exactly playing for pride alone. ” It’s not
fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called it
SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting paid
under the table. It wasn’t a lot of fun” Billie Jean King explains.

With the sport so fragmented, it’s popularity was suffering. After, it
came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.

After tennis open era creation
On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS CLUB
in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the
Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.

After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched.
Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the
quality of the play while also play the most historical and important
tournaments.

Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments.
Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to
players."

So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and
the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It
sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns
playing in them!

Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.

--
https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

The Iceberg

2021-03-02 09:24:07 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

Not just me, plenty of sites list Open Era only Slam wins, which
gives Court only 11 Slam titles.
If there were no pro women players, then how did they make money
to support themselves?
https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/
Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed
for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the
Grand Slams.
It was a rule that starved the four majors of the world’s finest players
alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more others.
The amateurs however weren’t exactly playing for pride alone. ” It’s not
fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called it
SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting paid
under the table. It wasn’t a lot of fun” Billie Jean King explains.
With the sport so fragmented, it’s popularity was suffering. After, it
came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.
After tennis open era creation
On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS CLUB
in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the
Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.
After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched.
Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the
quality of the play while also play the most historical and important
tournaments.
Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments.
Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to
players."
So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and
the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It
sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns
playing in them!
Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.

are you a millenial cos you know nothing about history and telling you anything is like talking to a brick wall, like nothing goes in, Serena herself could explain why she's desperate to get to 24 and you'd deny it, in fact your dumbness level seems to get worse when we do tell ya stuff!

Post by Garvin Yee
https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

oh yes there's the answer about Serena, let me guess, you're American.

The Iceberg

2021-03-02 09:29:49 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10) Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) 93.01%
(293-22) Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

"Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
:O

Not just me, plenty of sites list Open Era only Slam wins, which
gives Court only 11 Slam titles.
If there were no pro women players, then how did they make money
to support themselves?
https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/
Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed
for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the
Grand Slams.
It was a rule that starved the four majors of the world’s finest players
alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more others.
The amateurs however weren’t exactly playing for pride alone. ” It’s not
fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called it
SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting paid
under the table. It wasn’t a lot of fun” Billie Jean King explains.
With the sport so fragmented, it’s popularity was suffering. After, it
came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.
After tennis open era creation
On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS CLUB
in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the
Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.
After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched.
Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the
quality of the play while also play the most historical and important
tournaments.
Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments.
Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to
players."
So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and
the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It
sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns
playing in them!
Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.

Post by Garvin Yee
https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

oh yes there's the answer about Serena, let me guess, you're American.

guess should try to help you really, maybe in your world could you tell us what on earth Sampras was doing chasing Roy Emmerson's 0 slams?

Whisper

2021-03-02 10:19:11 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) 91.73%
(111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court)
93.01% (293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

     "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money in
the years before the open era. They played in separate professional
events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head competition, but also
in professional tournaments as the biggest events on the pro tour.
Professional tournaments, in particular the professional Majors,
usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone think
that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of the time?
     Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
     :O

All the best women players in the world played the slams before 1968
eg Billie Jean King, Maria Bueno, Virginia Wade, Althea Gibson,
Maureen Connolly etc . There were no pro women players. You're the
only one questioning why Serena is chasing 24. Ask Serena why : )

   Not just me, plenty of sites list Open Era only Slam wins, which
gives Court only 11 Slam titles.
   If there were no pro women players, then how did they make money
to support themselves?
      https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/
Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed
for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the
Grand Slams.
It was a rule that starved the four majors of the world’s finest players
alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more others.
The amateurs however weren’t exactly playing for pride alone. ” It’s not
fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called it
SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting paid
under the table. It wasn’t a lot of fun” Billie Jean King explains.
With the sport so fragmented, it’s popularity was suffering. After, it
came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.
After tennis open era creation
On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS CLUB
in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the
Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.
After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched.
Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the
quality of the play while also play the most historical and important
tournaments.
Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments.
Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to
players."
     So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and
the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It
sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns
playing in them!
     Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.

Good luck selling that idea : )

Imo Connolly or Moody are prob the goats.

Garvin Yee

2021-03-02 13:14:49 UTC

Post by Whisper
Grand slam titles : 64
Singles : 24
Doubles : 19
Mixed Doubles : 21
Calendar grand slams;
Singles : 1970
Mixed Doubles : 1963
Mixed Doubles : 1965
Career Grand Slams;
Singles : 3
Doubles : 2
Mixed Doubles : 4
She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the year);
Singles;
1962
1965
1969
1973
Doubles;
1973
Mixed Doubles;
1964
1969
So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar
grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10
calendar grand slams!
Also;
All time women's record of 192 Singles titles     Stands alone
Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces)
91.17% (593–56)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court)
91.73% (111-10)     Stands alone
Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court)
93.01% (293-22)     Stands alone
Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year     Stands alone
Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?

     "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in
April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established
tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and
players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top
tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money
in the years before the open era. They played in separate
professional events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head
competition, but also in professional tournaments as the biggest
events on the pro tour. Professional tournaments, in particular the
professional Majors, usually only had a men's draw."
So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24
Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams
were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And
with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone
think that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of
the time?
     Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the
GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!
     :O

All the best women players in the world played the slams before 1968
eg Billie Jean King, Maria Bueno, Virginia Wade, Althea Gibson,
Maureen Connolly etc . There were no pro women players. You're the
only one questioning why Serena is chasing 24. Ask Serena why : )

    Not just me, plenty of sites list Open Era only Slam wins, which
gives Court only 11 Slam titles.
    If there were no pro women players, then how did they make money
to support themselves?
       https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/
Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed
for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the
Grand Slams.
It was a rule that starved the four majors of the world’s finest
players alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more
others.
The amateurs however weren’t exactly playing for pride alone. ” It’s
not fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called
it SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting
paid under the table. It wasn’t a lot of fun” Billie Jean King explains.
With the sport so fragmented, it’s popularity was suffering. After, it
came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.
After tennis open era creation
On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS
CLUB in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the
Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.
After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched.
Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the
quality of the play while also play the most historical and important
tournaments.
Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments.
Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to
players."
      So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and
the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It
sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns
playing in them!
      Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.

Good luck selling that idea : )

I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many!

From Forbes:

"ESPN’s John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams
the GOAT.

“I think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,”
McEnroe said in 2015. “Man or woman. She's the greatest female player
I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over."

Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.

“Of course Serena is the best ever," she said in 2018. "A case can be
made, but it's really ridiculous. We were the best in our era. Serena is
the best in her era.”"

Post by Whisper
Imo Connolly or Moody are prob the goats.

The GOATS playing with wooden rackets, with NO PRIZE MONEY,
and often no draws for women? Unlikely.

Nevertheless, I must admit for Connolly to win SIX Slams in
a row, is an incredible achievement, even if she was in an
amateur clown era!

Too bad she died of cancer at the tender age of 34.

:(

--
https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

*skriptis

2021-03-02 13:24:48 UTC

On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 2/03/2021 4:17 pm, Garvin Yee wrote:>> On 3/1/2021 5:04 PM, Whisper wrote:>>> On 1/03/2021 11:54 pm, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>> On 3/1/2021 2:30 AM, Whisper wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grand slam titles : 64>>>>>>>>>> Singles : 24>>>>> Doubles : 19>>>>> Mixed Doubles : 21>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calendar grand slams;>>>>>>>>>> Singles : 1970>>>>> Mixed Doubles : 1963>>>>> Mixed Doubles : 1965>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Career Grand Slams;>>>>>>>>>> Singles : 3>>>>> Doubles : 2>>>>> Mixed Doubles : 4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She almost won calendar slams in these yrs (ie 3 slams won in the >>>>> year);>>>>>>>>>> Singles;>>>>>>>>>> 1962>>>>> 1965>>>>> 1969>>>>> 1973>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubles;>>>>>>>>>> 1973>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mixed Doubles;>>>>>>>>>> 1964>>>>> 1969>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if she didn't choke so much at Wimbledon she'd have 5 calendar >>>>> grand slams in singles, 1 in doubles and 4 in mixed doubles. 10 >>>>> calendar grand slams!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also;>>>>>>>>>> All time women's record of 192 Singles titles Stands alone>>>>>>>>>> Open era record of 46 career grass court singles titles Stands alone>>>>>>>>>> Open era career singles match winning percentage (all surfaces) >>>>> 91.17% (593â56) Stands alone>>>>>>>>>> Open era career singles match winning percentage (hard court) >>>>> 91.73% (111-10) Stands alone>>>>>>>>>> Open era career singles match winning percentage (grass court) >>>>> 93.01% (293-22) Stands alone>>>>>>>>>> Open era record of 21 singles titles won in one year Stands alone>>>>>>>>>> WTA Tour record of 18 singles titles won in one year Stands alone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretty weird how she doesn't get the respect she deserves?>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Wiki:>>>>>>>> "Before the advent of the Open era of tennis competitions in >>>> April 1968, only amateurs were allowed to compete in established >>>> tournaments, including the four Majors. There was no prize money and >>>> players were compensated for travel expenses only. However many top >>>> tennis players turned professional to play legally for prize money >>>> in the years before the open era. They played in separate >>>> professional events, mostly on tours involving head-to-head >>>> competition, but also in professional tournaments as the biggest >>>> events on the pro tour. Professional tournaments, in particular the >>>> professional Majors, usually only had a men's draw.">>>>>>>>>>>> So why would anyone think Serena has to match or beat Court's 24>>>> Slam count, to be considered THE GOAT, if 13 of Court's Slams>>>> were between amateurs only, and not professional tennis players? And>>>> with NO PRIZE MONEY, and only NON-Professionals, how can anyone >>>> think that pre-1968 Slam events attracted the best tennis talent of >>>> the time?>>>>>>>> Sorry, RST racists! A Black woman named Serena Williams is the>>>> GOAT! She has a record 18 years between first and last Slam titles!>>>>>>>> :O>>>>>>>>>> All the best women players in the world played the slams before 1968 >>> eg Billie Jean King, Maria Bueno, Virginia Wade, Althea Gibson, >>> Maureen Connolly etc . There were no pro women players. You're the >>> only one questioning why Serena is chasing 24. Ask Serena why : )>>>>>>> Not just me, plenty of sites list Open Era only Slam wins, which>> gives Court only 11 Slam titles.>>>> If there were no pro women players, then how did they make money>> to support themselves?>>>> https://tennisario.com/tennis-open-era/>>>> "Before tennis open era creation:>> Back then, the sport was divided. Amateurs and professionals competed >> for contrasted rewards. The professionals were denied access to the >> Grand Slams.>>>> It was a rule that starved the four majors of the worldâs finest >> players alike Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Virginia Wade and much more >> others.>>>>>> The amateurs however werenât exactly playing for pride alone. â Itâs >> not fair to call amateur tennis in the 60s, amateur tennis. I called >> it SHAMATEUR tennis because it was a total SHAM that we were getting >> paid under the table. It wasnât a lot of funâ Billie Jean King explains.>>>> With the sport so fragmented, itâs popularity was suffering. After, it >> came the idea to unify the amateurs and the professionals.>>>> After tennis open era creation>> On 22 April 1968, the open era was ushered in at WEST HANTS TENNIS >> CLUB in Bournemouth with heavy expectations. And by a service from the >> Scottish John Clifton, the open era has already started.>>>> After this significant change, a new era in tennis has been launched. >> Now, the players could play tennis for a living, and increase the >> quality of the play while also play the most historical and important >> tournaments.>>>> Also, players could win prize money from the Grand Slam tournaments. >> Prior to the open era, the Grand Slams did not guarantee any money to >> players.">>>>>> So pre-Open Era, the Slams didn't have any prize money, and>> the professional tours often only had a Men's draw. It>> sounds like the Slams back in those days had weak, amateur clowns>> playing in them!>>>> Serena is the GOAT female tennis player.>>>>> Good luck selling that idea : ) I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many! From Forbes: "ESPNâs John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams the GOAT.âI think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,â McEnroe said in 2015. âMan or woman. She's the greatest female player I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over."Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.âOf course Serena is the best ever," she said in 2018. "A case can be made, but it's really ridiculous. We were the best in our era. Serena is the best in her era.â"> > Imo Connolly or Moody are prob the goats.> The GOATS playing with wooden rackets, with NO PRIZE MONEY,and often no draws for women? Unlikely. Nevertheless, I must admit for Connolly to win SIX Slams ina row, is an incredible achievement, even if she was in anamateur clown era! Too bad she died of cancer at the tender age of 34. :(-- https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

Court also won 6 slams in a row completing CYGS in the process, just as Connolly.

Court did it even "later" than Connoly so far more relevant, no?

--

Whisper

2021-03-02 13:30:15 UTC

Post by Whisper
Imo Connolly or Moody are prob the goats.

     The GOATS playing with wooden rackets, with NO PRIZE MONEY,
and often no draws for women? Unlikely.
     Nevertheless, I must admit for Connolly to win SIX Slams in
a row, is an incredible achievement, even if she was in an
amateur clown era!
     Too bad she died of cancer at the tender age of 34.
     :(

She won the last 9 slams she entered & career ended at age 19 when truck
hit her horse causing career ending injury. She would have won several
calendar slams & have 30+ overall imo.

Gracchus

2021-03-02 17:13:57 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many!
"ESPN’s John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams
the GOAT.
“I think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,”
McEnroe said in 2015. “Man or woman. She's the greatest female player
I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over."
Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit analysts.

guypers

2021-03-02 17:54:36 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

Chris should get married, Tiger available?

Garvin Yee

2021-03-03 14:26:00 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played
tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!

:/

--
https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

Gracchus

2021-03-03 16:35:49 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played
tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

LOL, that's such a lame response. Hey, look here--Navratilova says, "Serena Williams’ GOAT Status Is Up For Debate." And Martina has won more than either McEnroe or Evert, so how can she be wrong? Eeek!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/24/serena-williams-goat-status-is-up-for-debate-says-martina-navratilova/?sh=6fa8e0ae3c66

Fact is, we've seen former champions all over the board in their opinions evaluating the same players in relative greatness. Sometimes they even vacillate in their OWN assessments from month to month depending on how the wind is blowing. McEnroe and Evert are notorious for this kind of thing.

Adding the "social consciousness" factor into to the mix, one should take their on-the-record opinions with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

*skriptis

2021-03-03 17:05:51 UTC

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 6:26:01 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote: > >> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > >>> Good luck selling that idea : ) > >> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many! > > > >> From Forbes: > > > >> "ESPNâs John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams > >> the GOAT. > > > >> âI think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,â > >> McEnroe said in 2015. âMan or woman. She's the greatest female player > >> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over." > > > >> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit. > > > > LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit analysts. > >> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played > tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not > "legit" enough for you, then you need help! > > :/ LOL, that's such a lame response. Hey, look here--Navratilova says, "Serena Williamsâ GOAT Status Is Up For Debate." And Martina has won more than either McEnroe or Evert, so how can she be wrong? Eeek!https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/24/serena-williams-goat-status-is-up-for-debate-says-martina-navratilova/?sh=6fa8e0ae3c66Fact is, we've seen former champions all over the board in their opinions evaluating the same players in relative greatness. Sometimes they even vacillate in their OWN assessments from month to month depending on how the wind is blowing. McEnroe and Evert are notorious for this kind of thing.Adding the "social consciousness" factor into to the mix, one should take their on-the-record opinions with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

Ignorants...

"Aside from Laver, Graf and Court, Serena is the only player to hold all four Grand Slam singles titles on multiple occasions."

Don't they realize that anyone who wins 5 in a row, or more, has already held all four grand slam titles on multiple occasions?

System of CYGS ratings:

1. Laver, 6 pts
2. Budge, 5 pts
3. Djokovic, 1 pt

1. Connolly/Court/Graf, 5 pts
2. Navratilova, 3 pts
3. Serena, 2 pts

They praise her, while in fact she's almost at the bottom of this prestigious list?

--

Whisper

2021-03-03 21:09:10 UTC

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 6:26:01 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote: > >> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote: > > > >>> Good luck selling that idea : ) > >> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many! > > > >> From Forbes: > > > >> "ESPN’s John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams > >> the GOAT. > > > >> “I think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,” > >> McEnroe said in 2015. “Man or woman. She's the greatest female player > >> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over." > > > >> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit. > > > > LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit analysts. > >> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played > tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not > "legit" enough for you, then you need help! > > :/ LOL, that's such a lame response. Hey, look here--Navratilova says, "Serena Williams’ GOAT Status Is Up For Debate." And Martina has won more than either McEnroe or Evert, so how can she be wrong? Eeek!https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/24/serena-williams-goat-status-is-up-for-debate-says-martina-navratilova/?sh=6fa8e0ae3c66Fact is, we've seen former champions all over the board in their opinions evaluating the same players in relative greatness. Sometimes they even vacillate in their OWN assessments from month to month depending on how the wind is blowing. McEnroe and Evert are notorious for this kind of thing.Adding the "social consciousness" factor into to the mix, one should take their on-the-record opinions with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

Ignorants...
"Aside from Laver, Graf and Court, Serena is the only player to hold all four Grand Slam singles titles on multiple occasions."
Don't they realize that anyone who wins 5 in a row, or more, has already held all four grand slam titles on multiple occasions?
1. Laver, 6 pts
2. Budge, 5 pts
3. Djokovic, 1 pt
1. Connolly/Court/Graf, 5 pts
2. Navratilova, 3 pts
3. Serena, 2 pts
They praise her, while in fact she's almost at the bottom of this prestigious list?

Garvin Yee

2021-03-03 17:48:11 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played
tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

LOL, that's such a lame response. Hey, look here--Navratilova says, "Serena Williams’ GOAT Status Is Up For Debate." And Martina has won more than either McEnroe or Evert, so how can she be wrong? Eeek!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/24/serena-williams-goat-status-is-up-for-debate-says-martina-navratilova/?sh=6fa8e0ae3c66
Fact is, we've seen former champions all over the board in their opinions evaluating the same players in relative greatness. Sometimes they even vacillate in their OWN assessments from month to month depending on how the wind is blowing. McEnroe and Evert are notorious for this kind of thing.
Adding the "social consciousness" factor into to the mix, one should take their on-the-record opinions with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

Your response is lamer.

Peak Serena would destroy peak Court. In an effort to discredit
Serena, people are desperately looking into the stone ages of tennis,
when they played with wooden rackets, and had ZERO PRIZE MONEY FOR
SLAMS, and in which many tournaments only had men's draws.

How can a tournament attract the best tennis talent, if they
don't have any prize money?

--
https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

*skriptis

2021-03-03 17:56:15 UTC

On 3/3/2021 9:35 AM, Gracchus wrote:> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 6:26:01 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:>> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote:>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote:>>>>>>>> Good luck selling that idea : )>>>> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many!>>>>>>> From Forbes:>>>>>>> "ESPNâs John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams>>>> the GOAT.>>>>>>> âI think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,â>>>> McEnroe said in 2015. âMan or woman. She's the greatest female player>>>> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over.">>>>>>> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.>>>>>> LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit analysts.>>>>> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played>> tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not>> "legit" enough for you, then you need help!>>>> :/> > LOL, that's such a lame response. Hey, look here--Navratilova says, "Serena Williamsâ GOAT Status Is Up For Debate." And Martina has won more than either McEnroe or Evert, so how can she be wrong? Eeek!> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/24/serena-williams-goat-status-is-up-for-debate-says-martina-navratilova/?sh=6fa8e0ae3c66> > Fact is, we've seen former champions all over the board in their opinions evaluating the same players in relative greatness. Sometimes they even vacillate in their OWN assessments from month to month depending on how the wind is blowing. McEnroe and Evert are notorious for this kind of thing.> > Adding the "social consciousness" factor into to the mix, one should take their on-the-record opinions with a boulder-sized grain of salt.> Your response is lamer. Peak Serena would destroy peak Court. In an effort to discredit Serena, people are desperately looking into the stone ages of tennis, when they played with wooden rackets, and had ZERO PRIZE MONEY FOR SLAMS, and in which many tournaments only had men's draws. How can a tournament attract the best tennis talent, if theydon't have any prize money?-- https://fineartamerica.com/art/garvin+yee

Because that's what sport has always been about. Playing, pushing the limits and prestige.

Do Olympics matter for you or not?
Nobody gets paid there.

--

*skriptis

2021-03-03 17:59:54 UTC

And don't be stupid, Court won CYGS 11 years before Serena was born, and she won her last slam 8 years before Serena was born.

Does that sound like "Stone Age"?

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Gracchus

2021-03-03 18:21:11 UTC

Post by *skriptis
And don't be stupid, Court won CYGS 11 years before Serena was born, and she won her last slam 8 years before Serena was born.
Does that sound like "Stone Age"?

Haha! As if Court was playing Helen Wills in long skirts. :)

Garvin Yee

2021-03-03 18:31:24 UTC

Post by *skriptis
And don't be stupid, Court won CYGS 11 years before Serena was born, and she won her last slam 8 years before Serena was born.
Does that sound like "Stone Age"?

Haha! As if Court was playing Helen Wills in long skirts. :)

If no one got paid for their Slam wins, then how could they
survive? By doing something else, which means they would never
become the player they could have been, if they played tennis
full-time!

Pre-Open Era, tennis was disorganized, with no prize money,
and with weak amateur clowns. Court only has 11 Slams after 1968:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/280390/female-tennis-players-with-the-most-victories-at-grand-slam-tournaments/#:~:text=Serena%20Williams%20has%20won%20the,Venus%20Williams%2C%20in%20the%20final.

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Max's Hoemom

2021-03-03 19:40:57 UTC

Post by *skriptis
And don't be stupid, Court won CYGS 11 years before Serena was born, and she won her last slam 8 years before Serena was born.
Does that sound like "Stone Age"?

Haha! As if Court was playing Helen Wills in long skirts. :)

If no one got paid for their Slam wins, then how could they
survive? By doing something else, which means they would never
become the player they could have been, if they played tennis
full-time!

GOAT stands for Greatest of all time... which means Willie Renshaw who won 1877 Wimbledon is also involved in the discussions, even though there is not a single video footage of him playing tennis.

Whisper

2021-03-03 21:21:51 UTC

Post by Max's Hoemom

Post by *skriptis
And don't be stupid, Court won CYGS 11 years before Serena was born, and she won her last slam 8 years before Serena was born.
Does that sound like "Stone Age"?

Haha! As if Court was playing Helen Wills in long skirts. :)

If no one got paid for their Slam wins, then how could they
survive? By doing something else, which means they would never
become the player they could have been, if they played tennis
full-time!

GOAT stands for Greatest of all time... which means Willie Renshaw who won 1877 Wimbledon is also involved in the discussions, even though there is not a single video footage of him playing tennis.

Yes, Renshaw is on the record. Sure standards were different eg
challenge round, but they could change rules in any era. Players p

Whisper

2021-03-03 21:20:48 UTC

Post by Gracchus
Haha! As if Court was playing Helen Wills in long skirts. :)

If no one got paid for their Slam wins, then how could they
survive? By doing something else, which means they would never
become the player they could have been, if they played tennis
full-time!

You've got it completely back to front. The very best players were in
the amateurs, that's why the best of them eg Laver & Court won calendar
slams in open era.

Whisper

2021-03-03 21:14:05 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played
tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

LOL, that's such a lame response. Hey, look here--Navratilova says,
"Serena Williams’ GOAT Status Is Up For Debate." And Martina has won
more than either McEnroe or Evert, so how can she be wrong? Eeek!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/24/serena-williams-goat-status-is-up-for-debate-says-martina-navratilova/?sh=6fa8e0ae3c66
Fact is, we've seen former champions all over the board in their
opinions evaluating the same players in relative greatness. Sometimes
they even vacillate in their OWN assessments from month to month
depending on how the wind is blowing. McEnroe and Evert are notorious
for this kind of thing.
Adding the "social consciousness" factor into to the mix, one should
take their on-the-record opinions with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

    Your response is lamer.
    Peak Serena would destroy peak Court. In an effort to discredit
Serena, people are desperately looking into the stone ages of tennis,
when they played with wooden rackets, and had ZERO PRIZE MONEY FOR
SLAMS, and in which many tournaments only had men's draws.
    How can a tournament attract the best tennis talent, if they
don't have any prize money?

Read some tennis history. Trust me it will help you get a better
appreciation of the game. You're a textbook ceibs type.

Whisper

2021-03-03 21:19:02 UTC

    Your response is lamer.
    Peak Serena would destroy peak Court. In an effort to discredit
Serena, people are desperately looking into the stone ages of tennis,
when they played with wooden rackets, and had ZERO PRIZE MONEY FOR
SLAMS, and in which many tournaments only had men's draws.
    How can a tournament attract the best tennis talent, if they
don't have any prize money?

You don't seem to understand the world was very different 50 yrs ago.
Amateur tennis was considered the pinnacle as you were playing for
mastery of the sport, your country, to qualify for Davis Cup which is
highest honor etc, not a dodgy pro (think Bobby Riggs type) who 'goes
through the motions' simply because it's a job & for the money. The
best players were in the amateurs & only jumped ship to the pros after
they have proven their worth & to maximize income.

*skriptis

2021-03-03 21:22:19 UTC

On 4/03/2021 4:48 am, Garvin Yee wrote:> On 3/3/2021 9:35 AM, Gracchus wrote:>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 6:26:01 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:>>> > Your response is lamer.> > Peak Serena would destroy peak Court. In an effort to discredit > Serena, people are desperately looking into the stone ages of tennis, > when they played with wooden rackets, and had ZERO PRIZE MONEY FOR > SLAMS, and in which many tournaments only had men's draws.> > How can a tournament attract the best tennis talent, if they> don't have any prize money?> You don't seem to understand the world was very different 50 yrs ago. Amateur tennis was considered the pinnacle as you were playing for mastery of the sport, your country, to qualify for Davis Cup which is highest honor etc, not a dodgy pro (think Bobby Riggs type) who 'goes through the motions' simply because it's a job & for the money. The best players were in the amateurs & only jumped ship to the pros after they have proven their worth & to maximize income.

Modern top pros earn more by playing in ATP 500s than even in slams, arguably.

Those ATP 500s are not mandatory, and the appearance fees are in millions.

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Whisper

2021-03-03 21:24:42 UTC

Modern top pros earn more by playing in ATP 500s than even in slams, arguably.
Those ATP 500s are not mandatory, and the appearance fees are in millions.

Yes, Nadal pulled out of Acapulco because they couldn't afford his 1
mil$ appearance fee

Whisper

2021-03-03 21:08:11 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for the
Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever played
tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

Garvin Yee

2021-03-04 14:09:26 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?

Talk about deluded!

:/

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The Iceberg

2021-03-04 15:00:38 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

Pelle Svanslös

2021-03-04 15:36:38 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

Emerson is the perfect argument why slams from his era aren't
comparable. Besides, nobody knew who he was. Sampras invented the slam
chase and just dug somebody up from the history books to make people
think there was a chase going on.

--
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-- Suzanne Lenglen

*skriptis

2021-03-04 15:58:24 UTC

On 4.3.2021 17.00, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 14:09:27 UTC, Garvin Yee wrote:>> On 3/3/2021 2:08 PM, Whisper wrote:>>> On 4/03/2021 1:26 am, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote:>>>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>>>> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck selling that idea : )>>>>>> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many!>>>>>>>>>>> From Forbes:>>>>>>>>>>> "ESPNâs John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams>>>>>> the GOAT.>>>>>>>>>>> âI think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,â>>>>>> McEnroe said in 2015. âMan or woman. She's the greatest female player>>>>>> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over.">>>>>>>>>>> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.>>>>>>>>>> LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to>>>>> woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for>>>>> the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her>>>>> opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit>>>>> analysts.>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever>>>> played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's>>>> not>>>> "legit" enough for you, then you need help!>>>>>>>> :/>>>>>>>>>> You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?>> So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?>>>> Talk about deluded!> > hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?Emerson is the perfect argument why slams from his era aren't comparable. Besides, nobody knew who he was. Sampras invented the slam chase and just dug somebody up from the history books to make people think there was a chase going on.-- "Cough cough"-- Suzanne Lenglen

I think the undisputed goat is the one holding all of these 4 golden categories simultaneously and we won't see that anytime soon:

â¢ 7543 king (Federer)
â¢ slam king (Federer/Nadal)
â¢ YEâ1 king (Gonzales)
â¢ CYGS king (Laver)

The other categories which also propel you to tier 1, but do not necessarily make you goat are:

â¢ Wim, USO, FO, AO records
â¢ CGS record
â¢ holding all 4 slams

Additionally for the purpose of tiebreakers we might consider:

â¢ most titles
â¢ most weeks at #1
â¢ doubles career

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Whisper

2021-03-04 22:29:27 UTC

On 4.3.2021 17.00, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 14:09:27 UTC, Garvin Yee wrote:>> On 3/3/2021 2:08 PM, Whisper wrote:>>> On 4/03/2021 1:26 am, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote:>>>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>>>> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck selling that idea : )>>>>>> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many!>>>>>>>>>>> From Forbes:>>>>>>>>>>> "ESPN’s John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams>>>>>> the GOAT.>>>>>>>>>>> “I think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,”>>>>>> McEnroe said in 2015. “Man or woman. She's the greatest female player>>>>>> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over.">>>>>>>>>>> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.>>>>>>>>>> LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to>>>>> woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for>>>>> the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her>>>>> opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit>>>>> analysts.>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever>>>> played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's>>>> not>>>> "legit" enough for you, then you need help!>>>>>>>> :/>>>>>>>>>> You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?>> So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?>>>> Talk about deluded!> > hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?Emerson is the perfect argument why slams from his era aren't comparable. Besides, nobody knew who he was. Sampras invented the slam chase and just dug somebody up from the history books to make people think there was a chase going on.-- "Cough cough"-- Suzanne Lenglen

• 7543 king (Federer)
• slam king (Federer/Nadal)
• YE№1 king (Gonzales)
• CYGS king (Laver)
• Wim, USO, FO, AO records
• CGS record
• holding all 4 slams
• most titles
• most weeks at #1
• doubles career

Undisputed goat would be something like 5 calendar slams and maybe close
to perfect 100% match winning rate over many yrs. That's probably
impossible as players don't really raise their level in a vacuum, need
to be pushed by other greats incrementally raising the bar, which means
losses along the way with periods of dominance. Fed/Rafa/Djoker would
prob all be lesser players if they weren't around to push each other.
Evert & MN had that dynamic going on. That's why I feel Sampras would
have been better still with these 3 on the scene as they'd force him to
keep raising his game rather than just cruising '1 break per set' mode
because he could get away with it.

When you listen to Sampras, Fed, Rafa, Djoker talk they usually say 'who
knows who goat is, just happy to be mentioned in same group'. In fact
most past greats make similar comments. They know arguments go back and
forth for decades & are aware of the different conditions across eras,
so happy to have people include them & argue their case. When I think
of goats/boats these are the guys that come to mind;

Tilden, Pancho, Budge, Hoad, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, McEnroe, Sampras,
Federer, Nadal, Djokovic.

Maybe stretch it a little to include Connors, Lendl & Emerson, but these
guys prob a rung short of being the best at their best.

There is always a ceibs bias in analysis, but pretty soon Fed/Rafa/Djoke
will pass into history like the other guys.

Who do you pick to play for your life? Hard to say. You could make a
case for any of these guys at respective peaks. I guess that's why they
are all happy to just be good enough to be in the conversation : )

For me the most unbeatable & unbelievable record is Nadal at FO.
Winning 13 FO easily (never pushed to 5 sets in finals, & only twice in
any round), while thoroughly dominating 2 tier 1 goats at FO is off the
charts. If you had to pick 1 guy to play for you and you could choose
any slam, then has to be Rafa at FO. Laver & Nadal prob stand out as
the top 2 goat level achievements. There is a chance Laver record will
be matched 1 day & someone may win 2 calendar slams again (just need a
brilliant player firing for a few yrs with no clear rivals), but Nadal
FO record is the safest record in any spo

Gerrit 't Hart

2021-03-05 06:36:38 UTC

For me the most unbeatable & unbelievable record is Nadal at FO. Winning
13 FO easily (never pushed to 5 sets in finals, & only twice in any
round), while thoroughly dominating 2 tier 1 goats at FO is off the
charts. If you had to pick 1 guy to play for you and you could choose
any slam, then has to be Rafa at FO. Laver & Nadal prob stand out as
the top 2 goat level achievements. There is a chance Laver record will
be matched 1 day & someone may win 2 calendar slams again (just need a
brilliant player firing for a few yrs with no clear rivals), but Nadal
FO record is the safest record in any sport let alone tennis - & he's
not done yet.

" Nadal FO record is the safest record in any sport let alone tennis"
What about Heather McKay's 16 consecutive British Opens? :-)

The Iceberg

2021-03-05 10:38:33 UTC

" Nadal FO record is the safest record in any sport let alone tennis"
What about Heather McKay's 16 consecutive British Opens? :-)

EXACTLY very good point! :D

Whisper

2021-03-05 13:59:44 UTC

Post by Whisper
For me the most unbeatable & unbelievable record is Nadal at FO.
Winning 13 FO easily (never pushed to 5 sets in finals, & only twice
in any round), while thoroughly dominating 2 tier 1 goats at FO is off
the charts. If you had to pick 1 guy to play for you and you could
choose any slam, then has to be Rafa at FO. Laver & Nadal prob stand
out as the top 2 goat level achievements. There is a chance Laver
record will be matched 1 day & someone may win 2 calendar slams again
(just need a brilliant player firing for a few yrs with no clear
rivals), but Nadal FO record is the safest record in any sport let
alone tennis - & he's not done yet.

" Nadal FO record is the safest record in any sport let alone tennis"
What about Heather McKay's 16 consecutive British Opens? :-)

I'm talking tier 1 world sports, not niche like darts, squash etc

Whisper

2021-03-04 22:02:09 UTC

Post by Whisper
You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

You give Pete too much credit : )

The Iceberg

2021-03-05 10:29:54 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

yes we know you have about the same level of tennis knowledge as Garwin, you keep telling us peak Sampras would be struggling just below Goffin level these days.

Pelle Svanslös

2021-03-05 11:29:40 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

yes we know you have about the same level of tennis knowledge as Garwin, you keep telling us peak Sampras would be struggling just below Goffin level these days.

But Sampras did invent the slam chase!

--
"Cough cough"
-- Suzanne Lenglen

The Iceberg

2021-03-05 11:35:38 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

yes we know you have about the same level of tennis knowledge as Garwin, you keep telling us peak Sampras would be struggling just below Goffin level these days.

But Sampras did invent the slam chase!

yes he did, I invented saying that! apparently though jd says I not one of the "decent folks" though :'-(

*skriptis

2021-03-05 11:40:09 UTC

On Friday, 5 March 2021 at 11:29:43 UTC, Pelle SvanslÃ¶s wrote:> On 5.3.2021 12.29, The Iceberg wrote: > > On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 15:36:41 UTC, Pelle SvanslÃ¶s wrote: > >> On 4.3.2021 17.00, The Iceberg wrote: > >>> On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 14:09:27 UTC, Garvin Yee wrote: > >>>> On 3/3/2021 2:08 PM, Whisper wrote: > >>>>> On 4/03/2021 1:26 am, Garvin Yee wrote: > >>>>>> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote: > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Good luck selling that idea : ) > >>>>>>>> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From Forbes: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "ESPNâs John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams > >>>>>>>> the GOAT. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> âI think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,â > >>>>>>>> McEnroe said in 2015. âMan or woman. She's the greatest female player > >>>>>>>> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to > >>>>>>> woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for > >>>>>>> the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her > >>>>>>> opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit > >>>>>>> analysts. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever > >>>>>> played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's > >>>>>> not > >>>>>> "legit" enough for you, then you need help! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> :/ > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game? > >>>> So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert? > >>>> > >>>> Talk about deluded! > >>> > >>> hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams? > >> Emerson is the perfect argument why slams from his era aren't > >> comparable. Besides, nobody knew who he was. Sampras invented the slam > >> chase and just dug somebody up from the history books to make people > >> think there was a chase going on. > > > > yes we know you have about the same level of tennis knowledge as Garwin, you keep telling us peak Sampras would be struggling just below Goffin level these days. > >> But Sampras did invent the slam chase!yes he did, I invented saying that! apparently though jd says I not one of the "decent folks" though :'-(

Even worse, a mean-spirited little cunt. ;))

He is such a tolerant and polite dude otoh. ð

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Pelle Svanslös

2021-03-05 11:45:58 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's
not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!

hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?

yes we know you have about the same level of tennis knowledge as Garwin, you keep telling us peak Sampras would be struggling just below Goffin level these days.

But Sampras did invent the slam chase!

yes he did, I invented saying that!

Then he had to invent who he chased, no? It's airtight. It's a fake chase.

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-- Suzanne Lenglen

*skriptis

2021-03-05 12:02:20 UTC

On 5.3.2021 13.35, The Iceberg wrote:> On Friday, 5 March 2021 at 11:29:43 UTC, Pelle SvanslÃ¶s wrote:>> On 5.3.2021 12.29, The Iceberg wrote:>>> On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 15:36:41 UTC, Pelle SvanslÃ¶s wrote:>>>> On 4.3.2021 17.00, The Iceberg wrote:>>>>> On Thursday, 4 March 2021 at 14:09:27 UTC, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>>>> On 3/3/2021 2:08 PM, Whisper wrote:>>>>>>> On 4/03/2021 1:26 am, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2021 10:13 AM, Gracchus wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 5:14:50 AM UTC-8, Garvin Yee wrote:>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2021 3:19 AM, Whisper wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck selling that idea : )>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to sell it, it's already accepted by many!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Forbes:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ESPNâs John McEnroe and Evert are among those to call Williams>>>>>>>>>> the GOAT.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> âI think Serena is one of the all-time greatest athletes, period,â>>>>>>>>>> McEnroe said in 2015. âMan or woman. She's the greatest female player>>>>>>>>>> I've ever seen. She's proven it to me over and over.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evert has said the same, albeit hedging a bit.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to>>>>>>>>> woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for>>>>>>>>> the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her>>>>>>>>> opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit>>>>>>>>> analysts.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever>>>>>>>> played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If that's>>>>>>>> not>>>>>>>> "legit" enough for you, then you need help!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?>>>>>> So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?>>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about deluded!>>>>>>>>>> hey millenial boy, was Sampras deluded for chasing Emmerson's ZERO open-era slams?>>>> Emerson is the perfect argument why slams from his era aren't>>>> comparable. Besides, nobody knew who he was. Sampras invented the slam>>>> chase and just dug somebody up from the history books to make people>>>> think there was a chase going on.>>>>>> yes we know you have about the same level of tennis knowledge as Garwin, you keep telling us peak Sampras would be struggling just below Goffin level these days.>>>>> But Sampras did invent the slam chase!> > yes he did, I invented saying that! Then he had to invent who he chased, no? It's airtight. It's a fake chase.-- "Cough cough"-- Suzanne Lenglen

There's nothing fake about it.

He won more Wimbledon and USO than anyone in history before him, which was "the real thing" anyway, but and wanted also to get an all-time slam record for a good measure.

Sadly he had no one to push him and he miscalculated a bit or perhaps it was the pundits who miscalculated by claiming his 14 slams would stay as record forever.

Great players easily win 5+ titles at a slam. E.g. those are numbers he himself achieved at Wim/USO. But there are 4 slams, no? Simple math says 20+ is an expected outcome for truly great players with long careers.

You could even say Sampras wasn't playing in fully modern era. 1990s clay was too different from the rest of the tour and AO was only emerging as fully equal slam.

He's basically at up to 95% of Federer's achievements at Wim/USO/YEC/YEâ1 despite playing 7 fewer years.

(I'm not counting 2020 and 2021 for Federer).

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Whisper

2021-03-04 15:00:52 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If
that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

    So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
    Talk about deluded!
    :/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

Garvin Yee

2021-03-04 19:56:26 UTC

Post by Whisper
Good luck selling that idea : )

LOL, same two who defended Serena's 2018 USO tantrums to suck up to
woke folk. Evert especially is an embarrassment, like a PR rep for
the Williams family, openly rooting for Serena and wishing for her
opponents' collapse. Seriously, come back when you have some legit
analysts.

That's the opinions of two of the greatest players who ever
played tennis. They know the game better than anyone else. If
that's not
"legit" enough for you, then you need help!
:/

You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

     So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
     Talk about deluded!
     :/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

"Best" would be subjective, but the lady was GOOD!

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Whisper

2021-03-04 22:35:25 UTC

Post by Whisper
You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

     So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
     Talk about deluded!
     :/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

"Best" would be subjective, but the lady was GOOD!
http://youtu.be/ms5czv_hCwQ

She sure was. Henin defeated Serena at 2007 FO, wim & USO, grass, clay
& hardcourt.

Garvin Yee

2021-03-04 23:05:20 UTC

Post by Whisper
You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

     So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
     Talk about deluded!
     :/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

"Best" would be subjective, but the lady was GOOD!
http://youtu.be/ms5czv_hCwQ

She sure was. Henin defeated Serena at 2007 FO, wim & USO, grass, clay
& hardcourt.
http://youtu.be/CKRFq6ogFlw

Serena is ahead 8-6 versus Henin:

https://www.wtatennis.com/head-to-head/230234/80350

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Gracchus

2021-03-04 23:22:28 UTC

Post by Whisper
You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!
:/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

"Best" would be subjective, but the lady was GOOD!
http://youtu.be/ms5czv_hCwQ

She sure was. Henin defeated Serena at 2007 FO, wim & USO, grass, clay
& hardcourt.
http://youtu.be/CKRFq6ogFlw

https://www.wtatennis.com/head-to-head/230234/80350

Oooh! Scary dominance!

Garvin Yee

2021-03-05 01:21:50 UTC

Post by Whisper
You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!
:/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

"Best" would be subjective, but the lady was GOOD!
http://youtu.be/ms5czv_hCwQ

She sure was. Henin defeated Serena at 2007 FO, wim & USO, grass, clay
& hardcourt.
http://youtu.be/CKRFq6ogFlw

https://www.wtatennis.com/head-to-head/230234/80350

Oooh! Scary dominance!

I never said that, but someone has to be
objective with all you Serena-Haters out there!

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The Iceberg

2021-03-04 23:38:51 UTC

Post by Whisper
You must be very young to be so naive, or very new to the game?

So you think you know more about tennis than McEnroe and Evert?
Talk about deluded!
:/

McEnroe said Henin has the best backhand of all time, better than any
man. What thinks you?

"Best" would be subjective, but the lady was GOOD!
http://youtu.be/ms5czv_hCwQ

She sure was. Henin defeated Serena at 2007 FO, wim & USO, grass, clay
& hardcourt.
http://youtu.be/CKRFq6ogFlw

https://www.wtatennis.com/head-to-head/230234/80350

Garwin doesn't reply to me cos I called him racist a while ago and that upset him, but keep on asking:
if Serena is GOAT and would thrash everyone "at peak", why when she was "at peak" didn't she get anywhere near a Golden Slam? somebody ALWAYS beat her even though she was somehow unbeatable?

jdeluise

2021-03-05 09:27:36 UTC

Post by The Iceberg
Garwin doesn't reply to me cos I called him racist

It could be that your writing has become increasingly erratic and
incoherent in recent years. You belly laugh at the same dumb jokes
you've told daily for the last 3 weeks straight, each time as though it
was the first. Because of this whenever I read your posts I get the
distinct impression I'm watching some poor chav's slow-motion descent
into hardcore drugs and booze.

I'd probably feel sorry for you but then I remember on the rare occasion
you're actually clean or sober you're nothing more than a mean-spirited
little cunt. A nasty little shit whose main accomplishment in this
newsgroup (and likely life itself) has been driving decent folks like
Sakari away with relentless bullying, badgering and harassment. Frankly
the day you leave this newsgroup will be a day to celebrate, let's hope
you do it soon!

Other than that you're an alright guy I guess, I don't know why Garvin
would be ignoring you.

*skriptis

2021-03-05 10:29:07 UTC

If you get "chased away" from here, it speaks more about you.

Just stand up for yourself if you have anything to say. I guess if you don't have anything to say you'd be more likely to leave.

I haven't followed their feud, I never disliked Sakari but then again, I never liked him either. But I don't trust people who feel Clijsters is hotter than Hingis. Maybe if he had said cuter I could go along with that?

Anyway, yeah, I'm not sure what happened between the two, but I believe iceberg was lecturing him on something and Sakari couldn't take it, too much pride?

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The Iceberg

2021-03-05 11:33:53 UTC

sadly jd's really bitter and upset cos I keep exposing his thicko wrong politics and voting! he can't justify or answer my questions about war-monger Biden or about defunding of police in Alaska and as he can't answer he just gets more and more angry and then EXPLODES like above!

If only we were leftists jd might let us off, as he NEVER ever criticises anything Raja says, no matter how racist or wrong or Pelle's endless fake news anti-Trump trash posts or his socks Hunter's laptop etc. maybe they are "good folks"?

Post by *skriptis
I haven't followed their feud, I never disliked Sakari but then again, I never liked him either. But I don't trust people who feel Clijsters is hotter than Hingis. Maybe if he had said cuter I could go along with that?
Anyway, yeah, I'm not sure what happened between the two, but I believe iceberg was lecturing him on something and Sakari couldn't take it, too much pride?

well Sakari was a total soy boy and am no fan of Kim Klijsters, but that was all fine!! :D it was the git trying to pretend he was a "long-time" Djoker fan just to be cool/woke, when he 100% wasn't! journo-types often try this kind of rubbish and so they need maximum exposing! just like Bad News Brian denying being a Hillary Fan, after posting 100's of pro-Hillary threads. Joe Ramirez even had to admit Sakari lied just like how Gracchus pointed out to Brian he was definitely a Hillary fan! :D
Whisper said it best "Sakari is welcome to come back maybe once his tennis knowledge gets a bit better".

P.S.yes, Patrick used to try denying being a 100% Fed-biased poster too until the day he exploded and said "FEDERER IS TENNIS!" but at least he always was/is a good guy and funny with it!

*skriptis

2021-03-05 11:38:31 UTC

So much insight. Thx. ð

So what about Pelle = Sakari? True?

Both Finnish, soys and appreciative of Djokovic?

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jdeluise

2021-03-05 12:42:52 UTC

Post by The Iceberg
If only we were leftists jd might let us off, as he NEVER ever
criticises anything Raja says, no matter how racist or wrong or
Pelle's endless fake news anti-Trump trash posts or his socks Hunter's
laptop etc. maybe they are "good folks"?

Awwww, Icey is jealous of Raja yet again! :) Raja has got ALL the things
Icey doesn't and it just makes him so gosh darn mad he just can't take
it so he lashes out on rst! eg. Raja's gainfully employed, he's married
and seems to have a good relationship with her, has kids, has side
interests outside of rst, knows how to spell "because", etc.

Meanwhile the best thing Icey can remember was when he used the broken
plunger from the public toilets he raided last weekend to cook the
remains of a dead alleycat over a burning barrel adjacent to the toppled
bus he calls "home".

The Iceberg

2021-03-05 14:42:46 UTC

oh so this why you suck up to Raja so much, he's your hero! that's really messed up considering his level of dumbness, but least it does explain why you vote Democrat! you must switch from Raja to Trump, he's way better, a billionaire, beautiful wife, clever(degree not from Bangalore Online University), nice family, World Famous, #1 TV show, President, ohhhh sorry he beat your Hillary didn't he, doh!

Post by jdeluise
Meanwhile the best thing Icey can remember was when he used the broken
plunger from the public toilets he raided last weekend to cook the
remains of a dead alleycat over a burning barrel adjacent to the toppled
bus he calls "home".

#hurtful #crying :'-(

P.S.most public toilets are closed in London + leave my cat alone!

Max's Hoemom

2021-03-05 18:57:49 UTC

He seems to be obsessed with me.

LOL. that was hilarious.

jdeluise

2021-03-05 12:09:53 UTC

to me cos I called him racistIt could be that your writing has become
increasingly erratic andincoherent in recent years. You belly laugh
at the same dumb jokesyou've told daily for the last 3 weeks straight,
each time as though itwas the first. Because of this whenever I read
your posts I get thedistinct impression I'm watching some poor chav's
slow-motion descentinto hardcore drugs and booze.I'd probably feel
sorry for you but then I remember on the rare occasionyou're actually
clean or sober you're nothing more than a mean-spiritedlittle cunt. A
nasty little shit whose main accomplishment in thisnewsgroup (and
likely life itself) has been driving decent folks likeSakari away with
relentless bullying, badgering and harassment. Franklythe day you
leave this newsgroup will be a day to celebrate, let's hopeyou do it
soon!Other than that you're an alright guy I guess, I don't know why
Garvinwould be ignoring you.
If you get "chased away" from here, it speaks more about you.
Just stand up for yourself if you have anything to say. I guess if you
don't have anything to say you'd be more likely to leave.

He probably didn't want his public persona intermingled with some dumb
Brit with a big red nose and a nice checkerboard of teeth in his mouth.
A guy who crawls out of the gutter long enough each day to drain his
failing bladder and sneak into the last remaining internet cafe in
london to post on rst. Can't say I blame him.

I haven't followed their feud, I never disliked Sakari but then again,
I never liked him either. But I don't trust people who feel Clijsters
is hotter than Hingis. Maybe if he had said cuter I could go along
with that?

Did he really say "hotter"? Somehow that doesn't sound like anything
Sakari would say. I could have sworn he clarified his position on her
attractiveness and it was hardly as clear as you've portrayed it.

Paraphrasing here, what I remember him saying was that he didn't exactly
think Clijsters was objectively extremely physically attractive but that
she had certain intangible, magnetic quality that he couldn't ignore.

That being said Clijsters definitely comes across as a much more genuine
and happy person than Henin to me. Conversely, Henin seems very
introverted and calculating, almost to the point of neurosis. If their
public face is an accurate reflection of their private lives I'd
definitely say Clijsters is more attractive than Henin.

I see Clijsters just got a wildcard for a couple US tournaments. Let's
hope Sakari posts a little bit about it :)

Anyway, yeah, I'm not sure what happened between the two, but I
believe iceberg was lecturing him on something and Sakari couldn't
take it, too much pride?

No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of Djokovic
among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

*skriptis

2021-03-05 12:22:23 UTC

No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of Djokovic among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

So he left because of that?
It doesn't sound convincing.

E.g. wax accused soccerfanny of faking his Graf fanhood and he didn't leave. Nothing happened. Why did Sakari really leave?

And Hingis, not Henin. And yeah, I agree Clijsters seems cutish and joyful. But Hingis tops almost everyone who ever played.

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jdeluise

2021-03-05 12:52:31 UTC

Post by jdeluise
No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of
Djokovic among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

So he left because of that? It doesn't sound convincing.
E.g. wax accused soccerfanny of faking his Graf fanhood and he didn't
leave. Nothing happened. Why did Sakari really leave?
And Hingis, not Henin. And yeah, I agree Clijsters seems cutish and
joyful. But Hingis tops almost everyone who ever played.

Ahh, oops! But Hingis isn't my type either.

*skriptis

2021-03-05 12:57:32 UTC

You're a weird one that's for sure.

Who doesn't like Hingis?

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The Iceberg

2021-03-05 14:31:14 UTC

Post by *skriptis
You're a weird one that's for sure.
Who doesn't like Hingis?

jd much prefers Hillary and Klijsters types! LOL

Whisper

2021-03-05 14:34:27 UTC

Post by *skriptis
You're a weird one that's for sure.
Who doesn't like Hingis?

Arguably hottest female player ever - certainly cutest no.1 right?

Whisper

2021-03-05 14:33:21 UTC

Post by jdeluise
No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of
Djokovic among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

So he left because of that? It doesn't sound convincing.
E.g. wax accused soccerfanny of faking his Graf fanhood and he didn't
leave. Nothing happened. Why did Sakari really leave?
And Hingis, not Henin. And yeah, I agree Clijsters seems cutish and
joyful. But Hingis tops almost everyone who ever played.

Ahh, oops! But Hingis isn't my type either.

I think she's everyone's type;

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The Iceberg

2021-03-05 14:47:03 UTC

Post by jdeluise
No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of
Djokovic among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

So he left because of that? It doesn't sound convincing.
E.g. wax accused soccerfanny of faking his Graf fanhood and he didn't
leave. Nothing happened. Why did Sakari really leave?
And Hingis, not Henin. And yeah, I agree Clijsters seems cutish and
joyful. But Hingis tops almost everyone who ever played.

Ahh, oops! But Hingis isn't my type either.

I think she's everyone's type;
https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/20321587/740full-martina-hingis.jpg
https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/3417565/1118full-martina-hingis.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N9npM1cxM4I/TeovrmBwdII/AAAAAAAAAlI/D51vpSkz2Ag/s1600/Martina+Hingis.jpg
https://i1.wp.com/www.ozzienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Martina-has-got-a-hungry-bum.jpg?resize=413%2C550
https://images.uncyc.org/commons/6/66/Hingis_bike.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lWnJEx1aTgA/SiSbrZ-z-YI/AAAAAAAAB9Q/EPZ2Rq79Xzo/s400/Martina+Hingis-1.jpg
http://sixmeatbuffet.com/images/tennis/martina4.jpg
https://i.skyrock.net/6755/66876755/pics/3012466695_1_3_Bwlkt8CK.jpg

this is like a "beyond Tier 1" level post! :D

Garvin Yee

2021-03-05 16:22:46 UTC

Post by jdeluise
No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of
Djokovic among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

So he left because of that? It doesn't sound convincing.
E.g. wax accused soccerfanny of faking his Graf fanhood and he didn't
leave. Nothing happened. Why did Sakari really leave?
And Hingis, not Henin. And yeah, I agree Clijsters seems cutish and
joyful. But Hingis tops almost everyone who ever played.

Ahh, oops! But Hingis isn't my type either.

She has an impressive record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martina_Hingis

Almost a calendar-year Grand Slam in 1997! That
must have been an incredible year for her.

But then she loses 5 Slam Finals in a row....that's
gotta hurt!

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Whisper

2021-03-05 14:23:31 UTC

No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of Djokovic among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

So he left because of that?
It doesn't sound convincing.

I think he writes about sport/tennis for a living & came here to get
some insights because his knowledge wasn't very good. I kept telling
him how superior Henin was in every conceivable way & he just didn't get
it. I couldn't believe his ignorance. He got jaded after Henin just kept
beating her & piling up slams, accused me & others of trolling &
probably got some kind of depression. I think he just lurked after that
to pick up some interesting tennis ideas for his job, but figured no
point posting as he realized he really didn't understand the game that
well. I respect him for that.

*skriptis

2021-03-05 14:25:35 UTC

Yeah I get that. If everyone who was clueless stopped posting it would be better place.

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Whisper

2021-03-05 14:37:01 UTC

Post by *skriptis
Yeah I get that. If everyone who was clueless stopped posting it would be better place.

Yes, just lurk & learn until they gain some knowledge.

The Iceberg

2021-03-05 14:29:56 UTC

Did he really say "hotter"? Somehow that doesn't sound like anything
Sakari would say. I could have sworn he clarified his position on her
attractiveness and it was hardly as clear as you've portrayed it.
Paraphrasing here, what I remember him saying was that he didn't exactly
think Clijsters was objectively extremely physically attractive but that
she had certain intangible, magnetic quality that he couldn't ignore.
That being said Clijsters definitely comes across as a much more genuine
and happy person than Henin to me. Conversely, Henin seems very
introverted and calculating, almost to the point of neurosis. If their
public face is an accurate reflection of their private lives I'd
definitely say Clijsters is more attractive than Henin.
I see Clijsters just got a wildcard for a couple US tournaments. Let's
hope Sakari posts a little bit about it :)

Anyway, yeah, I'm not sure what happened between the two, but I
believe iceberg was lecturing him on something and Sakari couldn't
take it, too much pride?

No, he relentlessly accused Sakari of "faking" his fanhood of Djokovic
among other things. Ice just made it up out of thin air.

jd is very drunk and still upset about my comments about him voting for his war-monger hero Joe Biden and now it turns out he really loves not just Hillary Clinton, but also Kim Klijsters as well whom he finds very very attractive! amazing taste!

Whisper

2021-03-05 14:09:15 UTC

Post by *skriptis
If you get "chased away" from here, it speaks more about you.
Just stand up for yourself if you have anything to say. I guess if you don't have anything to say you'd be more likely to leave.
I haven't followed their feud, I never disliked Sakari but then again, I never liked him either. But I don't trust people who feel Clijsters is hotter than Hingis. Maybe if he had said cuter I could go along with that?
Anyway, yeah, I'm not sure what happened between the two, but I believe iceberg was lecturing him on something and Sakari couldn't take it, too much pride?

I only recall the disagreements I had with Sakari, which were mainly
around his misguided idea that Clijsters was better than Henin and she
only lost because she 'didn't play her best'. It was almost as if he
was related to Kim in some way, why else would you be so adamant Kim was
better? That's pretty dumb. I don't trust anyone with that kind of
tennis judgment.

Hingis is way cuter & ho

The Iceberg

2021-03-05 11:12:36 UTC

Post by The Iceberg
Garwin doesn't reply to me cos I called him racist

It could be that your writing has become increasingly erratic and
incoherent in recent years. You belly laugh at the same dumb jokes
you've told daily for the last 3 weeks straight, each time as though it
was the first. Because of this whenever I read your posts I get the
distinct impression I'm watching some poor chav's slow-motion descent
into hardcore drugs and booze.
I'd probably feel sorry for you but then I remember on the rare occasion
you're actually clean or sober you're nothing more than a mean-spirited
little cunt. A nasty little shit whose main accomplishment in this
newsgroup (and likely life itself) has been driving decent folks like
Sakari away with relentless bullying, badgering and harassment. Frankly
the day you leave this newsgroup will be a day to celebrate, let's hope
you do it soon!
Other than that you're an alright guy I guess, I don't know why Garvin
would be ignoring you.

oooooo thanks jd, that's more like it! good to show us some of your true "caring" leftist self and the nice language you regularly use! dunno how much Alaskan whiskey must've drunk to finally post this but it good that you did in a way! jd you really should just admit you've always voted Democrat and are programmed that way and that's the real/only reason you voted for that war-monger Biden, then everyone would be happy! LOL

Whisper

2021-03-05 14:01:24 UTC

Post by The Iceberg
Garwin doesn't reply to me cos I called him racist

It could be that your writing has become increasingly erratic and
incoherent in recent years. You belly laugh at the same dumb jokes
you've told daily for the last 3 weeks straight, each time as though it
was the first. Because of this whenever I read your posts I get the
distinct impression I'm watching some poor chav's slow-motion descent
into hardcore drugs and booze.
I'd probably feel sorry for you but then I remember on the rare occasion
you're actually clean or sober you're nothing more than a mean-spirited
little cunt. A nasty little shit whose main accomplishment in this
newsgroup (and likely life itself) has been driving decent folks like
Sakari away with relentless bullying, badgering and harassment. Frankly
the day you leave this newsgroup will be a day to celebrate, let's hope
you do it soon!
Other than that you're an alright guy I guess, I don't know why Garvin
would be ignoring you.

Don't be coy - tell him what you really think.

jdeluise

2021-03-05 08:20:23 UTC

Post by Garvin Yee
https://www.wtatennis.com/head-to-head/230234/80350

SHHHH, nobody mention the Henin "hand incident" against Serena.. Garvin
will be writing about it for the next month if he finds out about this! :)

2021-03-05 14:45:44 UTC